Forgiving is the key word here. Don't be so hard to yourself. Yes, sometimes we tend to say stupid and bad things, but you know what? You are a human being and you have emotions. Look it positive, you have realized what you did and I think that is a good thing.
The real console war at my house growing up was having a bunch of consoles but only one TV to split between 5 boys (and my dad) when it came time to play some games.
Thanks for the squishy RUclips content, I always appreciate the break from the hate. I remember 25-ish years back the TV pastors telling parents that playing Pokemon was literal devil-worship. 'Video games cause violence' has swung back and forth on the political spectrum a few times in my lifetime. Always somebody out there peddling hate in the guise of love and protecting something.
I grew up in the Nintendo vs. Sega console wars (Genesis vs. SNES). I honestly didn't experience any hate with other kids with video games. I only had a Genesis and another friend had an SNES. We actually would trade consoles occasionally so we could try the console we didn't own. It actually made our bond with video games _stronger_ ! Although, I do agree that online gaming can lead to a bit of hate and anger. This is especially true if the other player that is constantly winning is also behaving in a toxic manner...it just saps the fun out of the game.
I used to rage with my NES back then. I would bite my controller then throw it at the console. I stopped by the time I got my PlayStation. I take very good care of my games and controllers today.
One of my friends ninja starred his Metroid cart into the wall & another ripped a cart straight out of his NES & screamed at it, saying _"you don't exist without me!"_
You feel like a youtuber that would have hit 1 million already- you have such a unique video personality that I’ve never seen before and I really enjoy it
I never really got the console war when I was a kid. I had a NES then a Mega Drive, but was super happy that some friends had Master System/SNES. Just meant we all got to play everything.
It was honestly more of a marketing thing than anything real. I didn't get a sega genesis, and I didn't hate the people who had them, I just wanted a chance to try them out.
My brothers had a friend who would come over and try and convince me to stop playing my Saturn and Genesis regularly. I like to think he's since actually tried those consoles. I've since gotten into Snes and Playstation.
Amazing. I always love the way you make me think and rethink my hobby. I 'hated' the direction Video Games took from 1996 - 2010 (ish) thus why I hold strangely passionate negative feelings towards Halo, COD, Doom, GoldenEye, and many other well regarded games. Turns out certain frame rates give me motion sickness and early 3D and FPS were literally making me sick. I remember falling over after playing Cabela's on the PS3 and I actually fainted which is how I figured this out. In terms of understandable 'hate' I feel that's up there.
Quick little story, I took a weight lifting class my freshman year & our teacher was super pumped that ATARI was back in 1993. Being a gamer I asked if I could go to his house & check it out. Right off the back the Jaguar only came with 1 controller, so he got mad a bit there. I can't remember what game he had might of been Aliens, but he lost real quick & the graphics were not to his liking & broke the controller. I awkwardly left & never returned. It is safe to say I've never seen anything like that & it is forever burned into my mind. Never go to a teachers house kids!
I collect vintage video games because I just love playing them when I get time. I even have new ones to so I think that most people get to excited over them too much and most of them just like to complain about anything. Great video man.
I am happy to hear from another collector, but you make me feel old when you call them vintage. They were new when I was younger. The only one I collected that wasn't current at some point in my life was Atari 2600. I started with the NES as a kid.
I've been challenged by my absolute love of Demolition Man on Genesis. It's my favorite Genesis game and that broke some brains. I'm done arguing for it. It knows we're buds and that's what I care about.
You love what you love. No need to justify it. My favorite ps2 game is Neo Contra, you can imagine hiw many people are infuriated by that for some reason, but it doesn't change anything for me. I just keep on playing with a big grin on my face.
These videos always cheer me up if I am having a bad day 😊 33.7k Subs is still a lot but I am pretty sure you will be able to reach far beyond that if you keep this up.
Video games have always helped me get over hate. When I was a children and kids picked on me, you better believe I always found out if they liked video games and wanted to tell them how much kool video game stuff I know! Even now when I really hate myself I know that if I find a silly enough game or play the same SNES game for the billionth time I’ll end up having too much fun to care!
We sometimes get passionate to the point of hate, but it’s because we love games so much. I don’t think we hate the games so much as we dislike certain points in the games themselves. Gaming is love. Gaming is life.
I dunno, maybe I was the weird, weird kid - my buddies and I all got different consoles so we could trade consoles and games because we couldn’t afford to buy them all at that age. I had a Genesis, and my two best friends had a SNES and TG16 respectively we all got to enjoy each of them!
Love your videos … one thing you just touched on … how now adult players have their kids with multi consoles… one thing I was just talking to a friend about our kids … “these bong holes get more more games in 1 year then what we had in our childhood” since we only had 2 may 3 games like our birthday Xmas and maybe for getting good grades. So you REALLY had to gamble that you were getting a good game
The only other form of hate that i would mention in gaming is all the people past and present who would belittle women playing games or scream the N-word into their mic constantly (think Gamergate era), but that's less of an issue of hate in video games and rather a manifestation of societal hate into gaming spaces.
Or lack thereof. From Bayou Billy to Ghostbusters on the NES; there was a lot of games that had a lot of potential that just never quite reached it. ( I'm looking at you; "Clash at Demonhead.")
Can you post the lyrics to your sing/ jingle? I can’t understand all of them. I want to know what nerdy tomfoolery you are singing about to the fullest. Inquiring minds want to know!
No problem. "he's the retro bird, yeah and he's talkin', talkin' about video games he's the retro bird, oh yes and he hopes that you liked what he had to say"
Fairly new subscriber, first-time commenter and I gotta say, Bird, you have the thoughtfulness and communications skills to make one heck of a therapist or counselor.
One thing to dislike about retro gaming (“hate” is too strong a word) is represented by one of games you were playing: Castlevania X for SNES. Some games are just too dang expensive if you want original hardware. There’s always the Japanese versions (as long as it’s not an RPG), but it’s only a matter of time until they climb in value too. Otherwise, I love the hobby, and even love hating on bad games.
My History Timeline (UK). Ww1 - Commodore 64 vs Spectrum. I had the C64 and it was great, I did enjoy playing my friends spectrum but it could not compare to the C64! Ww2 - Sega Master system vs Nes. The Sega Master system was the console of choice here and was by far more popular than the nes - I loved the master system and it's games. (The nes did gain popularity but only when the 90's came and it was being sold cheaper as a budget console.) These days I love both of them and enjoyed exploring the nes library in later years. Ww3 (The big one) - The Sega megadrive was the console to have and most popular but when the snes came out Nintendo finally had something to compete with! I had the megadrive and would have all the arguments about sonic vs mario etc, but one game would change it all - Streetfighter 2! When that game released for the snes, I had to get a super nintendo! The console wars then got neutralised for me as I enjoyed and loved the best of both worlds and both sides! All awesome times 👍
I think some people are always going to LOVE to hate. They are the same people that are so quick to tell you why you are wrong and are often not very polite about it. The way I see it, play what you love and if someone hates it, that’s okay, they don’t need to play it anymore because as far as I know most of us aren’t being held at gun point being forced to play any video games we don’t want to!
11:20 I definitely think projection is one of the most common reasons why people might be angry in general, especially when it seems out of proportion to something as innocuous as talking about loving video games.
Man, I felt so special when you alluded to me and a few others who really enjoyed Bayou Billy in this video.Thanks for the shoutout, Retro Bird!! Your channel is sooooo good 😊. Also, as someone who went to middle school and high school during the console wars, I can say that both the Sega Genesis and Super Nintendo are such awesome systems, and I think that because of their fierce rivalry, they truly brought their “A”-game. I look forward to delving into many more games that I have yet to play in both libraries.
I absolutely love the channel - I only got into gaming around 4 years ago at the age of 32 and get a lot out of both retro and newer games, but really enjoy listening to discussion about these kind of subjects.
I’ll tell you what I hate. I hate it when I see actors playing a game in a movie, yet they aren’t really playing it. “The 40 Year Old Virgin” is a big violator of this in the “you know how I know you’re gay?” scene. Paul Rudd and Seth Rogen are supposedly playing “Mortal Kombat Armageddon,” yet, you can tell by the way they are mashing their controllers, there is no way either of them are really playing it. Another thing is when movies have a game in a scene and the music or sound effects don’t actually match the game they are playing. “Fear” has a horrible scene with Reese Witherspoon and her step-brother playing Super Street Fighter II together, yet it has generic bleeps and bloops rather than the game’s actual sounds. Also, when Reese puts the controller down and goes to talk to Alyssa Milano, her fighter keeps playing without her, against her step-brother. So, she wasn’t really playing the game in the scene either. Is my hatred real or fake? I think it’s pretty real. I feel like it’s insulting to gamers and the games themselves.
Even indulging this conversation is feeding into people who will never concede and do not argue in good faith. The appropriate behavior is to just ignore them, forever.
Anyone can look at your comment history, you know. I see through all your dogwhistles. It's never surprising to see a straight up racist try to dismiss the topic of hate in gaming. Wonder why?
I think some amount of hate is actually healthy for the hobby. Not directing at other fans, but e.g. criticizing low-effort releases on the part of the developers, encouraging other fans to critique and not put up with lazy design or outright greedy tactics (whether that's down-voting and/or straight up not buying the game). Glass half-full people are necessary but glass half-empty people are necessary too!
Playing games is an investment of time. Our time is precious, and people can have pretty strong reactions to it being disrespected. But I think we're all inclined toward the tribalism of defending what we love, even if it means hating the other.
I guess I was more of a "one generation console" household looking back on things. By that I mean out of any console gen, I'd have one side of things. For example, the first console I got new was a Genesis. I had Atari 2600 before that happened, and I got an NES with a ton of games shortly into my Gen time. Then I went PS1, well several PS1s, many of them actually because aftermarket turbo controllers apparently fry the controller boards on those. After that era it was a bit more free form as far as what consoles I owned, but my point stands, I never had a Master System, an SNES or N64/Saturn when they were relevant/fresh.
Keep up the videos dude. I’m a fan of AVGN since 2010 and been a fan of yours for a few months now. Last time I broke a controller in anger was 1995 playing stunt race fx. I learned to never do that again because my dad wouldn’t replace it with a real snes controller so for Xmas I got a clear knockoff brand turbo controller. It handled horribly but the turbo was fun💥
your sure as right about people back then only owning one system. I still have that mindset, console room for 1 :) still don't like gaming on PC whatsoever.
More and more I come to suspect that you, sir, are probably an intelligent, witty, generally decent guy. I genuinely hope the very best for you, that you seek and find Truth :)
A game I'm so passionate about is Age of Empires 3. A very fast-paced, cerebral and underrated RTS. A couple years back Microsoft released a "remaster" which butchered so much of what made the game special. That lead to a lot "hate" from me in the community, but it was simply criticism born of love. Unfortunately, too many folks will take what they're given without complaint, which just hurts the quality of our games and hobby over time.
The most ‘fake hate’ I’ve felt towards an online opponent was in Metroid prime hunters. There were so many people hacking the game and they were impossible to beat since they were literally cheating and it drove me crazy cause they were the majority of my opponents to the point where it was hard to find any non-cheating ones. They did stuff like clip through and hide inside walls, have infinite health, standing death alt, you name it, they did it and I got so annoyed to the point where I changed my username to something that directly insulted one of my opponents that I ran into too many times and had enough of them. Their name was a bunch of numbers which I can’t remember but I took the first couple of digits then added an equal sign = followed by a highly offensive insult to it and the next match they changed their name to insult me back. I laughed cause I knew I managed to get under their skin the same way they got under mine by hacking the game and ruining the entire online experience for all Metroid prime hunters fans. In hindsight it was stupid and immature but I did what I had to.
That story is fantastic! 😂 I played that only one time online & got creamed so bad by some guy in China that I never played it online again. In retrospect though, he did seem to move unnaturally fast, faster than I thought the game allowed, & now I wonder if he was cheating.
@@NinjaRunningWild if he had a 5 star rating you can be 99.9% certain he cheated. My rating was like 2 stars and it took me forever to even earn that second star. I had a horrible win loss ratio but I played A LOT of matches. At first I had plenty of normal matches against people within a reasonable skill level but eventually the hackers took over the whole online experience
There are certainly things I hate within gaming, games like Assassin's Creed that put all their coolest clothing loot behind a paywall rather than allow you to find it in the game. Players being angry when a game that was once exclusive goes over to another console or pc, which is something I personally celebrate as it just means more people get to experience it and its better for game preservation in the future. However the modding scene is one thing I love about gaming. Its creative and it can also make some games more accessible. Game Pass is another thing I really love about gaming. For games I'm not worried about owning, I can plop down 10$ to play as much as I want for that game and a ton more games, finish the games I want and move on.
While I don't specifically hate a game directly (that's silly), I do hate certain game design decisions. It mostly has to do with modern games as they're given the benefit of hindsight, but sometimes it just baffles me who thought it was a good idea for certain designs. My best example is open world racing in an online mode, it just adds time in between races & going to your garage to modify your car. In Single player I can understand it to help immerse, but multiplayer is all about playing with people... I'm looking at you Need For Speed. As for hating games in general I've started to hate that people who didn't grow up playing traditional games (doesn't matter when, but that they play traditionally monotized games) get taken advantage of by free to play games & miss out on so many other amazing games I know they'd love, if only they'd give them a chance. It also incentives focus on cosmetics vs gameplay innovation & reduces developer & publisher incentive to try new things or create new properties. It's less a burning hatred & more a sad disappointment though.
Xmen children of the atom was my first memory of rage quitting. I couldn't beat magneto for 2 days I tried until I lost it and took the disk out of console and kicked it down the street and snapped it.
I'm that Super Nintendo kid that, now, as an adult has a ton of fun exploring the Mega Drive/Genesis library. Been really getting into Gain Ground recently, for example. Amazingly, there are people that still live the 16-bit console wars and who're still on their fanboy bs, though.
i love your theory about why passionate gamers hate on other gamers. i really relate to that. But in an effort to put some hate on the page, here are top 5 gaming things i hate: 1) Playing games via the RF adapter, 2) The Dreamcast Controller, 3) DS action games that use the stylus, 4) Wii action games that use motion, 5) The fact that the PS4 Pro doesn't play 4k Blu-rays. P.S. Every time i see you shine gameplay of Castlevania on the SNES i am reminded that i still don't own Super Castlevania IV. damnit. P.P.S. Let's be friends.
As you said here ,at that time we were lucky by having at least one console. Although, I must say,i was a lucky kid 'cause started very soon playing all sort of videogames ,having Atari 2600, zx Spectrum, Master System, Mega Drive... I play retro games every day
I tend to avoid/tune out most of the hate. So it’s all love in my little gaming microcosm ❤ Did you intentionally choose to showcase some notoriously divisive games in this episode? Because I have pretty strong feelings towards most of them 😂 I won’t get into those opinions, but I will say that one of those games I’ve actually learned to love over time after some bad first impressions. Ok, it’s Dracula X! If you don’t directly compare it to Rondo of Blood and take it as it’s own unique entity, it’s actually pretty darn good! Sure there are some questionable enemy placements, a couple of lackluster backgrounds here and there and a final boss that can make you want to pull your hair out (until you figure out the trick to beating him), but there’s still a great game under all those flaws that I was too fixated on at first. I recently bought a repro copy (how’d you afford a legit one RB!?) and had a great time playing it. An instance of transcending hate into love. Still hate Smash Bros tho 😂
Yes, I did intentionally choose some divisive games. As for Dracula X, I got my cart a long time ago. I'd suggest the Japanese cart these days. For the final boss, the trick is to stay almost all the way over to the right for basically the entire fight. Makes it way way more doable.
@@RetroBirdGaming yeah I always grab the axe and chuck them at him from the lowest platform, where it’s easy to dodge his projectiles. When he transforms staying as far to the right of the platforms as possible will indeed keep you from getting knocked off
Quentin Tarantino once said, "Never hate a movie." I think that can be applied to most games. Even bad games have some sort of value (that's why I still own the first TMNT game for NES). The one exception I would make is for predatory monetization/mirco transactions. Sorry... that is my hate burden to bear.
I'm more of a passive-aggressive. I deliberately put a game cartridge I love to play into the console in FULL view of the game cartridge that didn't let me win.
So much truth, Hey Retrobird, have you ever thought that the amount of Hate someone has against people is linked to a lack of bananas? That would be worth a 15 minute video!
So, now that the "Team Hate vs Team Love" war is over, I am stepping back into the normal mode 😂. Still fascinated how much of the comments flow in your vids and this. Shows a real interest of yours, what people write. It also makes me sad, to hear that you get some hate in the comments, but I think these ones are just trolls and how you already said, I think, too, that their hate is just a compensation that they might have a problem with them self. And to everyone else here: I really appreciate your participation in these talks, maybe there's gonna following a podcast with bird and some of us chatting about these topics as a group "the philosophical videogames talk roundtable" your podcast channel, for the real important questions. Sorry, that just came up my mind, but if someone plans something like that sign me up to be a participant for this 😁👍. Just a few cents on the console war, my remembrance back then, when it has been Nintendo vs. Sega, at least for me, it felt more than a funny thing. I loved Segas advertisements like the "we can do what Nintendo'". Nowadays people take this war especially between Sony and Microsoft very serious and that's sad. In the end we are all gamers. No matter where come from or where we play on. So let's take the things that unite us.
I like to hate on forza games for being so arcadey and using rubber banding so much but that's mostly because I love basically everything else about the series.
They can be fun and playful when done maturely. In my life, genesis vs snes was alwats playful. The Xbox kids on the other hand, especially with the 360, were just flat out obnoxious.
I used to "hate" on sealed game collecting then I rationalized my way into acceptance. No one shuns Pokemon collectors for not playing the TCG, or Lego collectors for not replaying with sets, or RC collectors for not using every one. I'm just happy they also are enjoying the hobby in their way.
The silliest and longest stretch for hating a game out there is probably the website dedicated to hunting down and destroying every copy of Shaq Fu. We all know thatll never happen, but ya gotta respect the effort and passion in that one. Im reminded of it everytime an annoying commercial that Shaq is in interupts my youtube video etc and i then think about mailing my copy of the game to them
I enjoy looking at the interesting questions like games for someone's kid (I learn more about a console library like I already do from time to time), or someone got a retro console or something when browsing different community talking platforms and it's clear what's interesting, what's so generic and boring to not even bother and a balance of niche and mainstream, care for hardware and software not just software. While Nintendo has fine games that are the last place for modern I have left besides retro of all those companies that tried and the big 3, Sony made me quit their brand and Microsoft hasn't made me interested since before Kinetic or if the Xbox One then ReCore but still. Their attempts have been boring and it will collect dust everything above 360 and 360 and before will be in my eyes as exciting. When revolution claims are made for modern games I just sigh. I look up first and I look up new advancements in gaming. When I see trending games get praised I think some things are overblown but I respect certain parts still. For retro games I'm not into the obvious games and more niche ones as I think their experimental/not continued ideas are more compelling personally. Seeing why they didn't, why the games that were were just marketed and appealed more, weren't as generic to sell because their too crazy then grounded enough being a fair factor but also led us to more generic games over time as well even if the western always wanted to push for realistic graphics and appeal due to how the west sees things while Japan focuses on niches in many games video games or hobbies/businesses and it's to see So seeing the successful games if they do have personality, are wide spread as a gateway character or something is something I consider besides just being big, having lazy dialogue or not. The things TV shows in the west have put me off with references or 'let these teens go to social media for this purpose insert popular social media name here' and I'm just cringing at times while with Japan it's not put in and otherwise if they can't even have a real name of McDonalds and would need a license it's clear why I guess so they have fakes and people still know what it is. We get it exists we don't need it pushed so hard. I think all fans are fine to have their niche, good or bad games talked about as long as some respect is there. I do go a bit overboard sometimes in different places but if I've seen it to death I can't help but want to get away from it in favour of something else of course because it's too much of it and I gain nothing from seeing it everywhere after a while.
Gaming/collecting is full of love. But when we get on social media the hate just oozes out of us, like some disgusting infection. Delete all social media!!
I have a bias for RPG games. I think mine would be: 5. Xbox 360 (people forget how great it was during the first half of its lifespan) 4. SNES 3. PSX 2. PS2 1. Switch (yes, really) Honorable mentions to: Mega Drive, Xbox, GameCube, PS3.
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Games played: Yoshi's Island (0:09), Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (0:14), X-Men 2 (0:28), OutRun (0:48), Castlevania: Dracula X (4:44)
I LOVE ALL OF THOSE GAMES!
RetroBird is such a wholesome dude. S-Tier video game enjoyer 🎮
S-Video type of dude 😉
Maybe you can't see the unbridled gamer rage that dwells within that cold black ❤️ heart
You're such a pure soul. Not sure we deserve this channel... especially after how I acted when I was mad back in the Halo 3, MW, MW2 days.
I have a friend who might've ran into you back then.
What were you mad about?
Forgiving is the key word here. Don't be so hard to yourself. Yes, sometimes we tend to say stupid and bad things, but you know what? You are a human being and you have emotions. Look it positive, you have realized what you did and I think that is a good thing.
I think most of us said some things in those games we wish we hadn’t. It’s in the past, we don’t talk about the things we said in those lobbies hehe
This is the most underrated video game channel on RUclips.
Dude, I don’t know how you don’t have more followers. Every sentence of yours is so finely crafted and funny
Thank you for the kind words Deryk :)
@@RetroBirdGaming You’re welcome.
Its simple. The majority of the population are simpletons.
The real console war at my house growing up was having a bunch of consoles but only one TV to split between 5 boys (and my dad) when it came time to play some games.
I grew up in a house of 5 boys, too! We each got a 1-hour turn to play! And man did we each value that time!
Lucky!
Thanks for the squishy RUclips content, I always appreciate the break from the hate.
I remember 25-ish years back the TV pastors telling parents that playing Pokemon was literal devil-worship. 'Video games cause violence' has swung back and forth on the political spectrum a few times in my lifetime. Always somebody out there peddling hate in the guise of love and protecting something.
I will NEVER discourage ANYONE EVER from retro gaming--this is the best!! I wish everyone could enjoy it as much as I do!! Great video, my friend! :)
I grew up in the Nintendo vs. Sega console wars (Genesis vs. SNES). I honestly didn't experience any hate with other kids with video games. I only had a Genesis and another friend had an SNES. We actually would trade consoles occasionally so we could try the console we didn't own. It actually made our bond with video games _stronger_ !
Although, I do agree that online gaming can lead to a bit of hate and anger. This is especially true if the other player that is constantly winning is also behaving in a toxic manner...it just saps the fun out of the game.
I used to rage with my NES back then. I would bite my controller then throw it at the console. I stopped by the time I got my PlayStation. I take very good care of my games and controllers today.
One of my friends ninja starred his Metroid cart into the wall & another ripped a cart straight out of his NES & screamed at it, saying _"you don't exist without me!"_
Just unlocked a memory of Rascal Racers existing. I only know this game from magazine ads.
You feel like a youtuber that would have hit 1 million already- you have such a unique video personality that I’ve never seen before and I really enjoy it
I never really got the console war when I was a kid. I had a NES then a Mega Drive, but was super happy that some friends had Master System/SNES. Just meant we all got to play everything.
It was honestly more of a marketing thing than anything real. I didn't get a sega genesis, and I didn't hate the people who had them, I just wanted a chance to try them out.
My brothers had a friend who would come over and try and convince me to stop playing my Saturn and Genesis regularly. I like to think he's since actually tried those consoles. I've since gotten into Snes and Playstation.
Amazing. I always love the way you make me think and rethink my hobby.
I 'hated' the direction Video Games took from 1996 - 2010 (ish) thus why I hold strangely passionate negative feelings towards Halo, COD, Doom, GoldenEye, and many other well regarded games. Turns out certain frame rates give me motion sickness and early 3D and FPS were literally making me sick. I remember falling over after playing Cabela's on the PS3 and I actually fainted which is how I figured this out. In terms of understandable 'hate' I feel that's up there.
I've heard this from some others as well with the motion sickness. I would definitely not recommend VR gaming for you :)
Quick little story, I took a weight lifting class my freshman year & our teacher was super pumped that ATARI was back in 1993. Being a gamer I asked if I could go to his house & check it out. Right off the back the Jaguar only came with 1 controller, so he got mad a bit there. I can't remember what game he had might of been Aliens, but he lost real quick & the graphics were not to his liking & broke the controller. I awkwardly left & never returned. It is safe to say I've never seen anything like that & it is forever burned into my mind. Never go to a teachers house kids!
I collect vintage video games because I just love playing them when I get time. I even have new ones to so I think that most people get to excited over them too much and most of them just like to complain about anything. Great video man.
I am happy to hear from another collector, but you make me feel old when you call them vintage. They were new when I was younger. The only one I collected that wasn't current at some point in my life was Atari 2600. I started with the NES as a kid.
I remember when Atari came out and we always played combat that was so fun but my favorite game was space invaders was my favorite.
I've been challenged by my absolute love of Demolition Man on Genesis. It's my favorite Genesis game and that broke some brains.
I'm done arguing for it. It knows we're buds and that's what I care about.
You love what you love. No need to justify it. My favorite ps2 game is Neo Contra, you can imagine hiw many people are infuriated by that for some reason, but it doesn't change anything for me. I just keep on playing with a big grin on my face.
Your smile lights up my afternoon.
These videos always cheer me up if I am having a bad day 😊 33.7k Subs is still a lot but I am pretty sure you will be able to reach far beyond that if you keep this up.
Video games have always helped me get over hate. When I was a children and kids picked on me, you better believe I always found out if they liked video games and wanted to tell them how much kool video game stuff I know! Even now when I really hate myself I know that if I find a silly enough game or play the same SNES game for the billionth time I’ll end up having too much fun to care!
I would say love because Gaming has played a huge part in my life!
sometimes their is things i hate in games i like, certain levels or parts that are a pain to play through
We sometimes get passionate to the point of hate, but it’s because we love games so much. I don’t think we hate the games so much as we dislike certain points in the games themselves. Gaming is love. Gaming is life.
Gaming is life indeed :)
I dunno, maybe I was the weird, weird kid - my buddies and I all got different consoles so we could trade consoles and games because we couldn’t afford to buy them all at that age. I had a Genesis, and my two best friends had a SNES and TG16 respectively we all got to enjoy each of them!
I'm so happy I found your channel. Almost as happy as I was when I found this banana.
Love your videos … one thing you just touched on … how now adult players have their kids with multi consoles… one thing I was just talking to a friend about our kids … “these bong holes get more more games in 1 year then what we had in our childhood” since we only had 2 may 3 games like our birthday Xmas and maybe for getting good grades. So you REALLY had to gamble that you were getting a good game
I'm from the UK. We don't directly criticise the competition in adverts, but we missed out, because it sounds like fun!
Glass half full, let’s see what we can do to top it off. Words to live by! I’m going to take that into the start of the work week tomorrow!
can be bad when some one flips the board, hits the reset or power button when they are not doing well
The birth of rage quitting.
The only other form of hate that i would mention in gaming is all the people past and present who would belittle women playing games or scream the N-word into their mic constantly (think Gamergate era), but that's less of an issue of hate in video games and rather a manifestation of societal hate into gaming spaces.
Thank you for the Christmas present that I definitely didn't deserve.
Or lack thereof. From Bayou Billy to Ghostbusters on the NES; there was a lot of games that had a lot of potential that just never quite reached it. ( I'm looking at you; "Clash at Demonhead.")
Can you post the lyrics to your sing/ jingle? I can’t understand all of them.
I want to know what nerdy tomfoolery you are singing about to the fullest.
Inquiring minds want to know!
No problem.
"he's the retro bird, yeah
and he's talkin', talkin' about video games
he's the retro bird, oh yes
and he hopes that you liked what he had to say"
@@RetroBirdGaming Thank you sir!
Fairly new subscriber, first-time commenter and I gotta say, Bird, you have the thoughtfulness and communications skills to make one heck of a therapist or counselor.
Good vibes my friend,hope you doing well. Greatings from Argentina.
The grape soda story REALLY hit home for me. It event felt “special” just thinking about the memory of getting soda when I wasn’t expediting it.
One thing to dislike about retro gaming (“hate” is too strong a word) is represented by one of games you were playing: Castlevania X for SNES. Some games are just too dang expensive if you want original hardware. There’s always the Japanese versions (as long as it’s not an RPG), but it’s only a matter of time until they climb in value too. Otherwise, I love the hobby, and even love hating on bad games.
My History Timeline (UK).
Ww1 - Commodore 64 vs Spectrum.
I had the C64 and it was great, I did enjoy playing my friends spectrum but it could not compare to the C64!
Ww2 - Sega Master system vs Nes.
The Sega Master system was the console of choice here and was by far more popular than the nes - I loved the master system and it's games. (The nes did gain popularity but only when the 90's came and it was being sold cheaper as a budget console.) These days I love both of them and enjoyed exploring the nes library in later years.
Ww3 (The big one) - The Sega megadrive was the console to have and most popular but when the snes came out Nintendo finally had something to compete with!
I had the megadrive and would have all the arguments about sonic vs mario etc, but one game would change it all - Streetfighter 2!
When that game released for the snes, I had to get a super nintendo!
The console wars then got neutralised for me as I enjoyed and loved the best of both worlds and both sides!
All awesome times 👍
Fond memories of my best friend losing his shit playing Blades Of Steal!
I miss those days 😂
I think some people are always going to LOVE to hate. They are the same people that are so quick to tell you why you are wrong and are often not very polite about it.
The way I see it, play what you love and if someone hates it, that’s okay, they don’t need to play it anymore because as far as I know most of us aren’t being held at gun point being forced to play any video games we don’t want to!
11:20 I definitely think projection is one of the most common reasons why people might be angry in general, especially when it seems out of proportion to something as innocuous as talking about loving video games.
Retro Bird As Always A Bird In His Own Sky Appreciate You Fly And Soar High My Retro Brother
Thank you Michael!
@@RetroBirdGaming no problem at all you get down to the real topics of gaming enjoy your holiday season
Man, I felt so special when you alluded to me and a few others who really enjoyed Bayou Billy in this video.Thanks for the shoutout, Retro Bird!! Your channel is sooooo good 😊. Also, as someone who went to middle school and high school during the console wars, I can say that both the Sega Genesis and Super Nintendo are such awesome systems, and I think that because of their fierce rivalry, they truly brought their “A”-game. I look forward to delving into many more games that I have yet to play in both libraries.
I feel the same way about their rivalry. They're actually my top two favorite consoles.
@@RetroBirdGaming That’s awesome 😎
I absolutely love the channel - I only got into gaming around 4 years ago at the age of 32 and get a lot out of both retro and newer games, but really enjoy listening to discussion about these kind of subjects.
Wow! So you actually didn't get into video games as a kid? How did that happen?
Man I’m not gonna lie. I love the video production quality of your videos!
I’ll tell you what I hate. I hate it when I see actors playing a game in a movie, yet they aren’t really playing it. “The 40 Year Old Virgin” is a big violator of this in the “you know how I know you’re gay?” scene. Paul Rudd and Seth Rogen are supposedly playing “Mortal Kombat Armageddon,” yet, you can tell by the way they are mashing their controllers, there is no way either of them are really playing it.
Another thing is when movies have a game in a scene and the music or sound effects don’t actually match the game they are playing. “Fear” has a horrible scene with Reese Witherspoon and her step-brother playing Super Street Fighter II together, yet it has generic bleeps and bloops rather than the game’s actual sounds. Also, when Reese puts the controller down and goes to talk to Alyssa Milano, her fighter keeps playing without her, against her step-brother. So, she wasn’t really playing the game in the scene either.
Is my hatred real or fake? I think it’s pretty real. I feel like it’s insulting to gamers and the games themselves.
Even indulging this conversation is feeding into people who will never concede and do not argue in good faith. The appropriate behavior is to just ignore them, forever.
Anyone can look at your comment history, you know. I see through all your dogwhistles. It's never surprising to see a straight up racist try to dismiss the topic of hate in gaming. Wonder why?
@@neetlukako What hobby is more tolerant of your nonsense? Basketball? Boxing?
@@mickeymickey9914 What nonsense?
@@neetlukako You're a circus clown
The fact that you get crap from people is....crap. The idea that people.are still playing the games I love is awesome!!!
This channel is pure quality
Thank you!
I think some amount of hate is actually healthy for the hobby. Not directing at other fans, but e.g. criticizing low-effort releases on the part of the developers, encouraging other fans to critique and not put up with lazy design or outright greedy tactics (whether that's down-voting and/or straight up not buying the game). Glass half-full people are necessary but glass half-empty people are necessary too!
I totally get what you're saying. Having a discerning eye in order to hold certain standards. At least in theory...
Playing games is an investment of time. Our time is precious, and people can have pretty strong reactions to it being disrespected. But I think we're all inclined toward the tribalism of defending what we love, even if it means hating the other.
Ahhh.. disrespecting how we spend our time. That's a good way of looking at it.
I guess I was more of a "one generation console" household looking back on things. By that I mean out of any console gen, I'd have one side of things. For example, the first console I got new was a Genesis. I had Atari 2600 before that happened, and I got an NES with a ton of games shortly into my Gen time. Then I went PS1, well several PS1s, many of them actually because aftermarket turbo controllers apparently fry the controller boards on those. After that era it was a bit more free form as far as what consoles I owned, but my point stands, I never had a Master System, an SNES or N64/Saturn when they were relevant/fresh.
I love video games! I just had to get that out there.
Well said. Short and simple and straightforward.
Sometimes you just gotta let it out :)
I remember a lot of hate for Final Fantasy XIII and it kept me from playing it until 2016. Turned out that I actually liked it quite a bit.
Keep up the videos dude. I’m a fan of AVGN since 2010 and been a fan of yours for a few months now.
Last time I broke a controller in anger was 1995 playing stunt race fx. I learned to never do that again because my dad wouldn’t replace it with a real snes controller so for Xmas I got a clear knockoff brand turbo controller. It handled horribly but the turbo was fun💥
your sure as right about people back then only owning one system.
I still have that mindset, console room for 1 :)
still don't like gaming on PC whatsoever.
More and more I come to suspect that you, sir, are probably an intelligent, witty, generally decent guy. I genuinely hope the very best for you, that you seek and find Truth :)
I feel so much joy in my heart at this moment
A game I'm so passionate about is Age of Empires 3. A very fast-paced, cerebral and underrated RTS. A couple years back Microsoft released a "remaster" which butchered so much of what made the game special. That lead to a lot "hate" from me in the community, but it was simply criticism born of love. Unfortunately, too many folks will take what they're given without complaint, which just hurts the quality of our games and hobby over time.
The most ‘fake hate’ I’ve felt towards an online opponent was in Metroid prime hunters. There were so many people hacking the game and they were impossible to beat since they were literally cheating and it drove me crazy cause they were the majority of my opponents to the point where it was hard to find any non-cheating ones. They did stuff like clip through and hide inside walls, have infinite health, standing death alt, you name it, they did it and I got so annoyed to the point where I changed my username to something that directly insulted one of my opponents that I ran into too many times and had enough of them. Their name was a bunch of numbers which I can’t remember but I took the first couple of digits then added an equal sign = followed by a highly offensive insult to it and the next match they changed their name to insult me back. I laughed cause I knew I managed to get under their skin the same way they got under mine by hacking the game and ruining the entire online experience for all Metroid prime hunters fans. In hindsight it was stupid and immature but I did what I had to.
That story is fantastic! 😂 I played that only one time online & got creamed so bad by some guy in China that I never played it online again. In retrospect though, he did seem to move unnaturally fast, faster than I thought the game allowed, & now I wonder if he was cheating.
@@NinjaRunningWild if he had a 5 star rating you can be 99.9% certain he cheated. My rating was like 2 stars and it took me forever to even earn that second star. I had a horrible win loss ratio but I played A LOT of matches. At first I had plenty of normal matches against people within a reasonable skill level but eventually the hackers took over the whole online experience
There are certainly things I hate within gaming, games like Assassin's Creed that put all their coolest clothing loot behind a paywall rather than allow you to find it in the game.
Players being angry when a game that was once exclusive goes over to another console or pc, which is something I personally celebrate as it just means more people get to experience it and its better for game preservation in the future.
However the modding scene is one thing I love about gaming. Its creative and it can also make some games more accessible.
Game Pass is another thing I really love about gaming. For games I'm not worried about owning, I can plop down 10$ to play as much as I want for that game and a ton more games, finish the games I want and move on.
I never understood hate and/or loyalty to a title when there is a better version available
We certainly argued over what was better but I don't remember hating anything. All games are fun just some more than others.
Bayou Billy was awesome, especially for it's time, it was way ahead of it!
While I don't specifically hate a game directly (that's silly), I do hate certain game design decisions. It mostly has to do with modern games as they're given the benefit of hindsight, but sometimes it just baffles me who thought it was a good idea for certain designs. My best example is open world racing in an online mode, it just adds time in between races & going to your garage to modify your car. In Single player I can understand it to help immerse, but multiplayer is all about playing with people... I'm looking at you Need For Speed.
As for hating games in general I've started to hate that people who didn't grow up playing traditional games (doesn't matter when, but that they play traditionally monotized games) get taken advantage of by free to play games & miss out on so many other amazing games I know they'd love, if only they'd give them a chance. It also incentives focus on cosmetics vs gameplay innovation & reduces developer & publisher incentive to try new things or create new properties. It's less a burning hatred & more a sad disappointment though.
Xmen children of the atom was my first memory of rage quitting. I couldn't beat magneto for 2 days I tried until I lost it and took the disk out of console and kicked it down the street and snapped it.
I'm that Super Nintendo kid that, now, as an adult has a ton of fun exploring the Mega Drive/Genesis library. Been really getting into Gain Ground recently, for example. Amazingly, there are people that still live the 16-bit console wars and who're still on their fanboy bs, though.
All games are a message about our planet/world, all around. Any hate is just blind towards them.
Another banger my friend....keep up the great work.... retro bird for Prezi 💯
i love your theory about why passionate gamers hate on other gamers. i really relate to that. But in an effort to put some hate on the page, here are top 5 gaming things i hate: 1) Playing games via the RF adapter, 2) The Dreamcast Controller, 3) DS action games that use the stylus, 4) Wii action games that use motion, 5) The fact that the PS4 Pro doesn't play 4k Blu-rays.
P.S. Every time i see you shine gameplay of Castlevania on the SNES i am reminded that i still don't own Super Castlevania IV. damnit.
P.P.S. Let's be friends.
Was team Sega Genesis back then. I have both and much more now. Makes me both old and happy :) My 12 year old self back in 1991 would be jealous
As you said here ,at that time we were lucky by having at least one console. Although, I must say,i was a lucky kid 'cause started very soon playing all sort of videogames ,having Atari 2600, zx Spectrum, Master System, Mega Drive... I play retro games every day
I tend to avoid/tune out most of the hate. So it’s all love in my little gaming microcosm ❤
Did you intentionally choose to showcase some notoriously divisive games in this episode? Because I have pretty strong feelings towards most of them 😂 I won’t get into those opinions, but I will say that one of those games I’ve actually learned to love over time after some bad first impressions.
Ok, it’s Dracula X! If you don’t directly compare it to Rondo of Blood and take it as it’s own unique entity, it’s actually pretty darn good! Sure there are some questionable enemy placements, a couple of lackluster backgrounds here and there and a final boss that can make you want to pull your hair out (until you figure out the trick to beating him), but there’s still a great game under all those flaws that I was too fixated on at first. I recently bought a repro copy (how’d you afford a legit one RB!?) and had a great time playing it. An instance of transcending hate into love.
Still hate Smash Bros tho 😂
Yes, I did intentionally choose some divisive games. As for Dracula X, I got my cart a long time ago. I'd suggest the Japanese cart these days. For the final boss, the trick is to stay almost all the way over to the right for basically the entire fight. Makes it way way more doable.
@@RetroBirdGaming yeah I always grab the axe and chuck them at him from the lowest platform, where it’s easy to dodge his projectiles. When he transforms staying as far to the right of the platforms as possible will indeed keep you from getting knocked off
Quentin Tarantino once said, "Never hate a movie." I think that can be applied to most games. Even bad games have some sort of value (that's why I still own the first TMNT game for NES). The one exception I would make is for predatory monetization/mirco transactions. Sorry... that is my hate burden to bear.
Another great video! LOVED it!
Love for sure so much love I want people to get on my lawn ! Lol
I'm more of a passive-aggressive. I deliberately put a game cartridge I love to play into the console in FULL view of the game cartridge that didn't let me win.
So much truth, Hey Retrobird, have you ever thought that the amount of Hate someone has against people is linked to a lack of bananas? That would be worth a 15 minute video!
I had to have both sega and Nintendo in these days as I did
So, now that the "Team Hate vs Team Love" war is over, I am stepping back into the normal mode 😂.
Still fascinated how much of the comments flow in your vids and this. Shows a real interest of yours, what people write. It also makes me sad, to hear that you get some hate in the comments, but I think these ones are just trolls and how you already said, I think, too, that their hate is just a compensation that they might have a problem with them self.
And to everyone else here: I really appreciate your participation in these talks, maybe there's gonna following a podcast with bird and some of us chatting about these topics as a group "the philosophical videogames talk roundtable" your podcast channel, for the real important questions. Sorry, that just came up my mind, but if someone plans something like that sign me up to be a participant for this 😁👍.
Just a few cents on the console war, my remembrance back then, when it has been Nintendo vs. Sega, at least for me, it felt more than a funny thing. I loved Segas advertisements like the "we can do what Nintendo'".
Nowadays people take this war especially between Sony and Microsoft very serious and that's sad. In the end we are all gamers. No matter where come from or where we play on. So let's take the things that unite us.
I gotta go back and give X Men 2 another look. I remember it being too hard; but looks fun.
It takes some getting used to.. but is a lot of fun for sure.
Man I love your videos.
Glad to hear it!
Bananas are horrendous......ly underated and terrible......to ignore that they taste awful......ly amazing.
i was a sega genesis kid....but when i got older and discovered emulation, i definitely have played and completed way more super nintendo games
I like to hate on forza games for being so arcadey and using rubber banding so much but that's mostly because I love basically everything else about the series.
When it comes to console wars, it's about one needs to take a side if you can't afford several, and then protecting the decision :)
They can be fun and playful when done maturely. In my life, genesis vs snes was alwats playful. The Xbox kids on the other hand, especially with the 360, were just flat out obnoxious.
Hey, is there any one console that you would recommend to get into retro gaming?
I tend to recommend the Sega Genesis and Super Nintendo.
I used to "hate" on sealed game collecting then I rationalized my way into acceptance. No one shuns Pokemon collectors for not playing the TCG, or Lego collectors for not replaying with sets, or RC collectors for not using every one. I'm just happy they also are enjoying the hobby in their way.
The silliest and longest stretch for hating a game out there is probably the website dedicated to hunting down and destroying every copy of Shaq Fu. We all know thatll never happen, but ya gotta respect the effort and passion in that one. Im reminded of it everytime an annoying commercial that Shaq is in interupts my youtube video etc and i then think about mailing my copy of the game to them
Retro gaming - all love! Modern gaming - filled with hate.
I hate that my Grind Stormer cartridge doesn't work. 😡
Quick question, does Solar Striker on Game Boy have a save battery?
So you were a Halo 2 guy huh? I like you even more now. 👍🏻😂 Good stuff man.
It's full of love and hate. Put these two together and you get 'passion'.
Really dig the positivity about this topic! Also, I find myself buying and eating more bananas after watching your videos. 🍌
All right! Eat them nanners :)
I'd say hate (or at least complaining). People always complaining about games & news media blaming games
I enjoy looking at the interesting questions like games for someone's kid (I learn more about a console library like I already do from time to time), or someone got a retro console or something when browsing different community talking platforms and it's clear what's interesting, what's so generic and boring to not even bother and a balance of niche and mainstream, care for hardware and software not just software. While Nintendo has fine games that are the last place for modern I have left besides retro of all those companies that tried and the big 3, Sony made me quit their brand and Microsoft hasn't made me interested since before Kinetic or if the Xbox One then ReCore but still. Their attempts have been boring and it will collect dust everything above 360 and 360 and before will be in my eyes as exciting.
When revolution claims are made for modern games I just sigh. I look up first and I look up new advancements in gaming. When I see trending games get praised I think some things are overblown but I respect certain parts still. For retro games I'm not into the obvious games and more niche ones as I think their experimental/not continued ideas are more compelling personally. Seeing why they didn't, why the games that were were just marketed and appealed more, weren't as generic to sell because their too crazy then grounded enough being a fair factor but also led us to more generic games over time as well even if the western always wanted to push for realistic graphics and appeal due to how the west sees things while Japan focuses on niches in many games video games or hobbies/businesses and it's to see
So seeing the successful games if they do have personality, are wide spread as a gateway character or something is something I consider besides just being big, having lazy dialogue or not. The things TV shows in the west have put me off with references or 'let these teens go to social media for this purpose insert popular social media name here' and I'm just cringing at times while with Japan it's not put in and otherwise if they can't even have a real name of McDonalds and would need a license it's clear why I guess so they have fakes and people still know what it is. We get it exists we don't need it pushed so hard.
I think all fans are fine to have their niche, good or bad games talked about as long as some respect is there. I do go a bit overboard sometimes in different places but if I've seen it to death I can't help but want to get away from it in favour of something else of course because it's too much of it and I gain nothing from seeing it everywhere after a while.
Gaming/collecting is full of love. But when we get on social media the hate just oozes out of us, like some disgusting infection.
Delete all social media!!
I have a bias for RPG games. I think mine would be:
5. Xbox 360 (people forget how great it was during the first half of its lifespan)
4. SNES
3. PSX
2. PS2
1. Switch (yes, really)
Honorable mentions to: Mega Drive, Xbox, GameCube, PS3.