That's exactly my thought. But to be fair, some people criticize the fact that one is actually working two jobs in the same shift or shifts thar overlap. With two fast food jobs you can't work at both places at the same shift. It's one job, you clock out, then you go to the other one. You are focus on one job at a time. With two remote jobs, they assume you're necessarily delivering a sloppy job for both companies because you're not completely focus on one job. In my opinion, this is a case by case thing. One could have solid developer skills and good network and system skills. Instead of being a developer, they choose to be a network administrator or sys admin and work two jobs. They could use their good developer skills to automate as many repetitive tasks they could and get enough time to work efficiently the two jobs.
Working a job is trading time and effort for a paycheck. When you devote time to Company B that Company A has already paid for, it's a theft of company time. It's no different than you sitting on the toilet at the office of Company A scrolling social media for extended periods. That being said, if more companies structured their pay on production rather than time this wouldn't be an issue. The two fast food jobs is a poor example because you can't work them simultaneously.
@@flyinb45 You are countering your own point on the comment. It's okay for ppl to work two jobs whom are already fulfilling the requirements of their jobs mainly because their productivity is heavily underpaid. The issue of employees working two jobs is the companies fault for not bargaining the extra productivity, not the employees.
But what about me trying to land the second or one job? It is greed on the employee. Don’t blame a corporation because a corporation is made up of individuals. At the end of the day it's one guy who makes the decision to let you go or not.
I liked the mercenary description. After being let go twice throughout my career (due to company financial constraints), I have an outlook of looking at jobs as just a mission. I am still friendly, but I am also a hired gun and I expect nothing more than a paycheck for my work. If you get the work done and meet expectation then you can have 2-3 jobs. You've accomplished what they are paying you for, so why not make more if you have the capacity.
That's pretty much my attitude towards it. Having been thrown under a bus a few times by the so called "family" I got it in my head that I'm just there to make a paycheck. Once I get my check I'm out on the next assignment.
Agreed. I recently had the occasion to sit down with my CEO and CFO in what turned into an afternoon long meeting. During that discussion we broached the topic of reviews and grading principles. The CFO is of the opinion that someone like yourself and many others for that matter would simply be satisfactory employees because they're doing what's expected of them. It didn't matter if the quality of your work was exceptional or not. The only way you were graded higher than that is if you were going above and beyond in some way. Basically, you were giving the company something for nothing. This type of company culture is a cancer in my opinion and creates workers who merely show up for a check and do the bare minimum.
@@mushroomhehe370 What are the chances you are creating a new product in a random fast food place? On the other hand in a more professional role you do have privileged information regarding projects, new technologies, etc.
@@mushroomhehe370right, but there not at risk at disclosing sensitive confidential information or trade secrets. Plus, the video is about working two jobs, at the same time, which is not possible in a physical work site like fast food
I had two jobs and when my boss found out he gave me a raise!! He said. "DUDE that is smart af and I always knew you were a smart guy and hard worker! He said that I always worked more than anyone he had and the fact that I had two jobs and only giving half of my effort was amazing! I got a raise from 14.00 to 21.00 per hour immediately..."
Amazing how companies want loyalty but give absolutely none. Good for these guys if they were able to handle two jobs. If the work isn’t slacking its none of their business.
I don’t see how working 2 tech jobs is ‘evil’. My parents worked multiple low earning jobs to put my siblings and I through school. Is it only bad when it’s white collar jobs 🤔. The goal is financial freedom right?
But to be fair, I think some people criticize the fact that one is actually working two jobs on the same shift or shifts that overlap. With two fast food jobs, for instance, you can't work at both places on the same shift. It's one job, you clock out, then you go to the other one. You are focus on one job at a time.
Working a job is trading time and effort for a paycheck. When you devote time to Company B that Company A has already paid for, it's a theft of company time. It's no different than you sitting on the toilet at the office of Company A scrolling social media for extended periods. That being said, if more companies structured their pay on production rather than time this wouldn't be an issue.
@@maxbilo6191 If you are working and provide them with the quality of work for your pay grade then u should be allowed to work it. Believe it or not you are paid to do the job not for giving them time.
@@AELeeify I don't disagree with you. I'm just stating it's too different things to work two different jobs on the same shift and two work one job then go to another job after the first is finished. Some people are confusing the two situations. To rebut a critic one needs to understand what is being criticize and some people seem to miss the point. As far as I'm concerned, I would work two jobs at the same time if I had the opportunity and time to do both.
@Lucy Mwangi correct, no one can maintain even 40h of focused brain work in a week. Productivity goes downhill fast beyond that. You can do mundane work without being alert though.
“If you work hard on your job, you make a living If you work hard on your self, you make a fortune. - Jim Rohn” To a company, you are replaceable. So why being a loyal? Instead work on ourselves 💪🏻 We make remote jobs great again!
Because they are paying you. Let's say you have a cheating wife who hurt you. Would it be fair to your new gf to cheat on her because your ex-wife was horrible? She can replace you just like your old one. A good work relationship is similar where both parties benefit
@@timothygibney159 It depends on the company though. Not everyone one will treat them like they supposed to treat them. Nowadays, they don’t even care. End of the day, it’s all about cutting budget and saving money for the company. We need to work on ourselves. Be an entrepreneur, be a freelancer, do something that we enjoy and have passion for it.
@@tedg.8026 I worked for those. I work for a great company now. At the end of the day like people each place is different. Where I stand is to honor your contract as a matter of integrity. In your grandparents generation people would refuse to do business with you if you broke your word even if you lost money. A deal is a deal. You would be pissed if an employer didn't pay you what was agreed upon. Don't be surprised if they are pissed you didn't fulfill your end of the bargain
@@timothygibney159 What you say is valid only if the contract state that you're not supposed to work another job on the same shift. We're bound by the contract. The salary is on the contract, the employer has no alternative than to pay or else you take them to the court. I think, the employer can't take you to the court (or at least will lose the case) if you do the job you're required to do and the contract don't state that you can't work for another company while working for them.
@@timothygibney159 I definitely would not equate my relationship to my company with the intimate relationship I have with my gf. One is based on money, the other is based on love. I guess the underlying commonality is respect, but overall I just don’t see that as a fair comparison and your employer won’t hesitate to disrespect how you feel when it comes to the bottom line.
Background: I've been overemployed over a year (1 year 2x, 9 months 3x) and have had no issues. I receive full bonuses, I've turned down promotions, and I've received glowing reviews from all 3 gigs. Many of us who are overemployed view work as transactional. We deliver a quantity of work or productivity which the employer pays us for. Many of us have been burnt with reneged promises of promotions, raises, or training programs. To successfully stay overemployed, you need to deliver high quality work. If an employee meets expectations and delivers quality work, then what is the issue? If an employee is not meeting expectations and is not delivering quality work, you counsel or terminate them, regardless of if they have another gig.
Amazing. My experience was that the workload was totally manageable. It was all the other stuff like meetings, brainstorming sessions, collaboration time, that made it hard. I’m hopeful corporate culture will start to shift and we’ll all look back and remember the days when we had to work for a single company and be at their office all day from 9-5.
@@JakeFerrin Agreed, the workload isn't what sinks OE. The meetings make overemployment challenging for sure. Working groups, huddles, agile ceremonies, these all make OE tough. It may take a while to find specific gigs that make it possible.
I work two wfh jobs and don’t get caught because: 1. No one knows but myself I don’t disclose this to any coworkers of employers. 2. I work two jobs that are unrelated: one in auto claims and the other in customer service for medical insurance. 3. I perform both jobs well. This is 2023 inflation is real! We should not be punished for trying to make an honest living by actually WORKING and not looking for handouts or scamming others. Also, I don’t work for competitors- this is a definite trigger for termination with most companies.
The negative comments come down to two things: bitterness and jealousy. They hate that you hacked the system and found a way to literally double your salary.
@@heyrosemaryarnold If I am paying you then a reasonable expectation of a minimum of 8 hours a day of service even after you finished the important things is expected and required. If you want to work for me part time then fine. I will cut your salary in half
I got let go at one of my jobs because they found out i was still working my main job. I was making 120k at each job. Bought a house a traveled like crazy this year. Working on getting another job right now.
@@emmanuelonuoha1880 not really sure. I think it was other employees snooping around, never updated my LinkedIn and this company was all about “culture” so when they posted on linked it i was a “good look” if you shared the post and etc. my advice for anyone doing it. Deactivate your linked in lol
This is the first I have heard of this. If companies don’t want people working two jobs then they should pay enough to survive with one job. What a crock of BS!!! Any job I have been in they were fully aware of my other jobs because I would tell them,” I have to leave on time to make it to my other job.” Never had an issue. Never work for anyone who demands exclusivity.
This is funny, I got fired today from one of my remote jobs :) I didn't like that one, the boss sucks. I have an interview next week to get another job again. I've been doing this by 9 months, the money that comes with it is amazing. BUT these are my advices for you that is starting on it: - Be the best you can on both jobs. - Be the best you can in participating in all required meetings. Be present by talking all the possible time, so when you are not able to attend some meeting they will not notice it too much. - Don't accept promotions that will require more of you time, you can give an excuse that you are not prepared yet, or that you are focusing on mental health, etc. Doing this, you will get 2x more money, and will be happy in both jobs. The fact is that you need to find jobs that are "overemployment" compatible -> few meetings, zero micro-managment.
I mean, Bell, himself, works two jobs. He's both a CEO and has been an angel investor in 11 different companies during the last six years. If he's doing justice to his "jobs," then he's undoubtedly working two full-time jobs. I don't see anyone saying he's stealing from his company.
I used to work two jobs. One as a user experience designer and the other as a college faculty member teaching design. I declared it in my HR paperwork for the technology sector job. They did not permit working two jobs, but since one was in academia they permitted it.
I have ALWAYS kept multiple jobs, and have avoided getting trapped at one, never worried about getting fired, if a workplace started to be a bad fit I can leave anytime and not worry about the paycheck.
If you spent more time working (even 2 jobs), and less time messing around, there is plenty of time in a day to do two jobs well....if you're good at what you do. Being good at what you do is always up to you in any case.
I was doing this in the past and one company gave me a bonus and the other company said they loved my performance. I'd say the hard part is really just juggling virtual meetings, which is trivial if you're organized. I stopped because both companies wanted me to start coming to the office to baby monitor me. It makes sense from an employee perspective, why work extra for the same pay at one job when you can do the same level of exceptional work for more employers in different industries. I think employers have a problem with it because they have poor metrics for individual work performance and it sounds like their products would not receive dedication.
For someone like myself, I've worked at jobs where the employer has you sign a statement where you must notify the company of any secondary employment opportunities. Another previous job had us on hourly billable contracts, so I was required to work 40 hours each week on a project and track my hours towards client projects, internal projects, or training. This would have been a huge limiting factor for trying to get a second job as well since I'd practically need to work 80 hour work weeks if that were the case. So, kudos to you on getting 2 remote jobs!👏
You’re going to have to accept that you’re “Two Jobs Guy”. The internet’s algorithms have decided. I found you a week ago because of that. but you got a new subscriber :)
With how expensive stuff is, you have no choice but to work two damn jobs. I'll add that the controlling nature of a lot of businesses in my area is why I'm looking for remote work (no luck yet). Some jackass is always micromanaging.
My grandpa told me he worked with a guy who had two full time office jobs, building across the street from each other. The guy would always disappear to attend various meets in each building.
I saw the Canopy CEO's post on LinkedIn and in my opinion he turned the comments off because he doesn't want people thinking that employment is a two way street. I have seen people get let go without a reason and because Utah is an at will state you don't have to provide a reason as an employer or employee but are expected to give two weeks as an employee culturally. Him trying to act like working two jobs is immoral just screams how much he favor's the business over the employee and how he thinks it should be a one way street, the work is your family type. I also think its peculiar how it is praised at the C level like if the CEO is helping other businesses grow or spreading time between companies they are considered amazing and fantastic and praised, yet if an employee does it, its frowned upon or morally wrong..... haha could be just me but maybe just maybe C level executives don't want regular employee's to make closer to what they make and actually have options or financial freedom....
The "safest" option for more than one job is establish yourself in one full time job and then start doing contract work. You can always make the *argument* that the contract work is outside your prime job work hours.
I was thinking the same thing. First become good at 1st job, make sure you are familiar and can do tasks quickly. Then adapt second job probably less advanced and get onboard on this one. I same thought freelance is better or running your own business where in case you can say you are there just for purpose of taxes and your husband is running it and he Neds partner or something to have better taxes or soemnibg 😢😮
As a Product Designer you have the luxury of freelancing! That's the happy medium that I found so that I don't feel like "I'm cheating" on either company. It's clear from the beginning that I'm a contractor and I freelance for multiple clients.
@@leonhenry4861 As someone who's actually done both, I'm recommending that freelancing is better for his situation. If you paid attention you'd see that he wants to make more money without upsetting the companies he's working for.
Jake- how about make a content for 2 jobs tips and tricks? • LinkedIn profile- do you update? Keep one job? • Job references? • Filing a tax? Forums? • Zoom/Skype meetings? • Resume update? Etc Thoughts 💭?
Comcast did remote work for people that worked in their call centers during Covid 19 in 2020 but they required people to take home a company laptop and log into the laptop to clock in for the job. Since it was a call center job as soon as you clock in you start to receive calls back to back too so it would be really difficult to do 2 remote jobs at the same time. Ive also heard of people accepting remote jobs from states where the pay is higher (like NY or CA) and living out of a state where the costs of living is lower (like TX or FL). One of my friends who works at a hospital said that when he works from home the hospital makes him use a company laptop that blocks access to the internet and everything that isnt hospital software.
This is how you win the long game. Live where the cost of living isn’t that high, but work in a state where the company pays better. The issue now is that companies are requiring their remote workers to live in the state the company is in. FYI, speaking from the HR industry, I’m unaware of what programmers, designers, or what the tech side requires.
Physical jobs have taken this attitude as well jobs paying $9 an hour. If hint at needing a second job, they tell you this isn’t the type of job where you work two jobs. In this case I don’t think one can be over employed and they need to be grateful someone is willing to make it work.
I’d like to point out this is an American issue. In UK unless your contract specifically excludes it (most don’t) or there was a conflict of interest or you lied (something specific like not attending meetings and saying you were sick when you weren’t) then you would NOT be able to be fired for holding multiple jobs.
@@JakeFerrin my understanding is outside of private owner small businesses it’s much harder in the UK to fire someone. You have to build up an evidence base and demonstrate you raised performance issues with them, what support was provided to try age resolve it, etc. If you were providing normal outputs compared to your colleagues they wouldn’t be able to fire you and if they tried they would lose at independent tribunal.
@@shey1865 at the same time I have reflected it must be a lot harder to become overemployed in the UK anyway as we are very focused on references as part of our job applications and one must be quite recent - this would make applying for additional employed roles a lot harder to do without your current employer being aware.
@@eastcoast4233 Regarding references I think it depends on which previous job you wanted to ask for a ref(say you started your 1st job 4 months ago, then you could use your original reference for the 2nd job rather than your current) but then again I’m not 100%, this is just how I would go about it haha! But my role has a fair bit of downtime and my coworkers did ask me if I’d ever do it … it’s looking quite appealing with this cost of living debacle
In the early 90’s I worked 2 full time permanent government jobs. I did not get fired, I got called on the rug and told to choose one. Both jobs were IT support based. It’s been 30+ years and the branch of government that did not get chosen is still butthurt. I kept that job for 33 years, recently retired. During my employment history, more than half of it I had a 1099 side gigs. In the computer field there is a HUGE discrepancy in qualified personnel. It’s like those programming classes in college where in the beginning the professor allows 120+ students to add the class because by the second midterm only 40 will be there. Of that, only 10 will be qualified as employable in that programming language. Qualified personnel is very rare in this industry. The years of expansion in the industry has allowed fluff to work their way into jobs they would not otherwise have. It’s not about that you do that makes you valuable, it’s YOU. Enjoy your children while they are cute. Save and invest. Don’t neglect the ROTH portion of retirement savings. I saved %10 during my career and retired at 56yo. It was hard leaving a 6 figure, 200 hour PTO per year job but after my last trip I’ll never be tied to a paycheck again.
no way. these companies just try to ingrain this sense of "we are your begin all and end all", you must bow to our wishes, wants and needs. i work in retail management and have had to face off with all these problems of everything you do must be for the company or store's good, but as soon as these companies decide to take cost cutting measures or close a department or store, you get let go without a second thought. i find myself in much the same position currently. in 2020 and 2021, when these mega corps couldnt get anyone to work they fed me overtime like it was going out of style. now that the recession has started, all overtime is cut off, even scheduling managers less then 40 hours a week. so working a second job is what drew me to watch your videos. if these companies value someone enough, they would do whatever they have to do to hold onto them. i think we are conditioned on tales of back in the 1950's if you worked for ford or one corporation or company you stayed loyal and the company would take care of you for the next 30+ years into retirement. now it is you must look out for yourself. you must look out for the corporation of yourself. if your intial company had valued you that much, even if they couldnt give you a 10% bumb in salary, couldnt they have covered that cost with stock options or stock bonuses? that would make youre undivided time and energy worth it to you, because it is now your company too. in the end it is a reserve pyramid, with the higher ups doing little to nothing and gaining most of the profit yearly, while the people actually doing the work benefitting little from all their efforts.
Really appreciate your honesty and willingness to share. You must have super strong mentality to be going through all the comments like that. And still maintain balance. Super impressed.
Employers are selfish and feel entitled to all of your time, like a spoiled ex girlfriend😂 The same employer won’t hesitate to fire you if they needed to save money!
@@prettybrwneyez7757 I’m pretty sure those 11,000 fired facebook employees wished they had a second Job! Company loyalty is like having a crack head house sitting your home, and expecting not to get robbed! Don’t be stupid!
They're literally buying your time.. So why wouldn't they be annoyed when they find out they're paying people to work for another company while on their clock at the same time. The problem isn't 2 jobs its that they're technically stealing time from both companies by working on the other job while on their clock. They're paying for them to work for someone else. Now if they're working separate time slots that's totally different. The problem is the people working the same 8 hr +/- period.
Its so strange to me that working two jobs is considered a bad thing amongst the higher echelons of employment. I work as a jet mechanic right now and a lot of my older co workers are just part timers who used to work here full time but have since moved to other outfits/airlines but are still friendly with our companys management.
I now realize that you have to choose your second job carefully. I discovered if I worked a job that was a tier beneath my first job I could do it. If I worked a job that truly required 8 hours of hardcore work i couldn’t. I’d be up to the wee hours doing more work than I could handle.
If you don’t want people working 2 jobs lower the cost of living for one, this isn’t a problem for the in house commuters , they have no problem with them leaving one job drive across the city to the next, dealing with traffic and gas…that’s crazy 🙄
you could make the argument that people working 2 high paying jobs makes it harder for people working one paying job to make ends meet. LOl and they are taking another high paying job. LOL but I dont think the employers should be the ones concerned.
@@emmanuelonuoha1880 I’m not sure. I don’t think they found out, I just think the company downsized, but he already had other fallbacks; he makes 200k+ with two jobs
Just discovered your channel. Love your work! I ended up taking on two remote video editing jobs (and trying to build my own RUclips channel) and boy that was a bad decision. I’m absolutely burnt out and starting to think it’s not worth it. Didn’t get fired but just put my notice in for one of the jobs..
I did it last year. Depending in what industry you work in, youre able to successfully achieve 2 simultaneous remote jobs, for compliance and intellectual property reasons.
Honestly I’ve worked 2-3 jobs since COVID as a developer. I’ve gotten fired once for a conflict. My current roles are open to it as the roles don’t play in the same space. One is a core developer the other is pretty much tiered support.
I think what you said that if you meet job role expectations, and exceed them most people are like well we don’t want to loose you and we stay Businesss as Usual. The one I got fired was my second time doing a second job and I knew it was a competitor, so it was like hey I will put in my notice now and they said termination button was faster
@@emmanuelonuoha1880 the one that I got fired from? I had previously been given an Amazon account that I never used. The second company wanted to give me an Amazon account and found out I had one and pulled it from company A. Company A HR was informed.
It's amazing what you can get when you hold the position of power. I haven't worked 2 jobs at the same time, but I do keep a good amount of savings so that when it comes time to negotiate I'm not at the mercy of my employer. I think being in that position of power throws off a lot of managers and recruiters that are use to being able to just have it their way. Cheers!
Thanks! I'm thinking about doing some videos on UX stuff. What would be most useful for you? Are you thinking like Figma tutorials? Or advice on interviewing / getting into UX?
@@JakeFerrin All of the above honestly, over the past couple of years I've transitioned over from a graphic designer to a UI designer (primarily working now in XD and Figma depending on the type of client work and their dev team preferences) but I just haven't really been able to wrap my head around UX and product design yet so any/all content based around that would be most useful
Dude, I really enjoy your videos. Yeah, I'm in the camp where I'm trying to get my foot in the door, but I'd never see it as you took 'my' job even if you were still working 2 jobs. You have skills that I don't have yet. Keep up the good work. Ever consider videos on how to get going in UX design?
I really do enjoy your content. I have been working 2 full time jobs in IT for the last 2 years. The important part was the guilt factor which I did not have, because both jobs were in different time zones. When I was done with my first project (EUROPE 8 A.M. - 4 P.M) I had my daily on the second one (US 4 P.M.) Additionaly I really cared for both projects and unfortunatelly there were days when I had to work 8 AM to 8 PM or even more if needed. Family was not happy, but I had the need to do it. Yet most of the time If you try to avoid meetings as much as possible and do everything through slack, you can be pretty efficient with the work. 80/20 book about Pareto's Principle also helped me a lot, focusing on things that are actually important. I was thinking about dropping one of the projects several times, but I really believe that this is benefficient to me and to the companies I work for. My experience increased vastly during the last 2 years. The problems I had on one problems, were instantly solved on the the other one, because I already had the solution after solving it on the first one. I try to keep the technology stack similar between projects, because of that. So I believe that keeping 2 projects is fine as long as you give your best in both and you just care. I may be just looking for excuses though :)
I work two jobs for the same employer. Prior to taking on an administration job with my employer, the person had only this position, and I kept the full time position I had previously. I am also doing even more. I would bet that a lot of employees find themselves in this position as well. We work seven days a week and are supposed to get at least one free day off a week, but that very very rarely happens.
The price of living has gone up. so why would companies care as long as it doesn't affect job performance? This is the side hustle era and everyone has income on the side. I believe companies target people who are stuck to the job for reasons like mortgages, student loans, and family. And in my opinion, this is the reason why people are turning to minimalism or not having any more children or not having children at all.
The bigger problem is mid to long-term - if job can be done remotely, then company can hire from anywhere in the world. Given cost of living index in USA, that’s scary situation for Americans.
As a longtime consultant and contractor if you are a full-time W-2 employee looking to pick up another job, ensure the following: that your employment contract does not prohibit you from working for someone else while under that employment contract. If they don't tell you that you can't, then they really can't fire you on the spot. You haven't broken any rules.
hey mate, which one looks better? When you are still working and looking for a job vs when you quit and look for a job? which gives me more leverage? thanks
Oh shiiz to this resonated when I seen the title because I'm thinking of doing that. I ain't even seen your video yet. Let me get the Tea on this situation.
@7:56 so that guy thinks not telling your first boss about the second job when you get it later on is the problem? I agree with you that is controlling. Your boss doesn’t need to know your business. Maybe if your work was suffering, then there would be an argument for disclosure but even if your whole family died on the same day and your work suffered, you are not obligated to tell your boss anything of your life outside of that job.
I am not too worried, there is more jobs in my field than there are people to do them so if they have a problem with that, there is the option of reminding them exactly how hard it may be to find a new employee for the job. Hell, they might even have to train that one up to company standard for a while.
I’m not sure on the details, but It becomes a conflict of interest for either company. Most employers I’ve worked for don’t mind if you moonlight so long as it doesn’t interfere with your obligation to them and the second company isn’t directly competing for the first company’s business.
How do companies find out? Do people post new jobs on LinkedIn? This makes me want to work for myself more in a smaller market if a company wants to limit my income potential.
At the end of the day you’re an expendable number to your employer. It’s not about friendships or how nice the company is. It’s just business. What happened to the American Dream attitude?
I only have energy for *one* full-time job. I have outside interests I don't want encroached upon with a second job. It helps I don't live paycheck to paycheck because of my mostly frugal lifestyle. If you have the motivation to work two jobs and can do it well, then good for you.
First make sure that your employment contract allows it. If not, it would state that unless there’s a written approval from the management then you can.
What delusion are you living? Most full time tech jobs aren’t going to involve any contracts. They will leverage corporate policy. If the policy states you have to disclose other jobs, it’s the policy. It’s not a contract. You agree to the companies policies on your first day on the job. Personally, a second job would rob me of my valued time off work. Not interested
In the UK it is called ‘Moonlighting’, it is not illegal but you can loose your job. With the workforce moving to WFH / hybrid working after COVID, things are changing but we are well behind the US
If you have the skills to work two full time jobs, quit both and freelance or start your own business. Getting fire for having two non competing jobs is crazy!
The last comment from that CEO was so stupid @15:41. You can't "steal" a job from someone if they didn't have possession of that job to begin with. This kind of disingenuous language screams that he doesn't like the fact that a very small amount of power is starting to shift towards the workers, and that the employer doesn't have complete control over your one source of income.
9:29 i think it’s a ‘thing’ because of the higher compensation in the tech industry. working two jobs has a stigma that alot think it’s only for minimum wage earners and very little is said about that; however, when this is happening and two 6 figure salaries is the payout this creates resentment.
It shouldn't create resentment, it should create worry about income inequality being so bad that even people who earn well feel the need to juggle multiple jobs. No one should have to work more than one job in order to afford a home, healthcare, and a comfortable lifestyle.
I work two jobs and my management team keeps scheduling me incorrectly. It's really annoying when people don't understand a basic concept of availability but my coworkers can have their schedules worked with.
If someone is paying you for "full time" work, they expect full focus. There are more and more tech people being let go every day. Companies will demand in person work, or they will hire overseas
But if my output is the same whether I am working 1 or 2 jobs why should it matter? I have noticed in my developer industry, when you are on top of your game you get a lot of instances where you have very little work to do. It fills the day up better with two jobs, both employers are happy because I am hitting my targets, there is no conflict of interest because both companies are in unrelated fields. Why shouldnt I be able to get more for my skills? In fact the companies are saving more because I would be full time employed and not a contractor.
In 2008 I worked 2 full-time jobs and was doing online school at the same time and was doing Nat'l Guard and still made less than half of what 1 of these entry-level code monkeys did
I feel like this really depends on the industry you're working in as well. I work in enterprise networking and if you were to take another job at another company doing the same thing there would be legal implications with security concerns and intellectual property. I can see this working a lot better in creative fields or areas where project and task focused work occurs more but between steady state support of networks in the field (Company is retail with well over a thousand locations) and the enterprise side along with many mandatory meetings this could never work in my line of work unfortunately.
True. Or you could work for companies in two unrelated fields if you are a software engineer for example. Intellectual property is still known to a person even after they leave a job so working two jobs at the same time does not really impact that.
I’m an occupational therapy assistant. I have 3 jobs and they all know about each other. 1 full time, 1 part time, and 1 per diem. We (all Americans in the 99%)are not paid enough. 100,000 is like $55,000 25 years ago
MSP's also manage how many different clients at a time? Two or more remote jobs is no different, its just independent. Getting the work done, what's the issue?
As long as both employers are aware of the two job situation there's no issue. If you aren't up front with your employer then you're obviously hiding something.
So my fiancé works in wealth management/investments/stocks… he signed a non-compete and there is verbiage about working a second job or for another employer that conflicts with what they do, could result to termination. It’s conflict of interest and sharing confidential and trade information about investments and stock market which is a huge violation. If he wants to do his own financial consulting he has to get it approved by his company. If he was doing furniture refurbishing & flipping it, or working as a waiter at a restaurant that’s totally not the same industry and would be fine with his employer. So he can have a second job, but it can’t conflict with his industry or compete against it.
There is regular jobs that try this bs too , like what I do on my free time is not your business but they don’t like that if u need stay over and you have other obligations you’re no longer of value to them..
Lol, knew what was coming in the comments once I saw the video. So many are missing the aspect of working 2+ jobs on the same shift. Depending on the job, you’re taking away productivity from another job who payed you in units of time for productivity to better their company. With the current pay structure for most jobs it’s time based pay not project/productivity pay. It would have to be a new invented standard to get payed by productivity and projects. Even if there was a move towards that, the set up has so many negative drawbacks on both the employer and employees side. Either could get screwed over. Each person has so many variables going into their productivity that it would be case by case for putting a numerical value on pay that I don’t think there would ever be a way to get there where both sides are happy.
These days people need to work more than one job to afford everything because of how high everything is and heaven forbid anyone to have anything for retirement let alone losses, setbacks, and just basic needs.
FFS working two full time jobs IS NOT STEALING! Some of these big high and mighty financial advisors and even CEO's and investment fund managers ENCOURAGE people to work as many jobs as possible to be able to invest more, or to get out of debt faster. Working two full time jobs is NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN THAT. As long as you aren't breaking any contracts, NDA's, etc, and you are giving both jobs your full attention and giving them the time and work they expect from you, THEN IT'S FINE. Jesus Christ.
If you’re F/T w2, then a company could come after you for fraud. Depends on employment agreement. If freelance/independent contractor, then totally fine - but should be transparent about it.
Working two fast food jobs and no one bats an eye. Work two high salary jobs to be able to afford a home and everyone loses their mind.
Bingo!
Exactly!
That's exactly my thought.
But to be fair, some people criticize the fact that one is actually working two jobs in the same shift or shifts thar overlap. With two fast food jobs you can't work at both places at the same shift. It's one job, you clock out, then you go to the other one. You are focus on one job at a time.
With two remote jobs, they assume you're necessarily delivering a sloppy job for both companies because you're not completely focus on one job.
In my opinion, this is a case by case thing.
One could have solid developer skills and good network and system skills. Instead of being a developer, they choose to be a network administrator or sys admin and work two jobs. They could use their good developer skills to automate as many repetitive tasks they could and get enough time to work efficiently the two jobs.
Working a job is trading time and effort for a paycheck. When you devote time to Company B that Company A has already paid for, it's a theft of company time. It's no different than you sitting on the toilet at the office of Company A scrolling social media for extended periods. That being said, if more companies structured their pay on production rather than time this wouldn't be an issue. The two fast food jobs is a poor example because you can't work them simultaneously.
@@flyinb45 You are countering your own point on the comment. It's okay for ppl to work two jobs whom are already fulfilling the requirements of their jobs mainly because their productivity is heavily underpaid. The issue of employees working two jobs is the companies fault for not bargaining the extra productivity, not the employees.
It's so weird to me that working two jobs is seen as a "bad thing" now, but it just shows the greed of corporations bent on breaking people.
But what about me trying to land the second or one job? It is greed on the employee. Don’t blame a corporation because a corporation is made up of individuals. At the end of the day it's one guy who makes the decision to let you go or not.
@@erickbenitez5248 huh?
@@erickbenitez5248 im guessing you are the corporate wh#re? or also known as a lapdog
@@asadb1990 No I run a multi-million dollar real estate portfolio.
@@erickbenitez5248 if you have a portfolio why are you trying to land a job lol.
I liked the mercenary description. After being let go twice throughout my career (due to company financial constraints), I have an outlook of looking at jobs as just a mission. I am still friendly, but I am also a hired gun and I expect nothing more than a paycheck for my work. If you get the work done and meet expectation then you can have 2-3 jobs. You've accomplished what they are paying you for, so why not make more if you have the capacity.
That's pretty much my attitude towards it. Having been thrown under a bus a few times by the so called "family" I got it in my head that I'm just there to make a paycheck. Once I get my check I'm out on the next assignment.
Agreed. I recently had the occasion to sit down with my CEO and CFO in what turned into an afternoon long meeting. During that discussion we broached the topic of reviews and grading principles. The CFO is of the opinion that someone like yourself and many others for that matter would simply be satisfactory employees because they're doing what's expected of them. It didn't matter if the quality of your work was exceptional or not. The only way you were graded higher than that is if you were going above and beyond in some way. Basically, you were giving the company something for nothing. This type of company culture is a cancer in my opinion and creates workers who merely show up for a check and do the bare minimum.
Interesting viewpoint. I agree after layoffs and playing the ethics game, I’m ready to try something new.
I think the only issue to consider is. Make sure the second company is not a competing company in any way.
Like do not work at 2 software companies, do not work at 2 engineering firms or 2 different fast food restaurants?
poor poople work at two competing fast food jobs all the time though
@@mushroomhehe370 What are the chances you are creating a new product in a random fast food place? On the other hand in a more professional role you do have privileged information regarding projects, new technologies, etc.
@@mushroomhehe370right, but there not at risk at disclosing sensitive confidential information or trade secrets. Plus, the video is about working two jobs, at the same time, which is not possible in a physical work site like fast food
I had two jobs and when my boss found out he gave me a raise!! He said. "DUDE that is smart af and I always knew you were a smart guy and hard worker! He said that I always worked more than anyone he had and the fact that I had two jobs and only giving half of my effort was amazing! I got a raise from 14.00 to 21.00 per hour immediately..."
Thats huge wth
nah the fact that you were making 14 an hour is criminal
😂
Amazing how companies want loyalty but give absolutely none. Good for these guys if they were able to handle two jobs. If the work isn’t slacking its none of their business.
Employers want the upper hand and want to keep you down SOO BADD!
It’s pathetic
I don’t see how working 2 tech jobs is ‘evil’. My parents worked multiple low earning jobs to put my siblings and I through school. Is it only bad when it’s white collar jobs 🤔. The goal is financial freedom right?
But to be fair, I think some people criticize the fact that one is actually working two jobs on the same shift or shifts that overlap. With two fast food jobs, for instance, you can't work at both places on the same shift. It's one job, you clock out, then you go to the other one. You are focus on one job at a time.
Working a job is trading time and effort for a paycheck. When you devote time to Company B that Company A has already paid for, it's a theft of company time. It's no different than you sitting on the toilet at the office of Company A scrolling social media for extended periods. That being said, if more companies structured their pay on production rather than time this wouldn't be an issue.
@@maxbilo6191 If you are working and provide them with the quality of work for your pay grade then u should be allowed to work it. Believe it or not you are paid to do the job not for giving them time.
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I don't disagree with you.
I'm just stating it's too different things to work two different jobs on the same shift and two work one job then go to another job after the first is finished.
Some people are confusing the two situations.
To rebut a critic one needs to understand what is being criticize and some people seem to miss the point.
As far as I'm concerned, I would work two jobs at the same time if I had the opportunity and time to do both.
@Lucy Mwangi correct, no one can maintain even 40h of focused brain work in a week. Productivity goes downhill fast beyond that. You can do mundane work without being alert though.
“If you work hard on your job, you make a living
If you work hard on your self, you make a fortune. - Jim Rohn”
To a company, you are replaceable. So why being a loyal? Instead work on ourselves 💪🏻
We make remote jobs great again!
Because they are paying you. Let's say you have a cheating wife who hurt you. Would it be fair to your new gf to cheat on her because your ex-wife was horrible? She can replace you just like your old one. A good work relationship is similar where both parties benefit
@@timothygibney159 It depends on the company though. Not everyone one will treat them like they supposed to treat them. Nowadays, they don’t even care. End of the day, it’s all about cutting budget and saving money for the company. We need to work on ourselves. Be an entrepreneur, be a freelancer, do something that we enjoy and have passion for it.
@@tedg.8026 I worked for those. I work for a great company now. At the end of the day like people each place is different. Where I stand is to honor your contract as a matter of integrity. In your grandparents generation people would refuse to do business with you if you broke your word even if you lost money. A deal is a deal. You would be pissed if an employer didn't pay you what was agreed upon. Don't be surprised if they are pissed you didn't fulfill your end of the bargain
@@timothygibney159 What you say is valid only if the contract state that you're not supposed to work another job on the same shift. We're bound by the contract.
The salary is on the contract, the employer has no alternative than to pay or else you take them to the court. I think, the employer can't take you to the court (or at least will lose the case) if you do the job you're required to do and the contract don't state that you can't work for another company while working for them.
@@timothygibney159 I definitely would not equate my relationship to my company with the intimate relationship I have with my gf. One is based on money, the other is based on love. I guess the underlying commonality is respect, but overall I just don’t see that as a fair comparison and your employer won’t hesitate to disrespect how you feel when it comes to the bottom line.
Background: I've been overemployed over a year (1 year 2x, 9 months 3x) and have had no issues. I receive full bonuses, I've turned down promotions, and I've received glowing reviews from all 3 gigs. Many of us who are overemployed view work as transactional. We deliver a quantity of work or productivity which the employer pays us for. Many of us have been burnt with reneged promises of promotions, raises, or training programs. To successfully stay overemployed, you need to deliver high quality work. If an employee meets expectations and delivers quality work, then what is the issue? If an employee is not meeting expectations and is not delivering quality work, you counsel or terminate them, regardless of if they have another gig.
Amazing. My experience was that the workload was totally manageable. It was all the other stuff like meetings, brainstorming sessions, collaboration time, that made it hard. I’m hopeful corporate culture will start to shift and we’ll all look back and remember the days when we had to work for a single company and be at their office all day from 9-5.
appreciate your comments! how did you manage LinkedIn? the second job just trust you have resigned from the first one?
@@JakeFerrin Agreed, the workload isn't what sinks OE. The meetings make overemployment challenging for sure. Working groups, huddles, agile ceremonies, these all make OE tough. It may take a while to find specific gigs that make it possible.
Doesn't your employment contract state 38 hours a week, 9-5 or are you a contractor?
How do you do it? I've been considering this, I would appreciate some tips please. Thank you
I work two wfh jobs and don’t get caught because:
1. No one knows but myself I don’t disclose this to any coworkers of employers.
2. I work two jobs that are unrelated: one in auto claims and the other in customer service for medical insurance.
3. I perform both jobs well.
This is 2023 inflation is real! We should not be punished for trying to make an honest living by actually WORKING and not looking for handouts or scamming others.
Also, I don’t work for competitors- this is a definite trigger for termination with most companies.
Love it Sis🙌🏽 underrated comment! Taking your advice!!!
The negative comments come down to two things: bitterness and jealousy. They hate that you hacked the system and found a way to literally double your salary.
Not jealousy just unethical
@@timothygibney159 if you can do both and your work is satisfactory then what is the problem?
@@heyrosemaryarnold If I am paying you then a reasonable expectation of a minimum of 8 hours a day of service even after you finished the important things is expected and required. If you want to work for me part time then fine. I will cut your salary in half
@@timothygibney159 So busy work for the sake of busy work and not efficiency?
I agree!
I got let go at one of my jobs because they found out i was still working my main job. I was making 120k at each job. Bought a house a traveled like crazy this year. Working on getting another job right now.
What type of job ??
how did they find out that you were working two jobs?
@@Vkeen product management
@@emmanuelonuoha1880 not really sure. I think it was other employees snooping around, never updated my LinkedIn and this company was all about “culture” so when they posted on linked it i was a “good look” if you shared the post and etc. my advice for anyone doing it. Deactivate your linked in lol
Elon Musk works several jobs now. What’s the big deal?
This is the first I have heard of this. If companies don’t want people working two jobs then they should pay enough to survive with one job. What a crock of BS!!! Any job I have been in they were fully aware of my other jobs because I would tell them,” I have to leave on time to make it to my other job.” Never had an issue. Never work for anyone who demands exclusivity.
This is funny, I got fired today from one of my remote jobs :)
I didn't like that one, the boss sucks. I have an interview next week to get another job again.
I've been doing this by 9 months, the money that comes with it is amazing. BUT these are my advices for you that is starting on it:
- Be the best you can on both jobs.
- Be the best you can in participating in all required meetings. Be present by talking all the possible time, so when you are not able to attend some meeting they will not notice it too much.
- Don't accept promotions that will require more of you time, you can give an excuse that you are not prepared yet, or that you are focusing on mental health, etc.
Doing this, you will get 2x more money, and will be happy in both jobs.
The fact is that you need to find jobs that are "overemployment" compatible -> few meetings, zero micro-managment.
Crazy.. Do you know why they fired you? Great advice btw.
appreciate your comments! how did you manage LinkedIn? the second job just trust you have resigned from the first one?
How do you manage Linkedin? Don't you have to show which company you belong to?
Do you knowhow they found out that you have two jobs?
Man. I'm trying to get just one job.
Where do you start?
I mean, Bell, himself, works two jobs. He's both a CEO and has been an angel investor in 11 different companies during the last six years. If he's doing justice to his "jobs," then he's undoubtedly working two full-time jobs. I don't see anyone saying he's stealing from his company.
I used to work two jobs. One as a user experience designer and the other as a college faculty member teaching design. I declared it in my HR paperwork for the technology sector job. They did not permit working two jobs, but since one was in academia they permitted it.
I’ve worked with many people who also teach. It’s definitely not uncommon in industry.
I have ALWAYS kept multiple jobs, and have avoided getting trapped at one, never worried about getting fired, if a workplace started to be a bad fit I can leave anytime and not worry about the paycheck.
Exactly the ball is in your court.
If you spent more time working (even 2 jobs), and less time messing around, there is plenty of time in a day to do two jobs well....if you're good at what you do. Being good at what you do is always up to you in any case.
I was doing this in the past and one company gave me a bonus and the other company said they loved my performance. I'd say the hard part is really just juggling virtual meetings, which is trivial if you're organized. I stopped because both companies wanted me to start coming to the office to baby monitor me. It makes sense from an employee perspective, why work extra for the same pay at one job when you can do the same level of exceptional work for more employers in different industries. I think employers have a problem with it because they have poor metrics for individual work performance and it sounds like their products would not receive dedication.
For someone like myself, I've worked at jobs where the employer has you sign a statement where you must notify the company of any secondary employment opportunities. Another previous job had us on hourly billable contracts, so I was required to work 40 hours each week on a project and track my hours towards client projects, internal projects, or training. This would have been a huge limiting factor for trying to get a second job as well since I'd practically need to work 80 hour work weeks if that were the case.
So, kudos to you on getting 2 remote jobs!👏
You’re going to have to accept that you’re “Two Jobs Guy”. The internet’s algorithms have decided. I found you a week ago because of that. but you got a new subscriber :)
Proof, most these jobs are busy work. Dumb meetings, pointless paperwork passing that is now digital.
Good for you bro! Seriously 👏
I don’t see why these companies are so upset, they seem to have no problem having you help someone else do their job without additional compensation.
As long as you get your work done, your boss shouldn't care what you do outside of work.🤷🏾♂️
unless your other job is for a company in the same industry (or contracted by a company in the same industry)
With how expensive stuff is, you have no choice but to work two damn jobs. I'll add that the controlling nature of a lot of businesses in my area is why I'm looking for remote work (no luck yet). Some jackass is always micromanaging.
As long as the work is getting done and the quality is consistent then I don't see an issue.
My grandpa told me he worked with a guy who had two full time office jobs, building across the street from each other. The guy would always disappear to attend various meets in each building.
did it for 10 months... it’s draining but worth it as the same time.
I saw the Canopy CEO's post on LinkedIn and in my opinion he turned the comments off because he doesn't want people thinking that employment is a two way street. I have seen people get let go without a reason and because Utah is an at will state you don't have to provide a reason as an employer or employee but are expected to give two weeks as an employee culturally. Him trying to act like working two jobs is immoral just screams how much he favor's the business over the employee and how he thinks it should be a one way street, the work is your family type. I also think its peculiar how it is praised at the C level like if the CEO is helping other businesses grow or spreading time between companies they are considered amazing and fantastic and praised, yet if an employee does it, its frowned upon or morally wrong..... haha could be just me but maybe just maybe C level executives don't want regular employee's to make closer to what they make and actually have options or financial freedom....
never let your let your lefthand know what the RIGHTHAND doing.
The "safest" option for more than one job is establish yourself in one full time job and then start doing contract work. You can always make the *argument* that the contract work is outside your prime job work hours.
I was thinking the same thing. First become good at 1st job, make sure you are familiar and can do tasks quickly. Then adapt second job probably less advanced and get onboard on this one. I same thought freelance is better or running your own business where in case you can say you are there just for purpose of taxes and your husband is running it and he Neds partner or something to have better taxes or soemnibg 😢😮
As a Product Designer you have the luxury of freelancing! That's the happy medium that I found so that I don't feel like "I'm cheating" on either company. It's clear from the beginning that I'm a contractor and I freelance for multiple clients.
Freelance is not the same as 2 full time jobs. Did you not pay attention?
@@leonhenry4861 As someone who's actually done both, I'm recommending that freelancing is better for his situation. If you paid attention you'd see that he wants to make more money without upsetting the companies he's working for.
Jake- how about make a content for 2 jobs tips and tricks?
• LinkedIn profile- do you update? Keep one job?
• Job references?
• Filing a tax? Forums?
• Zoom/Skype meetings?
• Resume update? Etc
Thoughts 💭?
I would love it to have such video
Comcast did remote work for people that worked in their call centers during Covid 19 in 2020 but they required people to take home a company laptop and log into the laptop to clock in for the job. Since it was a call center job as soon as you clock in you start to receive calls back to back too so it would be really difficult to do 2 remote jobs at the same time. Ive also heard of people accepting remote jobs from states where the pay is higher (like NY or CA) and living out of a state where the costs of living is lower (like TX or FL).
One of my friends who works at a hospital said that when he works from home the hospital makes him use a company laptop that blocks access to the internet and everything that isnt hospital software.
This is how you win the long game. Live where the cost of living isn’t that high, but work in a state where the company pays better.
The issue now is that companies are requiring their remote workers to live in the state the company is in.
FYI, speaking from the HR industry, I’m unaware of what programmers, designers, or what the tech side requires.
Physical jobs have taken this attitude as well jobs paying $9 an hour. If hint at needing a second job, they tell you this isn’t the type of job where you work two jobs. In this case I don’t think one can be over employed and they need to be grateful someone is willing to make it work.
I’d like to point out this is an American issue. In UK unless your contract specifically excludes it (most don’t) or there was a conflict of interest or you lied (something specific like not attending meetings and saying you were sick when you weren’t) then you would NOT be able to be fired for holding multiple jobs.
That's super interesting. Couldn't they fire you and act like it was for something else? Like performance related?
@@JakeFerrin my understanding is outside of private owner small businesses it’s much harder in the UK to fire someone. You have to build up an evidence base and demonstrate you raised performance issues with them, what support was provided to try age resolve it, etc. If you were providing normal outputs compared to your colleagues they wouldn’t be able to fire you and if they tried they would lose at independent tribunal.
Yeah our employment laws here (UK) are pretty strict.
@@shey1865 at the same time I have reflected it must be a lot harder to become overemployed in the UK anyway as we are very focused on references as part of our job applications and one must be quite recent - this would make applying for additional employed roles a lot harder to do without your current employer being aware.
@@eastcoast4233 Regarding references I think it depends on which previous job you wanted to ask for a ref(say you started your 1st job 4 months ago, then you could use your original reference for the 2nd job rather than your current) but then again I’m not 100%, this is just how I would go about it haha! But my role has a fair bit of downtime and my coworkers did ask me if I’d ever do it … it’s looking quite appealing with this cost of living debacle
In the early 90’s I worked 2 full time permanent government jobs. I did not get fired, I got called on the rug and told to choose one. Both jobs were IT support based. It’s been 30+ years and the branch of government that did not get chosen is still butthurt. I kept that job for 33 years, recently retired. During my employment history, more than half of it I had a 1099 side gigs. In the computer field there is a HUGE discrepancy in qualified personnel. It’s like those programming classes in college where in the beginning the professor allows 120+ students to add the class because by the second midterm only 40 will be there. Of that, only 10 will be qualified as employable in that programming language. Qualified personnel is very rare in this industry. The years of expansion in the industry has allowed fluff to work their way into jobs they would not otherwise have. It’s not about that you do that makes you valuable, it’s YOU. Enjoy your children while they are cute. Save and invest. Don’t neglect the ROTH portion of retirement savings. I saved %10 during my career and retired at 56yo. It was hard leaving a 6 figure, 200 hour PTO per year job but after my last trip I’ll never be tied to a paycheck again.
As an software engineer, it can be really productive to work on different projects interlaced. So why not?
no way. these companies just try to ingrain this sense of "we are your begin all and end all", you must bow to our wishes, wants and needs. i work in retail management and have had to face off with all these problems of everything you do must be for the company or store's good, but as soon as these companies decide to take cost cutting measures or close a department or store, you get let go without a second thought. i find myself in much the same position currently. in 2020 and 2021, when these mega corps couldnt get anyone to work they fed me overtime like it was going out of style. now that the recession has started, all overtime is cut off, even scheduling managers less then 40 hours a week. so working a second job is what drew me to watch your videos. if these companies value someone enough, they would do whatever they have to do to hold onto them. i think we are conditioned on tales of back in the 1950's if you worked for ford or one corporation or company you stayed loyal and the company would take care of you for the next 30+ years into retirement. now it is you must look out for yourself. you must look out for the corporation of yourself. if your intial company had valued you that much, even if they couldnt give you a 10% bumb in salary, couldnt they have covered that cost with stock options or stock bonuses? that would make youre undivided time and energy worth it to you, because it is now your company too. in the end it is a reserve pyramid, with the higher ups doing little to nothing and gaining most of the profit yearly, while the people actually doing the work benefitting little from all their efforts.
Really appreciate your honesty and willingness to share. You must have super strong mentality to be going through all the comments like that. And still maintain balance. Super impressed.
Employers are selfish and feel entitled to all of your time, like a spoiled ex girlfriend😂 The same employer won’t hesitate to fire you if they needed to save money!
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@@prettybrwneyez7757 I’m pretty sure those 11,000 fired facebook employees wished they had a second Job! Company loyalty is like having a crack head house sitting your home, and expecting not to get robbed! Don’t be stupid!
I totally agree.
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They're literally buying your time.. So why wouldn't they be annoyed when they find out they're paying people to work for another company while on their clock at the same time.
The problem isn't 2 jobs its that they're technically stealing time from both companies by working on the other job while on their clock. They're paying for them to work for someone else.
Now if they're working separate time slots that's totally different. The problem is the people working the same 8 hr +/- period.
Its so strange to me that working two jobs is considered a bad thing amongst the higher echelons of employment.
I work as a jet mechanic right now and a lot of my older co workers are just part timers who used to work here full time but have since moved to other outfits/airlines but are still friendly with our companys management.
I now realize that you have to choose your second job carefully. I discovered if I worked a job that was a tier beneath my first job I could do it. If I worked a job that truly required 8 hours of hardcore work i couldn’t.
I’d be up to the wee hours doing more work than I could handle.
Yeah I think that would be the key
You need to work a second easier job like in college
80+ actual hours would be not worth it and unsustainable
If you don’t want people working 2 jobs lower the cost of living for one, this isn’t a problem for the in house commuters , they have no problem with them leaving one job drive across the city to the next, dealing with traffic and gas…that’s crazy 🙄
you could make the argument that people working 2 high paying jobs makes it harder for people working one paying job to make ends meet. LOl and they are taking another high paying job. LOL but I dont think the employers should be the ones concerned.
I have a menor that is overemployed and he got fired while doing so. He didn’t care. He still had extra jobs 😂
how did they find out that he was working two jobs?
@@emmanuelonuoha1880 I’m not sure. I don’t think they found out, I just think the company downsized, but he already had other fallbacks; he makes 200k+ with two jobs
Just discovered your channel. Love your work! I ended up taking on two remote video editing jobs (and trying to build my own RUclips channel) and boy that was a bad decision. I’m absolutely burnt out and starting to think it’s not worth it. Didn’t get fired but just put my notice in for one of the jobs..
Saw this coming. Job stacking. I’m working with someone doing the same thing now. 🤷🏽♀️ If you can do it.. good for you. It’s always a gamble ❤
I did it last year.
Depending in what industry you work in, youre able to successfully achieve 2 simultaneous remote jobs, for compliance and intellectual property reasons.
Considering the damage inflation is causing.i don't blame people for doing whatever they can to survive
Honestly I’ve worked 2-3 jobs since COVID as a developer. I’ve gotten fired once for a conflict. My current roles are open to it as the roles don’t play in the same space. One is a core developer the other is pretty much tiered support.
I think what you said that if you meet job role expectations, and exceed them most people are like well we don’t want to loose you and we stay Businesss as Usual. The one I got fired was my second time doing a second job and I knew it was a competitor, so it was like hey I will put in my notice now and they said termination button was faster
I will say the only reason I got fired was because I choose to continue working the new job which was a better opportunity.
@@_bass3xe838 we’re you fired because they found out you were working multiple jobs or was it a performance related issue?
how did they find out that you were working two jobs?
@@emmanuelonuoha1880 the one that I got fired from? I had previously been given an Amazon account that I never used. The second company wanted to give me an Amazon account and found out I had one and pulled it from company A. Company A HR was informed.
It's amazing what you can get when you hold the position of power. I haven't worked 2 jobs at the same time, but I do keep a good amount of savings so that when it comes time to negotiate I'm not at the mercy of my employer. I think being in that position of power throws off a lot of managers and recruiters that are use to being able to just have it their way. Cheers!
Awesome video and love your channel! Would love to see some videos on UX/UI design, keep up the great work!
Thanks! I'm thinking about doing some videos on UX stuff. What would be most useful for you? Are you thinking like Figma tutorials? Or advice on interviewing / getting into UX?
@@JakeFerrin All of the above honestly, over the past couple of years I've transitioned over from a graphic designer to a UI designer (primarily working now in XD and Figma depending on the type of client work and their dev team preferences) but I just haven't really been able to wrap my head around UX and product design yet so any/all content based around that would be most useful
Dude, I really enjoy your videos. Yeah, I'm in the camp where I'm trying to get my foot in the door, but I'd never see it as you took 'my' job even if you were still working 2 jobs. You have skills that I don't have yet. Keep up the good work. Ever consider videos on how to get going in UX design?
Thanks! Yeah I'm working on some stuff that is specific for new UX designers trying to get their first job.
I can't even land 1 job and there's people having 2 at once.
Hustle culture
I really do enjoy your content. I have been working 2 full time jobs in IT for the last 2 years. The important part was the guilt factor which I did not have, because both jobs were in different time zones. When I was done with my first project (EUROPE 8 A.M. - 4 P.M) I had my daily on the second one (US 4 P.M.) Additionaly I really cared for both projects and unfortunatelly there were days when I had to work 8 AM to 8 PM or even more if needed. Family was not happy, but I had the need to do it. Yet most of the time If you try to avoid meetings as much as possible and do everything through slack, you can be pretty efficient with the work. 80/20 book about Pareto's Principle also helped me a lot, focusing on things that are actually important. I was thinking about dropping one of the projects several times, but I really believe that this is benefficient to me and to the companies I work for. My experience increased vastly during the last 2 years. The problems I had on one problems, were instantly solved on the the other one, because I already had the solution after solving it on the first one. I try to keep the technology stack similar between projects, because of that. So I believe that keeping 2 projects is fine as long as you give your best in both and you just care. I may be just looking for excuses though :)
Good points. Thanks for explaining this from your perspective.
I work two jobs for the same employer. Prior to taking on an administration job with my employer, the person had only this position, and I kept the full time position I had previously. I am also doing even more. I would bet that a lot of employees find themselves in this position as well. We work seven days a week and are supposed to get at least one free day off a week, but that very very rarely happens.
The price of living has gone up. so why would companies care as long as it doesn't affect job performance? This is the side hustle era and everyone has income on the side. I believe companies target people who are stuck to the job for reasons like mortgages, student loans, and family. And in my opinion, this is the reason why people are turning to minimalism or not having any more children or not having children at all.
I just need to know how to make it so they cannot dig into my business 😂
The bigger problem is mid to long-term - if job can be done remotely, then company can hire from anywhere in the world. Given cost of living index in USA, that’s scary situation for Americans.
As a longtime consultant and contractor if you are a full-time W-2 employee looking to pick up another job, ensure the following: that your employment contract does not prohibit you from working for someone else while under that employment contract. If they don't tell you that you can't, then they really can't fire you on the spot. You haven't broken any rules.
I work a 9-5 on site, and a work from home pt but want to go FT from home one day. This helps 💙
Why are people yelling at the top of a mountain that their working two jobs? Seems odd.
hey mate, which one looks better? When you are still working and looking for a job vs when you quit and look for a job? which gives me more leverage? thanks
Oh shiiz to this resonated when I seen the title because I'm thinking of doing that. I ain't even seen your video yet. Let me get the Tea on this situation.
for the longest Employers has been the ones with multiple forms of income but know that employees doing it its a problem
@7:56 so that guy thinks not telling your first boss about the second job when you get it later on is the problem? I agree with you that is controlling. Your boss doesn’t need to know your business. Maybe if your work was suffering, then there would be an argument for disclosure but even if your whole family died on the same day and your work suffered, you are not obligated to tell your boss anything of your life outside of that job.
I am not too worried, there is more jobs in my field than there are people to do them so if they have a problem with that, there is the option of reminding them exactly how hard it may be to find a new employee for the job. Hell, they might even have to train that one up to company standard for a while.
That's literally what I'm doing working a full time salary job while also handling logistics of my own 3 businesses
I’m not sure on the details, but It becomes a conflict of interest for either company. Most employers I’ve worked for don’t mind if you moonlight so long as it doesn’t interfere with your obligation to them and the second company isn’t directly competing for the first company’s business.
How do companies find out? Do people post new jobs on LinkedIn?
This makes me want to work for myself more in a smaller market if a company wants to limit my income potential.
At the end of the day you’re an expendable number to your employer. It’s not about friendships or how nice the company is. It’s just business. What happened to the American Dream attitude?
I only have energy for *one* full-time job. I have outside interests I don't want encroached upon with a second job. It helps I don't live paycheck to paycheck because of my mostly frugal lifestyle. If you have the motivation to work two jobs and can do it well, then good for you.
I was over-employed briefly. It was nice.
So theres several people with 2 remote jobs and I don’t even have 1😕
First make sure that your employment contract allows it. If not, it would state that unless there’s a written approval from the management then you can.
What delusion are you living? Most full time tech jobs aren’t going to involve any contracts. They will leverage corporate policy. If the policy states you have to disclose other jobs, it’s the policy. It’s not a contract. You agree to the companies policies on your first day on the job.
Personally, a second job would rob me of my valued time off work. Not interested
In the UK it is called ‘Moonlighting’, it is not illegal but you can loose your job. With the workforce moving to WFH / hybrid working after COVID, things are changing but we are well behind the US
If you have the skills to work two full time jobs, quit both and freelance or start your own business. Getting fire for having two non competing jobs is crazy!
The last comment from that CEO was so stupid @15:41. You can't "steal" a job from someone if they didn't have possession of that job to begin with. This kind of disingenuous language screams that he doesn't like the fact that a very small amount of power is starting to shift towards the workers, and that the employer doesn't have complete control over your one source of income.
9:29 i think it’s a ‘thing’ because of the higher compensation in the tech industry. working two jobs has a stigma that alot think it’s only for minimum wage earners and very little is said about that; however, when this is happening and two 6 figure salaries is the payout this creates resentment.
Exactly
It shouldn't create resentment, it should create worry about income inequality being so bad that even people who earn well feel the need to juggle multiple jobs. No one should have to work more than one job in order to afford a home, healthcare, and a comfortable lifestyle.
I work two jobs and my management team keeps scheduling me incorrectly. It's really annoying when people don't understand a basic concept of availability but my coworkers can have their schedules worked with.
If someone is paying you for "full time" work, they expect full focus. There are more and more tech people being let go every day. Companies will demand in person work, or they will hire overseas
But if my output is the same whether I am working 1 or 2 jobs why should it matter? I have noticed in my developer industry, when you are on top of your game you get a lot of instances where you have very little work to do. It fills the day up better with two jobs, both employers are happy because I am hitting my targets, there is no conflict of interest because both companies are in unrelated fields. Why shouldnt I be able to get more for my skills? In fact the companies are saving more because I would be full time employed and not a contractor.
In 2008 I worked 2 full-time jobs and was doing online school at the same time and was doing Nat'l Guard and still made less than half of what 1 of these entry-level code monkeys did
I feel like this really depends on the industry you're working in as well. I work in enterprise networking and if you were to take another job at another company doing the same thing there would be legal implications with security concerns and intellectual property. I can see this working a lot better in creative fields or areas where project and task focused work occurs more but between steady state support of networks in the field (Company is retail with well over a thousand locations) and the enterprise side along with many mandatory meetings this could never work in my line of work unfortunately.
True. Or you could work for companies in two unrelated fields if you are a software engineer for example. Intellectual property is still known to a person even after they leave a job so working two jobs at the same time does not really impact that.
SO CEO can work multiple jobs but as soon as the flock does they trip , fk them
If it’s in 2 different country .. ex Cdn and US, won’t get fired, chance is low :)
I’m an occupational therapy assistant. I have 3 jobs and they all know about each other. 1 full time, 1 part time, and 1 per diem.
We (all Americans in the 99%)are not paid enough. 100,000 is like $55,000 25 years ago
MSP's also manage how many different clients at a time? Two or more remote jobs is no different, its just independent. Getting the work done, what's the issue?
As long as both employers are aware of the two job situation there's no issue. If you aren't up front with your employer then you're obviously hiding something.
So my fiancé works in wealth management/investments/stocks… he signed a non-compete and there is verbiage about working a second job or for another employer that conflicts with what they do, could result to termination. It’s conflict of interest and sharing confidential and trade information about investments and stock market which is a huge violation. If he wants to do his own financial consulting he has to get it approved by his company. If he was doing furniture refurbishing & flipping it, or working as a waiter at a restaurant that’s totally not the same industry and would be fine with his employer. So he can have a second job, but it can’t conflict with his industry or compete against it.
They just don't want people to be rich and leave the workspace. Take a salary and forget your dreams.
There is regular jobs that try this bs too , like what I do on my free time is not your business but they don’t like that if u need stay over and you have other obligations you’re no longer of value to them..
Lol, knew what was coming in the comments once I saw the video. So many are missing the aspect of working 2+ jobs on the same shift. Depending on the job, you’re taking away productivity from another job who payed you in units of time for productivity to better their company. With the current pay structure for most jobs it’s time based pay not project/productivity pay. It would have to be a new invented standard to get payed by productivity and projects. Even if there was a move towards that, the set up has so many negative drawbacks on both the employer and employees side. Either could get screwed over. Each person has so many variables going into their productivity that it would be case by case for putting a numerical value on pay that I don’t think there would ever be a way to get there where both sides are happy.
These days people need to work more than one job to afford everything because of how high everything is and heaven forbid anyone to have anything for retirement let alone losses, setbacks, and just basic needs.
FFS working two full time jobs IS NOT STEALING! Some of these big high and mighty financial advisors and even CEO's and investment fund managers ENCOURAGE people to work as many jobs as possible to be able to invest more, or to get out of debt faster. Working two full time jobs is NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN THAT. As long as you aren't breaking any contracts, NDA's, etc, and you are giving both jobs your full attention and giving them the time and work they expect from you, THEN IT'S FINE. Jesus Christ.
If you’re F/T w2, then a company could come after you for fraud. Depends on employment agreement.
If freelance/independent contractor, then totally fine - but should be transparent about it.
But yet the CEO has 5 different jobs and is celebrated for sitting on the board for 3 to 5 other companies.
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