Man that answered a lot of questions. I build doors for a living and one of our big customers come in with an order that had pocket doors with bores and face plate routing. Now our regular pockets doors don't get anything usually. It stomped my supervisor and all of us in the doorstop working on the order when we found out they wanted pocket doors with bores in them. Now I can explain to the boys at work why the customer wants pocket doors like that.
Cost 2 bucks too, no installation mess works perfectly, this idea is funny because without the small hook on the deadbolt 😂 deadbolt lol, the thing wouldn't work so yeah I'm with you a hook latch... Tah dah
Saw one made by a blacksmith. It was an L shaped lever with an angled hook end. A plate on the Jam engaged the angled face on the hook such that the hook pulled the door closed. It was large, with the handle being four fingers. It worked very well. It's the little fiddly bits that don't work well.
The very first pocket door I ever saw was in my grandparents new home in Bradenton, FL in 1963 - it was their master bathroom door. Not enough are used today in tight spaces - lots of non-creative architects & builders out there. There are easily places for three in our home’s upstairs jack & jill bath.
Just wondering about that lock Can’t you just slide the door open? I looks like a dead bolt and the way the door opens makes it useless unless I’m missing something.
No, go back and watch carefully. There's a saw-tooth clip that pops up on the lock bar that anchors it to the inside of the door when the lock is in its fully locked position. It's small, but it's more than enough to keep the door locked from casual entry. When unlocking the clip snaps back down before retracting the lock bar. I question the efficacy of a lock like this in an intruder situation. But it'd definitely keep someone from barging in on you.
My problem with pocket doors is that the handles often have a shallow, angled surface that makes closing it difficult if there is the least resistance.
Omg what a game changer. I used to install dozens of those pocket door latches you first showed, on every new home from a couple builders around here, and they are horrible. First off they are cheap. Second I had to cut a literal square out of brand new doors for each one, permanently ruining that door from having any other type of lock. Wish we had these then.
I have pocket doors. They are great for doors that rarely need to be closed. Like the water closet in the master bath. The only time it gets closed is when I walk in to shower when the wife is in the water closet. But they really solve the issue of the swinging door wasted space. When designing a house it is amazing how much space you have to waste to allow doors to swing.
@@cgschow1971if the ventilation fan is it in the toilet room then it would keep the smell in. That would be a big plus. However you'd need an open top above the door to make sure the fan is sucking out the humid shower air....
No difference just install the regular one correctly and you will have no issues. I put them in all the time never have any issues out of them and I go in homes that have old ones and if they’re installed correctly, they are still functional.
Pocket door locks are notoriously terrible unless you spend a lot of money. The one you just sold, doesn’t look that much better than any of the others. It’s best uses for things that don’t necessarily need to be locked.
I agree that the old square locks are useless. I use old pre-hung😮 doors for all my pocket doors since I always seem to have one handy/available and you won’t see the mortised hing in the door due to its location. You can always plane the mortised hing if it makes u feel better
They have a router jig that you use for all of this. That made my life a lot easier. Couldn't find it anywhere else and I forget where I shopped for it. But if you do some research, I'm sure you can find it. I'm sure you're happy with what you're doing right now with the tools you got. Just figured I'd let you know.
I have used ones that are essentially a lever lock, on the door itself there is a groove in the metal for the handle and then on the jamb you install basically a toggle switch like the interior side of a deadbolt that flips over a small metal latch into the groove on the door handle locking the door. Very sleek, doesn’t stand out at all or catch the eye seeming out of place but is very effective at locking the door.
@@zbelair7218 - this deadbolt isn’t a security deadbolt intended to keep intruders out. It’s intended to protect the privacy of the person using that bathroom, and to do that with a pocket door some type of hook is needed, unless you use one of those locks that drops into the ground and goes up into the door header frame.
I've only had experience with pocket doors a couple of times and I've always thought they were wonderful. Thought they were neat. I've never had to live with one and I've never had to work on one
I tried to steer so many clients in this direction for years. I hate pocket doors but sometimes they are necessary. When they are necessary they should be absolutely perfect just as any other door
My house was different growing up. We had a toilet with one of these doors, but we rarely ever locked it. If it was closed, you were supposed to knock to check if it was occupied. If it was open, you were supposed to know that it was vacant, and if the door was half open you would know that you might want to wait a minute or two before going in.
Drill a hole on the opposite side of the closed door; once closed, you can install a pin-type retainer lock. This will prevent the door from being opened from the outside, similar to a sliding glass door mechanism.
Are there any latches that are ADA compliant? Thank you for posting. Blessings, Health, Prosperity and Peace to you and yours and to all who read this! 😘👍😇💖
I built residential and commercial for 30 years. In building, I learned one valuable lesson. Never buy a Ryobi tool. I bought a detail sander made by Ryobi, plugged it in, and after a few minutes, I realized a block of wood with sand paper wrapped around it worked 10 times better than their sander. I threw the damn thing in the trash. I do have to admit Ryobi tools come in pretty boxes.
Very cool The only thing you forgot to show was on the vertical cuts for your latch you got to use a utility knife and not use your chisel. You know you'll split the door if you hit the edge with a chisel.
11 year trim carpenter here, and I hate both of those lol they both don't work well or stay.in adjustment for very long. In the custom home world we are blessed to use the emtek deep mortise hardware. It takes special mortiser if you don't get them mortised from factory. But they are the best pocket door hardware I've ever installed.
I have used both and prefer the square version he's got in his video for one simple reason: if you have the pocket door fully recessed, the square lock has a small "L" shaped lever built in to the spine of the door that allows you to pull the door out of its pocket. The kind he's advertising does not. Good luck getting the door out of its pocket.
Yes, the version he is installing has a spring-loaded extension that pops out to grab. I'm actually on site right now with one next to me that I'm about to install. There's no problem getting the door out of the pocket. The square ones are inferior.
I hate pocket doors because ones used frequently tend to wear and jump the track , fixing them is no simple job , you won’t find any in my new home . 👍🇨🇦
Builders don't want to put pocket doors in anymore. We have three and we love them because they are so practical. How difficult is it to install them at a later time? We are building now and would like a contractor to put them in after we close on the house?
If anything, I want a bathroom door that can open easily. A slip in the shower can be a lot more dangerous if people can't get to you to help. A simple lock that can be unlocked from both sides is sufficient. As long as everyone respects the lock you have no problem.
For all those watching, whether you're a savvy maintenance worker or a DIY homeowner, here's a tip that might save you some laughter. You need a latch for a sliding door because if you use a lock designed for a swing door, the door can still slide open even when locked. So remember, the right lock for the right door!
Have you tried the chisel on the face of the Blu-Mol to cut out the recess for the locking bolt face. I like it becuse it gets you close (depth) and minimizes the amount of work with the chisel.
I do Trimwork ( interior finish carpentry) I never had any problems with the square type. They are easy to put on. I had problems with the round locks. Maybe the brand you are showing is different.
Wait, when you try to slide the door open with the deadbolt locked, what’s stopping it from just sliding out of the lock? Wouldn’t you need a hooked lock?
Man that answered a lot of questions. I build doors for a living and one of our big customers come in with an order that had pocket doors with bores and face plate routing. Now our regular pockets doors don't get anything usually. It stomped my supervisor and all of us in the doorstop working on the order when we found out they wanted pocket doors with bores in them. Now I can explain to the boys at work why the customer wants pocket doors like that.
Sorry to hear about your super getting stomped. Hopefully he recovers soon.
@@sibco96very sad.
Sorry to hear about the super as well mate. Best of luck. No one should be stomped.
@@vt4784 😆 not physically stomped, we just werent expecting it.
@@charlesfields7908 i wouldn't have expected that either. Hope he gets well soon mate.
Used the same one for my bathroom remodel pocket door. Works great and can't beat the easy install
I put a hook latch at the top of mine because of this issue, THANK YOU!
Locks
Cost 2 bucks too, no installation mess works perfectly, this idea is funny because without the small hook on the deadbolt 😂 deadbolt lol, the thing wouldn't work so yeah I'm with you a hook latch... Tah dah
Yeah I'm still putting the hook latch on there because when I want privacy in the bathroom I'm getting privacy in the bathroom
I love that Mortise tool, I just bought it after watching this. I have 4 deadbolts to install at my mom's house and this will make the job easier.
get this guy a fan
I saw that! drippin like me today mowin the lawn in 88 degree weather.
@@2ryan470 88 degrees? That's tolerable.
Saw one made by a blacksmith. It was an L shaped lever with an angled hook end. A plate on the Jam engaged the angled face on the hook such that the hook pulled the door closed. It was large, with the handle being four fingers. It worked very well. It's the little fiddly bits that don't work well.
I was just thinking that i would not be able to turn the lock that i wouldnt be able to grip the fiddly bit.
Then you slide the door out because that was just a normal looking deadbolt no?
@@stanch_airit actually has a small little hook on the deadbolt if you look really close when he’s showing locking and unlocking
I'm glad they finally started making them for a reasonable price.
The very first pocket door I ever saw was in my grandparents new home in Bradenton, FL in 1963 - it was their master bathroom door.
Not enough are used today in tight spaces - lots of non-creative architects & builders out there. There are easily places for three in our home’s upstairs jack & jill bath.
My bathroom pocket door is stuck and of no use now😢
RUclips has solutions for stuck pocket doors. do a search. :)
@@prashantsharma8803
They should only be used as a very last resort. I am not a fan of them at all.
Less wall space for switches and outlets but go ahead and
Just wondering about that lock
Can’t you just slide the door open? I looks like a dead bolt and the way the door opens makes it useless unless I’m missing something.
No, go back and watch carefully. There's a saw-tooth clip that pops up on the lock bar that anchors it to the inside of the door when the lock is in its fully locked position. It's small, but it's more than enough to keep the door locked from casual entry. When unlocking the clip snaps back down before retracting the lock bar.
I question the efficacy of a lock like this in an intruder situation. But it'd definitely keep someone from barging in on you.
@@NorthshireGamingis for bathroom doors at your house. Not for security
@@Meltman1000 you're missing his point
I had to watch it twice to sse the little hooks on the deadbolt. I thought the same thing at first too lol
I do this shit for a living, and I'm a little confused myself?
My square lock works perfectly
My problem with pocket doors is that the handles often have a shallow, angled surface that makes closing it difficult if there is the least resistance.
reeva steenkamp would also agree.
Sorry, I am sick in the head.
Yeah those have been a thing for 70+ years
This doesn’t fix that. Also hard to use with nails.
Exactly. The problem still exists. Better but still takes finger strength. In a narrow shallow poorly designed handle.
It's easy to add a pull handle to the door above the pocket door lock, and make it more accessible.
Omg what a game changer. I used to install dozens of those pocket door latches you first showed, on every new home from a couple builders around here, and they are horrible. First off they are cheap. Second I had to cut a literal square out of brand new doors for each one, permanently ruining that door from having any other type of lock. Wish we had these then.
I have pocket doors. They are great for doors that rarely need to be closed. Like the water closet in the master bath. The only time it gets closed is when I walk in to shower when the wife is in the water closet. But they really solve the issue of the swinging door wasted space. When designing a house it is amazing how much space you have to waste to allow doors to swing.
Why do you need to close a door around your wife when you shower?
I really can't stand a separate toilet room in a master bath. If you have a problem with a spouse watching you poop, then get therapy.
@@cgschow1971if the ventilation fan is it in the toilet room then it would keep the smell in. That would be a big plus. However you'd need an open top above the door to make sure the fan is sucking out the humid shower air....
Dude that jig is awesome!!!! I've never seen that!!!
No difference just install the regular one correctly and you will have no issues. I put them in all the time never have any issues out of them and I go in homes that have old ones and if they’re installed correctly, they are still functional.
I got the square one. Works just fine.
I'm changing both of the sliders! Perfect.
Pocket door locks are notoriously terrible unless you spend a lot of money. The one you just sold, doesn’t look that much better than any of the others. It’s best uses for things that don’t necessarily need to be locked.
YES! Perfect solution 👌 😉
Simplicity is best 👌 👍 well done 👏
Make Your Happiness 😊 ❤
I agree that the old square locks are useless. I use old pre-hung😮 doors for all my pocket doors since I always seem to have one handy/available and you won’t see the mortised hing in the door due to its location. You can always plane the mortised hing if it makes u feel better
I live the newer latches just installed 3 of them last winter and they worked great.
We have the exact same one. Works great👍🏽
They have a router jig that you use for all of this. That made my life a lot easier. Couldn't find it anywhere else and I forget where I shopped for it. But if you do some research, I'm sure you can find it. I'm sure you're happy with what you're doing right now with the tools you got. Just figured I'd let you know.
I have used ones that are essentially a lever lock, on the door itself there is a groove in the metal for the handle and then on the jamb you install basically a toggle switch like the interior side of a deadbolt that flips over a small metal latch into the groove on the door handle locking the door. Very sleek, doesn’t stand out at all or catch the eye seeming out of place but is very effective at locking the door.
All that precision work just to realise you installed a shoot bolt on a sliding door! Genius!!!
Bingo...lol open it right up
Nope@@miguelcjr777
Nope, use your eyes.
Impressive how they always make it look so easy.
O. M. G. That solves my problem! Thank you ever so much! ❤❤❤
How does a deadbolt keep the door from sliding?
Great question lol😊
The deadbolt has vertical fins when locked. Watch again you'll see them activate when he has it out.
I was like wtf!? 😂😂
@@JORGE1234567899kinda defeats the purpose of the deadbolt.....all around stupid idea.
@@zbelair7218 - this deadbolt isn’t a security deadbolt intended to keep intruders out. It’s intended to protect the privacy of the person using that bathroom, and to do that with a pocket door some type of hook is needed, unless you use one of those locks that drops into the ground and goes up into the door header frame.
I didn't know that mortise tool was a thing until this video! I'm definitely getting one!
The pocket latch is amazing on those type of doors and most people have no clue how to unlock it from the locked side
Deadbolt on a door that slides seems like a screen door on a submarine
😂.
The lock goes up and down out of the bolt lol
there are "fins" that pop out when the lock is activated, which keeps the door from just sliding open.
That’s so freaking smooth , I like how easy that installation was.
I've only had experience with pocket doors a couple of times and I've always thought they were wonderful. Thought they were neat. I've never had to live with one and I've never had to work on one
Beautiful woodworking.
I love the sq. latch pull.
Need product name please
More expensive with reduced reliability. Theres the name.
Crazy, I did the reverse. Took out the round one for the square one!!! Each his own.
You brought back memories from when I was 5 and at my grandpa's with that pocket latch... Those things suck!
Jamb lock works great too and a better price point if you have budget contraints
Love the install, check out Ryobe's latch tool. A few pound cut most of the wood, and the other end lets you chisel out the recess.
I’ve always preferred to put locks at the split jamb. It is just so easy, and VERY secure.
I like it never used that style
If it's a flush bolt with no hook lock. How's it going to lock???
If you look closely there's latches that come out the top and bottom when the bolt is deployed
Didnt watch the whole video? It's a special bolt.
I tried to steer so many clients in this direction for years. I hate pocket doors but sometimes they are necessary. When they are necessary they should be absolutely perfect just as any other door
I like how you set the clutch. Certainly don't want to over tighten the screws
Great latch!
Cavity sliders are brilliant.
My house was different growing up.
We had a toilet with one of these doors, but we rarely ever locked it.
If it was closed, you were supposed to knock to check if it was occupied. If it was open, you were supposed to know that it was vacant, and if the door was half open you would know that you might want to wait a minute or two before going in.
Drill a hole on the opposite side of the closed door; once closed, you can install a pin-type retainer lock. This will prevent the door from being opened from the outside, similar to a sliding glass door mechanism.
I hate getting pinched, and the noise of these doors.
We place those on our WIC, and we just added some concealed handles, b/c that one is hard to use to slide the door, but locks perfectly.
Yes! I wish I had this 20 years ago when I was in high school... my brothers would just flip the latch and came in
I actually love pocket doors and Dutch doors.
Awesome job . You have videos of pocket door install
Cool, good work:)
Are there any latches that are ADA compliant? Thank you for posting. Blessings, Health, Prosperity and Peace to you and yours and to all who read this! 😘👍😇💖
Nice job!
Cool lock!!
Can it still be unlocked from the outside being as it is a bathroom door? (Normal building safety code).
I want to know what tool you use to drill the lockset holes. It looks a lot more sturdy than the Ryobi one.
I built residential and commercial for 30 years. In building, I learned one valuable lesson. Never buy a Ryobi tool. I bought a detail sander made by Ryobi, plugged it in, and after a few minutes, I realized a block of wood with sand paper wrapped around it worked 10 times better than their sander. I threw the damn thing in the trash. I do have to admit Ryobi tools come in pretty boxes.
🙌💯Thank you Sir👍. Awesome idea🤔🙋♂️
I had a bathroom pocket door with a square latch and it worked perfectly for years... If not it just needs adjusting
Great job..looks GREAT!😀
Looks great but how is that going to lock the door
I love pocket doors
Very nice !
How does a straight bolt work on a pocket door? The pocket door slides, not swing. So wouldn’t the bolt just slide out as the door slides?
It has a spike coming out, it can be seen
Did you even watch?
You make it look so easy and I am too afraid to try, live alone at least...no lock after 7 years. LOL FM.66
This is great!
Very secure lock bud 10/10
Very cool The only thing you forgot to show was on the vertical cuts for your latch you got to use a utility knife and not use your chisel. You know you'll split the door if you hit the edge with a chisel.
Very smooth👍
11 year trim carpenter here, and I hate both of those lol they both don't work well or stay.in adjustment for very long. In the custom home world we are blessed to use the emtek deep mortise hardware. It takes special mortiser if you don't get them mortised from factory. But they are the best pocket door hardware I've ever installed.
First time putting one of those in with NO special tools or drill bits was 3 hours of cursing.
What is the brand/name of the product?
I have used both and prefer the square version he's got in his video for one simple reason: if you have the pocket door fully recessed, the square lock has a small "L" shaped lever built in to the spine of the door that allows you to pull the door out of its pocket. The kind he's advertising does not. Good luck getting the door out of its pocket.
Yes, the version he is installing has a spring-loaded extension that pops out to grab. I'm actually on site right now with one next to me that I'm about to install. There's no problem getting the door out of the pocket. The square ones are inferior.
@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 yo 2"3/8 setback gang.
I've installed a lot of those old square ones. Takes a bit of time for a clean installation.
But how does that lock? The bokt would just go into the jam and then the door would still slide away, right?
Nah bro it's got a saw tooth clip on the top of it
... small THINKERs
. small MINDs
SMALL "DOOR" LATCHS
Wow. I hate pocket door for that same reason. Thanks.
I hate pocket doors because ones used frequently tend to wear and jump the track , fixing them is no simple job , you won’t find any in my new home . 👍🇨🇦
@@cameronhamer9432 over time weight and setting of a house will become a problem. Then the latch will not catch the sticker.
Question: Will those Kwikset locks fit into my existing builder- grade pocket door lock area? I can’t re-cut anything. Thank you
It’s a pocket door!!! Bolt lock? This is hysterical.
Wow. Where did you get that tool? Makes the process look so much easier.
That's way better than what I got
I would love to do this type of construction
Builders don't want to put pocket doors in anymore. We have three and we love them because they are so practical. How difficult is it to install them at a later time? We are building now and would like a contractor to put them in after we close on the house?
If anything, I want a bathroom door that can open easily. A slip in the shower can be a lot more dangerous if people can't get to you to help. A simple lock that can be unlocked from both sides is sufficient. As long as everyone respects the lock you have no problem.
Does it work after it gets knocked out of balance, mine constantly get misaligned.
For all those watching, whether you're a savvy maintenance worker or a DIY homeowner, here's a tip that might save you some laughter. You need a latch for a sliding door because if you use a lock designed for a swing door, the door can still slide open even when locked. So remember, the right lock for the right door!
Nice, now how do we fix it? These things stop working easily. Mine is currently not working.
Where did you get your sore knob jig? It looks awesome!
Sore knob? Time to give it a rest.
Great job😅😊
so it locks the same way a regular pocket door does? with a hook latch? space age stuff.
Have you tried the chisel on the face of the Blu-Mol to cut out the recess for the locking bolt face. I like it becuse it gets you close (depth) and minimizes the amount of work with the chisel.
Can you use a regular door handle on the inside as an option?
That little hook is pretty slick, but I still hate pocket doors.
So what keeps the dead bolt from just sliding out as you slide the pocket door open????
My dad needs this for his pocket doors. His pocket doors don’t ever close completely anymore and of course they don’t latch.
I do Trimwork ( interior finish carpentry)
I never had any problems with the square type. They are easy to put on. I had problems with the round locks.
Maybe the brand you are showing is different.
What I hate is when they get off track up in the top of the door. What a pain!!
It slides back and forth. What stops it from sliding back? Not understanding what makes it lock.
Wait, when you try to slide the door open with the deadbolt locked, what’s stopping it from just sliding out of the lock? Wouldn’t you need a hooked lock?
There is a small hook on the top of the deadbolt