I think Torbin’s choice was actually more complicated than not wanting to admit to the truth of Brendok. Mae offered him a choice: confess the truth to the Jedi Council or receive her forgiveness. He didn’t have to acknowledge her, but he WANTED her forgiveness - so much so that death was an acceptable condition. I think THAT is what’s really compelling about his death. A Jedi was plagued with so much guilt that an offer of forgiveness from someone wronged was worth dying for…
Yeah, the fact that he was willing to end his own life just to have forgiveness for the events on Maes homeworld really shows how deeply hurt he is from all this. I feel really sorry for him.
His death is the reason why I’m going to keep watching the show. I was going to watch all of it anyway but Torbin’s death was just so intriguing. To see him willingly drink poison for Mae’s forgiveness was absolutely intriguing and now I need to know what happened during that fire.
Something really bad happened on Mae and Osha’s home world. That fire can’t be all that happened. You don’t willingly end your life in the hope of forgiveness unless you’re drowning in guilt.
@@Grendel9 so how do y'all feel now after the end of the show? Do you think he killed himself for a good reason? Kinda seems like he got mind raped, none of his comrades talked to him or helped him thru it, and then he came back and was a shut in until he killed himself.
If the show ends with a galactic level scandal forcing the Jedi to retreat to the Core and decrease their recruitment, I would absolutely love it. "15 years ago, Jedi burned down a village for worshiping the Force in a wrong way and now they killed the only remaining witness." So, I do like "kill their reputation" angle.
yep, would sound plausible. The entire Jedi vs Dark Side schism came about because of the Jedi's intolerence towards other interpretations of using the force. so this would make sense.
Not sure why this part of Mae’s story is freaking so many people out. It’s like the “Wax on, wax off” of Sith tests before you can get your lightsaber.
What do you mean freaking out? This video was just about looking at it from a different angle, it may not be a literal death but a destruction of the image and reputation of a Jedi which doesn’t require a weapon at all.
He means that a lot of people have criticised the show for saying you can't kill a jedi with steel or laser, yet Mae kills Indara with steel knives, as if they've found a contradiction, but they missed that the Sith dude is not being directly literal with the creed. In short, people suck at watching things now. @lukestarkiller1470
I think it's just because the master says "steel or laser are no threat to jedi" or something to that extent, right after seeing steel kill a jedi, and having seen lasers kill all of them at one point. Makes people think it's a contradiction (and it does read as one), though I thought it more likely to be some sort of dark side test (attack with a weapon and you fail [my test] not fail [to have a chance]) than literally saying jedi can't be defeated, which it still may well be, just with some odd dialogue to set it up.
@@TrentGgrims Hate to say it, but aren't you making it worse? The whole concept of echo chambers, you are echoing "freaking out", putting some poetic license on it (which is your right), but then people hear that and feel justified for their reasons for not liking something. I think dislike of art (shows, movies, whatever) has far more to do with set and setting. Did someone have a bad day and the show failed to make it better, so they have to find something wrong with the show and call it bad writing, or how it ruined x,y,z. When really, they're just cranky pants
I don’t really have a problem with this trial. I think it makes sense. I think my problem is that I just can’t get past the whole thing with Sabine and Reva where they were both stabbed with lightsabers and yet didn’t have any injuries or die.
Another thing to consider : During both fights in 1st and 2nd episodes, Mae tries to take her opponent's lightsaber. I don't think it's a coincidence. Recall that the Jedi must build their own lightsabers whereas the Sith must take them from someone else. I wonder if once she gets a lightsaber, things will become a bit more Sith-y.
Killing without a weapon is definitely being taken too literally. I like that Qimir is keeping the misunderstanding going since he's the masked red blade stranger. At the very least he knows more than he's letting on.
@@RecoveryHackerI thought it was when they said “the activist crap”. 😂 Trolls gonna troll, and regurgitate every word they have heard, without actually experiencing or attempting to understand the world.
@@FFFFPPPP I think the martial arts make perfect sense, its wild we havent seen more jedi use hand to hand combat. And are we saying bigger people dont have the force? Jedi have different roles and jobs not everyone goes out on missions.
I sort of thought Mae killed Indara without a weapon. True, the killing blow was a dagger, but that’s not HOW she killed. She killed by exploiting the instinct of the Jedi to protect.
I’m so glad there’s at least one channel that is trying to report on the show, without all the widespread hysteria that this is the worst thing ever conceived. It’s really disappointing. I’m enjoying the show. It’s not without flaw, but it’s no less polished than literally any other Disney+ show in the last few years (minus Andor obviously)
That whole speech about not being able to ‘kill’ a jedi with steel or lasers is just speaking with fancy metaphors. You're not supposed to take it literally. It's like when Obi Wan tells Vader that upon being struck down, he will return more powerful than Vader can imagine. Obi Wan did come back as a Force Ghost but did not literally become a more powerful being than Vader.
Actually, you just proved the argument about the metaphor because he literally did come back more powerful than he could imagine. Again, it's about certain points of view the sith see power as direct tangible things while Jedi or true Jedi see power as philosophical understanding. Obi-Wan came back with the power of not only being able to survive life after death, which is something the sith cannot solve, but eventually beyond death trained Luke to a deeper meaning that allowed the true destruction of Vader, not by a blade but by compassion. That's the true power there. It's the same reason why up until the prequels ruined it a little bit. I really liked that. Yoda and palpatine were the two most powerful forces and yet we never saw them usually lightsabers Is why I like that. Luke never actually used his in The last Jedi after becoming the most powerful force user in the aftermath. It's the same sort of power difference that you see from the prequels into the sequels where the newer experience Jedi are using constant Force tricks and flips and fancy movements. But the experience Jedi just have such a processing in Grace level that they're able to dispatch the same foes in about 1 to 2 moves. That's the whole point of experience as opposed to raw power.
It's a reference to the Sith, among others, inability to defeat the Jedi when they take them on in conflict. The Sith just couldn't beat them in the long run, even if they came close.
Mastee Torbin's scene is so meaningful for the entire franchise. A Jedi so desperate for atonement that he is willing to unalive himself. That scene reminds me of SEPPUKKU, something that also links the Jedi to the Samurai. Warriors taking their own lives as an honourable death.
The whole thing is representative of this new method for the Sith. They tried to defeat the Jedi Order head on, in conflict, many times. It didn't work. So to join or at least be elevated by this era of Sith, you have to prove you're more than violence, that you can use cunning, deception and manipulation to defeat your enemies. It's a great trial to use to recruit an effective Sith apprentice in this era.
This reminds me of that one mini arc in the Darth Vader comic where Vader breaks a Jedi spiritually after he has that transport filled with Jedi younglings destroyed right in front of him. Vader didn’t even kill him after that, he left and waited for him to kill himself in shame and despair.
“Kill a Jedi without a weapon” I am thinking has two meanings. Either kill a Jedi without using a weapon, or disarm the Jedi and kill them with their weapon. Didn’t Palpatine send Vader on a similar quest to get a new saber?
We haven’t just seen Mae try to grab the sabers; the cinematography highlights those moments! The fact she’s trying to take them is important, even if we don’t know why yet.
@@EthOrlen Honestly those moments were pretty jarring and took me out of it, was way too on the nose and felt kind of amateur. Just feels like they dont trust the audience to figure thesse things out by using our brains. We have to be spoon fed apparently.
@@Nubleborskywdym, someone trying to steal a jedis weapon isnt something that should be subtle. That's not spoonfeeding, it's literally a key part of the plot.
I think Sol allows Mae to kill him as an attempt at redemption, or Osha kills him in a fit of rage after discovering the truth. And I think Kelnacca is the one killed by his own lightsaber, at least it's what the very recent teaser suggests
100% agreed that the diatribe can be taken too literally. My read is that Mae is attempting to prove herself to "him" and throwing a Jedi a old-school beatdown with thier own lightsaber seems like it might just be metal enough to put her to the front of whoever she Mae be competing against. Also, Alexs' shirt wins.
Mae was consistently reaching for the Jedi’s lightsabers. Made me wonder if it’s acceptable to kill the Jedi with a weapon if that weapon was taken from them.
Oh I pretty much understood what the dark figure meant when he said that you can't kill a Jedi with a weapon. I knew he was speaking philosophically not literally. Too bad this went over a lot of people's heads. But great video as always, Alex and Mollie.👍👍🤘🤘 You guys have a way of explaining things that makes it easy to understand. Keep at it, and yes! For Light and Life!
My guess is "killing a Jedi without a weapon" means making them fall to the dark side. Someone drinking a poison of their own accord clearly isn't what we think of when we say "killed with a weapon," but the show makes it clear the Sith master wouldn't consider that to count. And I think it clearly doesn't mean killing them with your bare hands, as Mae doesn't really seem to be trying to do that. Plus, Anakin's fall to the dark side is also described metaphorically as him being "killed." And I do agree that the ultimate target is most likely Master Sol.
Granted we are only 2 episodes in. The only real complaint I have is the awkwardness with Mae hunting Jedi. Like I thought this was gonna be a suspenseful/mystery serial killer type story. Naturally with the Sith involved it would add that warped/sinister vibe..... Not Mae upfront challenaging Jedi to the death in broad daylight lol
I think it’s supposed to be very clear that she has no real clue what she’s actually doing, she’s not a trained murderer she’s just a young girl who’s out for revenge. The real villain is the mysterious Sith or dark side character and he’s just using Mae to do his bidding by manipulating her into killing Jedi for revenge for her family
The stilted & 'anachronistic' dialogue is my only complaint, though I think many people are overhating due to pre-release expectations. Jedi being current day police, with some mcu-esque lines 'orrrrr we skip all that', and saying things that seem to have read better on paper than as actual dialogue 'attack me with all your strength!' all take away from the suspense imo, but then it doesn't seem to be as interested in suspense as I thought it'd be, since the core mystery is no longer who's doing the murders or why, but what the sith's name is and what the jedi did on the twins' homeworld.
Speaking of perspectives, I want to add that it's also interesting to kind of see it from the Jedi's point of view of what a weapon is. Although they process differently, especially the older Jedi have very similar thoughts to the sith after all, they were born from the same common ancestor. Same way that especially inexperienced sith see power as direct tangible things. I think there could be said that you have this combination with the Jedi that one has. Obi-Wan says he explains that the Jedi lightsaber is his life, which is not completely true and is something that Luke ended up properly disproving both at the end of return of the Jedi as well as re-rectified in the last Jedi. The life of a Jedi should be the force, but I think we're seeing what Obi-Wan saying starting to begin here. The Jedi while only using their lightsaber as a last resort, see the lightsaber as the actual symbol of their rule piece. Essentially through a weapon, something that causes harm and destruction. It's a great symbolism. You combine that with? I'm pretty sure that after the sith Wars they had so many years of Peace that they just got used to being the top dogs in the Galaxy, especially among four seasons. You see this at the council of force users which fascinatingly we don't ever see in the prequel era anymore. Probably because the Jedi abolished it or refrained from attending afterwards. And that I think this basically gave the beginning of the ego that would be directly exploited by the sith ending with palpatine. When the Jedi think of things that could destroy them, they're thinking of lightsabers and super weapons. And the funny thing is what ends up doing them in the end is their own ego clouding their own natural instincts as well as general politics, social interaction with others that they very much lack starting in the acolyte and full ahead in the prequels. I think this also exemplifies what Luke's mistake was he tried to bring an old order back that was broken and he did the truly horrific thing of keeping the whole order. Basically kind of like his own secret cult which super backfired on him just like it did his predecessors, which is why even though he learned it really late. Yoda is the one that corrects him on that and I actually do think by the way and that's why it's more important that Luke's final interaction with a force dose being alive has was with Yoda then Obi-Wan. I've always seen Obi-Wan as like the symbol off the fall of the Jedi. Don't get me wrong. I love the character and I love both actors that played him but he displays such insane arrogance and confidence, particularly in the prequels. He still even after training with Qui-Gon stuck in his principles and again revers the weapon of the Jedi more than the connection to the force which reflects his training on being a general literally to the point where I've always theorized that and I wish they would touch up on this that when Obi-Wan killed Mall he did it using the dark side of the horse. So I think it's really important that Yoda who actually had to look and rectify his own ways was the one who talked to Luke and basically told him look. You've repeated the same mistake in the past. We told you to pass down what you learned, not resurrect the old order. Stop being nostalgic and start being progressive.
As usual, interesting and positive video! It even made me think of something I watched in another channel about making Jedi see as inept and corrupt, they are at their top, and I began to think that maybe is kind of boring when you are at the top and no one around is at your height, I'm beginning to think also that saying that Sith were not seen for a thousand years is a mistake, you are making Jedi being great when no one is around to opose them.. that's why you have to make conflict as you can to make something interesting.. maybe I'm crazy, keep rocking and stay safe ..
I think her mission is also to help prove that the Jedi aren’t as strong as people believe which further harms their reputation. After all, if someone could show up and kill a Jedi without a weapon, it shows that there’s others out there more “powerful” than the Jedi.
The dark side masters short monologue at the end of episode one was the hook for me for the series. Although it is a bit funny that he ignites a lightsaber while talking about killing without a weapon ;)
I think both the girls, Mae and Osha have been told a lie about what happened. Perhaps they both are used for a narrative from which they together set themselves free off. They both thought the other one was dead.
Gotta say, Torban willingly drinking that poison hooked me in as well. And i definitely see similarities to Andor in this series as a result of that. The first episode started out kinda slow, but the 2nd episode got things rolling to the point that you're hooked in to the plot. I do hope Sol doesn't die, as he seems like he actually wants to atone for his past. But even if he survives, how we as the audience see him may not survive untarnished by the end
I think the Jedi who were there when Osha was rescued realised that her and her sister were a dyad in the Force, Osha being the light side of it and Mae the dark side (maybe we'll discover later that is the opposite or that both are dark sided?) They may have encountered a situation where they should had to chose which one to save and they've chosen to save Osha and left Mae for dead thinking that was the right thing to do for everyone. It is of course not the right thing but we have seen how they grew arrogant believing to be the ones who must make the decisions for "the greater good". Edit: I just see a picture of mother Aniseya and the marking she has in her forehead has 2 dots resembling the Ying and Yang symbol. It seems to reinforce the idea of a Force dyad, complementary opposites.
I feel she doesn't really want to kill a jedi without weapon. She want to create a red lightsaber instead. She seems to want to catch the lightsaber of her target each time. Maybe does she want to take that lightsaber and use it to make that saber bleed by killing its master ? That would explain why she seemed interested in grabbing the lightsaber during the fight, then choose to leave it when her target is already dead
Its an ideology, you kill a jedi by destroying their ideology, their reputation, their dream. Its not literal as people think. Its to damage the jedi as a whole where people no longer believe in them.
I originally thought killing a jedi without a weapon = turning them to the dark side Destroying their fantasy and beliefs is like killing their identity of a jedi
The "leader" is trying to make a Jedi turn to the dark side--my speculation. Turning a jedi to the dark side is the only real death a light side jedi can have.
I thought some of them were getting too close to the truth that the sith were alive so they killed them off while making their deaths look like an accident
Also just the sign of that Indara is a Jedi Master and very strong but all the patrons in the bar started fighting for her even though she knew she could handle herself. People right now love Jedi
I thought it was tied to how Vader got his lightsaber. He killed a Jedi without a weapon then took their lightsaber and bled the kyber crystal to make his own. I think Mae is trying to get a lightsaber. That's why she keeps reaching for everyone's. And also it's easier to kill them when they're disarmed.
I'm suprised that someone is trying to find reason on very bad written dialogues like this one, like it was supposed to mean something other than just filling a spot... It just means it was bad written, nothing else, you're welcome.
I am once again so glad I read the Revenge of the Sith novelization by Matthew Stover. The whole thing with the perfect Jedi trap that is the Clone Wars... This feels like were that idea begins
I like the idea that “Killing a Jedi without a weapon” means turning them to the dark side (as seen on a post by u/nosayso on Reddit ) . I don’t know if I’m the only one, but I feel like Yord might be that Jedi. I don’t trust Yord, it feels like he keeps doing things that have been either turned down or just brushed off, even though he’s following the Jedi code strictly from what I’m seeing. This undermining is a classic way of turning someone bad, and even thought this show has been amazing throughout, it’s not like it doesn’t have a lot of cliches. I can already see a scene, where Yord is across from Sol or some other, and Sol says something about how _____ isn’t the Jedi way. Yord would yell at him to not talk to him about the Jedi way, go on a rant about how he’s been following the Jedi way, and all that has happened is being undermined. This would slowly bleed the crystal, turning it red. I don’t know if they’d do it as he’s holding it out, or he de-constructs the saber and bleeds it as he yells, but that’s my prediction
But didn’t Sol also tell Osha to trust Mae? I think there’s something being swept under the rug, but I don’t think it’s quite as cut and dried. I’m sure there are plenty of twists and turns to come. I’m enjoying the show but the trolls are really, really wearing on me...
I think kill the Jedi is more metaphorical in the sense that he wants to discredit the Jedi. I don’t think Mae completely understands what he is telling her.
How do you kill the dream... By uncovering the truth. Only having seen these two episodes so far I think even that idea of "kill without a weapon" had two faces to it (similar to the two titles, the two sisters and even the two stories running in tandem). In Mara's POV "kill without a weapon" sounds like a physical test of power, with parallels drawn between what those who've read the Vader comics know about taking a jedis light sabre and bleeding it to forge a siths. So we immediately (if we Iknkw about it), jump to that - with may/mae trying to go for the different light sabres during her fights. Yet, I think this in itself is a false lead as it is the revelation of the truth that happened on Mae and oshas home which is the real "killing without a weapon". In this case, Mae/may herself probably isn't even (really) a deciple of the dark side, but is instead a tool to Coax out the truth and let others figure out the truth. After all, she's not subtle and sly (working in the shadows), she openly declared her intentions before starting a fight and makes a scene (witnesses, caught on local jedi temple security... Not exactly as subtle as a sith). However, it's the words that her "partner" the poisoner says to Osha which cinch this idea "you look just like her"... From his Talk with Mae about killing without a weapon we get the idea that he's more than what he claims to be, or what may thinks he is, but the fact that he's able to identify Osha - the sister who may thinks is dead, cements the idea (to me) that the plan involves brining these two sisters back together, not because they are protganistic forces moving the plot, but because they are pieces on a puzzle board which when lined up together with the targeted/dead jedi masters will make "the political enemies" of the jedi wonder "what happened on that world? Why did you claim that there was a fire. Why did the jedi not mention Osha's sister in the records after? Why did one jedi master undertake the barash vow after the mission? Why did another leave? Why did another jedi master take a local positing on a far-off world? Why? Why? Why?" - the weapon is the truth, and to paraphrase Darth sidious when describing dooku to Vader "Mae is a proton torpedo, once her goal is accomplished she is no longer needed". I mean, while we can see that she has killed two jedi masters, she is outclassed completely... A stark contrast to what we'd see a century later during the clone wars with Asajj Ventress and even General Grievous - a sith assassin and cyborg enforcer skilled enough to confront and kill multiple jedi from padawans to masters. Whatever this truth is, it must be able to send shockwaves that the jedi recall members to the main temple on courasant and abandon their local ones - taking the jedi away from the eyes of the rest of the galaxy and thereby turning them from "real people" who wander the streets and frequent bars to mythical figures and fairies tales who are only ever seen by the political elite. After all, the clone wars were called "the clone wars" not "the jedi and clone wars" as folk around the gaxy would see clone troopers in white armour saving their defenceless worlds more than a light sabre weilding jedi.
To me, it as simple as metal sharpens metal. Roko Hardeen and Cad Bane's conversation made the same point. You don't become more powerful than the jedi by sharpshooting one. Basically, if you take the easy way, you will never be powerful enough to be 'worthy' of the name sith. The taunting element is there as well. We are so powerful, we don't need weapons to kill jedi. And like all of yoda's lightsaber duels with the sith, at a certain point weapons are pointless, and it is just a battle in the force.
I'm not currently subscribed to D+ and have been leaning towards giving yet another SW series a pass. But your take on this series has me reconsidering my stance. There's a disturbance in the Force, I feel it and I can't turn away.
You can't spoil something that's already rotten 🤷🏽♂️ mighty convenient how a 3 inch dagger to the center of the chest can kill you but literal lightsabers that burn thousands of degrees inside your belly with all your organs you survive from. As a kid and adult in Kenobi and as an adult in Ashoka 💀
I like this damage the top jedi's reputation one by one before going for the larger scale. Kind of like how in Star Trek we always see Starfleet officers debit the Prime Directive. Even then in Star Trek the Prime Directive issue has gotten so debatable that we've seen not one but two accounts of them having their own version of Order 66.
"The future of the Sith no longer hinges on physical prowess but on political cunning. The new Sith will rule less by brute force than by means of instilling fear.” -Darth Plagueis
and The High Republic takes place after the Sith Wars of The Old Republic makes sense the Sith would no longer try a brute force approach then resort to tactical one.
I don't think the Jedi are lying when they say Mae started a fire on Brendok that burned down their village. What I do think is that there is a lie of omission on HOW and WHY Mae started that fire.
Was't it after Mae killed Indura that we saw her master light up a light saber? Could Mae have taken Indira's light saber for her master and we just didn't see it on screen that she (Mae) took Indira's light saber? Maybe Mae's master is sending her after the Jedi to get their light sabers for his own needs. What you think...?
we would have seen her picking it up. its implied its a quest for Mae. also...i dont think a kyber crystal can be bleed that fast (third add, it wouldnt go against siths phylosohy AND morals,akin to the "darksaber rules")
I seem to remember Vader having to kill a jedi without a weapon in order to get his first Sith lightsaber in the comics? I could be remembering that wrong, but this could be part of her Sith trials.
Since the plan to destroy the Jedi’s reputation existed with Plagueis it makes sense it could go farther. Palpatine should only really get credit for not F’n it up.
Leave it to the fans to fill in huge story gaps which is why the series is viewed so negatively. The hypocritical statements the characters make during the show doesn't help theories, it just reinforces the reality of poor story writing. The show needs a rehaul, preferably from people who know how to direct proper dialogue instead of the current agenda Disney is promoting.
I don’t get why he says steel and laser, what happened to blasters shooting plasma not light? I thought lasers where mostly used for point defense on ships is this some sort of new canon thing?
It’s so refreshing to hear excitement for this show. I like Jeremy Jahns, but I’m so over the “Disney killed Star Wars” mentality. This show actually reminds me a lot of KOTOR so far.
To add to the "killing without a weapon", I've noticed that Mae keeps trying to grab the lightsaber of each Jedi she has fought so far... Why would she be going for the lightsaber if she's supposed to be killing without a weapon? Is she just planning on grabbing it & throwing it away?
Trying to get them to grab their weapons early, to push them against their code and show that they may be quicker to using it than they are supposed to
I am not sure how I like what the Jedi of this era is portrayed like and why theyre enemies claims they "only draw theyre weapons if theyre is able to kill someone" while we all know Jedi use theyre weapons to attack, not to defend. I feel it like are watching the story from someones perspective and that this perspective can change how we see these episodes later on. J.
Unfortunately, like so many fan theories, the truth was dumber than anything we could come up with. He literally meant she had to kill a jedi without a weapon for... reasons.
It's a metaphotpr for destroying the ideology of the jedi order killing 1 pr 2 jedi won't make a difference. The clone wars achieved the destruction of the ideology of the order
Well I also believe that Sol will be the final / primary target. As for what happened on the planet Witch. I reckon the story is going to be something along the lines of : Jedi have started becoming too dogmatic and 'letter not spirit' of what Jedi are supposed to be (not sure how much I believe I mean Yoda was alive and a Jedi at this time right? Anyways I think what happens is the 4 Jedi Indara, Tobin, Wookie and Sol get sent to the Witch Planet on a Force Sensitive finding mission - which they do with both the witches and Osha and Mae. Osha wants to become a Jedi and Mae doesn't. However when the Jedi meet the Witches they say something like 'Hey we're looking for force sensitives you have to by republic decree XY23 allow us to test everyone under 5 or ? age. They say No thanks go touch grass we don't believe in the Jedi and aren't members of the republic. The Jedi reply hmmmm then see Osha, Sol walks over to her and says hey I sense something want to be a jedi? she says yes her Mother Crone says hell no and Mae screams at her. The Jedi apologise and leave Osha and Mae get in a fight as Mae feels like Osha has betrayed the family and their beliefs having stated she wants to be a Jedi. They fight Osha runs away to find the Jedi before they leave the planet. Mae realises this goes but goes and tells the Witches that the Jedi have kidnapped her sister. They arm up and storm the local jedi precinct or starport which starts the fight between the two and the world / town starts burning as the Jedi having called in reinforcements to deal with the malcontent witches fight to allow Osha 'her choice' whilst the Mothers and witches fight due to belief that Osha was kidnapped and due to the differing beliefs of the Jedi / Witches it all burns - the Jedi realise this only after having killed the Witches and decide rather than make the tragic incident known to cover up ... Osha gets trained as she 'wanted' until kicked out because Green lizard lady booted her out due to mistrust in where she comes from. few years pass Acolyte season 1 starts,
I think Torbin’s choice was actually more complicated than not wanting to admit to the truth of Brendok.
Mae offered him a choice: confess the truth to the Jedi Council or receive her forgiveness. He didn’t have to acknowledge her, but he WANTED her forgiveness - so much so that death was an acceptable condition.
I think THAT is what’s really compelling about his death. A Jedi was plagued with so much guilt that an offer of forgiveness from someone wronged was worth dying for…
Yeah, the fact that he was willing to end his own life just to have forgiveness for the events on Maes homeworld really shows how deeply hurt he is from all this. I feel really sorry for him.
His death is the reason why I’m going to keep watching the show. I was going to watch all of it anyway but Torbin’s death was just so intriguing. To see him willingly drink poison for Mae’s forgiveness was absolutely intriguing and now I need to know what happened during that fire.
Something really bad happened on Mae and Osha’s home world. That fire can’t be all that happened. You don’t willingly end your life in the hope of forgiveness unless you’re drowning in guilt.
@@Grendel9 so how do y'all feel now after the end of the show?
Do you think he killed himself for a good reason?
Kinda seems like he got mind raped, none of his comrades talked to him or helped him thru it, and then he came back and was a shut in until he killed himself.
@@flochforster6892oh boy, just wait til you watch the end
If the show ends with a galactic level scandal forcing the Jedi to retreat to the Core and decrease their recruitment, I would absolutely love it. "15 years ago, Jedi burned down a village for worshiping the Force in a wrong way and now they killed the only remaining witness." So, I do like "kill their reputation" angle.
Did not expect to see you here, but I agree
Nice to see you here
That would be sick
yep, would sound plausible. The entire Jedi vs Dark Side schism came about because of the Jedi's intolerence towards other interpretations of using the force. so this would make sense.
And, unfortunately, the real plotline was so much dumber.
Man, I am so glad someone recommended this channel to me.
THIS IS THE WAY WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING STAR WARS!
safe space, no hate here
Exactly instead of just typical Angry Arguments in a youtube Comment section.
Not sure why this part of Mae’s story is freaking so many people out. It’s like the “Wax on, wax off” of Sith tests before you can get your lightsaber.
What do you mean freaking out? This video was just about looking at it from a different angle, it may not be a literal death but a destruction of the image and reputation of a Jedi which doesn’t require a weapon at all.
He means that a lot of people have criticised the show for saying you can't kill a jedi with steel or laser, yet Mae kills Indara with steel knives, as if they've found a contradiction, but they missed that the Sith dude is not being directly literal with the creed.
In short, people suck at watching things now.
@lukestarkiller1470
I think it's just because the master says "steel or laser are no threat to jedi" or something to that extent, right after seeing steel kill a jedi, and having seen lasers kill all of them at one point. Makes people think it's a contradiction (and it does read as one), though I thought it more likely to be some sort of dark side test (attack with a weapon and you fail [my test] not fail [to have a chance]) than literally saying jedi can't be defeated, which it still may well be, just with some odd dialogue to set it up.
@@TrentGgrims Hate to say it, but aren't you making it worse? The whole concept of echo chambers, you are echoing "freaking out", putting some poetic license on it (which is your right), but then people hear that and feel justified for their reasons for not liking something. I think dislike of art (shows, movies, whatever) has far more to do with set and setting. Did someone have a bad day and the show failed to make it better, so they have to find something wrong with the show and call it bad writing, or how it ruined x,y,z. When really, they're just cranky pants
I don’t really have a problem with this trial. I think it makes sense.
I think my problem is that I just can’t get past the whole thing with Sabine and Reva where they were both stabbed with lightsabers and yet didn’t have any injuries or die.
Another thing to consider : During both fights in 1st and 2nd episodes, Mae tries to take her opponent's lightsaber. I don't think it's a coincidence. Recall that the Jedi must build their own lightsabers whereas the Sith must take them from someone else. I wonder if once she gets a lightsaber, things will become a bit more Sith-y.
yeah we havent seen someone bleed a kyber crystal in live action outside Dagan Gera
Unfortunately, no. And it never gets explained
It's kind of like what Tarkin says in his first Rebels appearance; the concern is more with what a Jedi could represent than just the presence of one.
Killing without a weapon is definitely being taken too literally. I like that Qimir is keeping the misunderstanding going since he's the masked red blade stranger. At the very least he knows more than he's letting on.
@@FFFFPPPP "worst shows in modern times" - this is where you let your trollmask slip.
people are missing the subtext again
@@RecoveryHackerI thought it was when they said “the activist crap”. 😂 Trolls gonna troll, and regurgitate every word they have heard, without actually experiencing or attempting to understand the world.
Mae’s braids are down her back. Osha’s are shoulder length. If you didn’t notice that then your whole point is null and void. 😅😅😂😂
@@FFFFPPPP I think the martial arts make perfect sense, its wild we havent seen more jedi use hand to hand combat. And are we saying bigger people dont have the force? Jedi have different roles and jobs not everyone goes out on missions.
I sort of thought Mae killed Indara without a weapon. True, the killing blow was a dagger, but that’s not HOW she killed. She killed by exploiting the instinct of the Jedi to protect.
True, and I think the same could be said about Torbin. She exploded his regret about what happened on Brendok and his despair for forgiveness.
I’m so glad there’s at least one channel that is trying to report on the show, without all the widespread hysteria that this is the worst thing ever conceived. It’s really disappointing. I’m enjoying the show. It’s not without flaw, but it’s no less polished than literally any other Disney+ show in the last few years (minus Andor obviously)
That whole speech about not being able to ‘kill’ a jedi with steel or lasers is just speaking with fancy metaphors. You're not supposed to take it literally.
It's like when Obi Wan tells Vader that upon being struck down, he will return more powerful than Vader can imagine. Obi Wan did come back as a Force Ghost but did not literally become a more powerful being than Vader.
Actually, you just proved the argument about the metaphor because he literally did come back more powerful than he could imagine. Again, it's about certain points of view the sith see power as direct tangible things while Jedi or true Jedi see power as philosophical understanding. Obi-Wan came back with the power of not only being able to survive life after death, which is something the sith cannot solve, but eventually beyond death trained Luke to a deeper meaning that allowed the true destruction of Vader, not by a blade but by compassion. That's the true power there. It's the same reason why up until the prequels ruined it a little bit. I really liked that. Yoda and palpatine were the two most powerful forces and yet we never saw them usually lightsabers Is why I like that. Luke never actually used his in The last Jedi after becoming the most powerful force user in the aftermath. It's the same sort of power difference that you see from the prequels into the sequels where the newer experience Jedi are using constant Force tricks and flips and fancy movements. But the experience Jedi just have such a processing in Grace level that they're able to dispatch the same foes in about 1 to 2 moves. That's the whole point of experience as opposed to raw power.
It's a reference to the Sith, among others, inability to defeat the Jedi when they take them on in conflict. The Sith just couldn't beat them in the long run, even if they came close.
Atton Rand: [Enters chat]
“Look, all I’m good for is cracking wise and pretending to fight with my hands.”
Mastee Torbin's scene is so meaningful for the entire franchise. A Jedi so desperate for atonement that he is willing to unalive himself. That scene reminds me of SEPPUKKU, something that also links the Jedi to the Samurai. Warriors taking their own lives as an honourable death.
The whole thing is representative of this new method for the Sith. They tried to defeat the Jedi Order head on, in conflict, many times. It didn't work.
So to join or at least be elevated by this era of Sith, you have to prove you're more than violence, that you can use cunning, deception and manipulation to defeat your enemies. It's a great trial to use to recruit an effective Sith apprentice in this era.
This reminds me of that one mini arc in the Darth Vader comic where Vader breaks a Jedi spiritually after he has that transport filled with Jedi younglings destroyed right in front of him. Vader didn’t even kill him after that, he left and waited for him to kill himself in shame and despair.
Feeling like Torbin waiting for the next episode
I've heard the next episode is where the show truly finds itself.
“Kill a Jedi without a weapon” I am thinking has two meanings. Either kill a Jedi without using a weapon, or disarm the Jedi and kill them with their weapon. Didn’t Palpatine send Vader on a similar quest to get a new saber?
Yes. Palpatine sent Vader after a Jedi survivor taking the Barash Vow and had him kill him without a weapon. Vader would then take his lightsaber.
Plus we've seen Mae try to grab both indara's and Sol's lightsabers
We haven’t just seen Mae try to grab the sabers; the cinematography highlights those moments! The fact she’s trying to take them is important, even if we don’t know why yet.
@@EthOrlen Honestly those moments were pretty jarring and took me out of it, was way too on the nose and felt kind of amateur. Just feels like they dont trust the audience to figure thesse things out by using our brains. We have to be spoon fed apparently.
@@Nubleborskywdym, someone trying to steal a jedis weapon isnt something that should be subtle. That's not spoonfeeding, it's literally a key part of the plot.
I think Sol allows Mae to kill him as an attempt at redemption, or Osha kills him in a fit of rage after discovering the truth. And I think Kelnacca is the one killed by his own lightsaber, at least it's what the very recent teaser suggests
These videos are great, I'm loving the show and listening to your thoughts!
The guy standing there saying "blaster and steel have no effect" after she just killed one with a steel throwing knife...
Im worried about people's reaction. I want already more of Acolyte. Yet I think ,people won't give chance to it. Because they are bad
100% agreed that the diatribe can be taken too literally. My read is that Mae is attempting to prove herself to "him" and throwing a Jedi a old-school beatdown with thier own lightsaber seems like it might just be metal enough to put her to the front of whoever she Mae be competing against. Also, Alexs' shirt wins.
Absolutely phenomenal video. Nice work!
Season 2 of the clone wars showed me how even bounty hunters can be a serious threat to Jedi
Mae was consistently reaching for the Jedi’s lightsabers. Made me wonder if it’s acceptable to kill the Jedi with a weapon if that weapon was taken from them.
Oh I pretty much understood what the dark figure meant when he said that you can't kill a Jedi with a weapon. I knew he was speaking philosophically not literally. Too bad this went over a lot of people's heads.
But great video as always, Alex and Mollie.👍👍🤘🤘 You guys have a way of explaining things that makes it easy to understand. Keep at it, and yes! For Light and Life!
It’s so weird how so many got hung up on this obviously philosophical line.
@@gw7911 Yeah. It was pretty obvious. But I think most people need to get spoon fed in order to understand.
@@99jarjarbinks yeah what I kinda hate modern storytelling and too exposition can bog down a story
@@JBTriple8 Every story has exposition. Even the good ones.
My guess is "killing a Jedi without a weapon" means making them fall to the dark side. Someone drinking a poison of their own accord clearly isn't what we think of when we say "killed with a weapon," but the show makes it clear the Sith master wouldn't consider that to count. And I think it clearly doesn't mean killing them with your bare hands, as Mae doesn't really seem to be trying to do that. Plus, Anakin's fall to the dark side is also described metaphorically as him being "killed." And I do agree that the ultimate target is most likely Master Sol.
Granted we are only 2 episodes in. The only real complaint I have is the awkwardness with Mae hunting Jedi. Like I thought this was gonna be a suspenseful/mystery serial killer type story. Naturally with the Sith involved it would add that warped/sinister vibe.....
Not Mae upfront challenaging Jedi to the death in broad daylight lol
I think it’s supposed to be very clear that she has no real clue what she’s actually doing, she’s not a trained murderer she’s just a young girl who’s out for revenge. The real villain is the mysterious Sith or dark side character and he’s just using Mae to do his bidding by manipulating her into killing Jedi for revenge for her family
The stilted & 'anachronistic' dialogue is my only complaint, though I think many people are overhating due to pre-release expectations. Jedi being current day police, with some mcu-esque lines 'orrrrr we skip all that', and saying things that seem to have read better on paper than as actual dialogue 'attack me with all your strength!' all take away from the suspense imo, but then it doesn't seem to be as interested in suspense as I thought it'd be, since the core mystery is no longer who's doing the murders or why, but what the sith's name is and what the jedi did on the twins' homeworld.
Speaking of perspectives, I want to add that it's also interesting to kind of see it from the Jedi's point of view of what a weapon is. Although they process differently, especially the older Jedi have very similar thoughts to the sith after all, they were born from the same common ancestor. Same way that especially inexperienced sith see power as direct tangible things. I think there could be said that you have this combination with the Jedi that one has. Obi-Wan says he explains that the Jedi lightsaber is his life, which is not completely true and is something that Luke ended up properly disproving both at the end of return of the Jedi as well as re-rectified in the last Jedi. The life of a Jedi should be the force, but I think we're seeing what Obi-Wan saying starting to begin here. The Jedi while only using their lightsaber as a last resort, see the lightsaber as the actual symbol of their rule piece. Essentially through a weapon, something that causes harm and destruction. It's a great symbolism. You combine that with? I'm pretty sure that after the sith Wars they had so many years of Peace that they just got used to being the top dogs in the Galaxy, especially among four seasons. You see this at the council of force users which fascinatingly we don't ever see in the prequel era anymore. Probably because the Jedi abolished it or refrained from attending afterwards. And that I think this basically gave the beginning of the ego that would be directly exploited by the sith ending with palpatine. When the Jedi think of things that could destroy them, they're thinking of lightsabers and super weapons. And the funny thing is what ends up doing them in the end is their own ego clouding their own natural instincts as well as general politics, social interaction with others that they very much lack starting in the acolyte and full ahead in the prequels. I think this also exemplifies what Luke's mistake was he tried to bring an old order back that was broken and he did the truly horrific thing of keeping the whole order. Basically kind of like his own secret cult which super backfired on him just like it did his predecessors, which is why even though he learned it really late. Yoda is the one that corrects him on that and I actually do think by the way and that's why it's more important that Luke's final interaction with a force dose being alive has was with Yoda then Obi-Wan. I've always seen Obi-Wan as like the symbol off the fall of the Jedi. Don't get me wrong. I love the character and I love both actors that played him but he displays such insane arrogance and confidence, particularly in the prequels. He still even after training with Qui-Gon stuck in his principles and again revers the weapon of the Jedi more than the connection to the force which reflects his training on being a general literally to the point where I've always theorized that and I wish they would touch up on this that when Obi-Wan killed Mall he did it using the dark side of the horse. So I think it's really important that Yoda who actually had to look and rectify his own ways was the one who talked to Luke and basically told him look. You've repeated the same mistake in the past. We told you to pass down what you learned, not resurrect the old order. Stop being nostalgic and start being progressive.
Dude, nice shirt! I got myself a similar one from the same company and the bomber jacket! Absolutely love them.
I need to ask - where’d you get that shirt? I’m a sucker for button downs with cool designs on them
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As usual, interesting and positive video! It even made me think of something I watched in another channel about making Jedi see as inept and corrupt, they are at their top, and I began to think that maybe is kind of boring when you are at the top and no one around is at your height, I'm beginning to think also that saying that Sith were not seen for a thousand years is a mistake, you are making Jedi being great when no one is around to opose them.. that's why you have to make conflict as you can to make something interesting.. maybe I'm crazy, keep rocking and stay safe ..
How did I just find your channel I’m obsessed
WOOOO!! been waiting for this series!
The second ep rlly hooked me too!
This isn’t fair. It’s not the Sith Way.
I think her mission is also to help prove that the Jedi aren’t as strong as people believe which further harms their reputation. After all, if someone could show up and kill a Jedi without a weapon, it shows that there’s others out there more “powerful” than the Jedi.
Sol having a big dark secret would be such a good twist and honestly I think it’d make him an even better character
Mae keeps reaching for the Jedi's lightsabers too, so perhaps without a weapon has a different meaning to her
The dark side masters short monologue at the end of episode one was the hook for me for the series. Although it is a bit funny that he ignites a lightsaber while talking about killing without a weapon ;)
I think both the girls, Mae and Osha have been told a lie about what happened. Perhaps they both are used for a narrative from which they together set themselves free off. They both thought the other one was dead.
Thanks, Alex! 🌑
Gotta say, Torban willingly drinking that poison hooked me in as well. And i definitely see similarities to Andor in this series as a result of that. The first episode started out kinda slow, but the 2nd episode got things rolling to the point that you're hooked in to the plot. I do hope Sol doesn't die, as he seems like he actually wants to atone for his past. But even if he survives, how we as the audience see him may not survive untarnished by the end
he maybe suspended from The Jedi Order we have yet to see that on screen
I think the Jedi who were there when Osha was rescued realised that her and her sister were a dyad in the Force, Osha being the light side of it and Mae the dark side (maybe we'll discover later that is the opposite or that both are dark sided?) They may have encountered a situation where they should had to chose which one to save and they've chosen to save Osha and left Mae for dead thinking that was the right thing to do for everyone. It is of course not the right thing but we have seen how they grew arrogant believing to be the ones who must make the decisions for "the greater good".
Edit: I just see a picture of mother Aniseya and the marking she has in her forehead has 2 dots resembling the Ying and Yang symbol. It seems to reinforce the idea of a Force dyad, complementary opposites.
I feel she doesn't really want to kill a jedi without weapon. She want to create a red lightsaber instead. She seems to want to catch the lightsaber of her target each time. Maybe does she want to take that lightsaber and use it to make that saber bleed by killing its master ?
That would explain why she seemed interested in grabbing the lightsaber during the fight, then choose to leave it when her target is already dead
I'm really excited to see where The Acolyte goes from here.
Another Awesome Vid!
Its an ideology, you kill a jedi by destroying their ideology, their reputation, their dream. Its not literal as people think. Its to damage the jedi as a whole where people no longer believe in them.
It doesn’t mean much, it’s just an initiation. She wants to step up and be stronger. To do that she needs to bleed a kyber crystal
I originally thought killing a jedi without a weapon = turning them to the dark side
Destroying their fantasy and beliefs is like killing their identity of a jedi
"kill the dream" that line goes hard hehe
They didn't lose their luster, it was taken from them through lies and deception
The "leader" is trying to make a Jedi turn to the dark side--my speculation. Turning a jedi to the dark side is the only real death a light side jedi can have.
Clever analysis. Is Force lightning a weapon? Is your fist a weapon? Is Force lightning an extension of your first through the Force?
I thought some of them were getting too close to the truth that the sith were alive so they killed them off while making their deaths look like an accident
Where did you get your shirt?
When do you plan on reviewing Star Wars Hunters?
Also just the sign of that Indara is a Jedi Master and very strong but all the patrons in the bar started fighting for her even though she knew she could handle herself. People right now love Jedi
I thought it was tied to how Vader got his lightsaber. He killed a Jedi without a weapon then took their lightsaber and bled the kyber crystal to make his own. I think Mae is trying to get a lightsaber. That's why she keeps reaching for everyone's. And also it's easier to kill them when they're disarmed.
I'm suprised that someone is trying to find reason on very bad written dialogues like this one, like it was supposed to mean something other than just filling a spot... It just means it was bad written, nothing else, you're welcome.
This take aged like wine
I am once again so glad I read the Revenge of the Sith novelization by Matthew Stover. The whole thing with the perfect Jedi trap that is the Clone Wars... This feels like were that idea begins
Killing ones reputation is a way to break to the Order also it will lead the Jedi Order being more Dogmatic a very Thrawn like move.
I think Mae will get her first lightsaber when she actually kills a Jedi without getting spotted and then she’ll corrupt it and become a dark sider.
I like the idea that “Killing a Jedi without a weapon” means turning them to the dark side (as seen on a post by u/nosayso on Reddit ) . I don’t know if I’m the only one, but I feel like Yord might be that Jedi. I don’t trust Yord, it feels like he keeps doing things that have been either turned down or just brushed off, even though he’s following the Jedi code strictly from what I’m seeing. This undermining is a classic way of turning someone bad, and even thought this show has been amazing throughout, it’s not like it doesn’t have a lot of cliches. I can already see a scene, where Yord is across from Sol or some other, and Sol says something about how _____ isn’t the Jedi way. Yord would yell at him to not talk to him about the Jedi way, go on a rant about how he’s been following the Jedi way, and all that has happened is being undermined. This would slowly bleed the crystal, turning it red. I don’t know if they’d do it as he’s holding it out, or he de-constructs the saber and bleeds it as he yells, but that’s my prediction
Spot on as per usual alex
But didn’t Sol also tell Osha to trust Mae? I think there’s something being swept under the rug, but I don’t think it’s quite as cut and dried. I’m sure there are plenty of twists and turns to come. I’m enjoying the show but the trolls are really, really wearing on me...
I think kill the Jedi is more metaphorical in the sense that he wants to discredit the Jedi. I don’t think Mae completely understands what he is telling her.
That is why she will fail.
How do you kill the dream... By uncovering the truth. Only having seen these two episodes so far I think even that idea of "kill without a weapon" had two faces to it (similar to the two titles, the two sisters and even the two stories running in tandem). In Mara's POV "kill without a weapon" sounds like a physical test of power, with parallels drawn between what those who've read the Vader comics know about taking a jedis light sabre and bleeding it to forge a siths. So we immediately (if we Iknkw about it), jump to that - with may/mae trying to go for the different light sabres during her fights.
Yet, I think this in itself is a false lead as it is the revelation of the truth that happened on Mae and oshas home which is the real "killing without a weapon". In this case, Mae/may herself probably isn't even (really) a deciple of the dark side, but is instead a tool to Coax out the truth and let others figure out the truth. After all, she's not subtle and sly (working in the shadows), she openly declared her intentions before starting a fight and makes a scene (witnesses, caught on local jedi temple security... Not exactly as subtle as a sith). However, it's the words that her "partner" the poisoner says to Osha which cinch this idea "you look just like her"... From his Talk with Mae about killing without a weapon we get the idea that he's more than what he claims to be, or what may thinks he is, but the fact that he's able to identify Osha - the sister who may thinks is dead, cements the idea (to me) that the plan involves brining these two sisters back together, not because they are protganistic forces moving the plot, but because they are pieces on a puzzle board which when lined up together with the targeted/dead jedi masters will make "the political enemies" of the jedi wonder "what happened on that world? Why did you claim that there was a fire. Why did the jedi not mention Osha's sister in the records after? Why did one jedi master undertake the barash vow after the mission? Why did another leave? Why did another jedi master take a local positing on a far-off world? Why? Why? Why?" - the weapon is the truth, and to paraphrase Darth sidious when describing dooku to Vader "Mae is a proton torpedo, once her goal is accomplished she is no longer needed". I mean, while we can see that she has killed two jedi masters, she is outclassed completely... A stark contrast to what we'd see a century later during the clone wars with Asajj Ventress and even General Grievous - a sith assassin and cyborg enforcer skilled enough to confront and kill multiple jedi from padawans to masters. Whatever this truth is, it must be able to send shockwaves that the jedi recall members to the main temple on courasant and abandon their local ones - taking the jedi away from the eyes of the rest of the galaxy and thereby turning them from "real people" who wander the streets and frequent bars to mythical figures and fairies tales who are only ever seen by the political elite. After all, the clone wars were called "the clone wars" not "the jedi and clone wars" as folk around the gaxy would see clone troopers in white armour saving their defenceless worlds more than a light sabre weilding jedi.
To me, it as simple as metal sharpens metal. Roko Hardeen and Cad Bane's conversation made the same point.
You don't become more powerful than the jedi by sharpshooting one.
Basically, if you take the easy way, you will never be powerful enough to be 'worthy' of the name sith.
The taunting element is there as well. We are so powerful, we don't need weapons to kill jedi.
And like all of yoda's lightsaber duels with the sith, at a certain point weapons are pointless, and it is just a battle in the force.
I'm not currently subscribed to D+ and have been leaning towards giving yet another SW series a pass. But your take on this series has me reconsidering my stance. There's a disturbance in the Force, I feel it and I can't turn away.
Good thoughts. I wounder when Yoda is coming in to the plot because he is after all the Grand Master and by now must know what is happening.
You can't spoil something that's already rotten 🤷🏽♂️ mighty convenient how a 3 inch dagger to the center of the chest can kill you but literal lightsabers that burn thousands of degrees inside your belly with all your organs you survive from. As a kid and adult in Kenobi and as an adult in Ashoka 💀
Darth Maul?
@@samuelwallace2782 Darth maul survived off of pure hatred and magik
@@deeziegaming8545 Did you say that with a straight face? 🤣🤣And, yes, I know that's the canon answer.
After watching the finale, it means force choking.
It means nothing. It was meaningless, like most of the show.
I like this damage the top jedi's reputation one by one before going for the larger scale. Kind of like how in Star Trek we always see Starfleet officers debit the Prime Directive. Even then in Star Trek the Prime Directive issue has gotten so debatable that we've seen not one but two accounts of them having their own version of Order 66.
"The future of the Sith no longer hinges on physical prowess but on political cunning. The new Sith will rule less by brute force than by means of instilling fear.”
-Darth Plagueis
and The High Republic takes place after the Sith Wars of The Old Republic makes sense the Sith would no longer try a brute force approach then resort to tactical one.
Personally I think Osha will eventually become a Jedi and Mae will become a Sith Master. Light and darkness between twins.
I don't think the Jedi are lying when they say Mae started a fire on Brendok that burned down their village. What I do think is that there is a lie of omission on HOW and WHY Mae started that fire.
Was't it after Mae killed Indura that we saw her master light up a light saber? Could Mae have taken Indira's light saber for her master and we just didn't see it on screen that she (Mae) took Indira's light saber? Maybe Mae's master is sending her after the Jedi to get their light sabers for his own needs. What you think...?
we would have seen her picking it up. its implied its a quest for Mae. also...i dont think a kyber crystal can be bleed that fast (third add, it wouldnt go against siths phylosohy AND morals,akin to the "darksaber rules")
I seem to remember Vader having to kill a jedi without a weapon in order to get his first Sith lightsaber in the comics? I could be remembering that wrong, but this could be part of her Sith trials.
Maybe Mae's master is expecting her to use/discover Force Choke or Force Lightning by her own?
Since the plan to destroy the Jedi’s reputation existed with Plagueis it makes sense it could go farther. Palpatine should only really get credit for not F’n it up.
Si well explained., thank you 👍
Leave it to the fans to fill in huge story gaps which is why the series is viewed so negatively. The hypocritical statements the characters make during the show doesn't help theories, it just reinforces the reality of poor story writing. The show needs a rehaul, preferably from people who know how to direct proper dialogue instead of the current agenda Disney is promoting.
I don’t get why he says steel and laser, what happened to blasters shooting plasma not light? I thought lasers where mostly used for point defense on ships is this some sort of new canon thing?
It's a metaphor.
Listing off every possible murder weapon would distract from the point.
Fantastic video and thoughts
It’s so refreshing to hear excitement for this show. I like Jeremy Jahns, but I’m so over the “Disney killed Star Wars” mentality. This show actually reminds me a lot of KOTOR so far.
And now?
The mysterious darksider could have started the fire and made the jedi believe that it was mae.
Or maybe he was trying to frame the jedi for the fire.
Atton Rand would like to know your location...
Or force choke.
To add to the "killing without a weapon", I've noticed that Mae keeps trying to grab the lightsaber of each Jedi she has fought so far... Why would she be going for the lightsaber if she's supposed to be killing without a weapon? Is she just planning on grabbing it & throwing it away?
Trying to get them to grab their weapons early, to push them against their code and show that they may be quicker to using it than they are supposed to
@@TrentGgrims Ohhh, okay!! Thank you for the explanation!
I am not sure how I like what the Jedi of this era is portrayed like and why theyre enemies claims they "only draw theyre weapons if theyre is able to kill someone" while we all know Jedi use theyre weapons to attack, not to defend.
I feel it like are watching the story from someones perspective and that this perspective can change how we see these episodes later on. J.
I believe Torbin offed himself because her forgiveness meant more to him than his life.
Unfortunately, like so many fan theories, the truth was dumber than anything we could come up with. He literally meant she had to kill a jedi without a weapon for... reasons.
Probably the same way Anakin blew up the Deathstar.......
Maybe it refers to breaking them mentally, rather than kill them in a fight.
It's a metaphotpr for destroying the ideology of the jedi order killing 1 pr 2 jedi won't make a difference. The clone wars achieved the destruction of the ideology of the order
The Jedi’s biggest weakness: their arrogance.
Well I also believe that Sol will be the final / primary target. As for what happened on the planet Witch.
I reckon the story is going to be something along the lines of : Jedi have started becoming too dogmatic and 'letter not spirit' of what Jedi are supposed to be (not sure how much I believe I mean Yoda was alive and a Jedi at this time right?
Anyways I think what happens is the 4 Jedi Indara, Tobin, Wookie and Sol get sent to the Witch Planet on a Force Sensitive finding mission - which they do with both the witches and Osha and Mae. Osha wants to become a Jedi and Mae doesn't. However when the Jedi meet the Witches they say something like 'Hey we're looking for force sensitives you have to by republic decree XY23 allow us to test everyone under 5 or ? age. They say No thanks go touch grass we don't believe in the Jedi and aren't members of the republic. The Jedi reply hmmmm then see Osha, Sol walks over to her and says hey I sense something want to be a jedi? she says yes her Mother Crone says hell no and Mae screams at her. The Jedi apologise and leave
Osha and Mae get in a fight as Mae feels like Osha has betrayed the family and their beliefs having stated she wants to be a Jedi. They fight Osha runs away to find the Jedi before they leave the planet.
Mae realises this goes but goes and tells the Witches that the Jedi have kidnapped her sister. They arm up and storm the local jedi precinct or starport which starts the fight between the two and the world / town starts burning as the Jedi having called in reinforcements to deal with the malcontent witches fight to allow Osha 'her choice' whilst the Mothers and witches fight due to belief that Osha was kidnapped and due to the differing beliefs of the Jedi / Witches it all burns - the Jedi realise this only after having killed the Witches and decide rather than make the tragic incident known to cover up ... Osha gets trained as she 'wanted' until kicked out because Green lizard lady booted her out due to mistrust in where she comes from.
few years pass Acolyte season 1 starts,
Thanks for the spoiler warning in this video 👍
I think this is/was the most jedi way to kill a jedi.