disturbing to see that even the moderator who is supposed to ensure a civilized conversation, was herself continually cutting in and disrupting any clear explanation.
Rachel is truly awful. When she keeps saying the figures are checked by others in Gaza - nothing gets reported from Gaza without Hamas approval. Natasha, well done for keeping your cool. You are excellent
They clearly didn't want their viewers to get a full picture of what Natasha is explaining and kept on interrupting her constantly, and this included the host and the other person. They are uncomfortable with the truth.
Many mainstream media are bullies, what they do isn't like a reliable researcher should have done by being objective instead they choose dividing people with their own opinions or their company's policies like CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, Channel 4 etc. We all must stand for peace! Don't let these bullies go ahead with their hateful agenda.
Natasha stands her ground intelligently and with utmost grace. No blatant lie or propaganda nonsense about Israel can shake her. This journalist is obviously shaken which is why she spews ridiculous claims like she does.
It would have been better if the discussion was longer, perhaps about 10 minutes longer. I'm quite sure that there were points that both Rachel Shabi and Natasha Hausdorff would have liked to have made but couldn't because there wasn't enough time. Yalda Hakim seems a bit of a weak moderator.
I truly don't understand the desire to blame the IDF for every Palestinian casualty in this war why simultaneously asserting Hamas is not responsible for any of the deaths because they Hamas say so. The inarticulate premise here is the hatred many have against the Jewish state, it seems to blind fairness
You don't understand unreasonable hatred of Jews? We've been putting up with it for nearly 4,000 years, and yet there are still vast numbers of idiots who deny anti-Semitism exists. Go figure.
“The Ukrainians are the Palestinians” LMAO. Iran supports Russia and Hamas, and the silly journalist describes Hamas as the Ukrainians. I pity the state of journalism when the simple fact of Iran working to destabilise the West is lost on this journalist. Well done Natasha for clearing up a few needed points.
Your pity is misplaced. Pity the audience of such abominable and deliberately ignorant journalists who betray their responsibility and drive civilization into destruction.
10:00 *Who is responsible* (Natasha) Hamas have to bear the responsibility for every Palestinian death. Imagine that reporter going in to Gaza to report, its not to report its to defame That was a two to one attack on Natasha
Natasha is the equivalent of bringing a fighter jet to a street fight. They can’t address any of her positions and just cry “but the children, the children”
There aren't any journalists anymore, no politicians, no mental health professionals, no law enforcement people, no education people, only activists. Natasha continues to impress with her cool, calm and collected attitude in the face of middle-aged-Greta-Thunberg throwing a tantrum.
How is it nonsense when there is no verification of these Hamas, aka 'Gaza' HEALTH ministry figures? Rachel Shabi is the one talking nonsense. Not too long ago, she didn't know the UN's definition of 'poverty' in a debate on poverty in the UK. That's how well-informed she is.
How many Hamas/ Palestinian casualties would Ms Shabi accept as being 'fair'? She says, 'Permissible civilian deaths'? How many would she find acceptable? Would she accept None? That's how many there would have been had her friends in Hamas not invaded Israel and committed the atrocities they did last October 7. Doesn't she know that war, particularly war in an Urban battleground, creates casualties in large numbers among the civilian population? This war has shown the IDF has taken more measures to mitigate civilian deaths than any army in the history of warfare. 1:2 or less civilian to military deaths. Horrendous as that is, it's far lower than in any other comparable war. Shalom
The reason she so keen for reporters to go into Gaza is so that like her they can misreport and make as much mischief as possible, knowing that they will have the full support and cover of Hamas
“The Gaza heath ministry is the best able to get those figures from the hospitals, from the morgues.” This woman places no responsibility on Hamas, other than to report fatalities…. Even though they won’t wear uniforms, which is strategic dishonesty. Excellent job Natasha. That must’ve been very challenging.
Gaza health ministry, seriously??? This woman should be using her exceptional ability not to laugh while saying something that crazy for a standup comedian job.
They are so rude interrupting Natasha like that, because their afraid that she will debunk anything they say. Keep going Natasha. Tell the real truth.✊🇮🇱
You can tell when the other journalist loses the debate, when she starts interjecting and ranting. Natasha stayed on point with FACTS. Also, it’s laughable to try use anything that comes out of Biden’s mouth as an accurate source.😂
Where is there rest of the video?? The conversation has not ended just as Natasha finally had an opportunity to finish her first argument that was interupted three times by this woman that claimed that Natasha interupts her
I think she was emotionally lashing out at you, and I'd love to know why. I don't think she's dumb; I suspect she's aware that you already knew how journalism, verification and sourcing works. I think the condescending remarks were intended to make you look stupid to the audience. Or perhaps that's just how she normally interacts with people in her everyday environment, which would be kind of sad if true.
Journalists of lies, Natasha brings light on this despicable woman, not shade as she claims, she's so buried in her lies, she's in compleate dissonance when hearing the truth.. well done Natasha!
The children were sacrificed by Hamas. They were still alive on 6th October. Unfortunately children die on every war but Hamas does not even want to release the hostages for the sake of the CHILDREN. Hamas spokesman Ghazi Hamad: „We are called a nation of martyrs and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs“.
Thank you Natasha for your logical and honest analysis on why Ukraine needs more firm help from the west and more clear position on the fact that Russia must be defeated.
The equivalent of “3 nuclear bombs” argument is the most idiotic of them all. If anything, dropping that much explosives and killing (even according to Hamas numbers) less than one nuclear bomb, in a densely populated area shows precision and not indiscriminate bombing.
Rachel Shabi is wrong to say it is up tojournalists to decide for themselves at the risks. The presence of a civilian in a military operation puts the lives of the soldiers at risk and puts the success of the operation at risk. Or does Shabi mean she does not want troops she is embedded with to protect her in any way?
Britain banned journalists in the Falkan island war. This elitist idea that journalists have a code that countries must follow, like who do you think you are??? You're just a worker with a mic...
If you watch the section on Israel, you can see how the presenter allows Rachel far more time to speak than Natasha. Rachel, of course, rudely suggests that it is Natasha interrupting her. We can all see it's the other way round
Children dying is terrible. However, I have not heard one journalist ask how Hamas identifies the word children. My understanding is that “children“ are defined by Hamas to include late teenagers. Therefore, many of those killed were either Hamas fighters or children of those sympathetic or aiding Hamas. If the ratio of civilians to combatants is relevant to a war, the ratio at which civilians have died is the lowest in history. I would also like to know the number of people that Hamas has killed to keep them from fleeing.
Rachael and valda and so incredibly rude! Constantly screaming at Natasha Rachel should not be allowed to speak on television her behaviour is shocking, rude and aggressive towards Natasha Saying Hamas is credible is like saying Isis kind and loving.
The ministry of health may have been a reliable source in the past, but it isn't now. There is clear evidence of it being unreliable, misleading and intentional in doing so. Evidence such as it itself saying at least 11 thousand of the count is unverified/incomplete/fake. When handling reality and seeking truth, when a source becomes unreliable, you should dump it, not say "it was fine in the past". Actually, you should start looking at past reliances on it and check that they weren't false too.
Well done Natasha for standing up to Rachel Shabi. How Shabi could justify using the so-called “Gazan Health Ministry” figures because they, she says, “check out” is a mystery for the ages. On what possible basis can she assert that Hamas’s figures are accurate?
Natasha Hausdorff is brilliant in her arguments and understanding of the true facts, it's absolutely correct that Hamas do not distinguish between combatants and civilians. Yeldha Hakim show's a complete bias towards Israel and she keeps cutting Natasha off, Absolutely shocking journalism from two international journalist!
Natasha is stopped and bullied non stop. She should take the gloves off and insist on being allowed to finish her points. But otherwise she is formidable
I am sure that there could be some push-back on some of what Natasha says in a sensible conversation, but Ms. Shabi and Ms. Hakim do not seem to be very well prepared. As an observer, I find eye-rolling and appeals to emotions (Won't somebody think of the children?) very poor substitutes for actual arguments.
There isn't any pushback on what Hausdorff says here. That is why Shabi comes up with some BS and when she realise it doesn't wash, she loses her shit.
Listen to Shabi's nervous laugh when she says that the "Palestinians are the Ukranians...". Even as a seasoned liar she finds it difficult to to keep a straight face with this lie.
Also around about this time there was a conference in the UK about the validity of evidence presented by journalist on TV and in the media in general. Apparently there is a big industry that has grown up around fact checking it is extremely costly to get this done and it takes a long time as you can imagine to fact check every news article. So forensically speaking, I suspect that Rachel Shabbi was lying. And trying to bolster up her profession as a journalist which to be honest is looking a grim shadow of the prestige it use to have.
Splash one Bogey !! Natasha is so cool under fire , that interview was 2 onto 1 , but facts and eloquence will always overcome been shouted down with emotion and anger ,
Oh, and I commented before I finished. Shabi just said that Israel has dropped the equivalent of three nuclear bombs. Follow up question should’ve probably been have preferred just one nuclear bomb be dropped? Israel could’ve done that if they were as bad as everybody says. There would be no time for talking heads to get eyeballs if that was the case. No reason for debating, no reason for cease-fire. It would be clean up in aisle five.
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disturbing to see that even the moderator who is supposed to ensure a civilized conversation, was herself continually cutting in and disrupting any clear explanation.
The moderator's "side" is clear. As is Shabi's.
Natasha, brilliant!🙏👏👏👏
That "journalist" is deeply biased.
Yeah, the host just allowed Rachel to steamroll and not listen 👎👎👎👎👎👎
Interesting to see Rachel get so upset about being interrupted when she herself started interrupting aggressively and very rudely.
This is the technique… Bullying.
Natasha, brilliant!🙏👏👏👏
So down to the point, so calm and focused, next to her demagoguery driven opponent.
Natasha Hausdorff is outstanding in her arguments against two biased reporters.
Rachel is truly awful. When she keeps saying the figures are checked by others in Gaza - nothing gets reported from Gaza without Hamas approval. Natasha, well done for keeping your cool. You are excellent
Well done Natasha for wiping the floor with Shabi. With journalists like her, no wonder the public is losing trust in reporting.
She's really is a nasty piece of work. Go Natasha go!
They clearly didn't want their viewers to get a full picture of what Natasha is explaining and kept on interrupting her constantly, and this included the host and the other person. They are uncomfortable with the truth.
The truth will chase away their devoted viewers and cost them money.
Many mainstream media are bullies, what they do isn't like a reliable researcher should have done by being objective instead they choose dividing people with their own opinions or their company's policies like CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, Channel 4 etc. We all must stand for peace! Don't let these bullies go ahead with their hateful agenda.
They dont want to be confounded so they censor Natasha who is absolutely superb, Seems to be the interviewers standard tactics
What a very interesting interview. Thank you for speaking alot of sense. The us president is not well.
Shabi you are terribly aggressive and you have no right to interrupt. Shame on you and your hostility.
Natasha Hausdorff and Douglas Murray are the true brave voices for what is right in the world. They both suffer no fools nor take no prisoners.
Hillel Neuer is another superhero with those two.
Who thought that this debate could have ever been had in 10 minutes? ::/
Absolutely amazing job by Natasha as usual ! Stating facts on sky news is an achievement.
Hausdorf versus two Hamas-supporting journalists! So much for objective journalism.
Natasha stands her ground intelligently and with utmost grace. No blatant lie or propaganda nonsense about Israel can shake her. This journalist is obviously shaken which is why she spews ridiculous claims like she does.
Natasha is a calm and composed hero
It would have been better if the discussion was longer, perhaps about 10 minutes longer. I'm quite sure that there were points that both Rachel Shabi and Natasha Hausdorff would have liked to have made but couldn't because there wasn't enough time. Yalda Hakim seems a bit of a weak moderator.
I truly don't understand the desire to blame the IDF for every Palestinian casualty in this war why simultaneously asserting Hamas is not responsible for any of the deaths because they Hamas say so. The inarticulate premise here is the hatred many have against the Jewish state, it seems to blind fairness
You don't understand unreasonable hatred of Jews? We've been putting up with it for nearly 4,000 years, and yet there are still vast numbers of idiots who deny anti-Semitism exists. Go figure.
Natasha what a dignified speaker, the other ladies don't want the truth
My favourite part was when Shabi shouted "DON'T INTERRUPT ME" at Natasha while she was interrupting Natasha.
**Exactly**
It feels like she thinks of her as a kid, too.
Let the reporters go in - but without IDF protection.
“The Ukrainians are the Palestinians” LMAO.
Iran supports Russia and Hamas, and the silly journalist describes Hamas as the Ukrainians.
I pity the state of journalism when the simple fact of Iran working to destabilise the West is lost on this journalist.
Well done Natasha for clearing up a few needed points.
Your pity is misplaced. Pity the audience of such abominable and deliberately ignorant journalists who betray their responsibility and drive civilization into destruction.
10:00 *Who is responsible* (Natasha)
Hamas have to bear the responsibility for every Palestinian death.
Imagine that reporter going in to Gaza to report, its not to report its to defame
That was a two to one attack on Natasha
Natasha is the equivalent of bringing a fighter jet to a street fight. They can’t address any of her positions and just cry “but the children, the children”
There aren't any journalists anymore, no politicians, no mental health professionals, no law enforcement people, no education people, only activists.
Natasha continues to impress with her cool, calm and collected attitude in the face of middle-aged-Greta-Thunberg throwing a tantrum.
"Basic journalism" exposed for what it is: pro-"Palestine" sunshine propaganda intolerant of Natasha's undeniable facts.
The Gaza health minister is Hamas and they are lying
How is it nonsense when there is no verification of these Hamas, aka 'Gaza' HEALTH ministry figures? Rachel Shabi is the one talking nonsense. Not too long ago, she didn't know the UN's definition of 'poverty' in a debate on poverty in the UK. That's how well-informed she is.
She said Natasha’s arguments are “nonsense “ ,, well once u insult your opponent you Lost the argument!!!!
How many Hamas/ Palestinian casualties would Ms Shabi accept as being 'fair'? She says, 'Permissible civilian deaths'?
How many would she find acceptable? Would she accept None? That's how many there would have been had her friends in Hamas not invaded Israel and committed the atrocities they did last October 7.
Doesn't she know that war, particularly war in an Urban battleground, creates casualties in large numbers among the civilian population? This war has shown the IDF has taken more measures to mitigate civilian deaths than any army in the history of warfare. 1:2 or less civilian to military deaths. Horrendous as that is, it's far lower than in any other comparable war.
Shalom
The reason she so keen for reporters to go into Gaza is so that like her they can misreport and make as much mischief as possible, knowing that they will have the full support and cover of Hamas
Absolutely!
And of course, when they get hurt she would cry and lie, that Israel deliberately shot them.
Natasha is a LEGEND 🎉!
Great job Natasha for staying calm and to the point. Rachel arguments are tired and usual rants that has been rebutted over and over
I love Natasha! She is brilliant!
Natasha could have been a model. She’s stunning
Natasha is the most convincing. No eyes rolling unprofessionally like the two others.
“The Gaza heath ministry is the best able to get those figures from the hospitals, from the morgues.” This woman places no responsibility on Hamas, other than to report fatalities…. Even though they won’t wear uniforms, which is strategic dishonesty.
Excellent job Natasha. That must’ve been very challenging.
Gaza health ministry, seriously??? This woman should be using her exceptional ability not to laugh while saying something that crazy for a standup comedian job.
They are so rude interrupting Natasha like that, because their afraid that she will debunk anything they say. Keep going Natasha. Tell the real truth.✊🇮🇱
Natasha Hausdorff is just amazing. Kept her cool. worked to make her points.
thank you Natasha for so valiantly and respectfully presenting the facts....
You can tell when the other journalist loses the debate, when she starts interjecting and ranting. Natasha stayed on point with FACTS. Also, it’s laughable to try use anything that comes out of Biden’s mouth as an accurate source.😂
Natasha is wonderfully articulate and strong.
Only a couple of weeks ago he couldn’t remember who the Palestinians were , very concerning !
this journalist is the perfect example of why the public distrusts MSM and why Israel is not allowing the likes of this one unfettered access
Well done, Natasha, you did an amazing job. It is so hard to hear such lies about Israel, cruel, arrogant nitpicking, and hatred. Thank you!!!
Natasha is truly great
Well played Natasha. Not even a journalist and schooled these hacks.
They got no argument except to argue about figures figures and figures they are forgetting the bigger picture
Talk about two on one!
Where is there rest of the video?? The conversation has not ended just as Natasha finally had an opportunity to finish her first argument that was interupted three times by this woman that claimed that Natasha interupts her
Exactly my thoughts, Natasha was also interrupted by the moderator twice
You have link for the full video?
I think she was emotionally lashing out at you, and I'd love to know why. I don't think she's dumb; I suspect she's aware that you already knew how journalism, verification and sourcing works. I think the condescending remarks were intended to make you look stupid to the audience. Or perhaps that's just how she normally interacts with people in her everyday environment, which would be kind of sad if true.
Natasha has nerves of steel!
Journalists of lies, Natasha brings light on this despicable woman, not shade as she claims, she's so buried in her lies, she's in compleate dissonance when hearing the truth.. well done Natasha!
Rachel Shabi likes using sound bites but doesn't respond directly to Natasha.
Natasha, you are incredibly patient and precise. Well done, and thank you so much for all that you do.
She interrups Natasha and then rants on for the rest of the programme while shouting "I have not finished".
The children were sacrificed by Hamas. They were still alive on 6th October. Unfortunately children die on every war but Hamas does not even want to release the hostages for the sake of the CHILDREN. Hamas spokesman Ghazi Hamad: „We are called a nation of martyrs and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs“.
Well said Natasha 👏 🇬🇧
As usual they don't let you speak and are incredibly emotional and dominating!
Thank you Natasha for your logical and honest analysis on why Ukraine needs more firm help from the west and more clear position on the fact that Russia must be defeated.
Natasha you spoke so well, held your ground and made perfect sense!! 🙌🏻🇮🇱Rachel on the other hand… (i have nothing nice to say and so I won’t!)
Weak moderator. I sense the usual underlying agenda from Ms Shabi; note the omission of 'Hamas-controlled' from the phrase '..Gaza health ministry'.
They both dont want Natasha to land her point
The equivalent of “3 nuclear bombs” argument is the most idiotic of them all. If anything, dropping that much explosives and killing (even according to Hamas numbers) less than one nuclear bomb, in a densely populated area shows precision and not indiscriminate bombing.
Rachel Shabi is wrong to say it is up tojournalists to decide for themselves at the risks. The presence of a civilian in a military operation puts the lives of the soldiers at risk and puts the success of the operation at risk. Or does Shabi mean she does not want troops she is embedded with to protect her in any way?
And Israel gets blamed for their deaths.😊
If they do decide to let the journalists in to Gaza she should absolutely be the one to go first
Britain banned journalists in the Falkan island war.
This elitist idea that journalists have a code that countries must follow, like who do you think you are??? You're just a worker with a mic...
Rachel Shabi needs to catch up on realities regarding European dependency on Russian energy and London 'laundering' Oligarch's money.
If you watch the section on Israel, you can see how the presenter allows Rachel far more time to speak than Natasha. Rachel, of course, rudely suggests that it is Natasha interrupting her. We can all see it's the other way round
Children dying is terrible. However, I have not heard one journalist ask how Hamas identifies the word children. My understanding is that “children“ are defined by Hamas to include late teenagers. Therefore, many of those killed were either Hamas fighters or children of those sympathetic or aiding Hamas. If the ratio of civilians to combatants is relevant to a war, the ratio at which civilians have died is the lowest in history. I would also like to know the number of people that Hamas has killed to keep them from fleeing.
Exactly right. If a 15 year old boy throws a hand grenade is he a fighter or a child? My nephew fighting for the IDF says that is a normal occurrence
War reenactment is part of Kindergarten UNRWA graduation programs that are easily found on the internet
South Africa supports Russia ,bloody clueless
Rachael and valda and so incredibly rude! Constantly screaming at Natasha
Rachel should not be allowed to speak on television her behaviour is shocking, rude and aggressive towards Natasha
Saying Hamas is credible is like saying Isis kind and loving.
Rachel is deluded. Natasha your cool calm rebuff is excellent 🇳🇿4🇮🇱
I love Natasha!❤❤❤
Natasha Hausdorff debunking the Hamas propoganda being spread on a daily basis by these so-called journalists. Good job Natasha! 🇮🇱💙
Those two reporters are constantly disrupting Natasha explanations.
This is an biased program . Not worth listening to.
Sky News and it's journalists are a disgrace to their profession.
So true. Media is owned by Palestine
The ministry of health may have been a reliable source in the past, but it isn't now. There is clear evidence of it being unreliable, misleading and intentional in doing so. Evidence such as it itself saying at least 11 thousand of the count is unverified/incomplete/fake. When handling reality and seeking truth, when a source becomes unreliable, you should dump it, not say "it was fine in the past". Actually, you should start looking at past reliances on it and check that they weren't false too.
Natasha was absolutely incredible. Standing up against evil in the most eloquent, factual and composed manner. Thank you Natasha👑👑👑
Natasha is a genius. She defends the free world, with Ukraine and Israel on the frontlines!
Ms Hausdorff is composed and accurate while being interrupted constantly and belittled. Well done.
Natasha 👑!!!
Natasha, excellent composure and deadly with the data!
whee is part 2 ?
SHAME ON YOU RACHEL !
Well done Natasha for standing up to Rachel Shabi. How Shabi could justify using the so-called “Gazan Health Ministry” figures because they, she says, “check out” is a mystery for the ages. On what possible basis can she assert that Hamas’s figures are accurate?
Shabby and shady for sure
Natasha Hausdorff is brilliant in her arguments and understanding of the true facts, it's absolutely correct that Hamas do not distinguish between combatants and civilians. Yeldha Hakim show's a complete bias towards Israel and she keeps cutting Natasha off, Absolutely shocking journalism from two international journalist!
Natasha is stopped and bullied non stop. She should take the gloves off and insist on being allowed to finish her points. But otherwise she is formidable
Natasha Hausdorff is a legend. Shabi is a joke.
The “BBC Basher” strikes again at Sky 💪🏻
I am sure that there could be some push-back on some of what Natasha says in a sensible conversation, but Ms. Shabi and Ms. Hakim do not seem to be very well prepared. As an observer, I find eye-rolling and appeals to emotions (Won't somebody think of the children?) very poor substitutes for actual arguments.
There isn't any pushback on what Hausdorff says here. That is why Shabi comes up with some BS and when she realise it doesn't wash, she loses her shit.
The part where she said that “the Palestinians are the new Ukrainians” 😂 funny if it wasn’t so egregious 😮
The Ukrainians support Israel, not Hamas.
Wonderful Natasha.
Listen to Shabi's nervous laugh when she says that the "Palestinians are the Ukranians...". Even as a seasoned liar she finds it difficult to to keep a straight face with this lie.
Also around about this time there was a conference in the UK about the validity of evidence presented by journalist on TV and in the media in general. Apparently there is a big industry that has grown up around fact checking it is extremely costly to get this done and it takes a long time as you can imagine to fact check every news article.
So forensically speaking, I suspect that Rachel Shabbi was lying. And trying to bolster up her profession as a journalist which to be honest is looking a grim shadow of the prestige it use to have.
Splash one Bogey !! Natasha is so cool under fire , that interview was 2 onto 1 , but facts and eloquence will always overcome been shouted down with emotion and anger ,
Rachel was so aggressive for somebody who is very wrong, is she ok?
Natasha says it straight on. The other guest is just talking blah no facts...
Oh, and I commented before I finished. Shabi just said that Israel has dropped the equivalent of three nuclear bombs. Follow up question should’ve probably been have preferred just one nuclear bomb be dropped? Israel could’ve done that if they were as bad as everybody says. There would be no time for talking heads to get eyeballs if that was the case. No reason for debating, no reason for cease-fire. It would be clean up in aisle five.
Natasha you do such an amazing job of defending the truth and Israel. Stay strong, as you will of course. ❤❤❤
Rachi's family name sure fits.
Shabi is a dishonest hypocrite. The Gaza Health Ministry is HAMAS.
Hausdorff does a great job keeping cool in the face of hysteria and aggression.
The 'Palestinian' journalists, lol. Give me a break.