Disc priest getting away from a shielding type of healer (the only one we had) to just attonment healing... hell why not give disc at least prayer of mending and when jumping put a shield on them
@@Poisonieer Uppies is cool but kind of goes against their own language of “we want you to use less CDs as disc! But actually we mean just take evangelism and uppies instead of rapture” LOL I missed the part where divine aegis was increased to 30% so my trepidation of our shielding being gone has mostly gone. But juicing shields on your party before a damage event even goes out is so fun in keys and I will miss it a lot 😭
@@fabianbuserell8609 did you watch the rest of the video? PWS was buffed baseline and has modifiers. You can essentially achieve the same without it being a CD.
Resto Shamans got further changes: Primodial wave is gone and replaced by whispering waves which always copies healing wave to all targets with riptide on them.
the problem Hpal has is not that the CDs are too strong is that when they are done you are absolutely impotent as Lightsmith they just need to give LOD and the HL and FL a boost. These changes would have also brought Herald closer in line. Being forced into melee and relying on casting is terrible because you almost never get them off.
SOunds like the spec is dead to me. Not interested in POH play style or renew POH increase cost. Bad Force you to an AOE bot in raid with no mana. No thanks.
You are absolutely correct about Hpal being melee even before monk. They changed Hpal to be officially Melee with the last patch in WoD if I am not completely mistaken. Sadly since the fabulous revamp in DF S2 of Hpal they constantly nerf all the fun parts of it and want us to stand in melee and cast. I can‘t imagine how many ppl actually like that hilarious idea… sadge again no invites for me :(
You are wrong. Legion is when the mastery got introduced and you where not melee in legion and half of bfa. Melee mistweaver i played in Mists of pandaria.
So with the Gale of Songs vs serpahic cresendo it feels like that is meant to interact more with Awnsered Prayers, putting out 30 stacks of prayer of mending over 5 seconds puts you over half way to an apotheosis proc off Awnsered prayers, so big raid damage you pop that and then follow it up with a free apotheosis for 3 extra prayer of healing of heals ,
As a R-Sham main for the best part of 14 years I really enjoyed this tier. But all good things have to end at some point. On paper I don't see the changes being = to removing AG from us. But we shall see. Just make it a Resto only Talent option The healing Enh was doing during its burst windows was slightly nutty.
Many disc changes seems cool for raiding. However, I’m worried about the removal of Rapture for high keys. Not only do I no longer have a tool for shielding squishy targets before incoming damage, I also have less shields to cast in order to grind PS CD. Dawnbreaker specifically comes to mind. Healing miniboss by the House. PS/Rapture is KEY to living aoe and dot overlaps. Same goes for orb/dot overlaps on BL miniboss. Not to mention that I just want PS ready for the last mob for the spread pools before last boss. Hope I’m wrong, but I don’t know what I would do against that without rapture, spam flash heal or what lol?
Yeah the current style of trying to do this massive ramp using everything you have to heal damage events isn't super great. I'd much rather see disc using a cooldown per damage event, and not trying to focus on having 20 atonements out. Alternatively, allow the extension to be fairly strong so that similar to the hot healers you maintain x number of atonements minimum by playing well.
40% PoH buff on holy priest? I thought it needed closer to a 300% buff to be usable in Mythic+. It does a baseline of 100k healing. Health pools are 6M+. Guess they're still doubling down on on Lightweaver/Heal to do all the healing. Edit: tripling down.
Not sold about the removal of Circle of Healing for Holy Priest, specially when they have also increased the cast time of PoH. Maybe HPr will have enough insta-casts for movement phases but, if that is not the case... well, it will become a sitting duck, as all the previous times they removed CoH in the past, which would be bad.
Sad to see it go but a lot of the functionality is getting folded into Prayer of Healing with the increased support for on-demand boosted PoHs. Wouldn't be surprised to see some tuning throughout the PTR, too. Definitely feeling positive, even with the loss of a couple spells.
Wow I don't think I have ever been so hype about changes as I am about MW changes going into 11.1 - The new MW Dev is fucking COOOKING this expac. The biggest weakness it had was group healing on single target boss fights. Seems like the Dev recognized this and has not only addressed it, but seemingly completely fixed it with these changes.
i think Xal'atath's Guile changes work not the way you think. The current +10% on all is removed but the scaling is increased. so the difference between 11 and 12 got smaller but it scales faster out of control. So 14+ keys get harder faster but 12-13 keys get a bit easier i think
Right now a +11 has 110% more health and damage. A +12 has 130%. With the change, a 12 will have 122, 13-134, 14-146, 15-158 and 16-170 -> this is where you reach the level of the current affix. It only makes keys 17+ slightly harder. Unless he means is way harder for the 0.0001% doing 19s.
@@alexandrupetrea8267 M+ scaling is actually compounding, like interest rates are, so the math is different. But in a nutshell, currently the jump between a +11 and a +12 is functionally a 20% increase, while the jump from +12 to +13 (and every key lvl above) is 10%. This change should make 12s easier and possibly 13s and 14s too. At some key level it will catch up with the current health/damage multipliers and the key level after it will be a higher multiplier that it is now, so harder.
@@oriongaby Hey, I looked it up and you are right. Thanks. It seems like a +10 is actually ~5 times harder than a m0 even though in the tooltip it says that it is 100% more health and damage ( I found a chart from dragonflight that was done before the squish. might be enen harder now) For what it's worth, I think just removing the xalatath affixes should be enough. You already lose 20-30% haste/crit/mastery/vers with a ~40% uptime (if i`m not mistaken).
Disc: I'm pretty frustrated that they removed Rapture and put Uppies into a primary position, I don't want to take uppies; stop it. There are things I like in here but as with the past several years, disc updates just feel weird when taken together. Like when they removed schism/shadow cov bloat enabling lights wrath game-play but then removed lights wrath. Pres: I'm surprised Preservation didn't get more changes, I don't think it's in a terrible state but there are just things that don't feel concise. So I guess my major complaint is the button bloat. Sham/MW/Druid: good changes imo. Not familiar enough with Holy specs to have a strong opinion but I like if it means i cast holy light more... I'm probably in the minority on that one..
…can Disc relearn Circle of Healing? Since Holy is forgetting SUCH a historic spell. When disc lost Divine Hymn, Prayer of Mending, and Circle of Healing, I felt betrayal, as a BC Holy Priest turned Disc Priest in WotLK. Symbol of Hope being Disc while Divine Hymn being Holy always felt right to me and Disc just losing both felt like Holy getting a present on someone else’s birthday to me. Yeah we wanna smite the enemy to heal but we also want to be good support.
Very looking forward to try those Resto druid changes, looks good, wonder what that mastery change will bring and how it plays out, but overall great. I would also like a bit more agency from rejuv and wildgrowth instead of regrowth, but happy overall :)
they are crap, boring and boring as it was since introducing new tralent design, boring boring boring. This heal profile vs dmg profile means even in m+ resto healing is trash.
As a disc main i really like the changes that they've made to my favorite spec. I feel like the oracle changes will work well with the new tier set to help provide additional viability to Disc in a raid environment vs holy. Great video as always homie
I really hope this makes Holy Priest better. It sure makes me excited for them in Season 2, Holy Priest was my first character and main. I've been wanting to go back to it, never got the hang of Discipline spec
Aaah, I admit I'm not in love with the Hpriest changes yet. There's a lot of good! They clearly were listening. But, I'll miss Salv desperately and I don't think they've gone far enough in their changes to Divine Hymn and Prayer of Healing to make them feel like satisfying buttons to press.
For those of us stuck below +12 in S1, it feels like we’re completely ignored in this no depletion plan. Feels like a tax write-off for the richest… 3-4%?
I disagree that the evang change makes it more about precision. It's now much more usable reactively - you just radiance x2, evang for a chunk of healing, and then go to town. Previously you needed to set up fairly precisely (and it will still be optimal to do so), but now the gap between a well executed ramp and a scuffed one is smaller.
Omg! These improvements to Resto Shaman are so welcome! Not having to constantly maintain Earth and Water Shield is so good! I already love Resto Shaman, but this is just fantastic! 🤩
A lot of the holy priest changes are really good, but a bit confused on their view of Renew. It tick heals for so low, I don't think spending 2 talent points to make it 60% stronger with a CD and then 30% stronger is worth it. Maybe there will be leftover points, and maybe the 60% buff applies to Renews from the holy words or Lightwell, so it could end up being good but probably not. And hymn doesnt heal very much either, so having that on a 2min CD doesn't seem all that great. The 30 PoM charges to give just over half of an Apotheosis sounds a lot better at the moment. The Holy Mending buff is also laughable cuz that thing heals for like 25-30k or something. 30% isn't gunna make it picked unless its blocking the path to better talents. And yes the 6% splash heal talent at first glance sounds bad but when you are doing like 3mil Heal crits, healing 4 others for 180k does add up. Especially since holy basically just spams flash and heal, but maybe things will change a bit now that PoH is getting some attention.
I am confused. With the removal of rapture, which was the only cooldown you could use to heal while moving, what am I supposed to do now, cast penance and peace out? How am i suppossed to heal heavy single target damage abilities (like in the dawnbreaker) without it. Idk, current disc priest is really fun (at least in m+). Doing a class tree redesign, possibly adding a kick and a decent cc would be all the spec really needs. Instead, we are going straight to nerfs which the mindbebder cdr change is going to be.
Loving the Oracle/shield love for Disc, hope it plays out well. Glad some stuff like Castigation was cleaned up, and the cooldown reduction minigames tbh. Still want Cauterizing Shadows looked at; it's a really low amount, requires Pain to expire or be refreshed with 5 seconds left (complete anti-synergy with Painful Punishment). Odd when things like this are missed during these sweeps.
Do you think that Haste will still be the best stat for Disc? Though it might be easy to get infinite atonements with that Amir tier bonus talent. Also why don't they just make you float around in the air for uppies. The ability should make the priest holier then thou. Not be unable to move.
i think crit wold be best cuz divine aegis and we dont need spam smite that much now cause no void summoner from smite and no penance cd reduction from smite. so proly crit/haste or crit/versa would be best
to be honest, i kinda wish they would do something to make mythics more enjoyable for more casual players. i probably wont be getting above a 12 any time soon with how the community seems to be any time soon....
I think you may have misread the Guile change. I think it means that instead of always having +10% damage healing it now makes the normal M+ scaling modifier ramp up faster. So there will be a smaller increase between 11 and 12 but it will be ramping up the higher you go. E.g. +3 is 10% more hp/damage than +2, but +13 will be 12% more hp/damage than +12.
I *really* like MistWeaver playstyle after finally trying it recently, I just wish Brewmaster wasn't a forgotten spec so I could consider them as a main.
While I agree on your HPAL take, Holy paladin has been a melee caster since wotlk. So they are taking it back to the roots with the changes. Being in Melee hard casting certainly is less fun for most people but I do enjoy it as long as you are rewarded with high hps for the struggles that come with it.
Huh? Holy paladin was a holy light spam bot in WotLK, what melee caster are you talking about? it became a melee when they changed its mastery in legion
Love seeing the button bloat on Resto shaman being reduced, I don't mind being the cooldown guy but less spinning plates is nice, especially the Shielding
Woke up to this in the UK 3 hours ago. WOW! I play Shaman main and priest alt. Sitting pretty. permanent Earth Shield talent very much welcome. Healing tide doing mana regen is good since you can reduce its cooldown with other talents so more mana. Getting rid of Primordial Wave is fine since I don't use it. Holy and disc is so massive I can't decide what's best but a lot of it is good. Thanks for this video and high anticipating the testing and the 11.1 builds. Big thanks for this video. :D
Druid Hots ending should just put a small 20s shield on the target which would tamper damage intake and new heals applications. I mean GROOT' done the nature ball of protection once
I'm not claiming to be any good at Hpal - but I swear the only tools that keep my groups alive in +11 keys are Divine Toll + Virtue and AC plus either, Hammer and Anvil and Blessed Assurance. With only one of those tools being any good and it being optimally used outside of AC I just think the build is dead :( very sad
As a continuation to this, I was thinking back to Caster-Hpal back in BfA and I reckon the reason it felt alright back then was because of Glimmer of Light which rewarded using Holy Shock as close to off cooldown as possible and Infusion granting 30% cast time reduction to Holy Light, it made us feel way more mobile. With Glimmer being gone now, and no cast time reduction to holy light since BfA - I think Hpal is just sitting in the middle of two really crap builds that both used to feel really fun to play.
the M+ change is a joke. the people struggling with low key, having nightmare about depleting their 10 because nobody want to run 9, won't get the IO for this achievement. the people pushing keys do keys above 12, so the achievement means nothing. the good people doing weekly 10s for vault also won't care about this because you can join a 10 in queue anyway.
Literally, just make evangelism add atonements to all targets within x yard range - boom - I fixed disc in raid. I really feel like blizzard love adding complexity with no understanding of the actual player experience. It's wild to me.
Sometimes I really wish I could just lay back with the ranged and just cast healing spells are Holy Paladin. Doesn't even have to be the best build, just something viable to heal your weekly keys without too much stress. I liked Holy Paladin back in Legion. I'd like to have that version back to some extent.
played hpal since legion at a higher level. I think I will be moving on to mistweaver starting next patch. The patches sound awesome and should feel closer to the hpal that i so enjoyed playing previously. I am very excited about the changes.
I play both holy paladin AC light smith and resto shaman - not sure what the thought process is for resto shaman getting even more love then nerfing some of AC light smith. Just feels like the people behind these two classes are devs who play their class at a potential highlevel (shaman) and just look at spreadsheets (holy paladin).
MW changes looking very good so far, the single target changes are going to make me feel like I'm missing out these last few months before we get to play with these. Single target sheilun might be worth it in raid, tank just took a big hit? BOOM, sheilun. I'll especially feel like I'm missing this during Broodtwister prog, this specific talent would already safe us from the tank debuff exploding because of big damage 1 second before it ends.
Those changes for Resto Shaman seem nice but my concern comes from what the Tier set bonus powers will be, how much of a stat priority am I making because of talent and tier set changes?
Awhile considering the ptr isn't even out. Historically I'd say at least 6 weeks as this is the S2 patch. *Edit: Unless you ment when is the ptr out, probably within the week. If not later today then early next week is my guess
I do not like the Holy changes. They remind me a little too much of Void Form in Legion when your entire existence centered around Void Form and doing the most with it. They're also quite literally killing my favorite big CD Heal in the game.
Well.. I can probably count on one hand the number of times Salv got a second cast this tier (and they were almost certainly baking a 2nd cast into the class throughput) so hopefully the other changes make the spec stronger.
I HATE what they are doing to HPAL. It was so fun right now, but this feels like half-ass sh** and no clear vision. Is Blizz even playing their classes? On the other hand though: love the MW changes. And I am kind of intrigued to be trying out Oracle Shield Disc Priest, where I can use more shields with the first Premonition Buff. Can't really see the cooldown reduction though that Blizz was talking about in the nodes.
I'm finding Blizzard's wording about key depletion a bit weird. Not sure if it is that once you have a key above a 12, you will never not have a 12, or that keys 3-11 will no longer deplete. The rating requirement makes me suspect the former which is... not useful for that huge chunk of players who are just hoping they can not deplete their 10. If anything, sounds like this will drive a massive wave of boosting so people can get to 2850 and then never worry about depleting their key ever again.
I hope some of these healer changes is signaling a change to slower healing style. Making Base power of some spells stronger, gutting some cooldowns. Trying to make renew spec a thing for hpriest.
Do you think the Mistweaver changes will make Fistweaving more viable in a raid setting? I already play it in heroic but the caster version is just so much easier for the same/slightly better output.
On cleave fights, Fistweaver is stronger than Caster right now. However, when this patch hits, Fistweaver will be undisputed strongest Healer in all content without question. I'll be shocked if some of this stuff doesn't get reduced.
The changes are far from nice. It still cant be played in high level keys. Aoe healing is still bad. No defensives no group utility other than GA and no kick. Its a useless class in m+.
i do appreciate that blizz is giving options and having Mistweaver being able to be at range aswell, it was devastating that you got forced into melee so hopefully these changes gives you room to move out from melee every now and then and you can enjoy healing.
Maybe they should just add more achievements tied to mythic+ score. For example, at 3k rating, 13 keys doesnt deplete, 3150 14 keys doesnt deplete or something like that. Obviously the thresholds should make sense. Makes it a progress to get to the next level, but once youre there you can sorta calmy progress to the next lvl
I dont like the disc changes. Lower shadow cov uptime means less frequent fully buffed penance burst heals and the removing of rapture takes alot of our spothealing. Lets say prot paladin is dropping out of the meta next season due to huge nerfs and we are useless in m+. I have watched zaelia playing some +19 today and these keys are barely healable even with the prot paladin having like 800k to 1 million HPS so remove the prot pally offheals + the disc nerfs and we are gonna useless season2
Are you doing +19? Serious question, no BM. If you're like 97% of the other players that aren't doing anything above 14s, your entire critique is null.
@@adrianrodriguez9888 not it isnt since pugging a +13 is basicly the same as doing a +19 as premade in terms of the damage taken cause less skilled DPS taking damage they shouldnt and dont use their CC/interrupts perfectly so the general damage input on the group is the same in both scenarios. also disc is already at the lower end of 5men burst HPS output so there is no reason to make the only big burst heal we have less frequent
I view the Evangelism change differently. I feel like this is a way to make the button more relevant in m+. It gives on demand instant burst healing that just really requires a Radiance to setup. This will make it easier for worse/newer players to get used to healing in that environment instead of the spec only having preemptive cooldowns like Rapture and Barrier. I also don't think that it should be that relevant in raid. Once you divide the number by 20, the value is very minimal. It probably just means that the ramp window is a little more lenient because if you are late, then you aren't as screwed. Plus, like it being more relevant in m+, Evangelism will now be more relevant in non 20+ man raids. My biggest problems with the Disc changes are that Expiation is still a thing even though non of these changes will have come close to making it a good 2 point node, and that they got rid of the Ultimate Penitence cooldown reduction talent. Oracle just keeps going 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Baseline damage buffs to the dot and smite would be huge at making it playable in m+. On top of that, the new talent would have you slinging extra bolts which would further reduce the CD of Uppies. But they had to remove the talent and Train of Thought, and now you are going to do actually zDPS compared to any healer. Holy Priest has too much unknown, especially since there is massive potential playstyle shifts within the tree. I can't see it being any worse than it currently is, and it can only be better when we get a free cheat death. My main concern is that if Empowered Renew is good, and if we are in a single target Flash Heal/Heal meta like we are currently, then it will be so ass to have to get your Sanctify off CD after each raid wipe. It's already bad enough spamming renew currently, but imagine having to swap talents to spam PoH and then swap back between every pull. I really hope that they just make it so that the Holy Words get reset on each raid wipe. Also, I'd like them to make Epiphany make your PoM have 2 charges baseline and the proc gives a full charge. That way it doesn't feel bad when you have to use a Holy Word with 1-2 seconds left on PoM and it procs the freebie.
After stewing on the Hpriest changes for a bit they just make me mad lmao. Its not good, they double down on some of our issues, and the fact that we finally got a rework and still don't have utility or a kick. I'm deadass about to drop the class like I can't with them anymore. I've been waiting for a solid rework as a hail marry to save the spec and this ain't it. I'll try it but I don't think its enough for m+
I never did understand why Holy paladins didn't have unbound freedom as well, it feels like so basline buff to freedom that all specs should of had it, not Holy and Ret, instead of prot in the first place. Then again I don't know why Rets can't get Divine Sacrifice back as the specs unique utility.
"OMG, what's with these Holy Paladin changes? Only two decent buffs, the rest is trash. Feels like the former Mistweaver dev is now handling HPal, with random, RNG-based buffs in every patch note. The class tree is a mess, filled with useless talents. It's like they're intentionally sabotaging HPal, shifting focus to other healers. Nobody wants to cast 2-second Holy Light as melee. They're turning HPal into a plate-wearing Priest. These changes are disgusting."🤢🤮
I don't understand how Guile (Affix for 12+ keys) will make keys harder. Right now a +11 has 110% more health and damage. A +12 has 130%. With the change, a 12 will have 122, 13-134, 14-146, 15-158 and 16-170 -> this is where you reach the level of the current affix. It only makes keys 17+ slightly harder. Unless he means is way harder for the 0.0001% doing 19s.
Isn't the 20% damage increase by the 12 affix removed? If that's the case, then (x being the 11 key numbers) old 12 is x*1.2*1.1, now it's x*1.1. old 13 is x*1.2*1.1*1.1, now it's x*1.1*1.12 So the new system will only become harder than the old system when it reaches 16 key. I think nerf up to 15 is already high enough for 99.9% of the player base.
Hi there- Sounds like disc is going to reign supreme as a raid healer in s2 =D Also I know voidweaver is higher HPS but i gotta say, I played around with oracle for a few days and really liked the playstyle, even though it was even more cd's than voidweaver (like 4 extra!!) I really like ult penance how it instantly applies atonement to like 10 targets... but its not worth taking over my pet.
idk disc just doesnt feel like disc to me anymore. I get that they want it to he a light and shadow spec but I really liked the fire/radiant theme of the spec and i’m sad seeing ptw become shadow.
Unless I'm reading it wrong, and I may be. But the guile change is a nerf to guile I believe. Currently keystone go up by 10% per level. So guile, will make it go up by 12% per level instead of the usual 10%. This is compared to a flat 10% and a 10% scaling on top of it for the jump into 12. So unless I'm mathing horribly wrong. I believe its a 8% ish nerf to guile at 12 key level specifically.
Rdruid player here . I'm tired of changing play style every patch while the spec isn't performing good and you wunder why there is no skilled rdruid player in q .when we are getting used to something and takeaway at the end of patch also not giving some things good back
Having a healer give context to the changes makes them so much easier to understand, ty jak!
My man if you put out videos any faster you're gonna be uploading before the changes get posted! Love it!
I GOTCHU
Rapture felt SO good and versatile to use this season- I’m so sad and shocked they’re removing it.
Disc priest getting away from a shielding type of healer (the only one we had) to just attonment healing... hell why not give disc at least prayer of mending and when jumping put a shield on them
Rip rapture, never forget. I think next season i will just play Mw monk
Yeah but we get uppies. We finally get to play uppies
@@Poisonieer Uppies is cool but kind of goes against their own language of “we want you to use less CDs as disc! But actually we mean just take evangelism and uppies instead of rapture” LOL
I missed the part where divine aegis was increased to 30% so my trepidation of our shielding being gone has mostly gone.
But juicing shields on your party before a damage event even goes out is so fun in keys and I will miss it a lot 😭
@@fabianbuserell8609 did you watch the rest of the video? PWS was buffed baseline and has modifiers. You can essentially achieve the same without it being a CD.
Resto Shamans got further changes: Primodial wave is gone and replaced by whispering waves which always copies healing wave to all targets with riptide on them.
That is huge for Farseer
Mistweaver is going to basically be a 4th dps wtf lol they already put out so much DPS hell yea i fucking love MW.
MY JAW DROPPED.... REMOVED RAPTURE WHATTTTT 😮
the problem Hpal has is not that the CDs are too strong is that when they are done you are absolutely impotent as Lightsmith they just need to give LOD and the HL and FL a boost. These changes would have also brought Herald closer in line. Being forced into melee and relying on casting is terrible because you almost never get them off.
Remove Rapture? What? But the s2 set Bonus are for shield?
Blizz is clueless 😢
Mythic Plus definitely needs an unsquish to allow for more player engagement. The gaps from key to key are pretty substantial currently
Blizzard can't fucking stop making holypal into caster, they just can't comprehend that nobody fucking plays hpala to cast flash of lights.
i came for flash of lights and stayed for the instants
I like caster holy paladin, but I came to cast holy light, not flash of light.
Just be like me. Switch to different class and don’t play this joke of imitation of holy paladin
I just want Blizzard to decide on melee or caster and stick with it.
Right now both caster and melee feel half-assed.
I'd say resto sham rn feels kinda like shockadin xD big riptides, totem heals, big aoe cds etc
Love the Holy Priest changes, they sound exciting and boy we needed some excitement around here for sure! Awesome content man! Keep it up!
I’m a salvation player, kinda sad they’re removing it …
@@MatthewDRobles Yep, its the most satisfying button to press
@@MatthewDRobles me too that will be something we will miss brother
They do nothing for m+. Still unplayable
SOunds like the spec is dead to me. Not interested in POH play style or renew POH increase cost. Bad Force you to an AOE bot in raid with no mana. No thanks.
"WTS +12 non deplete, come get your vault." Its gunna happen.
I believe they meant you have to complete the key to save its level. But we'll see.
You are absolutely correct about Hpal being melee even before monk. They changed Hpal to be officially Melee with the last patch in WoD if I am not completely mistaken. Sadly since the fabulous revamp in DF S2 of Hpal they constantly nerf all the fun parts of it and want us to stand in melee and cast. I can‘t imagine how many ppl actually like that hilarious idea… sadge again no invites for me :(
You are wrong.
Legion is when the mastery got introduced and you where not melee in legion and half of bfa.
Melee mistweaver i played in Mists of pandaria.
So with the Gale of Songs vs serpahic cresendo it feels like that is meant to interact more with Awnsered Prayers, putting out 30 stacks of prayer of mending over 5 seconds puts you over half way to an apotheosis proc off Awnsered prayers, so big raid damage you pop that and then follow it up with a free apotheosis for 3 extra prayer of healing of heals
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As a R-Sham main for the best part of 14 years I really enjoyed this tier. But all good things have to end at some point. On paper I don't see the changes being = to removing AG from us. But we shall see. Just make it a Resto only Talent option The healing Enh was doing during its burst windows was slightly nutty.
All the hpal changes since Beta are the reason I went Ret, and looks like I'll be continuing on the Ret train into season 2. Sad.
Womp
yeah sad, hpal rip
Avenging Crusader and melee holy paladin was actually fun, sad to see them shift towards 'casterdin'. Oh well, Prot/Ret for me too I guess.
Many disc changes seems cool for raiding. However, I’m worried about the removal of Rapture for high keys.
Not only do I no longer have a tool for shielding squishy targets before incoming damage, I also have less shields to cast in order to grind PS CD. Dawnbreaker specifically comes to mind. Healing miniboss by the House. PS/Rapture is KEY to living aoe and dot overlaps. Same goes for orb/dot overlaps on BL miniboss. Not to mention that I just want PS ready for the last mob for the spread pools before last boss. Hope I’m wrong, but I don’t know what I would do against that without rapture, spam flash heal or what lol?
playing disc on cata has really made me yearn for the hard hitting and useful smite. finally, the atonement extensions and hard hitting smite
Yeah the current style of trying to do this massive ramp using everything you have to heal damage events isn't super great. I'd much rather see disc using a cooldown per damage event, and not trying to focus on having 20 atonements out. Alternatively, allow the extension to be fairly strong so that similar to the hot healers you maintain x number of atonements minimum by playing well.
40% PoH buff on holy priest? I thought it needed closer to a 300% buff to be usable in Mythic+. It does a baseline of 100k healing. Health pools are 6M+. Guess they're still doubling down on on Lightweaver/Heal to do all the healing. Edit: tripling down.
yea 40% seems underwhelming. If you tripled poh's healing it MIGHT be useful
Don't forget the slower cast time!
@LNitrogen That should be totally countered by lightweaver
@@Linknlayou could up its 5 times over an it’d still be dogshit.
Not sold about the removal of Circle of Healing for Holy Priest, specially when they have also increased the cast time of PoH. Maybe HPr will have enough insta-casts for movement phases but, if that is not the case... well, it will become a sitting duck, as all the previous times they removed CoH in the past, which would be bad.
Nicely summed up. I might add "becoming a sitting duck, made put of paper and thin air, waiting like a balloon to be popped"
It's not even used at the moment, in raid nor M+ so it's not gonna be missed really.
Sad to see it go but a lot of the functionality is getting folded into Prayer of Healing with the increased support for on-demand boosted PoHs. Wouldn't be surprised to see some tuning throughout the PTR, too.
Definitely feeling positive, even with the loss of a couple spells.
Wow I don't think I have ever been so hype about changes as I am about MW changes going into 11.1 - The new MW Dev is fucking COOOKING this expac.
The biggest weakness it had was group healing on single target boss fights. Seems like the Dev recognized this and has not only addressed it, but seemingly completely fixed it with these changes.
i think Xal'atath's Guile changes work not the way you think. The current +10% on all is removed but the scaling is increased. so the difference between 11 and 12 got smaller but it scales faster out of control. So 14+ keys get harder faster but 12-13 keys get a bit easier i think
Right now a +11 has 110% more health and damage. A +12 has 130%.
With the change, a 12 will have 122, 13-134, 14-146, 15-158 and 16-170 -> this is where you reach the level of the current affix.
It only makes keys 17+ slightly harder.
Unless he means is way harder for the 0.0001% doing 19s.
@@alexandrupetrea8267 M+ scaling is actually compounding, like interest rates are, so the math is different. But in a nutshell, currently the jump between a +11 and a +12 is functionally a 20% increase, while the jump from +12 to +13 (and every key lvl above) is 10%. This change should make 12s easier and possibly 13s and 14s too. At some key level it will catch up with the current health/damage multipliers and the key level after it will be a higher multiplier that it is now, so harder.
@@oriongaby Hey, I looked it up and you are right. Thanks.
It seems like a +10 is actually ~5 times harder than a m0 even though in the tooltip it says that it is 100% more health and damage ( I found a chart from dragonflight that was done before the squish. might be enen harder now)
For what it's worth, I think just removing the xalatath affixes should be enough. You already lose 20-30% haste/crit/mastery/vers with a ~40% uptime (if i`m not mistaken).
Disc: I'm pretty frustrated that they removed Rapture and put Uppies into a primary position, I don't want to take uppies; stop it. There are things I like in here but as with the past several years, disc updates just feel weird when taken together. Like when they removed schism/shadow cov bloat enabling lights wrath game-play but then removed lights wrath.
Pres: I'm surprised Preservation didn't get more changes, I don't think it's in a terrible state but there are just things that don't feel concise. So I guess my major complaint is the button bloat.
Sham/MW/Druid: good changes imo.
Not familiar enough with Holy specs to have a strong opinion but I like if it means i cast holy light more... I'm probably in the minority on that one..
…can Disc relearn Circle of Healing? Since Holy is forgetting SUCH a historic spell. When disc lost Divine Hymn, Prayer of Mending, and Circle of Healing, I felt betrayal, as a BC Holy Priest turned Disc Priest in WotLK. Symbol of Hope being Disc while Divine Hymn being Holy always felt right to me and Disc just losing both felt like Holy getting a present on someone else’s birthday to me. Yeah we wanna smite the enemy to heal but we also want to be good support.
Void summoner only mind blast and penance,no rapture, we are doomed guys.
Very looking forward to try those Resto druid changes, looks good, wonder what that mastery change will bring and how it plays out, but overall great. I would also like a bit more agency from rejuv and wildgrowth instead of regrowth, but happy overall :)
they are crap, boring and boring as it was since introducing new tralent design, boring boring boring. This heal profile vs dmg profile means even in m+ resto healing is trash.
As a disc main i really like the changes that they've made to my favorite spec. I feel like the oracle changes will work well with the new tier set to help provide additional viability to Disc in a raid environment vs holy. Great video as always homie
Nooooo my Salvation!!!!! But, overall, excited about the Holy Priest changes.. we have needed some love for a little while!
20:00 My hope with this type of change is that blizz is listening to everyone talk about the issue with Time To Kill shrinking over the years
I really hope this makes Holy Priest better. It sure makes me excited for them in Season 2, Holy Priest was my first character and main. I've been wanting to go back to it, never got the hang of Discipline spec
Pretty sure the evangelism change makes it just more viable in a Dungeon scenario and is whatever for raid.
If they don’t want us having a complex resto rotation for dps. Shouldn’t the buffs be higher on the magic and physical talents individually?
Aaah, I admit I'm not in love with the Hpriest changes yet. There's a lot of good! They clearly were listening. But, I'll miss Salv desperately and I don't think they've gone far enough in their changes to Divine Hymn and Prayer of Healing to make them feel like satisfying buttons to press.
If they were listening aoe healing would have been increased by 400%. And we would get defensives. Its unplayable in anything thats not raids.
For those of us stuck below +12 in S1, it feels like we’re completely ignored in this no depletion plan. Feels like a tax write-off for the richest… 3-4%?
I disagree that the evang change makes it more about precision.
It's now much more usable reactively - you just radiance x2, evang for a chunk of healing, and then go to town.
Previously you needed to set up fairly precisely (and it will still be optimal to do so), but now the gap between a well executed ramp and a scuffed one is smaller.
Omg! These improvements to Resto Shaman are so welcome! Not having to constantly maintain Earth and Water Shield is so good! I already love Resto Shaman, but this is just fantastic! 🤩
A lot of the holy priest changes are really good, but a bit confused on their view of Renew. It tick heals for so low, I don't think spending 2 talent points to make it 60% stronger with a CD and then 30% stronger is worth it. Maybe there will be leftover points, and maybe the 60% buff applies to Renews from the holy words or Lightwell, so it could end up being good but probably not. And hymn doesnt heal very much either, so having that on a 2min CD doesn't seem all that great. The 30 PoM charges to give just over half of an Apotheosis sounds a lot better at the moment.
The Holy Mending buff is also laughable cuz that thing heals for like 25-30k or something. 30% isn't gunna make it picked unless its blocking the path to better talents. And yes the 6% splash heal talent at first glance sounds bad but when you are doing like 3mil Heal crits, healing 4 others for 180k does add up. Especially since holy basically just spams flash and heal, but maybe things will change a bit now that PoH is getting some attention.
I am confused. With the removal of rapture, which was the only cooldown you could use to heal while moving, what am I supposed to do now, cast penance and peace out? How am i suppossed to heal heavy single target damage abilities (like in the dawnbreaker) without it.
Idk, current disc priest is really fun (at least in m+). Doing a class tree redesign, possibly adding a kick and a decent cc would be all the spec really needs. Instead, we are going straight to nerfs which the mindbebder cdr change is going to be.
Loving the Oracle/shield love for Disc, hope it plays out well. Glad some stuff like Castigation was cleaned up, and the cooldown reduction minigames tbh.
Still want Cauterizing Shadows looked at; it's a really low amount, requires Pain to expire or be refreshed with 5 seconds left (complete anti-synergy with Painful Punishment). Odd when things like this are missed during these sweeps.
The master of harmony changes should make wildstalker cat weaving easier. The interrupt change being able to cast from any form seems nice too.
Do you think that Haste will still be the best stat for Disc? Though it might be easy to get infinite atonements with that Amir tier bonus talent. Also why don't they just make you float around in the air for uppies. The ability should make the priest holier then thou. Not be unable to move.
i think crit wold be best cuz divine aegis and we dont need spam smite that much now cause no void summoner from smite and no penance cd reduction from smite. so proly crit/haste or crit/versa would be best
to be honest, i kinda wish they would do something to make mythics more enjoyable for more casual players. i probably wont be getting above a 12 any time soon with how the community seems to be any time soon....
I think you may have misread the Guile change. I think it means that instead of always having +10% damage healing it now makes the normal M+ scaling modifier ramp up faster. So there will be a smaller increase between 11 and 12 but it will be ramping up the higher you go. E.g. +3 is 10% more hp/damage than +2, but +13 will be 12% more hp/damage than +12.
I *really* like MistWeaver playstyle after finally trying it recently, I just wish Brewmaster wasn't a forgotten spec so I could consider them as a main.
Huge props for MW changes. I am leveling a priest. Hopefully, i will enjoy the changes when i get 80 and not fumble with current iteration
While I agree on your HPAL take, Holy paladin has been a melee caster since wotlk. So they are taking it back to the roots with the changes. Being in Melee hard casting certainly is less fun for most people but I do enjoy it as long as you are rewarded with high hps for the struggles that come with it.
Huh? Holy paladin was a holy light spam bot in WotLK, what melee caster are you talking about? it became a melee when they changed its mastery in legion
Love seeing the button bloat on Resto shaman being reduced, I don't mind being the cooldown guy but less spinning plates is nice, especially the Shielding
Woke up to this in the UK 3 hours ago. WOW! I play Shaman main and priest alt. Sitting pretty. permanent Earth Shield talent very much welcome. Healing tide doing mana regen is good since you can reduce its cooldown with other talents so more mana. Getting rid of Primordial Wave is fine since I don't use it. Holy and disc is so massive I can't decide what's best but a lot of it is good. Thanks for this video and high anticipating the testing and the 11.1 builds. Big thanks for this video. :D
With rapture gone how big of a hit in raids will that be or in mythic+
Raids little to moderate hit, mythic+ huge huge hit
Druid Hots ending should just put a small 20s shield on the target which would tamper damage intake and new heals applications. I mean GROOT' done the nature ball of protection once
I'm not claiming to be any good at Hpal - but I swear the only tools that keep my groups alive in +11 keys are Divine Toll + Virtue and AC plus either, Hammer and Anvil and Blessed Assurance. With only one of those tools being any good and it being optimally used outside of AC I just think the build is dead :( very sad
As a continuation to this, I was thinking back to Caster-Hpal back in BfA and I reckon the reason it felt alright back then was because of Glimmer of Light which rewarded using Holy Shock as close to off cooldown as possible and Infusion granting 30% cast time reduction to Holy Light, it made us feel way more mobile. With Glimmer being gone now, and no cast time reduction to holy light since BfA - I think Hpal is just sitting in the middle of two really crap builds that both used to feel really fun to play.
the M+ change is a joke.
the people struggling with low key, having nightmare about depleting their 10 because nobody want to run 9, won't get the IO for this achievement.
the people pushing keys do keys above 12, so the achievement means nothing.
the good people doing weekly 10s for vault also won't care about this because you can join a 10 in queue anyway.
yes have fun spending 2 hours trying to get into a group that was desperate as a dps that likely fails anyway.
thats what i was thinking. They should do "not depleting" 10s not 12s. Wouldve made much more sense
@@iamnoisy they should make "" nothing deplete... not 10, not 12, not 5, not 15... nothing deplete.""
depletion have no reason to exist.
@@vincenthamel3420 thats for sure but if they making kinda first step in this direction 10s would be much better instead of 12
@@iamnoisy who the F care about weekly chore key. you can 4 man those.
WHERE IS OUR INTERRUPT ?!!?!?!?!
#DISCKICKS
If disc gets a kick all other classes are useless... I AM ALL FOR IT!
@@JerryDober I actually wouldn't mind a interrupt like Shadow Priest with a 45 second cooldown. It's way better than having no interrupt.
Literally, just make evangelism add atonements to all targets within x yard range - boom - I fixed disc in raid. I really feel like blizzard love adding complexity with no understanding of the actual player experience. It's wild to me.
That sounds boring tho
Sometimes I really wish I could just lay back with the ranged and just cast healing spells are Holy Paladin. Doesn't even have to be the best build, just something viable to heal your weekly keys without too much stress. I liked Holy Paladin back in Legion. I'd like to have that version back to some extent.
played hpal since legion at a higher level. I think I will be moving on to mistweaver starting next patch. The patches sound awesome and should feel closer to the hpal that i so enjoyed playing previously. I am very excited about the changes.
I play both holy paladin AC light smith and resto shaman - not sure what the thought process is for resto shaman getting even more love then nerfing some of AC light smith.
Just feels like the people behind these two classes are devs who play their class at a potential highlevel (shaman) and just look at spreadsheets (holy paladin).
MW changes looking very good so far, the single target changes are going to make me feel like I'm missing out these last few months before we get to play with these. Single target sheilun might be worth it in raid, tank just took a big hit? BOOM, sheilun. I'll especially feel like I'm missing this during Broodtwister prog, this specific talent would already safe us from the tank debuff exploding because of big damage 1 second before it ends.
I'm convinced they were so focused on Aug/Enh changes that they didnt get to the other specs much yet
No CoH or HW:Salvation scares me. I also hope they look at holy priest mana, it's just ridiculous.
Those changes for Resto Shaman seem nice but my concern comes from what the Tier set bonus powers will be, how much of a stat priority am I making because of talent and tier set changes?
Damn.. I really loved this 11.0.7 holy paladin.. I really don’t wanna cast..
Deleting AG for RSham and not giving anything back is CRAZY
After it was already nerfed heading into this season meh. Punished because they can't balance dps and heals together
when are these going live? cant wait to test out the new oracle changes
Awhile considering the ptr isn't even out. Historically I'd say at least 6 weeks as this is the S2 patch.
*Edit: Unless you ment when is the ptr out, probably within the week. If not later today then early next week is my guess
@@Rylos277 cheers
I do not like the Holy changes. They remind me a little too much of Void Form in Legion when your entire existence centered around Void Form and doing the most with it.
They're also quite literally killing my favorite big CD Heal in the game.
Well.. I can probably count on one hand the number of times Salv got a second cast this tier (and they were almost certainly baking a 2nd cast into the class throughput) so hopefully the other changes make the spec stronger.
@@glenndoiron9317 In my defense, they have nerfed the crap out of Salv every time I've turned around.
damn i hoped we would get back the last DF Tier Set for Holy Priest... sadge, loved the resetting of Power Words
Well, shit… didn’t expect all this.. my brain hurts…
I would have liked some buffs to emerald blossom.
Do you think meta will be mistweaver or disc priest again for season 2 ?
Way too early prediction is mistweaver. Important thing to see though is that with no Aug buffing healers then overall hps will matter a ton
the changes to riptide modifiers will buff farseer passively
rapture gone and evangelism a healing button. Curious to see how raid ramps turn out to be
as a BM main, Ive been alting holy priest, but through all of S1 ive been trying to find a dps build to it.
I hope they finish designing their class specs before the expansion comes out of beta.
(Good video though.)
my prayers for Surge of Light working with prayer of healing still hasn't been answered😢. but it working with Lightweaver is pretty pog!
Does the redesign of Xalatath's Guile mean the % increases is higher but it no longer removes the Bargain aspect?
I HATE what they are doing to HPAL. It was so fun right now, but this feels like half-ass sh** and no clear vision. Is Blizz even playing their classes?
On the other hand though: love the MW changes.
And I am kind of intrigued to be trying out Oracle Shield Disc Priest, where I can use more shields with the first Premonition Buff.
Can't really see the cooldown reduction though that Blizz was talking about in the nodes.
Respectfully, the people that could use the key deplete feature aren't doing 12+'s. Great analysis as usual, Jak. Thanks!
True! Wowhead said this MIGHT mean that keys 12 and under don’t deplete which would be interesting
I'm finding Blizzard's wording about key depletion a bit weird. Not sure if it is that once you have a key above a 12, you will never not have a 12, or that keys 3-11 will no longer deplete. The rating requirement makes me suspect the former which is... not useful for that huge chunk of players who are just hoping they can not deplete their 10. If anything, sounds like this will drive a massive wave of boosting so people can get to 2850 and then never worry about depleting their key ever again.
I hope some of these healer changes is signaling a change to slower healing style. Making Base power of some spells stronger, gutting some cooldowns. Trying to make renew spec a thing for hpriest.
Renew will never, ever be useful in M+ where entire health pools vanish in mere seconds.
Do you think the Mistweaver changes will make Fistweaving more viable in a raid setting? I already play it in heroic but the caster version is just so much easier for the same/slightly better output.
I think it’s pretty strong already but it’s a lot of gcds to manage iirc
On cleave fights, Fistweaver is stronger than Caster right now.
However, when this patch hits, Fistweaver will be undisputed strongest Healer in all content without question. I'll be shocked if some of this stuff doesn't get reduced.
Very interesting holy priest Changes looks nice, but I will miss circle of healing. Was the reason I started love holy priest 😢
The changes are far from nice. It still cant be played in high level keys. Aoe healing is still bad. No defensives no group utility other than GA and no kick. Its a useless class in m+.
Contrition basekit!? Lets go!! I'm sad about losing train of thought.
i do appreciate that blizz is giving options and having Mistweaver being able to be at range aswell, it was devastating that you got forced into melee so hopefully these changes gives you room to move out from melee every now and then and you can enjoy healing.
This is actually why I stopped playing my MW. I just didn't like being forced into melee. I LOVE the cast feel of the spec.
Maybe they should just add more achievements tied to mythic+ score. For example, at 3k rating, 13 keys doesnt deplete, 3150 14 keys doesnt deplete or something like that. Obviously the thresholds should make sense. Makes it a progress to get to the next level, but once youre there you can sorta calmy progress to the next lvl
I dont like the disc changes. Lower shadow cov uptime means less frequent fully buffed penance burst heals and the removing of rapture takes alot of our spothealing. Lets say prot paladin is dropping out of the meta next season due to huge nerfs and we are useless in m+. I have watched zaelia playing some +19 today and these keys are barely healable even with the prot paladin having like 800k to 1 million HPS so remove the prot pally offheals + the disc nerfs and we are gonna useless season2
Are you doing +19? Serious question, no BM. If you're like 97% of the other players that aren't doing anything above 14s, your entire critique is null.
@@adrianrodriguez9888 not it isnt since pugging a +13 is basicly the same as doing a +19 as premade in terms of the damage taken cause less skilled DPS taking damage they shouldnt and dont use their CC/interrupts perfectly so the general damage input on the group is the same in both scenarios. also disc is already at the lower end of 5men burst HPS output so there is no reason to make the only big burst heal we have less frequent
@@Max-9871 That's not true. I watch Jak pug 12/13s and he still doesn't have a +19 keyed.
@@adrianrodriguez9888 sorry let me correct myself : playing a 19 premade with tanks/dps that are 0,001% of the best players in M+.
A question isn'5 ancestral guidance removal a straight Nerf to resto shaman?
I just returned to wow this past week. Im excited 😊
I really don't get what they want with evang change. Do they want us to spam smite till dmg happen?
It looks like they want to make it usable in M+ whilst not really changing anything for raid
I view the Evangelism change differently. I feel like this is a way to make the button more relevant in m+. It gives on demand instant burst healing that just really requires a Radiance to setup. This will make it easier for worse/newer players to get used to healing in that environment instead of the spec only having preemptive cooldowns like Rapture and Barrier. I also don't think that it should be that relevant in raid. Once you divide the number by 20, the value is very minimal. It probably just means that the ramp window is a little more lenient because if you are late, then you aren't as screwed. Plus, like it being more relevant in m+, Evangelism will now be more relevant in non 20+ man raids.
My biggest problems with the Disc changes are that Expiation is still a thing even though non of these changes will have come close to making it a good 2 point node, and that they got rid of the Ultimate Penitence cooldown reduction talent. Oracle just keeps going 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Baseline damage buffs to the dot and smite would be huge at making it playable in m+. On top of that, the new talent would have you slinging extra bolts which would further reduce the CD of Uppies. But they had to remove the talent and Train of Thought, and now you are going to do actually zDPS compared to any healer.
Holy Priest has too much unknown, especially since there is massive potential playstyle shifts within the tree. I can't see it being any worse than it currently is, and it can only be better when we get a free cheat death. My main concern is that if Empowered Renew is good, and if we are in a single target Flash Heal/Heal meta like we are currently, then it will be so ass to have to get your Sanctify off CD after each raid wipe. It's already bad enough spamming renew currently, but imagine having to swap talents to spam PoH and then swap back between every pull. I really hope that they just make it so that the Holy Words get reset on each raid wipe. Also, I'd like them to make Epiphany make your PoM have 2 charges baseline and the proc gives a full charge. That way it doesn't feel bad when you have to use a Holy Word with 1-2 seconds left on PoM and it procs the freebie.
After stewing on the Hpriest changes for a bit they just make me mad lmao. Its not good, they double down on some of our issues, and the fact that we finally got a rework and still don't have utility or a kick. I'm deadass about to drop the class like I can't with them anymore. I've been waiting for a solid rework as a hail marry to save the spec and this ain't it. I'll try it but I don't think its enough for m+
I never did understand why Holy paladins didn't have unbound freedom as well, it feels like so basline buff to freedom that all specs should of had it, not Holy and Ret, instead of prot in the first place. Then again I don't know why Rets can't get Divine Sacrifice back as the specs unique utility.
Killing holy pally for.... Reasons? Flat nerfing all healers during a time when they're already struggling to keep players in M+
"OMG, what's with these Holy Paladin changes? Only two decent buffs, the rest is trash. Feels like the former Mistweaver dev is now handling HPal, with random, RNG-based buffs in every patch note. The class tree is a mess, filled with useless talents. It's like they're intentionally sabotaging HPal, shifting focus to other healers. Nobody wants to cast 2-second Holy Light as melee. They're turning HPal into a plate-wearing Priest. These changes are disgusting."🤢🤮
I don't understand how Guile (Affix for 12+ keys) will make keys harder.
Right now a +11 has 110% more health and damage. A +12 has 130%.
With the change, a 12 will have 122, 13-134, 14-146, 15-158 and 16-170 -> this is where you reach the level of the current affix.
It only makes keys 17+ slightly harder.
Unless he means is way harder for the 0.0001% doing 19s.
Isn't the 20% damage increase by the 12 affix removed? If that's the case, then (x being the 11 key numbers)
old 12 is x*1.2*1.1, now it's x*1.1.
old 13 is x*1.2*1.1*1.1, now it's x*1.1*1.12
So the new system will only become harder than the old system when it reaches 16 key. I think nerf up to 15 is already high enough for 99.9% of the player base.
Hi there- Sounds like disc is going to reign supreme as a raid healer in s2 =D Also I know voidweaver is higher HPS but i gotta say, I played around with oracle for a few days and really liked the playstyle, even though it was even more cd's than voidweaver (like 4 extra!!) I really like ult penance how it instantly applies atonement to like 10 targets... but its not worth taking over my pet.
Does it mean disc no longer needs high haste, so making mastery and versatility as the primary 2nd stat to go for pve?
idk disc just doesnt feel like disc to me anymore. I get that they want it to he a light and shadow spec but I really liked the fire/radiant theme of the spec and i’m sad seeing ptw become shadow.
Unless I'm reading it wrong, and I may be. But the guile change is a nerf to guile I believe. Currently keystone go up by 10% per level. So guile, will make it go up by 12% per level instead of the usual 10%. This is compared to a flat 10% and a 10% scaling on top of it for the jump into 12. So unless I'm mathing horribly wrong. I believe its a 8% ish nerf to guile at 12 key level specifically.
Rdruid player here . I'm tired of changing play style every patch while the spec isn't performing good and you wunder why there is no skilled rdruid player in q .when we are getting used to something and takeaway at the end of patch also not giving some things good back