NFL: Is Donovan McNabb a hall of famer?
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2012
- Hugh Douglas, Jemele Hill and Skip Bayless discuss Donovan McNabb's comments about the hall of fame. Watch more videos like this at www.espnamerica.com
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Look at who he threw the ball to most of his career
Jason Seahorn
Or Brian Westbrook
I don’t think Donavan Mcnabb is that less than a charles Barkley
McNabb laid his usual playoff egg when he had DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Brent Celek and LeSean McCoy.
@@nicholausbell2749 brian westbrook was a great RB
Donovan McNabb definitely deserves to be in the HOF, no one realized he never had any good receivers beside TO & they finally went over the hump with him & made the super bowl & TO was injured all before that... With TO healthy they would of won the Super Bowl no doubt. Idk why Hugh Douglas hatin on his old teammate like that, he just never like McNabb & you can tell that now. He def got owned by that women. She knew what she was talking about. 2 bad years cannot outweigh what he did all before that
Um no he doesn't. He was a good QB back in his prime but he didn't have an eye popping stats like Brady, Brees, or Manning did. Dougles made a good point about how he ended his career. I mean losing a QB job to a rookie and named Ponder? Come on now...
Thats why TO beat him up.
When he pushed TO out of Philly he also threw away all chances to win a Super Bowl....Which is why I choose McNair over McNabb, McNair did so much more with so much less just imagine if McNair had TO or take a look back at his first season with Baltimore he lead them 13-3 reuniting with Dereck Mason and also had Todd Heap at TE, McNair never had that much talent on Offense before.
We cant go putting good players in the hall.
Skip is right for once. Donovan was never once named All Pro. Don't give me his numbers, because he played on a pass-happy team in an era when the rules were wildly skewed to favor passing offenses... you have to compare him to Brady and Manning (not to Stabler and Tarkenton) if you want to run numbers. I wonder how many inductees failed to win a single All Pro designation. "Hall of Very Good" is exactly right for McNabb.
thielees if he don’t get in then Eli damn sure isn’t one he was always better
@Sasuke Uchiha and I’ll give you that because you can’t take that away
there was a time when Mcnabb was the offense for the eagles. Could you imagine how great the eagles would have been if mcnabb had talented receivers for him to throw too instead of james thrash or freddie mitchell.
Tom Brady was winning Super Bowls with Hall of Fame studs like David Givens and David Patten.
McNabb may have had weak receivers, but consistently had great protection, Brian Westbrook and Jim Johnson's suffocating defense. McNabb routinely failed in the playoffs because he never stepped up when Philly needed him the most.
dont forget todd pinkston
@@jackcarraway4707 shut up
If Jim Kelly can make it so can Donovan
Nope
Really get a better comparison
Jim Kelly was wayy better than McNabb
Matt R way better like how ? There stats are almost the same . Jim definitely played with better players
@@mattr27cap
Deserves to be in HOF. not first ballot, but will be in HOF
Agree
1st ballot wats the difference
doesn't deserve HOF as first ballot or any ballot
Agreed.
I think when it comes to DMac you have to ask did he have a real go to wide receiver??? The only time he really did is when he had TO and that's when they went to a superbowl. So imagine if he had a real go to wideout his entire career like Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner (had two), Brett Favre, Steve Young, Joe Montana, etc.
Imagine he didn't have the greatest Westcoast mind in NFL history as his coach and that he didn't have a top 10 defense, top 5 running back, and great offensive line. He also did have good receivers. Now hall of fame? Probably not but Brady could say the same for himself until gronk. He only had randy moss 1 season and broke every record ever recorded in a season. McNabb was a scrambling qb who shutdown and threw picks in the clutch. Go back in big games and watch. He would always melt under pressure and that's his legacy. No matter what you have around you, if you throw picks to double coverage, it's your fault.
@@justinmcwaters4962 You really can't compare Brady and DMac. Reid is good but he's not Belichick. When people talk Brady they often leave out those incredible defensive players who often forced turnovers. Let's take a trip down memory lane. Vince Wolfork. Junior Seau, Rodney Harrison, Ty Law, etc. Also Brady had the benefit of the Tuck Rule, Spy Gate, Deflate Gate, The Ty Law rules etc. I stand by what I said, DMac didn't have a go to receiver until T.O. and when he got there they went to the Superbowl. Most QBs who go have two to three go to wide receivers and he did ot with one. His tight ends were always average at best and his running backs were far better receivers than rushers.
@@justinmcwaters4962 Jim Kelly choked in the big games but he got inducted.
@@hustlaus Jim Kelly took a bad bills defense and no names receivers to 4 consecutive superbowls. In the course of 10 years you'd have to mention him 40% of the time talking about superbowls.
@@justinmcwaters4962 We are going to have to end this conversation if you plan on making shit up. James Lofton and Andre Reed both got inducted to the Hall of Fame and Kelly had their services for multiple seasons. DMac only had T.O. and he was there for one full season. Not, only that but the Bill's defense was one of the best during that era.
I worked out with McNabb coming outta college, he was a light hearted and fun loving jokester.
Warren Moon didn't win half as much as McNabb did but he's in
Moon was waaay better!
They kept moon out of the league for 6 years because he was black. Imagine if you subtracted 6 years from McNabb
@@vambo13257 What was Moon's playoff record?
Even moon said McNabb is a hall of famer!!!
DMAC was my Favorite QB in that era! I think he was underrated, he did more with less then most QBs could. However, I don't think he gets into the Hall!
im so sick of hering the word "ring" mcnabb was phillys best qb that alone deserves hof
You certainty cant deny that. Outside of carson i cant really think of anybody else.
Foles won you a ring show him some respect
Definitely should be in the hall of fame
I'm a Giants fan and yes Donovan McNabb deserves to be in
McNabb is the same guy who is against Eli Manning being in the HOF
The classic “if I can’t get in you shouldn’t get in either “
@@supremegoesviral9922 right exactly
If Eli will get in then he deserves to be in he’s was always better
Eli beat Brady twice and stopped history in '07. He will get in on those 2 accolades alone and he was 2/2 in the SuperBowl.
We gonna talk about Jemele being an absolute baddie back in the day?
I was thinking same thing yo
@@frankanuzzi9740I definitely would have hit raw back then
Donavan should be in the hall of fame considering he never played with an offensive line
McNabb was never an All-Pro... Six-time Pro Bowler and Offensive Player of the Year are his only tangible accolades. There's no way he should be in Canton.
Timmy Sullivan put his numbers against some the quarterbacks in there already
Dude he had Thomas and Runyan, one of the top two LT/RT combos in that era. Coming from an Eagles fan. He had decent lines in his career, the running game was mediocre for the most part throughout his career in his prime. He tore his acl and lost a step or two, part of his dangerous ability was his two dimensional run/pass combo. If he had that when Westbrook was running for 1300+ yards, that defence from 04/08 they could have had a chance for a superbowl.
McNabb had good O lines.
Below average WRs for the most part, but good O lines.
Philly had really good defenses in McNabb's / Reid's era.
McNabb o line was one of the best in the league so many times he had all day to pass what are you talking about
bunch of haters specially Hugh Douglas, Mcnabb definitely deserves to be HOF. First ballot no but second yes. The numbers speak for themself
He had accuracy issues. He was a great winner, competitor, very good runner, great on intangibles, work ethic a bit suspect. Not that Terrell Owens is w/o issues, but one of TOs beefs w/ McNabb was his lack of willingness to spend time in film study, where he wanted to point out to him some of his accuracy flaws, as well as w/ premature deliveries, so McNabb could go from just being good, to elite, just by pointing out a couple subtle details, and McNabb wasn't interested.
Now I'm defending the sit ups in the driveway later on, but TO had a point during the Super Bowl season. Aesthetically, he was a lot like John Elway to me, but Elway was willing to put in the extra film time, practice sessions w/ his receivers, to cut down some of his flaws, and worked super hard on his conditioning year-round. McNabb loved to play football, but he wasn't a grinder in practice like Elway, who was always looking to get better.
From an entertainment standpoint, I felt McNabb was one of the most entertaining players to watch on the field. And he knew how to get it done, like the 4th & 26 completion vs. Green Bay, and many others, but I have him as the 2nd greatest Eagles quarterback of all-time, behind Randall Cunningham, who also by the way, is not in. Randall was an even more lethal runner than McNabb, who could also hurdle in the open field over would-be-tacklers, could throw it just as far, but w/ nicer touch, had a smoother release.
@@arsonhakobyandude Terrell owens literally fell asleep in meetings and got called out. It's one of the reasons his beef started with Jeff Garcia.
Terrell owens got mad at McNabb because McNabb didn't fight the eagles front office to resign TOs contract.
TO took all of that out on McNabb when TO was the one who signed a bad contract.
McNabb studied film, you don't get coached by Reid and not be in the film room. You're obviously biased towards Owens
He will get in
Hell yea definitely a Hall of Famer !!
I lose respect for people when they say they "Deserve" a spot in the HoF. If you do, let the league or fans vouch for you bro. Don't go around bitching about it.
As a redskins fan he failed as a skins player , it broke my heart because I admired him.
He's amazing he deserves the hall of fame . As an eagle he was amazing .
He is most definitely a Hall of Famer
No. Donovan McNab was never a dominant QB in the NFL. He also was not known of coming through in the clutch. Take a look at how many other QBs in the league that was better than him during his time in the league.
Hugh Douglas has always been such a hater. No wonder T.O punched him in the face. Never has anything good to say
I'm a Giants fan but Hugh was hatin'.
It took them 8:39 to basically say McNabb was on the cusp of making the HOF. I hate these sports commentary shows.
Back when first take was half decent
Point of order, in the 2000’s Mcnabb was in the nfl during the Manning-Brady era, and played playoff football year in, and year out-Just sayin.
I'm with Hugh Douglas on this one. In addition to everything he mentioned, McNabb had a QB rating over 90 only 3x , has no real passing records, and no Super Bowl rings. Why should he get in?
Xavier Vega rings don't mean my ass
Except McNabb dosen't have the stats to make it in without Super Bowl rings.
Hugh -- If you go on his argument then basically he's saying that Emmitt Smith shouldn't be in the HOF based on his last bit of his career in Arizona. And we know what Skip Bayless was going to say. McNabb would get you to the playoff but he wouldn't get you the ring but had the ability. Cris Carter is about the only HOFer I know who didn't have a ring.
Of course he should be
And not to mention Hugh said that McNabb didn't embrace the city of Philly. Yeah he did get boo'd when he was drafted and that's only because most all of us Philly fans wanted Ricky Williams... but we see how that worked for us. We boo'd him but he proved himself that the Eagles organization made the right choice. Not quite a HOFer in my opinion but he was a great QB nevertheless
He was a good QB not great. When it comes to great QB, Tom Brady comes in mind, Drew Brees comes in mind, Aaron Rodgers comes in mind, Roethlis. comes in mind.
McNabb was nowhere close in that QB class. Good QB nothing more nothing less.
How can Mcnabb embrace the city of Philthy? They booed him when he got drafted. I don’t blame him for embracing Philly. He’s going to the hall of fame. Not first ballot but he’ll get in.
HALL OF FAMER ...PERIOD
She basically said and repeated that if you are a Top 5 QB for 5 Years that should make you a Hall of Famer...On what Planet?
mcnabb is a hall of famer.
PatriotsNation12 I don't think so if he does get in it won't be until the second or third ballot only got to one Superbowl played in 5 NFC title games and McNabb treated Owens like trash when he wanted an extension but you had the back of Westbrook it's sad
blackstar15
That's just your opinion. Owens did a lot to segregate himself from the rest of the team but I do realize his talent and production on the field. However Donovan McNabb was no slouch and played with plenty of bums and still got his team to NFC championships which isn't exactly easy.
James8107 he never had an elite wide out I'll give you that he never had a great team but he alienated Owens as well remember the bucs didn't play well in the cold but yet still destroyed the eagles in that NFC title game when the games mattered most he wasn't ready for primetime
A sub 90 QB rating in this day and age, zero all pros, zero SBs, only 1 season over 30 TDs and 6 pro bowls in 13 years?
"Great stats"??
Payton Manning was benched the last season and he's a top 5 greatest QB ever... Also Tom Brady was benched one game for failing miserably. He's the greatest ever. Ignorant coaches and a bad game don't discredit a great player. However, McNabb was never a hall of fame QB. He was a decent QB who was explosive at times. He was also the reason his team never won a Superbowl with him. Interceptions in a moment you must drive and score is what splits good from great. Great QBs throw interceptions but not in the clutch. Good ones fold and make that mistake.
Id Put Cunningham in BUt not him
@@bezllama3325 I wouldn't let Cunningham anywhere near the hall of fame. That's a place for players that the history of rhe NFL couldn't be told without mentioning them. You could easily tell the history of his time in the NFL and not mention him. Especially more than once. At least McNabb would be relevant enough to be mentioned a few times. More so than Vick or Cunningham. Now a team hall of fame yes. He was a big part of a team but he was just a footnote to the NFL.
You guys are hilarious by looking at his stats . There good overall and it isn't always about stats it's about the way the player performs . He played very good and had a good arm and good mobility . He been to NFL championships .
He doesn't have a ring so what ? That isn't his fault , the patriots D in that SB was very good .
He changed the eagles from a joke to a franchise . He stArted that legacy with Reid .
McNabb is a hall of famer anyone who says otherwise is stupid
if he kept good receivers I'm sure things would've played out different.. I'm gonna say no.
Of course
what were they thinking like wtf
NO WAY!!! Barfed in the huddle during Super Bowl!
vambo13257 if I was I would of did too he was so fuckig nervous
vambo13257 So he got there, oh
I mean that’s pretty good 300 yards 3 tuddies …3 picks not good n lost to the patriots hungover ???… not bad
Who cares what bugged out jemele hill thinks I’m a real die hard eagles fan huge Douglas at his position should be a hall a famer he stayed doing his job mcnabb lack of leadership skills alone with barfing in the garbage can you can’t look bad at the end of the movie and say what a great movie we watch brain Westbrook TO Og brain Dawkins huge Douglas Andy Reid mad mcbum look good I was mad we drafted mcbum out of Syracuse I was mad
If McNabb deserves to be in the HOF then Dak Prescott..
Because with less talent.. no coaching ... Dakota Prescott has the same wins.. Daks smokes McNabb in numbers. Period
sush... for a decade, this cat was the best qb in the league
Hell no! Check the numbers: in his 11 seasons with the Eagles, he had only 3 seasons with a QB rating over 90.
He was a good, not a great, QB.
His stats are not beautiful and he didn't throw many tds per season but Troy Akmain only three for 20+ tds once in his entire career
Michael Finnegan big difference aikman has 3 rings. Mcnabb has 0
So? Airman had an amazing squad
So Eli Manning, based on this, should not get in?
This argument doesn’t hold up years later.
Look at T.O. he had great statistics but he only lasted a few seasons with each team. How he acted on and off the field isn't what NFL wants to show as one of the greats but he made the hall of Fame. It took longer than Donovan McNabb entire career before they got back to the super bowl. He just didn't have any real talent on the team to help him get to the super bowl. Look at the Dallas and Eagles game when he had to out run almost the entire defense
Lol Brady was benched twice after this
Hill only one that knows
Troy Aikman is in, and McNabb had better numbers 🤷🏻♂️
not very great stats.... average stats. little above that
Donovan carries average to blow average teams to the playoffs all the time
Mcabb will never make it. Had he won one ring with 5 NFC champ game appearances i think he gets in, but he fell just short. I will always argue Mcnabb did the most with the least talent at the skill position in the modern era.
Absolutely not.
Fuck no. This guy who lost 3 straight NFC championships then proved his inability to run a 3 minute drill at the end of the Super Bowl?
Overrated.
Y’all wilding. He’s not a Hall Of Famer
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HEEEEEEELLLLLL NOOOOO!!!
You smoking crack
Before jamele hill was a racist. She was so cool
Hugh is Brainwashed! Trying to figure anyway to not put him in hall of fame... Personality? Philly didn’t embrace him? Really?? Even Marino didn’t put theat fear in you of a great running QB. Marino was an excellent passer but running with the ball is a great X factor also!! They keep moving the goal post with McNabb...Ohh, if he got all of this, then he doesn’t have that.
DAN MARINO DIDNT WIN SHIT LOOK AT HIS PLAYOFF RECORD... A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE HALL DIDNT WIN SHIT!!!! SOME NOT EVEN A PLAYOFF GAME..
Just an average qb but not a HOF
No
He ain't a hall of famer.
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Fuck no. People talk about Tony Romo never winning, this guys actually had the defense and the team to get him a ring. He's been to 5 NFC title games and couldn't get it done. If McNabb goes in then put Romo in.
shortstackJMD96 How many championship games has romo been in?
shortstackJMD96 typical idiot cowboys fan.... hating on McNabb for beating your tails for 11 years. go outside the scope of your own team and actually use your intelligence! don't even compare the 2. McNabb was way better and more successful than Romo. and before u try to mention your little rookie QB dak, 1 year says nothing. even if he finds a way to win the SB this year. talk to me in 5 years after he's been doing it for a while. let's see if he makes it to 5 championship games. and no, McNabb didn't have all the tools around him. a defense? yes. an o - line? yes. a hof rb? not a hof but a couple decent ones. but the big issue was wr. he had 1 season with a good wr and look what happened! super bowl. and if that wr had 2 good legs that day, Donovan would have his ring. see, u gotta go outside the scope of your team and think rationally. me as an eagles fan, if someone asks me if Aikman was better than McNabb, immediately I say yes. so be more intelligent
shortstackJMD96 how many playoffs games did Romo win ??
Only 4 nfc titles game only tony Romo. Romo screwed his career up by injuries he's to weak. donavan mcnabb vs packers Brett Favre best qb ever
Well you can't really respect a division rivals opinion about your qb.I'm an EAGLES fan I don't think that tony Romo is more then average. I don't think cousins or rg3 were EVER good. I think Eli is equivalent to jay cutler. And yes I'm for real
Those women add NOTHING to the discussion.
Eli got in mcnabb is better than eli who basically showed up in the playoffs where he played some of his best football
Brady and Manning way over protected and have asterisk careers. But McNabb I agree is a little short of HOF. I've seen McNabb take hits that Brady or Manning can't handle
She’s adding cap he was never no top 5 quarterback she so pro black it’s shadows common since that’s why she ain’t got no job with her woke behind please with woke ish
HELL NO
-Eagles fan
Wow and eagles fan doesn't realize who has the most passing yards in eagles history
Tom mcbum is no hall of famer he ain’t never been the best player on his team NEVER bum
Who is Tom Mcbum?
hell no!
nah he didnt nothing... these last couples of years HOF players play a full career and not get washed up and team hop around and sticking in free agency
Ridiculous. Interception machine. His back-ups were better than him. Overrated, because he was a black QB when the NFL was promoting that and black coaches in there political push at the time.
Warren Moon didn't win half as much as McNabb did but he's in
Moon had numbers that McNabb couldn't even fathom of ever having, not to mention the former spent a portion of his career in the CFL... Moon would almost certainly be maybe the most prolific quarterback in NFL history had he played in the NFL longer.
Timmy Sullivan and the Eagles had a better team around McNabb than the Oilers had around Moon.
You must realize that Moon would have been the guy to reset every record known to the QB position if the black QB at the time was seen worthy to play the position at the time not Dan Marino not Brett Favre Warren moon was the first to throw for 70,000 plus yards in pro football. He went to the CFL and won the championship every season until the NFL had no choice but to let him in that's when free agency was born.
Warren Moon is a legend in TWO pro football leagues and is in the Hall of Fame in BOTH leagues. Also, most Americans don't realize that when Moon was in the CFL and was part of the Eskimoes 5-consecutive Grey Cup Dynasty, the CFL's talent was very much on par with the NFL's and if you don't believe me ask any NFL GM at the time (Bill Polian for example will tell you it's true). The NFL's salaries skyrocketed after the 1985 season and the CFL could no longer compete, but for decades the CFL was getting top talent because they actually paid higher salaries than the NFL was paying at the time.
Warren Moon was 41 and STILL lighting it up in the NFL, lol. Hell, he made the Pro Bowl with 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS and was 41 the last time he made it!
Man Brady and Manning got plenty rings so of course it’s a no brainer
He's not a HoF Skip said facts McNabb had the chances could have made more SB at least and won one. T. O > McNabb