Steve, that’s the second time riding mtb this month… 😄 Interesting, yet as a normal family guy, I really don’t care which one is faster, I’ll keep riding my e-mtb just because it makes me smile more and ride more. Nice video! 😁
@@lozetchells9164 Being in a "wet" US state, I'm still trying to get a grasp on water risk (rain, puddles, crossings), so far am choosing dry days, which isn't every day of the week for me LOL.
I've found the tires and suspension work better on the EeB. Flat off camber turns the EeB just has more traction. A lot of people complain they can't flick an EeB around with the extra weight. I hardly notice it since I ride a lot of moto. It's only 15-20 more pounds compared to the dynamo of 200+ pound moto. Wow! What time to be two wheeled enthusiast! Enduro Bikes, DH Bikes, EeBs! Uphill! Downhill! So many fun ways to get your dopamine fix! Good Time! Cheers!
It’s just all the more reason to get an emtb. Look these manufacturers need to reel it the fuck in. Charging 8-10k for a non-motorized bike in 2024 is just absurd.
Extra weight making a bike more composed makes sense. My Orbea Wild feels also more composed as my Ibis Ripmo. What didnt make sense to me was the lack of protection besides the helmet.
I used to ride motocross (YZ250) and wore full protection on the track. When I switched to MTB, I was very nervous with the minimum protection we wear although the speed is way slower than MX but the jumps are still ..... big. I am riding an Ibis Ripley AF that weighs 34 lbs and I am on the fence about getting an Orbea Wild H10 that weighs 54 lbs, or a Orbea Rise that weighs 44 lbs. My YZ250 MX is way heavier but the darn MTB is so light and fun to throw around on the fast downhill. I am leaning towards the Wild, and my birthday is coming up ....
@@sevenohnine I think the Rise is very similar to your Ripley (and my Ripmo). I have so far, even here in the very flat netherlands no regrets about my Wild. the thing rides amazing. Yes there is more weight as with the Ripmo, but in a positive way. Can,t wait to take it to the Mountains.
@@thegreatseprano9918 cant tell if ur fishing for hate comments or genuinely have no knowledge 😅 if its the latter, then look up the heart rates vs mtb. Be suprised. The motor takes a large sting out of your legs so less leg workout than normal mtb. Thats main difference
@@thegreatseprano9918 Too much noise, forbidden in a lot of places, unreliable, heavy. Unless you go for an electric dirtbike, Emtb will always be the king of multipurpose 2 wheelers
I've owned the Firebird and several EMTBs. My current EMTB is the new Repeater PT. I think the results here were very predictable based on the bikes and the suspension platform. The Firebird makes a great long travel all mountain bike, but isn't the most composed bike on high speed enduro tracks. This is due to the extremely short chainstay length, and suspension platform. A more purpose built race MTB with longer a longer chainstay (Yeti SB160, RAAW Madonna, Banshee Titan etc.) would have been a better comparison with the Strive. The weight of an EMTB certainly helps, but I'm convinced that the longer chainstays are a big factor in making the EMTBs faster down rough enduro tracks. Note: I really hope Steve reads this comment because it really explains his issues with body positioning on the Firebird. He would have been much more comfortable on a traditional MTB with a longer chainstay.
I believe that a “normal bike” rider will have the opposite results of this. I haven’t ridden a normal mtb for years now & a 10kg lighter bike will negatively effect my dh riding, until i re get use to it. Ps another run with the battery on was needed in this vid;)
I really like your content but to be honest: What´s the big thing of being some seconds faster or slower? As you already stated: some one younger, fitter, taller or smaller ... in other words: another person might or might not change the whole story. At least I don´t care. But what I care is how it feels to me. And if you feel better on the EMTB (just like I do) then go for it. If not, go for another solution. We all have a huge range of options to choose from and that´s awesome.
Good job presenting the aspects of the two machines from your perspective. I would definitely like to see the same comparison from the other direction.
From my experience with pretty much strictly Dh type courses, my e-bikes have been faster than my non powered bikes however i feel like i have to work a bit harder riding my ebike and tossing it around.
Another great issue from Stevie! Yep my eBike weighs 54 lbs....sometime the weight is good some time not ....glad I ride an eBike though I can go anywhere I want and haver fun!
I actually find it to be the difference. As someone that switched to emtb I have to say I find the extra weight hard to manage in terms of throwing the bike where I need it. Also line correction seems so much hard on the emtb and brakes don't bite quite as well
Learn the physics of it, heavier bike...maybe brake harder before the corner and powering out rather than steaming through on a reg mtb. Try different things
I think it's a fair comparison extra lower weight will be more stable and faster down a hill in order for it to get a better idea would take many riders of different skips to repeat the runs and as Steve says I'm not sure it would be much different... Arthur
E-MTB is just faster and as much fun. It’s also more forgiving of a lack of talent (me: no talent vs you: masses of talent). What’s telling in this particular instance in my view is the pricing. Anyway, another genuinely great vid. Love how you’ve worked out how to get beyond the conundrum of funding such high quality production 🎉🎉🎉
I'd say depends on the course, and in particular how tight and built up corners are. From what I saw here, unsurprising that a bike with lower/heavier COG would be faster as it looked like the lines were pretty straight with lots of solid, banked turns.
Funny, I just did a little of this testing myself- completely unscientific. Oso vs Bronson. Seemed about the same. In fact in one short run was exactly the same. That said, I agree with you Steve-,the Oso felt better. The weight really is an advantage in gnarly DH Imo. Will be interesting to see if my findings hold up on some longer DHs.
The test was too see how the weight actually effects the downhill times! This was following rumours that some racers will be riding eMTBs without the battery in the Downhill World Series this year 🤙
With more unsrung mass, as with an emtb, the suspension is more active and and feels more planted, but DH racers have extensively tested adding weights to bikes and it has not proved to consistently decrease times.
Those that haven't spent enough time on an EMTB will be sceptical, but I guarantee that you could be like me, and prefer the extra weight of an EBIKE and like how planted it feels once you've got used to that different feeling. Whenever I ride my MTB now, it doesn't feel right and I don't like how jittery it is. I do feel faster on my EMTB, no question.
I use regurally both eMTB and Enduro. I can confirm my Altidude Powerply is faster in 80% of the tracks. The Enduro is faster where inertia is a limit, like in very very steep and tight track or where there are a lot of tight switchback and offcamber turn.
Two weeks ago i won the masters category at our local state DH series with my emtb turned off. Batterry still in. Ep801 motor . As far as i know its the first class win against dh bikes. My Patrol e7 had dorads up front at 180mm travel and the chassis has 170mm rear travel.. Not boasting.. just asking if an emtb had won a dh event not in a emtb specific category?
Try the same concept video on a flow trail that you can definitely ride the same lines and then take the chains off both bikes. We do this once a year and I’m way faster now on the Ebike than I was on my Abike
the price difference of the pivot is utterly ridiculous. there is no way it costs anything like that to build at all. and because it seems normal now to demand stupidly high prices for analogue bikes, they will soon cause themselves to go bust. people will not pay it
My comparison is not fair: an older Giant Trance (140 - 150 mm, 27,5") versus a newer Merida eOne-Sixty (150 - 160 mm, mullet). I have no head to head tests, but where I could compare them on the same Strava DH segments the ebike was quite always faster. OK, it's not a fair comparison, but my impression is that weight wasn't ever against me.
As an owner of both, yeah in general the ebike is faster and your legs fatigue less, but on tighter trails filled with small jumps normal bikes are faster. It just takes a huge effort to move heavy ebikes around. I guess a lightweight ebike would be the best allrounder
Apparently weight can make you faster in a straight line, but when you throw cornering into the mix the difference is really small! Check out GMBNs video on it here 👉 ruclips.net/video/3tnaeJSrqLs/видео.html
No comment on pedal kick back? Don’t e-bikes have a clutch allowing it to be unaffected by pedal kick back? Similar to a O-chain setup on a downhill bike. If so that would be a huge help for the e-bike.
Ya'll need to get the none auto shift Transition Repeater in for review. I have had one for a few months and it is ridiculously good, no one has done a long term review yet and its definitely not going to be me lol.
I honestly think that there is such a thing as too light for a mountain bike and an ebike at 24kg is a good weight to be more poised. You don't get bounced around as much
Love you guys but what's the point? No one is riding an E mountain bike down the hill without turning it on. Turn it on then test it that would be interesting. 😊 I do agree heavier bikes are more planted, promote confidence can be ridden faster.
One sample ride on the bikes may not be adequate to draw an impartial conclusion ..... 😢. Please sample more rides on this route on a different day, then repeat the process to take more sample rides on two or three routes at different locations, on multiple days. Then the conclusion can be a bit more realistic? Naturally one would expect the bike with the larger mass to go downhill faster but it would be interesting to add the "human (rider) factor" in this equation. Sorry ... I used to work at NASA 😅😊
I swear your editor who choses the music has some tunes in their library, this is not the first video i went like "damn that's a good track" and shazammed it
no way,steve,as a light rider , i have more fun + feel much faster w light bike[Orbea Rise]. 3 years of riding ugly,pragnant Ebikes was bitter sweet- experience
It’s just all the more reason to get an emtb. Look, these manufacturers need to reel it the fuck in. Charging 8-10k for a non-motorized bike in 2024 is just absurd. I have an emtb and an efatbike and love them both. They are just more fun. Only bikes I have that are still manual is my gravel and road bike because I like to race and they still are fun without power at 43 years old. But if it’s not smooth gravel or pavement I want an electric for it lol.
So weird how you guys seem to consider mtb's and e-mtb's entirely different things. Like in the last video Steve Jones saying he hasn't ridden a mountain bike in 6 years, then going onto say he's only been riding e mountain bikes. Wtf? Aren't they both mountain bikes? I find it really weird. This is from someone who has never ridden an emtb and ridden normal mountain bikes for 40 years. Thinking about getting one though as I'm getting old.
Yes it´s weird to pretend MTB and EMTB are completely different universes. They are not. They´re just two version of the same thing more or less. But what does getting an EMTB has to do with getting old(er)?
When the trails go from down hill to briefly up and your going back up hill at 20mph the emtb is annoying u lose your flow because of the stupid limiter..... on those tracks. Pedal bike for the win
Very surprised the emtb was that much faster, especially with the motor off. But the most surprising thing was the price of the pivot. I can JUST ABOUT justify spending that much on an EMTB, but for a bike without a motor and battery and all the electronics? Nah no thank you.
How is this a test you could have got two MTBs and put a ten kilo weight in the triangle of one. If you're comparing an EMTB and a MTB then use them as intended. That is the comparison. Horse and cart v internal combustion engine car. I do enjoy your channel but just say it as it is because that's where most punters exist.
After just over two years on my Norco Range VLT, my Specialized Enduro feels loose & twitchy. I am so much faster on my Range and I attribute that to it's weight.
Get better? What the Enduro or the Range? Basically, my Enduro has nothing over my Range and sits collecting dust, because e-bikes are so dam good. @@embn
Ah sorry, we meant do you think you will get used to the Enduro over time and maybe get faster! But if you're not riding it then that probably won't be the case. eBikes are amazing 🤘 Happy trails!
When I hear nimble and playful on a 25 kg I want to give the reviewer a ride in a trunk across the whole route 66 and ask him fow how it rides. Horrible
What do you feel is faster eMTB or MTB? Or are they too similar? Let us know in the comments! 👇
Was Steve already familiar with the trail or did some of the time savings come from knowing what to expect the 2nd time?
Steve, that’s the second time riding mtb this month… 😄
Interesting, yet as a normal family guy, I really don’t care which one is faster, I’ll keep riding my e-mtb just because it makes me smile more and ride more. Nice video! 😁
Haha, I thought the same thing, I hope Steve isn't going all peculiar on us!
EMTB all the way, every day of the week.
@@lozetchells9164 Being in a "wet" US state, I'm still trying to get a grasp on water risk (rain, puddles, crossings), so far am choosing dry days, which isn't every day of the week for me LOL.
I've found the tires and suspension work better on the EeB. Flat off camber turns the EeB just has more traction. A lot of people complain they can't flick an EeB around with the extra weight. I hardly notice it since I ride a lot of moto. It's only 15-20 more pounds compared to the dynamo of 200+ pound moto.
Wow! What time to be two wheeled enthusiast! Enduro Bikes, DH Bikes, EeBs! Uphill! Downhill! So many fun ways to get your dopamine fix!
Good Time! Cheers!
Very interesting 🤔 What bikes are you currently riding? (also the moto 👀) Such a great time for two wheels!
Ebikes do feel like ships compared to 10kg lighter enduro normal bikes.
@@embn I ride a 54 pound 2022 Marin Alpine E2 with DH sidewall tires.
For Motos I ride Gas Gas MC125, Gas Gas MC250, and Honda CR500.
What are EeBs? I know of ebikes and emtbs.
I love how the canyon ebike is cheaper than the pivot without a motor. Pivot makes beautiful bikes, but, man, what a premium $
And pivot is still fairly priced, if you compare to Norco, specialized or Santa Cruz prices👀💀
It’s just all the more reason to get an emtb. Look these manufacturers need to reel it the fuck in. Charging 8-10k for a non-motorized bike in 2024 is just absurd.
Extra weight making a bike more composed makes sense. My Orbea Wild feels also more composed as my Ibis Ripmo.
What didnt make sense to me was the lack of protection besides the helmet.
I used to ride motocross (YZ250) and wore full protection on the track. When I switched to MTB, I was very nervous with the minimum protection we wear although the speed is way slower than MX but the jumps are still ..... big. I am riding an Ibis Ripley AF that weighs 34 lbs and I am on the fence about getting an Orbea Wild H10 that weighs 54 lbs, or a Orbea Rise that weighs 44 lbs. My YZ250 MX is way heavier but the darn MTB is so light and fun to throw around on the fast downhill. I am leaning towards the Wild, and my birthday is coming up ....
@@sevenohnine I think the Rise is very similar to your Ripley (and my Ripmo).
I have so far, even here in the very flat netherlands no regrets about my Wild. the thing rides amazing. Yes there is more weight as with the Ripmo, but in a positive way. Can,t wait to take it to the Mountains.
Faster up, faster down, more comfort and control, more fun, awesome workouts. Im sold
Rock on!
you forgot cheaper xD
You want fast? Get a dirtbike, about the same level of workout as an EMTB as well.
@@thegreatseprano9918 cant tell if ur fishing for hate comments or genuinely have no knowledge 😅 if its the latter, then look up the heart rates vs mtb. Be suprised.
The motor takes a large sting out of your legs so less leg workout than normal mtb. Thats main difference
@@thegreatseprano9918 Too much noise, forbidden in a lot of places, unreliable, heavy. Unless you go for an electric dirtbike, Emtb will always be the king of multipurpose 2 wheelers
I've owned the Firebird and several EMTBs. My current EMTB is the new Repeater PT. I think the results here were very predictable based on the bikes and the suspension platform. The Firebird makes a great long travel all mountain bike, but isn't the most composed bike on high speed enduro tracks. This is due to the extremely short chainstay length, and suspension platform. A more purpose built race MTB with longer a longer chainstay (Yeti SB160, RAAW Madonna, Banshee Titan etc.) would have been a better comparison with the Strive. The weight of an EMTB certainly helps, but I'm convinced that the longer chainstays are a big factor in making the EMTBs faster down rough enduro tracks. Note: I really hope Steve reads this comment because it really explains his issues with body positioning on the Firebird. He would have been much more comfortable on a traditional MTB with a longer chainstay.
I believe that a “normal bike” rider will have the opposite results of this. I haven’t ridden a normal mtb for years now & a 10kg lighter bike will negatively effect my dh riding, until i re get use to it. Ps another run with the battery on was needed in this vid;)
Yes. Not using the battery was a big omission.
I really like your content but to be honest: What´s the big thing of being some seconds faster or slower? As you already stated: some one younger, fitter, taller or smaller ... in other words: another person might or might not change the whole story. At least I don´t care. But what I care is how it feels to me. And if you feel better on the EMTB (just like I do) then go for it. If not, go for another solution. We all have a huge range of options to choose from and that´s awesome.
Good job presenting the aspects of the two machines from your perspective. I would definitely like to see the same comparison from the other direction.
Can you do this again with the specialized levo and specialized stumpjumper evo? Almost identical bikes. Motor vs no motor. Emtb weight vs mtb weight
From my experience with pretty much strictly Dh type courses, my e-bikes have been faster than my non powered bikes however i feel like i have to work a bit harder riding my ebike and tossing it around.
Another great issue from Stevie! Yep my eBike weighs 54 lbs....sometime the weight is good some time not ....glad I ride an eBike though I can go anywhere I want and haver fun!
I'd imagine slowing the rebound down on the mtb would level the competition quite dramatically.
I actually find it to be the difference. As someone that switched to emtb I have to say I find the extra weight hard to manage in terms of throwing the bike where I need it. Also line correction seems so much hard on the emtb and brakes don't bite quite as well
Learn the physics of it, heavier bike...maybe brake harder before the corner and powering out rather than steaming through on a reg mtb. Try different things
I think it's a fair comparison extra lower weight will be more stable and faster down a hill in order for it to get a better idea would take many riders of different skips to repeat the runs and as Steve says I'm not sure it would be much different...
Arthur
E-MTB is just faster and as much fun. It’s also more forgiving of a lack of talent (me: no talent vs you: masses of talent). What’s telling in this particular instance in my view is the pricing. Anyway, another genuinely great vid. Love how you’ve worked out how to get beyond the conundrum of funding such high quality production 🎉🎉🎉
I'd say depends on the course, and in particular how tight and built up corners are. From what I saw here, unsurprising that a bike with lower/heavier COG would be faster as it looked like the lines were pretty straight with lots of solid, banked turns.
Funny, I just did a little of this testing myself- completely unscientific. Oso vs Bronson. Seemed about the same. In fact in one short run was exactly the same. That said, I agree with you Steve-,the Oso felt better. The weight really is an advantage in gnarly DH Imo. Will be interesting to see if my findings hold up on some longer DHs.
How does EMBN only have 249k subs... That's the real story here! You guys should have a lot more.
I don't understand why the eMtb was switched off. That doesn't represent how its normally ridden downhill does it?
The test was too see how the weight actually effects the downhill times! This was following rumours that some racers will be riding eMTBs without the battery in the Downhill World Series this year 🤙
Once my Enduro 8 E bike hits 16mph I feel like a normal bike is faster due to less weight and drag.
16?!? That’s much too low.
yes it's way to slow, silly uk law @@Wheelsanstuff
Desrestrict it
With more unsrung mass, as with an emtb, the suspension is more active and and feels more planted, but DH racers have extensively tested adding weights to bikes and it has not proved to consistently decrease times.
Would of been interesting to send Neil down that track as well on the bikes just to compare
Maybe next time start with the emtb then do back to the non-ebike, or two riders each start with a different bike ?
Good video :-).
Why not turn it on and test that as well?
I am surprised by the lack of protection on such fast rocky trails - no knee pads
Steve likes to feel the breeze 💨
@@embn Or gloves. I'd really like to hear Steve comment on this. Love watching him, and everyone on the channel ride.
Those that haven't spent enough time on an EMTB will be sceptical, but I guarantee that you could be like me, and prefer the extra weight of an EBIKE and like how planted it feels once you've got used to that different feeling. Whenever I ride my MTB now, it doesn't feel right and I don't like how jittery it is. I do feel faster on my EMTB, no question.
I have both. The eMTB is fun for sure but the mtb is rewarding. Speed is not everything, if it was I’d be into dirt bikes.
I use regurally both eMTB and Enduro. I can confirm my Altidude Powerply is faster in 80% of the tracks. The Enduro is faster where inertia is a limit, like in very very steep and tight track or where there are a lot of tight switchback and offcamber turn.
I'm much faster on an e-mtb due to the stability and the fact it carries speed so well. That Pivot seems rather pricey for what it is?
What a surprise, the emtb wins on a biased emtb channel, well didn't see that one coming, maybe try holding off on the brakes a bit more next time.
How do you think it would go if you were doing the comparison?
Two weeks ago i won the masters category at our local state DH series with my emtb turned off. Batterry still in. Ep801 motor .
As far as i know its the first class win against dh bikes.
My Patrol e7 had dorads up front at 180mm travel and the chassis has 170mm rear travel..
Not boasting.. just asking if an emtb had won a dh event not in a emtb specific category?
I just realized dorads is probably durado
Love these head to heads, could we have a published list of climbing times for hill 104 for all eBikes?
Try the same concept video on a flow trail that you can definitely ride the same lines and then take the chains off both bikes. We do this once a year and I’m way faster now on the Ebike than I was on my Abike
Breaking news! EMBN says EMTB's are better than MTB's 🤦🏻♂️
Shocker 😱
the price difference of the pivot is utterly ridiculous. there is no way it costs anything like that to build at all. and because it seems normal now to demand stupidly high prices for analogue bikes, they will soon cause themselves to go bust. people will not pay it
My comparison is not fair:
an older Giant Trance (140 - 150 mm, 27,5") versus a newer Merida eOne-Sixty (150 - 160 mm, mullet).
I have no head to head tests, but where I could compare them on the same Strava DH segments the ebike was quite always faster.
OK, it's not a fair comparison, but my impression is that weight wasn't ever against me.
Why not test a regular strike vs strive on? Too many variables in these comparisons
What about feel 'in the air' over some (modest) drops and jumps? Is that perhaps justification for having both bikes in your garage?
Let's just say that Steve isn't the biggest fan of jumps!
Be interested to see how much faster the eBike would have been if it was switched on
As an owner of both, yeah in general the ebike is faster and your legs fatigue less, but on tighter trails filled with small jumps normal bikes are faster. It just takes a huge effort to move heavy ebikes around. I guess a lightweight ebike would be the best allrounder
Before you even started I knew the canyon would be faster, why? weight! it's physics!
Apparently weight can make you faster in a straight line, but when you throw cornering into the mix the difference is really small! Check out GMBNs video on it here 👉 ruclips.net/video/3tnaeJSrqLs/видео.html
A de restricted ebike is mounting biking on a whole new level, if you know you know
Just get a Suron.
@@tonyrobinson1623 why stop there? 500cc two stroke dirt bike. On my local trails eh.
Crazy that Steve just attacks a track like this no pads, not even a pair of gloves 🤯😂
Steve, have you reviewed any of the Pole EMTB’s?
No comment on pedal kick back? Don’t e-bikes have a clutch allowing it to be unaffected by pedal kick back? Similar to a O-chain setup on a downhill bike. If so that would be a huge help for the e-bike.
the clutch is different. you can rotate cranks backwards without chain moving, but not the chainring. o-chain is available for ebikes.
Ya'll need to get the none auto shift Transition Repeater in for review. I have had one for a few months and it is ridiculously good, no one has done a long term review yet and its definitely not going to be me lol.
non vs none
I honestly think that there is such a thing as too light for a mountain bike and an ebike at 24kg is a good weight to be more poised. You don't get bounced around as much
Im a big lad and undoubtedly the mass of an E bike, gets me to the bottom of the hill quicker than an Enduro. I make my own lines 😉
Love you guys but what's the point? No one is riding an E mountain bike down the hill without turning it on. Turn it on then test it that would be interesting. 😊 I do agree heavier bikes are more planted, promote confidence can be ridden faster.
One sample ride on the bikes may not be adequate to draw an impartial conclusion ..... 😢. Please sample more rides on this route on a different day, then repeat the process to take more sample rides on two or three routes at different locations, on multiple days. Then the conclusion can be a bit more realistic? Naturally one would expect the bike with the larger mass to go downhill faster but it would be interesting to add the "human (rider) factor" in this equation. Sorry ... I used to work at NASA 😅😊
Steve had the Pivot for a couple of days, here is Steves first few laps on the Pivot 👉 ruclips.net/video/UnaPHXvRtOA/видео.html
I swear your editor who choses the music has some tunes in their library, this is not the first video i went like "damn that's a good track" and shazammed it
You can also find the track list in the description 🔥
@@embn Thanks! only realized this now, will certainly keep a look out for next videos!
No problem!
no way,steve,as a light rider , i have more fun + feel much faster w light bike[Orbea Rise]. 3 years of riding ugly,pragnant Ebikes was bitter sweet- experience
Zoinks
I can pedal an ebike harder, but they top out @ 26mph and often hit that so stop pedalling, so you actually go slower which is ridiculous.
If I am not mistaken, downhill bikes are also heavier than their Enduro cousins...
It’s just all the more reason to get an emtb. Look, these manufacturers need to reel it the fuck in. Charging 8-10k for a non-motorized bike in 2024 is just absurd. I have an emtb and an efatbike and love them both. They are just more fun. Only bikes I have that are still manual is my gravel and road bike because I like to race and they still are fun without power at 43 years old. But if it’s not smooth gravel or pavement I want an electric for it lol.
Please let's all go ride a bike
So weird how you guys seem to consider mtb's and e-mtb's entirely different things. Like in the last video Steve Jones saying he hasn't ridden a mountain bike in 6 years, then going onto say he's only been riding e mountain bikes. Wtf? Aren't they both mountain bikes? I find it really weird. This is from someone who has never ridden an emtb and ridden normal mountain bikes for 40 years. Thinking about getting one though as I'm getting old.
Yes it´s weird to pretend MTB and EMTB are completely different universes. They are not. They´re just two version of the same thing more or less. But what does getting an EMTB has to do with getting old(er)?
@@michaeloeser What does getting an emtb have to do with getting older? Well, everything hurts and I'm tired lol.
When the trails go from down hill to briefly up and your going back up hill at 20mph the emtb is annoying u lose your flow because of the stupid limiter..... on those tracks. Pedal bike for the win
Very surprised the emtb was that much faster, especially with the motor off.
But the most surprising thing was the price of the pivot. I can JUST ABOUT justify spending that much on an EMTB, but for a bike without a motor and battery and all the electronics? Nah no thank you.
It is their flagship model, so all the best components! Pivot are usually on the more premium side of pricing though 🤙
Imagine if you had the EMTB turned on and there was some flat runs for even a couple seconds throughout. you'd be making time with minimum effort
it isn't spring.. !!
How is this a test you could have got two MTBs and put a ten kilo weight in the triangle of one. If you're comparing an EMTB and a MTB then use them as intended. That is the comparison. Horse and cart v internal combustion engine car. I do enjoy your channel but just say it as it is because that's where most punters exist.
I think the Emtb will always feel better as the ratio between sprung and unsprung weight will be greater , so the suspension will be more compliant.
i dont feel safe on a bike less than 20 kg
No knee pads? Oi oi oi..
After just over two years on my Norco Range VLT, my Specialized Enduro feels loose & twitchy. I am so much faster on my Range and I attribute that to it's weight.
Do you think that's because you're used to a heavier bike now? Do you think it will get better over time?
Get better? What the Enduro or the Range? Basically, my Enduro has nothing over my Range and sits collecting dust, because e-bikes are so dam good. @@embn
Ah sorry, we meant do you think you will get used to the Enduro over time and maybe get faster! But if you're not riding it then that probably won't be the case. eBikes are amazing 🤘 Happy trails!
I think about riding it, I feel I should ride it. I spent good money it. But dam, that ebike is so fricken good. @@embn
My Enduro has nothing over my Norco Range VLT.
.@@embn
Who needs pads! Excellent video but I cringe for your skin and role modeling...😮
Now time three rides in a row, icluding going uphill.
Im sorry but isnt this channel lately making vids just to make vids?
Next week video: is an inflated tire faster than a flat tire?
Great idea, thanks for the suggestion! 👀
@@embn cant wait! “Turns notificationBell on again”
again Pivot bike is definitely too expensive...
14 kilos? Are you sure?
I notice when im coasting the rolling mass on my emtb is faster than my mates on acoustic bikes for definite
When I hear nimble and playful on a 25 kg I want to give the reviewer a ride in a trunk across the whole route 66 and ask him fow how it rides. Horrible