Chasing 500 Watts, Big Pelton Turbine

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  • Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
  • This testing was done to confirm the diameter and thus operating RPM, Volts, and Amps are inline with expectations to move forward with a Turgo Runner of the same size in a stainless housing.
    Current bottlenecks:
    -Still only a 12V DC system, the Midnite Classic doesn't like to PWM down to 12V from high input voltages.
    -Input wires are now a limitation, amps are higher and the extension cord I'm using is only 16 gauge. I'm pusing 7 Amps through it which over the distance probably results in a noticable difference. I have 4 gauge aluminum wire to bury.
    -Lots of windage from water in the housing, a Turgo will remedy most of this.
    -Jet alignment is still tricky and not as finely adjustable as I would like.
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Комментарии • 951

  • @timwegman5776
    @timwegman5776 4 года назад +22

    Your design is ingenious. Using those quick connections makes it super easy to make changes on the fly, I have never seen such an easy simple set up that works so well. Hats off to you my friends great job!

  • @willlinke2849
    @willlinke2849 4 года назад +1

    Interesting spoon design. Very clean setup as well. Nice project

  • @Tkm112093evadell
    @Tkm112093evadell 4 года назад +14

    I love stuff like this. When you turned the water back on for the first time I couldn’t help but notice all of the used water being ejected from the turbine was enveloping the turbine itself. It looks like the size of that box would be a serious loss in efficiency caused by excess water around it. Seems it would be a better idea to make that box as big as possible to allow the water to be ejected far from the turbine to drain down the sides, and not interfere with any moving parts.

  • @PatrickBaptist
    @PatrickBaptist 3 месяца назад

    That's awesome. I'm gonna say I wouldn't use those "quick" connects they seem to not be so quick..... But hey if that's what you like then go for it, respect.

  • @rikwhite6337
    @rikwhite6337 4 года назад +28

    Im my experience of Peltons, the wheel should definitely be vertical, with the housing as large as possible to reduce losses from interaction of the exiting water with the casing. Also, the nozzle shape and alignment is fairly critical. If you want to use the nozzles that you are currently using, i would suggest possibly mounting them side by side on an adjustable bracket, aimed at the bottom of the wheel. That way you can align them so each of the streams hit the centre of each of the pair of the buckets through the main part of the drive stroke. By fine adjusting the alignment of the streams you can tailor your rpm / power.
    Cool project though :-)

  • @tonychen76
    @tonychen76 4 года назад

    If input wires are a limitation now, consider stepping up the voltage near the turbine. As far as I can tell your rectifier can handle up to 1600V while the charge controller can handle up to 200V, yet it's getting only 70V input. So your set up should be able to handle double the voltage. My guess is that the turbine is producing 45-ish VAC (3-phase) and if you can step that up to 90V, current should be halved to 3.5A which means less power loss. Now, the transformer itself will induce a loss, so you'll have to make some calculations and figure out if it's worth doing. Moving the rectifier to near the turbine can also help.

    • @JoeMalovich
      @JoeMalovich  4 года назад

      I want the turbine to be able to free-wheel and not have the open circuit volts fry the charge controller. I already have some free heavy wire to install.

  • @gregwarner3753
    @gregwarner3753 4 года назад +11

    Pelton wheels operate most efficiently when the speed of the spoons is one half the speed of the water jet. This is fairly easy to calculate. This exercise is left for the student.

    • @josephpadula2283
      @josephpadula2283 3 года назад

      The turbine should be A Kaplan or the simpler
      Propellor style.
      Francis third best.
      But Pelton impulse?
      That is for very high head !

    • @fishhuntadventure
      @fishhuntadventure 3 года назад

      But you’re still not a physicist

    • @josephpadula2283
      @josephpadula2283 3 года назад

      No just an engineer at a dam.
      I am also not a lawyer
      But I know murder is no legal
      .

    • @gregwarner3753
      @gregwarner3753 3 года назад

      Each turbine type has an efficient operating range of pressure and flow. Look at any basic Water Power text book for an explaination.

    • @tofo2
      @tofo2 3 года назад

      The charger is MPPT (Maximum Power Point Tracking). It will adjust the voltage for maximum output power, and that will be near a wheel peripheral speed of half the water speed. It may find an optimum a bit off due to cup shape is not at optimum exactly perpendicular and also optimize a bit to increase RPM due to wire losses and if the box distorts water somehow.
      MPPT regulators solve a lot of problems for homebrew projects. There are even step-up/boost MPPT regulators operating from as low as 5V input.
      The best is to select the diameter of the pelton wheel to obtain the maximum RPM the alternator is designed for. The power loss in all wires and windings is proportional to I^2 so delivering power at as high voltage as possible is great.
      Also the water speed can be checked reading the open circuit (no load) voltage of the alternator. Regulator will have to handle that RPM anyway when battery is fully charged if no dump load, water diverter or nozzle valve feedback is used..
      It may be the cups are inefficient if wheel is too small and each cup operate over a large angle

  • @manden22
    @manden22 4 года назад +1

    looks very safe, with the wires and all.

  • @delf6775
    @delf6775 4 года назад +32

    Why dont you put the 2 batteries you have in series to work @ 24V if you think working at a higher voltage would help. It would halve the current from the charge controller to the batteries too, so less losses in the cables.

    • @GonzoDonzo
      @GonzoDonzo 3 года назад

      Not to mention its half the amp draw when inverting to 110-120vac. Can be expensive to change some of your hardware though

  • @kalbogwapo1536
    @kalbogwapo1536 Год назад

    spencer is smart, very smart.

  • @benbrice9343
    @benbrice9343 4 года назад +1

    Mark my words this guy is going to keep building bigger and bigger intill he surpasses the hoover damn in size and electrical output. He may just keep going after that or he may finally be satisfied. Lol
    Love the channel and this is the kind of stuff I wish would of been more readily available to me when I was a kid. Im 33 just to give you an idea of where my comment comes from.
    Thank you for all of your hard work. I have no doubt that you are inspiring an untold number of kids.

  • @DjSharperimage
    @DjSharperimage 3 года назад

    Pretty awesome build. If I ever buy some land, I will probably build something like this.

  • @jrchicago9216
    @jrchicago9216 3 года назад

    ⚠️ 100 extra watts is small given the size more than doubled. The problem is the size of the water stream is not massive enough. I.E. Gallons per minute. You should be able to get 3x more wattage with the proper flow.

  • @dieziege6780
    @dieziege6780 4 года назад +21

    The first few words sounded exactly like Gray Still Play's Intro :D

  • @joycethomas8868
    @joycethomas8868 4 года назад +1

    Nice work and video. The velocity of water exiting nozzles remain the same. Using a larger diameter wheel should turn slower based on same water jet velocity. Very nice setup.

  • @davemact301
    @davemact301 2 года назад

    Hello Joe. Cool setup.
    The round casing is the way to go. Like a donut, the half-toroid is a perfect diffuser for the spent water and the noise! Stainless perf metal will let water pass through and stall that water long enough to use it's film strength to absorb a lot of the sound. Please check for proper clearances at speed!

  • @OliverMotorized
    @OliverMotorized 4 года назад

    Very cool system! I'm sure if I scour your channel more I could find the answer but... do you have a comparison in output of using two jets instead of one hitting the pelton? For some reason my brain can't manage to see why two would be better than one if it's from the same source and traveling at the same velocity. But on the other hand there is more water hitting it it right? Or is it just dividing the amount that would be coming out of one in half?
    Either way super cool setup my friend.

    • @JoeMalovich
      @JoeMalovich  4 года назад

      Two jets double the water which is double the power at the same pressure. it's not actually the same pressure but it's close enough. I lose some to friction, and I have a finite amount of water, it's really only capable of a limited amount of power.

    • @David-mo2wu
      @David-mo2wu 4 года назад

      @@JoeMalovich why not 4 then

  • @krameris1000
    @krameris1000 3 года назад +1

    Perfect 👍

  • @h.l.69
    @h.l.69 4 года назад +1

    2:20 damn that is sexy.
    Must build, must get going.
    Heck I wish there was some nice stream next to me. Also, I like coming up with bunch of ideas yet I seldom see any real effort on actually getting them done. I guess it’s just a lot more easier to dream than do.

  • @moo76man
    @moo76man 3 года назад

    50w improvement... that is more than 10%! Wow it looks like you have too many cups. Water seems not to flow out too well causing resistance to the wheel.

  • @kareemdyb7195
    @kareemdyb7195 4 года назад

    Good work

  • @Myselfsama
    @Myselfsama 4 года назад +4

    Whats producing all of that water pressure? Love this idea.

  • @EasyPower
    @EasyPower 4 года назад

    Very nice setup, well put together. The charger rating is rated in Amps, if your charger is 40 Amps per example it will be 40 Amps at 12 VDC (right about 480-500Watts output) or 40 Amps at 24 VDC etc etc (chargers can be 12/24 or 24/48) which is then twice the amount of power, this will only be a problem to you if you were curtailing production due to reaching already the Max charger Current (as for the 48 to 24 VDC question), if your current is already close to the current limit of the charger yes that is a limiting factor definitely. If you can measure flow velocity in your pipe and manifold pressure you can for sure estimate maximum Hydraulic power before the turbine, and see what is the efficiency you are getting at the moment, for that you need a large flange mechanical flow meter to avoid much flow restriction to the turbine. That can guide you into next steps to achieve your desired power production. if the efficiency is high then you are looking at high losses or water flow from your reservoir, it is is low you may benefit from an additional injector(s) and look if you may have too many buckets (too small as well) on your wheel which can be the culprit of all the splashing inside the box.

  • @TO-ll4js
    @TO-ll4js 4 года назад +2

    How much is the inlet pressure of the water before it impinges on the blades?

  • @davidlong2691
    @davidlong2691 4 года назад

    Sanitary fittings are the best aren't they? Gotta love it.

  • @noobulon4334
    @noobulon4334 2 года назад

    You should put some ferrules on your wires there, its less important because the wago connectors apply spring tension to the conductors but it does keep the strands from getting messy

  • @TheAnical
    @TheAnical 4 года назад +1

    If you are still running this box, maybe put some smooth corners to redirect water flow.

  • @turbo3089
    @turbo3089 4 года назад +1

    I'm trying to build a similar set up. But out of curiosity what type of jets are those is it like a normal thing you can buy at Walmart like for pressure washers...

  • @j.crandom2077
    @j.crandom2077 4 года назад +4

    im new to the channel how you get the water pressure so high !!??

  • @brylle7564
    @brylle7564 2 года назад

    I'm a fan of your work and I love to know where you've got those quick release connectors. nice work sir keep it up😊

  • @qaisarali7299
    @qaisarali7299 2 года назад +1

    I like it it's a fantastic work of piece for free electric energy, i need some detail of generator that you use i mean model # ?

  • @B.Duncan
    @B.Duncan 4 года назад +1

    If you can increase the diameter of your penstock pipe you'd have less head loss due to laminar flow.

  • @BikeLifePinas
    @BikeLifePinas 4 года назад +1

    I think your next upgrade will be the box.

  • @fmaclen
    @fmaclen 4 года назад +3

    I really have no idea what I'm talking about but it looks like there is a lot of water turbulence inside the box, wouldn't it be a bit more efficient if the inside of the turbine box had rounded corners or was a straight up circular shape?

    • @DanielCallejasSevilla
      @DanielCallejasSevilla 4 года назад

      Water reaching the sides of the box has already produced work by hitting the turbine first, so aside from splash from wall to wheel, the shape of the box should not be a big issue.

    • @wilppuse
      @wilppuse 4 года назад

      @@DanielCallejasSevilla What if, the box was the same shape as the stellarator coils... Id like to test that but alas, no stream on my backyard

    • @keithlester9152
      @keithlester9152 4 года назад

      I saw the same thing. I know in a racing motor they make the oil pan to keep splash off the crank. I think the same principal should apply here.

    • @UCCLdIk6R5ECGtaGm7oqO-TQ
      @UCCLdIk6R5ECGtaGm7oqO-TQ 4 года назад

      Likely, but probably not so easy to prototype in comparison to a simple box.

    • @barryfirth1187
      @barryfirth1187 4 года назад

      He could 3D print one after the bugs are worked out...he has a printer. Just has to consider the shape to deflect the water properly and if the plastic will handle the stress. 🤔
      Bigger, round with baffles.

  • @SteveFlatEarth
    @SteveFlatEarth 3 года назад

    What is the name of the pipe connection hardware? Very convenient for assembly dissassembly.

  • @Kesiif
    @Kesiif 4 года назад

    Wow he grabbed frozen stone with wet hands. I got instant frostbite doing the same thing.

  • @youknowvin
    @youknowvin 3 года назад

    Why was the black bypass hose put to use? Seems the two hoses already there could have just been put down in the center hole.
    Also those stainless steel connectors and clamps looks like high dollar lab grade parts. Aren't they expensive.
    Looks like a lot of water sloshing around in the new box that would interfere with the turbine.

  • @bowlweevil4161
    @bowlweevil4161 4 года назад

    where are you getting the water and how much pressure?

  • @potterteksmith7548
    @potterteksmith7548 3 года назад

    Pelton (impulse turbine) wheels are suited to high head like about 1000' and higher to get max efficiency
    Francis (reaction turbine) are suited to lower heads
    The most complicated are Kaplan turbines for the lowest heads - basically a very large variable pitch propeller to broaden the maximum efficiency range
    This setup doesn't appear to have much of a head (going on the plastic hoses etc) ?

  • @JoaoDaPingaGostosa
    @JoaoDaPingaGostosa 3 года назад

    Ey Joe, here JC from Chile... what Brand and Kind of generator are using there ?
    Can you guide me to get one similar ?
    Thanks

  • @DeliciousDeBlair
    @DeliciousDeBlair 4 года назад +4

    Definitely need batteries matched to the system's safe operating parameters.

  • @giggity4670
    @giggity4670 4 года назад

    i would love to live where you are as UK is crap. a cabin in big open space not a care in the world just having fun is my dream place and i love the cold am never a sunny hot days person canada in winter is my holiday type i would love.

  • @davidhauge5706
    @davidhauge5706 3 года назад +1

    Nice installation. Get some camlocks

  • @kimkeam2094
    @kimkeam2094 4 года назад

    I noticed that there is some build up of fluid after departing the turbine. Are you able to reduce that drag by making a round sleeve for the box so the exiting water travels more smoothly as a vortex? It just looks like it is impeding the turbine on the video. Great idea and jealous I don’t have a water source like you do.

  • @rdlt3851
    @rdlt3851 4 года назад

    Hi, my name is Rafael, I'm from Brazil, what is the description, and the brand of the engine? And these shovels are plastic and where to buy?

  • @bene5431
    @bene5431 4 года назад +3

    2:33 ELECTROBOOM Material

  • @donacianoc.sandoval2587
    @donacianoc.sandoval2587 4 года назад +1

    what are those hose clamps called? the ones that look like miniature vitaulic clamps.

    • @mrburne3043
      @mrburne3043 4 года назад

      Those are CLAMP DIN 32676 fittings

  • @no-damn-alias
    @no-damn-alias 3 года назад

    very good for handling your baseload. Do you have netmetering with your power company?

  • @DJ-ic6mu
    @DJ-ic6mu 4 года назад

    Gotta love tri-clamp 💗

  • @peterswales8366
    @peterswales8366 2 года назад

    Man, I wish I had half your guys knowledge… I’d love to build my own in our stream. But when the videos start with, ‘I’m going to require this stator’ etc, I’m already way out my depth lol

  • @sabekt
    @sabekt 2 года назад

    good job tanks

  • @kurtremislettmyr7108
    @kurtremislettmyr7108 4 года назад +1

    What are the conections you use on the hoses called?
    also i think a bigger housing with more efficiend water discharge will make it better.

  • @burtmacklin6443
    @burtmacklin6443 2 года назад

    I don't think I've ever seen someone use triclamps outside of brewing.

  • @MegaTechGuy
    @MegaTechGuy 4 года назад

    I've got a fun project you'd enjoy, maybe make a Tesla Turbine? You'd get a much higher efficiency Turbine with the same flow rate.

  • @toddstewart4579
    @toddstewart4579 4 года назад

    Have you shot the wago connectors with a thermal imager?

  • @pumkong5606
    @pumkong5606 4 года назад

    Okay, if you hook up an oscilloscope to the output of that turbine, on a load that is, you will probably be able to visualize the effects of that broken part. I'd really like to see that.

    • @JoeMalovich
      @JoeMalovich  4 года назад

      There is enough inertia that I doubt it would be easily visible.

  • @atractorkid7
    @atractorkid7 4 года назад

    Those clamps with the stainless steel pipe fittings are very similar to what I use to concrete pump, I gotta ask where did you find those kind they look ideal for the application-no rust and easy to work with

  • @kirtvandevusse
    @kirtvandevusse 4 года назад +1

    Hay how do u get your pressure i am on a river in Michigan so wood appreciate

  • @RawbsPistDoff
    @RawbsPistDoff 3 года назад

    How’s the plastic turbine blades treating ya? I’ve seen others use those and have them wear out fairly quick and figured an aluminum blade might do ya better

  • @florh
    @florh 3 года назад

    you can make such a bolt on a lathe, and instead of going from right to left when you cut the thread, you go from the left to the right, they you have it a new left-threaded bolt :-) (if you weld a hexagon on it, otherwise it's a left-threaded rod :-) )

  • @alexb5766
    @alexb5766 4 года назад

    I love tri clamps if you make it down to atlanta I will show you what I use them for 😉

  • @gregwarner3753
    @gregwarner3753 4 года назад +1

    Run the Pelton wheel at a rim velocity at near 1/2 the water velocity of the nozzles. You do the math.

    • @JoeMalovich
      @JoeMalovich  4 года назад

      The mppt controller does that for me.

    • @acmefixer1
      @acmefixer1 4 года назад

      @@JoeMalovich
      I'm not familiar with the MPPT controllers. But I was thinking that there could be more power out of the original small wheel if there was a better match between the incoming higher voltage if there were stepdown transformers before the rectifiers. What complicates things is the 3 phase delta connection and the need for 3 transformers. One thing in its favor is the frequency seems to be higher than 60 Hz, which means the transformers could be small for having to handle 500 watts. But altogether you have a very good setup, thanks for the videos.

    • @jttech44
      @jttech44 4 года назад +1

      @@JoeMalovich No, you have to size your nozzles to the speed you want under load. The mppt controller only optimizes wheel speed with available power output, if you're losing power because your water velocity is too high/low, it can't compensate for wheel losses.

    • @benlawton5420
      @benlawton5420 4 года назад

      @@jttech44 It can because mppt will find the voltage that gives the most watts higher rpm = more voltage lower rpm = lower voltage the only thing I can think of is if the rpm is too low and it falls below the w/rpm of the alternator.

    • @jttech44
      @jttech44 4 года назад

      @@benlawton5420 right, but because water flow and your spoons have to be sized to eachother it only gives you what the ideal is given your flow/spoon combo is.

  • @SumitKumar-ce7ov
    @SumitKumar-ce7ov 4 года назад +1

    500w is too little, can you heat your home and cook with 500w?

  • @donaldsteele6276
    @donaldsteele6276 4 года назад

    Dude you should use sound board to dampen it and spray it with water proof material.

  • @shadrok163
    @shadrok163 4 года назад

    Is this a miniaturized water wheel?

  • @chanapatwootiluck2408
    @chanapatwootiluck2408 4 года назад

    How much is your water bill for a month? And where does the water goes?

    • @rwatson2609
      @rwatson2609 4 года назад

      I can probably answer this question. The water bill in many parts of the world is $0. The reason for this is that the water just flows down a creek nearby on it's way to the ocean. He just helps it get there via a different route.

  • @happyhartono2012
    @happyhartono2012 4 года назад

    I like the way you connect those pipe fittings. What are those stainless steel collar clamps thingy called?

    • @The-Bad-Boyscout
      @The-Bad-Boyscout 4 года назад

      Those types of fittings are used in sanitary (food and pharmaceutical) applications because they’re easier to take apart and clean than threaded fittings. Tri-clover is a brand of those fittings. I like them in this application, too.

  • @digimon916
    @digimon916 4 года назад

    Hey guys, just a diyer, no real engineering training 😂, but how would making a fews gear to speed up things benefit if? Or would they be worse bc it might create a loss through the gears? Or it really just comes down to fine tuning. And with the fine tuning, would that be more of a benefit or hassle in the longrun? Thanks

  • @ActBreaker
    @ActBreaker Год назад

    Very frustrating how power storage and grid integration is such a universal problem. That's what sucks the most resources and maintenance cost.

  • @gearstil
    @gearstil 4 года назад

    Where all the water cames from ? Is there a begin of this serie? Is there pluvial source water?

    • @michaelbamber4887
      @michaelbamber4887 4 года назад

      It's a river running through his garden, sent down a channel into the pipe work.

  • @alargebeaver
    @alargebeaver 4 года назад

    Nice progress!

  • @MsLampalampa
    @MsLampalampa 4 года назад +31

    Wouldn't it work better if that box was round ?
    I feel like when that water hits the edge of that box it splashes and that would be unnecessary resistence for that wheel.
    Just a theory

  • @JumpMasterJef
    @JumpMasterJef 4 года назад +155

    Started watching your videos 2 years ago with the Micro Hydro Water Wheel, you've come a long way mate.
    Never wanted a river to run through my garden so much.

    • @angryjoshi165
      @angryjoshi165 4 года назад +8

      KaShuto lol.... I'm moving soon because my old house is on its end and guess what's 100 meters away...

  • @KrisHarbour
    @KrisHarbour 4 года назад +77

    Nice to see it running with a good output. i think the gain you are seeing there isnt to do with the size, in fact the larger turbine would be less efficient. its because the smaller one has to few spoons and the jet skips the gap. with your high head and low flow a small amount of water is a lot of energy and the biger turbine has the correct spacing of spoons so that the jet does not miss momentarily. That is where i think that gain came from. i think you would get a bigger gain if the smaller turbine was sized to your nozzles with the correct number of spoons.

    • @JoeMalovich
      @JoeMalovich  4 года назад +18

      Congrats on 100k! It's nice to see you drop by once in a while. I'm excited to see how your wind turbine works out.
      The smaller one still wasn't the right diameter for my PMA. It was spinning so quickly that my open circuit volts were exceeding my charge controller maximum, I was seeing 209VDC and over 3200 RPM. I'm trying to design it so that if it ever runs unloaded that it won't self-destruct or fry something. Noise and vibrations were excessive as well. It's a physical impossibility to mount more spoons on the smaller one without cutting modifying the mounting ears on the spoons. This is why I went with a larger runner, Spencer is still flummoxed that I'm getting such high RPM from the big runner too! It's just difficult to grasp the pressure I'm working with.
      The larger diameter does help with the spoon engagement arc or whatever the technical term would be. With the larger runner I'm at 2020rpm and 128VDC open circuit and 1020RPM and 69VDC loaded which I feel are far less extreme numbers. As I recall from earlier conversations you operate yours at about 700rpm so mine is still 30% faster. I think the gain came from less friction losses due to a lower rpm and less windage due to a larger housing, and maybe better jet alignment with no blowby.

    • @KrisHarbour
      @KrisHarbour 4 года назад +4

      @@JoeMalovich Thanks, im actually closer to 150k now :)
      If it would be any help to you i can work out what your rpm would be at any head and turbine pcd. the one you are using must be around 350mm to get that rpm.
      my system runs at about 1000 rpm loaded, and around twice that unloaded. but that changes depending on flow losses. but around 100rpm. my turbine would do 4100rpm unloaded with your presure.

    • @JoeMalovich
      @JoeMalovich  4 года назад +1

      @@KrisHarbour Thanks for the offer about calculations, I'm pretty good with numbers though.

    • @Robuster82
      @Robuster82 3 года назад +2

      @@KrisHarbour - would there be loss caused by the water bouncing off the turbine turbine housing and back into the turbine.
      The water appears almost to hit the spoons at right angles.
      I would have thought a circular turbine housing allowing for the spent water to exit without hitting the spoons - causing back pressure.

    • @KrisHarbour
      @KrisHarbour 3 года назад

      @@Robuster82 With a pelton turbine yes. as the water is flung off the turbine. with a turgo much less so as the water is directed downward and out the bottom. It is only a very small amount though even for pelton turbines. The best shape of housing for a pelton is curved and vertical for this reason. the shape of housing used for this turbine is much more suited to a turgo.

  • @jmedlock95
    @jmedlock95 4 года назад +77

    your getting a lot of turbulence from the box being square, i feel a circular housing would increase your efficiency by 20%?

    • @akunog2708
      @akunog2708 4 года назад +4

      @Logic Hurts Idiots at least he didn't make the last your into you're, he's got half of it right

    • @bmoesucka8619
      @bmoesucka8619 4 года назад +9

      Heads Mess what abt the back splash of waisted jet energy i would think a round Design would create less drag on opposite of spoons.

    • @jmedlock95
      @jmedlock95 4 года назад +8

      @Logic Hurts Idiots those who attack a persons argument solely on grammar or syntax, in truth, have no argument. What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. haha

    • @NeoIsrafil
      @NeoIsrafil 4 года назад +1

      @Heads Mess honestly yah... I'd smooth the corners of the box too, and angle them down the drain so that splash back isnt happening. A couple 3d printed radius could do it.

  • @karelbadjakker1296
    @karelbadjakker1296 4 года назад +22

    What about a used EV battery? You could probably get power your house with peaks mostly of that battery even if it's only 5kwh

  • @David..
    @David.. 4 года назад +21

    I’m a cyclist and I guess that Watts portion of the title pulled this into my feed, since I train and race with a powermeter. Had no idea what the hell you were talking at the beginning but stayed until the end and fascinating.

  • @dominicmeier5721
    @dominicmeier5721 4 года назад +236

    I think you should make the housing round, and possibly perforated so the water can exit the turbine radially with minimal interaction on the turbine wheel itself.

    • @ThriftStoreHacker
      @ThriftStoreHacker 4 года назад +28

      I agree. The corners are causing lots of cavitation.

    • @Bahnamoon
      @Bahnamoon 4 года назад +5

      He should 3d print one!

    • @KatYouT1811
      @KatYouT1811 4 года назад +2

      2 volute scrolls of 180⁰ length will help. But I'll guess a max gain of 10 to 20W of power.

    • @jokergs3
      @jokergs3 4 года назад +2

      Yassss definitely an upgrade

    • @Kesiif
      @Kesiif 4 года назад +1

      Using a hexagon you could eject the water through the corners.

  • @bpark10001
    @bpark10001 4 года назад +299

    Your Pelton wheel is flooded! Nost of the "power" generated is churning water around in the chamber. Pelton wheels are designed to be totally free of water except for the jet impingement. The "chamber" should be "NOT". It should be totally open to the lower water reservoir. Ideally water will exit in streams in the opposite direction from the jets.

    • @bastiannenke7101
      @bastiannenke7101 4 года назад +22

      Couldn he just make a bigger and higher box? Maybe only higher to give the water more room to exit.

    • @TiredOfY
      @TiredOfY 4 года назад +22

      The problem is that he has the hoses shooting water straight at the Pelton wheel which makes the water in turn shoot up and down out of the spoon blades...his hoses should shoot at the top side of the blade so the water shoots into the wall at a lower level than the wheel instead of up and falling back on it and creating unnecessary friction.
      Also in a design like this where the wheel is in the horizontal the bottom side doesn't need to be spoon-like..since it's going straight into a pit.
      Pelton is better suited for vertical designs to get the water shot away from the wheel..that's why both sides are spoon-like. He's losing power by having the bottom blade be spoony instead of a straight blade right into the pit

    • @DrTheRich
      @DrTheRich 4 года назад +6

      @@TiredOfY I was thinking exactly the same while watching this and i don't even know anything about pelton wheels

    • @MmeHyraelle
      @MmeHyraelle 4 года назад +4

      Yea it felt slowed down by the ambiant slushing of water. Need more optimisation indeed.

    • @tonychen76
      @tonychen76 4 года назад +3

      I agree. As for how to optimize the turbine to prevent sloshing, consider redoing the turbine set-up so that it's vertical rather than horizontal, with the jet hitting the bottom of the turbine. The water then will immediately go down into the reservoir instead of sloshing around. EDIT: Nevermind, if you're moving to Turgo turbine then that's simpler.

  • @MrPizzaman09
    @MrPizzaman09 4 года назад +19

    I would recommend opening and closing the main valves from the penstock a bit slower to not have such large pressure spikes as seen on your gauge. I would hate to see you break the pipe somewhere from either a pressure spike or it rubbing against a rock as it grows/contracts under pressure.

  • @kapegede
    @kapegede 4 года назад +42

    Wago connectors are the best. They are keeping my whole electricity together. Congrats to your 25 % upgrade!

    • @petrbenda5017
      @petrbenda5017 4 года назад

      yes the are best, no stupid screws like chocolate block

  • @geoh7349
    @geoh7349 4 года назад +52

    you have too much water staying up inside the box after hitting the wheel.

    • @SgtPickledic
      @SgtPickledic 4 года назад +14

      Agreed, should be circular shape not a box, doing so would assist in making the water go down, like a funnel/corkscrew. Putting Corkscrew type fins in the bottom of the shoot would force the water out faster as well.. I bet it would spin much faster. Kinda like a Turbo.

  • @johnwinfield8586
    @johnwinfield8586 4 года назад +17

    I'd like to see that water wheel coupled to a one foot diameter stator, larger circumference equals faster speeds past coils

  • @ЕвгенийЛетуновский-ч9й

    The box must be round! Water eddies in the corners, counteract rotation!

    • @TeknoMastah
      @TeknoMastah 3 года назад

      there is no box in round, cause it called "BOX"

  • @bentheguru4986
    @bentheguru4986 4 года назад +24

    I cringe when I keep seeing ball-valves used.... Change to a gate valve on outside of box, use second inside to stop water after the T-piece and guage. You can then allow bypass water while working on it to avoid freeze. 3-pin Anderson connector of even Banana Plugs make for fast electrical. The box while being temporary looks like plenty of waste water is falling back on to the wheel and will be making parasitic drag. Possible option in your box, put ledge side around the entire inside wall, use a full-size peice of polycarbonate to mount the turbine and alternator. Jets will need their own bolted mounts but least the spent water will be thrown well away from the wheel. Upgrade your cabling, you have gone a lot lower on volatge thus current has risen, over a long run, losses will increase.

    • @howardsimpson489
      @howardsimpson489 Месяц назад

      Properly sized ball valves have the least hydraulic loss thru them This matters at high water velocity. Substituting gate valves will make a real reduction in a system that is efficient.

  • @ThisRandomUsername
    @ThisRandomUsername 4 года назад +8

    This probably isn't a problem at ~40A, but it might be worth looking into:
    I can't remember if you've mentioned in your past videos about the wire guage from the water wheel (I haven't actually watched all of them if I'm honest), but now that you've got less rpms on the same alternator, you're going to be more dependant on the resistivity of the cables themselves (less rpm = less voltage, more current -> more voltage drop). If you're ever going to re-wire the cables in the ground, maybe consider putting in some sense wires to run parallel to your main current carrying wires just to compare the voltage drop across them at the charge controller.

  • @redeyedray6376
    @redeyedray6376 3 года назад +1

    wheel is too heavy?

  • @peteconwaymusic6500
    @peteconwaymusic6500 3 года назад +15

    The key with those Pelton wheels is having the jet stream lined up perfectly to transfer maximum force/efficiency onto the cups. They are also designed to have the water speed almost match the wheel speed so that all the force of the water is transferred into rotational motion - the water should fall downwards from the wheel. So any kind of housing should be circular but with space around the wheel. Hope that helps. Cool design!

    • @philmicuchie7729
      @philmicuchie7729 Год назад +5

      Actually for maximum efficiency the Velocity of the bucket should be half of velocity of jet due to Eulers terminal machinery equation

    • @bousce2170
      @bousce2170 Год назад +1

      @@philmicuchie7729 I second this Phil!

    • @Enonymouse_
      @Enonymouse_ 10 месяцев назад

      So approximately toroidal in shape.

    • @byugrad1024
      @byugrad1024 4 месяца назад +1

      If the velocity of the wheel was the same as the velocity of the stream, then no significant force would be imparted onto the wheel. Something is wrong with your understanding of physics.

    • @howardsimpson489
      @howardsimpson489 Месяц назад

      The water should be left with no energy, ie stationary. It should be free to just drop out of the way. The turbulence in your housing is evidence of huge losses. I used Fisher and Paykel smart drive alternators from NZ. These have a rotor that can be withdrawn from the stator so the load can be controlled for speed matching. They are good for 1000 watts at about 1200 rpm, output at approx 450V three phase. Switchmode power supplies can deliver low voltage for batteries much simpler than MPPT. We lived off grid on three of these for 15 years in NZ. They also work well at low rpm, say 200 charging 24V DC with just a bridge rectifier..

  • @artolauri
    @artolauri 4 года назад +2

    * Nice machine this is. * Ja nyt sitten folks laitetaan Arto Lauri erinomainen RUclips kanava tilaukseen. Niin tonne itselle, kuin myös kavereille myös.

  • @fernandotomaz2554
    @fernandotomaz2554 4 года назад +13

    The first time I'm watching this setup, congrats, this installation is one the cleanest I've seen so far. everything looks so good and easy.

  • @hervevdb
    @hervevdb 4 года назад +6

    I would replace your square box for a round one to improve the water flow velocity and turbulences.

    • @aksalmusti
      @aksalmusti 4 года назад +1

      Yeah he is right. Please send another vldeo to change rectangular box to circular turning chamber. You will get more energy

  • @Quonzer
    @Quonzer 4 года назад +7

    We need to get this guy a quality-made steel turbine of the right size.

  • @Jped277
    @Jped277 4 года назад +7

    Where does the water come from?

  • @ThingsWhichArentWork
    @ThingsWhichArentWork 4 года назад +5

    Hi Joe - I was wondering if a close-fitting circular shroud (i..e a bent bit of sheet metal) within housing plywood for the turbine might improve the efficiency even further (you'd have to have gaps to let the jet spray in of course). There's quite a lot of empty space within the housing so those Pelton buckets will be wasting a little energy circulating it around. If you could reduce the amount of air that the buckets are moving around then you might gain a couple of extra watts. (Much the same as how the pitch of a vacuum cleaner goes up when you block the hose.. less air is moving, so less work is done so the motor and it will spin up to a higher RPM). Cheers!!

  • @МагаТаксебе
    @МагаТаксебе 3 года назад +1

    Скажите пожалуйста, где можно заказать такое колесо турбины ?

  • @anthonylosego
    @anthonylosego 4 года назад +6

    Call me crazy, but wouldn't a round "box" decrease the resistance to flow?

  • @alexyum
    @alexyum 3 года назад +4

    I think it would be helpful to change the shape of the turbine box from cubic to cylindrical with as little extra spacing as possible. By doing so, the water after hitting the turbine could be channeled in a centrifugal motion instead of crashing on the wall of the box. Great video.

  • @mongoose0307
    @mongoose0307 4 года назад +18

    He went to reconnect the water supply and I yelled “did you turn off the water first?!”

  • @tomharrell1954
    @tomharrell1954 4 года назад +1

    I BET A TESSLA TURBINE WOULD WORK ON THAT TOO! It was designed for steam but hi pressure water might work !

  • @ksiegarniaJACKpl
    @ksiegarniaJACKpl 4 года назад +4

    Hey Joe! Can you give the name of these hydraulic connectors? A very nice system that facilitates quick and easy connection ...

    • @MaxUgly
      @MaxUgly 4 года назад

      I think they are called sanitary fittings

    • @JoeMalovich
      @JoeMalovich  4 года назад

      or tri-clamp fittings

    • @ksiegarniaJACKpl
      @ksiegarniaJACKpl 4 года назад

      @@JoeMalovich Thank You!