Meanwhile in 1400s Europe: Joe Scott as an English noblemen herald announcing skeptical peasants about the apparently insane future of exploring the ocean
It wasn't considered insane back then. They just knew the limits of what they could carry supply wise and how that limited how far they could go. The reason Isabella backed Columbus wasn't because of any nonsense about the earth being flat, it was because she didn't understand her advisors demonstrations of why the earth was bigger than he said(they had it right to within a couple kilometers), and that he'd run out of food halfway to China. Columbus was running out of food when they hit the Caribbean.
I feel that those lava tubes will be the answer. They will still be a bit dangerous because of moon quakes but proper placement and bracing can help. Underground solves a lot of problems.
@@JoshDoingLinux I´m rather sure those experiments have been done, if not officially. Cant imagine the last crew of Mir did not have some primo vodka to celebrate end of last shift.
I remember the first time I saw the Artemis's SLS launch (which was like 5 minutes ago), I was amazed by how it lit up the whole eastern sky. Oddly enough I couldn't hear it, usually I can hear big rockets from where I live.
Hi Joe. It's T+7 minutes as I type this and thought I'd come here and congratulate you and everyone on the planet. Thank you for being part of this in explanation and clarity on what it means. Cheers mate. Rock on!
Me too!! My main worry is accidents. We've had 7 deadly catastrophes since the inception of the space program. Nothing puts a stop to funding like death. Unfortunately, space travel is dangerous. If we lose a crew, at any time, for any reason, that will instantly set back, or even potentially end the Artemis program. So, will NASA and private companies be able to avoid the pitfalls (GREED) of their predecessors?
Loving everyone grouping back here to recollect the launch. We’ve all come so far. And of course greatest cheers to the thousands who made this possible
Love your videos! I worked on Artemis 1 for two years a while back and am super excited to see where it goes. Small correction though, at 12:35 you say MegaBytes per second but the shown unit is MegaBits per second which is 8 times less as a byte is 8 bits. Keep up the good work!
@@Wave1dave There's a NY Post article about it and it says 7.5 Mbps. Not a lot, no, but I have no clue what the targeted data rate is for the moon/earth implementation of it.
I love hearing your imaginative speculations of the "what if's" about the quest to the moon and "beyond". It hints of hope for a less dystopian future of us all. A reason to fulfill a goal. Maybe a goal that could unite the very splintered world we are currently navigating.
Yeah right now the only dystopian future is in China, its full 1984 over there. As far our world being splintered right now the only issue is conflict with China, since Russia shot it self in the foot. Space exploration as mention is usefully to develop our technology and resource extraction, plus fun hobby.
Oops! You said 7.5 mega bytes per second when the graphic showed 7.5 Mbps which is mega bits per second (8 times slower). 7.5 MBps is mega bytes per second.
Basically if they can't get it to work on this (fourth?) try, herings are going to be held on the failures... and then it will get so bogged down Starship will probably have a lunar capable ship by the time they're done with the bureaucracy.
@@Scott_C no i get it. NASA is almost frozen by doomed to fail budgets, unbridled corruption and bureaucratic torpedoing. The entire program was due to fail from the beginning because that's what lobbyists have wanted for decades. America is a pathetic shadow of what it once was in scientific advancements and industry. It's a laughing stock of the planet.
@@l.baileyjean3719 It actually isn't very different. There were plenty of people who at the time thought the Apollo missions were a waste of billions and had no chance of being successful. Granted they were wrong. And there are plenty of people who will say the same now... who are also wrong!!!
Interesting note on the giant lava tubes. If you pressurized them to 1 atm, and then strapped on wings, you would have the same weight to strength ratio of a large condor. You could fly by flapping your wings. With a 3000 foot ceiling, might be fun.
I’m from Cleveland, and I’ve been wondering just what in the Sam hell they’ve been attaching to telephone, and lamp poles across the entire county. Thank you for answering that question. Our connectivity is still pretty icky though, so not all ills have been solved. My grandfather worked at Glenn for years though, and I remember him talking about getting back to the moon in the late 90’s, he’s long since passed away, but it’s good to know that some of the people he may have trained could possibly be working on getting us back up to that big ole cue ball.
On screen it was written 7.5 Mbps and you said Megabytes per second. 7.5 MBps is megabytes and Mbps is Megabits. Thats a difference of around 8-10x depending on the error correction in the network
12:35 that notation means megabits per second. Megabytes would be MBps. I find it easy to remember which is which because a byte contains 8 bits, so a byte is bigger, hence the capital letter.
Spot on Joe. Accessing the water is the key but assuming we do, accessing a lava tube is the difference between outposts on the Moon versus cities on the Moon. I just published a book about living in a lava tube under the surface of the Moon and why that is a good way to prepare for Mars. It's called Tube Town - Frontier.
One key issue you need to take into consideration for a lot of different operations at the Moon is the lunar dust. How can you assure that you get a tight seal between two lunar modules connected together and no lunar dust between the flanges? How will lunar dust affect wheels and gears on lunar rovers? How will it affect space suits?
That dust apparently gets onto and into EVERYTHING!... I've seen videos where spacesuits and the associated life support systems on the Apollo missions were contaminated with sharp, paramagnetic dust particulates. Development of new fabrics for the outer shells of spacesuits include electrically induced dust repelling properties with flexible micro wires woven into them.
Definitely my question too. Everything I've seen or read about it says no base is going survive long term without some new tech. Super interesting work going on for dealing with it though!
love the content as always. Im waiting for Henson to give you a discount code on the razor itself. 😂 would love to try it out, but $70 is a bit steep for someone that buys the value packs of bic disposables 😂
I often think things like this, like I hope you got some free stuff out of the sponsor, like Raycon, Hansen, Vessi etc. coz there's no way the average Joe is spending that much!
Add a pellet stove. Renewable energy, efficient (computer chip controls!). Only problem is pellets started at about $50 per pallet when I first got my stove, they now run nearly $300 ! I'm not sure if it saves me anymore money over my propane gas furnace ... but oh, how lovely are flames! Anyhow, you're right.
NASA Glenn has (had?) a yearly tour that was FANTASTIC! The museum was a favorite place to spend time as well- and though it still exists, it's been moved downtown. Glenn is an extremely active research facility, and it's always fun hearing Yet Another bit of Research coming from there.
19 Dec 1972. That's the last time NASA went to the moon. I believe that's coming on 50 years. And you still give them taxpayer funding? For museums of glory so old it was B+W.
That tiny quick mention of a dust cloud was what was on me mind through the whole video, if you could do a video on what would happen when all that mining and construction start putting tons of reguleth in the low gravity almost non existent atmosphere, we can't stop that kind of pollution on earth mining farming and the like. I get we wouldn't be breathing it but at some point I think that would cause way more problems up there than down here.
That dust apparently gets onto and into EVERYTHING!... I've seen videos where spacesuits and the associated life support systems on the Apollo missions were contaminated with sharp, paramagnetic dust particulates. Development of new fabrics for the outer shells of spacesuits include electrically induced dust repelling properties with flexible micro wires woven into them.
Agreed I'd love a deep dive on this, surely there is a tipping point where a dust cloud could hamper communications or even worse prevent take-offs (return trips or otherwise). Unless the dust can escape the moon's gravity? Or it settles back down after periods of inactivity? Or if it gets stuck in an orbit, would it eventually form a ring like on Saturn? We need these answers Joe!
For a conversion like HLS you don't even want to remove the tanks as they can be directly converted from pressurized fuel to pressurized living space. Skylab was going to be launched as a 'wet workshop' with equipment inside the fuel tanks and then converted to living space, basically just airlocks added in to fuel tanks with floor space made by grated wire levels inside the tanks. This won't work with StarShip, I don't think because of the difference in fuels and pressure, but maybe not, I mean the tanks will need a lot less pressure for habitability unlike Methalox fueling, but they are not rated to keep that pressure for a long duration, just high pressure fuel for short duration, not one Earth's atmosphere for long duration. It would be interesting to see one thrown in to orbit and see how long it can maintain one atmosphere of pressure inside it's tank volumes.
Leaving one up in orbit with enough fuel pressure for one atmosphere and no support equipment, just monitoring would actually be useful in so many ways besides seeing the duration of sustainability of the rolled steal tanks for habitability, it would also provide some good guidelines for support equipment requirements based upon leakages and catastrophic survivability. Hopefully if StarShip ever makes it to orbit they will think of this and do it early on and not completely depressurize it because it is basically free science they can get out of the mission with a minimum of effort.
Can't take the tanks out anyway. They are just Bulkheads attached to the sidewalls. I'd leave the Bulkheads in as separators. Also, you'd have some structural instability on it's side as there are mostly no structural supports (just where unpressurized in flight).
If SpaceX does manage to get Starship working, and the *much* lower cost to LEO arrive, then I suspect we will have much higher patience for developing local water resources than we did for Apollo. Lower costs means we can try for a long time before we give up. Just a thought.
not really. there's plenty of good video channels out there. check out simon whistler, and there's a ton of other really good channel hosts out there besides. kyle hill, tons of others i can't recall. it's all in which videos and channels you choose to watch. : )
There are quite a bit fewer light poles than Cleveland on the moon; but, having a router every 100 meters will be important for checking your Twitter feed when out in the Rover, which if it is THAT advanced, better have wifi...
I wonder if there is a way to lay down a starship as a habitat. Would be quite some volume to work with and could be covered with regolith for more radiation protection. Anyways, great video Joe!
I wonder what plans they have to make gateway radiation proof? GCR could also make a permanent moon settlement moot if regolith isn't enough - and the gateway has no regolith... Having orbital space stations that aren't protected from GCR as much as the ISS, are a worry, space stations orbiting other moons and planets may not be somewhere humans can work for long.. Caves and caverns are definitely a great potential resource, if the whole planet is empty, you don't need to build a house... :)
Nobody's talking about how fucking insane the 24/7 livestream is gonna be. Even if it's just a camera mounted in front of a window watching Earth, it would be cool as hell. There'd be a ton of high quality footage of missions going out in the rovers.
Hey Joe, I have been subscribed to your channel for a while (years) now and I just want to say you content is amazing. The subjects you talk about are always interesting and you level of enthusiasm and humor in nether dry nor is it over the top, it's very genuine, just like yourself. You're also very good at explaining complex things in an engaging way without being condescending. Thank you for all the very hard work you do. I'm very happy to be one of your subscribers and hope to be one for many years to come:)
Just a tad early on the release, but I'm watching this today, Nov 16 and Artemis 1 Launched this morning! So yeah, super pumped! (and I did laugh at you, but you like that...) Thanks for the content Joe! Love it! BTW, I watched the Apollo moon landing on one of those dingy, dim and grainy Black and White TV sets back in July 1969. I was 5 and my mother made me sit and watch it and then I ran outside to see and stared at the moon to if I could see the astronauts walking around. I still stare at the moon.
They can solve the dust problem by laying down some bituminous, at least in a 50’ X 50’ SQ FT area. That is If it’s even possible to apply bituminous concrete on the surface of the moon.
PBS did a good series on Antarctica. I envision the moon base as something similar to "McMurdo Station". The episode "What do you eat in Antarctica?" is really fun. The basic answer is "Yes". People need a 3,500 to 5,000 calorie supply every day! The kitchen plans the menu and orders supplies 18 MONTHS in advance. Everything is delivered at once. Most stuff arrives officially "expired" but they still use it with few problems. "Food is morale."
We’re whaler’s on the Moon, we carry a harpoon but there ain’t no whales so we tell tall tales and sing a whaling tune. Come on people, the sea of Tranquility has to have some whales in it. That would be great for a kick start to the local economy in the first Lunar base called….maybe JamesTown. I hope there’s some Futurama and For all Mankind fans out there or I just looked like a complete crazed fool lol.
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I got the chance to work on an intern project for the Artemis program through my community college and one of the things we focused on is ways to find and utilize frozen water on the lunar surface.
Amazing Segway! I find myself concerned (of all things) with the affects of long term exposure to VERY reduced gravity. Our systems have evolved for millions of years to take advantage of exactly 1g. Being exposed to roughly 12% of that for more than just a few weeks could wreck havoc on their immune systems and their ability to heal wounds properly. Their hearts will become weaker as they won’t be fighting against gravity, their skin will likely change color and thicken due to excessive, prolonged radiation exposure, Etc…. Anyone seriously considering a Lunar carrier will have to be willing to ether risk a lengthy re-acclimation process that could take years, or a life on the moon and/or in space. Hopefully one of an Earth normal length at least.
The first image of that Habitable Mobility Platfrom sure gives out "Space: 1999" vibes, from that TV show in the 70s. 😁 I hope they are not going to bestockpilng nukes up there, right? 🤞😁
Sad to say the launch has been delayed, but still... glad that something is happening. Been too long since we were there. Always enjoy your space related videos, nice to see some optimisim and hope for a change.
Nice vid. I've thought for awhile, caves or those lava tubes would be great options as long as they are placed in "good" spots. Haven't seen too much on that end out there. Always thought they would come up with some expanding spray foam and have mini capsules spread throughout each cave. Never realized they were that large. Definitely a fan of the lava tube if they can fortify it. Make a small city some day in one of them.
It really depends on how much of problem radiation is and whether cancer is a issue by time a moon base is constructed because they are developing cancer vaccine as we speak. May not be a big issue by then water as Joe mention is number 1.
@@southcoastinventors6583 There would be much less radiation inside an old lava tube-zero, in fact, once you're out of the line of sight of the opening-because the big ones have basalt "roof layers" that are dozens of meters thick at their thinnest points, and will average almost a hundred meters thick over the length of the lava tube. Cosmic background radiation is pretty harsh, but a few meters of rock will block it all. Even high-energy particles from coronal ejections from the sun wouldn't penetrate 20m of igneous rock (heck, they wouldn't penetrate a single meter of solid basalt).
Dear Joe. Hi, you may drive your inspiration for a future video trough the video “The Proto-Robots of Antiquity” from “Kings and Things”. It is a subject you have tach many times but it was never your centrepiece. Have a good one! :)
Same here, i will praise Bruce Kovner over and over again because he has great skills, i started with $2000 and after 2week i received a returns of $6,000 then i continue with him ever since he has been delivering.
Re Lunanet speed, Mbps = megaBITS, not megabytes (as you stated). 7.5 Mbps is less than 1 MBps, since a byte is 8 bits (8Mb/s would be 1 whole MB/s). Note the capitalisation is the difference in unit, so using Mbit and Mbyte is often preferred.
Just here to say for the record that Mbps is megabits per second, not megabytes per second. And since there are 8 bits in a byte, 7.5 Mb/s = 0.9375 MB/s which is also 937.5 KB/s or 7500 Kb/s.
OK, so I just saved all 3 parts to a Playlist, but do you know what annoyed me? No? Good cause I'm gonna tell you. They're labeled, part I, part II and part 3. If you don't understand you're not allowed in my house.
One thing I think about.. I always thought we gotta go to Mars, then I heard opinion of astrophysicist that we don't have to, that there is no actual benefit to colonizing Mars and that Mars would be best explored by robots searching for life and we would just pollute the samples without any real necessity to do so. Since then I am wondering, that Mars is kinda useless actually. I am more interested in moon resources and space base/staging area, mining the asteroid belt and just deep space exploration. And even the upper atmosphere of Venus seems easier place to live than the desolate low gravity surface of Mars. Or we stay in spinning habitats in space, (just the space radiation though).
As climate change moves better weather North and makes the southern area far less inhabitable, will this have any affect on launches? Is there any plans to accommodate launches for the changing weather accompanying climate change?
A full Earth would cast 43 to 55 times more light on the moon than a full moon casts on Earth, depending on cloud cover and ice caps. Not super bright, but not the inky black we might imagine.
StarShip will be the main transport to the moon by 2032. Thats a given. As for moon habitat, using one of the lava tubes would be best as it has natural radiation shielding plus bottom and side parts of a building. It is true the getting to the water is the most important aspect of surviving long term on the moon.
T9:20 - Fitting out the interior of the starship his sounds like a job for Ikea. They can transport it flat packed in the cargo and assemble it in situ.
14:49 Dont forget that most of that water is recycleable , ISS has paved the way for that even if "humans gonna human" its a no brainer to recycle water from a pure economics perspective
What about taking into account the radiation issue and incorporate sending up some modules that are hardened for this eventuality. And assuming nuclear energy is used for the power grid design, along with solar, a magnetic shield that can be utilized in these situations (storm shutters).
I will be watching, holding my breath with the rest of the world. I have said for decades that without space exploration, humanity has zero chance of long term survival with anything resembling advanced civilization (because otherwise we kill each other off). Peace be the journey, Artemis!
We don't have the technology for that level of extinction, it more about very long term survival and resource extraction. Also should be worth noting that in 10 years that we will not have to worry about asteroid collisions.
My issue with Artemis and SLS is they are spending gigantic amount of money on a small step. If you are spending the money, let's do something ambitious. Like colonizing Mars. The other issue is that it's a government program, and therefore vulnerable to politics and wasteful spending. It's hard to cheer when you contrast it with the Starship program, which costs a tiny fraction, yet far more ambitious and has implications far beyond its immediate goal. The contrast is probably the most obvious with the Starship lunar lander. It's like crossing the English Channel with an ocean liner, because it's cheaper than the competing small ferries.
How long before we see “moon water” on the shelves of our supermarkets? “No pollution “ “Naturally irradiated “ “Never drunk before” The older I get the more cynical I am about the consumer society
Intentionally highly irritated consumer products were big back in the early part of the 20th century. With the right marketing, yeah, it could work again! _"Luna-brand Water! 🌔 Now with Helium-3 to add a bit of _*_fusion_*_ into your life!"_
I was about to suggest an electromagnetic launch system in the comments when you started to talk about it! With so much solar energy available there, it would seem like an obvious solution to allow survivably slow acceleration to high speeds. Thanks for a really interesting series of videos.
Nasa needs to either end its relationships with established defense contractors or dictate better terms. Said contractors have gotten very good at sucking the government teet. Their pricing and lack of accountability is at this point threatening Nasa's very future. It has to change.
NASA has been moving to a fixed-price commercial model since the early 2000s. Even NASA Administrator Bill Nelson says that cost-plus contracts area plague on NASA. Outside of SLS/Orion, the rest of Artemis is fixed-price contracts.
What are the measures to counter regolith’s abrasiveness and stickyness? I suppose for long-term missions that would become a problem. Also, isn’t it like powdered asbestos? What filters can withstand that?
A space elevator should be built on the moon. Space Elevator's are great and one really can't be built on Earth quite yet. It is easier to build one on the moon and we can eventually learn how to do one on earth.
It's probably not a coincidence that YT listed your video on my main page a couple of hours before the launch of Artemis I. I'm still amazed at how lucky I was for being able to watch all 3 parts and finish them 30 minutes before the launch. I am bit sleepy though (it's 2:47 here), so I hope it's not delayed. :P
Meanwhile in 1400s Europe: Joe Scott as an English noblemen herald announcing skeptical peasants about the apparently insane future of exploring the ocean
Hahaha exactly, exactly this
1400s he be deemed a warlock... I should know.... I'd be ratting him out.
It wasn't considered insane back then. They just knew the limits of what they could carry supply wise and how that limited how far they could go.
The reason Isabella backed Columbus wasn't because of any nonsense about the earth being flat, it was because she didn't understand her advisors demonstrations of why the earth was bigger than he said(they had it right to within a couple kilometers), and that he'd run out of food halfway to China.
Columbus was running out of food when they hit the Caribbean.
@@Solnoric I think he meant exploring the depths of the ocean.
@@Solnoric hear hear. Nailed it. Risky investment back then.
I feel that those lava tubes will be the answer. They will still be a bit dangerous because of moon quakes but proper placement and bracing can help. Underground solves a lot of problems.
Moon quakes are very mild - no plate tectonics. Lunar basalt is denser than granite. Many tubes are probably still intact.
why not expand a balloon into a tube and have it set rigid thru some chemical reaction, or have spider like legs expand in the tube
@@jyvben1520 I was thinking about something similar....Use the tubes as a basis and fill it up with those inflatable homes and labs?
@@jyvben1520 I'm sure NASA will be contacting you soon to discuss your amazing ideas.
@@Renvaar1989 i would be amazed if NASA contacted me ..., i have no patents ...
If they continue the Greek Mythology naming strategy, the Mars missions should be Dionysus and each mission sent with a bottle of wine!
You know, I don’t think we’ve figured out if there’s any side effects of blood alcohol content in microgravity. You might be onto something
@@maxr6118 Dionysus is the god of wine(and many other things) in greek mythology
Dionyses is the Greek wine god.
@@JoshDoingLinux I´m rather sure those experiments have been done, if not officially.
Cant imagine the last crew of Mir did not have some primo vodka to celebrate end of last shift.
@@nilesbutler8638 right but I haven’t done those experiments personally. I need to be another data point.
I just wanna be drunk in space.
I remember the first time I saw the Artemis's SLS launch (which was like 5 minutes ago), I was amazed by how it lit up the whole eastern sky. Oddly enough I couldn't hear it, usually I can hear big rockets from where I live.
Because they had a sound glitch on the projector.
It’s always a well come sigh of relief when joe Scott uploads
Exactly
You’re welcome I’m sure 😂
This deserves a reply from Joe
@@tomrengert1221 Haha yes please 🤣😂😅
@@tomrengert1221 Maybe Joe has a YouTubing Quirk that can be passed down if he replies to your comments
Hi Joe. It's T+7 minutes as I type this and thought I'd come here and congratulate you and everyone on the planet. Thank you for being part of this in explanation and clarity on what it means. Cheers mate. Rock on!
I really hope that we move forward with moon missions, I missed Apollo, I don't want to miss another...
Me too!! My main worry is accidents. We've had 7 deadly catastrophes since the inception of the space program. Nothing puts a stop to funding like death. Unfortunately, space travel is dangerous. If we lose a crew, at any time, for any reason, that will instantly set back, or even potentially end the Artemis program. So, will NASA and private companies be able to avoid the pitfalls (GREED) of their predecessors?
Loving everyone grouping back here to recollect the launch. We’ve all come so far. And of course greatest cheers to the thousands who made this possible
Love your videos! I worked on Artemis 1 for two years a while back and am super excited to see where it goes. Small correction though, at 12:35 you say MegaBytes per second but the shown unit is MegaBits per second which is 8 times less as a byte is 8 bits. Keep up the good work!
It's actually a bit less than that, as some of the bits are overhead (not part of transferred data). But not much.
7.5 MBps is pretty decent for Moon/Earth data transfer. 7.5 Mbps not so much. So which one is it?
@@lonegroover Definitely right. I didn't want to get into the weeds though.
@@Wave1dave There's a NY Post article about it and it says 7.5 Mbps. Not a lot, no, but I have no clue what the targeted data rate is for the moon/earth implementation of it.
MBps is normally displayed as MB/s and since he has made spoken mistakes in the video other than this, I think we can assume he meant 7.5 mbps
I love hearing your imaginative speculations of the "what if's" about the quest to the moon and "beyond". It hints of hope for a less dystopian future of us all. A reason to fulfill a goal. Maybe a goal that could unite the very splintered world we are currently navigating.
Yeah right now the only dystopian future is in China, its full 1984 over there. As far our world being splintered right now the only issue is conflict with China, since Russia shot it self in the foot. Space exploration as mention is usefully to develop our technology and resource extraction, plus fun hobby.
You correct Jenn.
We're taking forever to go back to the moon. Hope I'm not dead by the time we establish some kind of base there.
Oops! You said 7.5 mega bytes per second when the graphic showed 7.5 Mbps which is mega bits per second (8 times slower). 7.5 MBps is mega bytes per second.
I like how they tried a few times and then basically said "if we can't do this winter we might just give up. Thanks for watching guys!".
Basically if they can't get it to work on this (fourth?) try, herings are going to be held on the failures... and then it will get so bogged down Starship will probably have a lunar capable ship by the time they're done with the bureaucracy.
@@Scott_C no i get it. NASA is almost frozen by doomed to fail budgets, unbridled corruption and bureaucratic torpedoing. The entire program was due to fail from the beginning because that's what lobbyists have wanted for decades. America is a pathetic shadow of what it once was in scientific advancements and industry. It's a laughing stock of the planet.
@@Scott_C starship would never come close to doing anyhting near remarkable as nasa pls stop hyping space x its vaporware
@@l.baileyjean3719 It actually isn't very different. There were plenty of people who at the time thought the Apollo missions were a waste of billions and had no chance of being successful. Granted they were wrong. And there are plenty of people who will say the same now... who are also wrong!!!
@@nagiri3833 LoL did you see the 17 engine test the other day... If anyone is lying to themselves it's you.
I love your space-related videos! Thanks for the continuous updates!
I love his promo on Henson shavers better I come for that.
Doesn't look like I'll ever run out of space topics. :)
Interesting note on the giant lava tubes. If you pressurized them to 1 atm, and then strapped on wings, you would have the same weight to strength ratio of a large condor. You could fly by flapping your wings. With a 3000 foot ceiling, might be fun.
Yep, and imagine what a draw that feature would be for space tourism!
I’m from Cleveland, and I’ve been wondering just what in the Sam hell they’ve been attaching to telephone, and lamp poles across the entire county.
Thank you for answering that question.
Our connectivity is still pretty icky though, so not all ills have been solved.
My grandfather worked at Glenn for years though, and I remember him talking about getting back to the moon in the late 90’s, he’s long since passed away, but it’s good to know that some of the people he may have trained could possibly be working on getting us back up to that big ole cue ball.
Wait. I thought Cleveland was on the moon?
CLE in the house!
i live in Cleveland Mississippi.
My friend work at Glenn. Should ask him out first r launch
CLE Ohio here. Love passing by Glenn. My friend works there
If there is no Iron Sky joke in this, I'm going to be hugely disappointed.
On screen it was written 7.5 Mbps and you said Megabytes per second. 7.5 MBps is megabytes and Mbps is Megabits. Thats a difference of around 8-10x depending on the error correction in the network
12:35 that notation means megabits per second. Megabytes would be MBps. I find it easy to remember which is which because a byte contains 8 bits, so a byte is bigger, hence the capital letter.
Came here for this. Haha
Still faster than my earth internet
Loved walking through the what-ifs with your thoughtfully, informed commentary. Really interesting and fun!
Thanks!
Spot on Joe. Accessing the water is the key but assuming we do, accessing a lava tube is the difference between outposts on the Moon versus cities on the Moon. I just published a book about living in a lava tube under the surface of the Moon and why that is a good way to prepare for Mars. It's called Tube Town - Frontier.
Can we download it somewhere?
One key issue you need to take into consideration for a lot of different operations at the Moon is the lunar dust. How can you assure that you get a tight seal between two lunar modules connected together and no lunar dust between the flanges? How will lunar dust affect wheels and gears on lunar rovers? How will it affect space suits?
Yeah lunar dust is actually pretty problematic not many mention it. Still without water you would have a big issue so here hoping for plenty.
That dust apparently gets onto and into EVERYTHING!... I've seen videos where spacesuits and the associated life support systems on the Apollo missions were contaminated with sharp, paramagnetic dust particulates. Development of new fabrics for the outer shells of spacesuits include electrically induced dust repelling properties with flexible micro wires woven into them.
Definitely my question too. Everything I've seen or read about it says no base is going survive long term without some new tech. Super interesting work going on for dealing with it though!
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Been waiting for this! Thanks man for this great series
love the content as always.
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Nothing beats a good rainy cold day, a stack of sandwiches, a cold drink the comfy warm bed and Joe's videos.
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Anyhow, you're right.
Is there bacon on your sandwiches? I love bacon and ham/roast beef, yummmmy!
@@anonymousadult I made like 14 bacon sandwich 💀
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NASA Glenn has (had?) a yearly tour that was FANTASTIC! The museum was a favorite place to spend time as well- and though it still exists, it's been moved downtown. Glenn is an extremely active research facility, and it's always fun hearing Yet Another bit of Research coming from there.
19 Dec 1972. That's the last time NASA went to the moon. I believe that's coming on 50 years. And you still give them taxpayer funding? For museums of glory so old it was B+W.
Thanks Joe, another great and informative video👍
I appreciate it!
That tiny quick mention of a dust cloud was what was on me mind through the whole video, if you could do a video on what would happen when all that mining and construction start putting tons of reguleth in the low gravity almost non existent atmosphere, we can't stop that kind of pollution on earth mining farming and the like. I get we wouldn't be breathing it but at some point I think that would cause way more problems up there than down here.
That dust apparently gets onto and into EVERYTHING!... I've seen videos where spacesuits and the associated life support systems on the Apollo missions were contaminated with sharp, paramagnetic dust particulates. Development of new fabrics for the outer shells of spacesuits include electrically induced dust repelling properties with flexible micro wires woven into them.
Agreed I'd love a deep dive on this, surely there is a tipping point where a dust cloud could hamper communications or even worse prevent take-offs (return trips or otherwise). Unless the dust can escape the moon's gravity? Or it settles back down after periods of inactivity? Or if it gets stuck in an orbit, would it eventually form a ring like on Saturn? We need these answers Joe!
Could happen...
For a conversion like HLS you don't even want to remove the tanks as they can be directly converted from pressurized fuel to pressurized living space.
Skylab was going to be launched as a 'wet workshop' with equipment inside the fuel tanks and then converted to living space, basically just airlocks added in to fuel tanks with floor space made by grated wire levels inside the tanks.
This won't work with StarShip, I don't think because of the difference in fuels and pressure, but maybe not, I mean the tanks will need a lot less pressure for habitability unlike Methalox fueling, but they are not rated to keep that pressure for a long duration, just high pressure fuel for short duration, not one Earth's atmosphere for long duration.
It would be interesting to see one thrown in to orbit and see how long it can maintain one atmosphere of pressure inside it's tank volumes.
Leaving one up in orbit with enough fuel pressure for one atmosphere and no support equipment, just monitoring would actually be useful in so many ways besides seeing the duration of sustainability of the rolled steal tanks for habitability, it would also provide some good guidelines for support equipment requirements based upon leakages and catastrophic survivability.
Hopefully if StarShip ever makes it to orbit they will think of this and do it early on and not completely depressurize it because it is basically free science they can get out of the mission with a minimum of effort.
Can't take the tanks out anyway. They are just Bulkheads attached to the sidewalls. I'd leave the Bulkheads in as separators. Also, you'd have some structural instability on it's side as there are mostly no structural supports (just where unpressurized in flight).
Hey Joe, love your videos. you might want to include some links to the other two parts for people who are lazy like me.
If SpaceX does manage to get Starship working, and the *much* lower cost to LEO arrive, then I suspect we will have much higher patience for developing local water resources than we did for Apollo. Lower costs means we can try for a long time before we give up.
Just a thought.
Thank you for continuing to put out excellent work, that’s a rare skill these days.
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There are quite a bit fewer light poles than Cleveland on the moon; but, having a router every 100 meters will be important for checking your Twitter feed when out in the Rover, which if it is THAT advanced, better have wifi...
I wonder if there is a way to lay down a starship as a habitat. Would be quite some volume to work with and could be covered with regolith for more radiation protection. Anyways, great video Joe!
Didn't wait till 8:45 to write the comment 😬
I wonder what plans they have to make gateway radiation proof?
GCR could also make a permanent moon settlement moot if regolith isn't enough - and the gateway has no regolith...
Having orbital space stations that aren't protected from GCR as much as the ISS, are a worry, space stations orbiting other moons and planets may not be somewhere humans can work for long..
Caves and caverns are definitely a great potential resource, if the whole planet is empty, you don't need to build a house... :)
Moon resorses like He3.
*Resources.
Nobody's talking about how fucking insane the 24/7 livestream is gonna be. Even if it's just a camera mounted in front of a window watching Earth, it would be cool as hell. There'd be a ton of high quality footage of missions going out in the rovers.
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That's incredibly nice, thank you for that. :)
Just a tad early on the release, but I'm watching this today, Nov 16 and Artemis 1 Launched this morning! So yeah, super pumped! (and I did laugh at you, but you like that...)
Thanks for the content Joe! Love it!
BTW, I watched the Apollo moon landing on one of those dingy, dim and grainy Black and White TV sets back in July 1969. I was 5 and my mother made me sit and watch it and then I ran outside to see and stared at the moon to if I could see the astronauts walking around.
I still stare at the moon.
1:03 Actually a crewed landing on the surface has been recently confirmed for Artemis 4 too! So Artemis 5 will be the third crewed landing.
They can solve the dust problem by laying down some bituminous, at least in a 50’ X 50’ SQ FT area. That is If it’s even possible to apply bituminous concrete on the surface of the moon.
PBS did a good series on Antarctica.
I envision the moon base as something similar to "McMurdo Station".
The episode "What do you eat in Antarctica?" is really fun.
The basic answer is "Yes". People need a 3,500 to 5,000 calorie supply every day!
The kitchen plans the menu and orders supplies 18 MONTHS in advance. Everything is delivered at once. Most stuff arrives officially "expired" but they still use it with few problems. "Food is morale."
We’re whaler’s on the Moon, we carry a harpoon but there ain’t no whales so we tell tall tales and sing a whaling tune. Come on people, the sea of Tranquility has to have some whales in it. That would be great for a kick start to the local economy in the first Lunar base called….maybe JamesTown. I hope there’s some Futurama and For all Mankind fans out there or I just looked like a complete crazed fool lol.
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That means a lot, thanks!
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I got the chance to work on an intern project for the Artemis program through my community college and one of the things we focused on is ways to find and utilize frozen water on the lunar surface.
Amazing Segway!
I find myself concerned (of all things) with the affects of long term exposure to VERY reduced gravity.
Our systems have evolved for millions of years to take advantage of exactly 1g.
Being exposed to roughly 12% of that for more than just a few weeks could wreck havoc on their immune systems and their ability to heal wounds properly.
Their hearts will become weaker as they won’t be fighting against gravity, their skin will likely change color and thicken due to excessive, prolonged radiation exposure, Etc….
Anyone seriously considering a Lunar carrier will have to be willing to ether risk a lengthy re-acclimation process that could take years, or a life on the moon and/or in space.
Hopefully one of an Earth normal length at least.
Hey Joe! Keep up the great work. Love what you do.
Thanks so much!
The first image of that Habitable Mobility Platfrom sure gives out "Space: 1999" vibes, from that TV show in the 70s. 😁
I hope they are not going to bestockpilng nukes up there, right? 🤞😁
Thanks for all the awesome work you do, we appreciate your hard work!
Great, albeit very speculative, episode, Joe. Thanks bunches. The moon I think is inevitable; Mars, a general waste of time.
Sad to say the launch has been delayed, but still... glad that something is happening. Been too long since we were there.
Always enjoy your space related videos, nice to see some optimisim and hope for a change.
It will never launch
@Morogoth This aged poorly
@@Brick_One_A_Lego_Story it never launched
@@xMorogothx what an odd comment.
Serious question: Why do we now not have the technology to send a manned craft back to the moon, when we already did this many times, 50 years ago?
Nice vid. I've thought for awhile, caves or those lava tubes would be great options as long as they are placed in "good" spots. Haven't seen too much on that end out there. Always thought they would come up with some expanding spray foam and have mini capsules spread throughout each cave. Never realized they were that large. Definitely a fan of the lava tube if they can fortify it. Make a small city some day in one of them.
Have you read ”Red Moon” by Kim Stanley Anderson? I also recommend ”Artemis” by Andy Weir. But Andy doesn’t mention lava tunnels.
@@judithstuart9631 i will check them out!
It really depends on how much of problem radiation is and whether cancer is a issue by time a moon base is constructed because they are developing cancer vaccine as we speak. May not be a big issue by then water as Joe mention is number 1.
@@southcoastinventors6583 more radiation inside lava tubes?
@@southcoastinventors6583 There would be much less radiation inside an old lava tube-zero, in fact, once you're out of the line of sight of the opening-because the big ones have basalt "roof layers" that are dozens of meters thick at their thinnest points, and will average almost a hundred meters thick over the length of the lava tube. Cosmic background radiation is pretty harsh, but a few meters of rock will block it all. Even high-energy particles from coronal ejections from the sun wouldn't penetrate 20m of igneous rock (heck, they wouldn't penetrate a single meter of solid basalt).
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Re Lunanet speed, Mbps = megaBITS, not megabytes (as you stated). 7.5 Mbps is less than 1 MBps, since a byte is 8 bits (8Mb/s would be 1 whole MB/s). Note the capitalisation is the difference in unit, so using Mbit and Mbyte is often preferred.
Just here to say for the record that Mbps is megabits per second, not megabytes per second. And since there are 8 bits in a byte, 7.5 Mb/s = 0.9375 MB/s which is also 937.5 KB/s or 7500 Kb/s.
OK, so I just saved all 3 parts to a Playlist, but do you know what annoyed me?
No? Good cause I'm gonna tell you.
They're labeled, part I, part II and part 3.
If you don't understand you're not allowed in my house.
One thing I think about.. I always thought we gotta go to Mars, then I heard opinion of astrophysicist that we don't have to, that there is no actual benefit to colonizing Mars and that Mars would be best explored by robots searching for life and we would just pollute the samples without any real necessity to do so.
Since then I am wondering, that Mars is kinda useless actually. I am more interested in moon resources and space base/staging area, mining the asteroid belt and just deep space exploration.
And even the upper atmosphere of Venus seems easier place to live than the desolate low gravity surface of Mars. Or we stay in spinning habitats in space, (just the space radiation though).
Will they listen to Pink Floyd while on the moon?
The Habitable Mobility Platform is not a car. It's going to be a freakin' RV. Yes, NASA is proposing putting an RV on the moon.
As climate change moves better weather North and makes the southern area far less inhabitable, will this have any affect on launches? Is there any plans to accommodate launches for the changing weather accompanying climate change?
Hey Joe, have you considered making an "Artemis Program" playlist? Just a thought. Luv ya man
Thinking about traveling around the dark side of the moon having to use headlights to see anything sounds terrifying
A full Earth would cast 43 to 55 times more light on the moon than a full moon casts on Earth, depending on cloud cover and ice caps. Not super bright, but not the inky black we might imagine.
Now, if you're thinking about night on the far side, that's going to be dark.
Dark side of the moon doesn't mean the sun does not shine on it, unless this is a funny post in which case beware of the space vikings.
StarShip will be the main transport to the moon by 2032. Thats a given. As for moon habitat, using one of the lava tubes would be best as it has natural radiation shielding plus bottom and side parts of a building. It is true the getting to the water is the most important aspect of surviving long term on the moon.
T9:20 - Fitting out the interior of the starship his sounds like a job for Ikea. They can transport it flat packed in the cargo and assemble it in situ.
14:49 Dont forget that most of that water is recycleable , ISS has paved the way for that
even if "humans gonna human" its a no brainer to recycle water from a pure economics perspective
Luckily the launch went well, so we are super pumped up about this. Well, at least I am.
Imagine what we could do if we united as a species. Artemis program would be
completed by now...
You almost got it! November 16th at 1:04 AM EST is the new schedule
Mission 11 Astronauts will construct a Walmart Super Center.
Or, we find the water, but turns out it is all foul-like because of stupid organic particulate...
Classic shaving machine works and better than anyone could expect
Only way to advance the US space program, China and Russia is also doing it.
Nitpic: government doesnt deal with dystopia, it causes dystopia.
Rooting for the Chinese to put a bit of fire under that candle. A good old fashioned spacerace is what will get things going.
Megabit, not Megabyte. MB is Megabyte, Mb is Megabit. We measure storage with bytes and data transfer with bits.
Artemis 1 launched today!!!
I was looking under playlist to find the hole serie. Might help your views to add it there.
Anyone else find it weird yet insane that theres just humans floating around in space at this very moment
What about taking into account the radiation issue and incorporate sending up some modules that are hardened for this eventuality. And assuming nuclear energy is used for the power grid design, along with solar, a magnetic shield that can be utilized in these situations (storm shutters).
Dust is going to be a huge problem that hasn't been mentioned. The lunar regolith is very abrasive and sticks to everything.
Yeah nah just send robots.
Robots got this one bro.
Sending humans is dumb.
I will be watching, holding my breath with the rest of the world. I have said for decades that without space exploration, humanity has zero chance of long term survival with anything resembling advanced civilization (because otherwise we kill each other off). Peace be the journey, Artemis!
We don't have the technology for that level of extinction, it more about very long term survival and resource extraction. Also should be worth noting that in 10 years that we will not have to worry about asteroid collisions.
My issue with Artemis and SLS is they are spending gigantic amount of money on a small step. If you are spending the money, let's do something ambitious. Like colonizing Mars.
The other issue is that it's a government program, and therefore vulnerable to politics and wasteful spending. It's hard to cheer when you contrast it with the Starship program, which costs a tiny fraction, yet far more ambitious and has implications far beyond its immediate goal.
The contrast is probably the most obvious with the Starship lunar lander. It's like crossing the English Channel with an ocean liner, because it's cheaper than the competing small ferries.
Starship is not only cheaper, it has a vastly shorter development cycle. Artemis will be dead in 3 years.
The razor sharp dust will be the biggest threat humans face.
How long before we see “moon water” on the shelves of our supermarkets? “No pollution “ “Naturally irradiated “ “Never drunk before”
The older I get the more cynical I am about the consumer society
Intentionally highly irritated consumer products were big back in the early part of the 20th century. With the right marketing, yeah, it could work again!
_"Luna-brand Water! 🌔 Now with Helium-3 to add a bit of _*_fusion_*_ into your life!"_
It finally launched!!!!!!!
Love your vids man!!!
The Moon is a much much more useful goal than Mars. Mars is dumb.
Why do we STILL not have a live feed camera view of the earth from the moon?
If anyone has watched "For All Mankind", we already have a pretty good roadmap of how this might unfold...
True, just a few decades overdue and with far better technology
Ah Russia...they'll be lucky if they will have the money for a paper clip
I don't believe that Russia will be in the position to do Moon missions.
It finally launched Joe. You can rest now.
I was about to suggest an electromagnetic launch system in the comments when you started to talk about it! With so much solar energy available there, it would seem like an obvious solution to allow survivably slow acceleration to high speeds. Thanks for a really interesting series of videos.
Nasa needs to either end its relationships with established defense contractors or dictate better terms. Said contractors have gotten very good at sucking the government teet. Their pricing and lack of accountability is at this point threatening Nasa's very future. It has to change.
NASA has been moving to a fixed-price commercial model since the early 2000s. Even NASA Administrator Bill Nelson says that cost-plus contracts area plague on NASA. Outside of SLS/Orion, the rest of Artemis is fixed-price contracts.
What are the measures to counter regolith’s abrasiveness and stickyness? I suppose for long-term missions that would become a problem. Also, isn’t it like powdered asbestos? What filters can withstand that?
Let's hope they name it the Artemis Satellite System!
😉😁
A space elevator should be built on the moon. Space Elevator's are great and one really can't be built on Earth quite yet. It is easier to build one on the moon and we can eventually learn how to do one on earth.
Ooh this
It's probably not a coincidence that YT listed your video on my main page a couple of hours before the launch of Artemis I. I'm still amazed at how lucky I was for being able to watch all 3 parts and finish them 30 minutes before the launch. I am bit sleepy though (it's 2:47 here), so I hope it's not delayed. :P
Couldn't we laugh at you and it still launched?