- Plays a thousand years old game - Makes a one hour lecture about the 10 greatest moves of all time - Puts 2 of his own moves - Fully elaborates GIGABENJAMIN
Finegold's comedic timing makes me smile - when everyone is silent after the joke, just pause & wait patiently for a long time to give them more of an opportunity to laugh lol
it seems logical that "the worst move" is a combination of a player's strength and how bad the move isFor example, . Kramnik vs Fritz mate in 1 definetely would be in top 10 as well as Chigorin mate in 2 blunder against Steinitz
@@nothingspecial8968 I thought so too until i watched levy's aka gothamchess's worst move ever played video. I was skeptical at first, but it really was the worst move, worse than just a regular mate in 1 blunder. spoiler: It was a position where a player blundered a mate in 1 and at the same time created a position where the only legal move for the opponent was to mate him.
I'm trying Stockfish 14+ on lichess from Topalov Shirov position, and it didn't find Bh3. It was suggesting Bb1, starting from -4.2, arriving after the move at -2.4. Shirov's move actually goes to -4.9. Amazing!
I used Stockfish 15 on a regular computer and it took it 5 seconds to find it, good to see 15 is actually an improvement! Interestingly, unlike Ben it doesn't believe white is losing after 47 ... B.h3 48. K.f2 Bxg2. It thinks all 3 passed pawns can be stopped, very interesting
The reference to "Lucy you got some splainin' to do" got me. Everyone unfamiliar with I Love Lucy should immediately watch some re runs so you can understand and appreciate the reference. Thank you
I played this position as white versus Stockfish 8 as black on Lichess. Stockfish 8 chose a3 as the first move instead of Bh3 and I was able to hold the draw. Crazy that the computer did not see this move. I also played black against the computer using Bh3 as the first move and won easily with the exact same line as from the game.
At 57:41, has anyone considered that Fischer allowed Larsen board 1 because he (Fischer) didn't want to lose any trade secrets to Spassky, working on the assumption that he (Fischer) was going to be beating Larsen later on, and then facing Spassky in 1972 for the world championship. Thus, he wanted to keep his powder dry as far as possible for the title match 2 years later.
Hello GM Finegold. In the Florh v Geller game after white's move Kd3, I was able to find one of the more obscure losing move sequences that appeared to promise a win, but didn't. So after Kd3 then... ... Rd4+ Ke3 e4 Kxd4 Kf5 ... and all looked pretty swish for black. What I didn't see until some 6 minutes later, trying to see what resources there are for white, is Kd3 Rd4+ Ke3 e4 f5 ... and it all falls apart. But thank you for this and your other videos. You're GM Finegold, and I'm certainly not. Cheers
The guy who played white in the first game must have been so annoyed. Like nothing works to save him but he has a rook and a Knight. Can just imagine him either being rage mode or in awe at the magician sitting across from him I mean God damn that was awesome
Seems possible. Guess it would depend on the approximate strength of the players. It does seem very odd how white gives up a strong attack for the strange position that ensues.
It's also overrated. The move is certainly visually stunning, but analyzing it is hardly difficult. To rate a move as one of the best of all time, it should leave us non-GMs gasping at its depth of analysis and thinking, "I wouldn't find that move in a million years."
@@zanti4132 Kinda true. I would never find Shirov's bishop sacrifice lol it would absolutely never come to mind. It's neither a check nor a capture too.
Hey Ben! Thanks for the great content, I really enjoyed it. I'm curious if your opponent's move is a forced move in correspondence games (like in 29:52), instead of waiting for a month, do you used to send 2 moves at a time back then?
In "snail mail" games, correspondence players often use "if" moves to speed up the game and save postage. For example, if a game starts 1. e4, the player playing Black could respond "1...c5 (if 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6)." The White player would have the option to accept any or all of the "if" moves. Another option is sending an "if any" move, indicating you will play a certain move regarding of what your opponent plays. You had to be careful with "if any" moves, however. For example, if in response to 1. d4 you sent "1...g6 (if 2. any Bg7)" your opponent could reply "2. Bh6 Bg7 3. Bxg7," basically the correspondence chess equivalent of a premove blunder.
@@zanti4132 That was very informative and interesting to read, thank you! I guess while saving time, you can accidentally put yourself in an unfavorable position (if the move sequence is not forced). Giving away the line that you want to play, might result in your opponent to pick and choose whatever position they want to divert into.
@@ronusot Yeh, that was a definite risk in trying to speed up the game. With most games taking at least six months, if nothing else postal chess taught you patience.
on #2 at 21:30 what if black, instead of resigning, plays Knight to A5 guarding the bishop? The attack is still the same. If Queen then takes Knight on A5, Black can Bishop takes Bishop on G2 and the threat is still the same, if Queen Takes queen on D8 then rook on D7 takes Queen on D8, and it remains a 2 rooks vs 2 rooks threat on the back row. Black is thus down a piece, but does not get mated immediately? im here to learn, so by all means correct me here.
When I looked at the initial position I thought after Na5 that Re8+ looked good for white. Turns out the engine gave a different finishing move, Qxc8. A mate-in-3 follows shortly thereafter.
In the third game (Meier v muller), I think the engine says that bishop d4 is the right move, unless I set up the position wrong? Qc3 is white’s next move after rook takes bishop
I'm not sure the meier v muller game actually happened. The only reference to it is in a "best moves" book that came out in 2000 and it said it took place in "switzerland" in "1994" without any furhter detail. I think it's a chess study rather than an actual position. It doesn't appear in Chessbase either, or any other database I can find.
Many good videos you have. Marshallś brilliance is no 1 Bronstein thought my game "Fischer Bronstein" no 1. Played corr chess likely 5 games in Kasparov Karpov were played like my corr games. Chess is too much work i took PhD. .
I can find amazingly little information about the Meier-Müller game. Where was it played? When? Is it in any chess games database? it’s listed in the video as having been played in Wijk 1993, but that doesn’t seem to be the case
My guess on the first one is pawn e5. Im looking at it and I have a feeling its gonna be tough to stop. Its also an extremely strange looking move given the situation in the position. So that's my guess. (btw this was my guess before he started talking about the passed pawns.. lol)
Hearing the raves about Spassky's play in the Larsen-Spassky game from numerous sources got me curious, so I gave the position with the rook sacrifice to Stockfish. The engine isn't that impressed. It rates Rh1 about +7 but considers it only the third best move, giving higher scores to Bxe3 and Qh4. Inasmuch as Qh4 is the type of move club players like myself would play, I can't see Rh1 as deserving of the adulation it gets.
Your evaluation is silly. It is the equivalent of saying "Some humans designed a UFO and all the other humans are raving about it, so I sent it to the alien who is the best UFO designer in the galaxy, and it wasn't that impressed"
Tal had divorced and had a new lady. Everyone was surprised his ex lived also with the new couple. Spassky explained:"Tal always liked complicated positions!"
So higher rated players aren't meeting expectations when facing lower rated players but its not inflation. Riiiiight. Boy i love Fide more and more everyday just like Fischer. If i ever became a trillionaire i would use my money to usurp fide and create an atp style chess league with points that fall off annually. there would be no protection. I would probably do away with classical chess. no one cares about that. Blitz for the ratings.
Terrible opinion. Imagine wanting to ruin a beautiful game with potential for brilliant displays of what the human intellect is capable of by replacing it with silly speed matches. It's like replacing movies at the theater with tiktok compilations.
Ben's content is entertaining and insightful but I wish he did not speak like he's shouting all the time. On the one hand it's very exhausting to listen to for any length of time. On the other hand I want to hear more of what he's got to say. What's that rattle?
- Plays a thousand years old game
- Makes a one hour lecture about the 10 greatest moves of all time
- Puts 2 of his own moves
- Fully elaborates
GIGABENJAMIN
Finegold's comedic timing makes me smile - when everyone is silent after the joke, just pause & wait patiently for a long time to give them more of an opportunity to laugh lol
The jokes are often references to popular culture from before the kids were born.
It's good stuff 😂
He put two of his own games in😄
What a madlad
How humble he only put 2. Go Ben! But stay here
I've just started and if f3 is not one of the moves it doesn't count...
@@sir_Edguhh xD
Okay, so what then? He is a GM, he must have won 100's of such games.
After all these years, I think I experienced my first ever "Confusing the Audience" moment on the Flohr v Geller King move.
the most glorious thing about his humor is that you can never be sure if it's humor, or if he's just incredibly full of himself.
it’s both. And that’s why it works!
He's extremely self-deprecating, but gives himself credit where it's due. Good formula!
That move Geller made was completely amazing. Even after seeing it, its still hard to believe it
"I have two rooks. One for each of ya."
Ben simply cannot stop quoting Tombstone 🤩
How did 1.e4 not make it to the top 10 best moves of all time?
😂😂😂
recommended by Fischer!
@@danbrooks5060 The Fish himself!
lol.
mainly etc
This is great and all but it would be great if there was a lecture on the 10 worst moves of all time
they all would just be 'mate in 1' nothing much special in that bid tbh
it seems logical that "the worst move" is a combination of a player's strength and how bad the move isFor example, . Kramnik vs Fritz mate in 1 definetely would be in top 10 as well as Chigorin mate in 2 blunder against Steinitz
@@andreiskorobogatykh5832 We do that everyday lmao
d4
@@nothingspecial8968 I thought so too until i watched levy's aka gothamchess's worst move ever played video. I was skeptical at first, but it really was the worst move, worse than just a regular mate in 1 blunder.
spoiler: It was a position where a player blundered a mate in 1 and at the same time created a position where the only legal move for the opponent was to mate him.
I'm trying Stockfish 14+ on lichess from Topalov Shirov position, and it didn't find Bh3. It was suggesting Bb1, starting from -4.2, arriving after the move at -2.4. Shirov's move actually goes to -4.9. Amazing!
I used Stockfish 15 on a regular computer and it took it 5 seconds to find it, good to see 15 is actually an improvement! Interestingly, unlike Ben it doesn't believe white is losing after 47 ... B.h3 48. K.f2 Bxg2. It thinks all 3 passed pawns can be stopped, very interesting
Dont use stock fish ,understand it , got the tactic we are human not like an engine,we are not understand what engine move, be a human ,
@@KikanKikan-wb1wrlooks like engine wrote this comment
@@KikanKikan-wb1wr smell the blood in the water, be a fucking shark
The reference to "Lucy you got some splainin' to do" got me.
Everyone unfamiliar with I Love Lucy should immediately watch some re runs so you can understand and appreciate the reference. Thank you
You're welcome
Some marvelous moves in there - the first game is best, I think.
Wow! These really are 10 Chess moves of all time!
I guessed rook takes c2 but with no idea of the complications that followed. This may be Ben's top ten master classes !
I played this position as white versus Stockfish 8 as black on Lichess. Stockfish 8 chose a3 as the first move instead of Bh3 and I was able to hold the draw. Crazy that the computer did not see this move. I also played black against the computer using Bh3 as the first move and won easily with the exact same line as from the game.
Use stockfish 15 + NNUE you dummy
That's funny. Computers too miss these crazy moves.
Computers are plenty happy to get the fastest draw possible
There’s a lot of time in all of time
Very interesting! Another episode of 10 great moves.
Ive had enough of this lecture, except for one thing.Go Ben!!
the reason I follow you is to see your chess so I'm really glad about this selection
Ben is back! The videos are great again.
At 57:41, has anyone considered that Fischer allowed Larsen board 1 because he (Fischer) didn't want to lose any trade secrets to Spassky, working on the assumption that he (Fischer) was going to be beating Larsen later on, and then facing Spassky in 1972 for the world championship. Thus, he wanted to keep his powder dry as far as possible for the title match 2 years later.
Is this a re-upload?
edit: Yes
Really enjoyed that lecture!
Hello GM Finegold. In the Florh v Geller game after white's move Kd3, I was able to find one of the more obscure losing move sequences that appeared to promise a win, but didn't. So after Kd3 then...
... Rd4+
Ke3 e4
Kxd4 Kf5
... and all looked pretty swish for black. What I didn't see until some 6 minutes later, trying to see what resources there are for white, is
Kd3 Rd4+
Ke3 e4
f5 ... and it all falls apart.
But thank you for this and your other videos. You're GM Finegold, and I'm certainly not. Cheers
Looking forward to seeing this
The guy who played white in the first game must have been so annoyed. Like nothing works to save him but he has a rook and a Knight. Can just imagine him either being rage mode or in awe at the magician sitting across from him I mean God damn that was awesome
Chess historians seem to think the first position (Ortueta-Saenz) was actually composed.
Seems possible. Guess it would depend on the approximate strength of the players. It does seem very odd how white gives up a strong attack for the strange position that ensues.
Yeah like 3 crazy moves in a row, accompanying brilliant defensive resources by the opponent, doesn't seem very likely to happen in a real game.
31:55 saccing the queen on A6, rock A8, Rock B7 wins
Great Video! Just needed to include Frank James Marshall's legendary "Gold Coins Game" queen sac.
I like your teaching,nice stuff,remember the history is great
Great video, thanks Ben! Funny and love the explanations.
This is a template comment to push the algorithm, always a pleasure to have high level yet free regular chess education
Hey Ben, did you ever consider doing a video about Henrique Mecking to your Great Players of The Past series?
That first game was super cool.
My favourite move will always be Qg3!!! from the Gold Coin Game. Just because of how visually stunning it is.
Yeah but that move is too popular and too well known and analyzed so Ben didn't want to be redundant with it.
It's also overrated. The move is certainly visually stunning, but analyzing it is hardly difficult. To rate a move as one of the best of all time, it should leave us non-GMs gasping at its depth of analysis and thinking, "I wouldn't find that move in a million years."
@@zanti4132 Kinda true. I would never find Shirov's bishop sacrifice lol it would absolutely never come to mind. It's neither a check nor a capture too.
Great stuff, Ben!
32:51, and if you dont like even the second checkmate, Qxa6 is another checkmate :))
amazing video, thanks alot!
the 38:48 game reminds me of the Wilhelm Steinitz game, it looks somewhat similar
Regarding 12:18: I think Ben exaggerates the age difference between Flohr and Geller. Flohr was born in 1908, and Geller was born in 1925.
great video and moves
I almost got the Meier vs Muller one but I failed to realize that the bishop was available to come to that square. The truth hurts
is the mic detachable from the headphones? this video warranted for some mic drops :)
Pretty cool! Thanks!
Thank you Ben🎉🎉
Wes who? I missed Rxa3 but spotted Ben's Rxd6 almost instantly.
Hey Ben! Thanks for the great content, I really enjoyed it.
I'm curious if your opponent's move is a forced move in correspondence games (like in 29:52), instead of waiting for a month, do you used to send 2 moves at a time back then?
In "snail mail" games, correspondence players often use "if" moves to speed up the game and save postage. For example, if a game starts 1. e4, the player playing Black could respond "1...c5 (if 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6)." The White player would have the option to accept any or all of the "if" moves.
Another option is sending an "if any" move, indicating you will play a certain move regarding of what your opponent plays. You had to be careful with "if any" moves, however. For example, if in response to 1. d4 you sent "1...g6 (if 2. any Bg7)" your opponent could reply "2. Bh6 Bg7 3. Bxg7," basically the correspondence chess equivalent of a premove blunder.
@@zanti4132 That was very informative and interesting to read, thank you!
I guess while saving time, you can accidentally put yourself in an unfavorable position (if the move sequence is not forced). Giving away the line that you want to play, might result in your opponent to pick and choose whatever position they want to divert into.
@@ronusot Yeh, that was a definite risk in trying to speed up the game. With most games taking at least six months, if nothing else postal chess taught you patience.
@@zanti4132
Thank you for this precise explanation! As someone who's never played traditional correspondence chess this help.
15:30 no, its because white stops the pawn after ke7
on #2 at 21:30 what if black, instead of resigning, plays Knight to A5 guarding the bishop? The attack is still the same. If Queen then takes Knight on A5, Black can Bishop takes Bishop on G2 and the threat is still the same, if Queen Takes queen on D8 then rook on D7 takes Queen on D8, and it remains a 2 rooks vs 2 rooks threat on the back row. Black is thus down a piece, but does not get mated immediately? im here to learn, so by all means correct me here.
When I looked at the initial position I thought after Na5 that Re8+ looked good for white. Turns out the engine gave a different finishing move, Qxc8. A mate-in-3 follows shortly thereafter.
In the third game (Meier v muller), I think the engine says that bishop d4 is the right move, unless I set up the position wrong? Qc3 is white’s next move after rook takes bishop
I'm not sure the meier v muller game actually happened. The only reference to it is in a "best moves" book that came out in 2000 and it said it took place in "switzerland" in "1994" without any furhter detail. I think it's a chess study rather than an actual position. It doesn't appear in Chessbase either, or any other database I can find.
In Browne vs Bisguier Re5 is crushing, but Qb4 is only slightly less flashy and ends with a nearly identical eval.
Ben is f**king hilarious!
perhaps you should include the match between Akiba Rubinstein against Georg Rotlewi (1907 in Lodsz)....
No doubts number one and two for me are the Grandmaster Finegold sacrifices-the truth hurts!-whatever toi might think...confusing the audience !!
I much preferred this video to most of Ben's older ones. His humor was less annoying in this one. He is getting better at this.
It must have been thoroughly obnoxious before then. I really don't find him funny at all.
In minute 21.20 it call interception by my teacher, it disturb the conected pieces ,
Many good videos you have. Marshallś brilliance is no 1 Bronstein thought my game "Fischer Bronstein" no 1. Played corr chess likely 5 games in Kasparov Karpov were played like my corr games. Chess is too much work i took PhD. .
I can find amazingly little information about the Meier-Müller game. Where was it played? When? Is it in any chess games database? it’s listed in the video as having been played in Wijk 1993, but that doesn’t seem to be the case
On second position, Flohr-Geller, how about the move Kf7 instead of Kg7
49:28 "Who's your daddy" 🤣
Isn’t the first one a Tylkowski game? (Or something like that name)
Tylkowski vs Wojciechowski, Poland 1931
At 34:50: 'if I play Qe1+ now, Qf1 would save the day.' I don't think so Ben, the rook on h4 is hanging.
Sure wish you'd make a chess club down here in or near McDonough!!!
I have also seen Bh3 before but in turned around position
49:25 OMG Ben 😂
Clicking like because Ben snuck his own moves in, but mostly Ben.
Ben looking like hes about to hit a hard sesh on a halo stream
What happens after QC7 BG7?
Pretty soon we're gonna see "Great pieces of the past" or something
Qc7 was insane
I wish your student will be a gm some day,or new magnus ,or same like him, I got all your poin sir ,
these pawns are made for queening, and that's just what they'll do
50:26 it was a great move but I'm not sure why you'd put in top 10 😅
My guess on the first one is pawn e5. Im looking at it and I have a feeling its gonna be tough to stop. Its also an extremely strange looking move given the situation in the position. So that's my guess. (btw this was my guess before he started talking about the passed pawns.. lol)
Ben is his own biggest fan 😂
I got your Lucille Ball reference!
Hearing the raves about Spassky's play in the Larsen-Spassky game from numerous sources got me curious, so I gave the position with the rook sacrifice to Stockfish. The engine isn't that impressed. It rates Rh1 about +7 but considers it only the third best move, giving higher scores to Bxe3 and Qh4. Inasmuch as Qh4 is the type of move club players like myself would play, I can't see Rh1 as deserving of the adulation it gets.
Your evaluation is silly. It is the equivalent of saying "Some humans designed a UFO and all the other humans are raving about it, so I sent it to the alien who is the best UFO designer in the galaxy, and it wasn't that impressed"
@@SuperAWaC No, I'm just saying it's not a position where brilliance is required. As GMs like to say, a win is a win.
Rxb2!! I know that game
49:26 is hilarious
I am here to argue in the comments section!!! RAWRRRRRRRRRRR
ben is so funny it hurts
Qc7 was easy. You know that you only need a check for the mate. Simple deflection. First thing to look for.
Tal had divorced and had a new lady. Everyone was surprised his ex lived also with the new couple. Spassky explained:"Tal always liked complicated positions!"
The audio is out of sync and I’m not even mad. These are amazing ❤️
I wish to see his ten best moves
Ben’s last 3 videos have been re-uploads for some reason…
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Very suspicious, but, yes, read the description
He’s at the world open and can’t make content right now
All ten moves by black in the game Finegold vs Stockfish (0-1)
I've personally made the 10 most unexpected moves...
oh, you wanted good too.
Noice I got qc7 correct and rxa3
I got Re8+, knew about Bh3, reasoned through Rxb2/c4/a5.
Oops, just got Rxa3.
that was a botez, not meier.
And then white said en garde 😐
2000 mules
None of mine there 😢 🤔 😆
Stop reuploading the same videos!
One might say that Flohr was washed.
Nkl Ben.
So higher rated players aren't meeting expectations when facing lower rated players but its not inflation. Riiiiight. Boy i love Fide more and more everyday just like Fischer. If i ever became a trillionaire i would use my money to usurp fide and create an atp style chess league with points that fall off annually. there would be no protection. I would probably do away with classical chess. no one cares about that. Blitz for the ratings.
Terrible opinion. Imagine wanting to ruin a beautiful game with potential for brilliant displays of what the human intellect is capable of by replacing it with silly speed matches. It's like replacing movies at the theater with tiktok compilations.
The truth hurts
Ben's content is entertaining and insightful but I wish he did not speak like he's shouting all the time. On the one hand it's very exhausting to listen to for any length of time. On the other hand I want to hear more of what he's got to say. What's that rattle?