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DAMAGE OVER TIME IS BAD ! DOTS and VIPER'S BITE TRUE PERFORMANCE In-depth | Diablo Immortal
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2024
- DAMAGE OVER TIME IS BAD ! DOTS and VIPER'S BITE TRUE PERFORMANCE In-depth | Diablo Immortal
BEST in-depth COMPARISON OF ALL LEGENDARY GEMS - Viper's Bite, Seeping Bile and Everlasting Torment - POTENCY and RESISTANCE Breakdown - True Values - REVIEW GUIDE DAMAGE OVER TIME IN DIABLO IMMORTAL.
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0:00 DOTs ARE BAD
0:35 VIPER'S BITE, SEEPING BILE, EVERLASTING TORMENT Damage Over Time
1:06 VIPER'S BITE Stats Comparison
2:58 LEGENDARY GEMS and Damage to enemies suffering loss of control
3:51 DAMAGE over TIME Burst DMG
4:51 DAMAGE over TIME ! DURATION
5:32 SECONDARY ATTRIBUTES Description Diffrences
5:58 POTENCY and RESISTANCE Value Comparison
6:54 POTENCY and RESISTANCE Chart
8:46 DAMAGE over TIME Timeline
11:12 DOTs DAMAGE over TIME True Performance
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beautiful content as always VK Glad you always take your time to explain things for the game =)
Thank you! Always trying to do my best.
You’ve explained this connection before but thanks for a bit more detail. As mentioned before I left the battle grounds and only start for the shadow quests so 3-5 instead of 60 battlegrounds per week.
I worked hard on my secondary stats, they are about 2.300-2.500, which is more then lots of players have. Contrary to the Expectation of winning 50% of the battle grounds it is still only 35 to 40% for me which makes it impossible to achieve more than gold-1. It is also noticeable that I am mainly matched as an attacker and regularly lose because of the 65 kills, usually well before the time runs out, often without moving the guards significantly.
What I can tell is the waiting time increased lately, when I do my shadow quests. This week I lost 3 out of 4.
You are welcome as always! The biggest problem is that before diablo immortal 2.0 the damage and hp of whales was not twice as high. They had a significant advantage but statistically 2 players could have won against 1 whale. Now it need 3 players, so p2w simply has a much greater impact now, unfortunately ....
@@vk.videos sure, but why are these whales always in the opposite team? Normally there are players in the opposite team with more kills than our complete team - or at least 1-3 players.
Looks like 3500 resonance is worst for this game, so beware of getting that high, or invest to get 5000+ 🤭
@michaelmesserschmidt6323 otherwise whales would never find match to play. Lack of them. So game collects other people from lower brackets. Simply paradox of being a whale.
Blizzard/Netease please hire this guy to write the Wiki for the game or something.. We need some thorough explanation (like this one) on how things work in game... As a casual player, I just do what everyone is doing.. LOL!
No. If you want to hold people's hands through a game go play something else
I'm not sure they care about people being well informed. But maybe they are considering it haha who knows, didn't get any offer yet.
@@vk.videos what do you mean there's so much information in Diablo Immortal I've never seen that much information in anything I'm talking books or whatever what are you talking about they don't want people to be well informed???
Lovin the vibe at 1.25spd great video! Thank-you
Nice intro VK. But I liked more the info in video, as always your analysis is very professional, thank you.
Thanks for kind words!
With the Potency and Resistance comparison - Is CC skills bad in PvP?
Should you focus on damage and not CC skills?
VK you didn't mention Mothers Lament as a dot gem . It does have a bleed effect as well . I can tell you that on a wizard with the helmet that speeds up your dots and 6 piece grace with 2 pieace feasting barons pack . It is a brutal build in battlegrounds . I have went up against players with 3k resonance with less than 2k resonance and made mvp in matches quite often . I am not currently using everlasting torment as I changed it out for roilling consequence .
here is my gem set up
pain clasp
vipers bite
Mothers Lament
seeping bile
rollling consequence
blood soaked jade
star fire shard
bottled hope
with 6 piece grace and 2 piece feasting barons . Have also used 4 piece banquet ,2 piece vithus and 2 piece feasting barons as well and its just as brutal ...
Excellent upload!! and lm glad you mentioned the baron set solution been doing it myself occasionally cheers!
Thank you! Yeah not sure why people tend to connect DoTs with full banquet. I mean i understand idea but still if they are low spenders then their DoTs last only 70% of their durration. For full banquet you can use presistant gorund damage as well.
I am playing BK and I need a damnage affect to trigger pain clasp so I was using torment and vipers bite. So once I realized I could use an essence to use bats to bite and poison with basic attacks I ditched them and my DPS went through the roof.
Hey I'm in the same scenario. I have torment and vipers bite, but also using essence to cause swarm of bats to poison enemies. SO what did you swap out for torment and vipers bite? What should we use instead.
Thanks VK for this high quality video and explanation, as always! i click like first thing first every time before watching it.
Thanks.🎉
Thanks ! You are always welcome!
When testing on the test dummy in westmarch note that the dummy makes DoT and CC have duration as though you had infinite potency so dummy will drastically overvalue the contribution of DoTs in your tests.
Exactly, dummy has 0 resistance or 100 just from normal difficulty. Resoults are not valid.
Thank you for taking the time to analyze and post this on video! I am not a whale so my next is to collect resistance gems
You are welcome. Good decision.
1. Is vipers bite and seeping bill and everlasting torment good together on a Wizard ? All 3 of em in use ?
2. Something important that you didn’t mention is this DOT from those 3 gems upgraded/affected by the bonuses from set items or from legendary item bonuses like “Increases the duration of your harmful effects by 30%” ?
3. And again for wizard which is the best sets to combine those gems 4 banquet and 4 grace or 4 banquet, 2 grace, 2 feasting ?
Because I heard that the Angment was nerfed 😢
Very detailed and beautifully made glad to have you on our side,, tell you the truth your hard work made me better player appreciate its brother 💯💯💯 one more thing while I'm watching this video I need to go through six ads it's just too muchAds
Thank you! This is actually RUclips to decide about adds. When I rewatched it myself , I only had one at the very begining.
You know it's good when you see graphs.
I highly appreciate the effort, Vabson 👍
Thank you !
Great video Vabson:) Keep going
Thanks!
Another excellent video and incredibly useful. Thanks.
Thank you VK for the time and effort spent to edit and compile this insightful video.
Always Welcome!
Wow great explanation and visual interpretation!
Great explanation VK, you cleared lots of my doubts about resistance and potency, i, suffer too much from CC's in PvP, especially wizards continuously freezing me, i stay frozen for eternity, while my CC lasts like 1s on them 😭,
Well now I know how screwed I am with my tiny 1.1K potency,1.2K resistance 😂,
Well time to replace my critines 😢,
Man, the game is scamming, even with 2.8s it takes it as 2s 😮💨, well that's the thing which makes resistance strong, so no complaints 😅
Hey vabo , one question?alot of wizards run their freeze build, they don't seem to be affected much by the potency penalty 🤔, can you cover their freeze build?
Thanks for the video again, have a great day man ❤
Thank you ! This is the main goal of my videos. To provide infromation so people can decide fo themseves if something is good or not for them. Great to hear that your doubts have been cleared out.
About Wiz i will take a look on it for sure.
Cheers and have a great day as well!
Great info. Thanks for working so hard for us.
You are welcome!
Well done VK !
Wow
So much work done
Like always somethink usefull here ❤
Thank you! Yeah a lot of work but i like it! Always welcome!
Very explanation with the sigmoid curve
Curve is always better for visualization than raw numbers.
You....are a scientist! Great video
Thanks. I just analyze the data. More of an analyst than a scientist haha
Totally agree for 90% of the player base should focus resistance and direct damage gems over Dot gems. Shields, shielding, damage reduction, and block chance is way more effective when playing against whales than hitting them for 2 seconds w/ a dot that their higher hp will just absorb!
Tottaly agree!
Stunning presentation tbh. I wish I was equally skilled in editing etc 😍
Thank you so much!
heya VK agine super nice info. video 1. thing can you start upload the charts alsoo will be alot help :P thx for all your hard work on all your videos
Great video! Love your content!
Glad you enjoy it!
Great explanation!
Dude first off nice clear and concise presentation and research, thanks for that and i appreciate the effort! Nice work!
⚠️But honestly brother, with much respect and humble offering of my opinion, you really gotta speed this shit up and ditch the computer generated voice. The monotone speech and slow cadence makes it a real conscious effort to watch and only people that are really committed to seeing the full analysis would make it. I am literally lazy farming on my pc right now and i really wanted to scroll on during the video but this topic is constantly in my mind recently since i ditched my bile.
So this is just a friendly suggestion from personal experience when coming across your content, which is pretty frequently (as I'm subscribed with notifications to many of the other content creators), but i automatically scroll on when i hear the first word on your videos that pop up on my feed.
Now for transparency's sake, I am the most unoriginal person alive, so i can only assume that there are many other potential subscribers that also scroll on.
To be fair, the only reason I'm still watching it is because i want to vet it before i post it in my clan's discord to get opinions and establish the level of validity of the data. (Not questioning it at all, in fact it looks highly credible to me, but... DI's coding is littered with occurrences where things are not working as they theoretically should).
One should always be open to new information and do their due diligence before reacting to it.
Anyways brother keep up the hard work and keep pushing! Just thought id offer some information based on what i know in regards to capturing ones target audience and closing when it comes to successful engagement, social psychological engineering and marketing techniques, emotional captivation tools and subconscious anchors that professional marketing specialists use to build brands and brand awareness.
You really don't want people remembering you as the content creator with the annoying voice over, your first potential million subscribers would be more likely to look for the not interested or block button than simply hit subscribe or scroll.
If your yt analytics show that your rate of viewers watching the entire video is high, then I humbly apologise and I will sit down and stfu, so if that's the case then disregard.
@VK hi I got power and command and bloody reach rank 10, which should removed to replace mother lament. And does viper bite better than the two gem I have.
Took me some time to stumble about this. VK ... Wp!! Ty man for your invest into this game :) helps me a lot.
You are welcome. More interesting stuff incoming 🫡
As Crusader, I got rid of my Howler's 3/2 for VB and I love it for my build. Am running it at level 7 along with the following:
Bile 2/3
Torment 10 (non-awakened)
Pain Clasp 7
P&C 7
Hellfire 3/4
Bottled 2/3
Gloom 3/2
2x Grace
2x Vithu's
2x Banquet
PVE and dungeons on Inferno 3 are gravy. Got out of the BG PvP cos the whales just whoop my ass. All in all, great review.
U need to use 4pcs mb set and 6pcs nettled curse with protector room, play full tank support.
Viper is extremely good for sader because of Cuisse of Scorn or Torrential refrain. Condemn has several modifiers that either amp damage from harmful effects or make harmfuls trigger all in one damage instance.
@@fredysugianto6357Thanks. I'm currently running 2 pcs each of Vithu's, Grace, and Banquet. Never gave MB any thought until now tho. Thanks. Definitely gonna add 2 pcs of that and see what to swap out.
Nice video. You def earned my subscribe
@VK I have a doubt. Does the Green set Item for Necro with Damage done by Summons do they really stack or is there any limit to it? And also the Damage done by Summons Reforge Bonus worth it on Necro?
Yes it stacks and its OP worth it if you are sure that you will play summoner. However, many people get bored of it quickly.
good information but, this videos is more focused on pvp right? so, is dot agains monsters a good deal or not?
It is top damage for bosses. But for mobs that die fast it is very low damage. (They could die even faster with burst damage)
I think that dots themselves are not worth using, however, if they are activators for a flaggelant or banquet then viper is your way to go. You rightly noticed that it mainly describes pvp, on pve potency is much easier to achive.
Wow, best content on Diablo Immortal
Thank you 💯
Awesome job
Thanks!
It's Cain's teaching right here
Dots + banquet = corpses
I use that set with vipers bite,torment,lament,pain clasp and that new 1* that increases dot damage, works amazing as a 1500 reso necro in pvp.
🙄 It's the tank in bg that makes wimp class shine.
One major problem is the rounding down, which could cause you to lose one whole tick
Exactly, you got to have a lot more potency because of it. Otherwise it does nothing.
Continual damage is extremely powerful in PVP. Just saying.
Great job!
Thank you!
Would you recommend putting cp points into resistance or potency even if you cant get to current tier mark or sink in points into hp?
It depends on what values you have a chance to achieve. For myself on pvp i go into DMG HP ARMOR RESISTANCE first
What to do necro, so let's use venom gem
awesome master !
Nicee info vk...
in d4 I love my rend build, it lets me hit with my barb and then escape area damage while they drip down. side note. the area damage in d4 is way too strong. area damage shouldn't ever do more damage than the mobs themselves.
Exactly. DOT is useless to most mobs because they die before the first tick. In PvP, It's resistance vs potency: so DOT is only effective against players weaker than you. So DOT is only really useful against bosses and in challenge rifts.
viper bite gets more and potent depending on the base damage so its not all that great for low to mid res but if you have 30k+ base damage its very potent
*AFTER 1.5 YEARS, THERE IS STILL NO LACERATE OFF-HAND WEAPON FOR BARBARIAN, YET THERE ARE OVER 6 PIECES FOR FRENZY PRIMARY ATTACK.... GIVE LACERATE PRIMARY ATTACK SOME LOVE BLIZZARD!!*
Thank you!
Excellent video, does this mean that I must have a higher resistance percentage than the opponent but not much higher than the power he has to resist your blows? In short, if my resistance is 10% greater than the opponent's, I can withstand his attacks for longer and if my armor and armor penetration are greater than the opponent's, even if he has 20 or 30% more resonance than me, I can achieve kill my opponent?
Higher resistance over opponent's potency means that you reduce the durations of his DoTs and crowd control skills.
Higher armor than opponent's penetration means that you receive lower critical hit damage and more damage is reduced with block.
Both advantages provide you with higher survability and yes, there is more chance to win against players with higher resonance. Secondary attributes are just as important. But usually, high reso players have high secondary attributes as well.
@@vk.videos excellent clarification, thank you very much
Does 4pcs baron increase your damage if you slow them?
This was awesome, as a wizard I feel pretty underpowered. I’ve been looking for ways to make tweaks to my gems however the prioritization of dots has always slowed me down. Going to make a full transition to dps + resistance. All or nothing lol
Yeah for low spenders you cant realy notice any benefit of potency or armor penetration on PvP. On PvE its all diffrent story since limits are not that hard to achieve.
@@vk.videos so where do u invest your paragon points?
@@isaksson1 pve wise I go in order dmg armor pen potency hp resistance armor. PvP I focus mostly on dmg hp armor resistance
Lord... I don't know why I never thought DOTS stood for damage over time. I thought it was some kinda skill LOL
People have asked about this in other videos. So I decided to spend 5 seconds to put some lights on it haha
Thank you very muchhh
I suspect this very much translates the same when speaking of control? As a low spender necro I started to invest more on support using control than on damage and life, since I cannot compete with whales in anything that's heavily affected by resonance. I was hoping that since I cannot kill whales I could at least make them dance at my own rhythm. But this video makes me think that my efforts might be useless....? Or did I miss something?
Yes it translates to CC as well. However there are CCs in game that are not affected by durration. For example push back. That's why people tend to concider Necro as good character for low reso.
I have a rank 10 everlasting torment on my DH, should I replace it with viper's bite instead?
if you don't mind the cost then viper bite will be better for anyone
I died to dot in pvp. Sb at that. Good enough in my book
Interesting explanations. So Vipers if you ain't a whale. But prioritise other forms of damage over D.O.T. huh... Fascinating, very fascinating.
Bro i have a seeping bile 4/5 on rank 4, should i quit it for another or its fine?
Same situation here 5 rank though 4/5. I will stay with it for now.
wow ty so much
Why don't you use dummy targets as text subjects instead of mobs?
dummy has 0 resistance, resoults are not valid there, keep it in mind
Does attack speed affect how fast dots tick?
Unfortunately not
paint clasp vs viper bite???
Both
This vid was a little hard to follow. Wish you could have summarized (in laymens terms) a bit more in between. So are you saying your other vids with DOT builds aren't the best to utilize or viper's isnt the best Gem to be using? And if that's the case does pain clasp fall in that same realm?
With 2.6k potency work great for me 3.3 reso
Rank 10 viper, rank 5 seeping, 5 void, rank 10 pain clasp
@@eliassantiesteban4829what's the average resistance off your opponents?
@@halbu_0 I don’t usually check, probably 2.5-4
Full disclosure, I'm stopping at about 3 min in to comment.
I'll just make some general notes on what you said in those first few minutes.
Comparing Viper 100% proc to Bile 4%.
When it says your attacks, it means ALL damage that was produced by you.
DoT ticks can proc another DoT. So the real chance for Bile to proc on targets is much higher since there are so many chances per second that it's practical uptime is the same as Vipers.
Same with Everlasting. It's not equal to your Crit rate.
This is Binomial Probability. The chance for something to happen over a certain amount and a length of time.
I'm too tired to do the math at 7 am but small percentages with many chances, lets say you had 40 different damage numbers above a target you are hitting with many skills, and all other sources. This means the chance is greater.
I think i started not describing this correctly towards the end, I just woke up lol. I will finish the video and come back for discussion of anyone sees this. I don't mind being proven wrong but I've felt with this kind math and probability of something to proc since EverQuest in 1999 and WoW for almost 10 year.
You are right 4 % with 1000 diffrent damage indicators makes it procs 100%. PvE wise it's not a big deal however on PvP we need more constant resoults. There are plenty situations where you can't hit one target exactly 25 times to proc bile. While viper is applied just with sneezing. And there is no reason for such diffrence. You don't need to do calculations since we can't spam attack on each target infinitely.
About torment it procs with crit chance so chance to be applied is exactly same as your crit rate.
@@vk.videos I appreciate you explaining your points more. But even in PvP. We have so many passive sources for rapidly ticking damage and then whatever active skills used (plus whatever dot or procs of their own that do damage) that the practically speaks for itself.
I guess the main point is that you can easily have 100% proc rate on Bile which is, for all intents and purposes, the same as Viper's.
@glowyrm I won't discuss diversification of damage since I'm playing this way from the very begining. However I know what I do and how to do effective synergy with diffrent gems and sets. That's why I was useing torment for so long. But still if we are talking about one particular effect plus potency/resistance it's a bit diffrent. My goal is to explain people how it's working and what combination is worth useing. That's why I don't like any tier list ideas where gems are to simply classified. Also diffrent class has diffrent possibilities if we consider how many hits per second are possible to be dealt so again we can not simply say it's good or bad gem. Still it's my opinion however trying do best to look at things from diffrent perspective.
Unless you’re necro this shouldn’t matter much
Totally worng. Actually on necro it does not have much impact since pushback are not affected with durration. So all we have is fear. I also dont like dot based build on pvp for obvious reasons, so it bothers any class tbh
@@vk.videos hell 6 nerco pants “ravening silence” look it up it triggers all your Dot dmg at once. My build focuses on high potency and is consisted of 90% dot dmg youre right dot takes time but with those pants you can activate all of them instantly causing your opponent to take a large amount of burst dmg.
With fear you don't win you need DMG also what use so?@@vk.videos
The very first day I started playing the game and saw DM review the legendary gems, I saw Seeping Bile's 4% chance and thought "TRASH!" Fast forward 3 or so months and my first instinct towards Seeping Bile is still "TRASH!"
It's ridiculous how many people swear blind oaths and call Seeping Bile "Top 5 gem"...utter lunacy. I understand that it's one of the few activators for Pain Clasp with its massive and continuous damage amp, but how often will that 4% trigger even though it can be "continuous" on weak mobs?
This is just a fodder gem imho. In fact, I would rsther use Zwenson and Echoing Shade over Seeping Bile any day. And as fun as Echoing Shade is, its also another trash gem.
people only see numbers but in reality seeping bile really good gem with higher beneficial effect duration with any other gems also 4 % chance is fake bile always work in 1-2 sec easily
You are so unbelievably wrong lol, SB procs ALL THE TIME - it is incredibly consistent.
They're probably going to nerf vipers to 1% poison chance 🤣😂
Who knows. I expect some changes to be honest
I appreciate your content. For me this game has hit the bottom of the barrel in terms of anything new to discover. It's been all on repeat since a very long time.
Welcome to Diablo 😅
@@Astarin2 wish it was different
You know it!
@@JediDarkForcethere are plenty of games on the market if Diablo isn't for you. 🤷♂️
@@Astarin2 what are the titles? Thanks
That doesn't sound right based on other video where the guy said, armor and armor pen is not capped for pvp, and big difference can lead in crits being weaker than non-crits
As far as I know critical hits lowest cap is double of regular hit. Armor provides also bonus to block. Lowest cap for block is 50% of regular not blocked hit. Higher armor than penetration provides additional bonus to block. I didn't notice any critical hits to be lower than regular hits. I assume someone explained blocked hits.
Buzzard needs to hire you !! Then everything be running smoothly
Haha maybe they will concider that . Thanks
You deserve 1m like for this video.
Let me tell you about my plan i started it from first day in inferno1, invest on normal gems more than ressonance.
I was 3k ressonance after the new gear sockets reached 3.6k ressonance, playing with necro dots build in pvp, using seeping, viper, bleeding bone spike and poisoned bone spear.
3.3k armor
3k armor pen
2.9k potancy
2.9k resistance
With 2 vithus, 2 baron and 2 Boe.
It's insane, some times i receive kill notification after 20 sec.
Total of DOTs if everything is working around 60k+ per tic.
Do i recommend it to f2p?
Absolutely no, you will need to pay sometimes at last for awaken gems.
Focus on resistance to stop some one like me.
Great example! Glad some people are living evidence of my words! Thank you so much !
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Bro ur officially devolp new branch of statistic science..diablo statistic ..lol
haha thanks! but just reading the data, I hope the charts visualize it better.
I use all 3 of those!! All the enemies die almost instantly !!!
Update:
Using these Gems together is dangerous ! SEEPING BILE & VIPERS BITE IS ALMOST ALWAYS ACTIVATED stop this, ✋️ 😂😂
DoTs always suck
so dots are bad because you are bad xD nice logic
btw you missed the only valid reason dots are bad, they don't stack from multiple players...
1.5 play speed will help not put u to sleep if ur struggling people
There's no way I can sit through this video you need to sum it up in one sentence.