Considering a Used Porsche Taycan? Here's What to Expect.
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 6 апр 2024
- Since late 2019 up until Q1 2024 Porsche has sold ca. 147,000 Taycans worldwide. After the initial success, a number of technical issues caught up with the Taycan and annoyed customers. The Taycan is very expensive as new and this combined with the aggressive pricing by other EV manufacturers as well as the fact that Porsche pushed large Taycan volumes into the market has caused the prices of used Taycans to drop to a level which is unusual for Porsches.
This Taycan 4S is my third Taycan. I bought it used with just 14,000 km in mint condition. In this video I will explain in some more detail the key technical issues and recalls and what caused the used car prices to drop so much.
But the Taycan is still a great car and most of the issues have been resolved, however, many are still hesitant to buy one because of fears of expensive repairs.
This video is the first of several Taycan videos to come over the next weeks and months.
Thank you for watching Mobility Insider.
Filmed in Switzerland in March, 2024 and produced by DNTS Productions. 
Авто/Мото
First time I am seeing a video from you. Very well done. I bought my Taycan new and have only had a squeak in the suspension that was taken care of but I think it’s good to mention these things to be fair to a prospective audience. It’s an awesome car and I hope you enjoy yours.
Thank you for watching! Your comment is highly appreciated. Do have a look at some of my other videos! Yes, I enjoy my Taycan. I have two other Porsche 911s and try to keep them all running...
Congrats, looks much better with your upgrades 😍
Great video! Now with the new Taycan just announced, the 2nd hand prices will drop even more.. so your video is really at the right moment. Danke from Germany. Lookin forward to more Taycan content!
Thank you for watching! That is very likely. The Taycan is just like any other everyday car - unlike the 911 which holds the value much better. I'd expect the used Taycans to lose ca. 10% (linear) per year from the new base in April 2024.
68k € for new units now in Germany. A bargain
@@RafitoMembroza Incredible value, even if it is with the small battery.
@@morten_hannesbo Yes. I am looking at reviews at the moment because they are so tempting! I am just a bit afraid that the range of 444 WLTP km is too small. This may be a real range of 333 km so in a trip it means that you need to stop to charge every 300 km... Performance Plus battery adds a range of 50 km, which is essential
@@RafitoMembroza Consider the fact that the Taycan charges ultra fast. If you use the navi system's preparation and preheat function, charging 10-80% takes just 18 mins at a 300 kW DC charger. Stopping every 2 1/2 - 3 hrs for 20 mins is no issue then.
Thanks for the tips, very helpful 👍
Really underrated channel! Subscribed! 🎉
🙏Thank you for your kind words.
Great content and thanks for the advice as i’m totally new to EV but have been a porsche car fan for years. It’s the 4S that appeals to me and yours is a lovely looking example ❤
🙏Thx for watching
Brilliant. Thank you.
Thx for watching!
Very insightful video. I am waiting for the 2025’s (facelift) to hit the streets in anticipation of a further decline in prices for the used market. Do you think there is much difference between a 2020 4S vs a 2021 or even 2023 4S? Seems like there weren’t many changes year to year. The same options seem to be available for all years.
Thank you for watching! I think the 2020 model year should be avoided. The 2021 model year and newer have less issues. I expect the prices of used Taycans to keep dropping, but the decline in prices will rather be in line with the rest of the market, say a 10% linear drop per year from the new base per April 2024. The Taycans are unlikely to enjoy the usual Porsche price stability for a long time to come, in fact I do not think the Taycan in its current form and shape will become an attractive "old" used car as the 911 normally is. The Taycan should rather be seen as a normal everyday car similar to the Cayennes and Panameras.
I think the expectation that depreciation rates for all EVs (not just Porsches!) will fall into line with the broader ICE market over the next several years is probably optimistic, given how rapidly the technology is developing.
I would not advise anyone to buy an EV if they expect to resell it and not take a hosing relative to what they'd get back on a comparably priced ICE car.
Thanks for the balanced review. Think you made nice upgrades. Myself would do gun metal to the wheels.
Still saving up for a second hand one.
Wonderful video and very helpful! One question though, why the race Tex interior? Is it better than leather or just personal preference?
Hi, thx for watching. I always had Porsches with leather but wanted a different trim this time. The race Tex is actually more comfortable, warms up really fast and holds the driver firm in bends. Is highly recommendable.
Great video! I'm a new subscriber
Thank you for watching!
Thanks for the advice. I’m considering a used Taycan too. How did you black out the chrome? Was it replaced or wrapped? What style wheels are on your car?
Hi, thx for watching. The wheels are 21" Taycan Exclusive Design Wheels, originally painted in the same colour as the car. The chrome was blacked out using wrapping. I had it done by a local specialist.
Hi I enjoyed your video. Great pointers and I followed each one of those before I bought my 2022 Taycan . I love this car it only had 10,500 miles on it. Still has two year warranty
Thank you, and congrats on your choice!
Great video, thanks. Beautiful car, as well. When servicing the wheels, you always know someone that doesn’t work for Porsche, because the center caps don’t point to the valve stem. :)
That is German perfectionism!
Thanks for the video. I am also looking for a used Taycan while I am still driving (and liking) my Tesla MY Performance. But over 50% off the list price for a used Taycan in great condition is interesting value for money to me. I hope I will find a good deal within the next weeks and months...
Glad it was helpful!
Hello Morten. Greetings from Switzerland and thank you for very very precious info and a great video. I am in the market for a used Taycan. Curious: what do you think of the turbo / turbo S. Somehow they seem to be less popular than the 4S. Why?
Hi, thx for watching and thank you for your question. My take on this, having owned a turbo and a turbo s cross turismo earlier; the turbos are very well equipped and relatively expensive to buy and run with heavy tyre wear and high insurance costs, and some of them have been used quite hard. I decided to buy a 4S which is a good value/price proposition, and you find good, well maintained specimens out there. My 4S accellerates 0-100 in 3.55sec, fast enough for me. The turbo s I had was just too fast for my daily driving.
@@morten_hannesbo Thank you Morten. The market is crazy at the moment, and I am quite tempted by a low km fully equipped 2020 turbo for 93 K including 3 years of Porsche Warranty and ... new tyres. Does that sound reasonable? What issues in the 2020 model year are you concerned about?
@@N807DS The first units had various bugs but they should have been fixed by now. I would, however, look for a 2021 MY or younger. Prices of turbo s are coming down, too. Do not pay more than 80-82'000 CHF for a 2021.
First time viewing your channel; good video. So what was the ultimate driving force for buying this 4S? What is the low price, the build or simply that you missed the Porsche EV ?
It was an impulse after having seen how much the Taycans had dropped in price. I looked around and found this low mileage 4S and decided to buy it on the spot, subject to Porsche Service checks. The car looks like new and drives really well. Over the winter I drive my Range Rover but for the summer I like to drive a more sporty vehicle. Having had two Taycan turbos previously, I knew exactly what to look for. The 4S brings it all together at a reasonable price.
Thanks for the video. I am driving the same model for about 2 years and it is absolutely fantastic, comfortable, sporty and a great autobahn vehicle. I head two recalls: the heater and the onboard charger, both covered with the guarantee. The only problem is the price drop for people like me that bought a new one.
Thx👍
Does this mean people are upside down on their cars? So if you sell you'd end up owing the bank more money?
@@lafayettejones7458 Well, yes, that is very much possible. This being said, luxury goods should not be aggressively financed by a third party, if one buys such a car, one should have a healthy share of equity.
Beautiful
... and great to drive, too! Thank you for watching!
Please tell us something about the recharge curve, and where do you recharge it and the annual ownership costs.
Sure, will do in Video 3 in May
Great video
Thank you🙏
Just got my hands on a 2021 4S! Absolutely incredible
Enjoy!
Beautiful car, and now with a nice price. My problem with this vehicle, and something you haven’t mentioned is the maintenance. Dealers are charging a fortune for maintenance and to fix the things you have highlighted. The whole point of EVs is cheap maintenance and this is something that is not happening with some legacy ev manufacturers.
I have not had any bad experiences so far as all problems were fixed under the manufacturer's Warranty, but Porsches were never cheap to maintain.
gotta go certified preowwned with these.
What maintenance? You only have to maintain the brakes and tyres on an EV like this, and it's easy to do that yourself or go to a local garage
@@xen.7140 I wish....but brakes, air suspension, gearbox, battery cooling liquid etc etc plus Porsche pricing makes it an expensive acquaintance.
@@morten_hannesbo I've had mine for 4 years and have yet to deal with any of these.
3 things are most important 1. Battery 2. Battery 3. Battery!
Correct is 1. Battery 2.batteries 3.batteries 😂
Very nice video, very informative thank you! Do most of the points you raise for the 4s also apply to the E-tron GT Quattro ? Would be interesting to know if Audi managed to have less issues with their version of the car.
Yes, same issues more or less. And same hefty depreciation. Both cars are wonderful despite the tech issues
Currently also looking and researching to buy 2x.
Would be for the Cross 4s and possibly even the Turbo.
Any other important things to consider?
Thanks for this video!
Greetings from the Netherlands.
Hi, I would look for a low mileage Model Year 2022 or 2023. Personally I prefer the limousine over the turismo and 4x4 over RWD, but I live in CH and have a Range Rover for times when I need space.
I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on the new Taycan and whether it stands to go down in price as rapidly as this older version, or not. If issues have been fixed, it might retain its value - yes?
Will think about it and let you know my thoughts
Thank you for watching. I had a quick look at the new pricing structure of the 2024 Taycan (facelift). After correcting for more equipment and the bigger battery the pricing is pretty much carryover. I assume that Porsche have kept prices high to support the used car prices of the pre-facelifted model and that they will produce less Taycans (let us say on average 30,000 units per annum). While it is always difficult to predict future residuals I would not be surprised if we'd see similar price drops for the new model, i.e. -50% after three years. Let us not forget that a new Tesla Model S costs just half of a new Porsche Taycan. I recommend you get a lease offer and see what residuals the leasing company have calculated for the new Taycan and look at the total cost over 36 months incl the up front payment.
My car has almost same issues, heating stopped working, battery issue, and more than that, the seat was giving squeaking noises, car was fixed under warranty
👍
Problem is the insurance cost
As you say, essential for 2nd hand buyers to be covered by an extended warranty. But what price a warranty for a 5 to 10 year old Taycan? Is it possible that today's 2nd hand car values could be further undermined when they are uneconomic for warranty cover?
Thx for watching. At present Porsche offers optional warranty up to 15 years at approx 1600EUR per annum, but with KM restrictions on the battery. This may change based on Porsche's learnings over time. If Porsche is serious about selling Taycan and Macan EVs they need to significantly improve their EV warranty policy.
roughly how many hours/dealer visits did all of those warranty repairs require?
I only had one day where the car had to be taken to the dealer outside of the normal service work - it was to replace the cabin heater. To my knowledge all other work was made when the car was in service anyway. But do notice that my car has not had a new battery - many of those owners affected by a traction battery change had some poor service experience and long repair time - even weeks or months.
What’s the recommendation between Taycan and Eqs or even s class?
Thank you for watching! I tested the EQS SUV (see my video: 1000km Full Review of the Mercedes EQS SUV - 10,000 VIEWS!
ruclips.net/video/7-FVu4awAv0/видео.html ). The EQS is like a spacious family car, the Taycan is a sports car. Both have taken huge price hits and are now available after low prices used.
Very interesting thanks. I was considering a 2022 Taycan Cross Tourismo 4S which has lost 52% in 2 years whereas my 2020 Cayenne S has only lost 48% in 4 years. But seeing the improvements in the new model (range, power and charging times) I think I will wait a bit longer.
yeah w8 for one year and 2022 models will lose another 20-30%, most porsche owners always want newest models
@@datogadelia I think I will hang on to my Cayenne S for another 2-3 years. It's only done 40,000km and drives like new. I just did a 2000km road trip in it and I was amazed at the comfort (11 hours in the seat on one day and got out without any pain) and the economy for such a performance engine (28.8mpg over the 2000km)
Just in time! Thinking about turbo s taycan used. Have a deal floating for $68k 12k miles
That sound reasonable. Warranty still valid?
@@morten_hannesbo I also saw many Taycans beiing sold at that price, so i belive mr @buddydadd is making a good business. My first thought was also the warranty validation. I live in Hamburg and here you have some Taycans on sale, at this price. Thanks for this good video mr. @morten_hannesbo . Danke.
How did you do the chrome delete? Were they painted or wrapped?
I had them wrapped by a specialist.
@@morten_hannesbo thanks
I’ve got a KIA EV6 GT (Amazing car) but I’m very tempted by a Taycan Turbo with the prices they’re selling for.
Nice car.
I consider to do the same next year.
The front door looks painted
They are not painted, just light effects
Being from Miami, my concern is the air conditioning system. Have you heard anything about problems? Is the heating system part of the air conditioning system?
The aircon seems flawless, only the heater caused problems
I bought a used 2022 Taycan RWD about a year ago and I noticed the heater wasn’t working at all. Thank goodness Atlanta had a mild winter. I’ll be taking the car in for servicing next week….
Most cars have needed a new heater. Not a big deal to fix it. I had one day of freezing cold weather w/o heating, driving for 30 mins...., brrrrr!
I’m going to have my heater replaced this summer!! Knock on wood my heater is still working though
Do you think there is an advantage to import a used Taycan from Germany or Netherlands to save money to Switzerland?
My personal decision would be to buy a car in the country where I live and use the car. If I would live in the EU, buying a car from another EU country could be an option but in case of any problem you are stuck because of the physical distance, language and different legal frameworks. Anyways, thank you for watching.
Thanks for videos. What do you think about buying through a Porsche dealer with Porsche Approved, worth it according to your experience? 😊
I never needed the Porsche Approved Warranty but I am sure it is the best warranty product for a Taycan. Pricey, yes, but Porsche's warranty reputation is good.
Ok thanks for your feed-back 😉
Looks amazing, especially with the black wheels ! Maybe the original MSRP was "market value", just like the model S plaid when introduced, but being EV's, it may not be a brand-thing, rather an EV-thing, where all EV's are (now) experiencing huge-depreciation
That's a hell of a lot of repairs for a 3 year old car! Good job the warranty hadn't expired.
😔
I bought an RS4 instead and we have a family Tesla for cheap miles. They need to find a better way to show battery health in the used market.
Thank you for watching! The RS4 is great! Agree with your comment about the battery health.
any regrets on not having the Sports / Cross Turismo?
No regrets at all. I had a Cross Turismo turbo s in 2021/2022 and there is not a lot more space in the trunk anyway. Besides, I like the design of the 4-door better.
Thanks for the video, very useful. Porsche reliability is a myth and it seems to have extended to the Taycan's. Great looking car, though!
There’s no videos of owners in the USA. Why is that? I’m a car guy and i am looking for a daily driver and I will be leasing super cars. This was one of the cars I was looking at for a daily but man it’s sad to see no one here has reviews for it
Have at look at ruclips.net/video/XijTWhlVr0g/видео.htmlsi=V04w1s3ICu-4rLpX. Kyle does some great reviews of the Taycan.
The remote acces also means that in the future they can decide when and how far you drive. See WEF 15 MINUTE CITIES.
I never knew there were so many problems with this car. I guess it just shows their inexperience in full ev. Do the more recent models leave the factory with all those issues fixed? I’m liking the gen1 looks over gen2.
I am sure there will be other problems with Gen2, but do not let that put you off. The Taycan is great and Porsche will fix the problems if any. Only thing to moan about is the high price tag.
I’ve heard the tire life for electric cars is pretty dismal compared to ICE vehicles, maybe around 12k-20k miles depending driving habits. How has your experience been?
Hi, thx for watching! Yes, the tyres wear faster than for ICE cars. It is a function of vehicle weight and torque. The Taycan 4S needs new tyres after 12-15000 miles. A standard range Tesla M3/Y with rear-wheel drive will not need new tyres until 25-30000 miles.
I've just sold a GT3 and looking for something exciting juts more usable. A Turbo S Taycan seems like the beat option for me, but ongoing depecation is scary. They seem like amazing value at £85k (£165k new), but can it really drop to £40k in a few years?
Oh, no, you sold your GT3 !
A Taycan turbo s is great, but make sure the price is right and the factory warranty is valid. £85'000 may even be a little too high for a 2 1/2 year old car...
Anyways, I expect the Taycans to keep dropping in price with approx 10% per year (linearly) from the new level, i.e. if you buy one for £75'000 and drive it 10000 miles/year, expect it to lose approx. £7500 per year over the next 5 years, i.e. from £75000 to £37500, and still with a minor and very unlikely risk of a battery repair or replacement (the battery is warranted for 8 years to a max. of 100000 miles).
@@morten_hannesbo yeah it's a shame to sell it, but I couldn't use it as much as I would like.
It's a Taycan Turbo S Cross Turismo that I'm after, it think £85k is about right for very low miles, but then I'm a novice...
@@tomvcarter Good luck with the search for a Taycan! I still have a 2018 GT2 RS for the sunny days....
@@tomvcarter I had a wonderful Cross Turismo turbo s, black with grey interior. Great car but the trunk space is disappointing.
Never sell a gt3! Put 18 ways in it and daily it the rest of your extiting live with the best soundtrack ever FGS!
there is a crazy stock of Taycan in Germany, check out mobile with over 2000 nearly new Taycan. In germany it was taken as company car as you do not have to pay the 1% tax. Company cars are only driven for 1 or 2 years in Germany, thats the reason for the huge amount. In Germany Porsche keeps the prices high and stock piles thousands of Taycan, in the US the Porsche dealer do not buy Taycan anymore because their stocks are full of Taycans. Prices are eaven much cheaper in US and UK, you get a very good one for 40 000 there. Prices in Switzerland and Germany are still way to high but will come down soon.
Agree!
Europe cars are way overpriced. UK we are lucky
Did you read out the battery degradation of your Taycan before you bought it? I've seen that the Porsche Centers don't provide any information on this either. Would it not be important to have information on this for an EV that you buy used?
Would you buy from privat because cheaper and then book the warranty extension from Porsche or directly at the Porsche Center? Buying a used one from a Porsche Center would be the safest way to go I would think, but then at a rather higher purchase price.
I asked the Porsche Dealer for a read out of the battery and he said they cannot do it (what seems strange as I am sure they can). Porsche is very cautious on this subject because of the traction battery issues which I also mentioned in the video. As long as the car is under warranty it is less of an issue, but I know that there are specialists who can do a read out. In terms of buying from private sellers - I think this is fine, just have the VIN No checked before you buy and pay and do make sure that the car is still under warranty because then you can buy the extension from Porsche.
I used to check all data like battery health through the OBD2 port. I noticed that the front wheel motor are poorly used while driving.
That’s just too much money to spend on a car that’s not reliable. Then, if even if something breaks down, it costs more than an arm and a leg to replace…if you can find parts.
I’m a car enthusiast and like to fix things myself, so there is some level of practicality built in too. Sometimes I just look at cars like this that have multiple problems within the first few years of ownership and think, “wtf, who would spend this type of money on bad engineering?!”
Don’t get me wrong. The car - when running, is a fantastic driving experience…but when my Honda hasn’t needed any service beyond the basics for more than a decade…I start to wonder if it’s all worth it.
I love the Taycan and have always considered gettint one, but it has serious problems that they've done a good job keeping on the down low. Make sure you have a certified pre-owned warranty!
After four years Porsche has step by step fixed the issues. Today it is still the best handling electric car out there
Worth mentioning that in Switzerland, for Luxury brands (Audi, Merc, BMW, have not looked into Porsche but I imagine the same) the list price is anywhere from 10k-30k Euros/Francs more than some other European countries (Germany for one). If you add options, those are more expensive as well. Quite easy to do, with the wealth in this country and also since most people lease, they only care about the monthlies. I can afford the monthly so I'll buy it, nevermind that the dealer is taking me for a ride and making a killing is a common approach, even more so here.
When used, said cars usually fall very much to european level pricing, making it appear that they suffered heavier depreciation, when in fact the prices were inflated to begin with. Even more so with BEVs. Just because Porsche thinks it's worth 170k, doesn't mean it is. Is it better than an M8? Yeah, nah.
So nice car.
Agree, a bargain for the prices they are available.
Wow, other EV companies have great warranty!
Very true!
Probably facelift and MacanE will even kill used Taycan prices.
Possibly it will have an effect, but I think Porsche's strategy for the new Taycan will have more effect on used Taycan prices. Thank you for watching!
Is it s reliable car long term?
Remains to be seen, mostly Porsches are
Great video and presenting. One thing to add: check radiator cooling fans. Those are located in front of front wheels inside the fenders. Front wheels shoot up rocks, sand etc directly to the fans and first you get loud crinding noise and the ultimately they get stuck and stop working. It's just a bad design by Porsche. Battery is cooled via these fans and if they don't work, you can't DC charge the car at full, or even reasonable power as the battery overheats.
Thank you🙏
Car range? How good it is?
Thx for watching. I will make a video incl charge test in May - but for your info: Mixed driving in spring temp: 375 km. Highway driving spring: 340 km. Highway driving winter: 300 km. Driving max 100 km in range mode in spring temp: 410 km.
Grüezi - danke fürs Video - viel Spass no mit em Porsche
🙏
EV buying tip - Low mileage does not mean much for an EV. Both batteries and electric motors can handle lots of driving without issues....
Sure, but the seats and the interior is much more fresh after 15000 km vs 150000 km😊
the new generation is so much better in key areas so that it makes little sense to buy the 1st gen, even with a big price drop.
Possibly, yes, but the price difference is so big that I'd certainly think more than twice before buying a new Taycan 2024 at list price.
I‘d say let’s wait to let them show their real-world-result revision as well as their „improved“ issues.
somehow... when you look at all the problems, it doesn't seem like it's built by porsche
The many problems are embarrasing, but do not only apply to Porsche. VW, Ford, Audi, Mercedes and BMW and many more, even Toyota bZ4X have their gremlins.
@@morten_hannesbo as do many ICE cars..people seem to have forgotten Marc head bolts BMW Vanos etc etc etc
That warranty is abysmal, that priced car should have a better warranty or you're just losing out on money if anything happens. Was seriously considering it until i saw that poor warranty numbers
In Switzerland we get 4 years factory warranty as standard, thereafter you need to pay for it on an annual basis, the price being ca. 1600 CHF/Euro.
@@morten_hannesbo I want a taycan used but might just get a polestar 4 instead unless the model s gets a new design
I had a Polestar 2 for two weeks and would never go back to polestar again. Actually waiting for the new Taycan (2025) or a new facelift of the Model S.
Porsche went moronic with service prices. Here is Finland, It is hard to get insurance for this car because battery replacement from Porsche cost over 80 000€ and battery gets damaged easily.
Same time battery replacement from Tesla cost 24 000€. Wtf Porsche
😳
And that’s why people have been waited on the next gen refresh just out. So many fixes for such an expensive Car. Wouldn’t touch a first Gen.
Most problems with Gen 1 Taycan have been solved. Will see if Gen 2 is perfect.
People still don't get it. ALL EVs will have resell issues, ALL. You can't fight the technical innovation that will always date high-technology products with Screens, computers & batteries. So while you're surprised about the declining price for "EV Porsche" , everyone else that knows this, isn't surprised.
Yes, sure, but maybe a surprise to you that there is little difference between the residual value of a new 2025 911 and a new 2025 Taycan. After 4 years Porsche Financial quotes a residual value of 38% for the 911 and 35% for a Taycan.
buying a used car, perhaps out of warranty you absolutely need to consider the battery replacement cost. You have a Taycan great, what is your loan amount, now if your battery dies, how much is that? 30k? My Model S 100D is about 22k. How will you pay for that? Now you have a loan for a car and you have to pay for a new battery.
This is not a Tesla. On German EVs you can repair the battery by replacing modules. Also never heard of a case of a dead EV battery before.
@@hkad6252 I was just using my Tesla as an example. Battery's in EVs get replaced. Its inevitable. I'm guessing you don't own one or really follow the industry. That's fine.
It is still expensive. It’s not like it went from 100k to 30k.
It is a Porsche😊
@@morten_hannesbo is it like BMW, bring my wallet sorta deal :D
@@MrMannyhw 😄😅
I have a 997 GTS and love it, would not have this electric shit on my drive if I was given one for nowt !
We would to see more videos. What about Lexus 😉🙏
Thx for watching. I mainly test BEVs - and Lexus does not really have a competitive BEV product yet, but will keep an eye on Lexus!
If you live in North America, do yourself a favour, don’t go near any electric Porsche vehicles. Until they come with NACS compatibility they are impossible to road trip without major delays.
Thx, interesting info! In Europe we are fine with the standard plug.
I’d disagree, how often are people actually road tripping? If you need to road trip just rent a road trip car
It’s a similar argument to people buying a pickup truck ‘just in case’ they need to tow, or people buying an SUV ‘just in case’ they need the extra space.
At the end of the day just buy what you want and enjoy life
@puffpio ....this right here!
In the 4 years I've owned my Model S I've taken it on exactly 1 road trip longer then 300 miles. It was free, as I have free supercharging for life on that car.
I'm looking for a new EV this year and the Taycan is at the top of my list. The handling, fit and finish along with the service experience place it there. I'll rent a car if I need to take a road trip.
@@ferrynpalmer3875 Thank you for watching. I agree with you about the roadtripping. Anyways, in Europe there is a widespread charging network with superfast chargers (eg IONITY) so roadtripping is not a problem. The Taycan is so good to drive, so highly recommendable.
@@morten_hannesbo ....I yearn for the day the US takes ev infrastructure as serious as you do in Europe! The Tesla experience is phenomenal infrastructure wise. But coming from BMW, Lexus and Genesis....the service experience sucks. The fit and finish on my Model S sucks. But at the price point I can't complain too much honestly. 1st world problems. But if I can get a 2 or 3 year old Taycan for the SAME price as the same vintage Model S.....I'm switching!!
3 years 14 milage.. hasnt driven it at all.. nice but edgy..
Biggest problem with german EVs. There is no range….low range..nowdays 200-250 miles range is a joke..
More is always better. For my usage the 200-250 miles range is absolutely fine.
Would much rather have a second-hand Maserati😊
🇮🇹😊
There are currently over 750 Taycans for sale in the UK. Dealers are bidding £30,000 for brand new 0 miles cars!!! Worthless!
Some dealers try to steal the cars. The number of 750 units is not excessive in a large market like the UK. In Switzerland there are 305 for sale as of today, and that is in a market 1/8 the size!
@@morten_hannesbo I think there is a huge issue around obsolete tech that is far shorter than with ICE cars. Also, when the manufacturers guarantee expires, who is going to risk buying an EV knowing the replacement battery cost is going to be greater than the vehicle value?
@@jamespink4202 Agree, it is a risk, so do not overpay! But take Tesla as an example - the Model S is in its 12th year and there are many Tesla 3rd party workshops who can do repairs. This will very likely be the same for the Taycan as well as other products from VW Group, BMW, Mercedes et al. I would not be too worried about this. But I would not buy a new EV, much wiser to buy a 1-3 year old one.
@@morten_hannesbo we just sold a 2014 model S, it was a demonstrator for 2 years, so got an 8 yr warranty in April 2016. The HV battery failed at 83k, 104k and 112k. A new battery at retail would be £17,500, the value of the car, so we sold it before the warranty expired. Tesla replace failed batteries under warranty with "repaired" batteries...
@@jamespink4202 Thank you for the insights.
Yeah, I think I'm going to keep my Honda.
😊
Do I hear a sligth danish accent?
Absolutely😊
German car makers aren't what they used to be
Useful information. All electric cars have a "use by date" of about 10 years when the battery will need to be replaced. Low mileage electric cars can still have battery capacity loss due to aging of the battery which will happen. Ex Lease cars might have been rapid charged a lot so this might increase the chance of battery capacity loss. A battery report might tell you the battery loss is 5% which is 13 miles in the Taycan but might degrade by 10% in the next year dropping another 12 to 13 miles. Porsche state they will replace the battery after a 31% loss which is 75 mile loss of range (250 max range from 93kwh battery). With any electric car you need to think about replacing the battery or loosing money. I bought my Cupra Born brand new but expect to replace the battery after 8 years (8 year warranty) because the range will drop.
No thanks, I'll stick to the new Porshaa Taycarn 😊
I think they will loose even more value...
Agree. The Taycan is like a normal everyday car, unlike a 911 which holds the value better. I'd expect the used Taycans to lose approx. 10% (linear) per year from the new base from April 2024.
I would rather buy a Hyundai for the extra long warranties than a $200k car with a 3 year warranty, especially if it is an EV.
A fine car for sure, but Hyundai ist not Porsche😉
£120k new.. now 2 years later trade in valued at £30k.. £45k for new batteries..don’t for goodness sake have an accident it will be written off.
🫣
Is it for the people can’t afford still don’t buy. 😅
Good car for a lease hire through work. Assuming that the lease company doesn’t realise it’s worth peanuts after the initial lease.
Better looking than a Tesla and more colours than the limited Tesla ones.
😊👍
When is it a good time to buy an iPhone 10? Never. That's the nature of today's EV, especially the Taycan. Technology moves so fast, the 2025 Taycan has better range, better technology, faster responsive screen, faster charging, advanced adaptive suspension, bigger brighter screens, etc...making the 2024 look like an iPhone 10 vs iPhone 15. This isn't just the Taycan, but also the Kia EV9, it's getting rave reviews, but everyone knows the EV9.2 or EV10, whatever KIA will named it, technology will allowed Kia to introduced in less then 2 years as opposed to the traditional 4 to 6, the 280 range will probably be extended to 320 or 340, that screen will get bigger, bigger battery, faster charging, etc... this is just the nature of EVs, is there ever a good time to buy an EV? No, but you just have to accept that buying an EV is like buying a smartphone, the better newer faster version is just around the corner.
Agree on the EV issue and comparison with iPhones. The problem is however one of technology as you point out, but also one of way too high sticker prices of many EVs, in particular Merc, BMW, Audi and Porsche. An Taycan or a Merc EQS cost 2x a Tesla Model S new. This is not sustainable.
@morten_hannesbo yep, but keep in mind, EV prices go up and down, depending on the supply chain, we seem Tesla dropping by as much as $20k because their battery price dropped. I've seen people paid $25k over sticker when the Taycan was introduced, only 3 years later, they're $10-$15k off sticker on a brand new one because Gen 2 is coming out.
If a car depreciates as quickly as this it’s a warning sign it’s a lemon.
😔
If you are more than 1 m 75 just dont buy it .
185 cm is fine, too. It is similar to a 911
NO THANKS! Depreciation and cost of ownership is unethical.
This is a rich mans' toy.
As new for sure. Prices of used EVs are coming down fast. Used Audi e-trons are very attractively priced now.
Considering a Taycan? I'm an ex 911 owner in the UK who was badgered into this car by his accountant, because the tax breaks here make the Taycan the undeniably cheaper choice. It's like driving a supersized kitchen appliance, and if you're into inoffensive white goods you'll love it.
Well said. Turns out plenty of people like an appliance.
smile....first time I have heard anyone talking about a Porsche being like a kitchen appliance!
Ha! Brilliant. BEV 911? Mmm 🤔 😢
If they go up in flames they depreciate slower.
Agree that the Taycan is hot...
@@morten_hannesbo No, it's a bag of shit.
How to pronounce Porsche ruclips.net/video/Im2eYuGdmfY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/nxKlWWb-UuU/видео.htmlsi=_dr7OcnMNNQD0ep0
And Berlin (English) vs Berlin (Deutsch)?
A rich man once told me: If you would like a free Robins R44, just buy lots of land and sooner than later one will drop onto your land. Blick tells me: If you need Ferrari spare parts, just buy a house behind a curve, some famous immigrant will supply them with a headline story to showcase warm dismantling. Taycans have now hit new lows in England whent emotions from 100 years give them fears after one nearly managed to sink a car carrier. The other one we will never know until we learn to dive deep enough. But what we learned in Sardegna is that VW makes heavier sports cars that push Ferraris into a ditch.
I‘ll have the Audi etron GT, thanks. Same tech but 10x prettier.
Design is always individual - both cars drive fantasticly well
As a former Taycan owner, no, there's never a good time to buy that pile of junk. Such a bore, tons of electrical/software issues, poor range, too heavy, depreciating like no other, etc. Stay far, far away.
Wow, that bad?
First time I heard a negative voice from a Taycan owner.
You sound like someone who doesn’t know how to research before you buy. Poor range? You couldn’t figure that out before you purchased? Such a bore? You didn’t test drive? Too Heavy? See previous two questions.
Honestly doesn’t sound to me like you truly even had one.
Wouldn't Happen to be on Taycan forums. Theyd probably gang up on you 😂
@@autodigitvlogs 😊
Buying a used old Taycan is like buying a used Samsung Galaxy phone… It’s best days were behind new.