I really enjoy the discussions on TWIV back and forth about research findings because in the era of slipshod thinking that accompanies a general lack of accountability despite increasing complexity of modern life, it's so encouraging to hear all of you look at research with a cautious eye (you use the scientific method). I am encouraged all is not lost!
It was against the national law to have such animals. This destroyed millions of lives and cost trillions of dollars. None of the smugglers want to take responsibility. After the pandemic, they stopped bringing the banned animals to the market but it was too late.
19:40 First paper starts here 52:16 experimental infectious attenuated COVID-19 vaccine elicits superior mucosal and systemic immunity in hamsters (Thanks, XKDiver) explains how they attenuate the virus
19:40 minutes of my life wasted. Why do they think we're interested in their narcissistic discussion about themselves until the real discussion begins?
@@roncarlin3209 I understand you're frustration. However, I've come to enjoy the provincialism of this panel, their simple and folksy use of language. Obviously, none of them are linguists and I certainly wouldn't expect sparkling repartee. Nevertheless, I enjoy their coffee klatch. Regarding scientific rigor, well that's a separate discussion
The idea that a cardiologist does not know about viruses, or any doctor doesn't know about viruses, is absurd. You think they cannot read? You think they have not the fundamental understanding of diseases not to be able to follow the scientific papers? Most of them could, would and should. The preciousness of academics is embarrassing.
@@christopherrobinson7541 Could you point me to the studies, a study, or an article describing the falsified data that, I assume, McCullough has put out. I'm not finding it. I'm keeping a tally of false claims but I haven't heard this one.
When a novel virus emerges, I turn to a virologist, not a clinician who treats heart disease. If I needed brain surgery, I would not go to an orthopedic surgeon. It’s not their specialty.
@@wonderwatchlisten yes, and then the studies are published and then anyone with a good mind can read them. It is important to bear in mind that this virus or at least the responses to it, were not about science much of the time, but political expediency.
Please give Dixon a break - he comes up with some neat ideas. He has travelled, see these types of wet markets, knows what he,s talking about, demonstrates critical thinking. Ease up on him Vincent!
RCT’s and robust open debate from the start and we wouldn’t be in this position. Politicizing medicine will hurt us for years. I agree, more than the small numbers of doctors talking now needs to change but legal challenges stop that.
Can you imagine FB, Twitter, etc. Removing or flagging all of your shares or reposts involving this channel and telling you you are spreading misinformation and disinformation?
IgA deficiency is probably what made the vaccine unable to stop transmission, because the URT after vaccine still had a high viral load when the virus hit.
The nOPV2 induced reverted polio virus should give us pause on all nasal-pharyngeal attenuated virus research. We should up the priority on mRNA vaccine research administered nasally.
Alan Dove sees new SARS-2 vaccines as paediatric vaccines. What?? Isn,t the risk of serious disease in kids very low. Yet the rarest of vaccine adverse events is pretty catastrophic if your child happens to be that one. We have to look at the virulence of the most recent Omicron VOCs. We need the pathologists to talk to the virologists now. Interdisciplinary discussions really critical. You have thrown a big fault line across my viewing……
26:00 Is it not possible that the Hunan market was one of the most crowded places on earth, next to a railway station, providing the ideal conditions to trigger R0 > 1, and thus the start of the pandemic? Of course that would make everybody think that it's a zoonotic spillover from one of the animals in the market, but surely it's also possible that it's a spillover from a tourist from Seattle (say), who was visting a well-known tourist site?
@@MadameCorgi indeed, viruses that have previously left to humans from species that were present in that market, in other markets, in the case of SARS-1
it is not really near hankou station. 800 metres as the crow flies but seems far longer walking it. i doubt if any casual visitor would go there from the station. Every time i went there it was not that crowded, especially compared to Hankou station itself.
Or perhaps a tourist who happens to also work at Chapel Hill University North Carolina with Prof Ralf Baric who just happened to be in Wuhan at the market buying lunch. Nothing to do with the lab up the road that Fauci & virology community have placed a ring of innocence around.
"The source is not in business". How would they know it was them? There must be maybe a thousand suppliers. Like you said sample the sources. If that initial supplier died then his neighbour would continue supplying the same product. It must be still in that animal population.
Actually a few months before COVID broke out, a worker from the Wuhan lab was caught selling the bats to the wet market instead of destroying them. I discovered it in Jan 2020, it has since been taken down. I should have downloaded it.
An excellent discussion about Sarscov2 and its origins at the Huanan Seafood Market. What became apparent during the discussion is that this type of market can contribute to the spread of the virus, either by serving as the source of the ancestral virus from wild infected animals or by providing an environment where the virus can incubate and amplify. The data presented in this article is insufficient to draw any conclusive scientific findings. It is crucial for scientific conclusions to be based on factual evidence, as differing viewpoints can lead to confusing and unproductive discussions. Nonetheless, it is clear that markets that sell wild animals as delicacies must be discontinued to prevent further transmission of diseases.
@@beckfordritchie6285 wait poor people cant get infected with viruses from a known (like, decades back known) breeding ground for infectious disease where wild animals that are supposed to be protected are also kept illegally and slaughtered for meat, where dozens of different species are stressed with weakened immune systems kept in terrible conditions in close proximity to eachother?? huh. you are right. lets blame the virology lab "almost next door" (i.e on the opposite side of the yangtze river) which theres not a shred of evidence it came from.
@@beckfordritchie6285 unfortunately SARS COVID 1 was also traced to this market years ago. Fortunately that version did not travel as readily and was contained. The problem is that China was to close this animal wet market to prevent future viruses, and obviously they did not.
@@beckfordritchie6285 first, the lab is a 21 km trip from the market. Google maps is your friend, not next door. Bad Viruses are like forest 🔥 and people are the kindling. We try to prevent conflagration through regulations and early detection through monitoring. Good. For the same reasons we need Labs. We also want to stop human conflagrations by finding tests, vaccines, and antivirals that work against the next bad virus. 🙈 Does not work.
Super enthused to see this COVID docu. Hope it will be a definitive reference doc for truth. Promising if/that they want VR as the binder of the overall message. 🤞👍👏🖖🖖
Not a very entertaining show but a great wealth of knowledge from people who are passionate and professional who actually know what the heck they’re talking about.
I have question: for the eminent virologists, what do they think of the recent Swiss Government statement, that Covid 19 vaccinations are NOT recommended for anyone this summer. If any vaccination is to be considered it should be 6 months post infection or previous vaccine. This is in contrast to the USA CDC of only an 8 week gap
I wonder what they think too. I think the risk/benefit analysis has changed in the age of omicron. At this point most ppl don't need additional vaccination for CoVID 19. For some ppl the vaccination is more harmful than the Omicron virus. Regarding the 8 week gap... I think our CDC is just getting lazy. At this point no one needs the two in a row deal.
The viruses only get noticed after several people in an area are infected at the same time. Low levels of infection (low prevalence) tend to go unnoticed, unless picked-up while testing for something else.
@@_c_y_p_3 well let's say a proto virus starts in bats. Bats fly and infected other bats. The the virus might jump to several other types of animals. Then an infected animal gets a pet sick. Another infected animal goes to that wet market. Then another animal infects animals in a lab. You get several strains. Maybe all the mutations are because of that. Something changes and the people get it.
It could make a difference. The DNA and telomere length of inbred populations are different than wild type. And if there is something unexpected that could happen one might not pick it up at all or all the subjects could have the rare issue. If that makes sense. For example 1/4 wild type subjects has X genotype that makes the vaccine harmful in some way. In inbred subjects 0/4 could have the genotype or 4/4 could have it. Inbred subjects are more likely to be homogenous in certain instances. So maybe you won't pick up the rare side effect at all or maybe you will think the vaccine is bad because they all have it.
NYC elder luv👍 ... I give links for TWIV to all my talky friends. Do they glance at em? Nah. Not even the retired nurses. Information vacuum😤 Handsome new video look, sir Vincent.🤗👍
Pertaining to the "rant,"I have a few thoughts. I do not have any trouble understanding your podcast as far as I know, with an uundergrad degree in biology and an interest in pure science that has continued all my life. I am a physician and I work in an emergency department in a small town in Montana. Many people here don't actually have a primary physician. There is a lot of distrust of physicians here. There's a big information vacuum here that is not just surrounding COVID and vaccinations but many other things. The ER is a little bit privileged in people's minds because we just patch them up which they will accept. I do tell other people to listen to your podcast and I find even well- educated people like engineers do not always understand what you are talking about. Hopefully the person who said physicians might be able to help fill the information vacuum thought these physicians might brush up on their facts first although evidence does exist to the contrary. When you decided to elucidate some of your jargon more carefully, I related to why it was hard to let go of the jargon. It's always fun to talk to our own tribe. But lots of people don't even know the difference between viruses and bacteria. The people that I try to get to listen to your podcast do know that much, but there's a lot of things they don't understand. For instance even in the first podcast after the cardiologist asked you to be more clear, I think you made reference to NK cells. Lots of people do not know what a natural killer cell is and even if they know they may not think of it when you say NK. I try to tell people the information from your podcast but there really is a big gulf.
Because there is an elephant (not one chopped up in the market type) in the room. The lab up the road doing the gain of function research funded by the USA & Fauci, that virologists like these ones want to exonerate, is a bit too obvious. With a cleavage site perfectly engineered for humans, apparently.
What about staff at Wuhan institute of virology possibly selling animals to the market? Apparently it's happened elsewhere in China so always a possibility
Thanks guys, another entertaining episode. I tell everyone to watch you, I've learnt so much, and am thankful for your virology 2023 lecture series, Vincent. Good to stretch the brain. :)
@34:00 - wait...we're still blaming raccoon dogs and pangolins instead of acknowledging that SARS-CoV-2 probably originated at the WIV...is this a prank phone call???
So what are the odds of this . 1.raccoon dogs are purported to Probably be the smoking gun because one of the scientist had seen A raccoon dog when he visited back in 2014 at the wet market which just so happen to be one of the few animals that can be infected. 3 years later we are led to believe Chinese scientist had samples from 2020 but just now decided to upload These samples and what do you know one of them just happen to show Dna of raccoon dogs and cov2 dna In the same sample. Unfortunately any analysis needs trustworthy data and unfortunately this is sorely lacking . I still think given the amount of circumstantial data and the composition of the genomic structure Of the virus it probably came from a lab . The sad truth is we will never know because there is too much to Lose if it was the case.
I don't mind misinformation or disinformation so long as it's true misinformation or disinformation. The bigger problem is that there is a lot of false information out there.
@@roncarlin3209 Information that causes harms to the Big Pharma bonus boys and girls? The Big Pharma stock price? The same information that caused me not to lose time to either Covid or vaxx injury and remain healthy?
Considering the possibility that the origin was human, then maybe the preponderance of positives from the animal west zone is not surprising, because we would have been measuring reverse zoonotic spillover from humans to animals.
Thank you! I read the Defuse Proposal back in late 2019. The unredacted version that was out there before - well - censorship and all. They bragged about their super sticky spike that loved the ACE2 receptor in the human lung which they attached... in a lab... to a bat coronavirus. I have no respect for "experts" that refuse to read pertinent official documents!
Hello, You give very good information, but to combat the misinformation storm you need to be present in other social media plataforms with simple information normal people can understand. Please try, misinformation is winning.
So much time-wasting in these podcasts droning on and about the weather and other boring drivel. It's really tedious having to suffer so much drivel before you get to the actual science.
Interesting views. It's interesting how little you knew in the beginning to how confident you are now. Nice to see you apotheosing a bit now you are allowed without worrying about getting in trouble. I would like to see you be a little more open-minded without sticking to the fringe view. I don't see why you scoff on the frozen food or other ideas. could be nonsense, but how do you know ??
Is the TWIV team psychologically priming us for the next mass hysteria, by exaggerating the temperatures in their areas? I have no other explanation for why they waste so much of the podcast on the local weather. Very boring.
Generally I have a timestamp comment and the first one gets you past the weather. By all means, feel free to click on the timestamp of you choice. 15 years ago they did the weather, too. So after you cure global warming, they still will start with weather. However, you can start listening after that.
Get a grip. it's just making tham a bit like the ordinary person who tunes in a lot of us are not virologist and are just interested in lasting, so nice to start light😮
The seafood market had nothing to do with it.
I really enjoy the discussions on TWIV back and forth about research findings because in the era of slipshod thinking that accompanies a general lack of accountability despite increasing complexity of modern life, it's so encouraging to hear all of you look at research with a cautious eye (you use the scientific method). I am encouraged all is not lost!
My world collide…I’m a weather nerd, science nerd and I used to work in film & video. I’m loving it all 👍🏽
Why do you think if animals in the market was the source have other live animals not been found with the virus?
Right at the origin, species that have previously put SARS 1 into humans as well?
It was against the national law to have such animals. This destroyed millions of lives and cost trillions of dollars. None of the smugglers want to take responsibility. After the pandemic, they stopped bringing the banned animals to the market but it was too late.
19:40 First paper starts here
52:16 experimental infectious attenuated COVID-19 vaccine
elicits superior mucosal and systemic immunity in hamsters
(Thanks, XKDiver)
explains how they attenuate the virus
19:40 minutes of my life wasted. Why do they think we're interested in their narcissistic discussion about themselves until the real discussion begins?
Just skip over it. That is why there are time stamps.Some people enjoy this. .
@@roncarlin3209 I understand you're frustration. However, I've come to enjoy the provincialism of this panel, their simple and folksy use of language. Obviously, none of them are linguists and I certainly wouldn't expect sparkling repartee.
Nevertheless, I enjoy their coffee klatch.
Regarding scientific rigor, well that's a separate discussion
@@roncarlin3209 Did you click on the timestamp? Problem solved. You are very welcome.
You are expressing a reasonable viewpoint.
@@t.c.s.7724 Some people get great comfort from coffee klatsches. The rest of us with a life just don't have the time.
00:00 Intro-chat
20:00 China Xiv article :: Surveillance of SARS-CoV-2 at the Huanan Seafood Market
The idea that a cardiologist does not know about viruses, or any doctor doesn't know about viruses, is absurd. You think they cannot read? You think they have not the fundamental understanding of diseases not to be able to follow the scientific papers? Most of them could, would and should. The preciousness of academics is embarrassing.
A particular cardiologist has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of understanding though
@@personzorz And in addition has falsified data in studies, and is banned from practicing in the UK.
@@christopherrobinson7541 Could you point me to the studies, a study, or an article describing the falsified data that, I assume, McCullough has put out. I'm not finding it. I'm keeping a tally of false claims but I haven't heard this one.
When a novel virus emerges, I turn to a virologist, not a clinician who treats heart disease. If I needed brain surgery, I would not go to an orthopedic surgeon. It’s not their specialty.
@@wonderwatchlisten yes, and then the studies are published and then anyone with a good mind can read them. It is important to bear in mind that this virus or at least the responses to it, were not about science much of the time, but political expediency.
Please give Dixon a break - he comes up with some neat ideas. He has travelled, see these types of wet markets, knows what he,s talking about, demonstrates critical thinking. Ease up on him Vincent!
RCT’s and robust open debate from the start and we wouldn’t be in this position. Politicizing medicine will hurt us for years. I agree, more than the small numbers of doctors talking now needs to change but legal challenges stop that.
I do my tiny part by sharing all the TWix episodes to my FB page.
I have just done so
Can you imagine FB, Twitter, etc. Removing or flagging all of your shares or reposts involving this channel and telling you you are spreading misinformation and disinformation?
@@sidneylanez9067 100% yes.
Can you do an episode on symptomatic IgA deficiency?
IgA deficiency is probably what made the vaccine unable to stop transmission, because the URT after vaccine still had a high viral load when the virus hit.
@@roncarlin3209 What is URT? Also - I wanted them to do an episode on the general topic of IgA deficiency not specific to COVID 19
@@dinapolishuk1716 Upper respiratory tract (URT).
The nOPV2 induced reverted polio virus should give us pause on all nasal-pharyngeal attenuated virus research. We should up the priority on mRNA vaccine research administered nasally.
A nasalvaccine requires more study after our experience with the polio 2 vaccine.
It looks to me like a drastic improvement over previous oral polio formulations
Alan Dove sees new SARS-2 vaccines as paediatric vaccines. What?? Isn,t the risk of serious disease in kids very low. Yet the rarest of vaccine adverse events is pretty catastrophic if your child happens to be that one. We have to look at the virulence of the most recent Omicron VOCs. We need the pathologists to talk to the virologists now. Interdisciplinary discussions really critical. You have thrown a big fault line across my viewing……
So good to get your views knowing your expertise vs journalists and their non-expertise.
Will TWiV1k be a live or will it be available on RUclips after the event?
A few days after the event.
26:00 Is it not possible that the Hunan market was one of the most crowded places on earth, next to a railway station, providing the ideal conditions to trigger R0 > 1, and thus the start of the pandemic? Of course that would make everybody think that it's a zoonotic spillover from one of the animals in the market, but surely it's also possible that it's a spillover from a tourist from Seattle (say), who was visting a well-known tourist site?
How did the tourist for Seattle get a virus related to other viruses isolated from East Asian animals?
Not really
@@MadameCorgi indeed, viruses that have previously left to humans from species that were present in that market, in other markets, in the case of SARS-1
it is not really near hankou station. 800 metres as the crow flies but seems far longer walking it. i doubt if any casual visitor would go there from the station. Every time i went there it was not that crowded, especially compared to Hankou station itself.
Or perhaps a tourist who happens to also work at Chapel Hill University North Carolina with Prof Ralf Baric who just happened to be in Wuhan at the market buying lunch. Nothing to do with the lab up the road that Fauci & virology community have placed a ring of innocence around.
I have cut on my finger and i wash my hand in a bucket in which dog is also drinking water is there any risk of rabies sir plss reply me
"The source is not in business". How would they know it was them? There must be maybe a thousand suppliers.
Like you said sample the sources. If that initial supplier died then his neighbour would continue supplying the same product. It must be still in that animal population.
But they can’t find the animal. Hmmmm
Exactly. How would some rural peasant know they are transporting Cov 2. WTF are they speculating about such nonsense?
What about the idea a lab sells its animals to the wet market, on the side, for a little extra cash? (A recent idea being tossed around.)
Actually a few months before COVID broke out, a worker from the Wuhan lab was caught selling the bats to the wet market instead of destroying them. I discovered it in Jan 2020, it has since been taken down. I should have downloaded it.
Love the group chats,all great and interesting info for us ordanery people😊
An excellent discussion about Sarscov2 and its origins at the Huanan Seafood Market. What became apparent during the discussion is that this type of market can contribute to the spread of the virus, either by serving as the source of the ancestral virus from wild infected animals or by providing an environment where the virus can incubate and amplify. The data presented in this article is insufficient to draw any conclusive scientific findings. It is crucial for scientific conclusions to be based on factual evidence, as differing viewpoints can lead to confusing and unproductive discussions. Nonetheless, it is clear that markets that sell wild animals as delicacies must be discontinued to prevent further transmission of diseases.
We have all seen enough of banning and restrictions on the public and poor. Far better to stop the virology lab almost next door, I'd have thought.
@@beckfordritchie6285 wait poor people cant get infected with viruses from a known (like, decades back known) breeding ground for infectious disease where wild animals that are supposed to be protected are also kept illegally and slaughtered for meat, where dozens of different species are stressed with weakened immune systems kept in terrible conditions in close proximity to eachother?? huh. you are right. lets blame the virology lab "almost next door" (i.e on the opposite side of the yangtze river) which theres not a shred of evidence it came from.
@@beckfordritchie6285 unfortunately SARS COVID 1 was also traced to this market years ago. Fortunately that version did not travel as readily and was contained. The problem is that China was to close this animal wet market to prevent future viruses, and obviously they did not.
Yes. China promised to do that after SARS1 in 2003 spillover in a big Chinese city live wild animal market.
@@beckfordritchie6285 first, the lab is a 21 km trip from the market. Google maps is your friend, not next door.
Bad Viruses are like forest 🔥 and people are the kindling. We try to prevent conflagration through regulations and early detection through monitoring. Good. For the same reasons we need Labs. We also want to stop human conflagrations by finding tests, vaccines, and antivirals that work against the next bad virus. 🙈 Does not work.
Super enthused to see this COVID docu. Hope it will be a definitive reference doc for truth. Promising if/that they want VR as the binder of the overall message. 🤞👍👏🖖🖖
Dixon made some very interesting points.
Not a very entertaining show but a great wealth of knowledge from people who are passionate and professional who actually know what the heck they’re talking about.
I have question: for the eminent virologists, what do they think of the recent Swiss Government statement, that Covid 19 vaccinations are NOT recommended for anyone this summer. If any vaccination is to be considered it should be 6 months post infection or previous vaccine. This is in contrast to the USA CDC of only an 8 week gap
I wonder what they think too. I think the risk/benefit analysis has changed in the age of omicron. At this point most ppl don't need additional vaccination for CoVID 19. For some ppl the vaccination is more harmful than the Omicron virus. Regarding the 8 week gap... I think our CDC is just getting lazy. At this point no one needs the two in a row deal.
Why Luc Montagnier say what he say in 2020?
Because he had dementia?
@@eddiehartsfield9012 realy?
Hello Dixon . I really like all the team but you’re my favourite. Thank you all for enhancing my life.
The link to the show notes doesn't work.
It is there now.
@@gferraro8353 I haven't done the full timestamps, only where the first paper discussion starts.
1:21:11 if they are adult hamsters they wouldn't be playing together, very territorial
I think that virus percolates for a while sars, mers, sars 2. I even think the virus might pop up in several places at once.
Like mushrooms in a forest.
Maybe it is naive for me to say. They certainly do pop up in several places at once after they break out of wherever they originated.
The viruses only get noticed after several people in an area are infected at the same time. Low levels of infection (low prevalence) tend to go unnoticed, unless picked-up while testing for something else.
@@_c_y_p_3 well let's say a proto virus starts in bats. Bats fly and infected other bats. The the virus might jump to several other types of animals. Then an infected animal gets a pet sick. Another infected animal goes to that wet market. Then another animal infects animals in a lab. You get several strains. Maybe all the mutations are because of that. Something changes and the people get it.
The hamster question regarding breeding seems important. If they are inbred, does that make a significant difference to test results?
It could make a difference. The DNA and telomere length of inbred populations are different than wild type. And if there is something unexpected that could happen one might not pick it up at all or all the subjects could have the rare issue. If that makes sense. For example 1/4 wild type subjects has X genotype that makes the vaccine harmful in some way. In inbred subjects 0/4 could have the genotype or 4/4 could have it. Inbred subjects are more likely to be homogenous in certain instances. So maybe you won't pick up the rare side effect at all or maybe you will think the vaccine is bad because they all have it.
NYC elder luv👍 ... I give links for TWIV to all my talky friends. Do they glance at em? Nah. Not even the retired nurses. Information vacuum😤
Handsome new video look, sir Vincent.🤗👍
Pertaining to the "rant,"I have a few thoughts. I do not have any trouble understanding your podcast as far as I know, with an uundergrad degree in biology and an interest in pure science that has continued all my life. I am a physician and I work in an emergency department in a small town in Montana. Many people here don't actually have a primary physician. There is a lot of distrust of physicians here. There's a big information vacuum here that is not just surrounding COVID and vaccinations but many other things. The ER is a little bit privileged in people's minds because we just patch them up which they will accept. I do tell other people to listen to your podcast and I find even well- educated people like engineers do not always understand what you are talking about. Hopefully the person who said physicians might be able to help fill the information vacuum thought these physicians might brush up on their facts first although evidence does exist to the contrary. When you decided to elucidate some of your jargon more carefully, I related to why it was hard to let go of the jargon. It's always fun to talk to our own tribe. But lots of people don't even know the difference between viruses and bacteria. The people that I try to get to listen to your podcast do know that much, but there's a lot of things they don't understand. For instance even in the first podcast after the cardiologist asked you to be more clear, I think you made reference to NK cells. Lots of people do not know what a natural killer cell is and even if they know they may not think of it when you say NK. I try to tell people the information from your podcast but there really is a big gulf.
This source of information is compromised.
Wet markets have been around forever why an outbreak in 2019 and not earlier
How do you know there haven't been other outbreaks before?
Because there is an elephant (not one chopped up in the market type) in the room. The lab up the road doing the gain of function research funded by the USA & Fauci, that virologists like these ones want to exonerate, is a bit too obvious. With a cleavage site perfectly engineered for humans, apparently.
@@MadameCorgi Hi, have there been outbreaks causing a worldwide pandemic ?
SARS-1 is calling
There have,been earlier outbreaks. Zoonautic viruses have crossed in farms, animal stables (camels) & wet markets.
I love all your content but the music at the beginning and end scares me. It’s very loud and alarming
Alan's story of information early on in the show was so absolutely right on. Thanks.
2:39 - I see what you did there, Alan
More banter!
At 999 I am getting Grover (Sesame Street) monster at the end of this book vibe with your impending 1000🎉😂
What about staff at Wuhan institute of virology possibly selling animals to the market? Apparently it's happened elsewhere in China so always a possibility
Everybody got a haircut except me.
your talking about Jan 2020, what about the people that became infected during Sept and Oct 2019
What happened to TWiV 1000? Please don't keep us in suspense any longer.
I echo Dickson's hesitation.
This is exciting.
Just one more!!!!!
Always informative
Thanks guys, another entertaining episode. I tell everyone to watch you, I've learnt so much, and am thankful for your virology 2023 lecture series, Vincent. Good to stretch the brain. :)
@34:00 - wait...we're still blaming raccoon dogs and pangolins instead of acknowledging that SARS-CoV-2 probably originated at the WIV...is this a prank phone call???
No, this is an evidence and science based program. It requires critical thinking and knowledge.
So what are the odds of this .
1.raccoon dogs are purported to
Probably be the smoking gun because one of the scientist had seen
A raccoon dog when he visited back in 2014 at the wet market which just so happen to be one of the few animals that can be infected.
3 years later we are led to believe
Chinese scientist had samples from 2020 but just now decided to upload
These samples and what do you know one of them just happen to show Dna of raccoon dogs and
cov2 dna In the same sample.
Unfortunately any analysis needs trustworthy data and unfortunately this is sorely lacking . I still think given the amount of circumstantial data and the composition of the genomic structure
Of the virus it probably came from a lab . The sad truth is we will never know because there is too much to
Lose if it was the case.
I don't mind misinformation or disinformation so long as it's true misinformation or disinformation. The bigger problem is that there is a lot of false information out there.
What are your thoughts on malinformation? That is true information that causes harm. Should that be censored?
@@roncarlin3209 Information that causes harms to the Big Pharma bonus boys and girls? The Big Pharma stock price?
The same information that caused me not to lose time to either Covid or vaxx injury and remain healthy?
@@roncarlin3209 I doubt there is such a thing as true information that doesn't cause harm.
@@johngorentz6409 Good point.
@@johngorentz6409 this comment is insane. The truth always helps, even if it hurts abit at the beginning
Considering the possibility that the origin was human, then maybe the preponderance of positives from the animal west zone is not surprising, because we would have been measuring reverse zoonotic spillover from humans to animals.
Rather than just where the humans were
Dickson.. My chem lecturers did that in 1975
Same chance as "lab leak" meaning none? You guys lost me there. "Racoon dogs"? LOL Show me the genetic data.
Raccoon dogs are a carnivore native to China. There is genetic data. Read the paper.
Thank you! I read the Defuse Proposal back in late 2019. The unredacted version that was out there before - well - censorship and all. They bragged about their super sticky spike that loved the ACE2 receptor in the human lung which they attached... in a lab... to a bat coronavirus. I have no respect for "experts" that refuse to read pertinent official documents!
i wonder if the man complaining about information vaccum also knows about the corona project also advertised by Twiv/
Lots of love from Denver!
Dickson, I'm crestfallen: My bet was on the Mrs. Paul's Fishsticks.
Hello,
You give very good information, but to combat the misinformation storm you need to be present in other social media plataforms with simple information normal people can understand.
Please try, misinformation is winning.
Number nine, number nine, number nine...
So much time-wasting in these podcasts droning on and about the weather and other boring drivel.
It's really tedious having to suffer so much drivel before you get to the actual science.
Sample collection appalling
I not only post your videos, I post the papers and pics (when they’re open access)
Vincent stop saying "codon de-optimisation". It's "codon PAIR de-optimisation".
Interesting views. It's interesting how little you knew in the beginning to how confident you are now. Nice to see you apotheosing a bit now you are allowed without worrying about getting in trouble. I would like to see you be a little more open-minded without sticking to the fringe view. I don't see why you scoff on the frozen food or other ideas. could be nonsense, but how do you know ??
What about naturel. Impunity. Inprint. Of. Vaccine. On one. Who. Is. Immune. To covid
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Not going to listen to two hours of this.
I haven't had the patience to get past the inane chatter to listen to the main subject matter - get on with it - please.
Is the TWIV team psychologically priming us for the next mass hysteria, by exaggerating the temperatures in their areas? I have no other explanation for why they waste so much of the podcast on the local weather. Very boring.
Generally I have a timestamp comment and the first one gets you past the weather. By all means, feel free to click on the timestamp of you choice.
15 years ago they did the weather, too. So after you cure global warming, they still will start with weather. However, you can start listening after that.
@@lesfaby8997 Thank-you, you provide a great service. My sympathies that you have to suffer through the weather forecast.
@@jedadruled984 Would you call Mohsan Saeed's work "gain of function"?
@@jedadruled984 The climate change crisis will be solved when Top G vanquishes Greta, the wicked witch of the north.
Get a grip. it's just making tham a bit like the ordinary person who tunes in a lot of us are not virologist and are just interested in lasting, so nice to start light😮
They come from china right ? China makes everything. Thank you for the tvs and modified bugs .