These are some of the best tips I have ever seen. It took me almost three months of determined practice to play the full F Major. And it has taken another year and a half of practice to be able to transition to it in time. And many times, I'm still partial or late. It takes patience and practice....lots of practice, and then more practice. And upon learning this chord in a song, everything else done on guitar becomes easier. Your hand doesn't naturally do what is required here. Practice.
Just started today great comment I've been practicing guitar on and off for about a month now and know all the open chords and power chords now I have to learn barre chords well I guess If I get f major the rest are easier so I'll get it done weather it takes a month or a year and my reward for learning this beautiful art form is a brand new Gibson hummingbird. Just also I'd like to thank Andy guitar for all his speciality tips and tricks and inside know how and how to translate it into such a relatable way
It's humbling to me that I was once stuck on playing the F Barre Chord. Now I can switch from say an G chord to an F chord with ease. It's just nice to go back to where I got started :)
@@sathira_anuk5179 i don't have a problem with holding barre chords anymore! If I learn a new song I gotta practice the respective switch same way you learn anything else in a new song but otherwise I'm fine!
I've been playing guitar for 5 months now, and I must admit, your channel, and your lessons are some of the best if not THE best guitar tutorials in all of RUclips. I've been wanting this video for weeks now, and I must really thank you man! This helped a lot, really easy to understand as always, keep up the good work! Thanks and greetings from Argentina :D!!!
This was literally the most helpful video ever. This way of thinking totally unlocked the barre chords for me. I can literally play the F chord on demand like it was an open chord after 5 minutes of watching this video and months of not being able to play the F chord.
I've been playing for almost five years, and I always played open chords with my thumb over the neck. Playing them your way is great for strengthening your thumb just as you said. Thanks Andy!
Notes: Side of finger Finger not to far above fretboard - just sticking out a bit Thumb right behind the index finger Close to the fret Fingers slight angle towards you Use bottom fingers to play open chords Changing on beat four (instead of the and) Practice F to G - C - Am Great lesson! 😁
I've said this many times in the comments but i'll say it again - you're a great teacher and providing excellent material all for free. When I have a little extra $ I'm going to pay to download your lessons because you truly deserve it.
This is a great lesson, Andy. For me the most useful tip was #2. Keeping the thumb low behind the neck is great not only for building the muscle, but because it puts your hand in the best position for moving to the F chord. Hanging your thumb over the top of the neck for open chords like C and G was a habit to break but totally worth it! That's how classical guitar players do it.
This is a hard chord to get right but what made it more enjoyable to learn was picking one of my favourite songs with the f chord in it and it is really satisfying to hear one of your favourite songs coming together it will take time though /edit I've almost got this chord but I would recommend using a 4 finger g in andy' s course because you use your pinky already
@ZeN Not months weeks, I was also using the Tom Petty song learning to fly because it just repeats the same four chords and learn to play an E major with fingers 2,3 and 4
Thanks Andy really helpful and I guess I’m getting there - slowly! One thing that has also helped me is that at the start of learning this I was putting the barre finger down last. So the I forced myself to play it putting the barre finger down first. After awhile alternating between these two methods the fingers are starting to go down much more together. May not work for everyone but it has helped me.
I just want to thank you. I've been learning guitar with the justinguitar series. In the series, he has us trying to only press the bar on strings 1, 2, and 6. That's impossible in my book. I can play this chord. I still need to strengthen fingers 2 3 4 but it's so much easier. Thank you.
This is probably the best guitar lesson I have ever watched! So clear & detailed, easy to see EXACTLY where hand/fingers go. So many lessons to not show the detail as closely, leaving me constantly guessing! Thanks Andy, keen to try this all of a sudden after dreading it for so long!
After strugling for quite sometime, I came across your video 10m ago and decided to try some of the tips. After trying tip 3, I just couldn't believe how clean the chord sounded. I feel like I can actually play the chord now. Thank you much Andy!!
I sure can't play it in a song, but your first tip, use the side of you index finger gave a nice clean chord! Awesome! My hands are smaller and I've been drumming for 20 years, picked up piano, then guitar about a month ago and one of my goals was to play the F and the B.
Thank you! Finally a video for playing F Barre on acoustic! Not how to play the easy version or cheat it. Great video really helped me get the B string ringing
I just got this today after about a week of constant attempts. Honestly, what a relief. Now I just need to build up strength in my barre finger to pull it off smoothly but I finally have the technique and know what I need to do. This is hard to explain, but I did it by applying rolling pressure from the 'hinge' at the base of my forefinger and pressing down on the strings with the bony bit along the side of my finger. I am working on developing a callous on that part of my finger now, which should make it easier.
Lily Bailey That's my problem atm. I can play it perfectly, just can't get there quick enough. Sometimes it's ok, other times it's stops my songs dead in their tracks as my little finger goes into spaz mode flailing all over the place picking noses and scratching retinas.
Exactly !!! I can play the F chord perfectly individually now. But changing from open chord to an F chord quick enough in a song is impossible for me .
Thanks for the refresher, haven’t played for a couple years and couldn’t for the life of me. Remember how the chord went. Time to learn Tennessee whiskey..
this is the first day ive ever even PLAYED a barre chord,,, I'm so proud of myself.,, in a few years hopefully I'll remember this video and see my progress :')
Thank you for the " use side of index finger instead of the bottom" its simple advise like that that makes worlds of difference. Thank you. You are a good teacher for me.
I forced myself to write songs incorporating the F barre so I had no choice but to get better at using it. F & B barre chords are the toughest to get comfortable with for me.🎶
Great advice, particularly practicing the first position e chord with the same three fingers as the barred f. This was the key for me as my pinkie always fell on the same string as my ring finger. I'm off and running now as the barred f opens up the whole fretboard. Thanks a million.
Sir, it does not matter how i try, i can not press the finger in a way that it gets all six strings to ring. At the best i am only silencing two strings. No angle or amount of pressure solves it. Shall i go for surgery?
Learning F chord or barre chords in general is really a struggle in the beginning. But once you nailed F barre chord, doing it is just like doing an open chord. It will be just second nature. Learning F chord is like learning C chord, you will have a hard time at the beginning. The only difference is it will take longer to learn F barre chords.
Ive always had guitars but have been lazy when it came to knuckling down & learning. What I do know Is all self taught from books but I really should have got some lessons as Ive always needed a kick up the ass,lol. This channel has been great for what I needed so nice one Andy. Books can only take me so far without pointers or encouragement from a sound teacher. Im gonna put in the hours everyday from now on & really push myself so I can do what I should have been able to do years ago. Kids start playing these days & turn pro in just a few years & put me to shame. Ive never had a lesson or even owned a tuner. I just tune up from records which is simple. Anyway, cheers & keep it up mate. Nice one.
same with me. I just now discovered that putting my thumb even lower on the neck works better, at least for me. Before I had it at about 3/4 of the neck and now at 1/2. Maybe that helps you too, I still have to practice the changes though^^
I couldn't play a single barre chord. It seemed impossible. But now 6 months later I can play all 4 main barre chords individually (shifting between them is a challenge ). So if any one is struggling with barre chords it will definitely happen just give it time ! There is honestly no secret or hidden technique to master. Just a lot of practice and a lot of experimentation (see what works for your fingers cause we have differently sized hands ) .
I can play the F barre chord but only when my barre finger(the ones that goes straight on the fretboard) is on the 2nd fret.When I play it on the first fret,it doesn't sound right.Because it sounds dead although I think I've pressed the string hard enough
This video really helped me. I kind of had it but not quite. I could land it but it required a lot of strength and I would buzz the strings. Your advice was the tipping point that put me on the right track. Thank you!
Thank you. I did the first tip and finally got it with the barre almost immediately. I was getting the shape right but I had my first finger too high one the fret and on the flesh of the bottom not the side. My forearm is killing me now though
Using lighter strings really helps too for beginners. I was using extra light Ernie Balls and just recently switched to medium-light and I've had to start the process of finger strength for the F Barre all over again. This chord is my personal hell.
I just can’t play it. I’m going to start doing the E with the 3rd 4th and 5th fingers and try and just get the first finger covering all the strings properly which is hard enough at the moment. I’ve gave up on this years ago but I’m back to conquer the F even if takes me till the summer
If you want to be able to play barres, its pretty simple. Its not easy but till you learn em, forget about all open chords, and pkay everything with barres. Cause open chords you should consider only as some bonus, but barres are pretty important. Every chord you could play with barre ;)
Hi Andy, I've been following your Beginners Course, and I'm actually done following all the lessons in it right now. I've mastered all the chords, and I was wondering at what point you would recommend going on to this Improver's Course. (FYI, I learn how to play a song containing the chords I learnt up to now in approximately an hour). Thnx for answering :)
Do what I did. Practice it on a guitar with hella high strings and keep doing it until it sounds right then do it on a better guitar. Its one of the most painful things ever but its worth it.
Cheers Andy i've been practising the F barre chord since around x-mas, its getting there sort of. But i was just wondering how long it takes to become really proficient ? I will Definitely work on the routine in tip5 :)
This F Chord taught me.There is no hope and we are all here to suffer.
Im new in this, I guess I’ll choose another song to learn
@@Marta-wh2cf same 😂😂 F the F chord
@I Design comes from the key
@I Design 1st fret of 6th fret
The f....king chord
Ladies and gentlemen, after 3 days of 1h of practice, I have finally managed to play this chord successfully - once.
how is it going now?
Good work!
Practice for less time each day, but more days in a row
These are some of the best tips I have ever seen. It took me almost three months of determined practice to play the full F Major. And it has taken another year and a half of practice to be able to transition to it in time. And many times, I'm still partial or late. It takes patience and practice....lots of practice, and then more practice. And upon learning this chord in a song, everything else done on guitar becomes easier. Your hand doesn't naturally do what is required here. Practice.
good comment! just what I need. Thanks man.
Just started today great comment I've been practicing guitar on and off for about a month now and know all the open chords and power chords now I have to learn barre chords well I guess If I get f major the rest are easier so I'll get it done weather it takes a month or a year and my reward for learning this beautiful art form is a brand new Gibson hummingbird. Just also I'd like to thank Andy guitar for all his speciality tips and tricks and inside know how and how to translate it into such a relatable way
This is discouraging me.
@@mathewchesters2886 Did you master the F Barre chord? How long did it take you?
You have perfect guitar hands, I have 5 sausages attached to a frisbee. Good tips though :-)
That’s what she said I think?
CaptinNapkin 02 no
This made me laugh out loud. Thank you, sir sausage fingers
Me too. But check out a pic of the premier classical guitarst A. Serovia. Total sausage fingers! Take heart!
Lmfao😂😂😂😂
It's humbling to me that I was once stuck on playing the F Barre Chord. Now I can switch from say an G chord to an F chord with ease. It's just nice to go back to where I got started :)
Would you kindly tell me how long it took you?
@@rakash4118if you practice regularly, It can take 3-6 months
I can play it and change between cords, It took me like 8 months
@@rakash4118h just realized this is an old comment
How's your progress now?
@@sathira_anuk5179 i don't have a problem with holding barre chords anymore! If I learn a new song I gotta practice the respective switch same way you learn anything else in a new song but otherwise I'm fine!
@@sathira_anuk5179 damn bro. That's a lot. I'm dying over here😭
I've been playing guitar for 5 months now, and I must admit, your channel, and your lessons are some of the best if not THE best guitar tutorials in all of RUclips. I've been wanting this video for weeks now, and I must really thank you man! This helped a lot, really easy to understand as always, keep up the good work! Thanks and greetings from Argentina :D!!!
Did u keep playing?
@@islaaa._22guess not lol
This was literally the most helpful video ever. This way of thinking totally unlocked the barre chords for me. I can literally play the F chord on demand like it was an open chord after 5 minutes of watching this video and months of not being able to play the F chord.
This comment sounds very sarcastic
I've been playing for almost five years, and I always played open chords with my thumb over the neck. Playing them your way is great for strengthening your thumb just as you said. Thanks Andy!
I'm close to smashing my guitar I can not play the b string on the f chord
try some different guitars. I had the same problem - with the same technique it goes better on some guitars than others.
Sy sammeeee it always mutes
Saaame. Even if i’ve got the another 5 strings, b doesn’t ring out
same
Same here bro.
Notes:
Side of finger
Finger not to far above fretboard - just sticking out a bit
Thumb right behind the index finger
Close to the fret
Fingers slight angle towards you
Use bottom fingers to play open chords
Changing on beat four (instead of the and)
Practice F to G - C - Am
Great lesson! 😁
If anyone here uses Yousician, playing "Mr. Brightside" is a good way to learn the F chord. It uses F, G, C, and Am :)
my piano teacher: _you have big hands_
me when attempting guitar: _my hands are heckin tiny lady are you kidding me..._
tofu soup I feel like most guitar players have freakishly big hands
I've said this many times in the comments but i'll say it again - you're a great teacher and providing excellent material all for free. When I have a little extra $ I'm going to pay to download your lessons because you truly deserve it.
This is a great lesson, Andy. For me the most useful tip was #2. Keeping the thumb low behind the neck is great not only for building the muscle, but because it puts your hand in the best position for moving to the F chord. Hanging your thumb over the top of the neck for open chords like C and G was a habit to break but totally worth it! That's how classical guitar players do it.
This is a hard chord to get right but what made it more enjoyable to learn was picking one of my favourite songs with the f chord in it and it is really satisfying to hear one of your favourite songs coming together it will take time though /edit I've almost got this chord but I would recommend using a 4 finger g in andy' s course because you use your pinky already
@ZeN Not months weeks, I was also using the Tom Petty song learning to fly because it just repeats the same four chords and learn to play an E major with fingers 2,3 and 4
Andy, tip 3 is lengendary !!! The F shape and the Barre are a lot for a beginner together but separately they are more approachable
Best video so far for tips playing F-Chord. I recommend watching this video 1:40 - 2:00 which helps me a lot and very stress free on my finger
Thank you ever so much!!! I have been struggaling with F barre and avoiding it. I was not able to find a grip. Pinch mode has made it possible! ⭐️
Thanks Andy really helpful and I guess I’m getting there - slowly! One thing that has also helped me is that at the start of learning this I was putting the barre finger down last. So the I forced myself to play it putting the barre finger down first. After awhile alternating between these two methods the fingers are starting to go down much more together. May not work for everyone but it has helped me.
I just want to thank you. I've been learning guitar with the justinguitar series. In the series, he has us trying to only press the bar on strings 1, 2, and 6. That's impossible in my book. I can play this chord. I still need to strengthen fingers 2 3 4 but it's so much easier. Thank you.
CHAPTER TIMES!
F chord demo 0:32
Tip 1 01:00
Tip 2 02:48
Tip 3 03:55
Tip 4 05:59
Tip 5 09:54
Recap 10:05
Songs 11:53
omg for the first time in my life I played F chord without cramping all my fingers. you are a saviour.
This is probably the best guitar lesson I have ever watched! So clear & detailed, easy to see EXACTLY where hand/fingers go. So many lessons to not show the detail as closely, leaving me constantly guessing! Thanks Andy, keen to try this all of a sudden after dreading it for so long!
After strugling for quite sometime, I came across your video 10m ago and decided to try some of the tips. After trying tip 3, I just couldn't believe how clean the chord sounded. I feel like I can actually play the chord now. Thank you much Andy!!
I sure can't play it in a song, but your first tip, use the side of you index finger gave a nice clean chord! Awesome! My hands are smaller and I've been drumming for 20 years, picked up piano, then guitar about a month ago and one of my goals was to play the F and the B.
Thank you! Finally a video for playing F Barre on acoustic! Not how to play the easy version or cheat it. Great video really helped me get the B string ringing
I just got this today after about a week of constant attempts. Honestly, what a relief. Now I just need to build up strength in my barre finger to pull it off smoothly but I finally have the technique and know what I need to do. This is hard to explain, but I did it by applying rolling pressure from the 'hinge' at the base of my forefinger and pressing down on the strings with the bony bit along the side of my finger. I am working on developing a callous on that part of my finger now, which should make it easier.
I was playing Stitches by Shawn Mendes on guitar and my fingers literally need stitches
Ted MacFarlane you can also use the simple version of the f chord
@@jk8847 it doesnt apply to every song :/
@@beddingnoyus8697 it doesn't but well, ig its better than nothing right :)
I was not
😆
I can do an f chord, I just can't move from another chord to an f chord...
+Lily Bailey Thats the real challenge- it can take time! This video should help you with your chord changes ruclips.net/video/VaegrntyEgk/видео.html
+Andy Guitar thank you! This is much appreciated!
Lily Bailey That's my problem atm. I can play it perfectly, just can't get there quick enough. Sometimes it's ok, other times it's stops my songs dead in their tracks as my little finger goes into spaz mode flailing all over the place picking noses and scratching retinas.
Keep playing, you'll get there eventually.
Exactly !!!
I can play the F chord perfectly individually now. But changing from open chord to an F chord quick enough in a song is impossible for me .
This tutorial rules. I've been struggling for years with getting F barres to ring out and these tips finally got it ringing out for me!
i have the problem of shorter fingers andy and my wrist starts to ache have you any suggestions please thanks steve
Thanks for the refresher, haven’t played for a couple years and couldn’t for the life of me. Remember how the chord went. Time to learn Tennessee whiskey..
this is the first day ive ever even PLAYED a barre chord,,, I'm so proud of myself.,, in a few years hopefully I'll remember this video and see my progress :')
Thank you for the " use side of index finger instead of the bottom" its simple advise like that that makes worlds of difference. Thank you. You are a good teacher for me.
12 minutes solved a problem I’ve had for months. Great video!
I forced myself to write songs incorporating the F barre so I had no choice but to get better at using it. F & B barre chords are the toughest to get comfortable with for me.🎶
Great advice, particularly practicing the first position e chord with the same three fingers as the barred f.
This was the key for me as my pinkie always fell on the same string as my ring finger. I'm off and running now as the barred f opens up the whole fretboard.
Thanks a million.
Sir, it does not matter how i try, i can not press the finger in a way that it gets all six strings to ring. At the best i am only silencing two strings. No angle or amount of pressure solves it.
Shall i go for surgery?
Lower the action.
@@brienmaybe.4415 gonna cost string buzzing tho
Same issue for me, except I mute more strings
Learning F chord or barre chords in general is really a struggle in the beginning. But once you nailed F barre chord, doing it is just like doing an open chord. It will be just second nature.
Learning F chord is like learning C chord, you will have a hard time at the beginning. The only difference is it will take longer to learn F barre chords.
Came across this by chance, the best explanation I have seen of playing a Barre Chord, opens up the guitar to go further.
OMGG I just tried the first tip and I literally played it!!! Thank you so much!!! I’ve been trying this for years!!
I am so thankful for this video cause it was taking me way too long to learn this chord and watching this I learned it in 5 mins. Thank you!
This is the next chord in my guitar playing journey. Let’s goooo!
The F-Chord! The name explains it all.
Ive always had guitars but have been lazy when it came to knuckling down & learning. What I do know Is all self taught from books but I really should have got some lessons as Ive always needed a kick up the ass,lol. This channel has been great for what I needed so nice one Andy. Books can only take me so far without pointers or encouragement from a sound teacher. Im gonna put in the hours everyday from now on & really push myself so I can do what I should have been able to do years ago. Kids start playing these days & turn pro in just a few years & put me to shame. Ive never had a lesson or even owned a tuner. I just tune up from records which is simple. Anyway, cheers & keep it up mate. Nice one.
No matter what i try the second string just does not ring out, doing my head in.
same with me. I just now discovered that putting my thumb even lower on the neck works better, at least for me. Before I had it at about 3/4 of the neck and now at 1/2. Maybe that helps you too, I still have to practice the changes though^^
me too😂😂
@TheLoewe4ever
you're my hero
I couldn't play a single barre chord. It seemed impossible.
But now 6 months later I can play all 4 main barre chords individually (shifting between them is a challenge ). So if any one is struggling with barre chords it will definitely happen just give it time !
There is honestly no secret or hidden technique to master. Just a lot of practice and a lot of experimentation (see what works for your fingers cause we have differently sized hands ) .
I can play the F barre chord but only when my barre finger(the ones that goes straight on the fretboard) is on the 2nd fret.When I play it on the first fret,it doesn't sound right.Because it sounds dead although I think I've pressed the string hard enough
This video really helped me. I kind of had it but not quite. I could land it but it required a lot of strength and I would buzz the strings. Your advice was the tipping point that put me on the right track. Thank you!
Also helps to play Am with fingers 2, 3 & 4 - makes the change to F much easier. Needed for Pigs on the Wing!
this was incredibly helpful, especially the advice about training your fingers to nail the E chord shape plus a barre. thanks for this tutorial!
What is it with that bloody B string. I've decided that this chord will just never work exactly as you'd like.
I have finally learned my F BARRE CHORD
congrats, u have left the noob pile
Thank you. I will try out all,of your hints and winks. Still difficult. But, i will practice. Keep up the good work.
Thank you. I did the first tip and finally got it with the barre almost immediately. I was getting the shape right but I had my first finger too high one the fret and on the flesh of the bottom not the side. My forearm is killing me now though
These are all excellent tips, and especially so for number 3. Thank you Andy!!
Incorporating the weaker fingers to play the E and then sliding them to barre the F is genius. thanks mate! really helping with my guitar progression!
What a awesome way to explain F barre chord. 👍
Thank You very much. I have got the hang of the f barre chord now.
love the lessons, just got to work hard and put in the time, and it will come
What I learned from my beginner experience is If you do the hard chords it is a lot easier to do the easy chords
i'm faster at getting a literal capo and putting it on than i am switching to the f chord. i hate this chord!!!!!
Thanks Andy. Started playing in January and coming on nicely by following your course. Will need to practice this for hotel califonia.
Really helpful tips. It helped me by imitating your finger positions. Thanks a million
Can't wait to try these tips, Andy, thanks.
thank you so much andy!! :) i have really learned a lot from you..hoping to learn barre chords soon they are so difficult..thanks again..:)
You have a great way of explaining your point ! Love your work !! :)
Amazing. Got it the first time trying it this way.
Thank you very much.
It is very useful for me.
I wish you good luck.
Regards, Michael.
Great video! tip 3 was a game changer for me.
Thank you! Much Love HareKrishna&GodBless❤️🙏
Andy thanks, u're a good teacher
Tip number 3 really worked!! Woohoo!
thanks Andy! This helped so much!!
One simple word "practice".
Well explained, teacher, thanks very much 👍
I made it sound at least once, and I am a beginner, and so I am so so happy, ahh, it's a miracle
good lesson on the f bar chord ,every thing spot on great job thanks for the great teaching smooth
This is so helpful! Thank you, Andy! I'm working on You Can Count on Me by Bruno Mars and it has that dang F chord, but I'm determined!!
Using lighter strings really helps too for beginners. I was using extra light Ernie Balls and just recently switched to medium-light and I've had to start the process of finger strength for the F Barre all over again.
This chord is my personal hell.
I learnt f major chord in one day from these tips thanks andy
(Altho shifting is challangeing)
These were some great tips Andy, thanks!
I thought your tips were the most usefulI have seen. Thank you so much
I just can’t play it. I’m going to start doing the E with the 3rd 4th and 5th fingers and try and just get the first finger covering all the strings properly which is hard enough at the moment. I’ve gave up on this years ago but I’m back to conquer the F even if takes me till the summer
If you want to be able to play barres, its pretty simple. Its not easy but till you learn em, forget about all open chords, and pkay everything with barres. Cause open chords you should consider only as some bonus, but barres are pretty important. Every chord you could play with barre ;)
Hi Andy, I've been following your Beginners Course, and I'm actually done following all the lessons in it right now. I've mastered all the chords, and I was wondering at what point you would recommend going on to this Improver's Course. (FYI, I learn how to play a song containing the chords I learnt up to now in approximately an hour). Thnx for answering :)
Where to place that first finger helped me so much. I was too low before. Thank you so very much
The 1st finger turning when barre is BASIC to make the barre work out!!
Thanks SIR for guiding in such a proper way...REALLY HELPFUL to me..THANKS A LOT..
Really helpful, thank you 👍🙏🙏
lmao I thought you had nail polish on the thumbnail
Eh. So what if he did =P
lol I came to the comments to see if anyone else thought the same
Me: Hey thats a cool song lets learn it
F chord: are you sure about that boy?
Thanks so much for showing this tip it helped tremendously!
thanks for your lesson :) that Yamaha guitar is top notch......
excellent tips andy boy, wish I'd known number two when I was just starting out
yo that pinch tip really helped!!
Thanks for that E chord exercise tip!
Do what I did. Practice it on a guitar with hella high strings and keep doing it until it sounds right then do it on a better guitar. Its one of the most painful things ever but its worth it.
U seriously explained very well sir...
It’s extremely frustrating as a beginner. I have to keep telling myself everyone struggled with this as a beginner. Except for a few prodigies.
Thank you for these tips, Andy - really useful :)
Cheers Andy i've been practising the F barre chord since around x-mas, its getting there sort of. But i was just wondering how long it takes to become really proficient ? I will Definitely work on the routine in tip5 :)