@Jackson350z youre so fucking stupid. idk how u cant understand that u cant survive and outreach in a capitalistic society without contributing. if he wanted to outreach without contributing he would be fucking homeless.
As a former infantryman paratrooper myself, Trainwrecks makes me embarrassed to be a veteran. Destiny and Hassan dunked him so hard that it broke his brain. The changes socialists advocate for would by their very nature affect them as well. If Destiny / Hassan advocated for a top marginal income of 90% for all income over 1 million dollars, and Destiny/Hassan made 2 million dollars in a year, they would be subject to those tax rates. "Practice what you preach". They appear to be preaching for systemic changes that they themselves would be subject to. fml listening to this gave me aids.
This is not true. Hasan has regularly advocated for redistribution of wealth of people much wealthier than him. He often cites how scandinavian countries have more billionaires and millionaires than the U.S. and sees no problem with it. He arbitrarily draws the line at people like bezos or elon, conveniently ppl much wealrhier than him. Perhaps he did not used to feel this way but i doubt it
@@Luke-lp9ff This is a moronic statement and not true. He advocates for things that would obviously include himself. For example m4a would have raised taxes on both people like Hassan and Bezos. Sure some things won't be applicable to Hassan when compared to Bezos. But your take on what has been advocated by Hasan is shit
@@Sanosukeafo very unlikely m4a would do anything to hasans purse considering i dont even think hes in top 1 percent. Ive only heard him advocate for immense wealth redistribution of ppl who are uber rich (ppl richer than him), so its naive to think m4a would make any significant change in his net value. Hasan fans are naive though. If you have a clip of him saying otherwise id love to see it
@@Luke-lp9ff m4a was going to be paid for by a tax increase. Taxes are based on a percentage of income. Hasan can already afford private healthcare that is just based on buying a plan from a private company. Even if it was only a 2 or 3% tax increase to pay for it, 3% of a million dollar income is still way more expensive than what he pays right now. Use your head, kid. Also, top 1% means households that make 500k a year or more. Hasan is in the 1%.
@@John-eh2zc Oh you're actually a dumbfuck. You don't know how much Twitch streamers of his size make. Hint: look at his average subs per month and multiply it by the median tier sub dollar amount. Even on the lowest sub tier, he makes over 1 million. That's excluding ad revenue. Not to mention his RUclips channel ad revenue. Giving a millionaire for doing his job, gtfo Hasan simp.
TRAIN. STOP REPEATING YOURSELF. You sitting there, yelling over top of Destiny and Hasan and just saying the same talking point over and over and over and over and over again without actually engaging ANYTHING that they are providing you, is just the epitome of asinine. You are trying to attack the individuals on a personal level via character assassination instead of making any substantial argument. Your ENTIRE spiel revolves around condemning them as hypocrites. Period. That is literally the totality of everything you have said in this debate. Reasons you are WRONG: 1- The ONLY way your logic would checkout is if the policies they advocate for, such as wealth redistribution, were to be made a reality and THEN they somehow avoided doing that. THAT would mare their reputations, which is what you're attacking here whether you realize it or not, as being hypocrites. 2- Systemic Issues can NOT be resolved from the bottom up. They MUST be corrected via changing the system itself. People who advocate for wealth redistribution giving off a majority of their own income to random poor folks isn't going to do anything substantial to actually FIX the REAL PROBLEMS. Especially when said people you are targeting in particular aren't the ones hording the vast majority of the nation's wealth. This is exactly why I absolute hate regular people being petitioned for charity donations out in public because its always a case of trying to get money for the poor from those who just aren't as poor by comparison. When ONE RICH GUY (Jeff Bezos) has enough wealth to single-handed end major problems like world hunger. 3- The notion of these people choosing randos from their community to give free handouts to is just by default a terrible idea. That is a recipe for disaster. You are essentially trying to tell Destiny and Hasan to create their own version of the lottery. Not only would this backfire in a number of ways but it would also do what the current lotto does, which is distract people from the real problems and solutions. It would also just be another idiotic talking point the Right would use to perpetuate their kicking and screaming about how all Socialism is bad and "the only reason they can do that in the first place is because of Capitalism!" rhetoric.
Look at it this way. Society generally moves away from systems where a few control the majority. In Capitalism, fascism is frowned upon. It's giving control of a few over all of society. People generally see this as a bad thing. In Socialism, Capitalism would be frowned upon because of the same reason. It would allow a few rich and powerful people to control society. A big flaw of capitalism is the skewed distribution of wealth. The rich just get richer and everyone else gets fucked. So of course capitalism would be frowned upon.
@@Avenger222 You are viewing progression on a linear path which is wrong, it fluctuates based on situation and culture. Not-China (PRC) for example tried to move away from a feudal dictatorship and is still very much a dictatorship while the capitalist China (Taiwan) has much more freedoms and rights for the individual, despite BOTH starting from autocracy. One embraced free markets and exchange of ideas while the other turned inwards, the one attempting to transition to the system you advocate for is the one that became objectively less free in comparison to the one moving more into a "regressive ideology" (free market capitalism). That's not to say that the revolutionary process isn't always going to regress back into a form of oligarchy which is probable and even an eventuality in my opinion. My statement is also indicative in how policing ideology is essential in a socialist state, without it you will have people undermining the system and that is going to bubble up into a bureucracy. Policing means you need people to police it, which means you need more resources and arms, the further you go into this the more autocratic your state becomes. Capitalist states are more sensible in allowing this discourse to happen, but that is simply not possible in a socialist society since it would undermine the revolutionary process and be seen as counter-revolutionary. Therefore you can't be a capitalist in a socialist society, or advocate for it, and that is relating to the root of the issue of the revolutionary process as a whole.
@@LetsGoGetThem Your first example helps illustrate what I said, so thanks! That when in a more restrictive society, capitalism is generally the better option. It gives people more opportunities and freedoms. This is also true for socialism vs capitalism. Socialism lets anybody do anything they want to contribute to society and provides them a comfortable wage. This provides people with MORE opportunity and MORE freedoms. People aren't forced to do jobs they don't like while getting paid a meager, often below living wages. Which society in my examples has more freedom? I'm asking you to be really honest with yourself. I'm sure you know the answer, but I *highly* doubt you'd be willing to admit it. Just be honest with yourself, my dude.
@@Avenger222 First of all, no, if you think my point was to illustrate that a capitalist society is _less_ free than a socialist one you are not understanding what I am saying. If your point is that capitalism is restrictive, why do you say that capitalism gives more "opportunities" and "freedoms" (both of which I agree with, which is what makes a capitalist society a free society, not a restrictive one), unless this was supposed to be sarcastic it's kind of arguing for my position. A vanilla tankie will swear up and down that it doesn't, so I am glad you're at least progressive here. Second, you seem to be misunderstanding my criticism of socialist transitional states and why the argument of "you can't be a capitalist in a socialist society" hits at the root of the problems that creates regressive "defunct worker's states", it's the need to police ideology and to ensure loyalty to the revolution for an idea that is inherently flawed, which is that when workers are exposed to the glory that is gommienism they will become ENLIGHTENED and won't ever be self-serving ever again. Dissent as in wanting to create markets, sell your own crop and benefit off of it which creates a divide in those who have much of what people generally want and those who don't undermines the revolution. And third, there has never been any truly socialist countries, they all fail in the transition to one and become dictatorships where the state effectively becomes the capitalist which is not something a free market capitalist would ever condone. So I don't know where you're coming from here. Every "socialist" country socdems bring up are heavily dependent on markets and trade and freely admit they are. Markets, capitalism and trade benefits them, they know it and they don't pretend it doesn't. Also, last I checked I never came into this argument, not even from the start, attacking theory. If you wanted to fall back behind that flimsy excuse of "but socialism is just a bunch of rainbows in this book" then I could do the same excuse for literally every flaw generated by the power of capital without the means to limit it. In reality every socialist project that's tried to transform a state into a socialist one has always failed along the way, and it has every thing to do with the paradoxical situation of trying to empower the worker but also punish those who act "too" independent or have the gall to NOT want to be a socialist country, despite their families starving. I haven't even gotten started on the issue of leftist purity testing too, which was a HUGE ISSUE in almost every revolution that's happened but most significantly in Russia where the left fought each other to a huge degree, contributing to the cycle of centralization and building up of autocracy and bureaucracy.
Terry Carr I didn’t see him take an L the whole podcast. Sorry your favorite far left streamers are hypocrites who don’t practice what they preach. One of the most classic sayings is be the change you want to see in the world. Which they don’t.
Or at the least take your fat ass out of the house and go order the food yourself and eat it at the restaurant. Fast food becomes soggy and gross in under 10 minutes. Wtf do they think is going to happen when you order food with Uber-Eats the damn driver has to pick it up and then drive across town through traffic to bring it to you. Of course it's going to get to you cold and soggy.
@@Sanosukeafo ur a moron if u think people use ubereast and grubhub for only fast food joints. People use them for Actual restaurants who dont have delivery drivers themselves you know that right? or did you believe they were only for Mcdonalds and wendys
Maybe Train isn't the most clever of the team but I feel like he's genuine. He's just afraid that " people in the chat " think he is always on Destiny and Hasan's side.
What if when you die, you relive the exact same life, the exact same way. Like as if you can only relive a memory that you've lived infinitely and that free will is an illusion. And that everyone else from every time period is also reliving their life, completely unaware of it. Kind of gives purpose to infinite alternative universes. That would mean, a terrible life is a hell and a great life is a heaven. But assuming it's true, it would mean you exist in your own universe, but we are still bound by its laws. A universe made for one, like a prison. It also means that what will happen, has already happened and we are just stuck in a point in time. So instead of time being a linear flat line, it's a circle. Like you orbit around time. And time orbits around you.
@@ashy.aquarian There's actually a lot of evidence for this. I've been coming up with a theory. Big Crunch which is the alternative theory that the expansion of the universe reverses eventually and collapses in on itself with another big bang. Then there's the MUH Mathematical Universe Hypothesis, which states that humans are mathematical substructures that only feign free will. Everything starts with language and we are bi-modal. We express gradients between two extremes. Bad or Good. Cold or Hot. But like an X Y axis, there's also a Z axis, that we can't communicate on. That's prior cause, inspiring action. Prior cause then becomes time, as it occurs during a sequence of it. All of this is based on our natural limitations as humans to gravitate towards these bimodal languages and our inability to express our intent without language. We are just interacting clusters of cause driven by prior cause. Emotions fundamental purpose is to correct behavior. Think about it. If you do something right, you get rewarded. Do something bad, you are punished. The assembly of neurons firing at a specific rate is a pattern that is traceable to the big bang. You can always derive an action by a prior cause. Science itself is about harnessing this pattern and its consistencies, to hack together understanding and enhance technological capacity. With this closed loop deterministic system. It means that there's no beginning or end, but a cycle. That there doesn't innately need to be a creator if this cycle is infinite. It just is all that is and ever was. There's a book out there that I really recommend you read, if you're interested in this. It's called Consilience. It is the unification of all science, as the pattern recognition gets better and systems theory unifies all subjects.
Not to advocate for Train because it was also a big yikes from him, but the whole "you dont have a choice" argument in regards to living in a capitalist society coming from Destiny is asinine. You can both choose to live in a country with policies better aligned with socialism and also change your individual lifestyle choices that are within reach to better align to socialism. In any case, we have no problems receiving Hasan in Argentina so he can see how we are doing as a country with many of the policies that he preaches.
I know exactly what you mean. personally, it doesnt bother me much. You know what does though? Doms speech pattern. Listen to him commentate himself playing a game of league. He always ends his sentences with a high pitch. Not sure how to describe it. But idk why im the only one who notices it
Philippe Gauvin i had a highschool teacher that would start speaking low, and then gradually start speaking higher througout the sentence. It was kind of entertaining.
about the conceiving question: Dazzle brought Huskar from the sacred heaven to fight one more time in DOTA2, so if u brought a kid for one life time for a life full of suffering and enjoyment and ur feeling guilty there is some one who did it worse :p
I have to say, train is right in the capitalist argument and this is absolutely set in stone with the recent hasan 3 million dollar house controversy. 2 years after this argument destiny will inadvertently agree with train’s point. it’s kinda gross how everyone just goes after train just cause of what he says is seen as edgy.
Foudilain making up terms to sound smart never makes you sound smart. Outside of that, men and women are anatomically different, and men are generally more visually stimulated. Not exactly sure how a man could manipulate camera angles to get more views. However, I’m sure that if it could be done, someone would be doing it. Not trying to white knight but scarlets top is something I’d see in public.
@@wyatt5167 I know male sexuality is more visually oriented than female sexuality. That doesn't remove from the fact that the female streamers are practically selling their bodies, which is why I call them crypto-prostitutes.
@@korppi164 But in this instance they aren't. You can literally see girls dressed like that if you go outside lol. Actually you can see more if you go outside. Outside of that, most entertainers are selling their bodies in some way. But again, this really isn't scandalous lol
@@baska- Wow, i can't believe you linked that fool. How have you ended up believing such crazy people who come illogical conclusions such as: "democracy is bad because it is public ownership of power, which is ethically unjustifiable and economically destructive compared to "private ownership of power" (monarchy). Public exercise of power is bad because of the time-preference ratios of economic actors." If that doesn't sound crazy to you, then you are truly lost. And yeah I would gladly live in Cuba if I could, but I've got friends and family here so.
Didn’t Venezuela go to shit because the president put all their eggs in on basket? Oil? Also, when you say Europe, are you referring to former USSR countries?
Train: DESTINY YOU'RE THE KING OF INTERRUPTING
Destiny: can i finish my point now? please?
Train: LET ME FINISH DESTINY
Destiny is slimy.
Foudilain ??????????????????????????????
"If you have to justify you're wrong"
- Train
"Does that make sense?"
Tragically ironic with how hard he tries to justify his gambling streams now.
@@tylerjerkovich804 if you don’t like it don’t watch it? you are a grown ass man worry about your own life
Train: slander slander slander
People who call him out: *calls him out
Train: woah dude bias bandwagon hate wtf woah dude
Wooooooooooahhhhhhhhhhhh duuuuuuuuuudddeeeee
sorry boi Yikes
Train can really be a moron sometimes... -_-
lmaoo
you know train is wrong when hasan and destiny agree in something
@Jackson350z youre so fucking stupid. idk how u cant understand that u cant survive and outreach in a capitalistic society without contributing. if he wanted to outreach without contributing he would be fucking homeless.
Now Destiny agrees with Train and thinks Hasan is hypocritical lulz.
@@largebig79 how time flies
@@largebig79he doesn’t, and even if he did he has never said he was a socialist. Ironically train has done more than Hassan as a ”socialist”.
Train was just ahead of the times like always. YEE
How??
@@pffilms2522 calling hasan's grifting ass
@@momobec1 ja
Destiny just mentioned on stream the other day how cringe it was that he defended hasan in these debates between hasan and train
Train is never wrong
As a former infantryman paratrooper myself, Trainwrecks makes me embarrassed to be a veteran. Destiny and Hassan dunked him so hard that it broke his brain.
The changes socialists advocate for would by their very nature affect them as well. If Destiny / Hassan advocated for a top marginal income of 90% for all income over 1 million dollars, and Destiny/Hassan made 2 million dollars in a year, they would be subject to those tax rates. "Practice what you preach". They appear to be preaching for systemic changes that they themselves would be subject to. fml listening to this gave me aids.
so?
This is not true. Hasan has regularly advocated for redistribution of wealth of people much wealthier than him. He often cites how scandinavian countries have more billionaires and millionaires than the U.S. and sees no problem with it. He arbitrarily draws the line at people like bezos or elon, conveniently ppl much wealrhier than him. Perhaps he did not used to feel this way but i doubt it
@@Luke-lp9ff This is a moronic statement and not true. He advocates for things that would obviously include himself. For example m4a would have raised taxes on both people like Hassan and Bezos. Sure some things won't be applicable to Hassan when compared to Bezos. But your take on what has been advocated by Hasan is shit
@@Sanosukeafo very unlikely m4a would do anything to hasans purse considering i dont even think hes in top 1 percent. Ive only heard him advocate for immense wealth redistribution of ppl who are uber rich (ppl richer than him), so its naive to think m4a would make any significant change in his net value. Hasan fans are naive though. If you have a clip of him saying otherwise id love to see it
@@Luke-lp9ff m4a was going to be paid for by a tax increase. Taxes are based on a percentage of income. Hasan can already afford private healthcare that is just based on buying a plan from a private company.
Even if it was only a 2 or 3% tax increase to pay for it, 3% of a million dollar income is still way more expensive than what he pays right now.
Use your head, kid.
Also, top 1% means households that make 500k a year or more. Hasan is in the 1%.
1:52:05 train was right lmao hasan 20x richer now still barely does anything for his "cause"
Destiny actually adopted Train's take recently
@@John-eh2zc You don't get extra credit for doing what you get paid millions to do.
@@John-eh2zc Reading comprehension? Hassan makes millions doing what he does. It's in line with his profit motive. You don't get credit for that.
@@John-eh2zc Oh you're actually a dumbfuck. You don't know how much Twitch streamers of his size make. Hint: look at his average subs per month and multiply it by the median tier sub dollar amount. Even on the lowest sub tier, he makes over 1 million. That's excluding ad revenue. Not to mention his RUclips channel ad revenue. Giving a millionaire for doing his job, gtfo Hasan simp.
@@John-eh2zc isn't socialism about spreading wealth equally? Why isn't he doing that then.
@@John-eh2zc how is it a troll? I have less money than you therfore you give me ur money. Good deal ya
TRAIN. STOP REPEATING YOURSELF. You sitting there, yelling over top of Destiny and Hasan and just saying the same talking point over and over and over and over and over again without actually engaging ANYTHING that they are providing you, is just the epitome of asinine. You are trying to attack the individuals on a personal level via character assassination instead of making any substantial argument. Your ENTIRE spiel revolves around condemning them as hypocrites. Period. That is literally the totality of everything you have said in this debate.
Reasons you are WRONG:
1- The ONLY way your logic would checkout is if the policies they advocate for, such as wealth redistribution, were to be made a reality and THEN they somehow avoided doing that. THAT would mare their reputations, which is what you're attacking here whether you realize it or not, as being hypocrites.
2- Systemic Issues can NOT be resolved from the bottom up. They MUST be corrected via changing the system itself. People who advocate for wealth redistribution giving off a majority of their own income to random poor folks isn't going to do anything substantial to actually FIX the REAL PROBLEMS. Especially when said people you are targeting in particular aren't the ones hording the vast majority of the nation's wealth. This is exactly why I absolute hate regular people being petitioned for charity donations out in public because its always a case of trying to get money for the poor from those who just aren't as poor by comparison. When ONE RICH GUY (Jeff Bezos) has enough wealth to single-handed end major problems like world hunger.
3- The notion of these people choosing randos from their community to give free handouts to is just by default a terrible idea. That is a recipe for disaster. You are essentially trying to tell Destiny and Hasan to create their own version of the lottery. Not only would this backfire in a number of ways but it would also do what the current lotto does, which is distract people from the real problems and solutions. It would also just be another idiotic talking point the Right would use to perpetuate their kicking and screaming about how all Socialism is bad and "the only reason they can do that in the first place is because of Capitalism!" rhetoric.
Train made himself look dumb :(
Samzi Yeah. He does that occasionally but damn that was bad.
“I feel bad for dunking on both of you” lel
Jackson350z ye was saying he's bad at explaining/ getting his point across
i agree with him tho
ResidentSleeper
You can advocate for socialism in a capitalist society, you cannot advocate for capitalism in a socialist society. That's all you need to know, really
Look at it this way. Society generally moves away from systems where a few control the majority.
In Capitalism, fascism is frowned upon. It's giving control of a few over all of society. People generally see this as a bad thing.
In Socialism, Capitalism would be frowned upon because of the same reason. It would allow a few rich and powerful people to control society. A big flaw of capitalism is the skewed distribution of wealth. The rich just get richer and everyone else gets fucked.
So of course capitalism would be frowned upon.
@@Avenger222 You are viewing progression on a linear path which is wrong, it fluctuates based on situation and culture. Not-China (PRC) for example tried to move away from a feudal dictatorship and is still very much a dictatorship while the capitalist China (Taiwan) has much more freedoms and rights for the individual, despite BOTH starting from autocracy. One embraced free markets and exchange of ideas while the other turned inwards, the one attempting to transition to the system you advocate for is the one that became objectively less free in comparison to the one moving more into a "regressive ideology" (free market capitalism). That's not to say that the revolutionary process isn't always going to regress back into a form of oligarchy which is probable and even an eventuality in my opinion.
My statement is also indicative in how policing ideology is essential in a socialist state, without it you will have people undermining the system and that is going to bubble up into a bureucracy. Policing means you need people to police it, which means you need more resources and arms, the further you go into this the more autocratic your state becomes. Capitalist states are more sensible in allowing this discourse to happen, but that is simply not possible in a socialist society since it would undermine the revolutionary process and be seen as counter-revolutionary. Therefore you can't be a capitalist in a socialist society, or advocate for it, and that is relating to the root of the issue of the revolutionary process as a whole.
@@LetsGoGetThem Your first example helps illustrate what I said, so thanks! That when in a more restrictive society, capitalism is generally the better option. It gives people more opportunities and freedoms.
This is also true for socialism vs capitalism. Socialism lets anybody do anything they want to contribute to society and provides them a comfortable wage. This provides people with MORE opportunity and MORE freedoms. People aren't forced to do jobs they don't like while getting paid a meager, often below living wages.
Which society in my examples has more freedom? I'm asking you to be really honest with yourself. I'm sure you know the answer, but I *highly* doubt you'd be willing to admit it.
Just be honest with yourself, my dude.
@@LetsGoGetThem Taiwan has massive wealth inequality bad example
@@Avenger222 First of all, no, if you think my point was to illustrate that a capitalist society is _less_ free than a socialist one you are not understanding what I am saying. If your point is that capitalism is
restrictive, why do you say that capitalism gives more "opportunities" and "freedoms" (both of which I agree with, which is what makes a capitalist society a free society, not a restrictive one), unless this was supposed to be sarcastic it's kind of arguing for my position. A vanilla tankie will swear up and down that it doesn't, so I am glad you're at least progressive here.
Second, you seem to be misunderstanding my criticism of socialist transitional states and why the argument of "you can't be a capitalist in a socialist society" hits at the root of the problems that creates regressive "defunct worker's states", it's the need to police ideology and to ensure loyalty to the revolution for an idea that is inherently flawed, which is that when workers are exposed to the glory that is gommienism they will become ENLIGHTENED and won't ever be self-serving ever again. Dissent as in wanting to create markets, sell your own crop and benefit off of it which creates a divide in those who have much of what people generally want and those who don't undermines the revolution.
And third, there has never been any truly socialist countries, they all fail in the transition to one and become dictatorships where the state effectively becomes the capitalist which is not something a free market capitalist would ever condone. So I don't know where you're coming from here. Every "socialist" country socdems bring up are heavily dependent on markets and trade and freely admit they are. Markets, capitalism and trade benefits them, they know it and they don't pretend it doesn't.
Also, last I checked I never came into this argument, not even from the start, attacking theory. If you wanted to fall back behind that flimsy excuse of "but socialism is just a bunch of rainbows in this book" then I could do the same excuse for literally every flaw generated by the power of capital without the means to limit it. In reality every socialist project that's tried to transform a state into a socialist one has always failed along the way, and it has every thing to do with the paradoxical situation of trying to empower the worker but also punish those who act "too" independent or have the gall to NOT want to be a socialist country, despite their families starving. I haven't even gotten started on the issue of leftist purity testing too, which was a HUGE ISSUE in almost every revolution that's happened but most significantly in Russia where the left fought each other to a huge degree, contributing to the cycle of centralization and building up of autocracy and bureaucracy.
Train does not know how to take an L
Terry Carr I didn’t see him take an L the whole podcast. Sorry your favorite far left streamers are hypocrites who don’t practice what they preach. One of the most classic sayings is be the change you want to see in the world. Which they don’t.
@@jl2966 Destiny isn't far left you fucking dumbass.
i dont know why people on the podcast dont argue against destiny... its annoying when you have a valid argument against him and nobody calls it out
Having Dom on the podcast is pretty cool
Wow, up to date uploads on point ;)
When was this streamed?
2018.11.26
The solution to their problem with ordering food;
Don't order food, cook it yourself.
Or at the least take your fat ass out of the house and go order the food yourself and eat it at the restaurant. Fast food becomes soggy and gross in under 10 minutes. Wtf do they think is going to happen when you order food with Uber-Eats the damn driver has to pick it up and then drive across town through traffic to bring it to you. Of course it's going to get to you cold and soggy.
@@Sanosukeafo ur a moron if u think people use ubereast and grubhub for only fast food joints. People use them for Actual restaurants who dont have delivery drivers themselves you know that right? or did you believe they were only for Mcdonalds and wendys
Maybe Train isn't the most clever of the team but I feel like he's genuine. He's just afraid that " people in the chat " think he is always on Destiny and Hasan's side.
I think partly he doesnt want them to think he is dumb
Yeah he'd act a lot better if he wasn't so insecure and worried about what "other people" think of him.
Train is so pepega, bless his soul
"You bring up a vast pool of information and technical terms you know I can't follow so it's an automatic L" lol WHAT
What if when you die, you relive the exact same life, the exact same way. Like as if you can only relive a memory that you've lived infinitely and that free will is an illusion. And that everyone else from every time period is also reliving their life, completely unaware of it. Kind of gives purpose to infinite alternative universes.
That would mean, a terrible life is a hell and a great life is a heaven.
But assuming it's true, it would mean you exist in your own universe, but we are still bound by its laws. A universe made for one, like a prison.
It also means that what will happen, has already happened and we are just stuck in a point in time. So instead of time being a linear flat line, it's a circle. Like you orbit around time. And time orbits around you.
You're on to some flower of life type shit dog, big ups
Free will is an illusion regardless of all of the other things you said.
Dude weed lmao
A terrible life is hell, and a great life is heaven.
Damn dude.
@@ashy.aquarian There's actually a lot of evidence for this. I've been coming up with a theory. Big Crunch which is the alternative theory that the expansion of the universe reverses eventually and collapses in on itself with another big bang. Then there's the MUH Mathematical Universe Hypothesis, which states that humans are mathematical substructures that only feign free will. Everything starts with language and we are bi-modal. We express gradients between two extremes. Bad or Good. Cold or Hot. But like an X Y axis, there's also a Z axis, that we can't communicate on. That's prior cause, inspiring action. Prior cause then becomes time, as it occurs during a sequence of it. All of this is based on our natural limitations as humans to gravitate towards these bimodal languages and our inability to express our intent without language. We are just interacting clusters of cause driven by prior cause. Emotions fundamental purpose is to correct behavior. Think about it. If you do something right, you get rewarded. Do something bad, you are punished. The assembly of neurons firing at a specific rate is a pattern that is traceable to the big bang. You can always derive an action by a prior cause. Science itself is about harnessing this pattern and its consistencies, to hack together understanding and enhance technological capacity.
With this closed loop deterministic system. It means that there's no beginning or end, but a cycle. That there doesn't innately need to be a creator if this cycle is infinite. It just is all that is and ever was.
There's a book out there that I really recommend you read, if you're interested in this. It's called Consilience. It is the unification of all science, as the pattern recognition gets better and systems theory unifies all subjects.
Train literally doesn't let destiny finish any thought and then calls him King of interrupting. Lol. I'm triggered
I love the debates
Not to advocate for Train because it was also a big yikes from him, but the whole "you dont have a choice" argument in regards to living in a capitalist society coming from Destiny is asinine. You can both choose to live in a country with policies better aligned with socialism and also change your individual lifestyle choices that are within reach to better align to socialism.
In any case, we have no problems receiving Hasan in Argentina so he can see how we are doing as a country with many of the policies that he preaches.
just move lol 🤣🤣 move to a socialist country lol 🤣🤣 what country would you reccommend people move to, you little intellectual?
01:16:00 holy shit Train goes hard on the females
Wonder what Hassan’s take at this time would be on him buying a multimillion dollar house and a porche
1:54:11 Destiny made me laugh my ass off
01:25:00 WeirdChamp
3:54:25 Destroyed Gets Debate in this Absolutely Destiny
the podcast eventually went to shit lmao
Man, I fucking love Esfand
fox n the hound hits home hard
Train was so right
Oh no esfan is on again zzz hate watching him try to be funny and socialize, he's awful at both
He’s literally the goat wtf are you on
Did you mean Hasán? Esfand carries
I get such cringey vibes from him idk, I can like feel the incel when he talks
sargon and destiny are gonna debate on the podcast
train cares WAY TO FUCKING MUCH about what his chat says. Like he will ignore common sense because he thinks chat will be against him.
I'm an old Boomer and I only understand about 7% of what the f*** they're talkin about...😭
Yo if you would like an explanation I've got time just ask.
@@tenbitube No thanks. White folks talking about black issues makes my skin crawl.
@@St1kyFinguz I know more about economic issues more than race issues.
@@tenbitube are you a Socialist?
@@St1kyFinguz if by socialist you mean I believe workers should own businesses in worker co-ops.
Kephrii, never heard the of guy. Not a fan
1:06:51why do girls talk like this sometimes, it sounds like every word is the lat word of the sentence, idk why it annoys me so much
Most americans speak like this
I know exactly what you mean. personally, it doesnt bother me much. You know what does though? Doms speech pattern. Listen to him commentate himself playing a game of league. He always ends his sentences with a high pitch. Not sure how to describe it. But idk why im the only one who notices it
Philippe Gauvin i had a highschool teacher that would start speaking low, and then gradually start speaking higher througout the sentence.
It was kind of entertaining.
Esfand speaks like that
Pepega Trainwrecks
I love you Hassan. But please quit eating into the mic....✌️
one of the worst podcast's arguing over stupid topics and half the people weren't even speaking...
This episode doesn't age well 😂😂😂
The corny intro is old.
He's making me go braindead
Just lost a few brain cells listening to train
about the conceiving question:
Dazzle brought Huskar from the sacred heaven to fight one more time in DOTA2, so if u brought a kid for one life time for a life full of suffering and enjoyment and ur feeling guilty there is some one who did it worse :p
I see where he got his name, wow.
The actual state of hasan and destiny talking about a black man not being the right kind of black man.
TIMESTAMPS?
The boondocks did a funny bit with this light skin being more liked than darker skinned actors issue.
damn train spent so much time saying nothing
1:48:30
Amouranth always looks bored
Didn't I watch this like 2 weeks ago?
I have to say, train is right in the capitalist argument and this is absolutely set in stone with the recent hasan 3 million dollar house controversy. 2 years after this argument destiny will inadvertently agree with train’s point. it’s kinda gross how everyone just goes after train just cause of what he says is seen as edgy.
Efsand is so cringe anytime I see him. His jokes are so bad. Tries too hard to fit in. Simp king. Stories are boring. Major yikes.
See how the two female streamers are displaying their "content" while the men have very different camera angles.
What's you're fucking point.
@@skepticmoderate5790 My point is that they are crypto-prostitutes.
Foudilain making up terms to sound smart never makes you sound smart.
Outside of that, men and women are anatomically different, and men are generally more visually stimulated. Not exactly sure how a man could manipulate camera angles to get more views. However, I’m sure that if it could be done, someone would be doing it.
Not trying to white knight but scarlets top is something I’d see in public.
@@wyatt5167 I know male sexuality is more visually oriented than female sexuality. That doesn't remove from the fact that the female streamers are practically selling their bodies, which is why I call them crypto-prostitutes.
@@korppi164 But in this instance they aren't. You can literally see girls dressed like that if you go outside lol. Actually you can see more if you go outside.
Outside of that, most entertainers are selling their bodies in some way. But again, this really isn't scandalous lol
Pepega 👌
2:18:02 I swear that is like when people say that calling someone fascist is fascist, because it is like marginalising or some shit
A bunch of gamers and Ethots. These people don't deserve to discuss politics and are ignorant.
"don't deserve to discuss politics"
How fucking elitist can you get? Politics effects everybody. Thus everyone should be able to discuss it.
*Bro, there's no debate if you understand what socialism and capitalism means. Socialism is immoral, capitalism isn't.*
socialism is immoral?
This is what brainwashing looks like
@@luisvanden2053 *you clearly have no idea what capitalism means.*
@@baska- yeah i do i have a degree in political philosophy smart arse. Someone doesn't know what socialism is.
@@baska- Wow, i can't believe you linked that fool. How have you ended up believing such crazy people who come illogical conclusions such as: "democracy is bad because it is public ownership of power, which is ethically unjustifiable and economically destructive compared to "private ownership of power" (monarchy). Public exercise of power is bad because of the time-preference ratios of economic actors." If that doesn't sound crazy to you, then you are truly lost. And yeah I would gladly live in Cuba if I could, but I've got friends and family here so.
Ice cream and french fries? Fucking disgusting. Two awesome treats. RUINED
Starw wars land is pretty great.
I got get him saying spiderman popped up at Disney place cause spiderman is in universal.
U shud claim the videos that just upload clips from ur stream
Train what will it take for Hasan not to be on the podcast? We need a petition or some shit?
i love you train keep doin you
esfand is so funny hahah
trainwreckstv, an infantile disorder
not the first comment
Holy shit, I love this podcast and I’ve come to kinda like Train but he was saying some REAL dumb shit lmao
Cowboy timestamp?
Scuffed so no time stamp
53:32 age of consent is 16 in my state KKonaW
Hey I'm from Rhode Island, we need love too amouranth D:
Train's correct. Advocating taking money from rich people, while becoming rich, is hypocrisy.
How is train wrong? The only points they make are exaggerated comparisons and interrupting every time he tries to talk
1.00.00
If you believe socialism works you don’t know anything about European history or current situation of Venezuela.
Didn’t Venezuela go to shit because the president put all their eggs in on basket? Oil? Also, when you say Europe, are you referring to former USSR countries?
Incest is ok, wow. This podcast is demented.
Hey buddy, you got an argument on how incest is morally wrong? Saying it's gross doesn't count btw.
It's an argument if it's immoral and why, try not to mix your feelings into it.
Train wrecks HMU I know about 0-2-8 from both sides. Wanna help man .5% aren’t blind. @trainwreckstv
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Turtle Beach??? ROFL what the fuck ever. Audio-Technica all day every day.
Nick Fuentes?
What's up with the instant dislikes?
keemstar n word pussies
bot guy :)
People that get triggered every time the word "socialism" comes up.
[edit: changed "world" to "word"]
BlasterMaster all the commies & fat leftists
@@jl2966 They don't have a reason to dislike the video you fucking imbecile, did you even watch the podcast?
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