I’ve got about 150 miles on this bike so far and agree with everything mentioned in this review. Climbs great, descends with well damped control and bottomless feel, is light, fast and fun. My local trails are long fire road climbs and short fast singletrack descents. It’s the perfect tool for this job. I’m 6’1” and chose a S5, weighs 29.6 lbs sans pedals.
@@ehvoslef not many rooted trails here in SoCal, but I’ve taken it on many with small to medium size rock gardens. Good example to look up is the long, high speed rocky descent of Rock-It trail in Aliso & Wood Canyons. The rear suspension stays plush and soaks up all the chatter/chunder and doesn’t seem to have any brake-jack effect when trying to control speed. A friend following me last time out commented how stable the rear end looked through that section. Note that I have the fork set to factory for rebound and compression, the rear set to click #2 on the low-speed compression (black knob on the shock) and the compression lever open all the time.
@@morganlee3050 I know the OC terrain fairly well and have one of these on order. Couple questions. (1) Did you notice pedal bob on climbs, like Cholla or Luge climb? I see you are using the same setting (low comp, rebound #2) that the flow mountain bike reviewer recommended to smooth out climbs. So maybe that is the key. (2) I am thinking about upgrading to carbon wheels. Did you do the same or any thoughts? I am planning to replace my 2020 Trek Fuel Ex 9.8 with this bike. The Trek is strong, but I like the nimbleness and lightweight feeling of Specialized bikes better (I have a 2021 Epic Evo for comparison) and the Trek is sluggish in technical turns IMO and weighs more, even though it is a steady climber and also very plush, capable decender. I have yet to see a STJ Carbon review compared to Fuel Ex 9.8, unfortunately.
@@rwanderer102 I’ve got about 700 miles on it now and am in the habit of leaving the shock open all the time. The only time i put it in the mid position is for climbs with large obstacles or dips. This helps support the suspension to power out of the dips more easily while seated. The wheels are stock and perfectly good. Dont feel like they are holding me back and the only reason to upgrade would be for bling. I’m super pleased with the bike overall for the trails i ride here in SoCal. Haven’t ridden the Trek so cant help out there.
I ride the same OC trails and curious if you thought Stumpy Evo, which I am considering would be too sluggish. I figured 36 fox would be nicer on Rock It!?
Awesome review. It is clear that you are absolutely ripping! I watched another video on the same bike but yours is much more informative keeping me tuned in!
I have the same build and color. I have ridden it a three different trail systems since I got it and would say your review comments mirror my feelings about the bike exactly. Well, except the need for better brakes. I live in Florida.....
Bro tell me the truth, how do you feel about the color ? I mean it's either this one or black, but you still liking the color after a month ? I am hesitant about that green.
I wanted the satin carbon (black) but they all sold before I could get my credit card info entered. I wasn’t sure about the green but fell in love as soon as I saw it. It gets a lot of positive comments on the trail.
I'm near pulling the trigger on this green one. I'm a bit concerned about some reviews about it being too soft, spongy, when powering on the pedals (especially uphill). Do you find this true?
Joshua Helm, My last bike was an 2012 alloy Giant Anthem (100mm XC). This bike is a lot more plush but still very efficient. I keep the rear shock in the Trail (middle) setting and it works very well for all the riding that I do. We don’t have long uphills here in Florida but it scratches up the short technical climbs just as well as my Giant.
I just pulled the trigger on the 2022 stumpy expert because of this review. I was really eyeballing the Canyon Spectral 29 and your review of that was so rad. Thank you for this review.
Frankly, you are such a good rider that you could video like this on a Huffy. Great reviews and I am always amazed at how you manage to keep these bikes from sliding/washing out!
Man! That was an excellent review! Sound quality was perfect and you weren’t even breathing! The camera lens didn’t give me the feeling of running into every tree. Well done! This bike is in my list now
Whoever this rider makes this so interesting. shreds tf out of the bike and explain his feelings on it. If yall would do a comparison video of bikes in xc- trail - all mountain - enduro that would be DOPE keep up the great work
@@freehubmag I'm so happy you answered, thank you. And never give up. Honestly I don't get why you don't get enough credit for your job, cause you really deserve more and more. But it's coming... Hard work pays off
These are the best reviews out there! I got the Evo because I live in Colorado. This thing looks sweet though. Hopefully I didn’t make the wrong choice.
nice to see bikes in the range many (I think) are looking at rather then just the top end :) not that those are also fun to watch and I am sure fun to do BUT this is a great review the whole thing also some of the other vids ! new sub for sure great channel !!!
Hi, I really enjoy those reviews! I understand, as an american magazine, you mostly review bikes from north american bike builders. But do consider to do reviews of bikes from other parts of the world in the future... For example Canyon, Propain, Commencal or others? I would really appreciate that! Thank you and keep up your great work! 👍🏻
Would you mind doing a suspension set up possibly talking about volume spacers for forks… (im 5’11 217) new to suspension set upi love your channel and reviews
Dang that's super light. Are you riding the S4 size? I'm really looking at this new Stumpjumper but I'm a 210lb rider and and don't know how the Fox 34 would handle my riding. Nice to know it will still be nice and light if I put a 36 on it.
I know they are in different categories but compared to the pivot switchblade which bike climbs and pedals better and which one is more playful or poppy? I figure the switchblade would be more capable having more travel
Any thoughts on how the Stumpy compares to Ibis Ripley or SC Tallboy? I know the Stumpy has 10mm more travel but I'm cross-shopping the three of them. I appreciate a poppy feel and good climbing but really just want the best allrounder. Probably can't go wrong with any of them. All the bikes are in such short supply I can't find them to demo.
I just bought a ‘19 Sworks ST! I had a ‘21 pro on order but I was curious what you think of a comparison between the older ST and the new “down country” style specialized tool with this stumpy?
Evo = more aggressive/enduro style riding, higher speeds, more dh oriented. An all around trail bike for aggressive terrain with big ups/downs. Regular = more traditional trail bike, lighter, excellent climber, more nimble. An all around trail bike for more commonly found terrain.
How would you compare it to the Trek Fuel EX you rode recently? Also, wish your trail had a few more techy rock gardens, some reviews commented that the bike was not really great on repeated hits/rocks. Great review as always!
very interested in that too. From my experience with Fuel EX and stumpy alloy on older horst suspension. They are both pretty plush on downs. Stumpy might be edging out on climbs only because I threw bigger spacer in the back. It was very linear in stock form. Stumpy will still hang a bit more though on bigger hits....say couple bigger roots in succession that u can't jump or go around. Fuel EX's rear wheel would move out of the way easier/faster. Might have something to do with 2.6 tires on fuel. I have yet to beat my Fuel EX PRs on shorter segments with some moderate climbs...which is surprising because stumpy bobs around less....I think. Very close though. My guess is carbon stumpy would be much better on climbs and hopefully equally good on downs.
I am considering this bike. I'm doing some research and have found other reviewers indicate that this bike has a lot of "sponge", "soft", "bouncy", in the rear when putting power to the pedals (especially when powering uphill). I'm wondering if you found this or not?
What’s the difference between Evo and this model? Like is there is a difference between frames, sizing, qualities etc.., Let me tell ya what a trail ride, OMG very impressive, the camera barely picks it up
I picked one of these up in the same color. I love the bike all in all, but the shifting has been trash since the beginning. It has never shifted properly.
Been thinking about picking this bike up for a couple weeks now!! Great review. Since this is your review, if you don't mind me asking what bike do you ride?
I can't wait for mine to come in. I love my old 2015 Camber Evo, so I am very hopeful the Stumpy will retain the lively, snappy handling I love about my Camber, but with a little more plush feel and better stability going downhill. Should be a very nice upgrade.
@@nl3712 Wow, I posted my comment 11 months ago and it's only been 2 months since I finally got my 2022 model (thanks supply chain and shortages). Anyway, I do love the new bike, despite is ending up being $1000 more than the 2021 model. What I ended up doing was buying a Stumpjumper Alloy Comp in April figuring I could resell it for close to my initial investment once my Carbon Expert arrived and that way I could also try out the fit and make sure I like it before really blowing a ton of cash on the higher model. I nearly just held onto the Alloy model, especially when the Expert's price increased $1k. For something with modest riding ability, I really didn't need the expert. I upgraded the wheels on the alloy bike to the Roval Traverse Carbon which made a huge difference. That bike was a decent climber with the carbon hoops. It wasn't as snappy as my old Camber both climbing and shuffling through tight singletrack. The Stumpy is longer, slacker, and heavier so no surprise. In the end, I still bought the expert because it's what I wanted to begin with and I ended up really liking the 2022 gloss white color they did. Plus, the fork is the latest update to the Fox 34 and it is absolutely amazing compared to the bottom end Fox suspension on tge alloy model. Everything is just a notch or three better. It was a lot of money, but I have no regrets. I do miss my Camber and wish I had kept it because it was a fast, fun bike. The Stumpy is missing that eager, snappy feeling that XC oriented bikes have. The Stumpy is hands down more capable and forgiving, though.
@@aaronbehindbars Thanks a million for the detailed response. Hope your new ride gives you many happy miles or riding. I think I'm going to get an EPic Evo for a weekend and check it out. Merry Christmas and best wishes for 2022.
@@bthomas518 Hi Brian, i will definitely let you know. The Evo will be my stage race bike and I will try get one soon. I am also looking at purchasing a Status or Stumpy Evo (depending on cashflow) later this year, as there are some gnarly downhills near my new house (i recently moved to somewhere with MOUNTAINS!!).
I've been waiting for so long for you guys to upload. Keep up the great work.
Best commentary I've heard so far.
Counted six 'wahoos!' and three 'hahas!'. Must be a nice bike.
Some of the absolute best bike reviews around!
I’ve got about 150 miles on this bike so far and agree with everything mentioned in this review. Climbs great, descends with well damped control and bottomless feel, is light, fast and fun. My local trails are long fire road climbs and short fast singletrack descents. It’s the perfect tool for this job. I’m 6’1” and chose a S5, weighs 29.6 lbs sans pedals.
Have you ridden it over many roots and in tighter technical terrain? Curious how the flex stay responds to that
@@ehvoslef not many rooted trails here in SoCal, but I’ve taken it on many with small to medium size rock gardens. Good example to look up is the long, high speed rocky descent of Rock-It trail in Aliso & Wood Canyons. The rear suspension stays plush and soaks up all the chatter/chunder and doesn’t seem to have any brake-jack effect when trying to control speed. A friend following me last time out commented how stable the rear end looked through that section. Note that I have the fork set to factory for rebound and compression, the rear set to click #2 on the low-speed compression (black knob on the shock) and the compression lever open all the time.
@@morganlee3050 I know the OC terrain fairly well and have one of these on order. Couple questions. (1) Did you notice pedal bob on climbs, like Cholla or Luge climb? I see you are using the same setting (low comp, rebound #2) that the flow mountain bike reviewer recommended to smooth out climbs. So maybe that is the key. (2) I am thinking about upgrading to carbon wheels. Did you do the same or any thoughts? I am planning to replace my 2020 Trek Fuel Ex 9.8 with this bike. The Trek is strong, but I like the nimbleness and lightweight feeling of Specialized bikes better (I have a 2021 Epic Evo for comparison) and the Trek is sluggish in technical turns IMO and weighs more, even though it is a steady climber and also very plush, capable decender. I have yet to see a STJ Carbon review compared to Fuel Ex 9.8, unfortunately.
@@rwanderer102 I’ve got about 700 miles on it now and am in the habit of leaving the shock open all the time. The only time i put it in the mid position is for climbs with large obstacles or dips. This helps support the suspension to power out of the dips more easily while seated. The wheels are stock and perfectly good. Dont feel like they are holding me back and the only reason to upgrade would be for bling. I’m super pleased with the bike overall for the trails i ride here in SoCal. Haven’t ridden the Trek so cant help out there.
I ride the same OC trails and curious if you thought Stumpy Evo, which I am considering would be too sluggish. I figured 36 fox would be nicer on Rock It!?
I love these so much, such high quality reviews. Keep it up.
This trail looks super fun. And you are smashing it! Nice to watch while listening review❤
Awesome review. It is clear that you are absolutely ripping! I watched another video on the same bike but yours is much more informative keeping me tuned in!
Oh WOW!!!!! Those colors are so nice! Great review Spencer!
Are the colors "so nice" ? I am not sure until I see it in person
I have the same build and color. I have ridden it a three different trail systems since I got it and would say your review comments mirror my feelings about the bike exactly. Well, except the need for better brakes. I live in Florida.....
Bro tell me the truth, how do you feel about the color ? I mean it's either this one or black, but you still liking the color after a month ? I am hesitant about that green.
I wanted the satin carbon (black) but they all sold before I could get my credit card info entered. I wasn’t sure about the green but fell in love as soon as I saw it. It gets a lot of positive comments on the trail.
@@shallowcaster awesome man, thank for your reply ! I’m getting it today. I’m 5’10+ and I hope S4 is just right for me.
I'm near pulling the trigger on this green one. I'm a bit concerned about some reviews about it being too soft, spongy, when powering on the pedals (especially uphill). Do you find this true?
Joshua Helm, My last bike was an 2012 alloy Giant Anthem (100mm XC). This bike is a lot more plush but still very efficient. I keep the rear shock in the Trail (middle) setting and it works very well for all the riding that I do. We don’t have long uphills here in Florida but it scratches up the short technical climbs just as well as my Giant.
Oh yessss Freehub has uploaded.
*Grabs coffee and cookie*
I just pulled the trigger on the 2022 stumpy expert because of this review. I was really eyeballing the Canyon Spectral 29 and your review of that was so rad. Thank you for this review.
Enjoying it?
Any major issues?
@@rottieshepcalibre9156 none at all. Been a blast to ride
Yo this dude is an absolute beast shredding through mud and water like that
Absolutely incredible review(s), every time!
Frankly, you are such a good rider that you could video like this on a Huffy. Great reviews and I am always amazed at how you manage to keep these bikes from sliding/washing out!
vs the following V3 you rode on Galbraith as well????
Love the channel! If you can, pls review the specialized status 🙂
Man! That was an excellent review! Sound quality was perfect and you weren’t even breathing! The camera lens didn’t give me the feeling of running into every tree. Well done! This bike is in my list now
Would love to see a Transition spur review
I just can't live without this video
Thanks for the review. I bought one of these in the pro trim a few weeks ago. Been really enjoying the way it climbs compared to the older versions.
Whoever this rider makes this so interesting. shreds tf out of the bike and explain his feelings on it. If yall would do a comparison video of bikes in xc- trail - all mountain - enduro that would be DOPE keep up the great work
Solid review. Thank you! I'm impressed you can be so eloquent while weaving your way through the trails.
Men, this footage looks so fast!
I watch all your reviews and love them. How much do you weigh?
Thorough review! How is it you could talk so calmly while ripping through those trails!?
I'm still watching this... And I can't understand how did you get such a quality video.
Hero 7 with karma gimbal. Superview, low sharpness, and auto shutter for the woods.
@@freehubmag I'm so happy you answered, thank you. And never give up. Honestly I don't get why you don't get enough credit for your job, cause you really deserve more and more. But it's coming... Hard work pays off
My favorite bike review channel
Great trail outside the old apt. Nice review. I am adding my 3rd Stumpjumper 2022 due in Nov
please please please talk more about how it stacks up to other stuff in the category. Better or worse climber than the mojo 4? for example
Diffidently need some head to head comparisons , I feel we all respect your opinions and would like to hear them . Thanks
Great review,riding and nice colors and blur👍
These are the best reviews out there! I got the Evo because I live in Colorado. This thing looks sweet though. Hopefully I didn’t make the wrong choice.
nice to see bikes in the range many (I think) are looking at rather then just the top end :) not that those are also fun to watch and I am sure fun to do BUT this is a great review the whole thing also some of the other vids ! new sub for sure great channel !!!
Amazing trail, amazing rider.
Please review the 2021 troy!
Yes! Been looking everywhere for this!
Hi, I really enjoy those reviews! I understand, as an american magazine, you mostly review bikes from north american bike builders. But do consider to do reviews of bikes from other parts of the world in the future... For example Canyon, Propain, Commencal or others? I would really appreciate that! Thank you and keep up your great work! 👍🏻
awesome review making it look easy good riding bro will you be able to review the giant trance pro 29er one of these days
How does it compare to the Norco Optic? It sounds like they have similar characteristics ?
Do you think you can take even the EVO around Mountains a whole day or you feel like its too much limiting because of the enduro geometry?
This or the Fuel EX 9.9 for all around trail riding?
Great review, thanks.
Definitely influenced my buying decision.
Would you mind doing a suspension set up possibly talking about volume spacers for forks… (im 5’11 217) new to suspension set upi love your channel and reviews
Fantastic review as always. Would be very interesting to hear your thoughts on the Forbidden Druid, as it’s such a unique flatform!
Thanks for the review 👍
So weird how the downtube paint is split, it should have a gradient transition like on the seattube.
Just picked mine up!
Still have to do a first ride, haha! Waiting for a couple upgrade parts right out of the box!
This video... man this video is where I touch my dreams
Man you know galby well. I love it up there!
Curious about your pedals, shoes, helmet, and gloves...any chance we can get this info? Again, awesome review and video!
Freehub Mag, this bike or the Norco Optic? Seems similar but what would you recommend overall?
Is it possible to lock the suspension to drive faster uphill?
Im 8 foot tall would this fit me?
great riding man!
Are you going to review the Ripley and Tallboy4?
Love mine. 36 upfront, and DH brakes 27.5 lbs! Large
Dang that's super light. Are you riding the S4 size? I'm really looking at this new Stumpjumper but I'm a 210lb rider and and don't know how the Fox 34 would handle my riding. Nice to know it will still be nice and light if I put a 36 on it.
S4 yes. The damper is great in the 34, but the fork is too flexible for me. 36 is great.
I am 200 to 210 and add a damper to the 34 it no problem
Is nobody going to mention the sheer speed of this guy. Teeny bit jealous
He's the best reviewer atm in my eyes, man can actually push a bike where most seem to bimble about for a bit haha (pinkbike I'm looking at you)
@@tommycooperfish yeah it's crazy. He treats these €8-10,000 bikes like they should be used and I love it
I know they are in different categories but compared to the pivot switchblade which bike climbs and pedals better and which one is more playful or poppy? I figure the switchblade would be more capable having more travel
love this channel!
What is a chain stay ratio? Do you mean gear ratios?
Any thoughts on how the Stumpy compares to Ibis Ripley or SC Tallboy? I know the Stumpy has 10mm more travel but I'm cross-shopping the three of them. I appreciate a poppy feel and good climbing but really just want the best allrounder. Probably can't go wrong with any of them. All the bikes are in such short supply I can't find them to demo.
May I know what you weight and what PSI you pumped into the rear shock?
I just bought a ‘19 Sworks ST! I had a ‘21 pro on order but I was curious what you think of a comparison between the older ST and the new “down country” style specialized tool with this stumpy?
Great review! How does the Stumpjumper compare to the Norco Optic C2? I'm stuck between the two at the moment.
Please do the Status 160
This video is top notch as well as the bike.
Bellingham?
That was a really nice trail! Where is this trail at?
How would one choose between the Stumpjumper Expert and the Stumpjumper Evo Expert
Evo = more aggressive/enduro style riding, higher speeds, more dh oriented. An all around trail bike for aggressive terrain with big ups/downs.
Regular = more traditional trail bike, lighter, excellent climber, more nimble. An all around trail bike for more commonly found terrain.
Hi there!
What a wonderful trail, what a great bike! How tall are you to choose S4? I'm trying to make sense of the new Specialized S1-S6 sizing.
How would you compare it to the Trek Fuel EX you rode recently? Also, wish your trail had a few more techy rock gardens, some reviews commented that the bike was not really great on repeated hits/rocks. Great review as always!
very interested in that too. From my experience with Fuel EX and stumpy alloy on older horst suspension. They are both pretty plush on downs. Stumpy might be edging out on climbs only because I threw bigger spacer in the back. It was very linear in stock form. Stumpy will still hang a bit more though on bigger hits....say couple bigger roots in succession that u can't jump or go around. Fuel EX's rear wheel would move out of the way easier/faster. Might have something to do with 2.6 tires on fuel. I have yet to beat my Fuel EX PRs on shorter segments with some moderate climbs...which is surprising because stumpy bobs around less....I think. Very close though. My guess is carbon stumpy would be much better on climbs and hopefully equally good on downs.
I’m between this Stumpjumper and the Switchblade. Which do you think is a quicker bike? The trails I ride are similar to yours.
Stumpy! Switchblade is so damn expensive for what you get. Save the $ and go on a nice mtb trip!
what did you get then?
I am considering this bike. I'm doing some research and have found other reviewers indicate that this bike has a lot of "sponge", "soft", "bouncy", in the rear when putting power to the pedals (especially when powering uphill). I'm wondering if you found this or not?
What’s the difference between Evo and this model? Like is there is a difference between frames, sizing, qualities etc..,
Let me tell ya what a trail ride, OMG very impressive, the camera barely picks it up
I picked one of these up in the same color. I love the bike all in all, but the shifting has been trash since the beginning. It has never shifted properly.
Had to dump the Purgatory and slap on a Maxxis Minion DHR II EXO. That changed everything. I really like the Spec Butcher Grid Trail front tire.
Are you gonna review the Orbea Occam to compare to this?
this is the comparison the world needs
I was thinking that as well while watching this.
Great review, The stumpy or the Evil Offering?
I miss Galby so much!!
Amazing review. I weight 200 and 6'1". Would you suggest I go for the S5? I think you were on the S4?
I'm 6'3", 205 and bought the S4 and it's a perfect fit.
Wondering how much better it climbs than the Optic
Been thinking about picking this bike up for a couple weeks now!! Great review. Since this is your review, if you don't mind me asking what bike do you ride?
Spencer our reviewer is currently riding the Stumpjumper EVO for his personal bike.
@@freehubmag awesome, thanks for the reply, sold. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
So I have to ask! What is your favorite bike thus far?
This or a high tower?
Great video - thank you!
what trail is this?
What gimbal do you use for your vids
Hero 7 with the Karma Gimbal. Superview, low sharpness, and auto shutter for the woods
What is the weight of the bike all up?
George Montana Harkin , I have had mine for about a month now. Same build and color, on the bathroom scale it weighed just under 29lbs.
@@shallowcaster nice! Seems like the rear stay saves a fair bit of weight.
@@shallowcaster What size? That's great to know
George Montana Harkin , that and the fact the frame layup is the same no matter what level of build you select.
Asa Hunt, S4
What size are you on?
Size Large
I can't wait for mine to come in. I love my old 2015 Camber Evo, so I am very hopeful the Stumpy will retain the lively, snappy handling I love about my Camber, but with a little more plush feel and better stability going downhill. Should be a very nice upgrade.
Please give me some feedback on the new bike - are you happy with your purchase?
@@nl3712 Wow, I posted my comment 11 months ago and it's only been 2 months since I finally got my 2022 model (thanks supply chain and shortages). Anyway, I do love the new bike, despite is ending up being $1000 more than the 2021 model.
What I ended up doing was buying a Stumpjumper Alloy Comp in April figuring I could resell it for close to my initial investment once my Carbon Expert arrived and that way I could also try out the fit and make sure I like it before really blowing a ton of cash on the higher model.
I nearly just held onto the Alloy model, especially when the Expert's price increased $1k. For something with modest riding ability, I really didn't need the expert. I upgraded the wheels on the alloy bike to the Roval Traverse Carbon which made a huge difference. That bike was a decent climber with the carbon hoops. It wasn't as snappy as my old Camber both climbing and shuffling through tight singletrack. The Stumpy is longer, slacker, and heavier so no surprise.
In the end, I still bought the expert because it's what I wanted to begin with and I ended up really liking the 2022 gloss white color they did. Plus, the fork is the latest update to the Fox 34 and it is absolutely amazing compared to the bottom end Fox suspension on tge alloy model. Everything is just a notch or three better. It was a lot of money, but I have no regrets.
I do miss my Camber and wish I had kept it because it was a fast, fun bike. The Stumpy is missing that eager, snappy feeling that XC oriented bikes have. The Stumpy is hands down more capable and forgiving, though.
@@aaronbehindbars Thanks a million for the detailed response. Hope your new ride gives you many happy miles or riding. I think I'm going to get an EPic Evo for a weekend and check it out. Merry Christmas and best wishes for 2022.
@@bthomas518 Hi Brian, i will definitely let you know. The Evo will be my stage race bike and I will try get one soon. I am also looking at purchasing a Status or Stumpy Evo (depending on cashflow) later this year, as there are some gnarly downhills near my new house (i recently moved to somewhere with MOUNTAINS!!).
Out of stock why
Check local dealers- they can get the them
Can you do the yt izzo
Yesss!!
2021 Specialized Stumpjumper Comp review!!! ✅
Yessssss
Fucking hell those descents were fast...
Frame : 2430 kg
5:00- 5:20 WHAT
Carbon crap.