This was an interesting match to watch. Orange building towards the sea instead of frontline support was rather unexpected. Don't really see any players doing that. And clearly, it paid off well winning the side that's more likely to lose on naval. I suppose they would be able to support frontline, though rather limited in ways. If the other team had all their frontline putting pressure, I doubt the frontline would hold well. Meanwhile, Red clearly isn't a very experience Naval player. Instead of building more destroyers, his decision to make more of those dolphins is questionable. Destroyers are good against static defense, which he would have been able to handle with the advantage he had the whole time. But he just ended up donating metals to Green instead. Even building submarines would have been useful. You can keep them out of the coastal torpedo reach, but still have them within reach of the shoreline of green, allowing the submarines to deny any naval structures from being build. (With some scout to spot) This is typically my go-to when challenging a naval opponent. Green played insanely well though. Definitely learnt a lot about naval retake.
Yeah that naval battle on the bottom was quite the turnaround! I really didn't expect green to be able to maintain their aggression but those T1 subs put in the work!! XD
What I'd like to see would be the player on the far side beach that normally contests the sea start with hovercraft like in this match, so they can support the player by the rocky bay if they start with ships, while also intervening in the frontline battle by sending hovercraft to harass the enemy frontline players' bases, and they can also easily take over the island and its resources. And one of the backline players needs to support the rest of the team with aircraft, especially scouts over the water and fighters to shut down surprise bombing runs. I think it might actually make sense for them to build a seaplane platform in the pond so they could get sonar & torpedo aircraft in T1 and really be a menace to enemy naval players in both oceans. Instead what usually seems to happen is that the player on the far left beach is the only one to contest the sea with no support from the rest of the team and they almost always lose because the other side's navy player has a better starting position that lets them get into the water quicker, the frontline is a stalemate that ultimately gets decided by naval fire support once the seas are decisively taken, and if bombers are used they often destroy multiple bases due to lack of AA before they're dealt with.
I'm a dedicated weak side front player. This Mao is highly problematic from sea. I would welcome the weak side support spot help cover sea, especially I'd they stick close to the front. My loss condition in that spot is usually the inefficient defense I put up on land against sea, including covering amphibious assault. If the sea is less of an issue I can ficus my build much much better.
@@BrightWorksTV Honestly got a laugh considering how many movie references you notice, but LotR was the first I caught that slipped through the cracks lol
What this game is truly missing is some sort of water strider equivalent of the tick. Much like those bugs that scoot on top of water using surface tension, but using tiny hovercrafts on their feet. Then you can have the true endgame: Naval Tick Combat.
XD theres an argument the seeker fills that role but i totally understand what you mean! imagine if you will, amphibious ticks... that woud be a nightmare XD
Torpedoes in naval combat do so much damage you can’t go wrong with subs and torpedo bombers to assault a fortified position. Isildurs position is also very hard to defend against hovercraft as all your buildings are in the water and a quick harass deletes half your eco, sub spam kills the rest. You can then harass their entire flank with hover, amphibious or ships or tech up and delete everything with t2/3 ships
Yes I agree, those torpedoes can be absolutely devastating! At the end of the day more units is going to beat less units so once the economy is held it's definitely viable to make a ton of submarines and claim the high seas!
Compared to everything else navy is a total BEAST so I don't blame you! But huge props for getting in there and giving it a go!! Definitely the best way to learn :)
Wow I recognize those names! I'm starting to play against and beat those players! Getting up there! Naval and air builds have come a long way since this video was posted though.
Very interesting game, though I wish you paid more mind to the north sea expansion as I felt like we completely didn't get to see much of that or its impact in the first half. Missed out on a lot of action. Generally too much focus on the south sea, though it was interesting, it wasn't everything,
considering how often theres other people lso wtching matches that are pointing at interesting game points. it doesnt seem excusable to miss heart beat battle strokes O_o 24:17
Hahaha it's built off of balanced annihalation from people who've been playing sup com, TA, PA, and others all their lives. Not shocking it's very similar :)
Omg he’s launching the coast at us!
Somehow much more terrifying XD
sand powered LRPC XD
This was an interesting match to watch. Orange building towards the sea instead of frontline support was rather unexpected. Don't really see any players doing that. And clearly, it paid off well winning the side that's more likely to lose on naval. I suppose they would be able to support frontline, though rather limited in ways. If the other team had all their frontline putting pressure, I doubt the frontline would hold well.
Meanwhile, Red clearly isn't a very experience Naval player. Instead of building more destroyers, his decision to make more of those dolphins is questionable. Destroyers are good against static defense, which he would have been able to handle with the advantage he had the whole time. But he just ended up donating metals to Green instead. Even building submarines would have been useful. You can keep them out of the coastal torpedo reach, but still have them within reach of the shoreline of green, allowing the submarines to deny any naval structures from being build. (With some scout to spot) This is typically my go-to when challenging a naval opponent. Green played insanely well though. Definitely learnt a lot about naval retake.
Red had basically won but he let green take advantage, and the wreckage gave green he lead
Yeah that naval battle on the bottom was quite the turnaround! I really didn't expect green to be able to maintain their aggression but those T1 subs put in the work!! XD
What I'd like to see would be the player on the far side beach that normally contests the sea start with hovercraft like in this match, so they can support the player by the rocky bay if they start with ships, while also intervening in the frontline battle by sending hovercraft to harass the enemy frontline players' bases, and they can also easily take over the island and its resources. And one of the backline players needs to support the rest of the team with aircraft, especially scouts over the water and fighters to shut down surprise bombing runs. I think it might actually make sense for them to build a seaplane platform in the pond so they could get sonar & torpedo aircraft in T1 and really be a menace to enemy naval players in both oceans.
Instead what usually seems to happen is that the player on the far left beach is the only one to contest the sea with no support from the rest of the team and they almost always lose because the other side's navy player has a better starting position that lets them get into the water quicker, the frontline is a stalemate that ultimately gets decided by naval fire support once the seas are decisively taken, and if bombers are used they often destroy multiple bases due to lack of AA before they're dealt with.
I'm a dedicated weak side front player. This Mao is highly problematic from sea. I would welcome the weak side support spot help cover sea, especially I'd they stick close to the front.
My loss condition in that spot is usually the inefficient defense I put up on land against sea, including covering amphibious assault. If the sea is less of an issue I can ficus my build much much better.
Isildur: The guy in Lord of the Rings who was supposed to destroy the one ring but didn't.
Ohh that's right! Hahaha been far too long! Apparently I need to go rewatch the films XD
@@BrightWorksTV Honestly got a laugh considering how many movie references you notice, but LotR was the first I caught that slipped through the cracks lol
@@TheDeathlyG hahaha I try my best! guess theres not enough room in my big head! thats what I have you awesome folks for :)
Heyyyyyy look at that! Congrats on 1k subs, well deserved and here's to more!
Thanks a bunch mate, the support truly means the world :) can't wait to give back to this awesome community!!
Great video mate! Keep em coming.
I swear, watching a water map in BAR makes your brain more wrinkly. Sooo much going on.
Hahaha I can feel the wrinkles growing like the waves on the sea
What this game is truly missing is some sort of water strider equivalent of the tick. Much like those bugs that scoot on top of water using surface tension, but using tiny hovercrafts on their feet. Then you can have the true endgame: Naval Tick Combat.
XD theres an argument the seeker fills that role but i totally understand what you mean! imagine if you will, amphibious ticks... that woud be a nightmare XD
Seton's clutch trancends games
Hahaha it sure does
"i wuz here at 110 subs"
grats on 1000
Hahaha well let me tell you I appreciate your support for all this time, it really means the world to me mate :)
Respect to Orange and Light Green.
absolutely !!
Torpedoes in naval combat do so much damage you can’t go wrong with subs and torpedo bombers to assault a fortified position. Isildurs position is also very hard to defend against hovercraft as all your buildings are in the water and a quick harass deletes half your eco, sub spam kills the rest. You can then harass their entire flank with hover, amphibious or ships or tech up and delete everything with t2/3 ships
Yes I agree, those torpedoes can be absolutely devastating! At the end of the day more units is going to beat less units so once the economy is held it's definitely viable to make a ton of submarines and claim the high seas!
Good stuff, not long had my first naval match and let me tell ya, it didn't go well at all haha, hopefully get some pointers from this.
Compared to everything else navy is a total BEAST so I don't blame you! But huge props for getting in there and giving it a go!! Definitely the best way to learn :)
Algo love
Wow I recognize those names! I'm starting to play against and beat those players! Getting up there!
Naval and air builds have come a long way since this video was posted though.
That's such a wonderful feeling, I'm thrilled to hear it. Well done commander!
Is it possible to Win navy as Cortex vs a player of equal skill going Armada or is their just too big a disadvantage?
It is but it's tricky. You essentially have to constantly shut down their navy so they can't snowball and then put eco them at least in my experience
Very interesting game, though I wish you paid more mind to the north sea expansion as I felt like we completely didn't get to see much of that or its impact in the first half. Missed out on a lot of action. Generally too much focus on the south sea, though it was interesting, it wasn't everything,
Ahh sorry to hear that, there's just too much in these games to do it all at once hahaha
@@BrightWorksTV I totally get that just some personal opinion and hopefully constructive. Keep it up enjoying these casts
@@neokoga I appreciate it very much :)
Matr1 is a Forged Alliance Forever pro by community standards, I'd expect as much here
Setons Clutch BAR version
Now with 120% more Reason!!
@@BrightWorksTV hehe on faf it was too large imo.
considering how often theres other people lso wtching matches that are pointing at interesting game points. it doesnt seem excusable to miss heart beat battle strokes O_o 24:17
Haha yeah I definitely miss some stuff some times. luckily there's always more exciting matches to watch!
congrats on the 1k brother, no more kids gloves now. get your exact hues of colors correct now or gtfo ;)
Thanks a ton friend! I know! The pressures on gotta get professional XD
yeah sombermuse should never play sea
Matr1 = Matron? female?
Ahh that's a good guess!
doesnt matter how well you play, if your teammates suck balls, you'll lose. thats why this game sucks pvp and multiplayer
I'd be glad not to play a match with you :)
This game is just copy paste supreme commander tfu
Hahaha it's built off of balanced annihalation from people who've been playing sup com, TA, PA, and others all their lives. Not shocking it's very similar :)