Hello, quick note about this video. 1. It was made in good fun and if you think this is what anger looks like you have never seen a real angry person. 2. I also support socialism so you might as well hate on me for that. 3. For those who watched the first 3min and already got angry you are better off just walking away it just gets more triggering 4. I don’t hate you for disagreeing with me. I only dislike you if you hate on my for having an opinion other than yours. 5. I am not reading any comments anymore on this video. They have gotten so bad and so sexist that for my own mental health I am sticking to avoiding it but feel free to fight amongst each other or you know just validate your own hate. And for those who can agree to disagree you are the real MVPs and act like normal humans. More hot takes in your near future XOXO
Hey can't really hate you for having L takes. Every single human in the world has some L takes. If I were to stop watching someone's content because of L takes then I would not be on the internet. Still gotta respect you standing your ground like that. Pretty admirable. And I know it won't do much to say "don't worry about the haters" cause I know the human brain don't work that way. Just cheer up and keep making awesome content and things will be fine😊.
When you were criticising him about a bad analogy, you made a bad one yourself. Why are you comparing Destiny 2 a co-op, open world looter shooter to a hero shooter? OW1 got away with a paid start because it was basically the first of it's kind. After other competitors start to move in, they had to innovate and make it accessible to be competitive. So they went f2p. They shouldn't ask for a price when the genre whas shifted. If they released when the hero shooter was new, they could have. But the hero shooter environment has shifted now. And they failed to see that.
Big thing was that there were a lot of people in the development wanted to raise issues, but corporate was inforcing a toxic positivity environment and wouldn't hear of it. It was apparently one of the co-president dream project with multimedia in mind as the FUTURE OF PLAYSTATION.
@@camellia_vtthis guy is also pushing Horizon like insane. He also rumored to be the reason that more popular and successful Sony franchises didn't got any new games
I think you missed what he said. He said that with new IPs, a studio should start with a smaller team so that the vision of the new IP wouldn't keep expanding and be feature crept. Having a smaller team means lesser resources, which means devs have to resort to their creativity to sell the game. Undertale was a small game with a small budget. But the small team and budget forced them to be creative to sell the game. It was one of the biggest games ever. Even the devs aren't even that savvy in coding. The game's code is written in a very bloated way.
I can firmly say you are in minority here when in comes to the character design. When this game first released in the Playstation Showcase, the immediate reaction by viewers was very negative or dismissive. When I first saw it, I thought it was going to be a discount Guardians of the Galaxy with a Borderlands style gameplay. Then I heard 5v5 class shooter and lost interest. On RUclips, there are multiple design artists who have hour-long videos going over each and every character on why they don't work or don't appeal to general audiences. Some of whom are fellow Vtubers. Citing Art Color Theory and how shapes can be used to communicate specific roles in a team roster. I recommend checking them out, because unlike the ActMan, they do creative design for a living and can give more concrete explanations beyond just "it's cringe." Admittedly, the Trash Can robot is the one that is getting the least amount of criticism. Personally, I think he looks funny, like a rice cooker mixed with Jake the Dog from Adventure Time.
I'm not saying they could not have made character that appealed to the masses. All I'm saying is that the issue was that its a 5v5, we don't need more 5v5s
@@camellia_vt I agree that we don’t need more of those. But one that cost $400 million to make could easily have taken the place of one of the existing ones if it had mass appeal.
@@camellia_vt I don't disagree with that sentiment. But my comment was to point out that even BEFORE people found out the game was a 5v5 Overwatch clone, people were turned off by the game based on appearances alone. The news that it was a 5v5 hero shooter was basically one wet blanket over the mud pile that was the announcement. While Act Man's takes were over-the-top, it does match the general mood the gaming community had. I haven't even seen the game developers try to defend their own designs. Like you, I don't like hero shooters, but it is still a very popular genre of games. However, in a time when Overwatch 2 (the reigning king of Hero Shooters) is declining, with millions of players still logging in to Valorant and Apex Legends every week, with hype surrounding Marvel Rivals, and the success of DeadLock (a game that is still in Alpha and doesn't even have a teaser yet); Concord, a game that's been developed with the full support of Sony for 6-8 years flopped and died. Not at launch, but at ANNOUNCEMENT. You can't just sweep that under the rug just by saying the problem was that the game is a 5v5. I'm not saying the game being a generic 5v5 wasn't an issue, it definitely was; but there were a host of other issues and circumstances that contributed to the failure. Appearances, first impressions, being one of them.
It was just completely fundamentally a bad idea the devs cannot read the room what Gamers run these days new evidence is coming out it's costing $400 million dollars PlayStation put so much money into this they were going to make a new Star Wars or Star Trek hey what's going to be the flagship for PlayStation and failed miserably and possibly would cause Sony in a long run firework Studios is probably going to be shut down a lot of game developers are switching from the old Dei agenda @@camellia_vt
15:36 Well thats not necessarily true. Games are expensive but that doesn't mean they have to be 100's of millions for AAA games. They don't have to make all or nothing games. They can also create smaller games with smaller teams. Not putting all their eggs in one basket. I don't think "it costs what it costs" is a good excuse.
Also, it’s actually rare for a studio’s first game to make any money. It often takes 2-3 games before they even see any returns. That’s why it’s generally not a good idea to throw hundreds of millions at a studio’s first project.
@@crispycreammcfly4782 then go dm Sony and tell them how bad and stupid they are. They spend money on what they thought was gonna be a good game. It failed and we learn from that. Idk why so many people are triggered by this. It’s just one failure. Thinks fail and people move on
@camellia_vt I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that using imo "it costs what it costs." Or "Video games are expensive" as an excuse isn't a good excuse. And someone can still address it as an issue.
On the topic of Overwatch becoming shit "as soon as it became free". The game was supported for several years during which the quality of updates was becoming worse. It didn't plummit from the pinnacle the day it got free, it was becoming less and less good alongside Blizzard. But certainly the time period of transmission to OW2 did see the game becoming worse in a quick succession.
Somewhat infuriating to watch because you don't seem to understand why this games failure is a issue and how dismissive you are of his points. Games do not need to cost 100 million dollars, there are SO many examples of games that do not cost that much succeeding and yes that does include live service games. The game was just flat out bad in gameplay and unappealing in design. Also Valves new game isn't even released, its in alpha and did better numbers then concord. ALPHA with more numbers when valves game was under NDA.
Why does this games failure matter? No one has told me why. Also I was just saying there are part that are pretty about it. That's it! We don't need another Overwatch
@@camellia_vtthe failure matters because that massive and complete of a failure can damage all companies involved, including Sony. It may also finally make it clear to companies that DEI and companies like Sweet Baby are bad for business
Correction 400 million dollars and that is before the studio was purchased (100-150 was the estimate when he made the video). The reason this game failure matters is simple. They refused to listen to the actual customer base instead decided to slander them. This is a big flare to the gaming industry and media organizations. Stop making products for dumb people on twitter start marking games for your customer base. Camellia mentions that this game paid peoples wages. Well the studio will most likely be shut down for this and when they go for a new job it will be awkward to explain the 8 year gap that it took to develop this. No one wants this game on their resume.
@@camellia_vt It's a sensitive subject for many people due to the controversy in the US around DEI, and this game failing supports their narrative that DEI is always bad. I don't personally think that's the main reason for this game failing in such a monumental way, but many people see this failure as a win for their political narrative, hence why so many are so passionate about it. That's the main reason why it "matters" to people and is causing such a stir.
Look. No offense, but Three things(Three VERY long things) A. “$400 Million Dollars(that apparently Excludes the cost of recruiting the team as an aside)? That just means that the ones making this game got a living wage working on it” That point just seems Irrelevant to me. Because even if the ones making the product are treated amazingly(which I do support to clarify. We don’t need any more EA, Konami, Blizzard, or Ubisoft. Joshscorcher’s fails list could prove for good reaction content to help explain why), all that revenue is gonna sink and sink if the product they’re making doesn’t turn a profit. To use Food Preparation as an example analogy. You could treat the cooks Amazingly, but no one’s gonna want to Eat the food if it winds up tasting horribly. Which means that all that time, effort, and money used to prepare it? You can’t get that back, meaning the cooks’ pay won’t last long B. I find it kinda contradictory to blame Act Man for making a big stink about a subjective being negative, when a good chunk of your video is making a big stink about a subjective being Positive. For example, the Trash Can robot. You’re allowed to like it, no one is stopping you. But with the way you shout your points, it sounds like he’s personally attacking the waste bin bot. It’s part of the reason Other comments got the impression that you were rude in this video. And while not intentional, you do clarify that your take shouldn’t be taken as gospel. But that only happens in One small section near the Very end of the video. Combining that with assumptions like “He would be all over these characters if they were hot”, it accidentally gives viewers the impression that you’re belittling his takes rather than trying to have a debate around them. I personally would frame these kinds of opinions like such, “I’m gonna have to disagree with you on the take of making the characters more conventionally attractive being an easy way to make the audiences love them. The shades of green on Emari’s armor have all kinds of saturation issues, mixing dull, Puke green with random splotches of vibrant pink and red. The aforementioned Trash bot is just an under designed yellow dome with arms, legs, and a visor. And Roka is the worst of both. Color palette issues And a lack of detail. With all due respect, these are the reasons I can’t agree with you”. Granted you don’t have to word it Exactly like that, but calmly explain why you like or dislike something, and cut back on assumptions and wording like “What?! You mean this ISN’T for Cis White Men”, and inadvertently fanning the flames of stuff like those stupid “Woke vs Anti Woke” arguments going around online at the mere Mention of the letters “DEI” C. “Who are you to stop them from making a bad game” …Okay, nothing against you, and I’m sure you thought it was a benign and innocent take to make, but that is one of the Worst takes I’ve ever heard in relation to good or bad media. Even if you’re not entitled to tell Sony what to make and what Not to make, it’s at least fair to expect and hope for a level of quality, and at least a Serviceable product. To use a different kind of game as our last example metaphor, it’s like walking up to someone voicing complaints about something like Sonic 06, and telling that someone “Who are you to say that the game was a failure”, when that game is Infamous for being a buggy mess with one of the most convoluted plots in the history of gaming. And this is before taking into account that Concord is a full priced game…WITH all the predatory Free to Play schemes like Microtransactions. I’m sure you had only the best intentions saying that, and I do not want to imply that I’m bashing your takes or you as a person. But the wording for that could’ve been a Lot different, sounding like “Why are you acting entitled enough to Criticize this game, and call it a failure” when in Most books, it counts as a failure, being the most generic shooter game ever, with most of the character designs being “Green guy” or “Purple Guy”, and the trappings of what’s wrong with games like Star Wars Battlefront 2 In summary- Good intentions, but wonky delivery and wonkier wording damage your points more than support them
My problem with Concord is that they aren't showing something new. You could call the game "Protectors of the Stars" on how much it looks like Guardians of the Galaxy.
@@camellia_vtdid you? From every single video I've seen Concord it saturated as hell. Like they wanted vibrant and colorful but someone have putted that saturation and some dirty-green filter
@@camellia_vt Ok this is getting silly did you play it? I am looking through your videos I don't see any gameplay. I did play it the characters blended into the background way too much. It was slow and the amount of shots to take down someone else was way to much.
@@camellia_vt Sure, the wages kept people fed then and there. However, being involved with such a huge financial flop is a huge blemish on your resumé and might make you unemployable in the future. As evidenced by a lot of the people involved deleting all mention of the game from their online profiles. Now, all they’ve got is a 8-year hole in their resumé which won’t help them get jobs either.
The lack of wider appeal was definitely one big reason the game flopped. It wasn’t anything as simple as the color palette not appealing to “straight white men” since they love their bright ass Lollipop Chainsaw, JRPGs and Nintendo games.
Look, price tags set expectations. If I am going to be spending 40$ on a game, of which will translate into thousands of PHP for me in the philipines, it better be worth the price. Because if it isn't then I would have just wasted my time in buying and playing, when there are free-to-play games that are better than Condord in it's own field and have proven their worth and value overtime even if slightly faded now. Now Let's look at it from a broader perspective, the game itself had costed hundreds of millions of dollars, if they do not at least break even then it IS a waste of time. A waste of time, money, and effort for the players, developers, directors, and investors, along with the company. Because here's the thing, for gaming companies like this, sure it's nice to have that minority who enjoy it. But that's not what they're looking for with that 400 million dollar budget. The people who made and played the game have better things to do with their money, you can't pay off bills with goodwill and compliments. What made games like overwatch who first had a paying price before going f2p good, was not because of the price, it was because it was a good game that hit all the right marks. Sorry for yapping even if I got some things wrong, it's nice to see a differing opinion every once in a while to healthily argue with. Peace! Love the content Cami, keep it up!
Toxic positivity was a problem the employees could not criticize anything about the game and anything about the art and character design. Not only did the devs rack up $200mil working on it Sony even gave them $200mil to finish it along with buying the team it was well over 400mil. And a major problem forced agenda from the lead. And I'm going to step away from these videos once I hear red flag words like "cis" its time to hit that dusty trail.
This video was made when we still thought Concord cost $200 million. We now know it was $400 million just to make, than you have to imagine all the ad budget.
I see that whole thing on free to play as very narrow minded on your own end. Free to play depends entirely on how the game is made, many are bad but there are plenty of good ones. Look at HoloCure, it's completely free but still excellent. Sure, the transition from Overwatch 1 to 2 is bad, but what else do you expect with such a transition? That was done just so they had an excuse for more microtransactions. It seems that Once Human is another good free game if the reviews are anything to go by. So long as they aren't all pay to win or anything else just as bad, things are fine. Hell, HoloCure doesn't have any spending, it's a pure passion project from a holofan who does commissions for Hololive. Note: I decided to divide things into two comments to make them easier to read.
@@camellia_vt sadly it's easier to see the black and white when it gets shoved in the face or down the throat. Everything is offensive, criticism is either gay, racist, misogynist, misandry, transphobic, or some other ism or phobic. It's honestly easier to assume every human I meet is some flavor of evil and much easier to never talk or voice any opinions because someone is going to go to rip out your throat in outrage. It seems like the only way to cope is to ignore everyone
You're not jaded at all. To someone who doesn't venture into the public sphere often, the reaction to Concord might seem extreme. But those who look at the release from the perspective of one who watched the industry this game's failure to grab attention makes perfect sense. This keeps happening and learning pattern recognition is not being jaded. And even if you are "jaded", it's not as though the gaming industry doesn't deserve your ire.
What was up with the racism and sexism in this video? Since when did finding a name goofy or wanting some sex appeal for some of the character designs make you racist? When did, as she called him, white cis men have the monopoly on desiring sex appeal in video game characters? He as a white man had a negative opinion on a black character's design therefore he is racist??? I'm black (just saying cause that seems like someting that matters to this reactor) and I agree with his assessment of the teal cowboy character. His design is goofy and not the entertaining type of goofy like, for example, Junkrat in Overwatch.
Wanting things sexy is fine. I have no issues with attractive characters. But belittling and bashing non attractive characters is not the answer. Imagine you look like those characters and see people making fun of the way someone looks. Just because someone does not have a mass appeal does not mean we should make people feel bad for looking like that. There are so many people that “fixed” the character by making them skinny and pretty. Idk how people don’t understand that issue. But I’m sorry if my words came out wrong or got misunderstood. I was also making a silly joke. I respect everyone and their opinions
@@camellia_vt"Characters don't have to be attractive" True, but they have to be visual appealing. You can't expect someone to play as a character they just don't like the design of. Compare the robot to Bastion in Overwatch. Neither is "attractive" but one just looks better
It's hard to watch when she make excuses every time he mentions a problem they had rather than question who was actually accountable and what was actually happening.
Tell me you're a Concord dev without telling me you're a Concord dev. Seriously why does she defend every part of this 1/10 commercial and critical failure?
@@camellia_vtthis isn't about you liking or disliking, agreeing or disagreeing. The main issue people have with your response is how Dismissive you were. If you aren't going to give the video a fair chance, don't react to it in the first place. 10 minutes into your video and I was fed up with listening to you because you weren't even listening to the points actually being made, you just heard part of what he said and cut him off to dismiss his points before he even clarified what they were. Even if you don't agree with the point being made, you should still actually listen to it, because it may have information or insight you didn't have. And if they are wrong you now have at least listened in good faith and can reasonably dispute their Actual points. Instead, by constantly interrupting the video, taking all points in bad faith, and repeating some that behavior in the comments, you have been very disrespectful to your viewers, and that's why I said you were disappointing.
You are probably the first person I have seen being optimistic about Concord, and while it is not wrong to do so, it felt forced if not fanatical. At first, I thought it was just sarcasm, that you were just joking. But as the video went on, your behavior started becoming aggressive to the point that you were almost, if not actually yelling. It is as if Act Man personally attacked you, which I am sure that you know he did not. Now, if your excuse for this behavior is to defend your point, I understand that, and it is okay to stand for your opinion. However, the way you tried defending your point is concerning. This behavior that you displayed in this video is what is causing comments to point out what you have missed because you might have talked over Act Man or you paused the video, with him stuck at mid-sentence, before he even finished his sentence to get his point across. This is then followed up by you hammering your point to your audience in a loud fashion. This results in both the deafening of the viewers and you to what Act Man is saying and we learned little to nothing of what he truly meant to say. Some of the comments I have seen have also pointed that issue out. It is also important to note that you often change the topic of discussion and turn it into a blame game of races and sexes, delivered in such an aggressive manner, later in the video, which was not talked about whatsoever. He did not even bring up the characters pronouns. So, why argue about something that was not even being talked about in the first place? This leaves a mark on you that may result in newcomers avoiding you because of such behavior. Now, I hope that this violent reaction of yours is unintentional, and that is fine by me, we all make mistakes. However, as a reaction channel, this leaves a bitter impression on people, making them believe that you do not have any clue on the topic at hand or that you are never interested in it to begin with yet you throw in your opinions that does not even relate to the subject matter. And since this is your latest video as of now, with you reacting to the Act Man, who is a very famous RUclipsr, people will flock to this video, especially the newcomers, and when they see this reaction of yours, that bitter impression will hit home to most viewers and leave your channel alone. I do not want this for you at all. I have seen some of your videos, with the SCP reactions being my most watched ones, and I do find you enjoyable to watch. But this can not happen again. So I would like to share with you some tips that may help you become a better reactor. I am not a RUclipsr or a reactor at all but I have seen other reactors do these things and it made them more interesting to watch and it leaves the audience hooked into them. Here are the tips: 1.) Let the person in the video you are watching finish their sentence or finish their topic. That way, you have a full grasp on what the topic is. 2.) If you need to pause the video, make sure that you jump back five or ten seconds before you play the video. It may annoy some viewers but this is a surefire way to catch what you may have missed while you were leaving. 3.) Never talk while the video is playing. Your voice and the video will mash together, causing a confusing pile of noise and a chance that you may miss important details. 4.) If you are going to voice out your thoughts, think, double think, triple, think, and quadruple think on if your opinion is related to the discussion and how are you going to respectfully address your opinion. This will make you not look like an ignorant fool who speaks rudely in a savage manner, but as a respectful, honorable and intelligent person who voices things out in a proper, calm, and orderly decorum. Now, I am not saying that these tips are the "Be-all and end-all" rules for a reactor. I am only sharing what I observed to work on other reactors in keeping the viewers hook to their channels. You do not have to follow all these tips I just shared. You may even forget all these things out of spite. I do not control you or your channel. If you are offended by what I typed or think that I am overanalyzing this whole situation, I am only doing this because I am concerned for you. Maybe I am being too over my head and that I have no right to do any of this. But I want you to succeed. That's all I ever wanted.
I was at no point angry or violent in this video. I am a natural loud person. If you want to see me angry you should check out my hollow knight play-through. I just disagreed with some of his points. I respect the act man’s opinion apparently none can respect me. Also why is the act man allowed to be emotional in his video and I have to be quote on quote thinking three times before I say anything. I have ADHD and I stream I say everything out loud. This is just a fun silly video. Sorry everyone is so triggered by someone who opposes your own opinion. And please don’t say I’m rude when I’m not if you want me to be rude I’ll be rude. Thank you, enjoy your Thursday Also I am proud with who I can I don’t want to be a pick me just to get views and likes I want to find people who understand and respect people even when their opinions differ.
All I said was I don’t hate the look. How was that too much? I never said the game was not a failure. Idk why so many people are upset that I have an opinion different than they do. At no point in the video was I mad or upset. I found the whole thing funny and entertaining. If you want to see anger you should watch me play hallow knight.
This is probably not the best video to watch about the catastrophe that is concord, there have been a bunch of different analysis ranging from the development time, artists picking apart the character designs, rumors of toxic positivity and suppression of internal criticism, the utter lack of marketing and focus grouping. Also you're being super dismissive and frankly kind of bigoted here, about halfway in you clearly decide to start judging his opinions on his race and gender as a reason he has them rather than him making a critical analysis of why the general populace didn't pick up the game. The truth is that your opinions here are part of a vanishingly small minority that almost no one agrees with and the fact that you decide to make it about race and gender not him isn't going to win you any points.
Everyone is allowed to have their own opinions. I just think its strange that he ended the video like he did. While I agree there are so many mistakes with the game I disagree with "that it looks bad" is the reason it failed. I like how he is allowed to have opinions but I'm not. I never made anyone feel bad for not liking the look of it.
You can compare new to old by the circumstances of their eras and expectation. For example, ET sold a number impressive on the surface, but 3.5 million of 4 million copies were sent back, either as unsold inventory or customer returns. You also had the licensing fee that had to be paid to even be able to make the game. So yeah, most of those 2.6 million sold were returned and most that were sold were bought by grandmothers. Concord meanwhile doesn't stand out and is one that missed it's chance. If it came out at around the time of Overwatch 1, it might have stood a chance. Still, I wouldn't play it regardless, such games don't interest me at all. I do like watching people go on subjective rants about such games though.
@@camellia_vt It is a great game indeed and, if I understand correctly, the best adaptation of the original Pinocchio. Personally, my tastes are widespread, from things like Story of Seasons to Armored Core 6. I tried Verdict Day but it was too hard for me, likely partly because I had to use a controller in a shooter.
Camellia, okay I normally generally agree with you on things, but it seems like you went into this reaction intending to go on the defensive before considering Act Man's opinions. It's not "objectively ugly", but if the VAST majority of the possible audience DISLIKES the style of the game in terms of art direction and color choice; then the game will not sell well. We are talking about a commercial failure, not a subjective creativity failure. If you spend $400 million and 8 years of development on ONE game with at the best estimates being 25k sales, and then REFUND ALL PURCHASES, you have lost 400 million dollars. I see no other way to frame a $400 million loss than a commercial failure. Going even further through the reaction, you end up throwing a lot of "he's being subjective" while making your own subjective opinions, you try to pick at every word in between 10 seconds and invalidate his own points by framing his words as some sort of self-contained three word segment, and deliberately attack him with an overly patronizing tone in each response. Camellia, you obviously ignored the joke in "I don't think breasts could have saved this game", it really seems like this reaction is a hit piece rather than a genuine critique. You go bringing in the attitude of "Screw off, cis white male" and wield it as some sort of weapon to invalidate any criticism he provided. Also note that cis white males happen to be a large portion of game consumers. We started and ended Act Man's video with criticism of the financial loss of the game. He's not "hard-done" by this, if anything, you seem "hard-done" by his opinions and regarding them as him stating objective fact rather than treating them as him presenting an opinion. "We're just having a discussion", no you are not. You're engaging in bad faith with intent on not considering any of his words as meaningful criticism, and treated this entire reaction like a character assassination. There's no way that you haven't realized that he uses hyperbole and jokes in his content, and to try to say that he is "telling on himself" is disingenuous at best. Before you even consider calling me part of the problem and a "cis white loser", know that I am of the first generation of my family to be born in the US, my parents having immigrated from South America to try to get into American universities in order to provide for the rest of their families back in Argentina. I am not the "typical" consumer of games, I am neurodivergent, definitely not heterosexual, and a Latino son born to an immigrant family. Please, please make some sort of community statement to address this. I feel as if you went in here with nothing but hate and vitriol, but the entire point of our movements and policies are to bring tolerance and protection to all. Equity is the most important term in my university's motto, and it's for a damn good reason. "Intolerant of intolerance" is an incredibly shortsighted and combative message, and this kind of rhetoric is often pointed to by opposing politicians as reasons to fear us. They see us speak of them with fury and disgust, and see only hatred in our messaging - and this causes them to perceive us as hypocritical and not holding true to our own belief of Equity. Equity is by nature not about tearing others down, but uplifting them to level the playing field. Attacking a broad demographic of people for an immutable characteristic is what got the world into a dark time of hate for those that looked, talked and acted different. An eye for an eye doesn't make the world blind, but it does leave everyone in it worse off.
Hi Leo, First off I had never heard of Concord before this video so I have no opinions of it before seeing this. While at the start I respected his opinion on the over saturation on 5v5 shooters and the overall uninteresting appeal of the game. As I progress in the video I noticed that he was only talking about its looks, while then game might not look good to him he acted like its was the majority or that his opinions are facts. I was just stating that I indeed found aspects of this game pretty. At the end of it I still respect that he is allowed to have his own opinion so am I and everyone here. And claiming that majority of gamers are male is just plain wrong. If you found my tone wrong or off putting, that is you projecting. I was having a discussion. There were a few people in my chat at the time that disagreed with me and I told them that is valid. I've been nothing but validating. Don't assume things about me. I never attacked anyone I always make people feel validated and respected. If this changes your opinion of me. That's just the way. Please be more understanding of Humans. Sincerely, Camellia Linwald
@@camellia_vt As the vid went on, you sounded more and more frantic and defensive. Towards the end it put off the feeling of you being personally offended for some reason and trying to be contrarian about everything. You can disagree with me on this, but that's how it came off and that's 'just my opinion' about it.
This is the first and only take I've heard to say this looks aesthetically pleasing, let alone passable. If you told me it was a PS3 game, I'd say "Wow, they really dropped the ball in the graphics department." But hey, to each their own, I guess.
True, graphics and aesthetics are different, but they are inherently linked, and to lump them into the same department is obviously just short hand. If you like the game, you do you. At the end of the day, this isn't just *some* flop; it's one of the single biggest flops of all time, and not just in video gaming.
@@camellia_vt Of course not, better believe there were some side dealings going on with a project of that magnitude. And even if it all did go to workers; now the studio is at risk of closing down, thus not being able to pay the workers any more. Plus future employers might not want to hire people involved in such a huge flop, which again results in the workers not getting paid. So either way it was wasted money.
@@camellia_vt Outsourced workers to finish the game. They started eight years ago. That's enough time for a working game. There is one other factor. Toxic positivity. No one was allowed to criticize it, not even constructively. No one was allowed to say "the design could be better". It was codenamed "Chaos". The game can be salvaged. A few tweaks in design and it could have worked. But since there's Overwatch, Apex Ledgends, Marvel Rivals, etc. All free to play. The price tag was one more nail in the coffin. I couldn't bother. Too busy with The First Descendant.
35:16 Not at all, Overwatch 2 is bad because of the Blizzard making stupid decisions with the game, your examples of free games vs paid games are not good.
Concord set some nice records. Development cost: 400.000.000USD Gross revenue after launch: 1.000.000USD probably less. from searching on the net its estimated at 350.000USD to 500.000USD. Net revenue: -399.000.000USD Ngl I don't think that ones gonna be topped anytime soon.
With everything u cant compare concord 2 i am curious to what u can compare it 2. Maybe Visions Of Mana? The Devs were off the day after release... not quite sure how the games going though but that was interesting.
in total there was over 600million spent on this game in buying the company for 200mill and the rest on rushing concord, and delivered a minimal viable game, battleborn had more players than concord some of the concord staff was bragging about "being too good to fail" right before it failed. even if concord was free it would of been overpriced still, upside to concord i dusted off my "Loadout" installation. alot of the design would of been outdated in the 90s they looted from the reject bucket, alot of the designs used the "stuff to avoid" section of visual creation and character design.
I don’t think Overwatch is good either but I don’t like online shooters. But that was not the point I was making. He said 5v5 shooters were all free to play which is just wrong.
Honestly, It don't see how it could have worked in any way. -8 years of developpement -a developpement price of 400 millions -game developpers calling their clientel talentless freaks -the developpement team having a toxic positivity about the game -the game being 40$ for a hero shooter when the competition is free -having no good original traits to the point where the IGN review was unable to really compliment them (very funny to watch) -no skins that look very different -the character design being "okay" for background characters, like it's really not eye catching -having a system that makes you unable to specialize on a character (you can't reuse the same character through rounds) -blocking other contries -developpement team so big that the choice in direction were slow and even slower because of the toxic positivity -To finish it, the number of player was so low that you couldn't even do match making Like, even with all the attention, it just looked boring as hell compared to the other choices. Still, thank you for showing a different point of view.
Also, when I say character design, I mean, they just look like regualr people with no story telling about themself, nothing that tells you who they are and what they lived through and there is also the gameplay that has nothing that the other games don't have, meaning that there is no real reason to play it. Most people didn't even knew it was 40$ It just looked like over watch with better graphics and less originality gameplay wise. No real reason to play, like, people don't care as much about graphic quality anymore. I even think that it would have had a microscopic better chance if it looked like lethal company's low quality. Like, at least people would have gotten more curious.
I see a lot of folks hating on ya and I gotta say I disagree with ya too but not to that degree. I'll mostly be rambling about aesthetics because that's where my knowledge of that game's features started and ended. Sungrand Studios did a video on why the design is bad and he does a pretty good job on how the designs don't work. He goes into tonal distribution, a blur test (where if a character isn't interesting to look at blurred then it doesn't work), and how a character's outfit and design tells you a bit about that character. (For example, based on your model's design you're something of a granola girl, incredibly optimistic, and a bit blithe) As for my own thoughts on the character design and shape, my opinion is kinda similar for the mangaka for FMA: "Make men manly and women vavoom." Especially the player characters. We've all spent way too much time in character creators when they show up, and while it's fun to make fugly characters it's rare to actually play a game with them to the end. If you can't make a player character look badass make them look sexy. And a lot of the female designs just don't hit, it's not just body it's also the face, same for the male characters (when they don't look like they got ripped from somewhere else and made less cool). And frankly I think the looks alone were enough for most. If you wake up and find two cars waiting for you and a wizard who tells you that you can have either car for free but he doesn't tell you anything about their performance, which are you going to choose? The one that looks like something you could race in, or something that would make a Pinto look like a Mustang? Tldr, disagree with ya, don't like how the game looks, you're still a cute ball of fun and chaos
I have never seen anyone disagree so strongly with this guy, especially this video 😅 Side note: We know know that all a person has to do to seduce Cami is dress outrageously ❤
I was reading Baldurs gate 3 comments then saw yours and thought it was also one. And I laughed cause I assumed you were talking about the hot guys and I was about to comments or be Leon S Kennedy. I’m not responding to comments on this video anymore but thought you might laugh at this.
Hahahah, Cammie was on fire with this one. Not everyone agree with the ActMan. I absolutely respect your opinion but I don't think personally that this game was esthetically pleasing. Lots and lots of pastel, and it seems like designs of someone who imagined futuristic characters using items from the 80's. But as I said, you have an optimistic view of it, and I respect that. A lot of people on RUclips goes out of their ways lately to yell on games before the game is even out, and I'm on the opinion that we should base a lot of the main criticism of a game from the gameplay and what it brings to the table. Concord however was also unoriginal and fighting its way out of a saturated genre
@@camellia_vt Thanks, I enjoy your RUclips videos btw. And don't fight too much against negative comments on this one, you're entitled to your own opinion, if people do not agree, it's not against you, more to do with the game itself (And ActMan's video).
With regards to the character design, personally I think the colour scheme would have suited characters with a slightly more anime or cartoonish aesthetic, I actually like most of the base colour schemes, but they look a bit odd on realisticish models.
Maybe this is a little late but here are the issues 1. The dev team refused to listen and insulted people who criticised them fairly or simply didn't like it so people stop being nice in reviews 2. They layed off hundreds of employees from other studios while funding this game which doesn't look good 3. playstation was hyping it up so much in there state of play and in there online post so it flopped harder 4. Most people didn't like paying $40 for a game which most people didn't like the look of graphically or gameplay wise 5.when there are other free options which though not perfect are free and in case of marvel have beloved characters and concord didn't have that to lift them I hope that helps you understand everyone else's views, it is trashed more cause the devs through punches at innocent people other wise I feel they could have found there niche
Since it wasn't mentioned in the video, I'll just make a brief mention of it here. Concord actually cost at least 400 mil to make, not 100. In addition to that, Sony also had to buy the rights to the game, for an unknown sum. Yet the game only generated roughly one million through sales (and this is before whatever platforms they used took their share). When it comes to video games, yes. With an economic loss:profit ratio of 400:1, this is objectively and without a doubt one of, if not the single, biggest financial flop in gaming history. You said the money Sony paid the developers was well spent because it went to the salaries of the developers for the time they spent working on the game. Let's bring that into reality. Let's say you hire a construction company to build you a house. You pay them a mil to build the house and when you eventually get the notification that it's completed, you go there and find out they built you a dog house made from cardboard boxes and used trashcans. I obviously don't know you, but I'm pretty confident you wouldn't say that money was well-spend because the construction workers had salaries while they worked on your house.
not the same if you asked them to build the dog house in the first place. Sony wanted this game and thats why they paid for it. Please go get angry at Sony.
I would disagree quite a few people where put off by the art style but shear hate boner you developed in a short time says a lot I am sorry to say but next to nobody any race religion sexuality bothered with this game it's the same mentality as current Hollywood when they blame white men on a show failing and it's like nobody else did I agree with you on the free to play model I have always hated it but the problem for concord was it was an up front cost and then had micro transactions albeit only skins but from what I recall it was used in alt forms for mutiplayer as it was designed to stop you playing a set character for too many matches in a row if I had any criticism of actmans vid it would be he didn't include a lot of the macanics witch also put people off
Though you have some takes that i disagree with i do apricate the neutral look on this game. 400 millions dollars invested into this game. Yes 400 million going to pay the economy for the employees equipment, food, housing, basic needs. But Sony wants 400 million back and when it turns put it will cost more to keep the game up. 40 bucks for a game? Well we have Overwatch for free. I dont like competive games but they have to convince me to pay 40 bucks. Helldivers 2 cost 40 bucks and i still have fun playing it. Concord? I could just play other games thats cost 40 bucks. Free to play dose not mean good quality. Nither dose paying 40 bucks means a good game. The charaters are to just bland........they are no outright bad nor horiendous. They are just simple and too safe for charater steroypes. I like the trash man. He to me is the most appealing one to me. Look up Nurgal and see how horrenous and uyle they are and yet people still find them appealing. Yes i am like Act Man. i like boobs and ass but there are more than one ways to make a charater more appealing than....activating monkey nerons. Someones a charater's beauty is the whole point of a charater. If a charater want to be beautiful they want to be beatiful. If they dont want to....then they dont want to. The game look great in graphics. But the main problem for me was the direction the game was heading. New ip games had to make themselves stand out but Concord try to make themselves a Overwatch copy. I dont like Concord. It never appealed to me because it follows a gameing trend that is dominated by better competator. Art sytle that is simple and safe but nothing to stand out. A online game that reqires my own time to play. I dont like seeing games failing but if a game delveoper comes out and spit and insults my face then demands me to play thier game......of course i be mad and petty. If they want to spend 400 million dollars for a game to appeal their own taste....fine. Don't expect me to pay 40 bucks to save you from making a 400 million lost. You spend 400 mil and get less in return.
There are plenty of reasons why this game failed, yes the market is saturated with live service nonsense. I’m not a fan of live service, but it appeals to many others. Character designs look generic, nothing screams cool, unique, and worth knowing their characters. Plus, DEI in games are toxic to many gamers who feel it’s gonna suck, and having characters with DEI heavily influence in their designs, and in the character profile selection, makes them go away and giving it a chance, if there was any to saw or heard about it. This is a major problem, because with Concord’s failure, gamers fear for Sony’s other live service projects that are just gonna fail easily because Sony is doubling down on it, wasting yet again more money that should’ve been better spent somewhere else. And when reports say the game developers have toxic positivity culture, that’ll spread to other gaming developers, and as other gaming devs company are deciding to distance themselves from former DEI members who ever work with them are gonna be out of a job just by association. This is a big deal, for better or worse, the landscape in gaming is changing and these publishers are doubling down on their ideas that are outdated and harmful to the creative process.
@@mixednarwhal my "you enjoyed this" is not a insult to The Act Man but more on "my" responds to him. I'm not gonna judge the Act Man based of one video.
@@camellia_vt You totally did judge him though, he’s actually generally against fan service. He likes characters to look appealing sure, but he’s not for “exaggerated curves”. Not that I care, I’m not really a fan of the guy.
Cami is such an L with this one, comparing how indie games barely gets any number to Concord which is hundreds of millions of dollars with 8yrs of development worth of junk put respect on indie games and stop patronizing genuine failures from huge corpo
I don’t think you watched my video. I love and support indie games. Just because I said I liked the look of the game and don’t think money from a corpo was wasted on workers does not mean I like the game or that it’s not a failure. Haters gonna hate!
@@camellia_vt Bad take after bad take, don't expect people to watch the entire video just to be able to have an opinion. i listened to your video for about 4- 6 mins and i saved myself time from listening if thats what the content is gonna be about. (over half an hour)(notice how alot of comments are highlighting your bad takes but are 100x more polite) you should stick to animals videos and light hearted videos since thats where you shine the most (I became a fan and a subscriber through that). any content that is slightly polarizing and you spew out bad takes
@@chevriguevara3743 so you are saying me supporting indie games is a bad take? I see your true colors coming through. I watched this video because a viewer wanted me to. Am I not supposed to have opinions? Or should I just be a sheep and agree with the masses? My takes in this video are not even that hot nor even that rude. But I know it’s upsetting to people to have someone disagree with them. I don’t owe anyone politeness. If you disagree with me that’s okay you can just watch only the cute animal videos I make. Why be so damn rude
@@camellia_vt what are you on about, did you read my comment, i stopped watching 4-6 mins in since your takes are awful (im not gonna watch all of it for the sake of my sanity and to find the "I actually support indie games").. and to say people need to watch the entire video to leave a an opinion. if the first few minutes is shit i dont wanna watch the rest of it... You support indie games... okay okay but to compare their numbers with a huge corpo flops is disingeniune like "concord's isn't a flop because indie games have are lucky to have have lower numbers" ones 100mil budget and indies can barely pass 100k budget 😂 just accept you had bad takes and move on
I enjoy your positive outlook, its a nice chamge of pace from a lot of negativity. But I have to say sometimes it felt more like you were being dismissive of any negativity than just looking at the positive. Like you would immediately disagree with his points and pause rather than listen to them. Lile that opinion on it not being a waste was a big stretch imo since your reason why it wasn't a waste had nothing to with the game and what was delivered. Lile i said I did like your positivity and I could see some of your points. I think it's pretty great and your opinion is as valid as the act mans or anyone else's. It just felt like a few times you were dismissive of his takes and over reaching for some of your takes.
Idk why you think I came off as dismissive. I agree with him on a lot of points. For some reason people think I was angry in this video or something. I was having a fun and interesting conversation. But the video also came off to be like he was hiding his own dislike of the game. He was very emotional in this video. I respect act man’s opinion why can’t the comments respect mine
@camellia_vt Well, at a good amount of moments I saw you react to his point, you seemed to immediately go against it from what I saw. Sometimes, not even waiting for him to finish his point. And it's not wrong to disagree with him but you would do it so quick it came off as dismissive to me at least. Like the "waste of money" part and when he was talking about it being over 100 mil being unnecessary or too much of a risk. I'm not saying you're wrong, and that Act man was right or vice versa. I don't agree with all of his takes or disagree with all of yours. They're your opinions.
@camellia_vt I can see that. You're point about comparing the consoles with a game I agreed with, but he also compared it to games too. So you jumped the gun sometimes is all I'm saying. And it came off as dismissive. Also, I didn't think you were angry. I never said that. I don't know why people would think that.
But to be fair, I think a lot of reactors do that. I might be hounding too much on this since it's a more recent one I watched. I am here for reacting after all.
Im at the character design segment so far and your reaction to it is so funny xdd. The amount of copium you're huffing is-, either you're just rage baiting or just trying really hard to be different. Its so obvious you also think the designs look a$$, you're like stuttering and shaking on what bul#$1t to come up with just to have a different opinion on this topic. EVEN PEOPLE WITH YOUR VIEWS think this sh1t look like dogpi$$. I appreciate the hustle tho and it worked, this got recoomended to me xd.
The forest is a niche, hardcore survival horror indi-game that was released on 30th April 2018 and had a budget of $125k, over the last 24 hours it has had double Concords all time players. (4,887 as of time of commenting). The forest is a wonderful game. yes it has a few bugs but the game itself is just so good! And the sequel Sons of the forest is even better as they earned their big budget for it. Edit: Also right there with you on the paid for Vs Free to play with some rare exceptions (I like indi games, I could recomend Sooooo many good ones)
I usually like The Act Man’s videos but I disagreed with most of his points that he made in this video, especially on the character designs but that aside I also disagreed with some of your points but I enjoyed your video, because no matter if I agree with a person or not I like to hear what other people think of things. I intended on posting this comment like 19 hours ago but RUclips denied my attempts, so I had to wait a bit before trying again.
Your's when I listen to act-man vid I some what agreed on his take until I heard your's hears why. the more people you higher the more the game has to be a success as well as making clones of games basically make something actually new. That some people judge character dsgins subjectivity while some are constructive. Until i heard your spin on it I was in somewhat of a agreement with act man until some of your points in the video changed my perspective on it but I will still take the points from both your and other people's takes on this and make my own judgment Basically I like to take opinions I agree/disagree with to form my own think of it as being thorough until I form an opinion of my own and will keep to my self or comment it.
47:05 He actually mentioned the vtuber SmugAlana in one of his videos and showed up in one of her live stream chats to talk for a bit. Don’t remember if he actually has anything against vtubers or not though.
I suspect he doesn't. He isn't subtle about what he thinks about something and he knows VTubers watch his videos and that they're in his sphere (sort of speak), and it doesn't seem to bother him.
40:11 again that is an opinion .... not a fact and i say again cos i see my post was deleted even tho it had no cursing or anything that would need to be censored other than an opinion someone didnt like
Hello, quick note about this video.
1. It was made in good fun and if you think this is what anger looks like you have never seen a real angry person.
2. I also support socialism so you might as well hate on me for that.
3. For those who watched the first 3min and already got angry you are better off just walking away it just gets more triggering
4. I don’t hate you for disagreeing with me. I only dislike you if you hate on my for having an opinion other than yours.
5. I am not reading any comments anymore on this video. They have gotten so bad and so sexist that for my own mental health I am sticking to avoiding it but feel free to fight amongst each other or you know just validate your own hate.
And for those who can agree to disagree you are the real MVPs and act like normal humans.
More hot takes in your near future XOXO
Hey can't really hate you for having L takes. Every single human in the world has some L takes. If I were to stop watching someone's content because of L takes then I would not be on the internet. Still gotta respect you standing your ground like that. Pretty admirable. And I know it won't do much to say "don't worry about the haters" cause I know the human brain don't work that way. Just cheer up and keep making awesome content and things will be fine😊.
nah u good ... but the socialism thing... damn
@@BiggieBungas she just said her opinion/s even if i dont agree with some i take that over catering to her fans every time
@@miceatah9359 glad we agree
When you were criticising him about a bad analogy, you made a bad one yourself. Why are you comparing Destiny 2 a co-op, open world looter shooter to a hero shooter?
OW1 got away with a paid start because it was basically the first of it's kind. After other competitors start to move in, they had to innovate and make it accessible to be competitive. So they went f2p. They shouldn't ask for a price when the genre whas shifted. If they released when the hero shooter was new, they could have. But the hero shooter environment has shifted now. And they failed to see that.
Big thing was that there were a lot of people in the development wanted to raise issues, but corporate was inforcing a toxic positivity environment and wouldn't hear of it. It was apparently one of the co-president dream project with multimedia in mind as the FUTURE OF PLAYSTATION.
They had a function to applaud the devs during the credit roll. That says a bit about how narcissistic they were.
This is really interesting, you can really feel that there was something off about it all. I truly hate corporations
@@camellia_vtthis guy is also pushing Horizon like insane. He also rumored to be the reason that more popular and successful Sony franchises didn't got any new games
I think you missed what he said. He said that with new IPs, a studio should start with a smaller team so that the vision of the new IP wouldn't keep expanding and be feature crept. Having a smaller team means lesser resources, which means devs have to resort to their creativity to sell the game.
Undertale was a small game with a small budget. But the small team and budget forced them to be creative to sell the game. It was one of the biggest games ever. Even the devs aren't even that savvy in coding. The game's code is written in a very bloated way.
I can firmly say you are in minority here when in comes to the character design. When this game first released in the Playstation Showcase, the immediate reaction by viewers was very negative or dismissive. When I first saw it, I thought it was going to be a discount Guardians of the Galaxy with a Borderlands style gameplay. Then I heard 5v5 class shooter and lost interest.
On RUclips, there are multiple design artists who have hour-long videos going over each and every character on why they don't work or don't appeal to general audiences. Some of whom are fellow Vtubers. Citing Art Color Theory and how shapes can be used to communicate specific roles in a team roster. I recommend checking them out, because unlike the ActMan, they do creative design for a living and can give more concrete explanations beyond just "it's cringe."
Admittedly, the Trash Can robot is the one that is getting the least amount of criticism. Personally, I think he looks funny, like a rice cooker mixed with Jake the Dog from Adventure Time.
Yup, and the devs chose to dismiss the criticism, straight up calling it “white noise”.
I'm not saying they could not have made character that appealed to the masses. All I'm saying is that the issue was that its a 5v5, we don't need more 5v5s
@@camellia_vt I agree that we don’t need more of those. But one that cost $400 million to make could easily have taken the place of one of the existing ones if it had mass appeal.
@@camellia_vt I don't disagree with that sentiment. But my comment was to point out that even BEFORE people found out the game was a 5v5 Overwatch clone, people were turned off by the game based on appearances alone. The news that it was a 5v5 hero shooter was basically one wet blanket over the mud pile that was the announcement. While Act Man's takes were over-the-top, it does match the general mood the gaming community had. I haven't even seen the game developers try to defend their own designs.
Like you, I don't like hero shooters, but it is still a very popular genre of games. However, in a time when Overwatch 2 (the reigning king of Hero Shooters) is declining, with millions of players still logging in to Valorant and Apex Legends every week, with hype surrounding Marvel Rivals, and the success of DeadLock (a game that is still in Alpha and doesn't even have a teaser yet); Concord, a game that's been developed with the full support of Sony for 6-8 years flopped and died. Not at launch, but at ANNOUNCEMENT. You can't just sweep that under the rug just by saying the problem was that the game is a 5v5.
I'm not saying the game being a generic 5v5 wasn't an issue, it definitely was; but there were a host of other issues and circumstances that contributed to the failure. Appearances, first impressions, being one of them.
It was just completely fundamentally a bad idea the devs cannot read the room what Gamers run these days new evidence is coming out it's costing $400 million dollars PlayStation put so much money into this they were going to make a new Star Wars or Star Trek hey what's going to be the flagship for PlayStation and failed miserably and possibly would cause Sony in a long run firework Studios is probably going to be shut down a lot of game developers are switching from the old Dei agenda @@camellia_vt
15:36 Well thats not necessarily true. Games are expensive but that doesn't mean they have to be 100's of millions for AAA games.
They don't have to make all or nothing games. They can also create smaller games with smaller teams. Not putting all their eggs in one basket. I don't think "it costs what it costs" is a good excuse.
Also, it’s actually rare for a studio’s first game to make any money. It often takes 2-3 games before they even see any returns. That’s why it’s generally not a good idea to throw hundreds of millions at a studio’s first project.
yes thats true but Sony decided to do this. We can't tell sony how to spend their money. They won't listen
@camellia_vt That's also true, but it's still not a good defense. I just don't think it's an excuse.
@@crispycreammcfly4782 then go dm Sony and tell them how bad and stupid they are. They spend money on what they thought was gonna be a good game. It failed and we learn from that. Idk why so many people are triggered by this. It’s just one failure. Thinks fail and people move on
@camellia_vt I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that using imo "it costs what it costs." Or "Video games are expensive" as an excuse isn't a good excuse. And someone can still address it as an issue.
Meanwhile it came to light the budget was indeed over 400m $ not just 100m 😂
On the topic of Overwatch becoming shit "as soon as it became free". The game was supported for several years during which the quality of updates was becoming worse. It didn't plummit from the pinnacle the day it got free, it was becoming less and less good alongside Blizzard. But certainly the time period of transmission to OW2 did see the game becoming worse in a quick succession.
Would you say that after knowing it was OVER $400MIL?!😅
Edit: Ok ..... Im gonna have to unsubscribe after that "hot take" on that gremlin character.
you don't like the trashcan? that's okay if you unsub for that. I don't want to force anyone to watch me
@@camellia_vt not trashcan but cringy alien girl
Somewhat infuriating to watch because you don't seem to understand why this games failure is a issue and how dismissive you are of his points.
Games do not need to cost 100 million dollars, there are SO many examples of games that do not cost that much succeeding and yes that does include live service games. The game was just flat out bad in gameplay and unappealing in design. Also Valves new game isn't even released, its in alpha and did better numbers then concord. ALPHA with more numbers when valves game was under NDA.
Also the game cost 400 million not 100, Act man had old numbers when he made this vid. Sony was never going to keep such a money sink live.
Why does this games failure matter? No one has told me why. Also I was just saying there are part that are pretty about it. That's it! We don't need another Overwatch
@@camellia_vtthe failure matters because that massive and complete of a failure can damage all companies involved, including Sony. It may also finally make it clear to companies that DEI and companies like Sweet Baby are bad for business
Correction 400 million dollars and that is before the studio was purchased (100-150 was the estimate when he made the video). The reason this game failure matters is simple. They refused to listen to the actual customer base instead decided to slander them. This is a big flare to the gaming industry and media organizations. Stop making products for dumb people on twitter start marking games for your customer base. Camellia mentions that this game paid peoples wages. Well the studio will most likely be shut down for this and when they go for a new job it will be awkward to explain the 8 year gap that it took to develop this. No one wants this game on their resume.
@@camellia_vt It's a sensitive subject for many people due to the controversy in the US around DEI, and this game failing supports their narrative that DEI is always bad. I don't personally think that's the main reason for this game failing in such a monumental way, but many people see this failure as a win for their political narrative, hence why so many are so passionate about it. That's the main reason why it "matters" to people and is causing such a stir.
Look. No offense, but Three things(Three VERY long things)
A. “$400 Million Dollars(that apparently Excludes the cost of recruiting the team as an aside)? That just means that the ones making this game got a living wage working on it” That point just seems Irrelevant to me. Because even if the ones making the product are treated amazingly(which I do support to clarify. We don’t need any more EA, Konami, Blizzard, or Ubisoft. Joshscorcher’s fails list could prove for good reaction content to help explain why), all that revenue is gonna sink and sink if the product they’re making doesn’t turn a profit. To use Food Preparation as an example analogy. You could treat the cooks Amazingly, but no one’s gonna want to Eat the food if it winds up tasting horribly. Which means that all that time, effort, and money used to prepare it? You can’t get that back, meaning the cooks’ pay won’t last long
B. I find it kinda contradictory to blame Act Man for making a big stink about a subjective being negative, when a good chunk of your video is making a big stink about a subjective being Positive. For example, the Trash Can robot. You’re allowed to like it, no one is stopping you. But with the way you shout your points, it sounds like he’s personally attacking the waste bin bot. It’s part of the reason Other comments got the impression that you were rude in this video. And while not intentional, you do clarify that your take shouldn’t be taken as gospel. But that only happens in One small section near the Very end of the video. Combining that with assumptions like “He would be all over these characters if they were hot”, it accidentally gives viewers the impression that you’re belittling his takes rather than trying to have a debate around them. I personally would frame these kinds of opinions like such, “I’m gonna have to disagree with you on the take of making the characters more conventionally attractive being an easy way to make the audiences love them. The shades of green on Emari’s armor have all kinds of saturation issues, mixing dull, Puke green with random splotches of vibrant pink and red. The aforementioned Trash bot is just an under designed yellow dome with arms, legs, and a visor. And Roka is the worst of both. Color palette issues And a lack of detail. With all due respect, these are the reasons I can’t agree with you”. Granted you don’t have to word it Exactly like that, but calmly explain why you like or dislike something, and cut back on assumptions and wording like “What?! You mean this ISN’T for Cis White Men”, and inadvertently fanning the flames of stuff like those stupid “Woke vs Anti Woke” arguments going around online at the mere Mention of the letters “DEI”
C. “Who are you to stop them from making a bad game” …Okay, nothing against you, and I’m sure you thought it was a benign and innocent take to make, but that is one of the Worst takes I’ve ever heard in relation to good or bad media. Even if you’re not entitled to tell Sony what to make and what Not to make, it’s at least fair to expect and hope for a level of quality, and at least a Serviceable product. To use a different kind of game as our last example metaphor, it’s like walking up to someone voicing complaints about something like Sonic 06, and telling that someone “Who are you to say that the game was a failure”, when that game is Infamous for being a buggy mess with one of the most convoluted plots in the history of gaming. And this is before taking into account that Concord is a full priced game…WITH all the predatory Free to Play schemes like Microtransactions. I’m sure you had only the best intentions saying that, and I do not want to imply that I’m bashing your takes or you as a person. But the wording for that could’ve been a Lot different, sounding like “Why are you acting entitled enough to Criticize this game, and call it a failure” when in Most books, it counts as a failure, being the most generic shooter game ever, with most of the character designs being “Green guy” or “Purple Guy”, and the trappings of what’s wrong with games like Star Wars Battlefront 2
In summary- Good intentions, but wonky delivery and wonkier wording damage your points more than support them
Very good take my friend
My problem with Concord is that they aren't showing something new. You could call the game "Protectors of the Stars" on how much it looks like Guardians of the Galaxy.
that's a valid opinion. I really like Guardians of the Galaxy and would love to see more colorful silly alien stuff out there.
This game was not colorful or silly, just bland.
@@TheGallantDrake did you play it?
@@camellia_vtdid you? From every single video I've seen Concord it saturated as hell. Like they wanted vibrant and colorful but someone have putted that saturation and some dirty-green filter
@@camellia_vt Ok this is getting silly did you play it? I am looking through your videos I don't see any gameplay. I did play it the characters blended into the background way too much. It was slow and the amount of shots to take down someone else was way to much.
So fun fact Concord did not cost $100 million the game apparently cost $400 million so basically four times the amount he said
My points still stand
LOL facts
@@camellia_vt Sure, the wages kept people fed then and there. However, being involved with such a huge financial flop is a huge blemish on your resumé and might make you unemployable in the future. As evidenced by a lot of the people involved deleting all mention of the game from their online profiles. Now, all they’ve got is a 8-year hole in their resumé which won’t help them get jobs either.
Absolutely not worth 400 million Sony have completely lost their minds
go complain to SONY
Feels like this game might have been made for only you, also you just look past the amount of people that get laid off from the reactionary industry
The lack of wider appeal was definitely one big reason the game flopped. It wasn’t anything as simple as the color palette not appealing to “straight white men” since they love their bright ass Lollipop Chainsaw, JRPGs and Nintendo games.
Look, price tags set expectations. If I am going to be spending 40$ on a game, of which will translate into thousands of PHP for me in the philipines, it better be worth the price. Because if it isn't then I would have just wasted my time in buying and playing, when there are free-to-play games that are better than Condord in it's own field and have proven their worth and value overtime even if slightly faded now. Now Let's look at it from a broader perspective, the game itself had costed hundreds of millions of dollars, if they do not at least break even then it IS a waste of time. A waste of time, money, and effort for the players, developers, directors, and investors, along with the company. Because here's the thing, for gaming companies like this, sure it's nice to have that minority who enjoy it. But that's not what they're looking for with that 400 million dollar budget. The people who made and played the game have better things to do with their money, you can't pay off bills with goodwill and compliments. What made games like overwatch who first had a paying price before going f2p good, was not because of the price, it was because it was a good game that hit all the right marks. Sorry for yapping even if I got some things wrong, it's nice to see a differing opinion every once in a while to healthily argue with. Peace! Love the content Cami, keep it up!
Toxic positivity was a problem the employees could not criticize anything about the game and anything about the art and character design. Not only did the devs rack up $200mil working on it Sony even gave them $200mil to finish it along with buying the team it was well over 400mil. And a major problem forced agenda from the lead. And I'm going to step away from these videos once I hear red flag words like "cis" its time to hit that dusty trail.
This video was made when we still thought Concord cost $200 million. We now know it was $400 million just to make, than you have to imagine all the ad budget.
I see that whole thing on free to play as very narrow minded on your own end. Free to play depends entirely on how the game is made, many are bad but there are plenty of good ones. Look at HoloCure, it's completely free but still excellent. Sure, the transition from Overwatch 1 to 2 is bad, but what else do you expect with such a transition? That was done just so they had an excuse for more microtransactions. It seems that Once Human is another good free game if the reviews are anything to go by. So long as they aren't all pay to win or anything else just as bad, things are fine. Hell, HoloCure doesn't have any spending, it's a pure passion project from a holofan who does commissions for Hololive.
Note: I decided to divide things into two comments to make them easier to read.
You are far too optimistic or have too much faith in humanity, that or I am too jaded. You're nauseatingly positive of people and their intentions.
Honestly I feel like so many people on the internet has become too jaded. Things are more than black and white. The world is many shades of grey.
@@camellia_vt sadly it's easier to see the black and white when it gets shoved in the face or down the throat. Everything is offensive, criticism is either gay, racist, misogynist, misandry, transphobic, or some other ism or phobic. It's honestly easier to assume every human I meet is some flavor of evil and much easier to never talk or voice any opinions because someone is going to go to rip out your throat in outrage. It seems like the only way to cope is to ignore everyone
You're not jaded at all. To someone who doesn't venture into the public sphere often, the reaction to Concord might seem extreme.
But those who look at the release from the perspective of one who watched the industry this game's failure to grab attention makes perfect sense. This keeps happening and learning pattern recognition is not being jaded. And even if you are "jaded", it's not as though the gaming industry doesn't deserve your ire.
@@bradensmith8682 your a valid to your own opinion and so am I. TBH we need more Souls-like and only souls likes. with maybe some cooking games
What was up with the racism and sexism in this video? Since when did finding a name goofy or wanting some sex appeal for some of the character designs make you racist? When did, as she called him, white cis men have the monopoly on desiring sex appeal in video game characters? He as a white man had a negative opinion on a black character's design therefore he is racist??? I'm black (just saying cause that seems like someting that matters to this reactor) and I agree with his assessment of the teal cowboy character. His design is goofy and not the entertaining type of goofy like, for example, Junkrat in Overwatch.
Wanting things sexy is fine. I have no issues with attractive characters. But belittling and bashing non attractive characters is not the answer. Imagine you look like those characters and see people making fun of the way someone looks. Just because someone does not have a mass appeal does not mean we should make people feel bad for looking like that. There are so many people that “fixed” the character by making them skinny and pretty. Idk how people don’t understand that issue. But I’m sorry if my words came out wrong or got misunderstood. I was also making a silly joke. I respect everyone and their opinions
@@camellia_vt"Characters don't have to be attractive" True, but they have to be visual appealing. You can't expect someone to play as a character they just don't like the design of. Compare the robot to Bastion in Overwatch. Neither is "attractive" but one just looks better
@@camellia_vtso am I a racist because my Khajiit in Skyrim is a Short but skinny Female?
"I don't think Brad Pitt is hot!"
Worst take I've ever heard, unsubbed :P
Valid, I'm more of a Keanu girl
It's hard to watch when she make excuses every time he mentions a problem they had rather than question who was actually accountable and what was actually happening.
Tell me you're a Concord dev without telling me you're a Concord dev.
Seriously why does she defend every part of this 1/10 commercial and critical failure?
why are you so bothered? I just said I liked some of the characters and the worlds. I don't play shooters only souls games.
@@camellia_vtthis isn't about you liking or disliking, agreeing or disagreeing. The main issue people have with your response is how Dismissive you were.
If you aren't going to give the video a fair chance, don't react to it in the first place.
10 minutes into your video and I was fed up with listening to you because you weren't even listening to the points actually being made, you just heard part of what he said and cut him off to dismiss his points before he even clarified what they were. Even if you don't agree with the point being made, you should still actually listen to it, because it may have information or insight you didn't have. And if they are wrong you now have at least listened in good faith and can reasonably dispute their Actual points.
Instead, by constantly interrupting the video, taking all points in bad faith, and repeating some that behavior in the comments, you have been very disrespectful to your viewers, and that's why I said you were disappointing.
@@apollohateshisdayjob9606 10mins in I was still agreeing with him. Idk what you are talking about.
Vtuber tries to be as contrarian as possible. There's your real title, Cammie.
Valid this may be the worst concord take I've ever seen. Maybe even just the worst take I've seen
You are probably the first person I have seen being optimistic about Concord, and while it is not wrong to do so, it felt forced if not fanatical.
At first, I thought it was just sarcasm, that you were just joking. But as the video went on, your behavior started becoming aggressive to the point that you were almost, if not actually yelling. It is as if Act Man personally attacked you, which I am sure that you know he did not. Now, if your excuse for this behavior is to defend your point, I understand that, and it is okay to stand for your opinion. However, the way you tried defending your point is concerning.
This behavior that you displayed in this video is what is causing comments to point out what you have missed because you might have talked over Act Man or you paused the video, with him stuck at mid-sentence, before he even finished his sentence to get his point across. This is then followed up by you hammering your point to your audience in a loud fashion. This results in both the deafening of the viewers and you to what Act Man is saying and we learned little to nothing of what he truly meant to say. Some of the comments I have seen have also pointed that issue out. It is also important to note that you often change the topic of discussion and turn it into a blame game of races and sexes, delivered in such an aggressive manner, later in the video, which was not talked about whatsoever. He did not even bring up the characters pronouns. So, why argue about something that was not even being talked about in the first place? This leaves a mark on you that may result in newcomers avoiding you because of such behavior.
Now, I hope that this violent reaction of yours is unintentional, and that is fine by me, we all make mistakes. However, as a reaction channel, this leaves a bitter impression on people, making them believe that you do not have any clue on the topic at hand or that you are never interested in it to begin with yet you throw in your opinions that does not even relate to the subject matter. And since this is your latest video as of now, with you reacting to the Act Man, who is a very famous RUclipsr, people will flock to this video, especially the newcomers, and when they see this reaction of yours, that bitter impression will hit home to most viewers and leave your channel alone.
I do not want this for you at all. I have seen some of your videos, with the SCP reactions being my most watched ones, and I do find you enjoyable to watch. But this can not happen again. So I would like to share with you some tips that may help you become a better reactor. I am not a RUclipsr or a reactor at all but I have seen other reactors do these things and it made them more interesting to watch and it leaves the audience hooked into them. Here are the tips: 1.) Let the person in the video you are watching finish their sentence or finish their topic. That way, you have a full grasp on what the topic is. 2.) If you need to pause the video, make sure that you jump back five or ten seconds before you play the video. It may annoy some viewers but this is a surefire way to catch what you may have missed while you were leaving. 3.) Never talk while the video is playing. Your voice and the video will mash together, causing a confusing pile of noise and a chance that you may miss important details. 4.) If you are going to voice out your thoughts, think, double think, triple, think, and quadruple think on if your opinion is related to the discussion and how are you going to respectfully address your opinion. This will make you not look like an ignorant fool who speaks rudely in a savage manner, but as a respectful, honorable and intelligent person who voices things out in a proper, calm, and orderly decorum.
Now, I am not saying that these tips are the "Be-all and end-all" rules for a reactor. I am only sharing what I observed to work on other reactors in keeping the viewers hook to their channels. You do not have to follow all these tips I just shared. You may even forget all these things out of spite. I do not control you or your channel.
If you are offended by what I typed or think that I am overanalyzing this whole situation, I am only doing this because I am concerned for you. Maybe I am being too over my head and that I have no right to do any of this. But I want you to succeed. That's all I ever wanted.
I was at no point angry or violent in this video. I am a natural loud person. If you want to see me angry you should check out my hollow knight play-through.
I just disagreed with some of his points. I respect the act man’s opinion apparently none can respect me. Also why is the act man allowed to be emotional in his video and I have to be quote on quote thinking three times before I say anything. I have ADHD and I stream I say everything out loud. This is just a fun silly video. Sorry everyone is so triggered by someone who opposes your own opinion.
And please don’t say I’m rude when I’m not if you want me to be rude I’ll be rude.
Thank you, enjoy your Thursday
Also I am proud with who I can I don’t want to be a pick me just to get views and likes I want to find people who understand and respect people even when their opinions differ.
I'm all for playing devil's advocate but come on this is excessive. This game was a complete failure that nobody wanted, simple as that.
All I said was I don’t hate the look. How was that too much? I never said the game was not a failure. Idk why so many people are upset that I have an opinion different than they do. At no point in the video was I mad or upset. I found the whole thing funny and entertaining. If you want to see anger you should watch me play hallow knight.
This is probably not the best video to watch about the catastrophe that is concord, there have been a bunch of different analysis ranging from the development time, artists picking apart the character designs, rumors of toxic positivity and suppression of internal criticism, the utter lack of marketing and focus grouping.
Also you're being super dismissive and frankly kind of bigoted here, about halfway in you clearly decide to start judging his opinions on his race and gender as a reason he has them rather than him making a critical analysis of why the general populace didn't pick up the game. The truth is that your opinions here are part of a vanishingly small minority that almost no one agrees with and the fact that you decide to make it about race and gender not him isn't going to win you any points.
Everyone is allowed to have their own opinions. I just think its strange that he ended the video like he did. While I agree there are so many mistakes with the game I disagree with "that it looks bad" is the reason it failed. I like how he is allowed to have opinions but I'm not. I never made anyone feel bad for not liking the look of it.
"Which of these characters would you bang" kind of says it all, tho.
That’s what I’m saying. It’s sus
You can compare new to old by the circumstances of their eras and expectation. For example, ET sold a number impressive on the surface, but 3.5 million of 4 million copies were sent back, either as unsold inventory or customer returns. You also had the licensing fee that had to be paid to even be able to make the game. So yeah, most of those 2.6 million sold were returned and most that were sold were bought by grandmothers. Concord meanwhile doesn't stand out and is one that missed it's chance. If it came out at around the time of Overwatch 1, it might have stood a chance. Still, I wouldn't play it regardless, such games don't interest me at all. I do like watching people go on subjective rants about such games though.
I don't play online shooters at all. I just want more souls-likes. Lies of P is great.
@@camellia_vt It is a great game indeed and, if I understand correctly, the best adaptation of the original Pinocchio. Personally, my tastes are widespread, from things like Story of Seasons to Armored Core 6. I tried Verdict Day but it was too hard for me, likely partly because I had to use a controller in a shooter.
Camellia, okay I normally generally agree with you on things, but it seems like you went into this reaction intending to go on the defensive before considering Act Man's opinions.
It's not "objectively ugly", but if the VAST majority of the possible audience DISLIKES the style of the game in terms of art direction and color choice; then the game will not sell well. We are talking about a commercial failure, not a subjective creativity failure. If you spend $400 million and 8 years of development on ONE game with at the best estimates being 25k sales, and then REFUND ALL PURCHASES, you have lost 400 million dollars. I see no other way to frame a $400 million loss than a commercial failure.
Going even further through the reaction, you end up throwing a lot of "he's being subjective" while making your own subjective opinions, you try to pick at every word in between 10 seconds and invalidate his own points by framing his words as some sort of self-contained three word segment, and deliberately attack him with an overly patronizing tone in each response.
Camellia, you obviously ignored the joke in "I don't think breasts could have saved this game", it really seems like this reaction is a hit piece rather than a genuine critique. You go bringing in the attitude of "Screw off, cis white male" and wield it as some sort of weapon to invalidate any criticism he provided.
Also note that cis white males happen to be a large portion of game consumers. We started and ended Act Man's video with criticism of the financial loss of the game.
He's not "hard-done" by this, if anything, you seem "hard-done" by his opinions and regarding them as him stating objective fact rather than treating them as him presenting an opinion. "We're just having a discussion", no you are not. You're engaging in bad faith with intent on not considering any of his words as meaningful criticism, and treated this entire reaction like a character assassination. There's no way that you haven't realized that he uses hyperbole and jokes in his content, and to try to say that he is "telling on himself" is disingenuous at best.
Before you even consider calling me part of the problem and a "cis white loser", know that I am of the first generation of my family to be born in the US, my parents having immigrated from South America to try to get into American universities in order to provide for the rest of their families back in Argentina. I am not the "typical" consumer of games, I am neurodivergent, definitely not heterosexual, and a Latino son born to an immigrant family.
Please, please make some sort of community statement to address this. I feel as if you went in here with nothing but hate and vitriol, but the entire point of our movements and policies are to bring tolerance and protection to all. Equity is the most important term in my university's motto, and it's for a damn good reason. "Intolerant of intolerance" is an incredibly shortsighted and combative message, and this kind of rhetoric is often pointed to by opposing politicians as reasons to fear us. They see us speak of them with fury and disgust, and see only hatred in our messaging - and this causes them to perceive us as hypocritical and not holding true to our own belief of Equity. Equity is by nature not about tearing others down, but uplifting them to level the playing field. Attacking a broad demographic of people for an immutable characteristic is what got the world into a dark time of hate for those that looked, talked and acted different. An eye for an eye doesn't make the world blind, but it does leave everyone in it worse off.
Hi Leo,
First off I had never heard of Concord before this video so I have no opinions of it before seeing this. While at the start I respected his opinion on the over saturation on 5v5 shooters and the overall uninteresting appeal of the game.
As I progress in the video I noticed that he was only talking about its looks, while then game might not look good to him he acted like its was the majority or that his opinions are facts.
I was just stating that I indeed found aspects of this game pretty. At the end of it I still respect that he is allowed to have his own opinion so am I and everyone here.
And claiming that majority of gamers are male is just plain wrong.
If you found my tone wrong or off putting, that is you projecting. I was having a discussion. There were a few people in my chat at the time that disagreed with me and I told them that is valid. I've been nothing but validating.
Don't assume things about me. I never attacked anyone I always make people feel validated and respected. If this changes your opinion of me. That's just the way.
Please be more understanding of Humans.
Sincerely,
Camellia Linwald
@@camellia_vtnobody's putting ice on you you're a wonderful RUclipsr RUclipsr you're my favorite just that Gamers don't want this no more
@@camellia_vt As the vid went on, you sounded more and more frantic and defensive. Towards the end it put off the feeling of you being personally offended for some reason and trying to be contrarian about everything. You can disagree with me on this, but that's how it came off and that's 'just my opinion' about it.
@@camellia_vt if you "never attacked anyone" you shouldn't have implied that he might be racist or fatphobic with his criticism.
This is the first and only take I've heard to say this looks aesthetically pleasing, let alone passable. If you told me it was a PS3 game, I'd say "Wow, they really dropped the ball in the graphics department." But hey, to each their own, I guess.
True, graphics and aesthetics are different, but they are inherently linked, and to lump them into the same department is obviously just short hand.
If you like the game, you do you. At the end of the day, this isn't just *some* flop; it's one of the single biggest flops of all time, and not just in video gaming.
There is one important update. The new amount is $400 mil. Lost!
you mean 400mil to workers?
@@camellia_vt Of course not, better believe there were some side dealings going on with a project of that magnitude.
And even if it all did go to workers; now the studio is at risk of closing down, thus not being able to pay the workers any more. Plus future employers might not want to hire people involved in such a huge flop, which again results in the workers not getting paid.
So either way it was wasted money.
@@camellia_vt Outsourced workers to finish the game. They started eight years ago. That's enough time for a working game. There is one other factor. Toxic positivity. No one was allowed to criticize it, not even constructively. No one was allowed to say "the design could be better".
It was codenamed "Chaos". The game can be salvaged. A few tweaks in design and it could have worked. But since there's Overwatch, Apex Ledgends, Marvel Rivals, etc. All free to play. The price tag was one more nail in the coffin. I couldn't bother. Too busy with The First Descendant.
@@timjackson9334 I also just remembered; they supposedly scrapped a Infamous and Protoype crossover game in favor of this. That one could’ve been big.
@@Tanerion people get laid off on games that do well
Don't worry, the characters designers also thought the characters where going to success
After all, nothing is "objectively" ugly
35:16 Not at all, Overwatch 2 is bad because of the Blizzard making stupid decisions with the game, your examples of free games vs paid games are not good.
Concord set some nice records.
Development cost: 400.000.000USD
Gross revenue after launch: 1.000.000USD probably less. from searching on the net its estimated at 350.000USD to 500.000USD.
Net revenue: -399.000.000USD
Ngl I don't think that ones gonna be topped anytime soon.
I’m glad 400mil is now back in the economy and not in some corporate safe.
@@camellia_vt ?, that money went to corpa and employees across a HUGE amount of department, so yeah, money lost, not back in circulation
Whoa, i actually found a Female VTuber that attempted to defend this game lmfao, eh, to each their own i guess
I do not defend the game I am just reacting to his video
With everything u cant compare concord 2 i am curious to what u can compare it 2. Maybe Visions Of Mana? The Devs were off the day after release... not quite sure how the games going though but that was interesting.
in total there was over 600million spent on this game in buying the company for 200mill and the rest on rushing concord, and delivered a minimal viable game, battleborn had more players than concord
some of the concord staff was bragging about "being too good to fail" right before it failed.
even if concord was free it would of been overpriced still, upside to concord i dusted off my "Loadout" installation.
alot of the design would of been outdated in the 90s they looted from the reject bucket, alot of the designs used the "stuff to avoid" section of visual creation and character design.
“Overwatch one wasn’t free” yeah, and it was also GOOD.
I don’t think Overwatch is good either but I don’t like online shooters. But that was not the point I was making. He said 5v5 shooters were all free to play which is just wrong.
Honestly, It don't see how it could have worked in any way.
-8 years of developpement
-a developpement price of 400 millions
-game developpers calling their clientel talentless freaks
-the developpement team having a toxic positivity about the game
-the game being 40$ for a hero shooter when the competition is free
-having no good original traits to the point where the IGN review was unable to really compliment them (very funny to watch)
-no skins that look very different
-the character design being "okay" for background characters, like it's really not eye catching
-having a system that makes you unable to specialize on a character (you can't reuse the same character through rounds)
-blocking other contries
-developpement team so big that the choice in direction were slow and even slower because of the toxic positivity
-To finish it, the number of player was so low that you couldn't even do match making
Like, even with all the attention, it just looked boring as hell compared to the other choices.
Still, thank you for showing a different point of view.
Also, when I say character design, I mean, they just look like regualr people with no story telling about themself, nothing that tells you who they are and what they lived through and there is also the gameplay that has nothing that the other games don't have, meaning that there is no real reason to play it.
Most people didn't even knew it was 40$
It just looked like over watch with better graphics and less originality gameplay wise.
No real reason to play, like, people don't care as much about graphic quality anymore.
I even think that it would have had a microscopic better chance if it looked like lethal company's low quality. Like, at least people would have gotten more curious.
You're way too innocent.
@4:27 As something from the 80s myself I feel slightly miffed. 😢
But i would like to try out Marvel rivals though. I mean venom & storm is in it that's enticing enough for me.
thats valid
I see a lot of folks hating on ya and I gotta say I disagree with ya too but not to that degree.
I'll mostly be rambling about aesthetics because that's where my knowledge of that game's features started and ended.
Sungrand Studios did a video on why the design is bad and he does a pretty good job on how the designs don't work. He goes into tonal distribution, a blur test (where if a character isn't interesting to look at blurred then it doesn't work), and how a character's outfit and design tells you a bit about that character. (For example, based on your model's design you're something of a granola girl, incredibly optimistic, and a bit blithe)
As for my own thoughts on the character design and shape, my opinion is kinda similar for the mangaka for FMA: "Make men manly and women vavoom." Especially the player characters. We've all spent way too much time in character creators when they show up, and while it's fun to make fugly characters it's rare to actually play a game with them to the end. If you can't make a player character look badass make them look sexy. And a lot of the female designs just don't hit, it's not just body it's also the face, same for the male characters (when they don't look like they got ripped from somewhere else and made less cool).
And frankly I think the looks alone were enough for most. If you wake up and find two cars waiting for you and a wizard who tells you that you can have either car for free but he doesn't tell you anything about their performance, which are you going to choose? The one that looks like something you could race in, or something that would make a Pinto look like a Mustang?
Tldr, disagree with ya, don't like how the game looks, you're still a cute ball of fun and chaos
I have never seen anyone disagree so strongly with this guy, especially this video 😅
Side note: We know know that all a person has to do to seduce Cami is dress outrageously ❤
I was reading Baldurs gate 3 comments then saw yours and thought it was also one. And I laughed cause I assumed you were talking about the hot guys and I was about to comments or be Leon S Kennedy. I’m not responding to comments on this video anymore but thought you might laugh at this.
@@camellia_vt I would have been so confused lmao
Hahahah, Cammie was on fire with this one. Not everyone agree with the ActMan. I absolutely respect your opinion but I don't think personally that this game was esthetically pleasing. Lots and lots of pastel, and it seems like designs of someone who imagined futuristic characters using items from the 80's. But as I said, you have an optimistic view of it, and I respect that. A lot of people on RUclips goes out of their ways lately to yell on games before the game is even out, and I'm on the opinion that we should base a lot of the main criticism of a game from the gameplay and what it brings to the table. Concord however was also unoriginal and fighting its way out of a saturated genre
Thank you for having good comprehension of this video and respecting my opinion.
@@camellia_vt Thanks, I enjoy your RUclips videos btw. And don't fight too much against negative comments on this one, you're entitled to your own opinion, if people do not agree, it's not against you, more to do with the game itself (And ActMan's video).
Damn, they're so right about toxic positivity
With regards to the character design, personally I think the colour scheme would have suited characters with a slightly more anime or cartoonish aesthetic, I actually like most of the base colour schemes, but they look a bit odd on realisticish models.
I don’t disagree. I’m a huge fan of cartoon and anime styles
Big Boss has a video about The Day Before if you are interested.
is it good?
@@camellia_vt Yep. And informative.
Im gonna be honest... I kinda wanna play as venom or loki in marvel rivals 🤣
super valid, I love loki
Game was made for nobody apparently cause less than 25,000 got it. and yes people wanna look either cool or sexy rather than lame or ugly
Maybe this is a little late but here are the issues
1. The dev team refused to listen and insulted people who criticised them fairly or simply didn't like it so people stop being nice in reviews
2. They layed off hundreds of employees from other studios while funding this game which doesn't look good
3. playstation was hyping it up so much in there state of play and in there online post so it flopped harder
4. Most people didn't like paying $40 for a game which most people didn't like the look of graphically or gameplay wise
5.when there are other free options which though not perfect are free and in case of marvel have beloved characters and concord didn't have that to lift them
I hope that helps you understand everyone else's views, it is trashed more cause the devs through punches at innocent people other wise I feel they could have found there niche
Since it wasn't mentioned in the video, I'll just make a brief mention of it here. Concord actually cost at least 400 mil to make, not 100. In addition to that, Sony also had to buy the rights to the game, for an unknown sum. Yet the game only generated roughly one million through sales (and this is before whatever platforms they used took their share). When it comes to video games, yes. With an economic loss:profit ratio of 400:1, this is objectively and without a doubt one of, if not the single, biggest financial flop in gaming history. You said the money Sony paid the developers was well spent because it went to the salaries of the developers for the time they spent working on the game. Let's bring that into reality. Let's say you hire a construction company to build you a house. You pay them a mil to build the house and when you eventually get the notification that it's completed, you go there and find out they built you a dog house made from cardboard boxes and used trashcans. I obviously don't know you, but I'm pretty confident you wouldn't say that money was well-spend because the construction workers had salaries while they worked on your house.
not the same if you asked them to build the dog house in the first place. Sony wanted this game and thats why they paid for it. Please go get angry at Sony.
I would disagree quite a few people where put off by the art style but shear hate boner you developed in a short time says a lot I am sorry to say but next to nobody any race religion sexuality bothered with this game it's the same mentality as current Hollywood when they blame white men on a show failing and it's like nobody else did I agree with you on the free to play model I have always hated it but the problem for concord was it was an up front cost and then had micro transactions albeit only skins but from what I recall it was used in alt forms for mutiplayer as it was designed to stop you playing a set character for too many matches in a row if I had any criticism of actmans vid it would be he didn't include a lot of the macanics witch also put people off
Though you have some takes that i disagree with i do apricate the neutral look on this game.
400 millions dollars invested into this game. Yes 400 million going to pay the economy for the employees equipment, food, housing, basic needs. But Sony wants 400 million back and when it turns put it will cost more to keep the game up.
40 bucks for a game? Well we have Overwatch for free. I dont like competive games but they have to convince me to pay 40 bucks. Helldivers 2 cost 40 bucks and i still have fun playing it. Concord? I could just play other games thats cost 40 bucks.
Free to play dose not mean good quality. Nither dose paying 40 bucks means a good game.
The charaters are to just bland........they are no outright bad nor horiendous. They are just simple and too safe for charater steroypes. I like the trash man. He to me is the most appealing one to me. Look up Nurgal and see how horrenous and uyle they are and yet people still find them appealing. Yes i am like Act Man. i like boobs and ass but there are more than one ways to make a charater more appealing than....activating monkey nerons. Someones a charater's beauty is the whole point of a charater. If a charater want to be beautiful they want to be beatiful. If they dont want to....then they dont want to.
The game look great in graphics. But the main problem for me was the direction the game was heading. New ip games had to make themselves stand out but Concord try to make themselves a Overwatch copy.
I dont like Concord. It never appealed to me because it follows a gameing trend that is dominated by better competator. Art sytle that is simple and safe but nothing to stand out. A online game that reqires my own time to play. I dont like seeing games failing but if a game delveoper comes out and spit and insults my face then demands me to play thier game......of course i be mad and petty. If they want to spend 400 million dollars for a game to appeal their own taste....fine. Don't expect me to pay 40 bucks to save you from making a 400 million lost. You spend 400 mil and get less in return.
There are plenty of reasons why this game failed, yes the market is saturated with live service nonsense. I’m not a fan of live service, but it appeals to many others. Character designs look generic, nothing screams cool, unique, and worth knowing their characters. Plus, DEI in games are toxic to many gamers who feel it’s gonna suck, and having characters with DEI heavily influence in their designs, and in the character profile selection, makes them go away and giving it a chance, if there was any to saw or heard about it.
This is a major problem, because with Concord’s failure, gamers fear for Sony’s other live service projects that are just gonna fail easily because Sony is doubling down on it, wasting yet again more money that should’ve been better spent somewhere else. And when reports say the game developers have toxic positivity culture, that’ll spread to other gaming developers, and as other gaming devs company are deciding to distance themselves from former DEI members who ever work with them are gonna be out of a job just by association. This is a big deal, for better or worse, the landscape in gaming is changing and these publishers are doubling down on their ideas that are outdated and harmful to the creative process.
Poor concord it had no chance. Also more actman reaction plz
you enjoyed this?!
@@camellia_vt Maybe check out the video he mentioned at 14:55 to get a different look on what kind of content The Act Man creates.
@@mixednarwhal my "you enjoyed this" is not a insult to The Act Man but more on "my" responds to him. I'm not gonna judge the Act Man based of one video.
@@camellia_vt yes it was entertaining even if you were getting mad
@@camellia_vt You totally did judge him though, he’s actually generally against fan service. He likes characters to look appealing sure, but he’s not for “exaggerated curves”.
Not that I care, I’m not really a fan of the guy.
Cami is such an L with this one, comparing how indie games barely gets any number to Concord which is hundreds of millions of dollars with 8yrs of development worth of junk
put respect on indie games and stop patronizing genuine failures from huge corpo
I don’t think you watched my video. I love and support indie games. Just because I said I liked the look of the game and don’t think money from a corpo was wasted on workers does not mean I like the game or that it’s not a failure. Haters gonna hate!
@@camellia_vt Bad take after bad take, don't expect people to watch the entire video just to be able to have an opinion. i listened to your video for about 4- 6 mins and i saved myself time from listening if thats what the content is gonna be about. (over half an hour)(notice how alot of comments are highlighting your bad takes but are 100x more polite)
you should stick to animals videos and light hearted videos since thats where you shine the most (I became a fan and a subscriber through that).
any content that is slightly polarizing and you spew out bad takes
sorry if a poty mouth enjoys your video "just not this one specific video"
@@chevriguevara3743 so you are saying me supporting indie games is a bad take? I see your true colors coming through. I watched this video because a viewer wanted me to. Am I not supposed to have opinions? Or should I just be a sheep and agree with the masses? My takes in this video are not even that hot nor even that rude. But I know it’s upsetting to people to have someone disagree with them. I don’t owe anyone politeness. If you disagree with me that’s okay you can just watch only the cute animal videos I make. Why be so damn rude
@@camellia_vt what are you on about, did you read my comment, i stopped watching 4-6 mins in since your takes are awful (im not gonna watch all of it for the sake of my sanity and to find the "I actually support indie games").. and to say people need to watch the entire video to leave a an opinion. if the first few minutes is shit i dont wanna watch the rest of it...
You support indie games... okay okay but to compare their numbers with a huge corpo flops is disingeniune
like "concord's isn't a flop because indie games have are lucky to have have lower numbers"
ones 100mil budget and indies can barely pass 100k budget 😂
just accept you had bad takes and move on
I enjoy your positive outlook, its a nice chamge of pace from a lot of negativity.
But I have to say sometimes it felt more like you were being dismissive of any negativity than just looking at the positive. Like you would immediately disagree with his points and pause rather than listen to them.
Lile that opinion on it not being a waste was a big stretch imo since your reason why it wasn't a waste had nothing to with the game and what was delivered.
Lile i said I did like your positivity and I could see some of your points. I think it's pretty great and your opinion is as valid as the act mans or anyone else's. It just felt like a few times you were dismissive of his takes and over reaching for some of your takes.
Idk why you think I came off as dismissive. I agree with him on a lot of points. For some reason people think I was angry in this video or something. I was having a fun and interesting conversation. But the video also came off to be like he was hiding his own dislike of the game. He was very emotional in this video. I respect act man’s opinion why can’t the comments respect mine
@camellia_vt Well, at a good amount of moments I saw you react to his point, you seemed to immediately go against it from what I saw. Sometimes, not even waiting for him to finish his point. And it's not wrong to disagree with him but you would do it so quick it came off as dismissive to me at least. Like the "waste of money" part and when he was talking about it being over 100 mil being unnecessary or too much of a risk.
I'm not saying you're wrong, and that Act man was right or vice versa. I don't agree with all of his takes or disagree with all of yours. They're your opinions.
@@crispycreammcfly4782 my brain goes wroom wroom and often I predict what someone is gonna say. ADHD brain superpower.
@camellia_vt I can see that. You're point about comparing the consoles with a game I agreed with, but he also compared it to games too. So you jumped the gun sometimes is all I'm saying. And it came off as dismissive.
Also, I didn't think you were angry. I never said that. I don't know why people would think that.
But to be fair, I think a lot of reactors do that. I might be hounding too much on this since it's a more recent one I watched. I am here for reacting after all.
Im at the character design segment so far and your reaction to it is so funny xdd. The amount of copium you're huffing is-, either you're just rage baiting or just trying really hard to be different. Its so obvious you also think the designs look a$$, you're like stuttering and shaking on what bul#$1t to come up with just to have a different opinion on this topic. EVEN PEOPLE WITH YOUR VIEWS think this sh1t look like dogpi$$. I appreciate the hustle tho and it worked, this got recoomended to me xd.
Gotta give her props for trying to play devils advocate even though shes the minority on the opinion. Although the takes are a little weak ngl.
I appreciate your positive-minded take on this. *BUT SOCIALISM, REALLY?*
For shame, Camellia! 🤣
The forest is a niche, hardcore survival horror indi-game that was released on 30th April 2018 and had a budget of $125k, over the last 24 hours it has had double Concords all time players. (4,887 as of time of commenting). The forest is a wonderful game. yes it has a few bugs but the game itself is just so good! And the sequel Sons of the forest is even better as they earned their big budget for it.
Edit: Also right there with you on the paid for Vs Free to play with some rare exceptions (I like indi games, I could recomend Sooooo many good ones)
You recommending it? Its a great game, I'm a huge horror game fan.
@@camellia_vt Absolutely! Both of them are brilliantly made and the horror slaps HARD!
I usually like The Act Man’s videos but I disagreed with most of his points that he made in this video, especially on the character designs but that aside I also disagreed with some of your points but I enjoyed your video, because no matter if I agree with a person or not I like to hear what other people think of things.
I intended on posting this comment like 19 hours ago but RUclips denied my attempts, so I had to wait a bit before trying again.
100%
More act man please! ❤❤❤❤
any recommendations?
I somewhat understand and agree
with me or him?
Your's when I listen to act-man vid I some what agreed on his take until I heard your's hears why.
the more people you higher the more the game has to be a success as well as making clones of games basically make something actually new.
That some people judge character dsgins subjectivity while some are constructive.
Until i heard your spin on it I was in somewhat of a agreement with act man until some of your points in the video changed my perspective on it but I will still take the points from both your and other people's takes on this and make my own judgment
Basically I like to take opinions I agree/disagree with to form my own think of it as being thorough until I form an opinion of my own and will keep to my self or comment it.
@@Quinnaka this is a very healthy take. I agree you should form your own opinions. Glad I could show you a different perspective :)
bottom line this was a win in the woke social war kek
47:05 He actually mentioned the vtuber SmugAlana in one of his videos and showed up in one of her live stream chats to talk for a bit.
Don’t remember if he actually has anything against vtubers or not though.
Interesting. I know a lot of normies find Vtubers too cringe. No hate to Act Man if he does not like vtubers. We are not for everyone.
I suspect he doesn't. He isn't subtle about what he thinks about something and he knows VTubers watch his videos and that they're in his sphere (sort of speak), and it doesn't seem to bother him.
FYI helldivers 2 is not dead
40:11 again that is an opinion .... not a fact and i say again cos i see my post was deleted even tho it had no cursing or anything that would need to be censored other than an opinion someone didnt like
idk who deleted it, cause it sure as hell was not me. I see all comments bad or good beneficial.