Pond Power
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
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A fun project utilizing a low head turbine to generator power from a pond or lake overflow pipe. Special thanks to Spencer Langston from Langston's Alternative Power for supplying the Low Head Turbine.
Need to have the out let submerged under water stop air coming back up and gets better power learnt this in another video
This is awesome, sure beats just letting all that water flow into the overflow frog ponds. I might have to pick up a few of these.
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I wanna make free power from a pool so this is super fantastic.
This is totally awesome! I love micro hydro. Would love to find property with year round continuos flow to do this. Great vid. Keep the hydro coming.
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Wow Incredible, I bet during the raining season you can really produce power, very cool
That was awesome! Running an angle grinder directly off the generator! So hilarious! I'd like to know how you set up that pipe going through the pond embankment so that you don't get capillary water flow on the outside of the pipe causing erosion of the embankment.
The way to stop capillary water is anti seep collars
Maybe you could recover some of that water with a few ram pumps to refill the pond. and use it to produce power instead of a generator when expecting heavy rains. Combined with solar and wind you could produce power almost 24/7.
The amount of energy extracted from the water coming in, is the same amount of energy needed to put the water back in….
No free lunch in physics
What really gets your power is the difference in height between your pond and the turbine. That's where the energy differential is. Based on your setup, you have a small difference. You could make the difference even more. I suggest you redesign your setup and put the turbine at a lower point than what it is right now. That should bring you much more power.
I was thinking the same thing. The more drop you get the more power the falling water will have. Although perhaps the siphon equalizes the power of the water throughout the whole pipe? Anyways it is very cool that you have done this, hats off to you keep up the good work and interesting videos
That s not correct. The exhaust side is pulling the water through the turbine. It is maxed out. I am taking advantage of every inch of height available.
Correct, because it's siphoning, the only caveat is if there's air leaks.
It's one thing to go "off grid" but the grid still holds most of us on a very short leash. Harvesting your own domestic energy (electricity and heat) without using fossil fuels is a big step. Harvesting your own electricity using only things that you can make at home is the next.
can you run pipe off of the bottom further down the hill to another generator and double the power?
Depends how much downhill the water is going
That turbine is spinning based on the water pressure, which originates because of the pent-up mass of water held back by that dam.
It's not impossible to recapture some of that energy, but you'd have to have a lot of fall for the water to pickup inertia before trying to spin something else with far less mass- and it would be nowhere near the output of this first turbine generator.
I love it! i was thinking maybe you could also make another pipe to return the water back into the pond for continuous water power... that is awesome!
Meme Zim it would take more power to put the water back then he’s getting from the turbine.
@@MichaelApproved capillary action?
@@henryhoover3953 funny you mention that now because I recently explored that idea. The issue with capillary action is that it takes energy to remove the water from the medium that it’s using. You get water to climb up a string with capillary action but how do you remove the water from the string? It doesn’t just drop off the string, you need to squeeze it out. That squeezing motion takes energy which keeps it from being perpetual.
Dude, you are so awesome... I wish I had half the engineering skills you have in a single finger... I'm the farthest person from a handy man lol.
Loved the work that you put Into your project. Once you figure a way to get the used water back into your pond without using power, you will have overcome the nay sayers. Thumbs up my friend.
Yeah, putting water back into the pond is kind of the responsibility of the rain and upstream water supplies.
As for pumping back without using power, that's not how the laws of physics work. So I'm gonna say nay here and leave it with that ;)
Nice turbine
Very nice, I dont speak English only Spanish- (Ecuador). but understand Your job, it is fantastic... My question?... how is the construction this turbine... you can help me with a video of this construction of the turbine...
Do you get any reply. Please share with me.
I love this idea, as a temporary source of energy it's excellent, but it doesn't seem very sustainable, because unless it's topped up by the same amount from a stream/river, surely it will drain the pond? Would work well on a natural exit/outflow though. I guess that would be your intended use long term..
I'm going to try and do something similar and make a battery bank for my well
powered pump to recircute back to your upper level ?
Could you benefit from both with a positive net gain in power ?
Doesnt work u USE more power to pump IT up
@TheCessnaDriver Some people do actually have a working system like that.
They use solar and/or wind to power to slowly pump the water back up to the top pond so they have higher power than the solar/wind can give on demand. When the pond is full, that energy goes into the grid or storage batteries.
There's a net loss, but as long as you're not using a huge amount of power it's very sustainable.
@@Gainn Would that mean basically that the pond acts like a battery storing potential energy?
@@sharpe227 indeed. It's not really useful for people with continuous flow, but for anyone that has limited flow it's ideal.
nice work man ! :)
Do you have a second pond you can feed with the discharge water? If you have a solar setup you could use excess power to pump the water back up. Power at night when the sun goes down. Great setup!
That’s what I was thinking too couldn’t you have two systems going from one pond to the other?
Even better just circulate it
If you haven't already a how to video would be much appreciated.
I could use this set up in several places on my property
great video, what turbine is that?
Any ideas about recirculating the water back into the pond?
Hi
Where can I buy this pump generator?
can you not dig another pipe for it to push it back into the pond as doesnt seem plausible it would empty and no longer be use till it fills again
I am attempting to set up a electric generator system attached directly to my inground pool filter pump water outlet side. I want to use it to generate enough 220v 60hz current to feed back into the system to slightly offset the cost of running the pump during filtering of the pool.... Or.... generate enough 110v 60hz current to power an electric heater to help heat the pool cutting down on propane pool heating costs.
So, what I think I need:
1. is to find a reasonably priced high-volume/low resistance water pump (possibly centrifugal),
2. tied to or mounted on a pump motor or car alternator and somehow converted to a generator,
3. Run that current through an appropriate inverter that can also output either the 220v or 110v AC at 60hz.
4. Then use that current to either run an electric pool heater at 1500 - 2000w or
5. Used in conjunction with 3 or 4 car 12v batteries,
6. back-feed the captured current back into the system.????
Any thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated!!!!
I am trying to do this on a budget.
I also realize and understand energy loss and entropy and the 1st and 2nd Laws, so I am only trying to recapture a portion of energy that is currently wasted.
So far, I have thought about employing the use of a "jet well pump", or a centrifugal pump and running them in reverse of designed flow???
How do you get the water or circulate it back to the pond and complete a cycle? If not eventually the water will get so low that it cant reach the inlet and unable to make power?
Is there a video describing the design of that syphon? Maybe a full build video?
Outstanding...
How would one keep from upsetting the neighbor with a flood?
i don't think he has many close neighbors.
Don't cause a flood.
Awesome video!
That's just plain cool.
so based on the comments I see little hope that more than a few people have the understanding of basic physics that would allow them to understand this setup. The basic idea is to have energy from falling water to produce electricty. Much of the energy is harvestable but some is lost due to mechanicle and electromechinical physicis. So the energy produced will never equell the energy needed to refill the pond from a second lower pond. Solar energy stored and used a night to refill the pond , well it will work but at what cost and anyway this video is about a off grid emergency power supply. The brilliance of E=MC2 IS on display on this video.
Off grid OR emergency. Two different things. Some people actually live off grid. Imagine that
Robert L. Fallin E=MC2 has NOTHING to do with this setup. But you think you sound cool and educated when you say it, huh?
I think you meant E=mg(h2-h1), where E is the potential energy, h2 is the height of the inlet, h1 the outlet, m the mass of the water, and g is the acceleration of gravity (32 ft/sec^2 or 9.8 meters/sec^2).
Or maybe you meant kinetic energy E = 1/2*m*v^2
But E=mc^2 is not useful in this case.
You use this as a water battery to charge batteries at night, for usage, and during the day your appropriately oversized solar array has a ton of unstorable power, you can use that to run pumps to refill some capacity. Here in Missouri one of our utilities uses one of the largest so-called pumped storage batteries in the world, Taum Sauk, 450MW of hydro power available nearly instantly, on command if the grid needs it, faster responding than any other grid generating capacity. Also the site of a pretty interesting catastrophe, but they've worked out those bugs.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taum_Sauk_Hydroelectric_Power_Station
nice setup.
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Now, hook up a ram pump (ore several) back to the pond an recycle some of your water!
now thats an idea, collect it in a lower pond, and move some back up, seems like it would work
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Interesting... I was a bit confused as to how it worked, but I checked the website and it seems like it is set up to be like an inverter generator. Can there be any provision to automatically vary the water flow to match the needed load, or does it run at full flow at all times? I'm thinking conserving the level of the reservoir when it has a finite rate of replenishment. Very interesting toys... thanks for the demo.
It runs full speed. I plan on 4 hr batch runs of 250,000 gallons. THe weather will determine how many batches I can run a week. Thanks for checking it out!
engineer775 Practical Preppers Great experiment. Do you know the recovery rate of your pond ? or is that variable based on rainfall ?, are your springs fed by rainfall only ?. Does the pond recover 250,000 gallons in 4 hours ? Thanks for sharing. PS I am not being facetious I really want to know.
Use a ram pump to put the water back in the pond.
Create a lower pond and have two
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Nathan Mciver thanks for your reply. it’s out of hand.
Thanks for the vids, do you have a rec. for a small river system?
How to get power from slow-moving water from the river? Should I build a big waterwheel and put some gear to gain some torque?
Doesn’t have to be big, can use a bicycle rim, car alternator, and batteries. 💙 & ✌️
if you had 2 ponds (like the kind to prevent flooding) could you have one pond drain into the other pond then, once the other pond is full, drain into the first pond? and if you had maybe 10 of these pipes, you could make energy all day
I was thinking the same thing. Two ponds side by side with water moving between them both. unlimited energy right?
@@mikewood8208 the power comes from water flowing downhill. If the ponds are the same elevation its a no go.
I absoilutely love all your videos and you are my favorite prepper channel but I can't see any reason for this setup as presented. For the cost of this equipment at Langston's you could install a diesel generator and fuel tank that would provide 10 times the power and likely run time. I can't see this fitting the "practical" description. I would like to see a similar setup with a sustainable flow like in a river.
its emergency power, in reserve
what if there is no diesel? He still has power.
diesel cost money, so it is not really an off grid source, the gov't could stop the sale of it, or raise the price beyond being affordable.
Could the pressure from the falling water create enough force to redirect the water back into the pond? Instead of draining it...
I was looking at this flat property with 2 ponds on it and maybe could have 2 of these going one to the other ?
good lord guys run a ram pump and return a good portion of your water back to your pond!
Charge batteries with this system then maybe use a large water ram to get the water back in the pond?
I'm not sure how well that would work, you would be working against the law of energy conservation. You can neither create nor destroy energy, and in any practical application you will always lose some energy in the forms of sound, heat, etc. While this may help to prolong the amount of time until you run out of energy, you would still be netting an energy loss in the form of heat, sound, etc. Accounting only for heat, the charging of a battery pack would give off heat, as will the friction of the spinning turbine and water rushing through the pipe. Turning around and using an electric pump to pump the water back again would create more heat whilst restoring energy to the pond in the form of the gravitational pull of the water. In the end, assuming you can recover every drop of water, you will have used more energy to displace and replace the exact same amount of water. With perfect energy consumption, you would have used exactly as much energy as you'd generated to put it back, but since you will inevitably lose energy in the process, it would just be an overall waste. The best way to do this is to drain as much as you can and then wait for the energy source to be restored in the form of more rain to fill the pond, which indirectly comes from the solar energy of the sun that evaporates the water to allow it to rain in the first place.
I'm pretty sure he was talking about a gravity powered ram pump to pump some of the water back into the pond.
Flat Effect only a fraction could go back up, and at the pressure you get, just install a pelton or turgo...
HOw did you drive the pipe through the dam? Were you concerned about compromising the integrity of the dam?
I had been thinking of making in line turbines for household plumbing, as people shower, do chores, etc inline plumbing turbines could be getting free electric . My husband says it costs too much to implement my idea... Why does it have to be expensive?
At what pressure and flow rate. If on a well, it would be a waste as your pump would need to run longer to get to pressure to shut off. If on a municipal system, then you might get a few Watts per day. With all the low flow systems in homes today, they don't use that much water which is why most cities only have 3/4" or 1" meters.
Couldn't you recycle the water back into the pond? Or did I miss something. It would be more cost effective and wouldn't run out. Just a thought.
Great idea.
Question, how many more turbines would it take in series below that turbine, to power a pump capable of returning the same amount of water back to the pond? Or would the drop rate to obtain this be greater than the power generated, no matter how many turbines used?
+Carl Brown you are trying to make a perpetual motion machine.
If only...
Awesome!
Excellent! Will you be posting any plans to recreate this or is there a website already to explore?
Thanks -
We might post some drawings but if you need help with a turbine go to Langtons Alternative power. His YT channel is featured on my main page.
engineer775 Practical Preppers
Much appreciated.
i am confused as to the point of this? are you trying to dry up your pond? otherwise you will only get power for a short period and then loose your water source. unless the pond has a heck of a spring fed source feeding it faster than the water taken out.
Could you use a much smaller stream of water (therefore get a longer run tiime of the generator) or do you need to run the large pipe because of the low head?
Other then natural occurrences, how does the water get back into the pond
Thats the only way.
2900 bucks? Holy Crap!
The water pressure that the spencer turbine create can pump the water uphill right?
You should hook a pump up on the bottom end and pump that water back up there so that you don't have to wait for the rain to refill it. Awesome though.
Tim McRae That pump would negate the power generated from the turbine...
How?? The power is generated by water flowing down through it. If the pond empties... no more water.
Tim McRae The pond fills through ground-water and various creeks and underground water veins. Filling it with a pump would use more electricity than what is generated by the turbine.
Aww okay. I was just wondering how the pond would stay full. And if a simple pond pump uses too much electrical power for it what's the point of it?
Tim McRae Depends on what your goal is. A pump large enough to move water back at a sufficient rate not to be drained by the turbine, would have to use more power than the turbine can produce, leading you to LOSE electricity in the big picture.
What if you added a ram pump at the end of the micro hydro generator and pumped water back into the pond? Do you have any idea what percentage of the total water would make it back up hill? thanks!
I know it's not something of paramount importance when your life might depend on getting power in grid-down context, but I was wondering: is all that water wasted? Is there a way to bring it back into the pond after it feeds the turbine? or could it be used in any other fashion so as to avoid waste in these times of increasing global water depletion?
Where do you think the water, in the pond, is coming from? Most likely from rain run off and underground spring. So the water is just being returned to the earth. I wouldnt call that wasted.
I was wondering if you had a hill near by could you just get the siphon to go up the hill and send the water right back into the pond? This would allow for continues flow without drainage of the water source.
How many watts it is? How long can you sustain this? Other than an emergency grid down application I could not see any reason to do this AND if this was a grid down situation or WROL situation why would you want to decrease your water supply? I guess I am really confused on this one. Glad your making power but this does not seem like a good idea to me. When would the "practical" part of setting this up ever come into play? Once that water is gone it is gone.
I am hoping 750watts/hr for 4-5 hrs. Goal 3000 watts in total. Now my pond is only spring fed. Some people have tremendous continuous flow out of their ponds. The water is never gone for my pond. I dug it 18 yrs ago and it never goes dry. So I look at my pond as a big battery and when it is full I can discharge 3000 watts.
+SuperOffgrid At 0:44 he says this thing produces regulated 120V. Looking back I see that he means the whole system not just the generator. Yes I have taken apart may automotive style alternators that typically run well into the hundreds of hertz.
You are obviously confused and dumb. When it's raining, water overflows numb nuts, so that's when you'd be making the power. It's a rainy season thing.
I like the idea, but do you think you could add more turbines? like a set of stairs going down the slope, just an idea i had while watching.
littlerupert1111 Yes you can. If you need more info call me @ 843 319 4830 Spencer
littlerupert1111 One turbine with high head is more efficient than several at various heads along the same pipeline.
Good stuff!
can you run it if it's raining?nice video thumbs up.
Great experiment. Do you know the recovery rate of your pond ? or is that variable based on rainfall ?, are your springs fed by rainfall only ?. Does the pond recover 250,000 gallons in 4 hours ? Thanks for sharing. PS I am not being facetious I really want to know
How long did it take to drain 250k gallons?
Should have a water wheel to capture the outflow. More power...
I live in a cooler climate where ponds freeze solid for 4-5 months each year. Given that variable what would I have to do to protect a setup like this?
Is it a syphen system?
Could you rig something to dump the water back into the pond?
What kind of generator are you using sir thank you
I want to know also, please.
@@alvalnol hehe my comment was like 3 years ago aint got no response :(
so what happens to the water from the pond (maybe you mentioned it?)? I assume it does not return and may not be practical due to DEC enforcement these days
very nice...........
Nice .The tech is around to do away with power plants ,gas,oil. Awesome video
They are not showing that turbine on their website.
Scott you read my mind. We were sitting at the dinner table talking about a piece of land that we are looking at here in Chile to buy which has a large river fronting 600 feet and we were thinking that we need to use a Paddle wheel and attach it to a transmission to create power. The river has a good strong steady flow all year long. kind of like the Saluda River near you.
Have you applied power making to conditions like the one I am describing?
Thanks in advance.
Any more room over there?
Weezy Weezer Shhhh! what do you want everyone to know about this place? Freer, safer and a little cheaper that the former USA. Lets keep it quiet eh!
In a word yes. You had better hurry.
I have not tried that but a friend who has a river boarding his property is where I hope to experiment. In the meantime, Spencer, over at Langstons Alternive Power might have some ideas for you.
engineer775 Practical Preppers Thanks I will drop him a line. Love the vids, keep up the good work.
ChileExpatFamily
pssst! Thank you kindly.
Can you get credit/sell it back to the grid like what solar panels do?
What is more important storage or production?
TOO COOL!!!
I see multiple impoundments cascading down stream to generate power over and over from the same water stream. The only limit is how much vertical you have to work with. It makes me wonder how many turbines you could have between the spring head and your cistern.
This could actually work for a small scale tidal power project. Any thoughts?
Ionization of air is possible or not ??
can't you set up a series of turgo generators?
This is great. I'd like to learn more about how to do this. We have a 1-acre pond here in Iowa with a 30' head that seems perfect for this. Thanks for a great video. How can I contact you?
Paul Schaefer 843 319 4830 ask for Spencer Langston
Paul Schaefer 843 319 4830 Spencer
Where can I get the hydro generator?
where do u buy these turbines ?
Langston alternative power
Is this a turgo generator?
I'm wondering a bit, how many maps were you getting?
Can you utilize a solar
Am very much interested with your product so could you give me more information on that..
How many watts can that create before you smoke the inverter or windings?
My pond could never smoke the inverter. I wish that was my problem.
Then, can you stall the turbine?
The Generator & inverter are capable of 2000 watts but you will have to have more water flow & head.
Does the inverter gracefully go into overload, just like a car inverter does?
Nicholas Smerk Yes it will.
Can you post a link for that water turbine
how much time too drop the pond 2 feet
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Hydro turbines seem to often get forgotten as alternative sources of energy, when their power cannot really be argued against. I guess a river is the obvious example but this also interests me. Have you considered what to do with the expelled water? Obviously it can be held and pumped back up to source but then it is a question of whether you generate more electricity than you would use to reclaim it. I understand that you are viewing this as a pond that has reached critical mass and so the water you expel is effectively excess wastage but it would complete the setup to make use of the water expelled in a useful way. Has anyone else come up with an answer to that bit? Great video and all the best.
He could ram pump 1/10th back to the top for "free"
Aaron's allotment use solar powered pumps, to put water back to the pond.
Ram pump up the water back up into your pond!
how will the pond be replenished? regular rainfall?
spring
Does the water from the pond get replaced?
Yes
It would be nice to move the water back to the pond creating a loop..
262Purity it would take more power to put the water back than the turbine is generating.
Hi, what kind of helice please ?
pure magic , can we get a 240V?
Yes you can but its expensive. If you convert the power to dc through a rectifier run it through a charge controller and bring it into a 24v battery bank you can then use a 24v-240v split phase power inverter to aquire 240v ac. But those parts are expensive. Youd have about $2000 in batteries a charge controller and a power inverter its almost not worth it. You can run dadgum near every thing in a house off 120v these days.