i could not include the entire manifesto for obvious reasons (lol), but if you would like to read the whole thing (1 min read) he better explains why specifically incelcore, though identifiable, is a bad name for it net effectively
@@scienz that's where you are wrong, I want all the negative tags they want to give me. You tards are arguing as if "punk" wasn't an insult too in the begining.
Old vid but I still disagree with NXP himself. Does he not remember literally 3-4 years before this, he was called "school shooter", making tribute songs to mass shooters, and every other song was about bitter incel themes. so why would he be confused that the scene got known as incelcore? there's a lot of stuff that can be considered bedroom punk, incelcore can be considered a more specific subgenre of bedroom punk then. cuz again, not every soundcloud guy recording edgy songs in their room, is making songs about elliot rodger, nikolas cruz, seung hui cho, etc. that was the whole theme and what got you started, making songs about the feeling of being an outcasted loser with no friends, gets no girls, hates everything. it was very unique at the time and there wasn't much like it.
At the time it was very unique but throughout the history of punk I don’t think it’s that uncommon to sing about being bitter about a girl, or even about rioting or being skinheads. It’s not exactly the same but school shootings weren’t as common in the 80s but the LA riots had just happened so they included those themes. To me it really seems like punk got rebranded into a safe package and I feel NXP is more punk than most bands calling themselves punk nowadays because he actually cuts against the grain, rather than just following a visual and auditory aesthetic. It’s no longer really counter culture to wear black and have tattoos and do drugs. It’s pretty much just a style choice now.
@@garrcarro2063 Of course punk has those themes, and SS music was always a type of punk. Incelcore is just a more specific type to me. It's not just about being bitter about women, that's a very broad topic and lots of music in every genre could be said to be about that as well. But more specifically it's about being an outcast loser, unable to connect with people, nobody takes them seriously, treated like they are mentally ill. Now that is a very different thing considering that generally, you had to have a charismatic presence to even be a rockstar back in the day. So before internet era IMO this kind of theme didn't really exist. People weren't really writing punk songs about being a loser incel with no hopes or friends or energy, they were more writing about being a loser, but a loser who was still loved and knew who their people were and wanted to rebel against what they considered wrong. That's how I see this, but correct me if I'm wrong since I wasn't exactly around for punk beforehand. Also despite how NXP seems to regret it, his music seemed really influenced by incel communities back then. Like do you really think old punk would have celebrated Elliot Rodger, who in the end was a creep who couldn't get any bitches and went on a murder spree. They wouldn't, but certain online communities sympathized with elliot's plight, and started to revere him instead. Like I don't see how there can be 0 connection between that and the School Shooter project I think, punk can still exist without the incelcore theme, and actually "go against the grain", which is why incelcore is a necessary distinction as a subgenre. Most people who would be into more normal punk would definitely be weirded out about celebrating the people that SS did songs about.
@@ravenoushydra7948 I think certain sub-groups of punk certainly would have. Some of the most popular punk songs of the 2000s are specifically about being losers, outcasts, and freaks. Now I wasn’t around back in the 80s either I just love a lot of older punk and ska. Violent Femmes are awesome lol. But for example the way the leads in Jesus of Suburbia are presented isn’t very favorably. They would have been considered losers back then, and Jimmy and his ex-girlfriend in the music video aren’t really good people. He hits her, she cheats on him, they both are day drinking dropouts. In spite of that they are presented in a sympathetic light. Now I don’t dispute it appeals to incels specifically but I think a lot of punk that we don’t consider “incelcore” does as well. I feel some people are using it as a way to invalidate the artistic validity of his music. Like for example Add It Up by violent femmes has light incel themes. “Why can’t I get just one fuck? I guess it’s got something to do with luck. But I waited my while life for just one… Day after day I get angry and I will say.” I think shooter core would probably be more accurate though I don’t think NXP would like that either. But I don’t think it’s a stretch, when SS Punk was around at one point, to say that it falls into the broader punk culture pretty well. I just think it causes a lot of people to dismiss him outright when otherwise they might just go “oh I like this guy NXP the lyrics are suspicious but the music is so good I don’t care. Like how I am with Crush Em by G.B.H or Los Angeles by X Also to the last point it’s true to a certain extent but Nowadays most of what normal punk is, is socially accepted. Most people won’t assume you are a drunken loser because you have piercings and tattoos anymore. Except maybe 70+ year olds. NXP is making music he knows most of society will look down on him for but he makes it anyway because it’s a statement of who he is. Exactly like the punks of old who got treated as mentally ill losers because they didn’t fit into societal molds at the time.
@Me33315 Cho's lament - seung hui cho beamer boy, lil peep cover that shooter said was a tribute to elliot rodger multiple times When I Die Bury Me at the Emo Gazebo - nikolas cruz Letter bomb, ted kaczynski Also his album cover arts have direct references, like fuck the world has the columbine shooters and says columbine simulator and has cho's quote too, and the cover of black ops really looks like adam lanza + the songs could be about him too
@@bobbymcjoey9432 That's a shitty excuse, considering that he striked the whole channel (and many others) without a warning, and not all of the channels were dedicated just to reuploading his old songs (uttw for example made music videos for them, as some of the others), and there's still no reason for him to take down the fbf cover album.
@@mrdabrow idk, I'm just saying it's something I've noticed because I've been having a hard time finding his old music, could only find it through reuploads
I find this pretty ironic considering he's said multiple times in the past that he despises the term punk, and he doesn't feel that he shares any expression with that genre. Very odd that he wishes to bring that label on now. Hard to tell with NXP, he has some pretty dry and deadpan humor. He's also literally incorrect about no one that makes the music associating with the term incelcore, considering several artists that he had on MSG adopted the term and embraced it willingly. Uhohslater, cameronphlodge, and NEET being three of several. Still gonna listen to his music but it's pretty odd how he views this all, considering he's contradictory at several points.
I do remember him saying something to this effect. At least something like, "my music isn't punk rock." It's possible he means a particular punk scene or collection of groups when he says this but who knows. Who you're describing are the Dropout Boyz which include Fried among the others you mentioned. Whether or not "incelcore" was meant to be insulting, these people already reappropriated it. It's possible he's trying to rebrand without actually changing his name or anything with attempts to distance himself from his ᛋᛋ days. Epunk is sort of a gay term but a lot of the argument over naming the genre is lame.
Epunk sounds WAY better than "incelcore". Incelcore sounds more of a style than anything else, most "incelcore" tracks don't sound that way that incelcore should normally sound. Epunk is better because it's not just the way is the music is formated. But also it sounds more of a subgenre of the punk scene entirely. It gives it more of an identity like the other subgenres.
In my opinion, he’s a mix of both. Half his songs are Incelcore Like his Anthony Fantano songs while there are some songs impossible no deny are ePunk.
I call it virgincore tbh, but thats less of a genre and more of a mood. The Smiths, Weezer, and some Muse and Gorillaz songs are also virgincore to me and they're all completly different to one another.
@@grungeisdead8998 Agreed. Hell, I am in my 40s and can relate to the shit shooter writes. He has the real spirit of punk. Unlike all these woke leftist bands encouraging you to vote for a neoliberal establishment politician to save our democracy. These leftist "punks" are too uptight about every little potentially offensive thing..... How the fuck does being an uptight conformist who worships Rachael Maddows used tampons have any compatibility with being a punk?!?!?!
is it really surprising that people call your music "incelcore", when you specifically make tribute songs to every famous western school shooter,? back in the SS days all his songs were about being a mentally ill outcast with no friends or gf and how it made him want to take revenge on society (like a shooter)
@@ravenoushydra7948what are you talking about, you need to relisten to his discography. A bunch of the songs are about getting heartbroken or used by girls.
Pleasant surprise seeing shooter in my shorts tab instead of endless BS for once
a powerful speech by our great incelcore leader
You mean e-punk.
@@AutismGaming489 hes e-lite to you
@@AutismGaming489 no no I know what I mean
“definition of my art with their thumbs”
Love ‘em
Sigmacore
Shooter may be based but incelcore has a better ring to it but I respect it since he is basicly the leader of the scene
i could not include the entire manifesto for obvious reasons (lol), but if you would like to read the whole thing (1 min read) he better explains why specifically incelcore, though identifiable, is a bad name for it net effectively
@@EvenMoreBased I read the whole thing but didnt the word punk be seen as bad back then until the whole punk scene become a thing
incelcore has a horrible ring to it. No one wants to be associated with "incel"
@@scienz true that's fair
@@scienz that's where you are wrong, I want all the negative tags they want to give me. You tards are arguing as if "punk" wasn't an insult too in the begining.
I like to call it Gamer Punk:)
see now thats better
Fried by Fluoride punching air rn
fried shitting or crying rn
This is like when djent became a thing and artist were denying it until they realized it’s quirky.
Song is Guitar Vader- Super Brothers
(very based)
i fkn love shooter dude. the gamer records are actually kino
Its a shame he stopped his bitch told him he couldnt be based anymore
Does this mean bedroom punk won?
😔
Pretty much. "Epunk" = bedroom punk lol
@@stotz4710 FUCK BEDROOM PUNK IM INCELCORE
@@N053LESS fuck incelcore, I'm epunk :^)
@@stotz4710 damn😔
Old vid but I still disagree with NXP himself. Does he not remember literally 3-4 years before this, he was called "school shooter", making tribute songs to mass shooters, and every other song was about bitter incel themes. so why would he be confused that the scene got known as incelcore? there's a lot of stuff that can be considered bedroom punk, incelcore can be considered a more specific subgenre of bedroom punk then. cuz again, not every soundcloud guy recording edgy songs in their room, is making songs about elliot rodger, nikolas cruz, seung hui cho, etc. that was the whole theme and what got you started, making songs about the feeling of being an outcasted loser with no friends, gets no girls, hates everything. it was very unique at the time and there wasn't much like it.
At the time it was very unique but throughout the history of punk I don’t think it’s that uncommon to sing about being bitter about a girl, or even about rioting or being skinheads. It’s not exactly the same but school shootings weren’t as common in the 80s but the LA riots had just happened so they included those themes. To me it really seems like punk got rebranded into a safe package and I feel NXP is more punk than most bands calling themselves punk nowadays because he actually cuts against the grain, rather than just following a visual and auditory aesthetic. It’s no longer really counter culture to wear black and have tattoos and do drugs. It’s pretty much just a style choice now.
@@garrcarro2063 Of course punk has those themes, and SS music was always a type of punk. Incelcore is just a more specific type to me. It's not just about being bitter about women, that's a very broad topic and lots of music in every genre could be said to be about that as well. But more specifically it's about being an outcast loser, unable to connect with people, nobody takes them seriously, treated like they are mentally ill.
Now that is a very different thing considering that generally, you had to have a charismatic presence to even be a rockstar back in the day. So before internet era IMO this kind of theme didn't really exist. People weren't really writing punk songs about being a loser incel with no hopes or friends or energy, they were more writing about being a loser, but a loser who was still loved and knew who their people were and wanted to rebel against what they considered wrong.
That's how I see this, but correct me if I'm wrong since I wasn't exactly around for punk beforehand.
Also despite how NXP seems to regret it, his music seemed really influenced by incel communities back then. Like do you really think old punk would have celebrated Elliot Rodger, who in the end was a creep who couldn't get any bitches and went on a murder spree. They wouldn't, but certain online communities sympathized with elliot's plight, and started to revere him instead. Like I don't see how there can be 0 connection between that and the School Shooter project
I think, punk can still exist without the incelcore theme, and actually "go against the grain", which is why incelcore is a necessary distinction as a subgenre. Most people who would be into more normal punk would definitely be weirded out about celebrating the people that SS did songs about.
@@ravenoushydra7948 I think certain sub-groups of punk certainly would have. Some of the most popular punk songs of the 2000s are specifically about being losers, outcasts, and freaks. Now I wasn’t around back in the 80s either I just love a lot of older punk and ska. Violent Femmes are awesome lol. But for example the way the leads in Jesus of Suburbia are presented isn’t very favorably. They would have been considered losers back then, and Jimmy and his ex-girlfriend in the music video aren’t really good people. He hits her, she cheats on him, they both are day drinking dropouts. In spite of that they are presented in a sympathetic light.
Now I don’t dispute it appeals to incels specifically but I think a lot of punk that we don’t consider “incelcore” does as well. I feel some people are using it as a way to invalidate the artistic validity of his music. Like for example Add It Up by violent femmes has light incel themes.
“Why can’t I get just one fuck?
I guess it’s got something to do with luck.
But I waited my while life for just one…
Day after day I get angry and I will say.”
I think shooter core would probably be more accurate though I don’t think NXP would like that either. But I don’t think it’s a stretch, when SS Punk was around at one point, to say that it falls into the broader punk culture pretty well.
I just think it causes a lot of people to dismiss him outright when otherwise they might just go “oh I like this guy NXP the lyrics are suspicious but the music is so good I don’t care. Like how I am with Crush Em by G.B.H or Los Angeles by X
Also to the last point it’s true to a certain extent but Nowadays most of what normal punk is, is socially accepted. Most people won’t assume you are a drunken loser because you have piercings and tattoos anymore. Except maybe 70+ year olds. NXP is making music he knows most of society will look down on him for but he makes it anyway because it’s a statement of who he is. Exactly like the punks of old who got treated as mentally ill losers because they didn’t fit into societal molds at the time.
@Me33315
Cho's lament - seung hui cho
beamer boy, lil peep cover that shooter said was a tribute to elliot rodger multiple times
When I Die Bury Me at the Emo Gazebo - nikolas cruz
Letter bomb, ted kaczynski
Also his album cover arts have direct references, like fuck the world has the columbine shooters and says columbine simulator and has cho's quote too, and the cover of black ops really looks like adam lanza + the songs could be about him too
he should address the strike of up to the wolves on a stream
He's recently been taking down lots of his old music
@@bobbymcjoey9432 That's a shitty excuse, considering that he striked the whole channel (and many others) without a warning, and not all of the channels were dedicated just to reuploading his old songs (uttw for example made music videos for them, as some of the others), and there's still no reason for him to take down the fbf cover album.
@@mrdabrow idk, I'm just saying it's something I've noticed because I've been having a hard time finding his old music, could only find it through reuploads
well that settles that 👏 👏 👏
I find this pretty ironic considering he's said multiple times in the past that he despises the term punk, and he doesn't feel that he shares any expression with that genre. Very odd that he wishes to bring that label on now. Hard to tell with NXP, he has some pretty dry and deadpan humor. He's also literally incorrect about no one that makes the music associating with the term incelcore, considering several artists that he had on MSG adopted the term and embraced it willingly. Uhohslater, cameronphlodge, and NEET being three of several.
Still gonna listen to his music but it's pretty odd how he views this all, considering he's contradictory at several points.
I do remember him saying something to this effect. At least something like, "my music isn't punk rock." It's possible he means a particular punk scene or collection of groups when he says this but who knows. Who you're describing are the Dropout Boyz which include Fried among the others you mentioned. Whether or not "incelcore" was meant to be insulting, these people already reappropriated it. It's possible he's trying to rebrand without actually changing his name or anything with attempts to distance himself from his ᛋᛋ days. Epunk is sort of a gay term but a lot of the argument over naming the genre is lame.
Maybe he's a bit annoyed at all these people biting off his style and copying his sound
i mean he calls himself "mr hypocrite" for a reason lol
Ah the very reason I became k trash radio. Negative xp, aka shooter.
Omfg is that the japanese mario aong in the backround?
based guy
Shooter!
gemmy
😏👍muh bro.
I like Bedroom Punk or Cyber Grunge more.
lol, I'll just keep calling it incelcore
my brothers in christ please help me find the clip where he talks about "if I was a girl", i need to sample it
You he's right. Yikes
It's punk rock that's all 🙂
Epunk sounds WAY better than "incelcore".
Incelcore sounds more of a style than anything else, most "incelcore" tracks don't sound that way that incelcore should normally sound.
Epunk is better because it's not just the way is the music is formated. But also it sounds more of a subgenre of the punk scene entirely. It gives it more of an identity like the other subgenres.
In my opinion, he’s a mix of both. Half his songs are Incelcore Like his Anthony Fantano songs while there are some songs impossible no deny are ePunk.
E-peepo
I call it virgincore tbh, but thats less of a genre and more of a mood.
The Smiths, Weezer, and some Muse and Gorillaz songs are also virgincore to me and they're all completly different to one another.
Baaed
Bas Ed 😮💨
He must hate his fans and I dont blame him
Alt-punk rock
alright well I still make incelcore
This aged well
How so? Did something happened?
what happened?
@@RexyDog419 nothing i think, just epunk fans being epunk fans lmao
Just a reminder, I said it was a stupid name in 2019 and no one believed me 😌
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Got to say, keeping with tradition shooter. Sticking with the emo roots of not wanting your music to be called the genre normies label it as.
Kurt Cobain hated the term grunge too. He considered nirvana to be new wave punk
@@imagitu6409yeah negative xp is the new voice of a generation
@@grungeisdead8998 Agreed. Hell, I am in my 40s and can relate to the shit shooter writes. He has the real spirit of punk. Unlike all these woke leftist bands encouraging you to vote for a neoliberal establishment politician to save our democracy. These leftist "punks" are too uptight about every little potentially offensive thing..... How the fuck does being an uptight conformist who worships Rachael Maddows used tampons have any compatibility with being a punk?!?!?!
is it really surprising that people call your music "incelcore", when you specifically make tribute songs to every famous western school shooter,? back in the SS days all his songs were about being a mentally ill outcast with no friends or gf and how it made him want to take revenge on society (like a shooter)
@@ravenoushydra7948what are you talking about, you need to relisten to his discography. A bunch of the songs are about getting heartbroken or used by girls.
it is incelcore tho