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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
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To help you all in your dealings with each other!
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Thank you for this encouraging video, Greg. May Jah bless you for all you do.
I want to share a message with everyone, regardless of your affiliation - whether Watchtower, Trinitarian, or any other group. My name is Gio, and like Greg, I was raised in the Watchtower. Though not as deeply involved as Greg, I always sought to grow in knowledge. In my upbringing, it seemed that more "truth" equated to greater acceptance by God.
Leaving the Watchtower was challenging, but I am grateful to Greg for grounding me in reliable Biblical teachings. I soon realized that knowledge alone doesn't make one a better person or Christian. Salvation isn't about how much we know. I've met people with diverse views of God and witnessed the spirit working within them. Their worship was vibrant, filled with praise and prayer - experiences that transcend book knowledge. The spirit's work must be seen and felt.
I came to understand that having the right heart is crucial. God accomplishes His purposes regardless, but those with the right heart receive the spirit, while knowledge alone doesn't suffice.
Greg's group focuses on three core beliefs - God the Father, Jesus as the Biblical Messiah, and the Golden Rule. This demonstrates that we can disagree yet remain united. Many seek to worship God outside traditional frameworks, including those who have left the Watchtower, Mormons, Adventists, or Muslims. We need a space to worship the one true God, the Father, as we understand Him.
Greg has helped many understand that while Jesus is distinct from God, He acts with God's authority and is our Lord because God has placed Him as such (Philippians 2:11). This understanding helps many accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, a requirement for salvation as described in Romans 10:9: believing that Jesus is the Son of God and that God raised Him from the dead. Salvation hinges on this belief, not on accepting the Trinity or that Jesus is God, as these are not described as requirements for salvation in the scriptures.
For those who feel they can't worship God outside the Trinity, Sam offers a space for that. I believe collaboration is a great idea, even though Greg knows I don't particularly like Sam. Greg, thank you for extending an olive branch and demonstrating love and humanity. It's evident to me that your heart and mind are in the right place. Your actions are deeply appreciated, and I support your efforts. May Jah bless you in Jesus' name.
Looking forward to seeing you do a collaboration with Sam one day at least in dealing with non-trinitarian topics like calvinism, modalism, freemasonry/illuminati, eternal/everlasting damnation, socinianism, christian zionism, homosexuality, evolution, atheism, and other topics of interest. I always watch Sam's live and always reading his articles, but I also watch your videos and read your materials from time to time taking notes in order for me to learn how the other side operates in their dialogues with trinitarians. I am a trinitarian, but much like Sam, you're my favorite non-trinitarian apologists for being that extremely knowledgeable, for being that well versed, and very sophisticated in the bible. Sam speaks highly of you in his recent livestream and I do believe what Sam said about you, that you're going to give well known christian apologists like Matt Slick, Anthony Rodgers, James White a run for their money in public and online debates if ever one day you decided to join arms with us, if you know what I mean. 🙏
Id like to see them vs athiest would be pretty cool
You need more exposure. Ever considered other social media platforms like TikTok? There’s also a well spoken atheist called Alex O Connor with whom you could have a great discussion
Praised be the Triune God!
Not according to the Bible.--1 Corinthians 8:4-6.
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Greg + Sam collab
@@JEHOVAHJESUSISGOD First Sam has to show he's watching my videos, which he isn't, or I can't trust enough to collab. See my opening in tonight's live show. It's really unbelievable what Sam is doing after I extended an olive branch to him....
Thanks Greg. May Jah bless and protect us in Jesus name.
Stafford + Shamoun
VS Modalism
"JESUS IS NOT GOD THE FATHER"
Where did the guy go that asked me to watch Sam’s response to Greg that supposedly refuted him?😂😂😂
I know, huh? So crazy...
I would love to see a collab with the restoration fellowship group. Anthony Buzzard. They are non Trinitarian. Also are you familiar with Robert king?
I was gonna ask him the same also boreak picketts or something like that is another one
The only collaboration I would like Brother Stafford do is with other JWs, Bible students, or Robert King. I wouldn’t do a collaboration with Trinitarians and Unitarians at all.
Robert king is very good I lisern to his videos and he is a very good teacher witch we all shud be I don’t go to any church but can direct people to Robert King channel and Jehovah witnesses on film as he covers some very good bible topics sutch as John 1 v 1 the history of it and bible words that have been changed very interesting 🤔
@@michaelhaigh9182 thank you. And thank you for what you do.
Robert King believes the two hopes nonsense taking away the hope from millions. Also he still believes Jw are gods people being under a delusion 1914 as some sort of test.
Nonsense.
Jah bless Greg💯❤🙏💪
Thanks Greg for your videos. What are your thoughts on Sean Griffin from KIngdom in Context?
I liked Sean’s material at first until he was making weird claims God and angles are made or their substance is combined of spirit and water. I spoke with him over and over and his defense is based on John 3 which I don’t see even a hint of that Bible teaching. But his other teachings too like animal sacrifice in heaven and the flat earth none of that can be found in the Bible. He doesn’t know when to distinguish metaphor and literal
Sean believes:
- the earth is flat
- there were flying machines in ancient days
- we are still under the old law
- Christ was just “a dude on a cross” (his own words)
- christs sacrifice on the cross was not enough and that he still makes animal sacrifice in heaven
- God goes to the toilet and has a body (yes you heard right)
He is not to be taken seriously.
Greg, I think you have been overly kind to Sam. But simply whilst he might view his gross verbal abuse as humour he in fact is a godless bully who is actively leading people away from the truth of what scripture play the teaches in regards to who Yah is and who Yeshua is. He has also emboldened a younger generation of Trinitarian apologists who are also leading people into darkness. I do however appreciate you have a personal relationship with him and clearly going Hammer and tong at eachother is not particularly useful. However, Sam is a brute. God willing he will come to the truth and he will become a mighty warrior for the one true God.
I concur.
This is not about groups, it´s about rather the trinity is right or not, or if Jesus, is the fulfilment of the profecies and if his sacrifice was indeed for our iniquities. So far, I haven´t seen any argument whatsoever that debunks the trinity point blank. Although the word trinity is not mentioned anywhere the concept of it is seen in the old and new testament. Trying to find a needle in the hay stack in this case doesn´t seem very reasonable. Jesus was worshiped and accepted it, the profets in the old testament have mentioned God´s spirit and the son of man to come. There are plenty of reasons to understand that our God is a triune God.
Keep watching...
At 36 min. You discuss Watchtower. I AM JW. I understand where you come from. However. What appears to be progress ,or lack of progress may not be apparent. I explain, true , many home studies do not result in imediate members. However. I submit. There are Many ,, sleepers,, waiting for the world events etc to ,,quicken them. I have seem people become members as the result of study many years past and only now has events brought forth their actions. The bible may use the term. The seed were planted, but the soil was not fertile (( at that time) . I ask the readers a qt? Where was it that you FIRST heard the name Jehovah? Wher was it you first heard of the Kibgdom. These are THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT ITEMS OF THE BIBLE.
I WILL BET. AN HONEST ANSWER TO THESE QTS WOILD BE. FROM JEHOVAHS WITNESSES. ! AM I RIGHT? IF IF YOU LEARNED THAT MUCH FROM JEHOVAHS WITNESSES? THATS A HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE TOUGHT YOU. 😊😊😊
Paul learned everything in Judaism, and then became a Christian. Think carefully. Maybe there's something you're missing...
I learned "with" them. I actually read the Bible and also did many things on my own most of the time I was there, including books and public debates. Watchtower did not want me to do those things. But after I did they and you and all other JWs were very glad I did. See how that works out?
@@CWJahTubethank you Greg for defending the truth about YHWH. He is truly one as the shama states.