This show feels like when your horny and daydreaming, but you can’t quite keep the storyline on track and you keep skipping to the sex and nudity. I actually hated it😭
I feel like the director couldn't find a porn video that satisfied his super weird and unusual ice cube fettish so he hired a team of actors to create his own.
I'm surprised Charlie didn't mention the golden part where Jocelyn's friend/assistant goes "he gives me rapey vibes" talking about Tedros and Jocelyn says "I kinda like that about him" and then proceeds to invite him over 💀💀💀
Whoever wrote that line needs to be thrown in jail fr… and based off the creepy over-sexualisation in euphoria, I would be very unsurprised if it was Sam Levinson who wrote that line.
The Weeknd’s own subreddit has been absolutely shredding this thing for months now since the first promo. You know it’s bad when the artist’s own sub has turned
You are right, man. I often enter his subreddit for memes, and I know how these guys been trashing the show. It's good to watch, though. Atleast they are not being like Kpop fans, blindly following their favorite artists.
@@andreaoak Idk bout her subreddit. But some of my friends listen to her and they're like... acting like a blind follower saying that Jennie did a really phenomenal acting. And that's actually some crazy fan shi..
Jocelyn is a hard character to sympathize and care for when you realise her lorewise fanbase are ACTUAL 14 YEAR OLD GIRLS and she wants to release a song about freaky sex and being wild to them and making a video butt naked . At this point the nudity coordinator was the only person I liked and he had 10 seconds of screen time
@@stuupyisntrealmanipulated? Didn’t know anyone had a gun to their heads 😂 ironically it’s like the hooker who has no problems until she finds out the pimp makes more than she thought or she can’t be his chosen one.... then you hear the victim stories spanning over years or even decades ago Or easier example, the McDonald’s worker or waiter/waitress that purposely gets a low end job then expects tips or to be worshiped for this JOB because they see other living good... knowing full well what job THEY applied for 😂😂
@@stuupyisntreal Im sorry but she is not manipulated . When the nudity manager told her to dress up she said she doesn't want to , when her managers told her "you can't release this song that's basically softcore porn to 14 year old " she said she wants to . If it was a scenario where Jocelyn is a sweet innocent girl who just wants to sing but evil managers force her to be sexualized and to sing dirty songs to minors cause they sell I would agree and symphatize with her but she sexualizes herself and she's only making dumb decisions . "I like that he has a rapey vibe" WHO TF EVEN SAYS THAT ????
The show was actually originally being directed by Amy Seimetz and focused on Jocelyn’s industry troubles (the main parts of Episode 2). Sam Levinson and The Weeknd then led a creative overhaul and introduced Tedros and all of the softcore stuff. It literally feels like two shows mashed together.
And you can definitely tell which scenes were kept and reshot while watching Episode 2. The music video shoot scene was the best part of the episode, and it had me convinced that the show would get better, until Tedros showed up.
@@halloweenfriday Exactly! And it annoyed me because the music video stuff was easily the best part of the episode, but it just got brushed aside for that cringey stuff at the end 🤢🤮.
@@dajuiceman8870 I really hope we get a director’s cut of this series, with all of Amy Seimetz’s scenes shot and restored. But, I have a feeling we won’t be getting that for a while. Such a shame, because there’s a good show dug deep in there under all of that garbage.
yeah previously it was supposed to make the audience think of the negative sides of sexual exploitation and misogyny in the industry.. now with the help of the weeknd, the audience is looking at sexual exploitation with rose-tinted glasses
I’m not defending the show.. but I think that’s the point.. the only logical voice is shut out in place of people who are literally leaching off of her.
@@firstlast9846 My biggest problem with this argument is the fact that the show fetishizes rape and Sam Levinson rewrote what was supposed to be a female empowerment story (originally created by a woman) and turned it into borderline torture porn. So by demonizing the intimacy coordinator, they're basically feeding into the allegations that Sam is a gross person who fetishizes rape.
@manband20 - I’m not arguing on that front *Sam’s a certified weirdo* but some of these things have been a little misunderstood.. perhaps that scene of her team kicking out the only sane person in the room - - was used in the original script - and it carried over here in some capacity. Not sure.
I don't understand why so many people choose to be lazy writers. They just write a bunch of horny cr*p down and film it but if they truly wanted to make a decent show with sexual themes/content, there's a billion ways to do it properly.
this show really made me view the weeknd's music differently as well. i know he's just playing a character but the way a lot of his music is sexually charged, i cant hep but feel there's some overlap between him, his music, and the character he's playing. just makes me feel ickyyy
It isn't though... people thought HBO and HBO Max were the same thing when they always two separate entities. HBO is a cable network and HBO Max is a streaming platform that had HBO content and a whole lot more. The mistake was calling it HBO Max in the first place.
📣Gratuitous nudity =/= art 📣 When this show was first announced, it sounded really interesting. Back then I thought it was gonna be character-driven, and show how power dynamics can influence people's actions. It could have been a thought-provoking series about how cults recruit their members when they're at their lowest ebb. But the showrunners decided to take it in a different, much shallower direction to the point where it's just a male power fantasy. Disappointed does not even begin to cover it 😒
@@Originalchili I didn't say anything about 50 Shades of Grey? 50 Shades has its own issues that I'm not going to go into. My issue is The Idol's writers clearly don't see women as people; just sex objects that need to be dominated. Which is a shame because as I said in my original comment, this show had a really promising premise. In the right hands, this could've been on par with Breaking Bad.
this makes more sense when you find out it was originally set to be directed by a woman who wanted it to be a “a troubled starlet falling victim to a predatory industry figure and fighting to reclaim her own agency” but after Levinson took over it was described by crew members as being basically reduced to a male r@pe fantasy
@@jinna321 all of what you said is fiction you're just regurgitating from what other people have said when non of it is actually true, that very same director approved of the writing that Sam did.
@@froglegstastebestsaltedthankfully Craig McCracken along with the majority of the original crew are in the charge of the newest reboot of the show, so we're gonna heal from those awful memories.
Fun fact, the house they are shooting in. Is actually TheWeeknds house. Honestly I just take this show as a "what not to do" scenario. Like these things probably do happen so shining light on a lot of these is kind of alright. But could have been done a different way to show awareness of these issues.
Im kinda concerned that the intimacy worker was seen as the villain when his job is to protect people from being sexual exploited Edit, i also just realised that this show was produced by WB, which was at like the centre for the me2 movement with Harvey weinstein. Might not be that deep but some how make me more disappointed about a show I didn't even care about in the first place.
and what’s worse is that people are defending it by saying it’s a commentary on how her managers are okay with her being exploited but that argument falls apart when Jocelyn’s explains that she’s mad because she sees it as “policing her body” 😭
@@TheSourcerer99 i think you’re giving sam levinson too much credit. from how i see it, i think he wrote it with this full intent thinking it would earn praise or be edgy when really it just sounds stupid. if it was what he was going for he should’ve put more emphasis on it and clarify things instead of making the audience go through obstacles to understand what he’s trying to say. 😭
it's really concerning that they portrayed her doing "breath play" with a "r*apey but I like that about him" guy without actual fully talked out consent (just, by some miracle she wasnt upset like most women would be), when non-consensual suffocation and choking from a partner is one of the biggest indicators abuse is gonna escalate and possibly get fatal. It's something Ive experienced and it was one of the worst things Ive experienced.
@@Originalchiliconsensual non consent literally has CONSENT in it, are you that much blinded by horniness? Consensual non consent literally implies that there once a talk, where 2 sexual partners discussed is and where both parties set terms and agreed to those terms
Unsurprising. He's always been a dirtbag father. He sent her to go live with her 23 year old "boyfriend" when she was 15. He was investigated by the Department of Family Services and LAPD in connection with it and later bragged about not telling the truth to investigators. And who can forget the time he sold NFTs of her face with insults written over it in the most bizarre harassment campaign ever? Of course he's also close personal friends with Marylin Manson and Harvey Weinstein, still supports Roman Polanski, etc.
apparently the weeknd and Sam levinson had a female director/writer for the show and they got rid of her because “the show was in the female perspective” and the weeknd wanted it to be more about his character, which his character is like.. Really bad.. Tedros is truly one of the characters ever.
@@anonisnoone6125 I believe they meant that the show was focused on the main female characters perspective? Which kinda makes no sense bc..shes the main character..
Seems like almost everyone who's been asked about this refuted it. The Weeknd said his own character disgusted and disturbed him, and that he is in fact not the same as the character, it is called acting. Truly one of the twitter moments ever.
The craziest thing is that this show was nearly complete with another show-runner and apparently much more satirical. It really feels like they kept the satirized scripts but played them completely straight. The “hit song” is a perfect example.
We are in a reality where two shows are airing simultaneously which aim to be commentaries on exploitation in the entertainment industry and how stars are treated as both more and less than human - and it's the HBO show that is the poorly written, horny, gratuitous mess while the anime is the hard-hitting exposé
Oshi no Ko - it's a (sort of?) thriller anime about a Japanese's idol's secret, illegitimate children and their rise in show business, exploring the good, bad and ugly of everything from the idol industry to reality TV to internet fame
@@AttentionDeficitGuy you mean a cartoon about a Doctor that was obsessed with a teen celeb and when he was killed by her stalker he got reincarnated in to the same teen celeb he's obsessed withs baby along with his cancer patient being reincarnated in to the other baby she had and he watches his mother/the idol he's a fan of get murdered now he'll live his life searching for who got her killed whilst making his way through the industry along with his sister/ cancer patient trying to pursue the same idol life as the teen celebrity.......that HBO show certainly has it's flaws but none with even a single brain cell will somehow think that fantasy Japanese cartoon about a reincarnated doctor turned detective is somehow a Better depiction of the industry than the the idol.
charlie’s criticism aligns with exactly the reason they fired the first director. had they kept her, jocelyn’s story would be so much more interesting.
@@lox7923 That’s not really fair. They had filmed 80% of Amy Seimetz’s version before everything was scrapped and she left. Everything that has aired is from Sam Levinson, a director who is know for not even knowing what to shoot some days. It’s possible that the Seimetz’s version could have been tighter and more dramatic, and that the issues have come from Levinson redo everything and making it more sexual Edit: the issues that people are complaining about
@@lox7923 I think you’re taking it a bit literally, people are upset that it’s poorly written for a woman character so most women cannot relate to her, whereas before with the old director there was a much higher likelihood it would be realistic. When people say male lens they don’t mean it’s about a man or it focuses on a man too much, they mean the show is showing what specifically men want to see instead of writing for everyone on a human level. If most women cannot relate to a female character at all and can see blatant pointless fetishistic sexualization and see a lack of development or real care taken into exploring her character it’s most likely been written with a male lens. It is difficult for men to understand this because we are all limited to our perspectives and male characters (historically) have rarely been treated this way. I think part of the reason people are latching so much onto this show is because it’s claiming to be satirizing the exact problems it perpetuates.
FRRRR the fact that the original show was 80% completed and completely scrapped annoys me. We could’ve gotten a story miles better than this but “too much female gaze” or whatever
The audacity of the creators of this show to insist that it's "art". Everyone knows why you made the show, no amount of insisting it has a message makes up for how paper-thin that message is or the needlessly gratuitous way it depicts its story. It was a massive red flag when the female director left and The Weeknd said it was because the show was "lean[ing] too much into a female perspective", like a show with a female lead shouldn't be doing that. I honestly feel like the idea that spawned the series got replaced with this twisted wish fulfilment fantasy partway through production and all the series' heads lack the self-awareness to realise how that completely derails any sense of purpose the show might've had in the first place.
TBH these shows would probably still get so many more viewers if they were just advertised for what they are. can you imagine how big a fetish fantasy show would get amongst the pervs of the world lol idk why they have to subject some normal people tryna find a new show to watch to this shit. Kinda reminds me of Megan Is Missing, except a bit less harsh and much more drawn out. so obviously just a disgusting writer that wants to see a show ab everything they dream of so they can jerk off to it.
before changing the director the show was supposed to be about the dark side of the industry but they ended up filming boring porn and try to justify it by adding some goofy quotes such as "omg i hate making music", "why?", "you're definitely not working in the music industry"
That first plot point sounds wild. Basically she shows up to work, is asked to stick to the script of the photoshoot (you know, like any professional) and instead she gets mad and her and her team end up harassing a dude before locking him up she she can do what she wants. It feels like a really bad critique on the media industry about how you cant express your artistic freedom, but she also just signed up for work, refused to do so (and just dropped her clothes for no reason, which is an HR nightmare) in an industry where the big thing people like to criticize it about is how oversexualized the industry is
Charlie, I think you failed to touch on the reason this show is so controversial because you went into it blind. The director was changed last minute to Sam Levinson because the Weeknd believed that the show "was leaning too much towards the female perspective". There is a lot of r*pey things said in the show, and it feels like became a sick fantasy project by the directors. It's not bad because it's shot badly, it's bad because of its message
Honestly I’m just so upset that the creepy sexual parts of becoming more of the main plot than Dianne’s character taking her spot. Especially because this was supposed to be an acting debut for jennie and with her whole stage persona and reputation her playing a villain in a show was a rly good fit and potential to do well. That whole idea and plot of a friend/coworker betrayal in the industry is not only common but very interesting and flexible to work with. But all that went to crap with the writing of the show.
Not saying the line is ok but to be fair, some women do write like that sometimes as well 🤷🏻♀️ 365 days, twilight and fifty shades are all written by women and is clearly just the writer’s fetish. Those books depict creepy men (to varying degrees) preying on women and it’s depicted as attractive. Don’t know why it’s worse that a man wrote that line when women regularly write the same, if not worse lmao.
@fox_in_michigan its not worse when a man does it ( if we disgard the fact that men commit almost all rapes) but whats annoying is that the creators of the idol are trying to pass off their show as something more then a fetish show, it is a fetish show and it should solely be treated as such
@@fox_in_michigan8716 People think those things are creepy as well xD Unless they are into the fetish, but that's just a portion of people. Also there are social gender dynamics at play here too, but that's another story, for another day.
People are surprised Jennie's company didn't pull her from the project entirely, since kpop idols have such strict rules with what they can say/be involved in, etc. And I feel like that's even more telling of her as a person & and how much she's gotten caught up with the seemingly glamorous but actually disturbing nature of this industry the moment BP gained fame in the west. But it's literally not just her - it's a problem with all of the actors, and they should be held accountable for partaking in this shit.
In a sense I agree but also disagree as the comments under this do make sense too. But Jennie should have been pulled from the START, they know that sexual natured things don't fly in the kpop industry. And now she's being canceled over it(so I've read), like...we've been knowing what the shows context is, why now? 🤣🤣🤣 and then you have fans who claim that she should have had more lines just bc she's an idol... like yeah but this isn't kpop its an ODD American show in which a female director got fired..its not gonna fly like that. However, even aside this, BP is gonna be BP no shame in that. But jennie has a rep, she kinda does things like this, except this move specifically was unlike her, as its soft core porn and she usually goes for elegant but party girl stuff. She was pulled WAY too late IMO. People were gonna hate this either way but the involvement was iffy. Her CHARACTER though, was just a character. Its not who she really is, if anything im confused as to how far she got into this. If its kinda not good for her image or BP image, WHY get involved? Probably a good reason but I dont see it yet. Im kinda in the middle of this whole issue bc she's grown but ofc kpop is kpop and while she's still active, the opinions or whatever will STILL be relevant and thrown. We shouldn't hate her bc of the character she was given, its bad but so is the show. That's not her fault.
@@HobanProduction Well the fact that Jennie literally stated that she's a fan of all of Sam Levinson's work says quite alot about her as a person tbh. He makes nothing but disgusting p*rn disguised as television under the mask of good cinematography. All he does is sexualize his female and male actors and characters. The fact that she said she's a fan of that is quite troubling and definitely deserves criticism.
This show has the same premise as Showgirls did back in the day. "Hey let's just make a very boring and bland show but sprinkle in a bunch of nudity and kinky stuff with a grown up child star". The weeknd's character is like the dance guy from showgirls as well.
I find it hilarious that the show was originally supposed to be from a woman’s perspective - then she’s fired - they hire a guy.. and the first episode is about “Jizz on her face” that ultimately goes nowhere.
@@firstlast9846 They said it lent "too much into the female perspective." In a show starring a _woman._ Then fired the woman who was creating it, replaced her with some dude, and one of the lines in the very first episode (in response to the Weeknd acting like a Twitch mod meeting a woman streamer) is "I like that he's kind of r*pey." Mind bogglingly tone deaf. Women were cast, definitely none were consulted.
The big issue I have seen brought up is that the original female director was fired for focusing too much on the female perspective... The whole thing is calling out Hollywood misogyny but it came full circle by perpetuating it.
Imagine the excruciating experience of actually filming all this if you weren't Levinson, Abel or apparently Depp too. Just the most uncomfortable set on earth, even with an (apparently lame) intimacy coordinator
HBO Max doesn't care how bad the show is, so long as it generates attention and views. Look at Velma: one of the most reviled shows on any streaming network and people hate-watched the shit out of it. Do not watch the show. Do not pirate the show. Let bad shows die unloved and unwatched
@@lox7923 If the show isn't interesting, if the show is boring, if the show has very few good moments, if the show has major flaws in it's story, the show is by all means bad.
I pirated it out of morbid curiosity just to see how bad could it be? Well it's bad enough for me to even care for anything in it. It's just boring too.
They made fun of the intimacy coordinator for saying that everyone needs to consent and be ok with nudity at this work place and also to make sure she's 100% ok with it seeing she's gonna be nake surrounded by cloth people ya know maybe feeling vulnerable. Really fucking iffy that a guy famous for trying to have all the actress he works with nude all the time hates the guy who job is to make sure they and everyone else on set are ok..... kinda weird
@@lox7923 Mate... this is not an "ironic" thing, and even if it is... it's still terribly fucking written. Why the hell are you defending this show where the plot is literally "I wanna be as horny as possible"?
@@layton6202 there's other people but her that could be uncomfortable and afraid to say in front of a group so would uses the private signing to shut it down without risk. Just suddenly say "hey someones gonna be naked that ok" and getting a weak ya from the group isn't enough when they signed work contracts that didn't include that and wasn't mentioned when they were first signed up. Imagine signing up to a waiter at an event and then told you also have to mix drinks maybe that will change if you wanna do the job
“This show isn’t as bad as the critics say” I said the same thing until episode 3. The Epstein comment and the cringe ass porno scene with The Weeknd describing his genitalia was enough for me
I am convinced that this show is just a excuse for the writers to see woman do some weird kinky shit that they couldn't get their girlfriends to do themseleves.
All these shows remind me of that south park episode where they made fun of writers trying to be edgy and people perceiving it as deeply intellectual by writing a book called "The poop that took a pee." or something like that.
I wish people would just ignore shows like this. This is now one of those shows that became very successful despite (or because of) how bad it was rather than fading into obscurity like it should have. I better not see people complain when it inevitably gets a second season.
My genuine belief is if a show or movie feels the need to use booba to catch people's attention, it shows an excessive lack of confidence from the writers/directors' standpoint.
Imagine you look outside your window. The chilling fog rolls between the hills. You hear a sound, hollow as the empty plains. Faintly the intro to "Blinding Lights" echoes among the brush. You see a faint silhouette of a man. It's The Weeknd - out for blood and ready to put your week - to an end.
Adding a like and a comment for this exceptional pitch for the new Twilight Zone Series The only music I hear in my head when I see that clip of the scary, totally not r*pey looking guy in intimidating coat is the theme from Benny Hill. If someone could make that happen I'd be endlessly grateful
Intimacy Coordinators are SUCH an important and relatively new innovation in the performance sphere, and it is so nice to see them finally gaining traction. The fact that such a creep creates a show like this and IMMEDIATELY tries to present ICs in a negative light like a villain is extremely telling. 😬
Intimacy coordinators are the sensitivity readers of cinema: unnecessary censorship and people whose job already exist. Managers, agents, unions already existed to deal with this situation. If the cast is over 18, an intimacy coordinator is completely unnecessary.
@@ferretyluv Do you know what an intimacy coordinator does? The whole point of their job is so actors don't get exploited and so they can feel comfortable on a set or photoshoot. Exploitation doesn't just cease to exist once you turn 18. What a stupid argument.
@@ferretyluv it’s not just about the cast though, it’s also about the other crew members that work there. Also they are specifically there to make sure actors don’t get pressured by the very people you mentioned to do scenes they don’t feel comfortable doing.
@@ferretyluvof course, because famously adults can *never* be unsafe or uncomfortable when acting out a heavily sexual scene. Also managers are ALL definitely experienced and know everything about intimacy coordinated scenes/ they are always involved in keeping their talent safe. There definitely have never, ever, been any miscommunications or terrible managers. Girl, really? If you wanna watch pornography then watch pornography, film is film I get that. but not all sex scenes have to be “euphoria” or “the idol” levels of graphic-sometimes it’s literally too much and serves no purpose.
Biggest problem is the directors tried to base it off feminism when it was the complete opposite. Its like they were saying that women like being abused which disgusts me.
08:12 in case Charlie or anyone curious reads this, Hardware Acceleration might have been turned on in the browser settings- if that's the case, switching it off and restarting your browser will get rid of it. Just keep in mind that some things require hardware acceleration in order to function (e.g. camera filters/bg blurring for google meets calls), so you might wind up having to restart your browser repeatedly to do your day-to-day stuff. Cheers, and great video as always!
@sherwintavarez8539 1st time, was in Euphoria “She was 14 when she lost her virginity to a guy who was like…..40 - it sounds rapey- but she was the one in control” 2nd time, The Idol, it was reported that a scene had to be removed when Jocelyn asks Tedros to rape her to make her music better. 3rd time, Jocelyn friend “stay away from Tedros he has a weird, rapey vibe” to which Jocelyn then replies “Yh I like that about him tho”
-coz showing Actuall corn on stream = superbad -detailed description using obscene words = OMG so cool *kicker : make sure to mention as often as possible that it is "almost like" soft-corn.
@@DJReally 1. Its the weeknd. 2. Youre sensitive if you cant handle sex scenes. Just dont watch it, problem solved 3. Grow up 4. The weeknd is trying to show what happens in the hollywood scene. If you cant handle it, move on. Not your cup of tea. Thats fine.
I remembered how mad people were when the "blurred lines" music video came out, especially the uncensored version. Now people are mad that the intimacy coordinator didn't want her to show her tits on cable tv 🙄
The craziest thing about the creator of this show is that the 1st season of his other show Euphoria somehow has a budget of $165 million dollars. That's more than even the most expensive season of Game of Thrones. All for what basically is softcore pron and weird kink fantasy stuff seeing how the actors in Euphoria are portraying characters that are minors
Euphoria (Season 1) is a masterpiece. I believe that HBO saw the phenomenon it became, and for good reason, and gave him a blank check to do whatever Sam wanted to do The problem now is that Sam is the definition of a one-hit wonder, and now I realize, will never do another thing that will hit as hard as Euphoria S1
If there’s a whole six minute scene of Weeknd just walking up like he’s some kind of vengeful spirit, followed by that whole sex scene, gives me the impression that he thinks rather highly of himself
My only guide to those who haven't watched the 2nd episode is, please skip that shit, even if you're curious enough. That shit's corny and cringe, asf.
I want to like LRD’s character but it’s SO HARD to feel bad for her. She starts off rich and a model already so there’s no tension and no need for her to actually keep being a singer if it’s really that awful for her. The weekend’s character is obviously the worst thing in the show so far (can’t act and has the worst lines by FAR) but you can tell LRD actually kinda wanted to try. She isn’t doing press for this show and I totally understand why
@@krishanchoudhury wtf? the second season slapped, especially Zendaya's character's story arc & the episode where she's withdrawing and almost gets abducted, that was WAY better than anything in season 1 imho.
Nah, all of the actors and actresses are great in Euphoria. Though Zendaya’s performance in that Season 2 episode is absolutely phenomenal; I pray she does more dramatic roles.
Max sucks it crashes pretty much every time I use it like i'll be watching southpark and the screen will turn black but it will keep playing audio until I restart application. Its really creepy when you're watching tv with all the lights off because thats the only light in the room then its just gone.
The catch is? She's actually really good in the role. Which in this case it's actually bad thing since she shares tons of scenes with The Weeknd and his acting skills are abysmal. The contrast is so noticeable.
@@theunbearablejuan i just hope it doesnt sink her career. It's only because her dad is so massively famous. It's like if Lebron James son goes to the NBA and averages 4.3 points a game as a starter lol. I agree she does play the role well and convincingly so maybe that will help.
@@ItsSauIGoodman The problem is that Sam Levinson has two sides: The insightful guy or the wannabe edgelord that can't really be super edgy because he mostly panders to gen-Zers. The best episodes of Euphoria are the special ones with Jules and Rue. And the latter is nothing but Rue chatting with her sponsor at a diner for an hour. But it is so well written and it flows so naturally.
Literally begins with a meta-narrative on boobs where they basically try to say “if u don’t like this then ur not a real feminist cuz this fictional character wants it” It’s such a lame self insert for sam levenson’s controversy
Every time I hear someone talk about the Idol it sounds like it was written by Disney to show their actors as a PSA of what will happen to them if they ever stray away from their family friendly image
this show doesnt even seem fun bad to me, honestly, the only reason I got through even Charlie's summary is that he somehow is able to make boring things interesting enough to keep watching
It's not worth the risk , I'm 50 and 95 percent of the 100s of bad films I've seen were just boring , only a few were so terrible they were amusing, it's rare
@@earthwormjim420”Girly Show” Most people, including myself are only watching this for The Weeknd, anyways. I feel like the show is far too (unnecessarily) inappropriate to even lean into “girly” territories anyways.
HBO had gone weird with the winning streak of Last of Us-Succession-Barry for a while so now they went back to Velma-quality show default with the Idol.
The fact that there has been drama behind the scenes of Euphoria for Sam Levinson asking for too much nudity from his actresses makes the whole scene about showing boobs so much more ridiculous and gross. Clearly he is all about “bodily autonomy” but it’s like bro YOU wrote the show. Your CHARACTERS are the ones preaching bodily autonomy, but at least some of your actors are not exactly thrilled about having to show so much skin. Charlie I love how you called attention to the fact that the intimacy coordinator is framed as the bad guy when he is in fact just doing his job. This show seems just exploitative and it’s not just there is nudity and a lot of sex, but it’s the messaging saying basically that it’s not sexploitation cinema and that America wants and deserves lots of sex and nudity and it’s empowering and blah blah blah. It’s just wayyyy to far
The Weeknd when his show with a female protagonist “leans too much into the female perspective”: 😱😱😱 (Yes, he actually said that and got a new writer and director to rewrite and reshoot everything because of it)
I have to say, that I was actually really interested in the show at first, after I saw the Trailer. I thought they could explore a story about her life as a persona, showing her mental struggle of always performing as some ind of person while beginning to lose yourself. It could have been an interesting journey into the breaking of her psyche and let either inherit her role or find something different of value in her life. The dark sides of the industry could be explored accompanied with the alluring image of show-biz. While not entirely innovative of an idea, I really wanted to see how they would tackle this trope. The look of the show sold me even more. But sadly the show didn't deliver at all and seemed more like a veiled attempt for the writers to live out their sexual fantasies - it's actually ironic I guess, if you think about the environment of the show and how it is portrayed here ... I dropped it after the second episode, because I was just so fuckin' bored (and very much disappointed) :D Should have stayed with Oshi no Ko ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A cartoon about a creepy Doctor that got reincarnated in to the teem idols baby he was obsessed over thus watching her get murdered turns him in to a detective that's searching out for the person that caused her murder?......you're better of sticking with the idol weeb.
That's what they were selling with the trailer. That's what I expected and apparently, that's what it was about before they basically changed the whole thing. Like, the first season was almost complete and they fired people and remade the entire season and now we have this. Now I'm curious about what the show was like before the changes.
So this show is just boring p0rn? Also interesting how they villianise someone whos job it is to prevent actors from being s3xaully exploited... Hmmm, not a good look. Edit: oh this is made by the guy who mad euphoria, a show that has massive controversy with its actresses feeling s3xaully exploited. Not surprising the director hates someone whos job it is to prevent that.
I mean, The Weeknd’s whole brand is that he sees himself as the monster in a horror movie, so it doesn’t surprise me that his character’s entrance was framed like that
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This show feels like when your horny and daydreaming, but you can’t quite keep the storyline on track and you keep skipping to the sex and nudity. I actually hated it😭
Lmao what a way to put it
💀💀💀
why does this explanation fit perfectly 💀
THIS IS THE BEST EXPLANATION😭
Truly the best description of this dumpsterfire of a show
this entire show screams "writer's barely disguised fetish"
YESSS
what
tits?
Basically lmao
It's giving Marilyn Monroe biopic.
@Kevin García 😭damn bruh they just called it weird
the way sam levinson called it “the show of the year” his delusion isn’t even laughable anymore it’s just annoying
Going of your PFP I don't think you have room to be laughing about someone elses opinion on a good show.
@@layton6202 yet look how many people agree with her vs you 😢
@@longstrangetrip9920 was that suppose to mean something?
@@layton6202 making fun of someone for having an anime as their pfp?😂 ok boomer
Lol damn
I feel like the director couldn't find a porn video that satisfied his super weird and unusual ice cube fettish so he hired a team of actors to create his own.
That actually sounds pretty funny
Yes. The ice cube fetish, as you described it, is definitely odd. They’ve already used it twice.
I thought you meant Ice Cube 😂
Helltaker but without the talent
I'm surprised Charlie didn't mention the golden part where Jocelyn's friend/assistant goes "he gives me rapey vibes" talking about Tedros and Jocelyn says "I kinda like that about him" and then proceeds to invite him over 💀💀💀
yikes
whar
Holy shit 💀💀
Whoever wrote that line needs to be thrown in jail fr… and based off the creepy over-sexualisation in euphoria, I would be very unsurprised if it was Sam Levinson who wrote that line.
@@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy true
The Weeknd’s own subreddit has been absolutely shredding this thing for months now since the first promo. You know it’s bad when the artist’s own sub has turned
You are right, man. I often enter his subreddit for memes, and I know how these guys been trashing the show. It's good to watch, though. Atleast they are not being like Kpop fans, blindly following their favorite artists.
@@tomfoolerysbignuts3436 isn't there a ton of drama with Jennie too precisely because they don't like her in this show?
@@andreaoak Idk bout her subreddit. But some of my friends listen to her and they're like... acting like a blind follower saying that Jennie did a really phenomenal acting. And that's actually some crazy fan shi..
His Instagram is a different story, so many dickriders in the comments
@@tomfoolerysbignuts3436I’m a K-pop Stan and yea, it’s so weird.
Jocelyn is a hard character to sympathize and care for when you realise her lorewise fanbase are ACTUAL 14 YEAR OLD GIRLS and she wants to release a song about freaky sex and being wild to them and making a video butt naked . At this point the nudity coordinator was the only person I liked and he had 10 seconds of screen time
the point of the show is to show how women in the music industry are manipulated
@@stuupyisntrealmanipulated?
Didn’t know anyone had a gun to their heads 😂 ironically it’s like the hooker who has no problems until she finds out the pimp makes more than she thought or she can’t be his chosen one.... then you hear the victim stories spanning over years or even decades ago
Or easier example, the McDonald’s worker or waiter/waitress that purposely gets a low end job then expects tips or to be worshiped for this JOB because they see other living good... knowing full well what job THEY applied for 😂😂
Thats literally britney spears story arc u clown😂. U read her lyrics? Man you are slow af
Good thing I'm 15
@@stuupyisntreal Im sorry but she is not manipulated . When the nudity manager told her to dress up she said she doesn't want to , when her managers told her "you can't release this song that's basically softcore porn to 14 year old " she said she wants to . If it was a scenario where Jocelyn is a sweet innocent girl who just wants to sing but evil managers force her to be sexualized and to sing dirty songs to minors cause they sell I would agree and symphatize with her but she sexualizes herself and she's only making dumb decisions . "I like that he has a rapey vibe" WHO TF EVEN SAYS THAT ????
The show was actually originally being directed by Amy Seimetz and focused on Jocelyn’s industry troubles (the main parts of Episode 2). Sam Levinson and The Weeknd then led a creative overhaul and introduced Tedros and all of the softcore stuff. It literally feels like two shows mashed together.
And you can definitely tell which scenes were kept and reshot while watching Episode 2. The music video shoot scene was the best part of the episode, and it had me convinced that the show would get better, until Tedros showed up.
@@halloweenfriday Exactly! And it annoyed me because the music video stuff was easily the best part of the episode, but it just got brushed aside for that cringey stuff at the end 🤢🤮.
@@dajuiceman8870 I really hope we get a director’s cut of this series, with all of Amy Seimetz’s scenes shot and restored. But, I have a feeling we won’t be getting that for a while. Such a shame, because there’s a good show dug deep in there under all of that garbage.
yeah previously it was supposed to make the audience think of the negative sides of sexual exploitation and misogyny in the industry.. now with the help of the weeknd, the audience is looking at sexual exploitation with rose-tinted glasses
Yup, needless sexualisation and general weirdness, sounds a hell of a lot like Sam Levinson. This guy really loves to write soft core
It's wild that they villanized an intimacy coordinator for doing their job in a scene that most definitly had an actual intimacy coordinator on set.
I’m not defending the show.. but I think that’s the point.. the only logical voice is shut out in place of people who are literally leaching off of her.
@@firstlast9846 Oh I totally didn't catch the meaning of that scene. Makes sense.
@@firstlast9846 My biggest problem with this argument is the fact that the show fetishizes rape and Sam Levinson rewrote what was supposed to be a female empowerment story (originally created by a woman) and turned it into borderline torture porn.
So by demonizing the intimacy coordinator, they're basically feeding into the allegations that Sam is a gross person who fetishizes rape.
@@manband20 nasty ass shit
@manband20 - I’m not arguing on that front *Sam’s a certified weirdo* but some of these things have been a little misunderstood.. perhaps that scene of her team kicking out the only sane person in the room - - was used in the original script - and it carried over here in some capacity. Not sure.
"It's sometimes fun bad, but mostly bad bad" spoken like a true artist
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Don't read my name.!.....
This man was made for creating catchy reviews of bad, bad stories, I swear.
But is it fun bad bad?
I don't understand why so many people choose to be lazy writers. They just write a bunch of horny cr*p down and film it but if they truly wanted to make a decent show with sexual themes/content, there's a billion ways to do it properly.
At this point writers of fanfiction are doing a better job than screen writers. Just look at Ao3, It's literally ART!!
@@RandomSwiftie13 Fanfictions are cringe.
@@tomfoolerysbignuts3436And this show isn’t? At least they’re better written.
@@Zonic3451what are you reading
@@anastasiaekimova5101 AO3. I never said all fanfictions are better written. I’m saying that there are ones written better than this show.
this show really made me view the weeknd's music differently as well. i know he's just playing a character but the way a lot of his music is sexually charged, i cant hep but feel there's some overlap between him, his music, and the character he's playing. just makes me feel ickyyy
I meannnnn...he does have a fetish for drug addicting skinny white girls, his role isn't surprising but so cringy and musty
It’s his weird angleface that does it for me.
The recoil to the “little pussy” line was definitely the way many of us felt hearing that probably 💀
Definitely probably
Full body cringe
Why HBO keeps changing it's app name every year is a true mystery
They wanted to disconnect the HBO brand with the shit from Discovery which is also going to be available in the same streaming service
It bumps them to the top of the downloads on the app stores.
It's been like over 2 years of massive media mergers now. It's time warner restructuring assets
It isn't though... people thought HBO and HBO Max were the same thing when they always two separate entities. HBO is a cable network and HBO Max is a streaming platform that had HBO content and a whole lot more. The mistake was calling it HBO Max in the first place.
They got bought out
the way charlie keeps laughing mid sentence when talking about the sexual scenes is so funny
📣Gratuitous nudity =/= art 📣 When this show was first announced, it sounded really interesting. Back then I thought it was gonna be character-driven, and show how power dynamics can influence people's actions. It could have been a thought-provoking series about how cults recruit their members when they're at their lowest ebb. But the showrunners decided to take it in a different, much shallower direction to the point where it's just a male power fantasy. Disappointed does not even begin to cover it 😒
Of this is a male power fantasy, what is fifty shades of Grey? Which was written by a woman?
@@Originalchili I didn't say anything about 50 Shades of Grey? 50 Shades has its own issues that I'm not going to go into. My issue is The Idol's writers clearly don't see women as people; just sex objects that need to be dominated. Which is a shame because as I said in my original comment, this show had a really promising premise. In the right hands, this could've been on par with Breaking Bad.
@@Originalchili Yeah tbh most of the sexual shows are written by women, for a perfect example, 365 days, and some Fanfictions.
this makes more sense when you find out it was originally set to be directed by a woman who wanted it to be a “a troubled starlet falling victim to a predatory industry figure and fighting to reclaim her own agency” but after Levinson took over it was described by crew members as being basically reduced to a male r@pe fantasy
@@jinna321 all of what you said is fiction you're just regurgitating from what other people have said when non of it is actually true, that very same director approved of the writing that Sam did.
Sounds like the writer is living out his fantasies through the show.
wouldn't be the first time he has tbh lol...
@GeorgBrapson-vl9zy Yeah, that's disgusting. Ultra omega disgusting. Even Mojo Jojo wouldn't be that gross.
@Georg Brapson those were different people but yeah poor franchise can't get a break
@@froglegstastebestsaltedthankfully Craig McCracken along with the majority of the original crew are in the charge of the newest reboot of the show, so we're gonna heal from those awful memories.
its the same guy who made euphoria. he can barely disguise his exploitation fetish.
Charlie going full caveman "AWOOGA! AWOOGA!" never ceases to throw me off guard
Don't read my name.!......
Not the past the future, it's from Red Dwarf.
It has meme potential
@Patrick39 bot
It makes me cvm
If you ever feel useless, just remember that people actually worked on this show
Lol 💀
I mean they got paid well while you on the other hand
@@layton6202nahh i'd rather keep my pride as a decent human being rather than losing it working on a trashy show 😂
@@CM-dx6xu telling me you’ll keep your pride as a decent person means nothing cuz I can neither confirm or deny that.
@@layton6202 its more like personal value or principle, everyone has their own standards
Fun fact, the house they are shooting in. Is actually TheWeeknds house. Honestly I just take this show as a "what not to do" scenario. Like these things probably do happen so shining light on a lot of these is kind of alright. But could have been done a different way to show awareness of these issues.
Im kinda concerned that the intimacy worker was seen as the villain when his job is to protect people from being sexual exploited
Edit, i also just realised that this show was produced by WB, which was at like the centre for the me2 movement with Harvey weinstein. Might not be that deep but some how make me more disappointed about a show I didn't even care about in the first place.
and what’s worse is that people are defending it by saying it’s a commentary on how her managers are okay with her being exploited but that argument falls apart when Jocelyn’s explains that she’s mad because she sees it as “policing her body” 😭
@@catloverandminionbeliever isint that the point? to show that she is not mentally there?
@@catloverandminionbeliever that sounds like modern women to me really. Its a reflection lol
@@catloverandminionbelieverI could see a wannabe sexually liberated celebrity girl having that way of thinking.
@@TheSourcerer99 i think you’re giving sam levinson too much credit. from how i see it, i think he wrote it with this full intent thinking it would earn praise or be edgy when really it just sounds stupid. if it was what he was going for he should’ve put more emphasis on it and clarify things instead of making the audience go through obstacles to understand what he’s trying to say. 😭
“i came into the restaurant to order the poop, but i got served the pee instead” Charlies quotes never fail to make me laugh lmao
Ok
This part on 8:07 reminds me of a quest from South Park The Fractured but Whole
Happy Birthday Grimace from McDonald’s!
words of wisdom from a wise man
I read this the moment he said it and I felt like I ascended and also got dragged to hell, a true feeling of limbo
it's really concerning that they portrayed her doing "breath play" with a "r*apey but I like that about him" guy without actual fully talked out consent (just, by some miracle she wasnt upset like most women would be), when non-consensual suffocation and choking from a partner is one of the biggest indicators abuse is gonna escalate and possibly get fatal. It's something Ive experienced and it was one of the worst things Ive experienced.
Sorry that happened to you. Consent always matters in these types of "play".
Many women do like cnc, 62% of women actually report to having fantasies of that kink
@@Originalchili yeah, but breath play should be discussed before
@@Originalchiliconsensual non consent literally has CONSENT in it, are you that much blinded by horniness? Consensual non consent literally implies that there once a talk, where 2 sexual partners discussed is and where both parties set terms and agreed to those terms
@@OriginalchiliCNC is based around consent though. The initial consent. There was no initial consent.
What's wild and very weird for me is that lily asked her dad what he thought of the script and he loved it and even encouraged her
Her dad lol
bro you mean johnny depp?
@@user-bx3uf4fv7l obviously lily rose depps dad is Johnny depp
Hollywood brainrot.
Unsurprising. He's always been a dirtbag father. He sent her to go live with her 23 year old "boyfriend" when she was 15. He was investigated by the Department of Family Services and LAPD in connection with it and later bragged about not telling the truth to investigators. And who can forget the time he sold NFTs of her face with insults written over it in the most bizarre harassment campaign ever? Of course he's also close personal friends with Marylin Manson and Harvey Weinstein, still supports Roman Polanski, etc.
Sam Levinson is the Dan Schneider of HBO
Sam "I don't care if her hymen is on" Levinson
Sam "just like putting a wig on my teenage son" Levinson
Sam "stop crying, the show must go on" Levinson
He’s Harvey Weinstein’s illegitimate son
@@ELTABULLO Sir this is a Wendy's
apparently the weeknd and Sam levinson had a female director/writer for the show and they got rid of her because “the show was in the female perspective” and the weeknd wanted it to be more about his character, which his character is like.. Really bad.. Tedros is truly one of the characters ever.
What is the "female perspective" supposed to be?
I heard that the female director liked Sam's version more than her own.
(Also Tedros is such a disgusting villain that I can't not love him)
@@anonisnoone6125 I believe they meant that the show was focused on the main female characters perspective? Which kinda makes no sense bc..shes the main character..
Seems like almost everyone who's been asked about this refuted it. The Weeknd said his own character disgusted and disturbed him, and that he is in fact not the same as the character, it is called acting. Truly one of the twitter moments ever.
@@dyslexicstoner2408 yeah, no shit he's acting. I know his creepiness is on purpose! I still don't like his character and I think it's awful.
The craziest thing is that this show was nearly complete with another show-runner and apparently much more satirical. It really feels like they kept the satirized scripts but played them completely straight. The “hit song” is a perfect example.
Interesting
We are in a reality where two shows are airing simultaneously which aim to be commentaries on exploitation in the entertainment industry and how stars are treated as both more and less than human - and it's the HBO show that is the poorly written, horny, gratuitous mess while the anime is the hard-hitting exposé
This is why I watch anime.
Whats the other show?
Oshi no Ko - it's a (sort of?) thriller anime about a Japanese's idol's secret, illegitimate children and their rise in show business, exploring the good, bad and ugly of everything from the idol industry to reality TV to internet fame
@@AttentionDeficitGuy you mean a cartoon about a Doctor that was obsessed with a teen celeb and when he was killed by her stalker he got reincarnated in to the same teen celeb he's obsessed withs baby along with his cancer patient being reincarnated in to the other baby she had and he watches his mother/the idol he's a fan of get murdered now he'll live his life searching for who got her killed whilst making his way through the industry along with his sister/ cancer patient trying to pursue the same idol life as the teen celebrity.......that HBO show certainly has it's flaws but none with even a single brain cell will somehow think that fantasy Japanese cartoon about a reincarnated doctor turned detective is somehow a Better depiction of the industry than the the idol.
@@livvyheartex read my description to the ops comment
charlie’s criticism aligns with exactly the reason they fired the first director. had they kept her, jocelyn’s story would be so much more interesting.
Don't read my name.!.....
@@lox7923 That’s not really fair. They had filmed 80% of Amy Seimetz’s version before everything was scrapped and she left. Everything that has aired is from Sam Levinson, a director who is know for not even knowing what to shoot some days. It’s possible that the Seimetz’s version could have been tighter and more dramatic, and that the issues have come from Levinson redo everything and making it more sexual
Edit: the issues that people are complaining about
@@lox7923 I think you’re taking it a bit literally, people are upset that it’s poorly written for a woman character so most women cannot relate to her, whereas before with the old director there was a much higher likelihood it would be realistic. When people say male lens they don’t mean it’s about a man or it focuses on a man too much, they mean the show is showing what specifically men want to see instead of writing for everyone on a human level. If most women cannot relate to a female character at all and can see blatant pointless fetishistic sexualization and see a lack of development or real care taken into exploring her character it’s most likely been written with a male lens. It is difficult for men to understand this because we are all limited to our perspectives and male characters (historically) have rarely been treated this way. I think part of the reason people are latching so much onto this show is because it’s claiming to be satirizing the exact problems it perpetuates.
Is this the truth or just a rumor?
FRRRR the fact that the original show was 80% completed and completely scrapped annoys me. We could’ve gotten a story miles better than this but “too much female gaze” or whatever
The audacity of the creators of this show to insist that it's "art". Everyone knows why you made the show, no amount of insisting it has a message makes up for how paper-thin that message is or the needlessly gratuitous way it depicts its story. It was a massive red flag when the female director left and The Weeknd said it was because the show was "lean[ing] too much into a female perspective", like a show with a female lead shouldn't be doing that. I honestly feel like the idea that spawned the series got replaced with this twisted wish fulfilment fantasy partway through production and all the series' heads lack the self-awareness to realise how that completely derails any sense of purpose the show might've had in the first place.
@@lox7923Money.
i know “our lead characters a woman. but absolutely don’t have it be all around HER”
TBH these shows would probably still get so many more viewers if they were just advertised for what they are. can you imagine how big a fetish fantasy show would get amongst the pervs of the world lol idk why they have to subject some normal people tryna find a new show to watch to this shit.
Kinda reminds me of Megan Is Missing, except a bit less harsh and much more drawn out. so obviously just a disgusting writer that wants to see a show ab everything they dream of so they can jerk off to it.
@@GG-kn2se Men usually don't know how to write women. It's because a lot of men are disgusting pigs who want to maintain a power fantasy of theirs.
@@delilahmaner4222 so tell me why shows with male leading roles have everything revolved about that one character
Honestly, it's giving me a cuties vibe when that show became exactly what it was trying to critique.
before changing the director the show was supposed to be about the dark side of the industry but they ended up filming boring porn and try to justify it by adding some goofy quotes such as "omg i hate making music", "why?", "you're definitely not working in the music industry"
That first plot point sounds wild. Basically she shows up to work, is asked to stick to the script of the photoshoot (you know, like any professional) and instead she gets mad and her and her team end up harassing a dude before locking him up she she can do what she wants. It feels like a really bad critique on the media industry about how you cant express your artistic freedom, but she also just signed up for work, refused to do so (and just dropped her clothes for no reason, which is an HR nightmare) in an industry where the big thing people like to criticize it about is how oversexualized the industry is
The "funniest" part is its mocking the boards and systems that are presumably used to keep women safe on set from what I can tell?????
@@MICHAELJACKSONROCKZ???
@ScoobyDoobyDoo. ??
@@TheByrd first time seeing comment bots?
@@phucyuho2807 you can tell from 5 words that he's a bot?
That's fucking wild
Max is seriously good at making bad shows. First Velma , and now we get The Idol.
the idol is hbo btw
@@ayman6694 max is hbo lol
@@ayman6694HBO max changed its name to just “max” for some dumb reason, Charlie catches himself saying HBO at the start lol
They’ve had Barry and Succession in the same year.. it can slide.
@@firstlast9846 They're also both over.
Charlie, I think you failed to touch on the reason this show is so controversial because you went into it blind. The director was changed last minute to Sam Levinson because the Weeknd believed that the show "was leaning too much towards the female perspective". There is a lot of r*pey things said in the show, and it feels like became a sick fantasy project by the directors. It's not bad because it's shot badly, it's bad because of its message
Honestly I’m just so upset that the creepy sexual parts of becoming more of the main plot than Dianne’s character taking her spot. Especially because this was supposed to be an acting debut for jennie and with her whole stage persona and reputation her playing a villain in a show was a rly good fit and potential to do well. That whole idea and plot of a friend/coworker betrayal in the industry is not only common but very interesting and flexible to work with. But all that went to crap with the writing of the show.
we live in an age where a show can clearly be made with shock value in mind and still be pretty boring
my least favorite line written by a man for a female actor :
" _he's kinda rapey. I kinda like that about him_ "
...ok
FOR REAL. Sam Leveson is a menace
Not saying the line is ok but to be fair, some women do write like that sometimes as well 🤷🏻♀️ 365 days, twilight and fifty shades are all written by women and is clearly just the writer’s fetish. Those books depict creepy men (to varying degrees) preying on women and it’s depicted as attractive. Don’t know why it’s worse that a man wrote that line when women regularly write the same, if not worse lmao.
@fox_in_michigan its not worse when a man does it ( if we disgard the fact that men commit almost all rapes) but whats annoying is that the creators of the idol are trying to pass off their show as something more then a fetish show, it is a fetish show and it should solely be treated as such
@@fox_in_michigan8716 People think those things are creepy as well xD Unless they are into the fetish, but that's just a portion of people. Also there are social gender dynamics at play here too, but that's another story, for another day.
@@fox_in_michigan8716 A majority of the time that a guy writes a girl is about her sexual bits and bops.
People are surprised Jennie's company didn't pull her from the project entirely, since kpop idols have such strict rules with what they can say/be involved in, etc. And I feel like that's even more telling of her as a person & and how much she's gotten caught up with the seemingly glamorous but actually disturbing nature of this industry the moment BP gained fame in the west.
But it's literally not just her - it's a problem with all of the actors, and they should be held accountable for partaking in this shit.
She wants that hollywood gig so bad
youre overeacting bruh
In a sense I agree but also disagree as the comments under this do make sense too. But Jennie should have been pulled from the START, they know that sexual natured things don't fly in the kpop industry. And now she's being canceled over it(so I've read), like...we've been knowing what the shows context is, why now? 🤣🤣🤣 and then you have fans who claim that she should have had more lines just bc she's an idol... like yeah but this isn't kpop its an ODD American show in which a female director got fired..its not gonna fly like that. However, even aside this, BP is gonna be BP no shame in that. But jennie has a rep, she kinda does things like this, except this move specifically was unlike her, as its soft core porn and she usually goes for elegant but party girl stuff. She was pulled WAY too late IMO. People were gonna hate this either way but the involvement was iffy. Her CHARACTER though, was just a character. Its not who she really is, if anything im confused as to how far she got into this. If its kinda not good for her image or BP image, WHY get involved? Probably a good reason but I dont see it yet. Im kinda in the middle of this whole issue bc she's grown but ofc kpop is kpop and while she's still active, the opinions or whatever will STILL be relevant and thrown. We shouldn't hate her bc of the character she was given, its bad but so is the show. That's not her fault.
@@HobanProduction Well the fact that Jennie literally stated that she's a fan of all of Sam Levinson's work says quite alot about her as a person tbh. He makes nothing but disgusting p*rn disguised as television under the mask of good cinematography. All he does is sexualize his female and male actors and characters. The fact that she said she's a fan of that is quite troubling and definitely deserves criticism.
Once you sign is not so easy to give up
This show has the same premise as Showgirls did back in the day. "Hey let's just make a very boring and bland show but sprinkle in a bunch of nudity and kinky stuff with a grown up child star".
The weeknd's character is like the dance guy from showgirls as well.
"she took it on the chin" was an awful choice of words to describe Jocelyns reaction to her picture being leaked 😭💀
edit: by awful i mean funny yes
If Charlie didn’t say that, it wouldn’t be a complete penguinz0 video
I find it hilarious that the show was originally supposed to be from a woman’s perspective - then she’s fired - they hire a guy.. and the first episode is about “Jizz on her face” that ultimately goes nowhere.
@@firstlast9846 DUDDEEE NO WAYY 😭it's almost worse than a white knight perspective in that show would be
Nah it was perfect. You're wrong.
@@firstlast9846 They said it lent "too much into the female perspective." In a show starring a _woman._ Then fired the woman who was creating it, replaced her with some dude, and one of the lines in the very first episode (in response to the Weeknd acting like a Twitch mod meeting a woman streamer) is "I like that he's kind of r*pey."
Mind bogglingly tone deaf. Women were cast, definitely none were consulted.
The big issue I have seen brought up is that the original female director was fired for focusing too much on the female perspective... The whole thing is calling out Hollywood misogyny but it came full circle by perpetuating it.
"I ordered the poop but I got the pee." Is definitely my favorite sentence of the week.
Imagine the excruciating experience of actually filming all this if you weren't Levinson, Abel or apparently Depp too. Just the most uncomfortable set on earth, even with an (apparently lame) intimacy coordinator
HBO Max doesn't care how bad the show is, so long as it generates attention and views. Look at Velma: one of the most reviled shows on any streaming network and people hate-watched the shit out of it.
Do not watch the show. Do not pirate the show. Let bad shows die unloved and unwatched
It’s probably gonna get a season 2 just like Velma 😂
If you're wondering about the Velma show, turns out a lot of it was just her tripping on fumes.
@@lox7923 If the show isn't interesting, if the show is boring, if the show has very few good moments, if the show has major flaws in it's story, the show is by all means bad.
@@lox7923 some trash shows are so trash that they become entertaining. The idol is not one of them.
I pirated it out of morbid curiosity just to see how bad could it be? Well it's bad enough for me to even care for anything in it. It's just boring too.
They made fun of the intimacy coordinator for saying that everyone needs to consent and be ok with nudity at this work place and also to make sure she's 100% ok with it seeing she's gonna be nake surrounded by cloth people ya know maybe feeling vulnerable.
Really fucking iffy that a guy famous for trying to have all the actress he works with nude all the time hates the guy who job is to make sure they and everyone else on set are ok..... kinda weird
It's like they tried to expose bad elements in the acting industry only to expose that THEY were the problem with the industry instead
Don't read my name.!.....
@@lox7923 Mate... this is not an "ironic" thing, and even if it is... it's still terribly fucking written.
Why the hell are you defending this show where the plot is literally "I wanna be as horny as possible"?
She said she was cool with it.
@@layton6202 there's other people but her that could be uncomfortable and afraid to say in front of a group so would uses the private signing to shut it down without risk. Just suddenly say "hey someones gonna be naked that ok" and getting a weak ya from the group isn't enough when they signed work contracts that didn't include that and wasn't mentioned when they were first signed up.
Imagine signing up to a waiter at an event and then told you also have to mix drinks maybe that will change if you wanna do the job
“This show isn’t as bad as the critics say” I said the same thing until episode 3. The Epstein comment and the cringe ass porno scene with The Weeknd describing his genitalia was enough for me
"Sex sells"... in the 90's. In the 2000's people go to porn sites to see sex and avoid sexual tv shows to avoid revisiting the porn site.
I am convinced that this show is just a excuse for the writers to see woman do some weird kinky shit that they couldn't get their girlfriends to do themseleves.
Yep
I mean..to go that far just for a fetish?, we've got porn and hookers so any fetishes could potentially happen
that's absolutely what's going on
You're implying they had girlfriends to begin with.
I doubt they have girlfriends
All these shows remind me of that south park episode where they made fun of writers trying to be edgy and people perceiving it as deeply intellectual by writing a book called "The poop that took a pee." or something like that.
Fr
The poop that took a pee.
@@Gatorade69 ah yeah, that. Lol.
The Ballad of Scroatie McBoogerballs or something.
The ballad of scrootie mcboogerballs
I wish people would just ignore shows like this. This is now one of those shows that became very successful despite (or because of) how bad it was rather than fading into obscurity like it should have. I better not see people complain when it inevitably gets a second season.
Glad to see I was completely wrong.
My genuine belief is if a show or movie feels the need to use booba to catch people's attention, it shows an excessive lack of confidence from the writers/directors' standpoint.
Imagine you look outside your window. The chilling fog rolls between the hills. You hear a sound, hollow as the empty plains. Faintly the intro to "Blinding Lights" echoes among the brush. You see a faint silhouette of a man. It's The Weeknd - out for blood and ready to put your week - to an end.
🔥✍️✍️✍️
Adding a like and a comment for this exceptional pitch for the new Twilight Zone Series
The only music I hear in my head when I see that clip of the scary, totally not r*pey looking guy in intimidating coat is the theme from Benny Hill. If someone could make that happen I'd be endlessly grateful
@@HorrorHermitofHell i’ll try
@NeedyBoBeedy another commentor suggested Blade so now I've got a warped techno version of Benny Hill *oontz oontz oontzing*
better writing than the actual show
Intimacy Coordinators are SUCH an important and relatively new innovation in the performance sphere, and it is so nice to see them finally gaining traction.
The fact that such a creep creates a show like this and IMMEDIATELY tries to present ICs in a negative light like a villain is extremely telling. 😬
You say that like a sexless gremlin
Intimacy coordinators are the sensitivity readers of cinema: unnecessary censorship and people whose job already exist. Managers, agents, unions already existed to deal with this situation. If the cast is over 18, an intimacy coordinator is completely unnecessary.
@@ferretyluv Do you know what an intimacy coordinator does? The whole point of their job is so actors don't get exploited and so they can feel comfortable on a set or photoshoot. Exploitation doesn't just cease to exist once you turn 18. What a stupid argument.
@@ferretyluv it’s not just about the cast though, it’s also about the other crew members that work there. Also they are specifically there to make sure actors don’t get pressured by the very people you mentioned to do scenes they don’t feel comfortable doing.
@@ferretyluvof course, because famously adults can *never* be unsafe or uncomfortable when acting out a heavily sexual scene. Also managers are ALL definitely experienced and know everything about intimacy coordinated scenes/ they are always involved in keeping their talent safe. There definitely have never, ever, been any miscommunications or terrible managers.
Girl, really?
If you wanna watch pornography then watch pornography, film is film I get that. but not all sex scenes have to be “euphoria” or “the idol” levels of graphic-sometimes it’s literally too much and serves no purpose.
Biggest problem is the directors tried to base it off feminism when it was the complete opposite. Its like they were saying that women like being abused which disgusts me.
08:12 in case Charlie or anyone curious reads this, Hardware Acceleration might have been turned on in the browser settings- if that's the case, switching it off and restarting your browser will get rid of it. Just keep in mind that some things require hardware acceleration in order to function (e.g. camera filters/bg blurring for google meets calls), so you might wind up having to restart your browser repeatedly to do your day-to-day stuff. Cheers, and great video as always!
*That’s 3 times now* that Sam Levinson has written dialogue where rape is a kink 🤨
Wait, what were the 3 times?
@@SweetMangoMuncher rape was literally part of the dialogue tho? MC said she liked his rapeyness(?)
@sherwintavarez8539
1st time, was in Euphoria “She was 14 when she lost her virginity to a guy who was like…..40 - it sounds rapey- but she was the one in control”
2nd time, The Idol, it was reported that a scene had to be removed when Jocelyn asks Tedros to rape her to make her music better.
3rd time, Jocelyn friend “stay away from Tedros he has a weird, rapey vibe” to which Jocelyn then replies “Yh I like that about him tho”
Oh I thought the guy also made "The Girl in the Basement"
There isn’t any rape in the show (so far).
man, the way charlie explains the show is way more exhilarating than ACTUALLY watching it.
Don't read my name.!.....
-coz showing Actuall corn on stream = superbad
-detailed description using obscene words = OMG so cool
*kicker : make sure to mention as often as possible that it is "almost like" soft-corn.
@@DJReally 1. Its the weeknd.
2. Youre sensitive if you cant handle sex scenes. Just dont watch it, problem solved
3. Grow up
4. The weeknd is trying to show what happens in the hollywood scene. If you cant handle it, move on. Not your cup of tea. Thats fine.
@@DJReallythe show is badly written, Game of thrones had explicit scenes but did well and a lot of people liked (except the ending of course)
Literally the reason I love this channel
this review of the show is way more entertaining than the actual show like Charlie's having a blast describing the goofiness of the show
I remembered how mad people were when the "blurred lines" music video came out, especially the uncensored version. Now people are mad that the intimacy coordinator didn't want her to show her tits on cable tv 🙄
"Honkers go bonkers."
My mastery of the English language deepens everyday
The craziest thing about the creator of this show is that the 1st season of his other show Euphoria somehow has a budget of $165 million dollars. That's more than even the most expensive season of Game of Thrones. All for what basically is softcore pron and weird kink fantasy stuff seeing how the actors in Euphoria are portraying characters that are minors
I was SO skeeved out by Euphoria. It was like Cuties on coke and mollies. Just creeped me out.
this is the guy behind Euphoria? a lot of blanks were suddenly just filled in...
find out who is funding these shows. Chances are they were good pals with Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell.
Euphoria (Season 1) is a masterpiece.
I believe that HBO saw the phenomenon it became, and for good reason, and gave him a blank check to do whatever Sam wanted to do
The problem now is that Sam is the definition of a one-hit wonder, and now I realize, will never do another thing that will hit as hard as Euphoria S1
@@LilyMuRB since when is underage teens fucking and doing drugs considered a "masterpiece"?
As someone named Jocelyn, it hurts my soul knowing that the main characters name is also that ;-;
If there’s a whole six minute scene of Weeknd just walking up like he’s some kind of vengeful spirit, followed by that whole sex scene, gives me the impression that he thinks rather highly of himself
There was no sex scene in the first episode. Just him getting weirdly touchy with Lily’s character.
its like, this barely even feels like a show, it feels like some dumb underground project that just happened to surface, like that level of awfulness.
That’s… strangely accurate
Don't read my name.!.....
Idk how charlie gave it so much credit, its ASS
I could’ve gone my whole life without having to hear The Weeknd say all that outa pocket shit he said in episode 2 💀
My only guide to those who haven't watched the 2nd episode is, please skip that shit, even if you're curious enough. That shit's corny and cringe, asf.
I need more info lol like what does he say 😂
we need to know 😂
@@christian8552 literally what Charlie said in the video but the weekend says it in the worst way possible.
@@christian8552 it's things you've heard in porno's vanilla ones at that... I was disappointed at the outcome given how dramatic everyone was.
I want to like LRD’s character but it’s SO HARD to feel bad for her. She starts off rich and a model already so there’s no tension and no need for her to actually keep being a singer if it’s really that awful for her. The weekend’s character is obviously the worst thing in the show so far (can’t act and has the worst lines by FAR) but you can tell LRD actually kinda wanted to try. She isn’t doing press for this show and I totally understand why
I love how the writer's strike is visibly noticeable
the idol makes it clear just how much euphoria is carried by zendaya
Euphoria is actually good, the idol is not
@@krishanchoudhury wtf? the second season slapped, especially Zendaya's character's story arc & the episode where she's withdrawing and almost gets abducted, that was WAY better than anything in season 1 imho.
Nah, all of the actors and actresses are great in Euphoria. Though Zendaya’s performance in that Season 2 episode is absolutely phenomenal; I pray she does more dramatic roles.
Nah, the first season is sick because it was quite literally a remake of the Israeli show Euphoria, that's why the second one sucks
@@husker4life109 euphoria is so overrated. Sam Levinson cannot write dialogue
Hearing Charlie talk about boobies like a 12 year old is fantastic.
AWOOOOGA!!
hers arent even great though. i mean theyre there, but thats about all you can say about them
Him looking like an actual 12 year old trying to disguise himself as his dad only makes it better
@@user-zh4vo1kw1z what
@@bradhaines3142So random v
The only thing I know about that show is that Jennie from Blackpink is in it
Max sucks it crashes pretty much every time I use it like i'll be watching southpark and the screen will turn black but it will keep playing audio until I restart application. Its really creepy when you're watching tv with all the lights off because thats the only light in the room then its just gone.
"I ordered the poop, but I got served the pee."
How eloquent can a man be?
Career ruiner for Lily Rose Depp. Cant believe she took a role like that lmao
The catch is? She's actually really good in the role. Which in this case it's actually bad thing since she shares tons of scenes with The Weeknd and his acting skills are abysmal. The contrast is so noticeable.
@@theunbearablejuan well it doesn't sound like a good role
@@theunbearablejuan i just hope it doesnt sink her career. It's only because her dad is so massively famous. It's like if Lebron James son goes to the NBA and averages 4.3 points a game as a starter lol. I agree she does play the role well and convincingly so maybe that will help.
I feel like it’s the opposite because her acting is incredible in this despite the shitty writing.
@@ItsSauIGoodman The problem is that Sam Levinson has two sides: The insightful guy or the wannabe edgelord that can't really be super edgy because he mostly panders to gen-Zers.
The best episodes of Euphoria are the special ones with Jules and Rue. And the latter is nothing but Rue chatting with her sponsor at a diner for an hour. But it is so well written and it flows so naturally.
"She got glazed" -charlie 2023
RIP preschool kiddos who stan Blackpink (aka 99% of the fandom) who learned what revenge p0rn looks like before they learned what 2 + 2 is.
when I read that article on Rolling Stone about how much of a shitshow production and filming conditions were I knew it was gonna be dogshit
Anything Sam Levinson touches turns to Dogturds.
Don't read my name.!.....
@@Astartes-6969 glittery, tit filled dogturds though.
it took me FAR too long to realize this wasn't a reality tv show lmfao
Don't read my name.!.....
lmao yes 😭 the lack of music and good lines
@@Dont_Read_My_Picture alr
@@lox7923 🤏🏻 🍆
Dude same, took me literally half the video before I realized it
The show was about 80% done before the first director dropped out and Sam Levinson came in and completely changed and rewrote the entire script
It’s a real shame, I would love to see her cut of the show
Literally begins with a meta-narrative on boobs where they basically try to say “if u don’t like this then ur not a real feminist cuz this fictional character wants it”
It’s such a lame self insert for sam levenson’s controversy
Every time I hear someone talk about the Idol it sounds like it was written by Disney to show their actors as a PSA of what will happen to them if they ever stray away from their family friendly image
OMG this is perfect, but it’s not far from the truth - - Jenna Ortega said they had everything from a “Disney Prom” to a “How to become famous class”
Don't read my name.!.....
"amazing, a booby trap that actually catches boobies"
-Optimus Prime
This show is the reason no one wants to pay writers
To be fair, jennie put more effort into the dance scene than she does when shes performing with blackpink
this show doesnt even seem fun bad to me, honestly, the only reason I got through even Charlie's summary is that he somehow is able to make boring things interesting enough to keep watching
Charlie is always entertaining
Just sounds like a girly show with a bunch of uncomfortable sex scenes. Something people would only watch if they got off to it
@@earthwormjim420 honestly sounds more like something somebody would make that they think girls like when they have no idea what girls like lmao
It's not worth the risk , I'm 50 and 95 percent of the 100s of bad films I've seen were just boring , only a few were so terrible they were amusing, it's rare
@@earthwormjim420”Girly Show”
Most people, including myself are only watching this for The Weeknd, anyways. I feel like the show is far too (unnecessarily) inappropriate to even lean into “girly” territories anyways.
To see this take over the time slot of “Succession” which is perhaps my top 3 new shows I fell in love with these past 10 years is a shame
I haven't watched Succession, but you're right.
HBO had gone weird with the winning streak of Last of Us-Succession-Barry for a while so now they went back to Velma-quality show default with the Idol.
Bruh same i feel a void in my soul that succession was replaced w this trash lol
@@nont18411velma was a max original not an hbo show tho
@@nont18411 I mean, in their defense, being on the same streaming service is about as meaningful as being distributed by the same studio.
The fact that there has been drama behind the scenes of Euphoria for Sam Levinson asking for too much nudity from his actresses makes the whole scene about showing boobs so much more ridiculous and gross. Clearly he is all about “bodily autonomy” but it’s like bro YOU wrote the show. Your CHARACTERS are the ones preaching bodily autonomy, but at least some of your actors are not exactly thrilled about having to show so much skin. Charlie I love how you called attention to the fact that the intimacy coordinator is framed as the bad guy when he is in fact just doing his job. This show seems just exploitative and it’s not just there is nudity and a lot of sex, but it’s the messaging saying basically that it’s not sexploitation cinema and that America wants and deserves lots of sex and nudity and it’s empowering and blah blah blah. It’s just wayyyy to far
The Weeknd when his show with a female protagonist “leans too much into the female perspective”: 😱😱😱
(Yes, he actually said that and got a new writer and director to rewrite and reshoot everything because of it)
"AWOOGA AWOOGA TITTIES"
I like your funny words magic man
😂😂
“Let those honkers go bonkers” is gonna be a phrase that im gonna use now
Based on Euphoria and This, it feels like Sam Levinson has never met and talked to a real human woman….
I have to say, that I was actually really interested in the show at first, after I saw the Trailer.
I thought they could explore a story about her life as a persona, showing her mental struggle of always performing as some ind of person while beginning to lose yourself. It could have been an interesting journey into the breaking of her psyche and let either inherit her role or find something different of value in her life. The dark sides of the industry could be explored accompanied with the alluring image of show-biz. While not entirely innovative of an idea, I really wanted to see how they would tackle this trope. The look of the show sold me even more.
But sadly the show didn't deliver at all and seemed more like a veiled attempt for the writers to live out their sexual fantasies - it's actually ironic I guess, if you think about the environment of the show and how it is portrayed here ...
I dropped it after the second episode, because I was just so fuckin' bored (and very much disappointed) :D
Should have stayed with Oshi no Ko ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Just another reason to watch Velvet Goldmine, Perfect Blue, and Black Swan if you haven't.
A cartoon about a creepy Doctor that got reincarnated in to the teem idols baby he was obsessed over thus watching her get murdered turns him in to a detective that's searching out for the person that caused her murder?......you're better of sticking with the idol weeb.
That's what they were selling with the trailer. That's what I expected and apparently, that's what it was about before they basically changed the whole thing. Like, the first season was almost complete and they fired people and remade the entire season and now we have this. Now I'm curious about what the show was like before the changes.
Also they can make her a nicotine addict without making Jocelyn light a cigarette every 5 minutes of screen time
Immersion ruined.
I think that's just actually how much Depp smokes
the detail that it had to be c*m on her face in the leaked photo combined with this guy’s reputation creeps me out a lot
So this show is just boring p0rn?
Also interesting how they villianise someone whos job it is to prevent actors from being s3xaully exploited... Hmmm, not a good look.
Edit: oh this is made by the guy who mad euphoria, a show that has massive controversy with its actresses feeling s3xaully exploited. Not surprising the director hates someone whos job it is to prevent that.
you have to disable hardware acceleration in your browser to stop netflix from going black when you tab out
The Weekend's character from the first episode sounds like the mysterious anime character that Charlie was trying to be.
“She got glazed “ I’m literally crying that’s too good 😂
I mean, The Weeknd’s whole brand is that he sees himself as the monster in a horror movie, so it doesn’t surprise me that his character’s entrance was framed like that
I'm 99 % sure the writer's room for this show consists of porn addicts and people who unironically think the Fifty Shades movies were amazing.