I believe LeBron and his media team has trashed his legacy. I used to admire him when he was just an amazing player,but with ths goat shit and prearranged interviews people started to hate on him.
He could have been known as the phenom that wasn't obsessed with winning (like Jordan or Kobe) and no family drama. It would have brought about discussions of a possible balance between greatness & stability. Cuz Kobe & MJ love them but definitely not sane people.
LeBron James has played in the NBA for 22 seasons and has only won 3 championships, his dribbling skills and frequent traveling violations are the reason why he is 3-6 in my opinion. I’m from West Los Angeles, I have been to VIP parties promoted by players on the Lakers, I have personally spent a bar hopping night with Hall of Fame NBA players and Hall of Fame NFL players, I do not view the Bubble Summer Camp Cup as an authentic valid NBA championship. There are 12 Million people that live in Los Angeles and 20-25 Million in Los Angeles County along with Orange County and San Diego: the Pure Lakers Fanbase. Yet Lebron couldn't even get the city to watch him in a Bubble during California infamous statewide Covid shutdown and restrictions. His highlights often include plays of him traveling, carrying, or offensive charging, he has an adherence to fundamental basketball rules. The NBA’s current marketing strategies, which heavily promote LeBron as the “face of the league,” prioritize commercial interests over basketball performance. This focus on branding, supported by partnerships with companies like Nike, detracts from the competitive nature of the NBA. Ironically, Lebron is the face of Nike and their sales and prestige has plummeted the same as the NBA. Yet, they can't see the data, fans and trends. All of the present NBA players are constantly injured because of Performance Enhanced LeBron. His NFL running back style of play, combined with changes in officiating, and officials allowing him to run over players has reduce the strategic and skill-based aspects of the sport. The introduction of the NBA’s “play-in tournament” is a way to increase engagement by giving Lebron and Los Angeles Free Throw Takers additional chances to reach the playoffs. This is shift away from the league’s traditional competitive framework. Finally, fans are dissatisfied with media coverage of the NBA, because it is biased toward Lebron and the Lakers. This focus has contributed to a perception that the league prioritizes Lebron over competitive balance, which has affected overall viewership and enthusiasm for the NBA. 22 seasons 3 rings = 1 ring every 7 seasons is not greatness and below average
Agreed, the goat thing is good for fans and media to debate but Lebron and his fan base seem desperate to push a narrative. He no longer seems authentic.
If 6-0 is nothing to yall LeBron fans. Michael Jordan is also the only player in NBA history to win regular season MVP, a scoring title, first team all-defensive player, a finals MVP, and a championship all in one season. Jordan did this 4 times. Yes, 4 times. Michael Jordan is also the only player to win a scoring title and defensive player award in the same season. Jordan did this 6 times.
@@thewatercooler2 don't know what you drinking, but I'm not gonnah overlook juicing. After you watch Jordan vs Lebron - The Best GOAT Comparison by DANGERProductions, let us know if Facts change your mind.
I was fortunate enough to watch ALL 3 play their entire careers. MJ was a different animal, no flaws game wise, the ultimate competitor, and loved the game of basketball. He even had a one of a kind "love of the game" clause in his contact that gave him the right to play a game of pick-up ball anywhere or anytime he chose. Kobe was MJ with a little more flare. Same mentality, same drive, same love of the game. MJ saw himself in Kobe and was a mentor and brother to Kobe. They had respect for each other. They played regardless of illness or injuries. They both have said that they dont take games off because there might be a kid in the stands that came to see them play and would never have the opportunity to see them play again. That's respect for the fans. When Lebron came into the league, he wanted the relationship with MJ that Kobe had. However, MJ saw right through lebron. Snubbed him from the beginning because he knew lebron was a one trick pony and a bully. Lebron got to the top of the mountain by being lifted up, not by climbing up. Cutting corners of the game and cheating the game and fans has done him no favors. With his lack of humility and respect for the game, the ones that came before him doesn't warrant much respect at all. No respect earned, so no respect given.
Same here, which is why it’s pretty obvious that the only people who actually believe LeBron is the best ever, are too young to truly understand the difference. He’s a great player no doubt, but not in the upper echelon of competitors. Kobe on the other hand had that insane determination within him, so he has my utmost respect. Jordan, oh man, it was an entirely different experience. The most ruthless, talented, fundamental, and athletic player I’ve ever seen…..by a long shot.
@@sammy_trixcan't you just except a critique as that. Why you people assume opinions or beliefs different from your is always "hate". The word has lost its power today because of the misappropriation usage of the word. Congratulations. People just running there mouths now. Blah, blah, blah
James commits one of the cardinal sins in NBA history the man load manages in the game on defense, that is a lack of commitment to compare him to Jordan or Kobe two of the greatest 2-way players ever is beyond delusional
Everyone is ignoring the elephant in the room. A 240 pounds, athlete jumping and running for 20 plus seasons, with no serious knee injuries is not possible. He's clearly cheating the sport.
Tha baby goat 🐐 James defense were great like GOAT JORDAN was until 9 or 10 yrs later his defense got terrible after that but yet he'z still better than kobe THO
Are you serious? Def3nce ? Because he is 36-40 years old? 😂 I've bet Mj an Kobe can't do defence in 36 years old. But they didn't make it until 40s so.
MJ was such a competitor. I live in Vancouver and saw that infamous game when Darrick Martin was trash talking MJ with the Grizzlies up in the 4th quarter. MJ being MJ took over the game as he almost single handedly won the game for the Bulls. We all heard the stories about what he did and said to Darrick Martin, to never ever talk trash to MJ. It was a meaningless game in the middle of winter in a year the Bulls won 72 games against a very bad Grizzles team and MJ showed up. The arena was jumping and was an experience i'll never forget.
LeChina is a sellout... when M.J or Kobe played the game had magic... shoot i remember family would get together on a wed to watch a laker game!... now ... that magic is gone
MJ was a master Jazz musician, fundamentally amazing with the ability to improv over anything that came along. Kobe was a master classical musician, fundamentally amazing, studied and practiced enough to play anything that has already happened a few times in history, and Lebron is just a garage band musician, fundamentally flawed and really not very good, but happens to have amazing gear, so he can get people to play with him, until they realize how flawed he is, then all they want to do is not jam with him any more.
Michael is the Flute player who took basketball into new heights Kobe is a piano player who utilize more skill to his game LeBron is the drummer who learned to facilitate.
Because he made it to the finals 6 times in a row. That is a crazy feat. He's not a 1on1 player and that is what people be missing. Y'all don't understand basketball. What type of teams did he drag to those finals, they shouldn't even have been there. Y'all think he wasn't tired? Just him basically verses entire teams full of legends? Think.
@@Despot-vd3rz exactly, MJ still my goat but all these old heads hating lebron for no reason saying he has not heart, bro literally willed the cavs back from being down 3-1 against one of the greatest teams ever. Lebron missed out on so many rings because the warriors were just cheesing. He also took some really bad cavs teams all the way to the finals.
Saw three of them. And if I judge by my own without minding the paid narratives and propaganda. Easily MJ top 1. Kobe top 2 or 3. Bron top 8 or 9. Not even close. But you gotta hand it to Lebron, he pushed himself to the top 2 of blind followers by paying media and setting up narratives. Dude can be a good politician. But basketball-wise not even close. Its funny to see his fans defend him tho
What makes your opinion any more right than people who saw them play and got mj then bron? Because realistically Kobe is the only guy who is barely top 5. People only put Kobe behind mj because. 1. They don’t like lebron. 2. They play alike. 3. Because he died. There’s barely a case for Kobe to be Barely anybody ACTUALLY thinks Kobe is 2, especially behind bron, and Kareem. Y’all always like to highlight brons low moments, and sweep aside his highlights in his career. Y’all like to bring up how the media makes looks good. But if y’all think the media doesn’t also tear this man asunder at every mistake he makes way more then you’re bugging . You mj/kobe fans acting like y’all got imaginary beef with the man and that shi. Bron is the only player in nba history who had the highest expectations and still managed to exceed them.
@@Quazy3they get amnesia when their favorite players lowlights get brought up. Lmao Kobe blew not 1 but 2 3-1 leads. And he shot his team out of countless playoff games and finals. MJ also quit on the game sure he came back but he quit if he was true to the game he wouldn’t have quit. And again LeBron Kobe and MJ all have completely different body types and play styles.
Balco is just for the Modern NBa marketing. Can't compare a 6 times NBA finals loser to 6 time NBA champ with no losses and 5 time nBA champ with only 2 losses in Physical defensive era of NBa as Alpha and Co alpha.
@melvynsngltn27 against 8 teams. He played 963 games total. Two-thirds of that is the number of games the Bulls played without losing 3 in a row. Bill also played along with 7 hall of famers. He was very good but there's no comparison.
Kobe got 8 seasons where he was 1st team offense and defense to mikes 9 and brons 5. That’s 2nd in nba history. He’s a better offensive player and defensive player and he’s a better winner. Bron got the numbers mikre got the numbers and accolades on Kobe but Kobe right behind Mike. Of all the players w three or more rings u know the players who matter, Mike is the only player better than Kobe on defense and maybe offense. Kobe took a one time all star no all nba selections pau gasol w him to win 2-3 and got back to back rings. Bron needed at least 2or three all stars to win all his chips except the bubble w another superstar in AD. Magic Kareem Mike russle wilt Duncan Shaq none of these players went to three straight finals without another superstar let alone win back to back finals or even won 1 ring,. and Kobe is a better offensive and defensive player than all of them except Mike. He got 12all defensive selections tied w Duncan but 9 are 1st team tied w Mike for best all time. While having 5 rings 3or which he was w prime Shaq where in their playoff run he only avg 1less point than Shaq while facilitating the offense being their best defender and closing out games for them cuz Shaq couldn’t shoot free throws. They don’t get 3rings if they have no closer cuz Shaq couldn’t do it. While Shaq was playing w Kobe he was calling Kobe the best player in the league. A finals record of 5-7 his peers Duncan iverson Shaq and dirk call him the best player of their era. He saved lebronze James in the Olympics when coach k had to call in the best player in the league to help teach them how to win. W Kobe they won gold and were 36-0. In the gold medal game the guy who calls himself the goat disappeared in the fourth quarter like usual and Kobe made or assisted on all the points down the stretch to win the game. Kobe is a better winner offensive player and defensive player than everyone except Mike and maybe Russel as far as winning and defense but yea not top 5 top 2 and then there’s a gap between him and Mike and everyone else cuz nobody can guard Mike or Kobe and stop them from scoring and they don’t need much help to win rings and their the fiercest competitors they’ll die to win the game
Also while lebron was sleep walking his way to the finals in the easy eastern league Kobe year after year had to go through the gauntlet of the western league. Lebron shouldn’t even be in the top 10 let alone mentioned in the same breath with Jordan and Kobe.
@@SESSHOUMARU11 first of all. How many times was Kobe top 3 in dpoy ratings?? Kobe and mj are not better offensively than bron. Unless you think offense is all about scoring(which is not) Bron is a top 3-5 playmaker of all time. The playmaking gap is way too huge for mj and Kobe to be better at overall offense. Also, Was Kobe a winner when he shot chucked his team into getting swept, or was mj a winner when he was shooting a shit ton of fga just to lose to be swept. Mj had the career he had because Phil Jackson corrected his game and the front office got him the pieces he needed, he had one of the best defending pgs one of the best spot up shooting pgs, a top 5 small forwards, an extremely good rim protector/defender in Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman, and a very decent bench around him. While Kobe had shaq for his first 3 chips which he wasn’t getting had he not had the literal most dominant player at the time on his team. Don’t forget how he threatened to leave the lakers if they didn’t get him the pieces he wanted. Kobe would’ve did exactly what lebron did in leave his team because the front office refused to get him any pieces to help benefited him. Although I highlight mjs and Kobe’s short comings, I didn’t forget about 2011 it’s by far his worse finals performance but Kobe and mj has had horrible performances like that in the playoffs but unlike bron they came short in the playoffs instead of the finals, oh wait, Kobe 04 performance when he wanted to play hero ball point being, kobe and mj aren’t as perfect as you think they are. There is not almost no case for Kobe over lebron. I personally think bron and mj are interchangeable because of what mj did against way less competition. But Kobe should not be mentioned in the same breath as top 2 or 3. And never with lebron. Lebron is the leading scorer, is on the leaderboard for nearly every stat, plays better interior d, has arguably the high basketball iq in nba history. More mvps, finals mvps, more all star appearances, more all nba first team. Was a top 2 in nba dpoy voting. With 1 less chip. And less all nba defensive team. So y’all can stop pretending like Kobe and mj were these perfect basketball players when they had horrible short comings too If a career like this over Kobe’s doesn’t make him top 2 then idk what will. Mj or Kobe also never took a team as bad as the 07 cavs or the 18 cavs to the finals by himself. Kobe would’ve already left by year 6 lmao. Could’ve written a lot more too.
If you like analytics, Jordan is #1 All-Time for the regular season AND the post-season in these areas: the leading scoring average, Player Efficiency Rating, Win Shares, Box+/-, VORP per game. By VORP, Jordan has 6 of the ten best seasons ever, and by game score he has 19 of the top 100 games since 1980.
With MJ and Kobe, when I'm watching them, i felt electrified. With Lebron, I laugh a lot, with the shoulder shrug whenever he scores but the opponent leads 20 points over them. I laugh at Lebron when he touches part of his body as an excuse of not making the basket. In short, with MJ and Kobe, I felt like I was watching an 4DX movie. With Lebron, as if I was watching a comedy movie.
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson 5. Larry Bird 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 10. Steph Curry 14. Kobe Bryant 15. Kevin Durant Bleacher report doesn't even have Russell Westbrook top 20 player all time When it's all said & done, this isn't even going to be a debate LeBron vs Kobe: Regular season: Playoffs: PPG: LeBron PPG: LeBron RPG: LeBron RPG: LeBron APG: LeBron APG: LeBron SPG: LeBron SPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron FG%: LeBron FG%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron FT%: Kobe FT%: Kobe TS%: LeBron TS%: LeBron PER: LeBron PER: LeBron MVPs: LeBron Win Shares: Win Shares: LeBron LeBron. Plus/Minus: Plus/Minus: LeBron LeBron Rings: Kobe WS/48: Finals Mvps: LeBron LeBron LeBron is a better player then Kobe Field goal% LeBron 50.6%✔️ Kobe 44.7% Points scored LeBron 40,474✔️ Kobe 33,643 LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots 3pointers made career LeBron 2,410✔️ (8th all time) Kobe 1827 Steals career LeBron 2,275✔️ (8th all time) Kobe 1,944 Blocks career LeBron 1,111✔️ Kobe 640 Assists Leader LeBron 1✔️ Kobe 0 Defensive win shares LeBron 80.71✔️ (10th all time) Kobe 50.66 Career highs Kobe 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record Career highs LeBron 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record Playoff points scored LeBron 8,162✔️ (1st all time) Kobe 5,640 Playoff game winning buzzers beaters LeBron 5✔️ Kobe 1 2010 NBA finals Game 7 Lakers 83 Celtics 79 Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points 2013 NBA finals Game 7 Heat 95 Spurs 88 LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 Shaq 38.0 ppg and 61.1% fg and 16 rebs Kobe 15.6 ppg and 36.7% fg and 20% 3pt Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings Kobe 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 2011 NBA playoffs Mavericks 4 Lakers 0 Dallas swept Kobe Bryant who was favorite to win series with home court advantage
@@DeanLowry-fp3ijI'm sorry but bleacher report belongs exactly where the title states. It belongs with the bleachers in opinions Bill Russell comes first on my list because he took team leadership first and made it Great. Russell is the defensive side of the coin. Michael is the head side. So it's a two way coin on who you like. Different perspectives. I take Russell because he took the concept of TEAM and made it greater as US. Not I. Michael took team winning to new heights as a shooting guard which was the most average position that went against good centers. He changed the game by position and perfection to the game. Centers were always more important in basketball. But Jordan changed that when he proved to be a winner with low average centers as teammates. Wilt is the overall Power house The height, the speed, the agility, he only lacked free throws and dribbling. But if Wilt played today, no center would stop him. He was already shooting hook shots from 3pt range and shooting fade aways in his era. Kareem is the double edge sword to wilt. Kareem's ability to perfect the hook shot and play under good teammates makes him a good overall center in balance of size and support in team winning Tim Duncan. Rare power forward. Duncan technically was Mr fundamentals. Duncan wasn't as athletic as David Robinson but his heart to the game and fundamentals is why he should be in top 5 discussions. Not to mention he was head to head with the Lakers and shaq with Kobe. Kobe Bryant. If you want to mention determination, hard work and skill. That's all Kobe. Kobe is average in athletic abilities. But his will power and work ethics surpasses greater athletes in his era. All legends need good teams and Kobe. We should disqualify him because he had Shaq. Shaquille. Shaq is probably the most dominant center in strength and size. He made his whole game about dominance and not being able to be stopped in the paint. Larry Bird. Larry Bird is the Greatest small forward in history before LeBron came along. Bird had the better team in 80s, anything Bird put his mind to doing he would do it as a shooter or overall small forward. Magic Johnson. One of the greatest if not best facilitators of the game. Magic took what Pete maverich did and but he's 6ft9 and athletic. Playing all 5 positions and proof of it. Magic is one of the most perfect points guards you would want in hall of fame. Good passer too. LeBron James. What makes LeBron great is overall longevity. That's physically and mentally to sustain records. LeBrons biggest asset is his court vision. As much as people may not give him props, LeBrons court vision is why he's a hard competitor. He's going to utilize the game as like a chess player. That means off the court in management too. Dr J. Julius Irving is one of the most underrated legends people forget about. Dr. J was basically Michael's favorite player before MJ took what he did and expanded on it. Hakeem olajuwowon the best overall center footwork with dominance added to it. Hakeem still has unbelievable footwork.
No heart in his game based off what? Your opinion? You don’t do what Bron, Kobe, MJ, KAJ, or any of the greats have done if you don’t have heart. Stop chatting out your ass because you either don’t like him or you love the guys he’s compared to and feel he isn’t on their level.
Bro there is also no such thing as 1a and 1b stuff..it’s Mike at 1, Kareem at 2, 3,45 is between magic, bird and Kobe. 6-10 has Russell, wilt, shaq, Duncan and Steph or Hakeem. Just my opinion though
@@Ephilly-rz2pbI'm ASSUMING THAT LEBRICK IS IN YOUR TOP 10 THOUGH RIGHT? I PERSONALLY CAN'T STAND HIM, HIS STAT PADDING WHILST HE'S CONTINUOUSLY CHOKING IN BIG MOMENTS. ESPECIALLY FROM THE FREE THROW LINE. BECAUSE OF THE TOTALITY HIS BODY OF WORK HE HAS TO BE CONSIDERED SOMEWHERE NEAR THE TOP 45 WITHOUT BREACHING THE TOP 10 FOR SOME. I WAS PERSONALLY DONE WITH HIS DUMBASS WHEN HE PROCLAIMED THAT HE WAS "THE GOAT"!🐐 CERTAIN SPORTS FANS ARE KNOWN FOR BEING CRAZY, INSANE, ERRATIC, OVEREMOTIONAL, DELUSIONAL AND EVEN PIG-HEADED. BUT AND WHEN WE SPEAK "ABOUT YOU". OUR EARNEST DESIRE WOULD HONESTLY BE TO SAY IT TO YOUR DAMNED FACE 👀 AND LOOKING YOU DIRECTLY INTO YOUR EYES LIKE......."HERE YOU GO"!😎 NUFF SAID. FOR NOW.
I do not have James in my top 10 at all what Centers did he dominate none of to many great players better than James like Bird, Magic, Wilt, Kareem , Kobe, Bill Russell, Tim Duncan, Hakeem, George Mikan, The fact that you as a player has to change your game to play with Bron but he can’t change his shows you who he is as a baller.
@@3ikyy "Skill" means nothing. You're using today's standard of the game where they can travel every single possession. Back then, if you even attempted the moves you'd get called fouls. You really think Kyrie and Luka would'nt get called for carries every single possesion? Long euros weren't even allowed. Movement was super restricted. Coaches didn't just let players shoot 100 threes a game. It was real, positional basketball. That's why they may appear to be "less skilled" or whatever you're trying to say. It was a completely different game and it's completely unfair to say they're unskilled, when in 30 years everyone will be saying that abt Lebron.
@@nickbalenzano8339 it's not even just about the moves or the rules but for example the fact that players can hit more of their shots at more efficient rates. The players of today are simply just better. Which is completely understandable it's not to put nothing against the older Legends but of course the future athletes are always going to be more skilled and better. And in the future I understand they're going to say this about our generation and it would be completely factual and true that our generation wouldn't be as skilled as the future generations of athletes. That's just completely true and how sports evolve. And nowhere did I say they were unskilled you are arguing against something I never said I just said they're nowhere near comparable to LeBron skill-wise which is the truth.
It’s not always about the stats. It’s the pure love of the game to compete at the highest level. MJ and Kobe did that it resonated with us fans. LeBron, as skilled as he is, lacks the important piece mentally.
This was extremely embarrassing to watch so the guy who blew a 3-1 lead in the first round complained quit on his team in game 7 has all the heart but LeBron who has the greatest comeback in nba finals history coming back from 3-1 vs a team that won 73 games LeBron has came back 0-1 OkC finals 2012 0-2 Pistons 2007 2-1 Celtics 2018 3-2 Spurs 2013 3-1 Warriors 2016 is the quitter because a game in his 16 season in Feb in the regular season even though he won the championship the next year man stop talking basketball LeBron haters get dumber by the day
I don’t fuck with LeBron now but as a kid watching him play live on the Heat was incredible and almost inspirational. Obviously we would never be able to catch lobs like the guy but I remember as he was hitting fadeaways on us just looking at my friends and saying “I got a new move I’m trying tomorrow” lol So I could only imagine what it would be like seeing Kobe or Mike play live.
I respect LeBron's accomplishments, but I'm not a fan. I hated the Bulls, despised Jordan since he beat Georgetown in '82, but I have to respect him. I admire Kobe; 'Mamba Mentality' is a muse. I would play with Kobe. LeBron's numbers may eclipse them, but his impact on the game never will.
Exactly. Note how all the Lebron fans don't even watch the games. They get all their news/stats from their Instagram feeds. Literally the definition of brainwash lol. If people actually watched the games you'd see who had a better overall impact. Numbers aren't anything without context.
I've seen all 3 play in their primes I can tell you all their differences.. Jordan was quicker then both Kobe and Lebron, and could jump higher...The most explosive dunker compared to the other two..He was the better mid range shooter, the better perimeter defender, he had bigger hands to steal the ball, would move players with his hand, and was the more clutch player in the 4th quarter, him and Kobe are the same being clutch at the free throw line.. Jordan is the weakest 3 point shooter out of the 3. Lebron is by far the strongest player...He's the best player that can drive to the basket of all time...the best shot blocker out of the 3, the best 3 point shooter out of the 3, the better rebounder and passer out of the 3. He's the weakest comparing clutch free throws, clutch overall is weaker than Jordan or Kobes. Kobe....Simply the king of making impossible shots...Shit that doesn't show up on a stat sheet, I've never seen someone get double, triple teamed and make the shots he did, did it fading away. He had the most moves out of the 3, had probably the best footwork then the other two. He had Hakeem's post moves, and Jordan's fade away. 2nd in clutch from this group.. He's the best post defender out of Jordan and Lebron. Kobe was the worst team mate though from this group, and the worst pure shooter on paper because he took so many ridiculously tough shots..
Crazy I saw all three play to and Kobe is a better shooter than MJ and defender as well Kobe didn't have rodman Harper pippen to allow him to coast on defense and get easy steals .. MJ would get torched by quick players Kobe didn't 😂 just say you lik mj more only thing MJ has over Kobe is slightly more hops
Kobe fans think their FEELINGS are more important than FACTS. Jordan's RESUME and NUMBERS destroy Kobes. It's so bad that Jordan literally beats Kobe IN EVERY STATISTICAL CATEGORY in the playoffs and finals. Including three point%. So just stop this nonsense before ya get Kobe embarrassed trying to compare him to Jordan buddy 😂
@@TruthSerum-b7oMJ is the GOAT but check MJ 1996-1998 playoff runs to Kobe’s 2008-10 playoff runs very similar stat wise got to remember Kobe played in the dead ball lowest scoring era in NBA history his whole career which started around MJs 2nd 3peat while MJ got to play in high scoring 1980s-early 90s
@davis2k1234 Here we go with this stupid shit. Jordan beats Kobe in EVERY STATISTICAL CATEGORY IN THE PLAYOFFS AND FINALS. Every single one. Jordan's regular season stats are better than Kobes. Jordan's accolades DESTROYS Kobes. So FOH trying to have a Jordan vs Kobe debate in any way. If Jordan was a Budweiser Kobe would be Bud Light. STOP THIS NONSENSE. 😂😂
@@TruthSerum-b7o I’m not debating it MJ is by far the best player ever period no one comes close I’m just pointing out something that box score/stat Kobe haters don’t take into account that Kobe played in lowest scoring most defensive NBA his entire career why I said check MJs 1996-98 playoffs stats almost same as Kobe’s from 2008-10 so not like it’s crazy talk to at least compare
Ppl who clown MJ wizards years miss the big picture..he proved he can play with the young bucks and keep in mind Tmac AI Kobe VC etc were in their primes
Jordan is the Perfect Athlete...he had zero flaws...they literally called this guy black Jesus. No career ever in the history of any sport known to man can or will beat it.
If longevity rebounds assist and blocks don't matter then i understand why LeBron is not the greatest. I personally have Bron Jordan Kareem in that order
Lebron has no one on one game and has no aggression on defense in situations where he should. Lebron's production comes from being just an absolute force of nature running the court but he's mentally not even in the same ball park compared to the greats
How when he has one of the best iqs the league has ever seen. My thing is don’t act like he’s not top 5 in assist and he’s up there with elite passers and pass first point guards.
@givemesometime8405 I agree hes probably the most physically gifted athlete who's ever played basketball and like I said is a literal force of nature when he's in transition but he still lacks that assertiveness that Kobe and Jordan had when it matters most
@ I don’t think we watched the same player. I’ve seen LeBron do crazy stuff during win or go home series countless times. Kobe isn’t anywhere near LeBron and mjs level. Even Phil Jackson said it. Kobe was a gunslinger Hero ball type of player. MJ was simply perfect if you ask me he did everything right and he looked beautiful. LeBron is a freak of nature with the brain of magic. And LeBron and MJ was WAYY more efficient and had better IQ than Kobe.
@givemesometime8405 if you can't separate the facts from nonsense that's on you bruh but your analysis is way off. There's about 10 more players I would take over lebron that's how far off he is from Jordan and kobe
thats why lebron still play at his age cuz he dont use 100 % in every game every moment some way its smart , but in other is ...shit cuz from guys like him , we expect amazing things
You need some atmospheric art for your podcasting background. Plain empty walls are just so plain and empty, and therefore are dull and do not promote intellectual engagement in my opinion.
They’ve all quit to different degrees in games, with LeBron’s being more recent to memory for most. Never say never or always about players giving maximum effort, nobody is perfect. But that is the standard LeBron is held to following them.
If Lebron goes on a scoring binge in the 3rd, knowing he'll sit out the 4th in a losing effort, people will say, "How selfish, he's just padding his stats... ...oh, my bad, they say that anyway...
MJ would’ve been my Goat If he’d at least made one final in the strong 80’s era . The fact that he had to wait for the league to get so weak to start winning while being the only one in the 90’s with a superteam , is the reason Is number 2 for me . Bron went trough hell and never had a winning system around him . He always had to create one and carry so much load . When Bron beat the warriors , he was Jordan+pippen +rodman at the same time and the warriors knew that Bron was about to smoke them for the next 3 years so Steph curry the third best player in the league went to beg to Durant the second best player in the league to join his 73 win team to beat this man . Bron Is the goat and it’s not even close if you have a brain .
Thanks for being honest and no as a Laker fan its not hard at all to not love LBJ or I'll say barely tolerate him. I already didn't want him to come to the Lakers but gave him a chance and when I watched how he treated the young core and did the opposite of lead them my suspicions were concerned. He wanted to trade everything for AD and I was like "can we trade Lebron for AD?" Then that year when the trade deadline was over he was like "don't worry I'll turn on playoffs mode to get us into the playoffs". That was the most anti-mamba thing he could say. Kobe was always in playoff mode. He would hate losing on special occasion nights. On nights when Lebron is about to pass somebodys record we're 1-6 or something like that. He's focused on the moment he oasses someone. AD even called that out and why he doesnt like those games.
LeBron had just came back from his worst injury of his career. Literally the second game back & they were getting blown out in a regular season game with no change at making the playoffs. No reason to be out there risking injury again. You wanna talk about effort? How about the having the best comeback of all time in the nba finals? The best block of all time to go with it. Probably the best effort play you’ll ever see. He also overcame a 26 point deficit without Kyrie & Love in the playoffs. That one bad game is nothing compared to what LeBron has done over the years cmon now lol
Wilt Kareem an Mj are my 40 years of courtside live top players take since 60s! Magic, Bird, Kobe, Oscar, Dr.J Hakeem, Moses, Russell, Shaq round out my top 12 6 0f 12 are the Bigs! Queen James is top 75! 6th at small forward! Grew up in 60s 70s! My top players are from all decades with Kobe being the last know 1 player today makes top 12 ! Defense today keeps any offensive great now out of top 25!!!
Watching u talk about that Lakers game made me realize that we tend to forgot about bad games our favorite players have. I completely forgot about the Pacers v Lakers game just how u probably forgot about game 7 of the 2006 playoffs. That being said tho is not fair to use as comparison since u just got unlucky but the same could be said for any other player🤷🏾♂️.
If you stop LeBron career at 35 years old you have a different picture. Kobe and Mike both only won with the Greatest Coach Phil Jackson. LeBron unfortunately never was fortunate to have Phil Jackson like Mike and Kobe. Kobe 2006 playoffs game 7 against The Suns quit on his team and didn't shoot the Rock. How about get the Lakers to trade Shaq and the makes Phil Jackson retire. Then without Shaq and without Phil coaching keeps loosing and gives up and demands to be traded to the Clippers. Also look at Kobe's NBA Finals stats only in 2008 his only MVP season he has a good performance in the Finals. So let's be real when actually comparing a 18 year old who wasn't good enough to start versus one who won Rookie of the Year and was an all star at 18.
Man go sit down somewhere.. LeFlop James had more help than any other super star in the NBA... He also had a great coach in E Spo in Miami and wanted him fired in his 1st in Miami.. LeBum is a cancer..
He didn't quit he became a play maker because the media claimed he was a ball Hogg and they would do better if he got his team involved and that's what he did and his teammates where getting open shots and bricking
Kobe had 23PTs in the 1st half of that game such a dumb narrative Phil wanted him to pass more and shot less so he did not to mention the Suns were up by 40PTs I guess he should done what Lebron did in thisn blowout Finals vs GSW and Spurs in 2014 and stat padded down 30pts in 2nd half’s
Greatest by definition of the word can only be ONE, not 2, and certainly not 3! The other 2 can be a great but only 1 MJ is the greatest. So just make up your mind and choose who's the no.1, the GOAT, that's it.
Im sorry my experience is better than yours and you decided out of all times of being a Kobesexual to finally go to one LeBron game when he's getting old and past his prime. I learn to appreciate all three of these goats because I love the game of basketball.
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I'm a Lakers fan and I can't stand Lebron. He's a self-proclaimed GOAT. He's not even in my Top 5. I've been a Lakers fan since Showtime Lakers of the 80's. I can acknowledge that Micheal Jordan is the GOAT. The Closest to MJ is Kobe Bryant.
EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY and oh Yes I'm a " HATER " but all i ask is tht he had PLAYED the Game with some DIGNITY and hey he wudve had all the RESPECT in the World. The thing is He Acts like a Championship doesn't mean anything but yet he left Cleveland who he was doing good with bcse of all the times he took them to the Finals and went to MIA to join up with Wade n Bosh and wht did he say in the Interview they're gonna win Not 1 Not 2 Not 3 Not 4 Not 5 Not 6 etc and if the Rings dnt mean a thing 😂😂😂😂 a mean why did he act tht way aftr being the first Cup Champions ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Yow him and his fans need to MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES 😂😂😂😂
That’s like after bron 6 year in Cleveland they build a statue outside and Put Lebron the Greatest of all time without him ever winging shit that’s what the 80s n 90s did built someone who didn’t achieve shit but blow everyone mind with how high he can jump n how long he stays in the “Air” smh just a bunch of old Sword Swallowers hating on bron cause there’s a legitimate conversation bout is he the best to ever do it al stats point at yes
Lebron is the most embarrassing superstar in sport history but some or ya'll wanna put his name up there with the best of all time?? STOP THE DELUSION!
I would disagree about how he saying effort a little bit of shade is being thrown when a man has played over 20 straight years consistently and half of his career has been spent in the NBA finals I would think he knows what to do despite NBA Finals records that is defined by team in winning and losing and then mention Kobe losing to the Pacers giving effort well let me remind you sir in a playoff game not a regular season game LeBron James led the Cleveland Cavaliers on a comeback after being down by 26 points to the Indiana Pacers without his number two or number three best player on the court that's effort in a meaningful game that is dealing with elimination see my man LeBron James is playing chess not checkers in order to make it to 8 straight NBA finals it takes a lot of sacrifice and maneuvering and strategy especially when dealing with different teammates out and in plus lineup changes but LeBron James is the king because he remains the constant factor of dominance incredible all around ability and basketball IQ
Leastern Conference Lebron fans act like him making the finals is him winning the finals. He's a "1 man army" that is the GOAT up until the finals everytime where he crumbles under pressure 😂 Does it surprise you his last ring is a mickey mouse ring with no audience watching?
Nikola Jokic even did better than lebron. He had no allstars on his team and just won a chip. Lebron had like 6 chances to do that and failed everytime lol. He was also saved by Ray Allen. He's literally 3-7 if he doesn't hit that shot. MJ was always the one hitting those shots. Also, even his most iconic play in 2016 "BLOCKED BY JAMES" was off his own bricked 3 point attempt lol
Dont care how yall put down bron. Dude single handedly carry Cleveland to the finals and came to lakers and put them back on the map the last 6 years. Thats why hes the goat to me .
Jordan and Bryant were more loyal to their teams. I know Jordan played with Cash as well, but that's only because the Bulls owner wasn't loyal to him. Then, he became part owner of Washington. Personally, I respect Dirk more than Lebron. I loved Lebron in both Cleveland runs. His win over the 72-10 Warriors team was amazing! Other than that, he combined joined with other superstars to win. Kobe had to take a back seat to Shaq early in his career. I have always wondered what Jordan's career would have been if he started at 18 and joined a Moses Malone. I think that after Shaq left, Kobe became what Jordan was in the 80s. A high usage rate on a bad team. Then, he was willing to do what Jordan did in the 90s. Trust his teammates more. But he couldn't three-peat like Jordan did. So, Jordan over Kobe.
2007 asked to be traded on Stephen A smith Radio Show and stated that he wouldn't return. The only reason he was still on the team was because the Lakers refused to trade him.
Understandable where you coming from and great breakdown but what about Detroit where he scored 24 straight he didn't give up that night come on bro you're taking one experience and then your Watchers are going to run with that so this was Boo Boo
three fan bases jordan fans..toxic and still lives in the past and treat jordan like a God.. kobe fans..just a photocopy of jordan fans.. lebron fans..stat chasers and just as blind as jordan and kobe fans combined😅
Wizards Jordan was underrated when you go back and watch those games and series you begin to understand the game more or maybe missed somethings you didn’t see or understand.
Wizard Mj was 🗑. He took 20+shots a game, low efficiency and about 20+ times scored less than 10. Lebron could never play like that and not criticized.
@ young man where’s the proof he took 20 shots for 20 points liar stop capping either you don’t know Basketball and the era’s or your capping, averaging 22.9 points per game to go along with 5.7 rebounds, 5.2 assists, and 1.4 steals. He shot 41.6 percent from the floor, Not bad.
@@Sldumas1983 first off I'm almost 50 my man. Since when did shooting 41% wasn't bad? Since when did shooting 22.9 fga per game while losing wasn't bad? Lebron Only has 1 season in 22 seasons shooting more than 22.9 fga. Mj in his Wizard years was taking more shots per game than prime Vince Carter, Kobe and Tmac. Mj had 2 phases in his career where he stat padded and didn't care about winning that his fanboys want to ignore. Early in his career he was chucking up 25-28 shots every game while his teams was getting punished, and then those Wizard years he was chucking up shots and didn't care about his teammates being involved to win games. In fact it was so bad all his Wizard teams is on record and hate him. If Mj Wizard years are underrated then you should have no problem saying that about any player chucking up shots and losing
@ your age has nothing to do with it sir and your giving me numbers sir, Most hoopers that played in that era know and say MJ gave work yes it’s not what he was but you ack like he was shooting bricks and and was not still playing defense make your point make sense Mr. 50
@@Sldumas1983 i gave numbers because numbers 99% of the time don't lie. What you gave is your opinion backed up by non facts. You backed your own opinion up with what "they" say which is more opinion. If you ask players from different eras who is the goat they most likely will say the players from their era. Example is Dr J recently said his goat is Kareem. My point is everyone don't agree with you or me and it's why for me I use numbers because its the only thing that has no opinion. The number 1 don't change no matter what era or generation so you using Mj Wizard numbers when you compare it to others especially Lebron at 39 or 40 don't compare especially when you throw in efficiency, and expectations. Mj to me was a statpadder most of his career including his Wizard years based on his efficiency, volume selection, impact, and expectations of his team winning. He is the only all time great player that people try to make excuses for and is giving a perception that's unreal
Clearly another hater video MJ & Kobe have had shitty games too lol MJ fans don't trash Kobe & Kobe fans because he didn't get to MJ status plus his play style is similar but MJ fans go out their way to trash LBJ & LBJ fans because they feel he's a threat to their favorite player and the truth is year by year the debate is real MJ & Kobe are SG they're meant to focus on score LBJ can score pass and do so many other things too and has done it throughout the years that's why he's up on top of so many stats
Two of them are winners when it counts case in point both Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant have a combine record of 11 wins and only 2 losses in the Finals Michael Jordan is 6 wins and 0 losses and Kobe has a 5 wins and 2 losses. What is Lefraud James record in the Finals ? 4 wins and 6 losses a loosing record. he also have a loosing playoff record in his career up until this point too.
This's the greatest lie ever told. This's extremely slothful at best. 2000 Kobe Bryant average 15.6 points 35% field goal percentage and scored 2 points in one of these games. You're credited him for this series. I dare you try to talk about Game 5.
Kobe bryant is the only player in the Top 15, where his teams win when he plays bad consistently in big games, like the Finals, Game 7s, and elimination games. Where is his killer mentality?
Ok weighing in as I’ve seen all of these players live on TV … so old enough to compare/contrast: 1. On kobe: a full copy cat of MJ …. No originality and basically modeled his game (and mannerism eg speech) after Mike .. a bit pathetic if you ask me …. And lacked maturity and leadership that Mike had all along 2. LJ: similar to magic but more athletic … great all around game … however lacks clutch gene 3. MJ … simply put the GOAT OF GOATS … y’all can battle for 2nd place: Phelps, pele, Messi, Federer, Hamilton, woods, Brady, etc … it’s NOT EVEN CLOSE …. From stats, to skills, to culture, to fundamentally changing the game, to global impact - it’s MJ … go to Vietnam, Africa, or Russia: it’s MJ
Yeah Bron ain’t no Goat his whole career was media driven and if you watch film cut off the sound and watch Bron play he is standing on defense doing nothing flopping and has the highest turnovers in history also he is 4-6 in the finals with a Disney ring😂 give me MJ, Wilt and Kobe.
@ No it shows you don’t understand Basketball and the era’s sir maybe you understand to a certain level but you always find something new about the game from yesteryears and now. You’re looking at numbers I am looking with the eyes and understanding the politics aka context of the game and the players.
@Sldumas1983 Unfortunately, the eye test is by far the worst way to evaluate a player. It's predicated on preference based construe. We as humans spend most of our day in perception. Thousand of people each year were exonerated because of empirical evidence like DNA because the eye witnesses were incorrect about what they saw. This's the Fusiform region of the Occipital lobe of the brain, which is based upon perception, preference, pronostication, etc. A company trying to grow their company wouldn't use an eye test. They would use statistical significance test to evaluate their company.
You attempted to imply LeBron James turnovers. Let's take a look at his blunders compared to greatness. Most missed shoots in the playoffs. Most missed shoots in the regular season. Most turnovers in the playoffs in total. Most turnovers in the regular season. Most points in the playoffs. Most points in the regular season. Most steals in the playoffs. Most defensive rebounds in the playoffs. Only player to average 25 points in 20 straight seasons. Only player to average 25 points 6 rebounds 6 assists in 20 straight seasons. Only player to lead both teams in points, rebounds, and assists in the Finals. Only player to lead both teams in every major statistical categorize, points, rebounds, assist, blocks, and in the playoffs and the Finals. Only player to lead 3 different teams to a championship and to be Finals Mvp on all 3 teams. Only player to score 41 points and back to back elimination games in the Finals. Only player to average a triple double in the finals. Only player to score 39 points 10 rebounds 10 assists in 6 3pointer in a game. Only player to average 25 points 7 rebounds 8 assists 54% field goal percentage 41 % from the 3-point line in a season. Most clutch points in the regular season. Most clutch points in the playoffs. Most clutch 3-pointer shots in the regular season. Most clutch 3-pointer shots in the playoffs. Most game winning shots in the regular season. Most game winning shots in the playoffs. Most buzzer beats in the playoffs. Most all-star appearances 20x Most all nba teams 20x. Most first team all nba 13x Most times, it finishes top 5 Mvp voting 15x. Highest winshare per/48 in a playoffs run .399. Highest offensive win shares in playoffs history. Highest PER ever in the playoffs with at least 10 games 37.4. Only player to record 2000 points 500 rebounds, 500 assists 100 steals in 4 straight regular seasons. Only player to record 2000 points 500 rebounds 500 assists 100 steals in 8x seasons. Only player to score 30k points 10k rebounds and 10k assists in a career. Only player to score 40k 11k assists 11k rebounds in a career. Only player to score 30 points on 60% from the field in 6 straight games. Only players score 600 points 150 and 200 rebounds in a playoffs run. Only player score 700 points 150 rebounds 200 rebounds in a playoffs run. Most 40-point games in a playoffs run. Only player to average 34 points 9 rebounds 9 assists in a playoffs run. Only player to record 25 points 10 rebounds 7 assists in 7x different Finals Series. Most 30-point games in the regular season. Most 20-point games in the regular season. Most 30-point games in the playoffs. Most 20-point games in the playoffs. Most 40-point triple doubles in the playoffs. Most 40-point triple doubles in the regular season. Most 20-point triple double in the playoffs. Most games lead his team in points, rebounds, and assist. Only players to be top 10 in points, rebounds, assists, blocks , steals, and 3pointer playoffs. Only player who is top 10 in points, assist , steals, and 3pointer in regular season. One of 2 players to win an MVP 4 out of 5 seasons. Most players of the week awards. Most players of the week awards
@ My point Lebron fanboy your numbers that’s not just Basketball like I said era’s this is the weakest what Centers did Lebron face that was Hall Of Fame huh ? Why does he only have 5 First team defense 21 yrs 😆 why does he need Top 75 and other leaders of teams to build a Super Team stop talking Basketball please.
I believe LeBron and his media team has trashed his legacy. I used to admire him when he was just an amazing player,but with ths goat shit and prearranged interviews people started to hate on him.
100%. If he let his game do the talking and not trying to boost himself I think we would all see a different player for sure.
He could have been known as the phenom that wasn't obsessed with winning (like Jordan or Kobe) and no family drama. It would have brought about discussions of a possible balance between greatness & stability. Cuz Kobe & MJ love them but definitely not sane people.
@@goofywill90huh ?
LeBron James has played in the NBA for 22 seasons and has only won 3 championships, his dribbling skills and frequent traveling violations are the reason why he is 3-6 in my opinion. I’m from West Los Angeles, I have been to VIP parties promoted by players on the Lakers, I have personally spent a bar hopping night with Hall of Fame NBA players and Hall of Fame NFL players, I do not view the Bubble Summer Camp Cup as an authentic valid NBA championship. There are 12 Million people that live in Los Angeles and 20-25 Million in Los Angeles County along with Orange County and San Diego: the Pure Lakers Fanbase. Yet Lebron couldn't even get the city to watch him in a Bubble during California infamous statewide Covid shutdown and restrictions. His highlights often include plays of him traveling, carrying, or offensive charging, he has an adherence to fundamental basketball rules.
The NBA’s current marketing strategies, which heavily promote LeBron as the “face of the league,” prioritize commercial interests over basketball performance. This focus on branding, supported by partnerships with companies like Nike, detracts from the competitive nature of the NBA. Ironically, Lebron is the face of Nike and their sales and prestige has plummeted the same as the NBA. Yet, they can't see the data, fans and trends.
All of the present NBA players are constantly injured because of Performance Enhanced LeBron. His NFL running back style of play, combined with changes in officiating, and officials allowing him to run over players has reduce the strategic and skill-based aspects of the sport.
The introduction of the NBA’s “play-in tournament” is a way to increase engagement by giving Lebron and Los Angeles Free Throw Takers additional chances to reach the playoffs. This is shift away from the league’s traditional competitive framework.
Finally, fans are dissatisfied with media coverage of the NBA, because it is biased toward Lebron and the Lakers. This focus has contributed to a perception that the league prioritizes Lebron over competitive balance, which has affected overall viewership and enthusiasm for the NBA.
22 seasons 3 rings = 1 ring every 7 seasons is not greatness and below average
Agreed, the goat thing is good for fans and media to debate but Lebron and his fan base seem desperate to push a narrative. He no longer seems authentic.
If 6-0 is nothing to yall LeBron fans. Michael Jordan is also the only player in NBA history to win regular season MVP, a scoring title, first team all-defensive player, a finals MVP, and a championship all in one season. Jordan did this 4 times. Yes, 4 times.
Michael Jordan is also the only player to win a scoring title and defensive player award in the same season. Jordan did this 6 times.
Nice individual statistics, this makes him the second best player in history. But yes, you can't deny that he's the mordern Goat.
@@thewatercooler2 don't know what you drinking, but I'm not gonnah overlook juicing. After you watch Jordan vs Lebron - The Best GOAT Comparison by DANGERProductions, let us know if Facts change your mind.
@@thewatercooler2 I don’t know who your goat is, but I do know he didn’t have 👆
You might want to check your last statement. Jordan only won defensive player of the year award once.
Jordan and kobe are the goats but I would never inflate their stats .. MJ only has 1 dpoy far from 6x
I was fortunate enough to watch ALL 3 play their entire careers. MJ was a different animal, no flaws game wise, the ultimate competitor, and loved the game of basketball. He even had a one of a kind "love of the game" clause in his contact that gave him the right to play a game of pick-up ball anywhere or anytime he chose. Kobe was MJ with a little more flare. Same mentality, same drive, same love of the game. MJ saw himself in Kobe and was a mentor and brother to Kobe. They had respect for each other. They played regardless of illness or injuries. They both have said that they dont take games off because there might be a kid in the stands that came to see them play and would never have the opportunity to see them play again. That's respect for the fans. When Lebron came into the league, he wanted the relationship with MJ that Kobe had. However, MJ saw right through lebron. Snubbed him from the beginning because he knew lebron was a one trick pony and a bully. Lebron got to the top of the mountain by being lifted up, not by climbing up. Cutting corners of the game and cheating the game and fans has done him no favors. With his lack of humility and respect for the game, the ones that came before him doesn't warrant much respect at all. No respect earned, so no respect given.
Same here, which is why it’s pretty obvious that the only people who actually believe LeBron is the best ever, are too young to truly understand the difference. He’s a great player no doubt, but not in the upper echelon of competitors. Kobe on the other hand had that insane determination within him, so he has my utmost respect. Jordan, oh man, it was an entirely different experience. The most ruthless, talented, fundamental, and athletic player I’ve ever seen…..by a long shot.
The Lebron James, hater manifesto.
Can't we just appreciate basketball without hating a person that is currently still carrying the NBA.
Label it as you wish. Doesn't change the fact its the truth@@Progen1A
@@sammy_trixcan't you just except a critique as that. Why you people assume opinions or beliefs different from your is always "hate". The word has lost its power today because of the misappropriation usage of the word. Congratulations. People just running there mouths now. Blah, blah, blah
James commits one of the cardinal sins in NBA history the man load manages in the game on defense, that is a lack of commitment to compare him to Jordan or Kobe two of the greatest 2-way players ever is beyond delusional
Everyone is ignoring the elephant in the room. A 240 pounds, athlete jumping and running for 20 plus seasons, with no serious knee injuries is not possible. He's clearly cheating the sport.
@@mikjord running? Try watching the games from the last few years. He ain't even WALKING FAST let alone running🤣
Tha baby goat 🐐 James
defense were great like
GOAT JORDAN was until
9 or 10 yrs later his defense
got terrible after that but
yet he'z still better than kobe
THO
@@mikjorddo you think it will ever come to light? And what will the fallout be like if it does?
Are you serious? Def3nce ? Because he is 36-40 years old? 😂 I've bet Mj an Kobe can't do defence in 36 years old. But they didn't make it until 40s so.
MJ was such a competitor. I live in Vancouver and saw that infamous game when Darrick Martin was trash talking MJ with the Grizzlies up in the 4th quarter. MJ being MJ took over the game as he almost single handedly won the game for the Bulls. We all heard the stories about what he did and said to Darrick Martin, to never ever talk trash to MJ. It was a meaningless game in the middle of winter in a year the Bulls won 72 games against a very bad Grizzles team and MJ showed up. The arena was jumping and was an experience i'll never forget.
Absolutely 💯 facts. We saw the best and the accolades stats eye test and the 3peats proves it. MJ ❤4ever the GOAT periodt
Jordan proved Jerry Krause is the GOAT
@@Visual_GhoulJerry Krause>Letrash James…Facts!!
MJ is the goat 🐐 no contest
LeChina is a sellout... when M.J or Kobe played the game had magic... shoot i remember family would get together on a wed to watch a laker game!... now ... that magic is gone
MJ was a master Jazz musician, fundamentally amazing with the ability to improv over anything that came along. Kobe was a master classical musician, fundamentally amazing, studied and practiced enough to play anything that has already happened a few times in history, and Lebron is just a garage band musician, fundamentally flawed and really not very good, but happens to have amazing gear, so he can get people to play with him, until they realize how flawed he is, then all they want to do is not jam with him any more.
Damn. Awesome analogy
I know Dlo is happy to be off that Lakers roster lmao
Michael is the Flute player who took basketball into new heights
Kobe is a piano player who utilize more skill to his game
LeBron is the drummer who learned to facilitate.
How can anyone consider someone who losses 6x in the finals to be their GOAT? like wtf?
Because he called himself the GOAT so it must be true! 😂
Because he made it to the finals 6 times in a row. That is a crazy feat. He's not a 1on1 player and that is what people be missing. Y'all don't understand basketball. What type of teams did he drag to those finals, they shouldn't even have been there. Y'all think he wasn't tired? Just him basically verses entire teams full of legends? Think.
@@Despot-vd3rz exactly, MJ still my goat but all these old heads hating lebron for no reason saying he has not heart, bro literally willed the cavs back from being down 3-1 against one of the greatest teams ever. Lebron missed out on so many rings because the warriors were just cheesing. He also took some really bad cavs teams all the way to the finals.
Saw three of them. And if I judge by my own without minding the paid narratives and propaganda.
Easily MJ top 1.
Kobe top 2 or 3.
Bron top 8 or 9.
Not even close. But you gotta hand it to Lebron, he pushed himself to the top 2 of blind followers by paying media and setting up narratives. Dude can be a good politician. But basketball-wise not even close. Its funny to see his fans defend him tho
What makes your opinion any more right than people who saw them play and got mj then bron? Because realistically Kobe is the only guy who is barely top 5. People only put Kobe behind mj because. 1. They don’t like lebron. 2. They play alike. 3. Because he died. There’s barely a case for Kobe to be Barely anybody ACTUALLY thinks Kobe is 2, especially behind bron, and Kareem. Y’all always like to highlight brons low moments, and sweep aside his highlights in his career. Y’all like to bring up how the media makes looks good. But if y’all think the media doesn’t also tear this man asunder at every mistake he makes way more then you’re bugging . You mj/kobe fans acting like y’all got imaginary beef with the man and that shi. Bron is the only player in nba history who had the highest expectations and still managed to exceed them.
@Quazy3 sorry i hurted your feelings. Just speaking facts
@ I like how you respond emotionally. Good girl😂💯
@@Quazy3 Yes bud you’re correct. Lebron is behind MJ. He’s top11 all time.😂
@@Quazy3they get amnesia when their favorite players lowlights get brought up. Lmao Kobe blew not 1 but 2 3-1 leads. And he shot his team out of countless playoff games and finals. MJ also quit on the game sure he came back but he quit if he was true to the game he wouldn’t have quit. And again LeBron Kobe and MJ all have completely different body types and play styles.
Balco is just for the Modern NBa marketing. Can't compare a 6 times NBA finals loser to 6 time NBA champ with no losses and 5 time nBA champ with only 2 losses in Physical defensive era of NBa as Alpha and Co alpha.
626 games without losing 3 in a row. Enough said, there's no goat competition.
Bill Russell 11 rings in 13 seasons never had a losing season and only lost only playoff series not injured
@melvynsngltn27 against 8 teams. He played 963 games total. Two-thirds of that is the number of games the Bulls played without losing 3 in a row. Bill also played along with 7 hall of famers. He was very good but there's no comparison.
@@omysadat It isn't 100% clear Mr. Russell was even the best player on his own team all of the time
There's only two Goats in Modern NBA and they're Michael Jordan & Kobe Bryant. LEBUM is just a Clown Show
Give me a case as to why Kobe is top 5 let alone worse than bron and watch how silent you get.
Kobe got 8 seasons where he was 1st team offense and defense to mikes 9 and brons 5. That’s 2nd in nba history. He’s a better offensive player and defensive player and he’s a better winner. Bron got the numbers mikre got the numbers and accolades on Kobe but Kobe right behind Mike. Of all the players w three or more rings u know the players who matter, Mike is the only player better than Kobe on defense and maybe offense. Kobe took a one time all star no all nba selections pau gasol w him to win 2-3 and got back to back rings. Bron needed at least 2or three all stars to win all his chips except the bubble w another superstar in AD. Magic Kareem Mike russle wilt Duncan Shaq none of these players went to three straight finals without another superstar let alone win back to back finals or even won 1 ring,. and Kobe is a better offensive and defensive player than all of them except Mike. He got 12all defensive selections tied w Duncan but 9 are 1st team tied w Mike for best all time. While having 5 rings 3or which he was w prime Shaq where in their playoff run he only avg 1less point than Shaq while facilitating the offense being their best defender and closing out games for them cuz Shaq couldn’t shoot free throws. They don’t get 3rings if they have no closer cuz Shaq couldn’t do it. While Shaq was playing w Kobe he was calling Kobe the best player in the league. A finals record of 5-7 his peers Duncan iverson Shaq and dirk call him the best player of their era. He saved lebronze James in the Olympics when coach k had to call in the best player in the league to help teach them how to win. W Kobe they won gold and were 36-0. In the gold medal game the guy who calls himself the goat disappeared in the fourth quarter like usual and Kobe made or assisted on all the points down the stretch to win the game. Kobe is a better winner offensive player and defensive player than everyone except Mike and maybe Russel as far as winning and defense but yea not top 5 top 2 and then there’s a gap between him and Mike and everyone else cuz nobody can guard Mike or Kobe and stop them from scoring and they don’t need much help to win rings and their the fiercest competitors they’ll die to win the game
Also while lebron was sleep walking his way to the finals in the easy eastern league Kobe year after year had to go through the gauntlet of the western league. Lebron shouldn’t even be in the top 10 let alone mentioned in the same breath with Jordan and Kobe.
@@Quazy3 Where’s your reply? I thought you said you will silence the man?
@@SESSHOUMARU11 first of all. How many times was Kobe top 3 in dpoy ratings?? Kobe and mj are not better offensively than bron. Unless you think offense is all about scoring(which is not) Bron is a top 3-5 playmaker of all time. The playmaking gap is way too huge for mj and Kobe to be better at overall offense. Also, Was Kobe a winner when he shot chucked his team into getting swept, or was mj a winner when he was shooting a shit ton of fga just to lose to be swept. Mj had the career he had because Phil Jackson corrected his game and the front office got him the pieces he needed, he had one of the best defending pgs one of the best spot up shooting pgs, a top 5 small forwards, an extremely good rim protector/defender in Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman, and a very decent bench around him. While Kobe had shaq for his first 3 chips which he wasn’t getting had he not had the literal most dominant player at the time on his team. Don’t forget how he threatened to leave the lakers if they didn’t get him the pieces he wanted. Kobe would’ve did exactly what lebron did in leave his team because the front office refused to get him any pieces to help benefited him. Although I highlight mjs and Kobe’s short comings, I didn’t forget about 2011 it’s by far his worse finals performance but Kobe and mj has had horrible performances like that in the playoffs but unlike bron they came short in the playoffs instead of the finals, oh wait, Kobe 04 performance when he wanted to play hero ball point being, kobe and mj aren’t as perfect as you think they are. There is not almost no case for Kobe over lebron. I personally think bron and mj are interchangeable because of what mj did against way less competition. But Kobe should not be mentioned in the same breath as top 2 or 3. And never with lebron.
Lebron is the leading scorer, is on the leaderboard for nearly every stat, plays better interior d, has arguably the high basketball iq in nba history. More mvps, finals mvps, more all star appearances, more all nba first team. Was a top 2 in nba dpoy voting. With 1 less chip. And less all nba defensive team. So y’all can stop pretending like Kobe and mj were these perfect basketball players when they had horrible short comings too
If a career like this over Kobe’s doesn’t make him top 2 then idk what will. Mj or Kobe also never took a team as bad as the 07 cavs or the 18 cavs to the finals by himself. Kobe would’ve already left by year 6 lmao.
Could’ve written a lot more too.
If you like analytics, Jordan is #1 All-Time for the regular season AND the post-season in these areas: the leading scoring average, Player Efficiency Rating, Win Shares, Box+/-, VORP per game. By VORP, Jordan has 6 of the ten best seasons ever, and by game score he has 19 of the top 100 games since 1980.
With MJ and Kobe, when I'm watching them, i felt electrified. With Lebron, I laugh a lot, with the shoulder shrug whenever he scores but the opponent leads 20 points over them. I laugh at Lebron when he touches part of his body as an excuse of not making the basket. In short, with MJ and Kobe, I felt like I was watching an 4DX movie. With Lebron, as if I was watching a comedy movie.
This is an excellent video ! Thanks for sharing your perspective on these 3 players.
Lebron has no heart, period. And he shouldn't even be mentioned at the same level as MJ and Kobe.
Exactly. Lebron isn’t in the same category as MJ and Kobe.
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
10. Steph Curry
14. Kobe Bryant
15. Kevin Durant
Bleacher report doesn't even have Russell Westbrook top 20 player all time
When it's all said & done, this isn't even going to be a debate
LeBron vs Kobe:
Regular season: Playoffs:
PPG: LeBron PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron SPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron PER: LeBron
MVPs: LeBron Win Shares:
Win Shares: LeBron
LeBron. Plus/Minus:
Plus/Minus: LeBron
LeBron Rings: Kobe
WS/48: Finals Mvps:
LeBron LeBron
LeBron is a better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.6%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored
LeBron 40,474✔️
Kobe 33,643
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
3pointers made career
LeBron 2,410✔️ (8th all time)
Kobe 1827
Steals career
LeBron 2,275✔️ (8th all time)
Kobe 1,944
Blocks career
LeBron 1,111✔️
Kobe 640
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Defensive win shares
LeBron 80.71✔️ (10th all time)
Kobe 50.66
Career highs
Kobe 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoff points scored
LeBron 8,162✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 5,640
Playoff game winning buzzers beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
Shaq 38.0 ppg and 61.1% fg and 16 rebs
Kobe 15.6 ppg and 36.7% fg and 20% 3pt
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
Kobe 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
2011 NBA playoffs
Mavericks 4 Lakers 0
Dallas swept Kobe Bryant who was favorite to win series with home court advantage
@@DeanLowry-fp3ij Lebron is all about stats, empty calories. He has no heart to his game.
@@DeanLowry-fp3ijI'm sorry but bleacher report belongs exactly where the title states. It belongs with the bleachers in opinions
Bill Russell comes first on my list because he took team leadership first and made it Great. Russell is the defensive side of the coin. Michael is the head side. So it's a two way coin on who you like. Different perspectives. I take Russell because he took the concept of TEAM and made it greater as US. Not I.
Michael took team winning to new heights as a shooting guard which was the most average position that went against good centers. He changed the game by position and perfection to the game. Centers were always more important in basketball. But Jordan changed that when he proved to be a winner with low average centers as teammates.
Wilt is the overall Power house
The height, the speed, the agility, he only lacked free throws and dribbling. But if Wilt played today, no center would stop him. He was already shooting hook shots from 3pt range and shooting fade aways in his era.
Kareem is the double edge sword to wilt. Kareem's ability to perfect the hook shot and play under good teammates makes him a good overall center in balance of size and support in team winning
Tim Duncan. Rare power forward. Duncan technically was Mr fundamentals. Duncan wasn't as athletic as David Robinson but his heart to the game and fundamentals is why he should be in top 5 discussions. Not to mention he was head to head with the Lakers and shaq with Kobe.
Kobe Bryant. If you want to mention determination, hard work and skill. That's all Kobe. Kobe is average in athletic abilities. But his will power and work ethics surpasses greater athletes in his era. All legends need good teams and Kobe. We should disqualify him because he had Shaq.
Shaquille. Shaq is probably the most dominant center in strength and size. He made his whole game about dominance and not being able to be stopped in the paint.
Larry Bird. Larry Bird is the Greatest small forward in history before LeBron came along. Bird had the better team in 80s, anything Bird put his mind to doing he would do it as a shooter or overall small forward.
Magic Johnson. One of the greatest if not best facilitators of the game. Magic took what Pete maverich did and but he's 6ft9 and athletic. Playing all 5 positions and proof of it. Magic is one of the most perfect points guards you would want in hall of fame. Good passer too.
LeBron James. What makes LeBron great is overall longevity. That's physically and mentally to sustain records. LeBrons biggest asset is his court vision. As much as people may not give him props, LeBrons court vision is why he's a hard competitor. He's going to utilize the game as like a chess player. That means off the court in management too.
Dr J. Julius Irving is one of the most underrated legends people forget about.
Dr. J was basically Michael's favorite player before MJ took what he did and expanded on it.
Hakeem olajuwowon the best overall center footwork with dominance added to it. Hakeem still has unbelievable footwork.
No heart in his game based off what? Your opinion? You don’t do what Bron, Kobe, MJ, KAJ, or any of the greats have done if you don’t have heart. Stop chatting out your ass because you either don’t like him or you love the guys he’s compared to and feel he isn’t on their level.
There's no such thing as "3 GOATS". MJ is the GOAT. Kobe #2. LeFlop ~#15. I'll even give you 1A (Jordan) 1B Kobe
Bro there is also no such thing as 1a and 1b stuff..it’s Mike at 1, Kareem at 2, 3,45 is between magic, bird and Kobe. 6-10 has Russell, wilt, shaq, Duncan and Steph or Hakeem. Just my opinion though
Actually most would have bron in top 5 or 10 so Hakeem and Steph for 11 and 12
@@Ephilly-rz2pbI'm ASSUMING THAT LEBRICK IS IN YOUR TOP 10 THOUGH RIGHT? I PERSONALLY CAN'T STAND HIM, HIS STAT PADDING WHILST HE'S CONTINUOUSLY CHOKING IN BIG MOMENTS. ESPECIALLY FROM THE FREE THROW LINE. BECAUSE OF THE TOTALITY HIS BODY OF WORK HE HAS TO BE CONSIDERED SOMEWHERE NEAR THE TOP 45 WITHOUT BREACHING THE TOP 10 FOR SOME. I WAS PERSONALLY DONE WITH HIS DUMBASS WHEN HE PROCLAIMED THAT HE WAS "THE GOAT"!🐐 CERTAIN SPORTS FANS ARE KNOWN FOR BEING CRAZY, INSANE, ERRATIC, OVEREMOTIONAL, DELUSIONAL AND EVEN PIG-HEADED. BUT AND WHEN WE SPEAK "ABOUT YOU". OUR EARNEST DESIRE WOULD HONESTLY BE TO SAY IT TO YOUR DAMNED FACE 👀 AND LOOKING YOU DIRECTLY INTO YOUR EYES LIKE......."HERE YOU GO"!😎 NUFF SAID. FOR NOW.
It’s MJ
And I put Bird above Kobe.
Lebron gave up yesterday, walking to the locker room before the game was over
I do not have James in my top 10 at all what Centers did he dominate none of to many great players better than James like Bird, Magic, Wilt, Kareem , Kobe, Bill Russell, Tim Duncan, Hakeem, George Mikan, The fact that you as a player has to change your game to play with Bron but he can’t change his shows you who he is as a baller.
Mikan and russel😂
What's funny@@diegochavez6203
@@perennialviralbasketball24they are nowhere near close to Bron on a skill wise individually.
@@3ikyy "Skill" means nothing. You're using today's standard of the game where they can travel every single possession. Back then, if you even attempted the moves you'd get called fouls. You really think Kyrie and Luka would'nt get called for carries every single possesion? Long euros weren't even allowed. Movement was super restricted. Coaches didn't just let players shoot 100 threes a game. It was real, positional basketball. That's why they may appear to be "less skilled" or whatever you're trying to say. It was a completely different game and it's completely unfair to say they're unskilled, when in 30 years everyone will be saying that abt Lebron.
@@nickbalenzano8339 it's not even just about the moves or the rules but for example the fact that players can hit more of their shots at more efficient rates. The players of today are simply just better. Which is completely understandable it's not to put nothing against the older Legends but of course the future athletes are always going to be more skilled and better. And in the future I understand they're going to say this about our generation and it would be completely factual and true that our generation wouldn't be as skilled as the future generations of athletes. That's just completely true and how sports evolve. And nowhere did I say they were unskilled you are arguing against something I never said I just said they're nowhere near comparable to LeBron skill-wise which is the truth.
2011 finals showed me who Bron was 😂
1 mediocre finals out of 10 appearances? you are beyond delusional LOL. What did the 2013 finals or 2016 finals show you?
The GOAT, the Black Mamba, the media's sweetheart
Lebron should never be mentioned in the same sentence with Jordan and Kobe. Lebron not even better than magic Johnson
Neither is Kobe. Both Kobe and LeBron are the two most overrated players ever
This is the best take ive ever heard on youtube…
It’s not always about the stats. It’s the pure love of the game to compete at the highest level. MJ and Kobe did that it resonated with us fans. LeBron, as skilled as he is, lacks the important piece mentally.
This was extremely embarrassing to watch so the guy who blew a 3-1 lead in the first round complained quit on his team in game 7 has all the heart but LeBron who has the greatest comeback in nba finals history coming back from 3-1 vs a team that won 73 games LeBron has came back 0-1 OkC finals 2012 0-2 Pistons 2007 2-1 Celtics 2018 3-2 Spurs 2013 3-1 Warriors 2016 is the quitter because a game in his 16 season in Feb in the regular season even though he won the championship the next year man stop talking basketball LeBron haters get dumber by the day
This is so well put!! If you’re a fan of the game you understand.
I don’t fuck with LeBron now but as a kid watching him play live on the Heat was incredible and almost inspirational. Obviously we would never be able to catch lobs like the guy but I remember as he was hitting fadeaways on us just looking at my friends and saying “I got a new move I’m trying tomorrow” lol So I could only imagine what it would be like seeing Kobe or Mike play live.
0:40 the moment I heard “modern NBA”, I knew in my guy this guy might be legit, let’s continue
I respect LeBron's accomplishments, but I'm not a fan. I hated the Bulls, despised Jordan since he beat Georgetown in '82, but I have to respect him. I admire Kobe; 'Mamba Mentality' is a muse. I would play with Kobe. LeBron's numbers may eclipse them, but his impact on the game never will.
Exactly. Note how all the Lebron fans don't even watch the games. They get all their news/stats from their Instagram feeds. Literally the definition of brainwash lol. If people actually watched the games you'd see who had a better overall impact. Numbers aren't anything without context.
Play at 1.5 speed and it’s a great watch
I've seen all 3 play in their primes I can tell you all their differences..
Jordan was quicker then both Kobe and Lebron, and could jump higher...The most explosive dunker compared to the other two..He was the better mid range shooter, the better perimeter defender, he had bigger hands to steal the ball, would move players with his hand, and was the more clutch player in the 4th quarter, him and Kobe are the same being clutch at the free throw line.. Jordan is the weakest 3 point shooter out of the 3.
Lebron is by far the strongest player...He's the best player that can drive to the basket of all time...the best shot blocker out of the 3, the best 3 point shooter out of the 3, the better rebounder and passer out of the 3. He's the weakest comparing clutch free throws, clutch overall is weaker than Jordan or Kobes.
Kobe....Simply the king of making impossible shots...Shit that doesn't show up on a stat sheet, I've never seen someone get double, triple teamed and make the shots he did, did it fading away. He had the most moves out of the 3, had probably the best footwork then the other two. He had Hakeem's post moves, and Jordan's fade away. 2nd in clutch from this group.. He's the best post defender out of Jordan and Lebron. Kobe was the worst team mate though from this group, and the worst pure shooter on paper because he took so many ridiculously tough shots..
Crazy I saw all three play to and Kobe is a better shooter than MJ and defender as well Kobe didn't have rodman Harper pippen to allow him to coast on defense and get easy steals .. MJ would get torched by quick players Kobe didn't 😂 just say you lik mj more only thing MJ has over Kobe is slightly more hops
Kobe fans think their FEELINGS are more important than FACTS.
Jordan's RESUME and NUMBERS destroy Kobes. It's so bad that Jordan literally beats Kobe IN EVERY STATISTICAL CATEGORY in the playoffs and finals. Including three point%.
So just stop this nonsense before ya get Kobe embarrassed trying to compare him to Jordan buddy 😂
@@TruthSerum-b7oMJ is the GOAT but check MJ 1996-1998 playoff runs to Kobe’s 2008-10 playoff runs very similar stat wise got to remember Kobe played in the dead ball lowest scoring era in NBA history his whole career which started around MJs 2nd 3peat while MJ got to play in high scoring 1980s-early 90s
@davis2k1234 Here we go with this stupid shit.
Jordan beats Kobe in EVERY STATISTICAL CATEGORY IN THE PLAYOFFS AND FINALS. Every single one. Jordan's regular season stats are better than Kobes. Jordan's accolades DESTROYS Kobes. So FOH trying to have a Jordan vs Kobe debate in any way. If Jordan was a Budweiser Kobe would be Bud Light. STOP THIS NONSENSE. 😂😂
@@TruthSerum-b7o I’m not debating it MJ is by far the best player ever period no one comes close I’m just pointing out something that box score/stat Kobe haters don’t take into account that Kobe played in lowest scoring most defensive NBA his entire career why I said check MJs 1996-98 playoffs stats almost same as Kobe’s from 2008-10 so not like it’s crazy talk to at least compare
including lebron in the three GOATS is already not a horrible take but a horrendous one.
Ur just slow then
@PE_Strizzy coming from someone who has neurologic deficits I'd take it 😂
1. MJ
2. Kobe
The rest...
Nope
@@melvynsngltn27Nope isn't an explanation.. Where's your list? 🤔
Ppl who clown MJ wizards years miss the big picture..he proved he can play with the young bucks and keep in mind Tmac AI Kobe VC etc were in their primes
Jordan is the Perfect Athlete...he had zero flaws...they literally called this guy black Jesus.
No career ever in the history of any sport known to man can or will beat it.
If longevity rebounds assist and blocks don't matter then i understand why LeBron is not the greatest. I personally have Bron Jordan Kareem in that order
Bron a stat padder an he ain't top 5.. Coach killer, teammate killer, team hopper, etc, etc..
That's not goat material.. Sorry 😮
Lebron has no one on one game and has no aggression on defense in situations where he should. Lebron's production comes from being just an absolute force of nature running the court but he's mentally not even in the same ball park compared to the greats
How when he has one of the best iqs the league has ever seen. My thing is don’t act like he’s not top 5 in assist and he’s up there with elite passers and pass first point guards.
@givemesometime8405 I agree hes probably the most physically gifted athlete who's ever played basketball and like I said is a literal force of nature when he's in transition but he still lacks that assertiveness that Kobe and Jordan had when it matters most
@ I don’t think we watched the same player. I’ve seen LeBron do crazy stuff during win or go home series countless times. Kobe isn’t anywhere near LeBron and mjs level. Even Phil Jackson said it. Kobe was a gunslinger Hero ball type of player. MJ was simply perfect if you ask me he did everything right and he looked beautiful. LeBron is a freak of nature with the brain of magic. And LeBron and MJ was WAYY more efficient and had better IQ than Kobe.
@givemesometime8405 if you can't separate the facts from nonsense that's on you bruh but your analysis is way off. There's about 10 more players I would take over lebron that's how far off he is from Jordan and kobe
@@Omar-n6p2uBron literally has the most game winners in the playoffs which is when it matters most.
thats why lebron still play at his age cuz he dont use 100 % in every game every moment some way its smart , but in other is ...shit cuz from guys like him , we expect amazing things
You need some atmospheric art for your podcasting background. Plain empty walls are just so plain and empty, and therefore are dull and do not promote intellectual engagement in my opinion.
They’ve all quit to different degrees in games, with LeBron’s being more recent to memory for most. Never say never or always about players giving maximum effort, nobody is perfect. But that is the standard LeBron is held to following them.
If Lebron goes on a scoring binge in the 3rd, knowing he'll sit out the 4th in a losing effort, people will say, "How selfish, he's just padding his stats...
...oh, my bad, they say that anyway...
MJ would’ve been my Goat If he’d at least made one final in the strong 80’s era . The fact that he had to wait for the league to get so weak to start winning while being the only one in the 90’s with a superteam , is the reason Is number 2 for me . Bron went trough hell and never had a winning system around him . He always had to create one and carry so much load . When Bron beat the warriors , he was Jordan+pippen +rodman at the same time and the warriors knew that Bron was about to smoke them for the next 3 years so Steph curry the third best player in the league went to beg to Durant the second best player in the league to join his 73 win team to beat this man . Bron Is the goat and it’s not even close if you have a brain .
You cant use give up to a man that comeback from 3-1 on 73-9 team my Friend, Lebron has some of the best comeback games in nba history
Thanks for being honest and no as a Laker fan its not hard at all to not love LBJ or I'll say barely tolerate him. I already didn't want him to come to the Lakers but gave him a chance and when I watched how he treated the young core and did the opposite of lead them my suspicions were concerned. He wanted to trade everything for AD and I was like "can we trade Lebron for AD?" Then that year when the trade deadline was over he was like "don't worry I'll turn on playoffs mode to get us into the playoffs". That was the most anti-mamba thing he could say. Kobe was always in playoff mode. He would hate losing on special occasion nights. On nights when Lebron is about to pass somebodys record we're 1-6 or something like that. He's focused on the moment he oasses someone. AD even called that out and why he doesnt like those games.
6-0 and 5-2 NBA Finals record impressive by Mr 1963 and Mr 1978
LeBron had just came back from his worst injury of his career. Literally the second game back & they were getting blown out in a regular season game with no change at making the playoffs. No reason to be out there risking injury again. You wanna talk about effort? How about the having the best comeback of all time in the nba finals? The best block of all time to go with it. Probably the best effort play you’ll ever see. He also overcame a 26 point deficit without Kyrie & Love in the playoffs. That one bad game is nothing compared to what LeBron has done over the years cmon now lol
Wilt Kareem an Mj are my 40 years of courtside live top players take since 60s! Magic, Bird, Kobe, Oscar, Dr.J Hakeem, Moses, Russell, Shaq round out my top 12 6 0f 12 are the Bigs! Queen James is top 75! 6th at small forward! Grew up in 60s 70s! My top players are from all decades with Kobe being the last know 1 player today makes top 12 ! Defense today keeps any offensive great now out of top 25!!!
NI99A if you putting LeBum's name next to Jordan and Kobe's then you HAVE NOT watched them ALL live
Kareem Adul - Jabbar is the No 2 player of all time. And you can seed any other Great Hall of Famer after those two.
Kobe is my favourite but there is only one GOAT and that's Jordan.
Watching u talk about that Lakers game made me realize that we tend to forgot about bad games our favorite players have. I completely forgot about the Pacers v Lakers game just how u probably forgot about game 7 of the 2006 playoffs. That being said tho is not fair to use as comparison since u just got unlucky but the same could be said for any other player🤷🏾♂️.
Yea if you would have seen young Jordan in person you would say “Kobe cool but he ain’t Mike”
It’s fair to base LeBron off that one game. My reason is because you saw Jordan as wizard not the bulls.
It’s mj and bron Kobe is not even there discussion
If you stop LeBron career at 35 years old you have a different picture. Kobe and Mike both only won with the Greatest Coach Phil Jackson. LeBron unfortunately never was fortunate to have Phil Jackson like Mike and Kobe. Kobe 2006 playoffs game 7 against The Suns quit on his team and didn't shoot the Rock. How about get the Lakers to trade Shaq and the makes Phil Jackson retire. Then without Shaq and without Phil coaching keeps loosing and gives up and demands to be traded to the Clippers. Also look at Kobe's NBA Finals stats only in 2008 his only MVP season he has a good performance in the Finals. So let's be real when actually comparing a 18 year old who wasn't good enough to start versus one who won Rookie of the Year and was an all star at 18.
Man go sit down somewhere.. LeFlop James had more help than any other super star in the NBA... He also had a great coach in E Spo in Miami and wanted him fired in his 1st in Miami..
LeBum is a cancer..
Did Kobe give it his all when he quit on his team in 07 against the suns?
He didn't quit he became a play maker because the media claimed he was a ball Hogg and they would do better if he got his team involved and that's what he did and his teammates where getting open shots and bricking
Kobe had 23PTs in the 1st half of that game such a dumb narrative Phil wanted him to pass more and shot less so he did not to mention the Suns were up by 40PTs I guess he should done what Lebron did in thisn blowout Finals vs GSW and Spurs in 2014 and stat padded down 30pts in 2nd half’s
He didnt become a playmaker. he simiply stopped shooting in protest against the media.
I'm guessing we supposed to act like this didn't happen
Kobe was 3-1 by himself u don’t think he could’ve squeezed in 2 more wins ? He needed help no point of advancing imo
Seen Lebron play live as well vs Bucks in Miami in a blow out loss. Wasnt impressed. Turned on him ever since 😊
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Greatest by definition of the word can only be ONE, not 2, and certainly not 3! The other 2 can be a great but only 1 MJ is the greatest. So just make up your mind and choose who's the no.1, the GOAT, that's it.
Im sorry my experience is better than yours and you decided out of all times of being a Kobesexual to finally go to one LeBron game when he's getting old and past his prime. I learn to appreciate all three of these goats because I love the game of basketball.
One of these 3 took shortcuts and constantly cheats the game to this day. Why anyone would reespect that is beyond my understanding.
This!!!!
All are GOATS!
& They've all came up short.
MJ vs Bird, Thomas & Hakeem
Kobe vs Suns
LBJ vs Mavs
They all lost!
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I haven't seen LeBron play in person because he chose to sit the games I was at
LeBron "It's My Team's Fault & Not Mine" James
I'm a Lakers fan and I can't stand Lebron. He's a self-proclaimed GOAT. He's not even in my Top 5. I've been a Lakers fan since Showtime Lakers of the 80's. I can acknowledge that Micheal Jordan is the GOAT. The Closest to MJ is Kobe Bryant.
I was at that game in Greenville, SC lol. I miss the Bi-Lo Center! Small world.
How many seasons has lebron played all 82 games?
Great breakdown
EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY and oh Yes I'm a " HATER " but all i ask is tht he had PLAYED the Game with some DIGNITY and hey he wudve had all the RESPECT in the World. The thing is He Acts like a Championship doesn't mean anything but yet he left Cleveland who he was doing good with bcse of all the times he took them to the Finals and went to MIA to join up with Wade n Bosh and wht did he say in the Interview they're gonna win Not 1 Not 2 Not 3 Not 4 Not 5 Not 6 etc and if the Rings dnt mean a thing 😂😂😂😂 a mean why did he act tht way aftr being the first Cup Champions ?
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Yow him and his fans need to MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES 😂😂😂😂
That’s like after bron 6 year in Cleveland they build a statue outside and Put Lebron the Greatest of all time without him ever winging shit that’s what the 80s n 90s did built someone who didn’t achieve shit but blow everyone mind with how high he can jump n how long he stays in the “Air” smh just a bunch of old Sword Swallowers hating on bron cause there’s a legitimate conversation bout is he the best to ever do it al stats point at yes
Lebron is the most embarrassing superstar in sport history but some or ya'll wanna put his name up there with the best of all time?? STOP THE DELUSION!
Good video bro, carry on.
I wouldn’t put LeBron as the goat when you have Curry. LeBron has never been the goat since he started. It’s been Kobe, Tim, Duncan, and Seth Curry
U saw one game thus your opinionnis one of a kind
I would disagree about how he saying effort a little bit of shade is being thrown when a man has played over 20 straight years consistently and half of his career has been spent in the NBA finals I would think he knows what to do despite NBA Finals records that is defined by team in winning and losing and then mention Kobe losing to the Pacers giving effort well let me remind you sir in a playoff game not a regular season game LeBron James led the Cleveland Cavaliers on a comeback after being down by 26 points to the Indiana Pacers without his number two or number three best player on the court that's effort in a meaningful game that is dealing with elimination see my man LeBron James is playing chess not checkers in order to make it to 8 straight NBA finals it takes a lot of sacrifice and maneuvering and strategy especially when dealing with different teammates out and in plus lineup changes but LeBron James is the king because he remains the constant factor of dominance incredible all around ability and basketball IQ
Leastern Conference
Lebron fans act like him making the finals is him winning the finals. He's a "1 man army" that is the GOAT up until the finals everytime where he crumbles under pressure 😂 Does it surprise you his last ring is a mickey mouse ring with no audience watching?
Nikola Jokic even did better than lebron. He had no allstars on his team and just won a chip. Lebron had like 6 chances to do that and failed everytime lol. He was also saved by Ray Allen. He's literally 3-7 if he doesn't hit that shot. MJ was always the one hitting those shots. Also, even his most iconic play in 2016 "BLOCKED BY JAMES" was off his own bricked 3 point attempt lol
Dont care how yall put down bron. Dude single handedly carry Cleveland to the finals and came to lakers and put them back on the map the last 6 years. Thats why hes the goat to me .
"Not 5, not 6, not 7, not 8" 😂
There there nicely brainwashed human
Like your honest honesty but Mike at wizards was a shell….and preseason..eh
Difference: Jordan, Kobe MENTALITY to win!! LeBron none!
2 of those names are considered GOAT unlike one lol
Only 1 GOAT MJ
Jordan and Bryant were more loyal to their teams. I know Jordan played with Cash as well, but that's only because the Bulls owner wasn't loyal to him. Then, he became part owner of Washington.
Personally, I respect Dirk more than Lebron. I loved Lebron in both Cleveland runs. His win over the 72-10 Warriors team was amazing! Other than that, he combined joined with other superstars to win.
Kobe had to take a back seat to Shaq early in his career. I have always wondered what Jordan's career would have been if he started at 18 and joined a Moses Malone. I think that after Shaq left, Kobe became what Jordan was in the 80s. A high usage rate on a bad team. Then, he was willing to do what Jordan did in the 90s. Trust his teammates more. But he couldn't three-peat like Jordan did. So, Jordan over Kobe.
2007 asked to be traded on Stephen A smith Radio Show and stated that he wouldn't return. The only reason he was still on the team was because the Lakers refused to trade him.
Understandable where you coming from and great breakdown but what about Detroit where he scored 24 straight he didn't give up that night come on bro you're taking one experience and then your Watchers are going to run with that so this was Boo Boo
It’s only 1 GOAT MICHEAL JORDAN
You just a hater
three fan bases
jordan fans..toxic and still lives in the past and treat jordan like a God..
kobe fans..just a photocopy of jordan fans..
lebron fans..stat chasers and just as blind as jordan and kobe fans combined😅
Kobe is not in the goat category. I would take Duncan over Kobe any day of the week.
You must be a wonderful salesperson, the way you use those sales person techniques.
Lebron is better than Kobe. More talented better Defensive player
Not Chicago Mike? 😂 take the vid down.. it should be reported
-It's cute how you think- You are the preeminent NBA scholar
Wizards Jordan was underrated when you go back and watch those games and series you begin to understand the game more or maybe missed somethings you didn’t see or understand.
Wizard Mj was 🗑. He took 20+shots a game, low efficiency and about 20+ times scored less than 10. Lebron could never play like that and not criticized.
@ young man where’s the proof he took 20 shots for 20 points liar stop capping either you don’t know Basketball and the era’s or your capping, averaging 22.9 points per game to go along with 5.7 rebounds, 5.2 assists, and 1.4 steals. He shot 41.6 percent from the floor, Not bad.
@@Sldumas1983 first off I'm almost 50 my man. Since when did shooting 41% wasn't bad? Since when did shooting 22.9 fga per game while losing wasn't bad? Lebron Only has 1 season in 22 seasons shooting more than 22.9 fga. Mj in his Wizard years was taking more shots per game than prime Vince Carter, Kobe and Tmac. Mj had 2 phases in his career where he stat padded and didn't care about winning that his fanboys want to ignore. Early in his career he was chucking up 25-28 shots every game while his teams was getting punished, and then those Wizard years he was chucking up shots and didn't care about his teammates being involved to win games. In fact it was so bad all his Wizard teams is on record and hate him. If Mj Wizard years are underrated then you should have no problem saying that about any player chucking up shots and losing
@ your age has nothing to do with it sir and your giving me numbers sir, Most hoopers that played in that era know and say MJ gave work yes it’s not what he was but you ack like he was shooting bricks and and was not still playing defense make your point make sense Mr. 50
@@Sldumas1983 i gave numbers because numbers 99% of the time don't lie. What you gave is your opinion backed up by non facts. You backed your own opinion up with what "they" say which is more opinion. If you ask players from different eras who is the goat they most likely will say the players from their era. Example is Dr J recently said his goat is Kareem. My point is everyone don't agree with you or me and it's why for me I use numbers because its the only thing that has no opinion. The number 1 don't change no matter what era or generation so you using Mj Wizard numbers when you compare it to others especially Lebron at 39 or 40 don't compare especially when you throw in efficiency, and expectations. Mj to me was a statpadder most of his career including his Wizard years based on his efficiency, volume selection, impact, and expectations of his team winning. He is the only all time great player that people try to make excuses for and is giving a perception that's unreal
Clearly another hater video
MJ & Kobe have had shitty games too lol
MJ fans don't trash Kobe & Kobe fans because he didn't get to MJ status plus his play style is similar
but MJ fans go out their way to trash LBJ & LBJ fans
because they feel he's a threat
to their favorite player
and the truth is year by year
the debate is real
MJ & Kobe are SG
they're meant to focus on score
LBJ can score pass and do so many other things too
and has done it throughout the years
that's why he's up on top of
so many stats
Two of them are winners when it counts case in point both Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant have a combine record of 11 wins and only 2 losses in the Finals Michael Jordan is 6 wins and 0 losses and Kobe has a 5 wins and 2 losses. What is Lefraud James record in the Finals ? 4 wins and 6 losses a loosing record. he also have a loosing playoff record in his career up until this point too.
This's the greatest lie ever told. This's extremely slothful at best. 2000 Kobe Bryant average 15.6 points 35% field goal percentage and scored 2 points in one of these games. You're credited him for this series. I dare you try to talk about Game 5.
Kobe bryant is the only player in the Top 15, where his teams win when he plays bad consistently in big games, like the Finals, Game 7s, and elimination games. Where is his killer mentality?
Ok weighing in as I’ve seen all of these players live on TV … so old enough to compare/contrast:
1. On kobe: a full copy cat of MJ …. No originality and basically modeled his game (and mannerism eg speech) after Mike .. a bit pathetic if you ask me …. And lacked maturity and leadership that Mike had all along
2. LJ: similar to magic but more athletic … great all around game … however lacks clutch gene
3. MJ … simply put the GOAT OF GOATS … y’all can battle for 2nd place: Phelps, pele, Messi, Federer, Hamilton, woods, Brady, etc … it’s NOT EVEN CLOSE …. From stats, to skills, to culture, to fundamentally changing the game, to global impact - it’s MJ … go to Vietnam, Africa, or Russia: it’s MJ
Sorry, LeChina is NO GOAT!!! Not even in the same league.
Yeah Bron ain’t no Goat his whole career was media driven and if you watch film cut off the sound and watch Bron play he is standing on defense doing nothing flopping and has the highest turnovers in history also he is 4-6 in the finals with a Disney ring😂 give me MJ, Wilt and Kobe.
This's by far the worst logic ever. Give you Wilt chamberlain teams have a record of 2-4.
@ No it shows you don’t understand Basketball and the era’s sir maybe you understand to a certain level but you always find something new about the game from yesteryears and now. You’re looking at numbers I am looking with the eyes and understanding the politics aka context of the game and the players.
@Sldumas1983 Unfortunately, the eye test is by far the worst way to evaluate a player. It's predicated on preference based construe. We as humans spend most of our day in perception. Thousand of people each year were exonerated because of empirical evidence like DNA because the eye witnesses were incorrect about what they saw. This's the Fusiform region of the Occipital lobe of the brain, which is based upon perception, preference, pronostication, etc. A company trying to grow their company wouldn't use an eye test. They would use statistical significance test to evaluate their company.
You attempted to imply LeBron James turnovers. Let's take a look at his blunders compared to greatness.
Most missed shoots in the playoffs.
Most missed shoots in the regular season.
Most turnovers in the playoffs in total.
Most turnovers in the regular season.
Most points in the playoffs.
Most points in the regular season.
Most steals in the playoffs.
Most defensive rebounds in the playoffs.
Only player to average 25 points in 20 straight seasons.
Only player to average 25 points 6 rebounds 6 assists in 20 straight seasons.
Only player to lead both teams in points, rebounds, and assists in the Finals.
Only player to lead both teams in every major statistical categorize, points, rebounds, assist, blocks, and in the playoffs and the Finals.
Only player to lead 3 different teams to a championship and to be Finals Mvp on all 3 teams.
Only player to score 41 points and back to back elimination games in the Finals.
Only player to average a triple double in the finals.
Only player to score 39 points 10 rebounds 10 assists in 6 3pointer in a game.
Only player to average 25 points 7 rebounds 8 assists 54% field goal percentage 41 % from the 3-point line in a season.
Most clutch points in the regular season.
Most clutch points in the playoffs.
Most clutch 3-pointer shots in the regular season.
Most clutch 3-pointer shots in the playoffs.
Most game winning shots in the regular season.
Most game winning shots in the playoffs.
Most buzzer beats in the playoffs.
Most all-star appearances 20x
Most all nba teams 20x.
Most first team all nba 13x
Most times, it finishes top 5 Mvp voting 15x.
Highest winshare per/48 in a playoffs run .399.
Highest offensive win shares in playoffs history.
Highest PER ever in the playoffs with at least 10 games 37.4.
Only player to record 2000 points 500 rebounds, 500 assists 100 steals in 4 straight regular seasons.
Only player to record 2000 points 500 rebounds 500 assists 100 steals in 8x seasons.
Only player to score 30k points 10k rebounds and 10k assists in a career.
Only player to score 40k 11k assists 11k rebounds in a career.
Only player to score 30 points on 60% from the field in 6 straight games.
Only players score 600 points 150 and 200 rebounds in a playoffs run.
Only player score 700 points 150 rebounds 200 rebounds in a playoffs run.
Most 40-point games in a playoffs run.
Only player to average 34 points 9 rebounds 9 assists in a playoffs run.
Only player to record 25 points 10 rebounds 7 assists in 7x different Finals Series.
Most 30-point games in the regular season.
Most 20-point games in the regular season.
Most 30-point games in the playoffs.
Most 20-point games in the playoffs.
Most 40-point triple doubles in the playoffs.
Most 40-point triple doubles in the regular season.
Most 20-point triple double in the playoffs.
Most games lead his team in points, rebounds, and assist.
Only players to be top 10 in points, rebounds, assists, blocks , steals, and 3pointer playoffs.
Only player who is top 10 in points, assist , steals, and 3pointer in regular season.
One of 2 players to win an MVP 4 out of 5 seasons.
Most players of the week awards.
Most players of the week awards
@ My point Lebron fanboy your numbers that’s not just Basketball like I said era’s this is the weakest what Centers did Lebron face that was Hall Of Fame huh ? Why does he only have 5 First team defense 21 yrs 😆 why does he need Top 75 and other leaders of teams to build a Super Team stop talking Basketball please.
The sad is LE CHOKE CANT SHOOT FOR SH.T JAMES knows Half the nba could beat him 1 on 1