Canadian rockies, rode for years on Maxxis Assegai hard compound, the switch to soft is pretty noticible on really steep stuff, difficult braking, or wet, they are slow as can be though on climb. If you're riding with dudes on fast rolling tires, they pull away easy on climbs now, but downhill confidence is superior, DH\DD sidewalls allow ramping down the pressure a lot without rim strikes (15psi F\20 R 210lb rider). Its really hard to go back to anything less then MaxGrip on the front. I"d be curious to see just having a hard rear, if that is a higher percentage of rolling on a climb (weighted rear) also those tubeless valve stems (peatys I think?) seem to take air very slowly compared to other brands, we curse them often for adjusting pressure on the fat bike\summer bike, even cleaned out they seem to have a restriction to air flow.
I use the trail Mazza on the front of my full suspension bike. I currently have a Maxxis Recon on the rear, but I am looking to change out that tire and keep the Mazza on the front.
I am currently running magic mary soft in the front and nobby nic soft in the rear. When my rear needs replacing i am going to try the harder compound with the nobby nic on the rear to see how different it is. I rarely ride wet trails. I got the soft versions for a bike trip and they performed great. The rear gets a lot of wear and the harder compound should extend the life
Schwallbe Gravity in Soft compound front and rear. I noticed my rear wearing quite a bit but my front looks brand new. I think I'm going to go to ultra soft up front
No chance that gopro shot any usable footage mounted like that haha.. Neil - did you have to go up to re-shoot the POVs? :) Nevertheless - great video. Would you say that tire compound has more effect on drag than tread pattern?
#askgmbntech. What tires would I use. I work near my local trails and don't have a vehicle. So I commute to and from work and to the trails (north shore)on my enduro bike, and I able to hit the trails after work. I find I am wearing through my rear tires fairly quickly, and I was wondering what would be a good tire that won't wear really fast riding on roads but still have a good tread for trails. Or is this a unicorn hunt and I am stuck buying new rear tire every few months.
hey, edit your question to have #askgmbntech as a one word, otherwise they won't see it (most likely). in your situation i'd get a harder compound tire, unless you are very good aggressive rider and use the effect of Soft compound.
Maybe too much can be made about ultimate grip. Probably there are some tires on the market that can be blamed for lots of spills, skids, crashes because of a lack of decent compound, but those are probably the minority of the market from reputable tire brands. I'd stick to "enough grip" with an emphasis on less rolling resistance without the high risk of punctures (due to thinness, lightness, lack of tread depth).
Just to mirror what others have said, a softer front is more important than a soft rear compound. Loosing the rear grip is scetchy but loosing the front end is when you fall off in my novice level opinion
@@gmbntech If I were entering a race I might consider it, but for normal riding I would expect to get a minimum of a couple of years out of each tire, especially as a Maxxis DHRII 27.5 x 2.8 costs at least £50 for a single tire.
How can this video be taken, a Vittoria commercial? How can anyone doing whatever research and wanting to find out what works best, compare it with only one brand name? Not that I care about not naming a few names, but comparing only with itself. Vittoria is not that good, and certainly not good enough to compare them only with their own tires. Simple as that. And because I don't like commercials, have it your way, but this is one shitty video upload to begin with. Certainly not the best of GMBN.
You can't compare different brands of tires if you're just looking to compare the compound / softness, due to the heavy influence of the thread pattern on rolling resistance. You'd have to make several "pairs" of the same tire with different compounds if you wanted to compare across multiple brands, so e.g. Magic Mary vs. itself, Kryptotal vs itself, and so on. Certainly not impossible, but much more effort. That being said, unfortunately they didn't include the sensible option of soft front / medium rear in this video, so it's not that helpful anyway.
I'm glad I am a scientist here. But no I would not do this research the way you described. All top brands have a series of compounds, in fact, constantly changing them, trying to perfect them. Which are overall soft, medium and harder tires, and in those categories they play with knobbing and relief, and so onward, also side thickness and yes or no puncture guarding on those parts of tires that are in contact. And because of those various compounds, I would sure be able to put them on a row, and compare them. The compounds used by the various brands, is exactly the question asked, it doesn't say which compound of Vittoria, is best to choose for which circumstances. It says which of the compound tyres is the fastest. Well all tops brands that do their own research, also have their own compounds, which is the very secret they protect even... So no I don't see at all where your coming from, I do get your suggestion, and sure if you got a favourite brand, than following instructions on what compound to use would be handy. Grip vs Speed. Why else have various brands anyway??? Seriously. This discussion is too dumb to mention. This is a commercial. For me as a consumer I think of what circumstances I ride in, what brands are available in those categories, and what the specific formulas they came up with to use with my consumer circumstances, and than I choose a tyre. And when I need a soft tire, with knobbing for a softer soil, and a medium side wall, than I want to see those compared, and all of the top brands, have specific tyres for specific circumstances. Even for mixed circumstances and road quality. And such can certainly be compared, over the brand names itself. Which is exactly what their title says, while they focus only on one brand. And that is my issue, and will be the issue, when you would search for the right tyre or best tyre for a specific ride or specific mixed circumstance. I can get it that when a rider is sponsored by some brand this simple test they do and tips they hand out works. But we are all mainly consumers here with brand names to choose from, and specific needs for our circumstances. Comparing their compounds, is the issue, and the question at hand. Researching it like this, makes it a selective investigation and research. Which means it holds nothing to it, unless you work with Vittoria. So sorry yet thank you for your comment. But no I call this a pretty useless video. Unless you use Vittoria tyres only. I even, sanely, dare it to be a click bait video. Since it suggest a totally different thing in the title, than shown in the video. And for all research done, it doesn't render completely useless, when you use Vittoria. Is all I am bashing my head over. I would surely suggest to watch this one, while watching all other tyre comparing video's and than make up your mind again. Because those can compare brands, so why not here another independent test, rather than a depending test result? Seriously. I think you get me by now. Have a great next ride! :D@@sp00n
What tyre compound do you use? Are you still using the tyres the bike came with? Let us know in the comments! 👇
It depends but non of them are Vittoria, simply because to me it is one of the shitty brands I don't want to use again.
More useful content like this please 👍. Changing tryes in the car park at -5 👊
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Soft front, hard rear.
So many jokes to be made
Canadian rockies, rode for years on Maxxis Assegai hard compound, the switch to soft is pretty noticible on really steep stuff, difficult braking, or wet, they are slow as can be though on climb. If you're riding with dudes on fast rolling tires, they pull away easy on climbs now, but downhill confidence is superior, DH\DD sidewalls allow ramping down the pressure a lot without rim strikes (15psi F\20 R 210lb rider). Its really hard to go back to anything less then MaxGrip on the front. I"d be curious to see just having a hard rear, if that is a higher percentage of rolling on a climb (weighted rear) also those tubeless valve stems (peatys I think?) seem to take air very slowly compared to other brands, we curse them often for adjusting pressure on the fat bike\summer bike, even cleaned out they seem to have a restriction to air flow.
I use the trail Mazza on the front of my full suspension bike. I currently have a Maxxis Recon on the rear, but I am looking to change out that tire and keep the Mazza on the front.
What tire pressures were you running?
I ride the Mazza Trail on the Front and Enduro on the back, works just fine.
I am currently running magic mary soft in the front and nobby nic soft in the rear. When my rear needs replacing i am going to try the harder compound with the nobby nic on the rear to see how different it is.
I rarely ride wet trails. I got the soft versions for a bike trip and they performed great. The rear gets a lot of wear and the harder compound should extend the life
Sticky on the front and hard on the rear. ; )
Schwallbe Gravity in Soft compound front and rear. I noticed my rear wearing quite a bit but my front looks brand new. I think I'm going to go to ultra soft up front
No chance that gopro shot any usable footage mounted like that haha.. Neil - did you have to go up to re-shoot the POVs? :) Nevertheless - great video. Would you say that tire compound has more effect on drag than tread pattern?
That is a very good question which I'd like to be answered/tested :)
I'd like to hear your opinion about things like this when you don't know which tires/compounds you are running. Same with shocks, forks, etc.
Neil has done a bit of blind testing in the past, it might be interesting to see the result! 🤔
I guess I’d like to hear you opinion, on relying on the results of a sampling of one, non-blind test? 🤔
I ride Maxxis, so …
Dry: Front MaxxGrip, Rear MaxxTerra
Wet: Front & Rear SuperTacky
#askgmbntech. What tires would I use. I work near my local trails and don't have a vehicle. So I commute to and from work and to the trails (north shore)on my enduro bike, and I able to hit the trails after work.
I find I am wearing through my rear tires fairly quickly, and I was wondering what would be a good tire that won't wear really fast riding on roads but still have a good tread for trails. Or is this a unicorn hunt and I am stuck buying new rear tire every few months.
hey, edit your question to have #askgmbntech as a one word, otherwise they won't see it (most likely). in your situation i'd get a harder compound tire, unless you are very good aggressive rider and use the effect of Soft compound.
Lots of work to make this one 🍻
Maybe too much can be made about ultimate grip. Probably there are some tires on the market that can be blamed for lots of spills, skids, crashes because of a lack of decent compound, but those are probably the minority of the market from reputable tire brands.
I'd stick to "enough grip" with an emphasis on less rolling resistance without the high risk of punctures (due to thinness, lightness, lack of tread depth).
Conti Mountain King for low rolling resistance cause I also have to pedal up with no motor 😅
Yeah, the reasonable combination would've been soft(est) in front and medium in the rear. Time for that video I guess.
Try same test again BUT take 4 days off (recovered) and use the race tire first
I like a sticky front and a loose rear 😂.
For me durability is the key. I simply haven’t got money to be replacing my boots every five minutes.
Just to mirror what others have said, a softer front is more important than a soft rear compound. Loosing the rear grip is scetchy but loosing the front end is when you fall off in my novice level opinion
Tires are too expensive to be running soft compounds... but by the looks of it they wouldn't suit most of my riding anyway 😅
Soft compounds are great if you are doing any type of racing, even amateur. It's all about marginal gains 🤙
@@gmbntech If I were entering a race I might consider it, but for normal riding I would expect to get a minimum of a couple of years out of each tire, especially as a Maxxis DHRII 27.5 x 2.8 costs at least £50 for a single tire.
Seriously, soft tire/CF rim ft. and hard tire/alloy rim rear. Think about it.
30th orbea video for the year
So?
tack tack tackity tack
Easy for you to say!
tacky!@@gmbntech
At my skill level it makes no difference
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How can this video be taken, a Vittoria commercial? How can anyone doing whatever research and wanting to find out what works best, compare it with only one brand name? Not that I care about not naming a few names, but comparing only with itself. Vittoria is not that good, and certainly not good enough to compare them only with their own tires. Simple as that. And because I don't like commercials, have it your way, but this is one shitty video upload to begin with. Certainly not the best of GMBN.
You can't compare different brands of tires if you're just looking to compare the compound / softness, due to the heavy influence of the thread pattern on rolling resistance.
You'd have to make several "pairs" of the same tire with different compounds if you wanted to compare across multiple brands, so e.g. Magic Mary vs. itself, Kryptotal vs itself, and so on. Certainly not impossible, but much more effort.
That being said, unfortunately they didn't include the sensible option of soft front / medium rear in this video, so it's not that helpful anyway.
I'm glad I am a scientist here. But no I would not do this research the way you described. All top brands have a series of compounds, in fact, constantly changing them, trying to perfect them. Which are overall soft, medium and harder tires, and in those categories they play with knobbing and relief, and so onward, also side thickness and yes or no puncture guarding on those parts of tires that are in contact. And because of those various compounds, I would sure be able to put them on a row, and compare them. The compounds used by the various brands, is exactly the question asked, it doesn't say which compound of Vittoria, is best to choose for which circumstances. It says which of the compound tyres is the fastest. Well all tops brands that do their own research, also have their own compounds, which is the very secret they protect even... So no I don't see at all where your coming from, I do get your suggestion, and sure if you got a favourite brand, than following instructions on what compound to use would be handy. Grip vs Speed. Why else have various brands anyway??? Seriously. This discussion is too dumb to mention. This is a commercial. For me as a consumer I think of what circumstances I ride in, what brands are available in those categories, and what the specific formulas they came up with to use with my consumer circumstances, and than I choose a tyre. And when I need a soft tire, with knobbing for a softer soil, and a medium side wall, than I want to see those compared, and all of the top brands, have specific tyres for specific circumstances. Even for mixed circumstances and road quality. And such can certainly be compared, over the brand names itself. Which is exactly what their title says, while they focus only on one brand. And that is my issue, and will be the issue, when you would search for the right tyre or best tyre for a specific ride or specific mixed circumstance. I can get it that when a rider is sponsored by some brand this simple test they do and tips they hand out works. But we are all mainly consumers here with brand names to choose from, and specific needs for our circumstances. Comparing their compounds, is the issue, and the question at hand. Researching it like this, makes it a selective investigation and research. Which means it holds nothing to it, unless you work with Vittoria. So sorry yet thank you for your comment. But no I call this a pretty useless video. Unless you use Vittoria tyres only. I even, sanely, dare it to be a click bait video. Since it suggest a totally different thing in the title, than shown in the video. And for all research done, it doesn't render completely useless, when you use Vittoria. Is all I am bashing my head over. I would surely suggest to watch this one, while watching all other tyre comparing video's and than make up your mind again. Because those can compare brands, so why not here another independent test, rather than a depending test result? Seriously. I think you get me by now. Have a great next ride! :D@@sp00n