Very true. But still glad alot of our favorite characters are still get development and also transformations . As years ago no more transformations from the creator
@@yopup7 With everything that goes on these days, no it doesn't. If Toriyama or Toyotaro want a character to be stronger, they'll do it regardless of the scaling. Otherwise characters like Roshi wouldn't suddly get stronger out of nowhere.
I think Goku and Vegetas’ new forms are exactly who they have always been. Goku more of a tournament fighter all the way back to dragon ball. Always one to hold back a form or level to see what the other fighter has. Vegeta being one not to mess with. He doesn’t fight like Goku. He fights to win, kill or destroy quickly. Never a long drawn out battle. Never one to hold back a punch. His new form forces his opponents to fight like him. If his opponent doesn’t kill him quickly then Vegeta will do what he does best, destroy. I say for now Goku wins. But man once Vegeta new form is mastered, it’s game over for Goku and everyone else.
How so? You could say that by the time Vegeta mastered UE, Goku could still be on top and mastering UI. It all depends on circumstances, neither of the two has an edge on each other because they both know each others style, moves in fighting. It will all come down to who can out smart the other in my opinion.
@@claudioschumi87 Yes, whoever outsmarts wins. It’s a battle. That’s how battles are. Anything can happen. Now again in just these two forms, both being mastered, killing allowed. I pick Vegeta.
Ue vegeta is literally a regression in his character. This form would be great for like saiyan-namek saga vegeta. But vegeta isn’t the same person as before and they’re pulling the Majin vegeta card again “I need to act like my old self and surpass kakarot” that’s Majin vegeta bro. And then vegeta kicks goku away like what?? That literally contradicts his character development since goku and vegeta teamed up with eachother multiple times in Dbs. In the ToP vegeta even suggested to team up against jiren. And in the anime they teamed up against zamasu. Now they’re regressing him again. And then vegeta gives up against gronola like what? That’s so out of character for him, vegeta inspired me to never give up no matter what and now they took that away from him? Trash writing. I don’t even blame it on dbs or toyotaro. I just think the gronola arc is garbage as a whole. Vegeta had a good arc in the Moro arc but they completely made a mockery out of him in the gronola arc and regressed him
This is also the same vegeta who went up to trunks when he was crying and inspired him to never give up no matter what. Thats the vegeta I know, they completely regressed him in the gronola arc and he started giving up like tf
It honestly depends on who has mastered their technique more. Stamina plays a HUGE role in this fight because when they are both fresh and in their respective zones, they're insanely strong.
@@AliveBones1trust me it’s not that easy since Vegeta gets stronger every hit and he could adapt to gokus moves like jiren did so goku is touchable he’s just a little faster
I think you guys did miss one thing: vegeta doesnt have to hakai goku directly to hit him. Beerus pointed out that Hakai greats a large explosion when hitting even things like rocks or armor...or gis. Also, Vegeta cant seperate someone from their own power, only absorbed power.
@@SpikeTheWolf depends on durability. Generally, it can cause damage via explosions if something near or attached to the person is hakai'd instead of the person themselves.
Actually he can take power that belongs to the target as well…in the Moro Arc when vegeta was talking with the z fighters piccolo I think asked him if he can use forces spirt fission in reverse on them to take there power and vegeta said he could
I imagine that destruction energy combined with saiyan biology and the zenkai makes for a very broken power up the only flaw which is the same flaw with Broly is even though you can grow stronger and stronger if the gap is too wide between you and your opponent…it’s curtains
exactly Its like Thor vs Hulk. If Thor fights seriously from the start, Hulk may never have the chance to get angry and grow stronger. Some with UI-EU comparison. Problem is: a) Goku never fights 100% from the start trying to test the opponent b) Goku also doesnt try to hurt the opponent from the start for the same reason. Its hard to tell who gets the upper hand
I personally always thought ultra ego suited Broly more than Vegeta just because Broly can take far more punishment and when he goes berserk, he knows only to destroy.
I feel like UE is STRONGER and more durable based on his ability to take hits and convert the energy whereas Goku can't. But MUI is pretty effective at dodging attacks. I think they are equal in power overall based on their fights with Gas. They both kept evolving just to be equal. But I think Vegeta in theory has the edge in raw strength and durability IF he can manage to not lose control.
Ui is literally better in every single way, even durability goes to UI. Don’t u remember when Moro punched goku and his hand broke on his body? Yea ue vegeta isn’t doing shit like that in terms of durability. His only dura feat is him getting constantly beaten up by granola till he eventually gives up. Physical strength is also ui since goku can use the susuano form. I’m a huge vegeta fan but UI goku is one shotting UE vegeta and it’s not close
@@aka-fusion8909 I disagree. Vegeta taking hits is a good example of durability. Plus he got better against Gas. As for strength I think the giant form is dangerous for sure but I don't think it's a one punch fight.
I bet vageta learned the growing technique and multiple clone technique from the yardradts along with yeleport and the spirit fision . He might no more then we think . Surly when he gose Vageto Gogeta he should have learned kioken...
Vegeta actually has a full deck of cards to play with im his arsenal after yardrat like forced spirit fission,instant transmission and better ki control in conjunction with ultra ego that could make him troublesome in battle
@@SuperSikarlo Goku doesn't know Forced Spirit Fission, he wasn't able to learn it so that implies that not only did Vegeta got more out of the training but he did so in way less time then Goku.
@@stephenschneekloth1535They were in completely different stages of their martial arts journey when they reached Yardrat. Of course Vegeta should do it in less time
Now this is an absolute tough one to decide. And honestly I see this hypothetical fight coming to a draw due to the uniqueness of Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego
Vegeta would win because he's stronger in base and in the end that is what it will come down to. The core. Whis himself confirmed Vegeta's realization about how to go beyond. It's why Vegeta just edged out Goku. Also, despite Vegeta getting Ultra Ego later than Goku's Ultra Instinct, his prodigal ability allows him to catch up very quickly. He mastered all of Goku's Z abilities in a shorter time on Yardrat. Ultimately, what I've observed about their rivalry is the following. Naturally, Vegeta is stronger and better than Goku. Goku however uses his determination and knowledge from so many masters that he goes beyond the decifit he is at with Vegeta. i.e. transformations and new techniques. Vegeta has to catch up, only for Goku to then ascend again. However, generally speaking; peep the trend. Vegeta is stronger in base. Goku turns SS to surpass Vegeta. Vegeta turns SS, stronger than Goku's SS (arguably due to a heart attack but just going on what was stated in the anime and manga) Goku Master, and other grades of SS to surpass Vegeta. Vegeta's "Living" SS2 form is stronger than Gohan's version as proven when he notices Goku's "dead" SS2 form is stronger than Gohan but "Equal" to Vegeta. However, Goku has SS3 in his pocket to SURPASS Vegeta again. But peep game... Vegeta's Living SS2 was equal to Goku's Dead SS2. That's not supposed to be the case. Goku is supposed to be stronger because he was dead and didn't have a body as a disadvantage as Vegeta. In any event, Vegeta's SS2 in "Super" is stronger than Goku's SS3 which is definitely more refined than in Z. Goku ascends AGAIN, to SSG through a ritual which Goku states he did not like the fact that he did not "earn" it through training. Vegeta, Climbs the mountain and trains with Whis, and master's SSG and gains SSB with Goku. Now they're even. Vegeta at a massive deficit caught up. However, there is one notable point during their training. Goku who had SSG in him and I suspect Vegeta as well... carried a lighter weight than Vegeta when training to get to Blue. This was stated by Whis himself. Thus the point I'm making is that at the time of the SSB training they were even... but Vegeta carried a heavier weight and stood overnight to train while Goku's body gave out and he rested. Just pointing out what was in the Anime. Goku then adds a technique to give him the edge over Vegeta in KK to put him above Vegeta but then Vegeta EVOLVES Blue to put him even or arguably above SSB KK minus none of the drawbacks of KK. Now UI and UE and although Goku is up in terms of time with UI, how much longer do you think it will take Vegeta to close that gap? So what this comes down to is who is stronger in base form? Thus in Super Whis put it to the test, and despite Goku's ability to constantly surpass Vegeta who started out stronger than him, they both reached their limits but there can only be one winner and that winner was edged out by Vegeta. In conclusion, in their ultimate forms, I think the result would be the same. Vegeta would win because his base core "SHOULD" edge Goku out based on this "TREND". Whey they are at the same Power Level, Vegeta is just a bit stronger. Saiyajin Saga proved it. Buu Saga Proved it, Whis Training for SSB proved it and now Super Hero the movie proved it. Thus objectively speaking by the track record, unless Goku can "ASCEND" in mid-match against Vegeta, if he squares up evenly, Vegeta wins. Vegeta was always stronger from the jump. Goku just found ways to catch up and go beyond. Hope this was worth the read for you.
A RUclips Animator by the name of "Hyourinjutsu" actually made a What-If Battle between UI Goku and UE Vegeta and his interpretation of how it would turn out. I highly recommend watching it, its really good.
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Personally I think Vegeta would win by functionality UI is better but adaptability wise UE is better. Another thing is that I think Vegeta knows how Goku fights better than Goku knowing how Vegeta fights, Vegeta has been seen to be learning more ways to improve in skill for example the Super Hero film Beerus is even able to notice the change in his movements. I believe a current Vegeta with UE with his slight changes would be able to withstand the first few hits to slowly over power Goku in UI
No it’s not? Ui has better adaptability, ui has a battle growth ability similar to Broly or even better, showcased in his fight against jiren and even stated in the official DBS guide, he naturally grows as he fights but that’s only in the white haired form and he needs to have proper control for it to work and by that I mean have the Moro arc level of control.
@@paulgilbert3139 I mean not really think about Super how many wins has Goku got. Didn’t beat Beerus , Hit , Zamasu , Granola, Gas or Frieza. Him and Vegeta are the MCs now Ngl
@@abhaypatel605 but we never see this adaptation in the manga. In the Granola arc UI was not adapting at all Goku just changed his mindset. For Vegetas very first awakening of UE you see he’s better than MUI Goku and can use it more frequently as well.
@@kaienglish271Because UI doesn't fit the nature of Saiyans while UE fits the Saiyan Nature like a glove, so unlike Vegeta, Goku needed to modify UI to fit into his Nature as a Saiyan.
It’s always been shown that fighters near or above Goku’s power lever can outspeed the auto dodge of UI. i.e Jiren, Granolah, Moro, Black Frieza etc. So I don’t think UE Vegeta will have a problem connecting hits with Goku
“Goku has the upperhand because he has more techniques” This dude no offense was glazing Goku all vid. Im a realistic vegeta fan, hes my fav but I understand he gets shafted for plot. Vegeta got SF, UE (super armor basically), maintains his Ultra form with no time limit or drawback, destruction energy, plus his UE is basically a zenkai glitch. Not to mention he knows Instant Trans. now as well. Goku’s arsenal consists of a time strained Ultra Instinct, Instant Trans, Spirit Bomb (cant use), Kaioken (wouldnt use unless drastic), and Kamehameha. Meanwhile manga Vegeta whipped out everything I said + ki swords and shit, with his durability, stamina, power boost OT, and techniques, he’d outlast Goku until he becomes stronger than him and eventually wins. (ON PAPER, logically) However, it is Goku’s show, I’d totally see them adding a drawback or something to Vegeta to give Goku the edge to win. Its close for sure, but to say Goku “stomps”, you’re glazing.💀
Goku has better durability then vegeta, don’t u remember when moros hand broke on gokus body? UE vegeta has shit dura feats the only feats he has is getting his ass beat by gronola until he eventually drops out of the form. UI goku literally takes every category except for IQ
@@aka-fusion8909bro idky you keep ignoring the point that a CLONE of Granolah 1 shot MUI Goku while Vegeta in UE was beating his ass and pushin him to get stronger lol
@@Chris-xc1hm Goku got a zenkai boost lol. Do u think Goku just stays at the same strength? It’s literally stated by vegeta that saiyans get stronger in every fight, especially after near death battles (which Goku had with gronola) and Goku was stronger after his first fight with gronola. He got a massive zenkai boost after he got healed and it was strong enough to surpass vegeta.
@@aka-fusion8909 okay using ur logic the first fight with vegeta and granola he got a zenkai boost. He then fought and got damaged by gas aswell as goku. He then fought gas again with goku. He then fought gas by himself and got a zenkai he then fought gas again with goku as TUI and got a zenkai so using ur logic vegeta should be right up with goku
@@aka-fusion8909huh? Goku beat the weak clone of Granolah then got wiped. Vegeta crushed him, Granolah awakened then he still had to trade life for life againat Vegeta. Vegeta greater compared to Goku. Against Gas Vegeta also did better until Goku pulled out True UI to go ahead of Vegeta again. Considering Vegeta only reached UE hours before and Goku has been monkeying around with UI for something approaching 2 years I don't think UE is a useless form at all.
@@specialnewb9821 no after vegeta started losing goku stepped in as a ssb and started to fight evenly with gronola, then vegeta got mad when goku saved him so he kicked him away.
If we break this down analytically: Goku has had several arcs and well over a full year with ultra instinct to practice and perfect it. UI Sign he could already access and maintain with ease after Merus’ training. Perfected/Mastered UI comes at the end of the Moro arc, where Goku has full control over the form. Granolah then battles this form with his avatar self and gets bodied. But once Granolah uses his true self, he catches Goku off guard and knocks him out in 1 hit. The question is, how was Goku in MUI caught off guard? It makes no sense. The form is designed so that, in its perfected state, your body should be moving on its own no matter what happens during combat. Being caught off guard should no longer be a concept to Goku, which suggests 1 of 2 things. 1, goku hasn’t fully mastered UI by that point. And yeah, sure, he has a lot to learn. But he should’ve at least been able to dodge that hit from granolah. Or 2, Granolah at his Maximum was THAT much stronger than PUI/MUI Goku, that he could in fact 1 shot MUI Goku at any point. Now look at Vegeta. He attains Ultra Ego, and within seconds of attaining that form, he’s already bodying full power Granolah. It wasn’t until Vegeta took too much damage that he wasn’t able to continue the fight. He had Granolah on the ropes so hard that Granolah had to fully utilize his Cerealian powers using both his eyes, a technique unique to his race, to get the perfect energy snipe on Vegeta, which effectively ends the fight. Vegeta takes too much damage, and he’s out. Right off the bat, that all tells me that UE is at LEAST as strong if not stronger than MUI/PUI. It wasn’t until Goku got True Ultra Instinct vs Gas that Goku seemed to pass Vegeta in power by a little bit. Taking everything into account that I just explained, UE is the more powerful form. Goku has had way more time with UI to learn it and master it. Vegeta had UE for 5 minutes, and it already seemed more impressive than Perfected UI. Give Vegeta as much time with UE as Goku has had with UI, then let them fight. I don’t see Goku winning a fight against someone who has mastered the ability to take damage and convert it into power. That ability could potentially be limitless. Plus Vegeta has hakai, a type of energy that literally erases anything it touches from existence. Goku has no chance on an even playing field against Vegeta. Ultra Ego is just Ultra Instinct on fucking steroids.
Goku’s limitations are his body, if someone is faster than him UI can see it coming but not be able to dodge. I don’t think goku let his guard down, never was stated so. Granola said he was less accurate and he seen an opening. Granola was the strongest in the universe and ui doesn’t make him able to dodge anything.
I still have my money on Mui Goku. The problem on UE is that yeah on paper it seems ridiculously stronger, but Vegeta has kinda failed with UE. Goku did use haki more effectively than vegeta who he has to train just to destroy some rocks. Also Vegeta just can't handle taking damage from Goku.
@@ajtrolls8272 Goku only trolled Gas like his father Bardock. It's not always about power levels... Gas is more stupid than Fat Buu... Goku is more experienced so he just used weak points of Gas. It's like Roshi vs Jiren in manga... Roshi not was Blue or BE power level but still was able to have some fight with Jiren. Granolah lost to Gas because he was trying compare his power level to power level of Gas... Goku was just smarter, like David against Goliath. Granolah still was stronger(in raw power) than Vegeta and Goku, he almost killed Gas with his special attack. "Almost" only because he not wanted kill Gas, he not wanted revange anymore. So as you see and as you probably still not accept this (because 99% fans of Goku are close minded) Goku not was that strong but he is still good warrior cuz his experience and skills.
@@zetset8098 you’re so stupid, granolah literally had to get healed 2 times after gas beat him twice. Goku also had to tank a blast that vegata nor granolah were able to do against gas. Gas wished to be the strongest and was currently stated to be the strongest. You’re also forgetting vegeta getting beat 5 seconds into the gas and goku had to take him 1v1 with PERFECT ssb. Also Tui did do the best in that whole fight, a form that lets goku think for himself. Finally before gas was about to kill Granolah and Vegeta. Goku had to use his big avatar to grab gas back and hold him back which sent him to the sky. Frieza then finished the fight. Vegeta fanboys need to accept that both goku and gohan are currently stronger
If Goku goes all out, full power blast or punch from the start, then Goku I feel. But Goku doesn’t usually play that way. So if Vegeta wasn’t taken out fast enough, Vegeta wins. I think Goku and Vegeta would both know that though.
@@aka-fusion8909right… Who beat Moro when he fused with 73 initially? SSBE Vegeta or UI Sign Goku? Oh word. Who got one shotted in MUI by a clone and who almost beat the real things ass in a form he JUST unlocked? Ahh, word.
@@Chris-xc1hmue vegeta literally does nothing but get his ass beat. Goku in ssb did better then ue vegeta did against gronola and gas. He’ll even ssbe is more useful then ue since vegeta was actually useful in that form. Like in the anime he beat toppo and in the manga vegeta helped buy time for goku and even took away energy from Moro and gave it to goku. Unlike in UE which his form literally did nothing to impact the overall outcome, even if he didn’t have ue the overall outcome would be the same. The form is useless, give vegeta a new form
@@aka-fusion8909its useless because he didnt win? Wtf. Nigga he didnt do anything of use in SSBE besides fight Toppo and Moro then. Blud, UE Vegeta PUSHED Granolah, NOT THE CLONE, REAL Granolah to his limits where he grew stronger, pushing Vegeta to be stronger. This led to Granolah AND Vegeta being stronger than before and helping them against their battle with Gas, which i guess in turn helped Goku to level up and play catch up. Not to mention, Vegeta was deadass solo’ing Gas while Goku sat there because AS HE SAID “Why do i have a better handle on my UE while your UI has stayed the same?! Figure it out!” Then when he did, they jumped Gas. Implying they were on a similar field. UE Vegeta is a tanking powerhouse with a power build up similar to Broly’s. Idk what crack you smoked to say SSB Goku beats UE but i need sum.
@@Chris-xc1hmdidnt vegeta get washed both times and got saved both times by goku? Didnt goku wash gas with omen while vegeta decided to take a nap because his transformation made him take too much damage? “oH wOrD”
I got vegeta winning , even gas was scared to get hit by vegeta before he passed out , and then after that they both was relative to each other fighting old gas, and Goku not dodging every attack, if somebody at the some power as him or has more than him they can touch him , that was proven with Moro Jiren , gas and granola
did we not read the manga vegeta had gas terrified but not one youtuber brings that up to explain that vegeta was most likely stronger than gas when he passed out making him the strongest mortal in that moment. than tui happen and continue the fight we dont actually know where vegeta power lands it could literally be equal to tui thats why gas was scared because he could tell he was about to get dragged.
U the only one who’s noticed that out of every video I’ve seen. And IT’s further shown when goku and vegeta fight gas one last time. Both seem relative to each attack gas together makes it seem like they’re equal
@@lilsharkie8628this is exactly what I thought. They are equal with similar techniques and now, transformations. However, Goku seems to always struggle with his while Vegeta even points out he’s gotten such a good handle on his that Goku is lacking (which leads to TUI).
UI wins over UE if you really think about it. Early fight UI takes this beacause of dodging, mid fight they are equal because UE is chardged by blows it got in the early fight and UI is now using automatic blocks, in the late fight people think that UE would be too much for the UI, but in the late fight UI can go into ki avatar to defend against hakai and true UI to have furious attacks and UE can take limited damadge, so can UI, but in the early fight UI did not recive damadge while UE did, so ... UI > UE.
I know U.E Vegeta Wins Because He Always Has Beat Goku ☑️... In Z Vegeta Won Twice 🥇🥇 in Super Vegeta Won 🥇 If So by Now 28 year into My Life I don't Think There's Any circumstance where Goku Could Win lol 📉... Vegetas Stronger = 🥇 + He's a way more Physical Fighter 🥇 + He Gets Considerably Stronger With Damage 📈🥇 all Indicates That goku would do Decent For The first 3Min But after Vegeta East Kakorots strongest Attack and adds that To His Power 💥📈 hed easily just Knock out Kakorot like Every otha time they fought ☑️
I see this as an unstoppable force vs. immovable object scenario. Due to the immeasurable strength and experince of both fighters, at their peak the battle will crawl to a standstill. One literally can't exist without the other, Yin to the Yang. A vegeta victory required restrictions: no ki blasts, or power-ups of any kind. It's just basically a "Fox Only, No Items, Final Destination" scenario. That sparring match became a true contest of SKILL, a true clash between ideologies. Goku doesn't need to meditate, as in his eyes, he's already doing it by resting well. Vegeta meditates, though he's more literal.
Well I don't know if it'll beat Goku or not but in the t.o.p Vegeta was able to do that explosion to technique he used on boo and not die. Now what if you did the same thing but with the God of destruction power.?
I feel like with vegetas mental training and change of mindset he’ll be able to access the base form of ui like beerus vs the GOD before the TOP and for me it’s hard to say Goku is stronger when granolas clone prices goku up and veheta was pushing and pushed gronalah to a new level and Gas equally whooped on them
Yall greatly underestimating the fact that when Vegeta gets hit he gets stronger the man doesn't even have to break a sweat. He can double his power while goku cannot. Vegeta can start at 5 and then get to 10 while goku can start on 5 and go down. Without a bean or someone healing him goku would lose
Just thought of a theory Imagine if the end of dragonball super goku and vegeta have a Final battle and then both die. Zeno bring them back and make them the angel and G.O.D Of uni 7
Goku said it himself when they was in the room of spirit and time Goku said that Vegeta found counters that Goku didn’t even know he had and the other way around I don’t know why a lot of people think Vegeta is a brawler. He’s on the same level as Goku you can’t rival somebody if you’re not on their level, you can’t be a master black belt, but getting rival by a street brawler that wouldn’t even make sense but I still think Goku will beat Vegeta because Goku had ultra instinct longer. Meaning he had more experience.
I feel like MUI vs UE would be an equal fight or Goku would win but TUI makes Goku fight similar to Vegeta and an angel TUI Goku is most definitely stronger than UE Vegeta
Yall have a very misconstrued understanding of how forced spirit fission works. Also UE's ability to "absorb" or "tank" hits. I need to be invited on a livestream
Thing to remember to is UI it lets the body move and react on it's own, taking away any lost reaction that'd occur from having to think about your next move. But it's not necessarily that it can't be touched. If Vegeta can endure with UE long enough that his power and speed surpasses Goku, it won't matter how fast Goku's reaction time is. Goku even with UI is still bound by what his body is physically capable of.
Oh my God, the second person stupid if you combine every single one Google form you will still not even match power ultra instinct for actually because it’s not only that he just done them on his own. He’s moving on his own. He’s on his own. He goes to 100 how do you see the movie, Goku will never combo you don’t even do combos but instinct nothing else making every single combo every technique. Everything else is wanted is not dodging attack is way more.
I feel like Prided Waife is biased tbh 🤣 I respect his opinion but I think he heavily underestimated Vegeta by saying Goku should be a lot stronger. Like huh?? Characters get surpassed all the time 🤣🤣 great video tho🔥🔥
He was glazing Goku all video mad weird. Like Vegeta didnt surpass UI Sign Goku in the Moro Arc in Blue Evolution… Vegeta’s power and techniques atp always relative to Goku’s, with UE now the field is leveled.
If we're talking manga UI then Vegeta wins. In the Manga UI decreases in accuracy and effectiveness after only a small duration of time. While in the anime it seems to be the opposite, even after attaining MUI Goku continued to get faster and sharper against Jiren. Goku hasn't truly mastered UI, and i don't think he ever will. It's not Goku's fault. it's simply because he's a mortal saiyan and MUI goes against his nature. Ultra Ego mastery on the other hand seems more achievable as you don't have to be born a God of Destruction, its heavily implied that all the GOD's were born mortals and were promoted to the position after training and probably being permanently in the ego state. An example would be Topo succeeding Belmold or Whis asking Vegeta to succeed Beerus. But there's never an example of mortal replacing an Angel. It's something they're born into. True masterly of UI would be Goku being in instinct indefinitely, as a base state with no stamina drain. And he's far from achieving that.
I would take vegeta. This fight would be more of a battle of attrition as opposed to power. Like in the movie where vegeta takes the W by outlasting goku, something similar would take place here. Vegeta in history has shown his durability in one on one’s against goku based off the saiyan history imo. So I think it’s a stalemate or vegeta slightly takes it
This is an interesting debate; however, I believe Goku will win over Vegeta. My reason for this is the ability to problem-solve during battle. An example of this is when Vegeta fought Hit during the Beerus-Champa tournament. Goku tried to gather intel from Jaco and Vegeta about Hit to try to overcome his Time-skip to no avail. Vegeta during the battle couldn't figure out how to overcome Hit's ability and could not once harm Hit. Goku had the same issue for a while and was doing trial and error until he found something that worked. Now if we take this fight and apply to Goku vs. Vegeta in this instance, there would be overlapping similarities. Vegeta would struggle to overcome his UI and finds himself taking all the damaged again and not being able to land a hit on Goku. It is like history repeating itself, unless it becomes a battle of attrition. If that is the case, then maybe Vegeta's form may out last Goku's UI and therefore has advantage over him. He would have to tank a considerable amount of time for Goku's UI to run out, and that is a difficult feat to accomplish. This is my reasoning on why I believe Goku will win over Vegeta.
I feel like UI could actually be countered by someone who understands how the technique works. UI responds automatically to what the body senses without regard for the users thought process. If another fighter were able to convincingly feint they could force UI to dodge an attack that was never actually coming and potentially set up situations where they are able to force UI to block or counter instead of dodge. And if the second fighter can create a large enough gap in physical power then even blocking or countering could result in damage to the UI user.
If you really think about it, Vegeta is a incredible fighter and has more skill than Goku Vegeta, who started out as a brawler and is able to keep up with Goku Goku the person who trained with multiple martial arts, masters, martial, art, gods, and Vegeta who only knew how to punch and kick and throw key blast, is strong enough no skilled enough to rival Goku
All Vegeta gotta do is cover himself in haki energy if goku touch him he's dead at the very least losing a body part. So if goku use UI and can't be hit then Vegeta use the haki sheild then he can't be hit. Just like thoopo in the TOP
6-7 outta 10 times Goku wins. It depends on how the fight goes. Mid long fight Vegeta can win if he cautches Goku with a hard shot after taking damage while Gokus accuracy drops. Long term he would lose taking too much damage. Early in the fight Goku doesn’t get hit and if he hits Vegeta hard enough before he’s gets strong enough to tank super hard hits he wins
Vegetal ultra ego is equal to goku UI sign, being that they are both not mastered so I don’t think it’s a fair comparison until vegeta can master the UE
Yo btw idk if you collect or play the DBS card game but I just pulled the new God Rare Ultra Instinct Goku card the other day and I’m still freaking out about it!!!
I donno, One form is geared towards taking attacks and the other is about avoiding them, it'd be a war of atrition. UI only needs to wait out UE and wear it down.
Good point, however, Goku’s has more of a time limit than Vegeta’s. I feel like for both its a matter of “Whoever does this first-“ In Goku’s victory, he does more damage too fast for Vegeta to absorb. In Vegeta’s, he simply wears down Goku until he struggles to maintain or fully loses control of UI and then gg. Both are totally plausible
IMO UI is just on different level but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's an easy win for goku, tbh UE might be more useful against specific individuals but against UI goku?? I don't think so even tho they both haven't mastered the forms 100%, regardless of the comparison i just love the fact that each form reflects their respective nature 👌
I’ll admit this point is a bit confusing because of that line that he says. Though, he learned the technique in about an hour versus Goku learning it in like, what how long was he on Yardrat? A year? An hour scaled to (lowball) at least 9 months, he could probably pick it back up easily if he truly did forget it , but knowing his character he wouldnt want to main that technique since Goku had it first.
I believe that the fight will come down to, who can outsmart the other. They both know each others moves, they both know what their weakness are, it will be a case of who will outsmart the other and come out on top, with strength and power won't be enough to separate the two in my opinion.
I think Vegeta would win because of 2 main reasons. 1. Vegeta is a master of taking a beating. Between the slow methodical beating by Frieza, the nonstop assult of Kid Buu, and the battle with Toopo, this man will not stay down. 2. As shown in the after credit scene in DBS Super Hero, without transformations, Vegeta beat Goku. It was barely, but it did happen, and that shows a slight bit more endurance. Also, being that power levels are multiplied from base form and Ultra Ego is designed to increase power with damage received, it stands to reason that Vegeta would end up stronger than Goku by the end of the fight.
Vegeta wouldn't necessarily destroy Goku but he can nullify all of Goku projectiles. Conversely Goku will nullify Vegeta's physical attacks. UI slowly powers down and UE slowly grows stronger. The tipper is that Vegeta gets stronger off getting punched. It's basically a stalemate until someone gets tired first.
Vegeta definitely couldn't separate ui from goku bc it's his power. Also, we all know Vegeta would never try something like that bc of his pride as a saiyan warrior.
Which manga did you read?? Cuz I remember it happened the other way around, Vegeta got smoked by Gas and Goku overpowered gas and threw him into space.
What people don't get js that vegeta is not an android, he doesn't need to get hit to increase his strength, all it takes is to fuel his spirt 1 way or another. So in theory vegeta could bd stronger from the jump under the reasoning that he's fighting goku
paused the vid less than a minute in to say my gut thoughts before hearing the actual breakdown but, i feel like ue vegeta, for two reasons, he gets stronger as he takes damage, and we've seen ui goku get matched and even overpowered in some instances in the t o p, i havent been able to catch up on the manga but at least in super hero, we saw vegeta actually bested goku even though admittedly we didnt witness most of the fight
Geekdom You nailed it on the part about Vegeta not being able to separate Ultra Instinct. Spirit fission doesn't work that way. It can manipulate energy and fusions. But none of those have to do with Ultra Instinct unless you want to try and say Vegeta could just drain or steal all of Goku's ki which isn't happening and hasn't ever happened besides from Moro's abilities or 19 and Gero
It is Heroes, but I do believe Goku vs Xeno Goku kinda shows what could happen in a UI and UE fight. We don’t know much about Limit Breaker SSJ4, but what we can tell is it amps up all of the SSJ4 abilities. And what SSJ4 has are things like a large amount of stamina and the ability to adapt. Its adaptability is a far cry from UE especially since it doesn’t get a power boost from the damage, but it is still pretty good for what other forms have. And the endurance and stamina it has does make it hard to out right use the transformation of UI. Hence why Goku used most likely True UI against Xeno Goku’s Limit Breaker, then busting out UI form to end it, yet also fall down extremely exhausted as well. And it was a Goku vs Goku that have seen each other fight multiple times. So they definitely understand each other way better than anyone could. In conclusion a UI and UE fight would end the same. With Goku having the upper hand due to UI form and falling down exhausted with Vegeta. But the difference would be, UE would probably push Goku to use his UI form longer and even push to his Avatar form, just because how much more power UE will gain due to being hit by Goku.
Vegeta for the w the yardratians taught him so many techniques along with the potential to master ue mid fight it's a stretch but if Vegeta really wants to win the fight that bad he just might pull some cheap shit
Vegeta is not known as a cheater, he has a lot of pride but yet again he has controlled his emotions during his training with whis so he has come a long way, so I don't think he would fight dirty
@@rudym7608 I never said Vegeta would cheat I said he might pull some cheap shit and yes I know he has pride but it really doesn't effect him in a one on one it's mostly team fights or fusion that he dislikes
The really interesting thing is Vegeta was better at the Yardrat training than Goku. It took him 4 months and Goku was gone a year, he literally pulled off a successful IT after at most an hour.
Personally I feel Vegeta would win by a hair. Vegeta in the beginning was literally just wasting tons of energy nuking everything with huge amounts of ki or by overthinking his moves. Now he can manipulate energy in a more advanced way and even started implementing Jirens meditation techniques into his own to further make less energy wasting movements which will keep him at his peak longer. Vegeta even shows that his Battle IQ can make his movements comparable to UI when he fought Jiren and everyone thought he learned UI. What proves this even more is the fact during the time of Super Hero, Goku has already started learning to use UI without transforming.
Vegeta isn’t a brawler anymore because he train with Goku and kept up with him that only kept up with him, but rival him meaning they was all the same skill level. The only thing different between Goku and Vegeta is who is willing to kill faster that is it.
In regards to the sparring thing, Goku has never come across as the type to care whether he wins a spar. He’s going to try, but he’s not going to go to the wire. Vegeta will go to the wire in a spar. I’ve always seen Goku as the guy who will flop, but when it really comes down to it, he gets the job done and comes out on top. In a nutshell - Goku got plot 🤷♂️
dbs chapter 93 vegeta say he lose to all dbz dbs viiliens Because He does not control his energy well like jiren so wee need to see the naxt arc to judge whether he has changed if vegeta naxt arc no kiil main viilen That means they(akira toyoturu) will never let him win so is goku\gohan main show
I enjoy the discussion, but I feel this is an immovable object meets an unstoppable force scenario. Any attacks by UE would be dodged and any attacks by UI would be absorbed. It would end in a draw since they're pretty much made to be equals at this point but if a winner HAD to be picked, it's Vegeta just for the fact that he can take a beating. I feel he'd have a slight edge in stamina and endurance as well as be on the look out for some crazy ass pull move by Goku. Even though the Super Hero ending is a sparing match, they was both at their limits and the smaller Vegeta still won while Goku lost to Jackie Chun just because he was smaller.
"Whoever the writers wants to win." *- Stan Lee*
Good quote but for manga it’s different than comic books since there is one author and powerscaling madders
Very true. But still glad alot of our favorite characters are still get development and also transformations . As years ago no more transformations from the creator
@@yopup7 With everything that goes on these days, no it doesn't. If Toriyama or Toyotaro want a character to be stronger, they'll do it regardless of the scaling. Otherwise characters like Roshi wouldn't suddly get stronger out of nowhere.
So Goku wins
The comics and the dragon ball universe, has two different power scaling, especially the comics.
I think Goku and Vegetas’ new forms are exactly who they have always been. Goku more of a tournament fighter all the way back to dragon ball. Always one to hold back a form or level to see what the other fighter has.
Vegeta being one not to mess with. He doesn’t fight like Goku. He fights to win, kill or destroy quickly. Never a long drawn out battle. Never one to hold back a punch. His new form forces his opponents to fight like him. If his opponent doesn’t kill him quickly then Vegeta will do what he does best, destroy.
I say for now Goku wins. But man once Vegeta new form is mastered, it’s game over for Goku and everyone else.
How so? You could say that by the time Vegeta mastered UE, Goku could still be on top and mastering UI. It all depends on circumstances, neither of the two has an edge on each other because they both know each others style, moves in fighting. It will all come down to who can out smart the other in my opinion.
@@claudioschumi87 Yes, whoever outsmarts wins. It’s a battle. That’s how battles are. Anything can happen. Now again in just these two forms, both being mastered, killing allowed. I pick Vegeta.
Ue vegeta is literally a regression in his character. This form would be great for like saiyan-namek saga vegeta. But vegeta isn’t the same person as before and they’re pulling the Majin vegeta card again “I need to act like my old self and surpass kakarot” that’s Majin vegeta bro. And then vegeta kicks goku away like what?? That literally contradicts his character development since goku and vegeta teamed up with eachother multiple times in Dbs. In the ToP vegeta even suggested to team up against jiren. And in the anime they teamed up against zamasu. Now they’re regressing him again. And then vegeta gives up against gronola like what? That’s so out of character for him, vegeta inspired me to never give up no matter what and now they took that away from him? Trash writing. I don’t even blame it on dbs or toyotaro. I just think the gronola arc is garbage as a whole. Vegeta had a good arc in the Moro arc but they completely made a mockery out of him in the gronola arc and regressed him
This is also the same vegeta who went up to trunks when he was crying and inspired him to never give up no matter what. Thats the vegeta I know, they completely regressed him in the gronola arc and he started giving up like tf
@@aka-fusion8909 the real vegeta always keeps going no matter what !
I feels there’s a secret rule at Toai that vegeta can’t be stronger then goku for more then 5 episodes max
Vegeta Stronger than Goku Majority of the Moro arc
@@kaienglish271He wasn't....
@@MrRafie82he was, for like 5 and like 8min of the 6th ep, then toriyama was like, nope, not anymore 😂
FACTS, it's hard bein a vegeta fan
It honestly depends on who has mastered their technique more. Stamina plays a HUGE role in this fight because when they are both fresh and in their respective zones, they're insanely strong.
Cant goku win because ue is stronger but ui is faster so Vegeta can hit him so goku would win
@@AliveBones1trust me it’s not that easy since Vegeta gets stronger every hit and he could adapt to gokus moves like jiren did so goku is touchable he’s just a little faster
I think you guys did miss one thing: vegeta doesnt have to hakai goku directly to hit him. Beerus pointed out that Hakai greats a large explosion when hitting even things like rocks or armor...or gis.
Also, Vegeta cant seperate someone from their own power, only absorbed power.
So they missed TWO THINGS MWAHAHA
Jk
I'm confuse? Haki still does damage if it touches you right? It doesn't necessarily have to erase you but still deals damage?
@@SpikeTheWolf depends on durability. Generally, it can cause damage via explosions if something near or attached to the person is hakai'd instead of the person themselves.
Actually he can take power that belongs to the target as well…in the Moro Arc when vegeta was talking with the z fighters piccolo I think asked him if he can use forces spirt fission in reverse on them to take there power and vegeta said he could
also u cant read since vegeta said he could talking to piccolo
Geekdom be having anybody talk Dragonball with him.
I imagine that destruction energy combined with saiyan biology and the zenkai makes for a very broken power up the only flaw which is the same flaw with Broly is even though you can grow stronger and stronger if the gap is too wide between you and your opponent…it’s curtains
exactly
Its like Thor vs Hulk.
If Thor fights seriously from the start, Hulk may never have the chance to get angry and grow stronger.
Some with UI-EU comparison.
Problem is:
a) Goku never fights 100% from the start trying to test the opponent
b) Goku also doesnt try to hurt the opponent from the start for the same reason.
Its hard to tell who gets the upper hand
I personally always thought ultra ego suited Broly more than Vegeta just because Broly can take far more punishment and when he goes berserk, he knows only to destroy.
@@gammafrost yeah I wish the form was more like an analytical form where it’s based on countering .. and not dodging
I feel like UE is STRONGER and more durable based on his ability to take hits and convert the energy whereas Goku can't. But MUI is pretty effective at dodging attacks. I think they are equal in power overall based on their fights with Gas. They both kept evolving just to be equal. But I think Vegeta in theory has the edge in raw strength and durability IF he can manage to not lose control.
ue is strength
ui is speed
Ui is literally better in every single way, even durability goes to UI. Don’t u remember when Moro punched goku and his hand broke on his body? Yea ue vegeta isn’t doing shit like that in terms of durability. His only dura feat is him getting constantly beaten up by granola till he eventually gives up. Physical strength is also ui since goku can use the susuano form. I’m a huge vegeta fan but UI goku is one shotting UE vegeta and it’s not close
@@aka-fusion8909 I disagree. Vegeta taking hits is a good example of durability. Plus he got better against Gas. As for strength I think the giant form is dangerous for sure but I don't think it's a one punch fight.
I bet vageta learned the growing technique and multiple clone technique from the yardradts along with yeleport and the spirit fision . He might no more then we think . Surly when he gose Vageto Gogeta he should have learned kioken...
@@ninjawaver goku in ssb fought better against gas and gronola then vegeta did in his strongest transformation. Just imagine MUI
Vegeta actually has a full deck of cards to play with im his arsenal after yardrat like forced spirit fission,instant transmission and better ki control in conjunction with ultra ego that could make him troublesome in battle
All of those don't do anything against Goku since he knows them
@@SuperSikarlo Goku doesn't know Forced Spirit Fission, he wasn't able to learn it so that implies that not only did Vegeta got more out of the training but he did so in way less time then Goku.
@@stephenschneekloth1535They were in completely different stages of their martial arts journey when they reached Yardrat. Of course Vegeta should do it in less time
Goku wins, of course.
Now this is an absolute tough one to decide. And honestly I see this hypothetical fight coming to a draw due to the uniqueness of Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego
Vegeta should get the win on paper. Plot might give it to Goku
thats what i was finna say
Well the show is called Dragon ball not Goku so it could go to anyone
@@rudym7608Goku has always been the main character though
What is this paper?
Why should he win on paper? UI is superior last time i checked!
Vegeta would win because he's stronger in base and in the end that is what it will come down to. The core. Whis himself confirmed Vegeta's realization about how to go beyond. It's why Vegeta just edged out Goku. Also, despite Vegeta getting Ultra Ego later than Goku's Ultra Instinct, his prodigal ability allows him to catch up very quickly. He mastered all of Goku's Z abilities in a shorter time on Yardrat. Ultimately, what I've observed about their rivalry is the following. Naturally, Vegeta is stronger and better than Goku. Goku however uses his determination and knowledge from so many masters that he goes beyond the decifit he is at with Vegeta. i.e. transformations and new techniques. Vegeta has to catch up, only for Goku to then ascend again. However, generally speaking; peep the trend.
Vegeta is stronger in base. Goku turns SS to surpass Vegeta. Vegeta turns SS, stronger than Goku's SS (arguably due to a heart attack but just going on what was stated in the anime and manga) Goku Master, and other grades of SS to surpass Vegeta. Vegeta's "Living" SS2 form is stronger than Gohan's version as proven when he notices Goku's "dead" SS2 form is stronger than Gohan but "Equal" to Vegeta. However, Goku has SS3 in his pocket to SURPASS Vegeta again. But peep game... Vegeta's Living SS2 was equal to Goku's Dead SS2. That's not supposed to be the case. Goku is supposed to be stronger because he was dead and didn't have a body as a disadvantage as Vegeta. In any event, Vegeta's SS2 in "Super" is stronger than Goku's SS3 which is definitely more refined than in Z. Goku ascends AGAIN, to SSG through a ritual which Goku states he did not like the fact that he did not "earn" it through training. Vegeta, Climbs the mountain and trains with Whis, and master's SSG and gains SSB with Goku. Now they're even. Vegeta at a massive deficit caught up. However, there is one notable point during their training. Goku who had SSG in him and I suspect Vegeta as well... carried a lighter weight than Vegeta when training to get to Blue. This was stated by Whis himself. Thus the point I'm making is that at the time of the SSB training they were even... but Vegeta carried a heavier weight and stood overnight to train while Goku's body gave out and he rested. Just pointing out what was in the Anime.
Goku then adds a technique to give him the edge over Vegeta in KK to put him above Vegeta but then Vegeta EVOLVES Blue to put him even or arguably above SSB KK minus none of the drawbacks of KK. Now UI and UE and although Goku is up in terms of time with UI, how much longer do you think it will take Vegeta to close that gap? So what this comes down to is who is stronger in base form? Thus in Super Whis put it to the test, and despite Goku's ability to constantly surpass Vegeta who started out stronger than him, they both reached their limits but there can only be one winner and that winner was edged out by Vegeta.
In conclusion, in their ultimate forms, I think the result would be the same. Vegeta would win because his base core "SHOULD" edge Goku out based on this "TREND". Whey they are at the same Power Level, Vegeta is just a bit stronger. Saiyajin Saga proved it. Buu Saga Proved it, Whis Training for SSB proved it and now Super Hero the movie proved it. Thus objectively speaking by the track record, unless Goku can "ASCEND" in mid-match against Vegeta, if he squares up evenly, Vegeta wins. Vegeta was always stronger from the jump. Goku just found ways to catch up and go beyond. Hope this was worth the read for you.
also vegeta in ssj2 was stronger than goku in ssj3 in their respective fights with beerus, stated by beerus himself.
I said the same thing vegeta was always stronger.
Stop he can’t beat goku
@@Saviiq beat goku 3 times
"Vegeta would win because he's stronger in base" headcanon
A RUclips Animator by the name of "Hyourinjutsu" actually made a What-If Battle between UI Goku and UE Vegeta and his interpretation of how it would turn out. I highly recommend watching it, its really good.
thanks!
@Geekdom101 No problem 👍
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Personally I think Vegeta would win by functionality UI is better but adaptability wise UE is better. Another thing is that I think Vegeta knows how Goku fights better than Goku knowing how Vegeta fights, Vegeta has been seen to be learning more ways to improve in skill for example the Super Hero film Beerus is even able to notice the change in his movements. I believe a current Vegeta with UE with his slight changes would be able to withstand the first few hits to slowly over power Goku in UI
Yeah but goku is the main character, i'm not even surprised if goku can combine super Saiyan blue with UI and kaioken x 100 😂
No it’s not? Ui has better adaptability, ui has a battle growth ability similar to Broly or even better, showcased in his fight against jiren and even stated in the official DBS guide, he naturally grows as he fights but that’s only in the white haired form and he needs to have proper control for it to work and by that I mean have the Moro arc level of control.
@@paulgilbert3139 I mean not really think about Super how many wins has Goku got. Didn’t beat Beerus , Hit , Zamasu , Granola, Gas or Frieza. Him and Vegeta are the MCs now Ngl
@@abhaypatel605 but we never see this adaptation in the manga. In the Granola arc UI was not adapting at all Goku just changed his mindset. For Vegetas very first awakening of UE you see he’s better than MUI Goku and can use it more frequently as well.
@@kaienglish271Because UI doesn't fit the nature of Saiyans while UE fits the Saiyan Nature like a glove, so unlike Vegeta, Goku needed to modify UI to fit into his Nature as a Saiyan.
It’s always been shown that fighters near or above Goku’s power lever can outspeed the auto dodge of UI. i.e Jiren, Granolah, Moro, Black Frieza etc. So I don’t think UE Vegeta will have a problem connecting hits with Goku
“Goku has the upperhand because he has more techniques”
This dude no offense was glazing Goku all vid. Im a realistic vegeta fan, hes my fav but I understand he gets shafted for plot.
Vegeta got SF, UE (super armor basically), maintains his Ultra form with no time limit or drawback, destruction energy, plus his UE is basically a zenkai glitch. Not to mention he knows Instant Trans. now as well. Goku’s arsenal consists of a time strained Ultra Instinct, Instant Trans, Spirit Bomb (cant use), Kaioken (wouldnt use unless drastic), and Kamehameha.
Meanwhile manga Vegeta whipped out everything I said + ki swords and shit, with his durability, stamina, power boost OT, and techniques, he’d outlast Goku until he becomes stronger than him and eventually wins. (ON PAPER, logically) However, it is Goku’s show, I’d totally see them adding a drawback or something to Vegeta to give Goku the edge to win. Its close for sure, but to say Goku “stomps”, you’re glazing.💀
Goku has better durability then vegeta, don’t u remember when moros hand broke on gokus body? UE vegeta has shit dura feats the only feats he has is getting his ass beat by gronola until he eventually drops out of the form. UI goku literally takes every category except for IQ
@@aka-fusion8909bro idky you keep ignoring the point that a CLONE of Granolah 1 shot MUI Goku while Vegeta in UE was beating his ass and pushin him to get stronger lol
@@Chris-xc1hm Goku got a zenkai boost lol. Do u think Goku just stays at the same strength? It’s literally stated by vegeta that saiyans get stronger in every fight, especially after near death battles (which Goku had with gronola) and Goku was stronger after his first fight with gronola. He got a massive zenkai boost after he got healed and it was strong enough to surpass vegeta.
@@aka-fusion8909 okay using ur logic the first fight with vegeta and granola he got a zenkai boost. He then fought and got damaged by gas aswell as goku. He then fought gas again with goku. He then fought gas by himself and got a zenkai he then fought gas again with goku as TUI and got a zenkai so using ur logic vegeta should be right up with goku
You seem to forget the last fight with goku and vegeta vs gas. Vegeta kept up with TUI goku even damaged gas with a kick to the sky soo
Goku easily, Vegeta would just brag about how he's getting stronger then just faint within the next 10 seconds.
Doesn't help Goku has always been Toriyama's poster boy and never let Vegeta get a decent W
@@lordhades598 Aye, Main character treatment, it is what it is.
Yea even tho I’m a huge vegeta fan toyotaro gave vegeta a useless transformation that has no feats at all.
@@aka-fusion8909huh? Goku beat the weak clone of Granolah then got wiped. Vegeta crushed him, Granolah awakened then he still had to trade life for life againat Vegeta. Vegeta greater compared to Goku. Against Gas Vegeta also did better until Goku pulled out True UI to go ahead of Vegeta again.
Considering Vegeta only reached UE hours before and Goku has been monkeying around with UI for something approaching 2 years I don't think UE is a useless form at all.
@@specialnewb9821 no after vegeta started losing goku stepped in as a ssb and started to fight evenly with gronola, then vegeta got mad when goku saved him so he kicked him away.
If we break this down analytically:
Goku has had several arcs and well over a full year with ultra instinct to practice and perfect it. UI Sign he could already access and maintain with ease after Merus’ training. Perfected/Mastered UI comes at the end of the Moro arc, where Goku has full control over the form. Granolah then battles this form with his avatar self and gets bodied. But once Granolah uses his true self, he catches Goku off guard and knocks him out in 1 hit. The question is, how was Goku in MUI caught off guard? It makes no sense. The form is designed so that, in its perfected state, your body should be moving on its own no matter what happens during combat. Being caught off guard should no longer be a concept to Goku, which suggests 1 of 2 things. 1, goku hasn’t fully mastered UI by that point. And yeah, sure, he has a lot to learn. But he should’ve at least been able to dodge that hit from granolah. Or 2, Granolah at his Maximum was THAT much stronger than PUI/MUI Goku, that he could in fact 1 shot MUI Goku at any point.
Now look at Vegeta. He attains Ultra Ego, and within seconds of attaining that form, he’s already bodying full power Granolah. It wasn’t until Vegeta took too much damage that he wasn’t able to continue the fight. He had Granolah on the ropes so hard that Granolah had to fully utilize his Cerealian powers using both his eyes, a technique unique to his race, to get the perfect energy snipe on Vegeta, which effectively ends the fight. Vegeta takes too much damage, and he’s out.
Right off the bat, that all tells me that UE is at LEAST as strong if not stronger than MUI/PUI. It wasn’t until Goku got True Ultra Instinct vs Gas that Goku seemed to pass Vegeta in power by a little bit.
Taking everything into account that I just explained, UE is the more powerful form. Goku has had way more time with UI to learn it and master it. Vegeta had UE for 5 minutes, and it already seemed more impressive than Perfected UI. Give Vegeta as much time with UE as Goku has had with UI, then let them fight. I don’t see Goku winning a fight against someone who has mastered the ability to take damage and convert it into power. That ability could potentially be limitless. Plus Vegeta has hakai, a type of energy that literally erases anything it touches from existence. Goku has no chance on an even playing field against Vegeta. Ultra Ego is just Ultra Instinct on fucking steroids.
Goku’s limitations are his body, if someone is faster than him UI can see it coming but not be able to dodge. I don’t think goku let his guard down, never was stated so. Granola said he was less accurate and he seen an opening. Granola was the strongest in the universe and ui doesn’t make him able to dodge anything.
Vegeta performed better against granolah with less training in a new form I j think Vegeta simply wins at the moment@@samuraisouljones6295
I still have my money on Mui Goku. The problem on UE is that yeah on paper it seems ridiculously stronger, but Vegeta has kinda failed with UE. Goku did use haki more effectively than vegeta who he has to train just to destroy some rocks. Also Vegeta just can't handle taking damage from Goku.
All IK is if mappa animated the fight it would be insane@@Ivanzillaking
@@savagetoby Fr it will be heat
Goku whoops that ass 😂nah I’m playing it’s a very close battle 50/50 fight
Vegeta is stronger. Hi did better job vs Granolah. He won against Goku in Super Hero. Vegeta have better potential.
@@zetset8098 did you forget who did better agsinst gas the person who beat granolah
@@ajtrolls8272 Goku only trolled Gas like his father Bardock. It's not always about power levels... Gas is more stupid than Fat Buu... Goku is more experienced so he just used weak points of Gas. It's like Roshi vs Jiren in manga... Roshi not was Blue or BE power level but still was able to have some fight with Jiren.
Granolah lost to Gas because he was trying compare his power level to power level of Gas... Goku was just smarter, like David against Goliath.
Granolah still was stronger(in raw power) than Vegeta and Goku, he almost killed Gas with his special attack. "Almost" only because he not wanted kill Gas, he not wanted revange anymore.
So as you see and as you probably still not accept this (because 99% fans of Goku are close minded) Goku not was that strong but he is still good warrior cuz his experience and skills.
@@zetset8098 you’re so stupid, granolah literally had to get healed 2 times after gas beat him twice. Goku also had to tank a blast that vegata nor granolah were able to do against gas. Gas wished to be the strongest and was currently stated to be the strongest. You’re also forgetting vegeta getting beat 5 seconds into the gas and goku had to take him 1v1 with PERFECT ssb. Also Tui did do the best in that whole fight, a form that lets goku think for himself. Finally before gas was about to kill Granolah and Vegeta. Goku had to use his big avatar to grab gas back and hold him back which sent him to the sky. Frieza then finished the fight. Vegeta fanboys need to accept that both goku and gohan are currently stronger
I think they will be equal or stalement because each techniques complements each techniques disadvantages
Y'all need to get more ppl in this discussion this would be a GREAT roundtable 🤣🔥💯
Yeah dude was going around in circles
@@23trahan23 I just think Prod doesn't like Vegeta
If Goku goes all out, full power blast or punch from the start, then Goku I feel.
But Goku doesn’t usually play that way. So if Vegeta wasn’t taken out fast enough, Vegeta wins.
I think Goku and Vegeta would both know that though.
Ssb goku is enough for UE vegeta we don’t even need TUI or MUI
@@aka-fusion8909right… Who beat Moro when he fused with 73 initially? SSBE Vegeta or UI Sign Goku? Oh word.
Who got one shotted in MUI by a clone and who almost beat the real things ass in a form he JUST unlocked? Ahh, word.
@@Chris-xc1hmue vegeta literally does nothing but get his ass beat. Goku in ssb did better then ue vegeta did against gronola and gas. He’ll even ssbe is more useful then ue since vegeta was actually useful in that form. Like in the anime he beat toppo and in the manga vegeta helped buy time for goku and even took away energy from Moro and gave it to goku. Unlike in UE which his form literally did nothing to impact the overall outcome, even if he didn’t have ue the overall outcome would be the same. The form is useless, give vegeta a new form
@@aka-fusion8909its useless because he didnt win? Wtf. Nigga he didnt do anything of use in SSBE besides fight Toppo and Moro then. Blud, UE Vegeta PUSHED Granolah, NOT THE CLONE, REAL Granolah to his limits where he grew stronger, pushing Vegeta to be stronger. This led to Granolah AND Vegeta being stronger than before and helping them against their battle with Gas, which i guess in turn helped Goku to level up and play catch up. Not to mention, Vegeta was deadass solo’ing Gas while Goku sat there because AS HE SAID “Why do i have a better handle on my UE while your UI has stayed the same?! Figure it out!” Then when he did, they jumped Gas. Implying they were on a similar field. UE Vegeta is a tanking powerhouse with a power build up similar to Broly’s. Idk what crack you smoked to say SSB Goku beats UE but i need sum.
@@Chris-xc1hmdidnt vegeta get washed both times and got saved both times by goku? Didnt goku wash gas with omen while vegeta decided to take a nap because his transformation made him take too much damage? “oH wOrD”
I got vegeta winning , even gas was scared to get hit by vegeta before he passed out , and then after that they both was relative to each other fighting old gas, and Goku not dodging every attack, if somebody at the some power as him or has more than him they can touch him , that was proven with Moro Jiren , gas and granola
Someone who reads the manga
With goku losing his accuracy to his damage not being as potent I can’t see vegeta losing
Vegeta in a close ass fight 🤷🏾♂️
The winner is Black Frieza
did we not read the manga vegeta had gas terrified but not one youtuber brings that up to explain that vegeta was most likely stronger than gas when he passed out making him the strongest mortal in that moment. than tui happen and continue the fight we dont actually know where vegeta power lands it could literally be equal to tui thats why gas was scared because he could tell he was about to get dragged.
U the only one who’s noticed that out of every video I’ve seen. And IT’s further shown when goku and vegeta fight gas one last time. Both seem relative to each attack gas together makes it seem like they’re equal
From the end I see them two as equals in their respective forms and if they’re equal vegeta most likely wins
@@lilsharkie8628this is exactly what I thought. They are equal with similar techniques and now, transformations. However, Goku seems to always struggle with his while Vegeta even points out he’s gotten such a good handle on his that Goku is lacking (which leads to TUI).
If goku uses tui and ends the fight fast enough then he wins. If he doesnt the. Vegeta will catch up and surpass him if given the opportunity
Goku in ssb is enough for full power ue vegeta no need for TUI
@@aka-fusion8909 cmon man😂😂
@@spoof2062seeing him comment this more than once i see hes def trolling loll
UI wins over UE if you really think about it. Early fight UI takes this beacause of dodging, mid fight they are equal because UE is chardged by blows it got in the early fight and UI is now using automatic blocks, in the late fight people think that UE would be too much for the UI, but in the late fight UI can go into ki avatar to defend against hakai and true UI to have furious attacks and UE can take limited damadge, so can UI, but in the early fight UI did not recive damadge while UE did, so ... UI > UE.
Ue is stronger, he pushed granola to unlock more of his power… tui and ue are even after they heal from moniato
I mean it's Vegeta.. he loses by mere virtue of being Vegeta and losing just being what he does.
I know U.E Vegeta Wins Because He Always Has Beat Goku ☑️... In Z Vegeta Won Twice 🥇🥇 in Super Vegeta Won 🥇 If So by Now 28 year into My Life I don't Think There's Any circumstance where Goku Could Win lol 📉... Vegetas Stronger = 🥇 + He's a way more Physical Fighter 🥇 + He Gets Considerably Stronger With Damage 📈🥇 all Indicates That goku would do Decent For The first 3Min But after Vegeta East Kakorots strongest Attack and adds that To His Power 💥📈 hed easily just Knock out Kakorot like Every otha time they fought ☑️
I see this as an unstoppable force vs. immovable object scenario. Due to the immeasurable strength and experince of both fighters, at their peak the battle will crawl to a standstill. One literally can't exist without the other, Yin to the Yang. A vegeta victory required restrictions: no ki blasts, or power-ups of any kind. It's just basically a "Fox Only, No Items, Final Destination" scenario. That sparring match became a true contest of SKILL, a true clash between ideologies. Goku doesn't need to meditate, as in his eyes, he's already doing it by resting well. Vegeta meditates, though he's more literal.
Well I don't know if it'll beat Goku or not but in the t.o.p Vegeta was able to do that explosion to technique he used on boo and not die. Now what if you did the same thing but with the God of destruction power.?
I feel like with vegetas mental training and change of mindset he’ll be able to access the base form of ui like beerus vs the GOD before the TOP and for me it’s hard to say Goku is stronger when granolas clone prices goku up and veheta was pushing and pushed gronalah to a new level and Gas equally whooped on them
But as to why I think vegeta would win because he just has better control over his power after yardrat and his mental training will deepen his power
Yall greatly underestimating the fact that when Vegeta gets hit he gets stronger the man doesn't even have to break a sweat. He can double his power while goku cannot. Vegeta can start at 5 and then get to 10 while goku can start on 5 and go down. Without a bean or someone healing him goku would lose
Just thought of a theory
Imagine if the end of dragonball super goku and vegeta have a Final battle and then both die. Zeno bring them back and make them the angel and G.O.D Of uni 7
The match we all want to see! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Goku said it himself when they was in the room of spirit and time Goku said that Vegeta found counters that Goku didn’t even know he had and the other way around I don’t know why a lot of people think Vegeta is a brawler. He’s on the same level as Goku you can’t rival somebody if you’re not on their level, you can’t be a master black belt, but getting rival by a street brawler that wouldn’t even make sense but I still think Goku will beat Vegeta because Goku had ultra instinct longer. Meaning he had more experience.
I'm really racking my brains, had Vegeta really ever lost a direct fight with Goku?
I feel like MUI vs UE would be an equal fight or Goku would win but TUI makes Goku fight similar to Vegeta and an angel TUI Goku is most definitely stronger than UE Vegeta
Yall have a very misconstrued understanding of how forced spirit fission works. Also UE's ability to "absorb" or "tank" hits. I need to be invited on a livestream
Forced Spirit fission can't turn off UI or Kaioken
I honestly think that the vegeta fanboys will say vegeta just cause same with the goku fanboys will just say goku just because
Thing to remember to is UI it lets the body move and react on it's own, taking away any lost reaction that'd occur from having to think about your next move. But it's not necessarily that it can't be touched. If Vegeta can endure with UE long enough that his power and speed surpasses Goku, it won't matter how fast Goku's reaction time is. Goku even with UI is still bound by what his body is physically capable of.
Vegeta hasn't mastered U.E yet so meh
Vegeta will always remain under Goku (real fight) this is his Karma for destroying Nappa who he felt was under him. 😂
Oh my God, the second person stupid if you combine every single one Google form you will still not even match power ultra instinct for actually because it’s not only that he just done them on his own. He’s moving on his own. He’s on his own. He goes to 100 how do you see the movie, Goku will never combo you don’t even do combos but instinct nothing else making every single combo every technique. Everything else is wanted is not dodging attack is way more.
Goku, he knows Vegetas techniques, and Vegeta has always struggled learning what goku does next
Braindead logic
@@mando7323 Braindead reply
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I feel like Prided Waife is biased tbh 🤣 I respect his opinion but I think he heavily underestimated Vegeta by saying Goku should be a lot stronger. Like huh?? Characters get surpassed all the time 🤣🤣 great video tho🔥🔥
He was glazing Goku all video mad weird. Like Vegeta didnt surpass UI Sign Goku in the Moro Arc in Blue Evolution… Vegeta’s power and techniques atp always relative to Goku’s, with UE now the field is leveled.
If we're talking manga UI then Vegeta wins.
In the Manga UI decreases in accuracy and effectiveness after only a small duration of time. While in the anime it seems to be the opposite, even after attaining MUI Goku continued to get faster and sharper against Jiren.
Goku hasn't truly mastered UI, and i don't think he ever will. It's not Goku's fault. it's simply because he's a mortal saiyan and MUI goes against his nature.
Ultra Ego mastery on the other hand seems more achievable as you don't have to be born a God of Destruction, its heavily implied that all the GOD's were born mortals and were promoted to the position after training and probably being permanently in the ego state. An example would be Topo succeeding Belmold or Whis asking Vegeta to succeed Beerus.
But there's never an example of mortal replacing an Angel. It's something they're born into. True masterly of UI would be Goku being in instinct indefinitely, as a base state with no stamina drain. And he's far from achieving that.
I would take vegeta. This fight would be more of a battle of attrition as opposed to power. Like in the movie where vegeta takes the W by outlasting goku, something similar would take place here. Vegeta in history has shown his durability in one on one’s against goku based off the saiyan history imo. So I think it’s a stalemate or vegeta slightly takes it
This is an interesting debate; however, I believe Goku will win over Vegeta. My reason for this is the ability to problem-solve during battle. An example of this is when Vegeta fought Hit during the Beerus-Champa tournament. Goku tried to gather intel from Jaco and Vegeta about Hit to try to overcome his Time-skip to no avail. Vegeta during the battle couldn't figure out how to overcome Hit's ability and could not once harm Hit. Goku had the same issue for a while and was doing trial and error until he found something that worked. Now if we take this fight and apply to Goku vs. Vegeta in this instance, there would be overlapping similarities. Vegeta would struggle to overcome his UI and finds himself taking all the damaged again and not being able to land a hit on Goku. It is like history repeating itself, unless it becomes a battle of attrition. If that is the case, then maybe Vegeta's form may out last Goku's UI and therefore has advantage over him. He would have to tank a considerable amount of time for Goku's UI to run out, and that is a difficult feat to accomplish. This is my reasoning on why I believe Goku will win over Vegeta.
What does vegeta have to do to beat goku??
Short answer: FORCED SPIRIT FISSION
I feel like UI could actually be countered by someone who understands how the technique works. UI responds automatically to what the body senses without regard for the users thought process. If another fighter were able to convincingly feint they could force UI to dodge an attack that was never actually coming and potentially set up situations where they are able to force UI to block or counter instead of dodge. And if the second fighter can create a large enough gap in physical power then even blocking or countering could result in damage to the UI user.
Thank you .. nobody ever says this .. use his instincts against him .. obviously you would have to be very strong but yeah
If you really think about it, Vegeta is a incredible fighter and has more skill than Goku Vegeta, who started out as a brawler and is able to keep up with Goku Goku the person who trained with multiple martial arts, masters, martial, art, gods, and Vegeta who only knew how to punch and kick and throw key blast, is strong enough no skilled enough to rival Goku
Vegeta 3 Goku 0 so even if Goku wins he still loses but consider the score you can chalk up another victory for the Prince.
All Vegeta gotta do is cover himself in haki energy if goku touch him he's dead at the very least losing a body part. So if goku use UI and can't be hit then Vegeta use the haki sheild then he can't be hit. Just like thoopo in the TOP
6-7 outta 10 times Goku wins. It depends on how the fight goes. Mid long fight Vegeta can win if he cautches Goku with a hard shot after taking damage while Gokus accuracy drops. Long term he would lose taking too much damage. Early in the fight Goku doesn’t get hit and if he hits Vegeta hard enough before he’s gets strong enough to tank super hard hits he wins
Goku wins because hes Goku
Vegetal ultra ego is equal to goku UI sign, being that they are both not mastered so I don’t think it’s a fair comparison until vegeta can master the UE
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No disrespect but your guest is shooting from the hip.
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I donno, One form is geared towards taking attacks and the other is about avoiding them, it'd be a war of atrition. UI only needs to wait out UE and wear it down.
Good point, however, Goku’s has more of a time limit than Vegeta’s. I feel like for both its a matter of “Whoever does this first-“
In Goku’s victory, he does more damage too fast for Vegeta to absorb.
In Vegeta’s, he simply wears down Goku until he struggles to maintain or fully loses control of UI and then gg. Both are totally plausible
IMO UI is just on different level but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's an easy win for goku, tbh UE might be more useful against specific individuals but against UI goku?? I don't think so even tho they both haven't mastered the forms 100%, regardless of the comparison i just love the fact that each form reflects their respective nature 👌
11:39 geekdom out here using too much intelligence in the convo and needs to dumb it down for the cohost 😮
It doesn’t seem like Geekdoms guest really knows much about DB…
Well vegeta did straight up tell goku he didn’t really learn it he used it, and that he probably wouldn’t be able to do it again
I’ll admit this point is a bit confusing because of that line that he says. Though, he learned the technique in about an hour versus Goku learning it in like, what how long was he on Yardrat? A year? An hour scaled to (lowball) at least 9 months, he could probably pick it back up easily if he truly did forget it , but knowing his character he wouldnt want to main that technique since Goku had it first.
Goku. Simple. He’s the better fighter.
Yet he's lost in every fight he's had with vegeta 😂
Can Vegeta use Forced Spirit Fission to remove someone's regualr Ki?
If u can’t hit him u can’t win. Vegeta can only take so much damage in UE. I think it’s pretty simple just based off of that.
I believe that the fight will come down to, who can outsmart the other. They both know each others moves, they both know what their weakness are, it will be a case of who will outsmart the other and come out on top, with strength and power won't be enough to separate the two in my opinion.
I think Vegeta would win because of 2 main reasons.
1. Vegeta is a master of taking a beating. Between the slow methodical beating by Frieza, the nonstop assult of Kid Buu, and the battle with Toopo, this man will not stay down.
2. As shown in the after credit scene in DBS Super Hero, without transformations, Vegeta beat Goku. It was barely, but it did happen, and that shows a slight bit more endurance. Also, being that power levels are multiplied from base form and Ultra Ego is designed to increase power with damage received, it stands to reason that Vegeta would end up stronger than Goku by the end of the fight.
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Vegeta wouldn't necessarily destroy Goku but he can nullify all of Goku projectiles. Conversely Goku will nullify Vegeta's physical attacks. UI slowly powers down and UE slowly grows stronger. The tipper is that Vegeta gets stronger off getting punched. It's basically a stalemate until someone gets tired first.
Vegeta definitely couldn't separate ui from goku bc it's his power. Also, we all know Vegeta would never try something like that bc of his pride as a saiyan warrior.
What do you mean by separate?
If Gokus susano is a big thing a energy then vegeta should be able to break it down with spirit fission
Vegeta in UE was able to kill Gas (but sadly burned out to finish the job) while Goku in UI was not able to do it
Which manga did you read?? Cuz I remember it happened the other way around, Vegeta got smoked by Gas and Goku overpowered gas and threw him into space.
In my opinion I still think vegeta has another form Mastered ultra ego then I would like to see how that turns out
What people don't get js that vegeta is not an android, he doesn't need to get hit to increase his strength, all it takes is to fuel his spirt 1 way or another. So in theory vegeta could bd stronger from the jump under the reasoning that he's fighting goku
paused the vid less than a minute in to say my gut thoughts before hearing the actual breakdown but, i feel like ue vegeta, for two reasons, he gets stronger as he takes damage, and we've seen ui goku get matched and even overpowered in some instances in the t o p, i havent been able to catch up on the manga but at least in super hero, we saw vegeta actually bested goku even though admittedly we didnt witness most of the fight
Geekdom You nailed it on the part about Vegeta not being able to separate Ultra Instinct. Spirit fission doesn't work that way. It can manipulate energy and fusions. But none of those have to do with Ultra Instinct unless you want to try and say Vegeta could just drain or steal all of Goku's ki which isn't happening and hasn't ever happened besides from Moro's abilities or 19 and Gero
I giving it to Goku this time lol let him beat Vegeta for once 😂
The question is how much damage can vegeta take? We know there’s a limit because he got 1 shot by frieza 😅but can goku get the Knockout 😮
Vegeta would take this win currently.
Hey Geekdom i really need this question answered does goku have the potential to become a villain
Ngl I think ui is just the superior teq but ue is pretty dope
Goku has yet to beat vegeta in a one on one and I don’t think vegeta plans to start now
It is Heroes, but I do believe Goku vs Xeno Goku kinda shows what could happen in a UI and UE fight. We don’t know much about Limit Breaker SSJ4, but what we can tell is it amps up all of the SSJ4 abilities. And what SSJ4 has are things like a large amount of stamina and the ability to adapt. Its adaptability is a far cry from UE especially since it doesn’t get a power boost from the damage, but it is still pretty good for what other forms have. And the endurance and stamina it has does make it hard to out right use the transformation of UI. Hence why Goku used most likely True UI against Xeno Goku’s Limit Breaker, then busting out UI form to end it, yet also fall down extremely exhausted as well. And it was a Goku vs Goku that have seen each other fight multiple times. So they definitely understand each other way better than anyone could. In conclusion a UI and UE fight would end the same. With Goku having the upper hand due to UI form and falling down exhausted with Vegeta. But the difference would be, UE would probably push Goku to use his UI form longer and even push to his Avatar form, just because how much more power UE will gain due to being hit by Goku.
Vegeta for the w the yardratians taught him so many techniques along with the potential to master ue mid fight it's a stretch but if Vegeta really wants to win the fight that bad he just might pull some cheap shit
Vegeta is not known as a cheater, he has a lot of pride but yet again he has controlled his emotions during his training with whis so he has come a long way, so I don't think he would fight dirty
@@rudym7608 I never said Vegeta would cheat I said he might pull some cheap shit and yes I know he has pride but it really doesn't effect him in a one on one it's mostly team fights or fusion that he dislikes
The really interesting thing is Vegeta was better at the Yardrat training than Goku. It took him 4 months and Goku was gone a year, he literally pulled off a successful IT after at most an hour.
Personally I feel Vegeta would win by a hair. Vegeta in the beginning was literally just wasting tons of energy nuking everything with huge amounts of ki or by overthinking his moves. Now he can manipulate energy in a more advanced way and even started implementing Jirens meditation techniques into his own to further make less energy wasting movements which will keep him at his peak longer. Vegeta even shows that his Battle IQ can make his movements comparable to UI when he fought Jiren and everyone thought he learned UI. What proves this even more is the fact during the time of Super Hero, Goku has already started learning to use UI without transforming.
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Vegeta isn’t a brawler anymore because he train with Goku and kept up with him that only kept up with him, but rival him meaning they was all the same skill level. The only thing different between Goku and Vegeta is who is willing to kill faster that is it.
In regards to the sparring thing, Goku has never come across as the type to care whether he wins a spar. He’s going to try, but he’s not going to go to the wire. Vegeta will go to the wire in a spar.
I’ve always seen Goku as the guy who will flop, but when it really comes down to it, he gets the job done and comes out on top.
In a nutshell - Goku got plot 🤷♂️
Correction: Angel vs. God
dbs chapter 93 vegeta say he lose to all dbz dbs viiliens Because He does not control his energy well like jiren so wee need to see the naxt arc to judge whether he has changed
if vegeta naxt arc no kiil main viilen That means they(akira toyoturu) will never let him win so is goku\gohan main show
I enjoy the discussion, but I feel this is an immovable object meets an unstoppable force scenario. Any attacks by UE would be dodged and any attacks by UI would be absorbed. It would end in a draw since they're pretty much made to be equals at this point but if a winner HAD to be picked, it's Vegeta just for the fact that he can take a beating. I feel he'd have a slight edge in stamina and endurance as well as be on the look out for some crazy ass pull move by Goku. Even though the Super Hero ending is a sparing match, they was both at their limits and the smaller Vegeta still won while Goku lost to Jackie Chun just because he was smaller.
>Ultra Jobber
Gee I wonder.