I can't believe this happened to me again! SO FRUSTRATED!!!!!!!
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- It happened to me again! I don't know what it's going to take to stop this from happening but it is really getting on my nerves.
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The more I watch Jay the more impressed I am with his water cooling and the Less I ever want to do any kind of water cooling.
To be fair, I've watercooled with clear fluid, and ZMT flexible black tubing and have zero issues. It looks industrial though rather than the pretty hard lined builds Jay does.
I hate water cooling and it is overrated. Stick with Air cooling or sealed AIO
@@AnonymousUser-ww6ns I'm with you. 👍
I have ran water for 20 years. I have always ran soft tubing and Valvoline Zerex at a 10/90 ratio to distilled water. I'm still running the same Laing D5 Vario pump and Swiftech MCR-220 radiator in my current PC that I bought in 2004 to build my first loop. I have never had any of the problems Jay has, and I have to assume he continues to use garbage pre-mixed PC coolants despite all the problems solely for views and controversy in the comments.
If you use automotive anti-freeze and EPDM based soft tubing, your loop will last indefinitely, and you can feel free to push maintenance periods out to ~5 years, or just whenever you do upgrades or a new build.
I know, I just watched Jay with the kit, and he said let me know if this makes you more or less likely to do water cooling. There are always videos like this to remind me of the answer. To be clear, because that is one of the top 20 most beautiful PCs I have ever seen, the answer is still no. But man I thought about it at 13:56.
Jay's experiences with opaque fluids are EXACTLY why I only use clear coolant.
I would hesitate to admit to having "experiences with opaque fluids".
The look of them is never worth the maintenance.
@@Dexx1s and they are impossible to completely flush. clear coolant after that will always have a slight haze to it unless you replace all parts, including fittings.
@@ledoynier3694 and they're more expensive than distilled + biocide. I'm more of a black tube guy so I can't even see the fluid anyway.
@@ledoynier3694 Same with dyed/colored coolants. I tried out red for a little while, and it stained my carpet. Trying to flush it out of the loop was painful. After 10 flushes with just distilled water, I just left it slightly tinged red for several more changes, until I finally had to change all my blocks out for new hardware. Now it's clear again, but the only things left of the old loop are some old fittings.
Always remember Ben Heck's lesson #1: Design things which can be easily taken apart later.
That’s the main reason I got rid of my Parvum case, it’s a pain in the ass to do any type of maintenance without having to fully disassemble. My jonsplus i100 pro is much easier to work on
@TheOfficialFloridaMan that's why I got the haf700, I love working in this case. Everything is really easy to access
Yeah, you can either build a show piece or build for maintainability. I just use black soft tubes and clear, colourless fluid. Put a fill port at the highest point and a drain port at the lowest and you're golden. RBG isn't a headache either because there isn't any.
That's the reason I'll never have a custom loop water cooling setup again. Had one in the mid 2000's and it was a royal pain to deal with if you had to take it apart. Not worth it at all.
@@TonyM-zi9rq They can be quite easy to work on if you design for maintainability. Add fill and drain ports, add some slack to the soft tubes so you can move components around and avoid coloured fluids.
Obviously, it's never going to be as easy as air cooling but on the flipside, my system is barely audible under full load.
The channel known for water cooling has always done a great job in making me feel good about my choice to never water cool my pc.
Signed, the Air Cool Gang
Yea, it's such a pain in the ass. I fail to see why anyone who doesn't actually need it would want to deal with all of that bs.
Exactly this.
Maybe people will realize that Jay really does not know a damn thing.
@@wll1130 it's an art. It's not about need.
And I got roasted for having the ugliest PC in the world that I can take apart in a matter of seconds. I feel like there's a middle ground between your build and mine for people that still have some sanity left 😅
Awesome video as always!
No way, the Greatest Technician that ever lived
When it comes from people who spends more time making their tools look like a kids toy than they do using it, its a compliment. A PC is a tool, and what makes a good tool, is everything but looks.
Every single dollar and every minute spent on RGB, parts with custom paint job, chrome finish and what not, could have gone towards improving reliability, performance, maintenance free operation, memory compatibility and QC of bios and drivers. Time spent by end user could have been spent on improving and/or acquiring new skills. Be it gaming, engineering or general life skills.
In short: They would have been smarter and they would have had a faster, more more reliable PC.
@Jay: Shame on you for encouraging the bright but easily influenced young people to this.. WOMBAT.
This is why I don't bother water cooling anything anymore.
Water cooling is really just air cooling with extra steps (because the heat ultimately has to go into the air for rejection to the ambient environment) and, frustratingly, a lot of extra stupid and extra expensive busywork.
And with air coolers being as well-designed and having as much thermal capacity as they do these days, the differences are mostly down to being marginal. Really it's a no-brainer.
I notice a huge difference with noise. And less ambient heat. No way I'm going back to air cooling.
@@spongesurf The placebo effect (a very real thing) notwithstanding, it's literally not possible you'd objectively have less ambient heat either way. The CPU/GPU don't know or care what you're cooling them with, they produce the same heat load either way so it's the same amount of heat that ultimately has to be rejected out of your system to the ambient environment.
Less noise? Maybe, but noise is always an "it depends" thing and at the end of the day you're the one in control of your fan speeds so noise is really on you and your preferences in balancing noise vs. temperature.
@@wasd____ A LOT less noise. That was my biggest grief. But ambient temps as well. Water reacts differently to temp fluctuations. Look it up. Been aircooled all my pc gaming life. Once I switched to full water loop it is no comparison. Same case similar builds in same game room with same AC temps.
@@spongesurf It's a lot less noise... until the moment the pump develops a rattle. Someting that i learned NZXT Kraken AIOs are VERY prone to do. Generally the pumps are the achilles heel of any loop. If you take a dual to air cooler with dual 140mm fans in push pull, like the Noctua NH-15D or similar ones from other manufacturers, you won't hear all that much and if one fan fails, the cooling will still be ok-ish until your replacement fan arrives.
I copied jays whole build in 2017, and I’m going back to air for my next build.
I don’t want to worry about a possible leak, despite NEVER having had one.
Just the idea, is too much for me
RGB is a double edged sword for me. The way it looks, when it works properly is glorious. On the wiring and software side of things, lies the bane of my existence, an otherworldy hellscape. I managed to get my rgb setup to work with one software only and that is a bliss. Once you start mixing several rgb eco systems you are in for a world of hurt and desperation.
SignalRGB saved me, i dont need to have anything bloatware related to have installed anymore (asus, logitech, gskill crap), all of them just sync up nicely even 12volt rgb together with the 5volt argb makes good effects like waves of blue and red i have set up (ton of customs even reacting to ingame stuff), but only after windows sets up, until then its going rainbow puke (which can be turned off bios site but i like it^^) but i have half of the rgb jay have, so im thankfull
Ive always had rgb die or bug out, like even on the gpu. Now I just keep everything off and use noctuas
I don't even see my pc from my desk so there's no rgb in it whatsoever :)
@@Xenoray1 I've tried Open, Signal, MSI Mystic Light, ICue, I just cannot get one app to control all my RGB. I have the Montech King 95 Pro case, and the case fan lights are the real problem ones. Plus my Galax 4070 has to have its own app to work the RGB. I would really like to get one program to control these lights. I think it may be the Montech case fan hub, I was thinking of trying some other hub. I did get some sort of message when trying to use the Signal RGB, something about a channel wasn't recognized?? I went to their website and tried their troubleshooting tips, still nothing. This case looks amazing, its just too much work to sync the RGB like this. The 4070 does have an RGB output connecter, I can see if it came with the plug and wire the hub up from there, but then Id have another wire running out of my GPU. OP is right, RGB can be very frustrating.
The industry needs to get their excrement together and agree on a unified standard for RGB device communication and interface. A USB type standard, if you will.
Phil's laugh in the background ALWAYS kills me😂
Seeing all those fan cables makes me even more grateful for how simple Lian Li makes fan management with the link together system
I have 3 brands of fans in my system, thankfully they are all either Lian Li or have very short cables designed for daisy chainning. That makes cable management that much easier and neater compared to my older systems where each damned fan had 2 long calbes coming off of it.
10 lian li fans in my system 1 controller and software that actually works
I'm glad I went with Lian Li also. My rig is riddled with Lian Li/EK. I have their collab distro plate in an o-11 D-Evo.
@@peterpeter5666 I had ten when I was running 12th gen i9 and an AIO. I of course went insane, got a 14th gen i9, threw a mortgage payment at EK and now I'm running six fans.
@@daviddesrosiers1946 same case no distro. was too expensive and difficult to get one in canada
This is exactly why I don't have any of this crap on my custom system. Performance is worth way more than "pretty"!
Jay, put some heat shrink tubbing on the brush fleck shaft, this will protect the threads of the fittings hole and the anodizing when cleaning things, I've used similar brush styles and the spring coil will wear a groove into soft aluminum and plastics, all now prevented for $1 worth of heat shrink tube
i must say i worried seeing that and hearing the sawing noise.
This applies to us, but realistically to content creators, it doesn't matter. He'll replace it before that happens
A testament on how the hassle is not worth water cooling.
At this point, i'm surprised you haven't just sourced frosted tubes and reservoirs. It'd give you a similar look with just water and (optionally) dye.
Not too hard to frost them yourself.
Scotchbright pad and a few minutes of elbow grease and everything he already has can be frosted.
With just water you will have growth in no time. Another issue would be galvanic corrosion. No matter how pure that water is - there will be spores in the air that is in the system prior to fill. And if you have a mix of metals - aluminium, copper and steel - it will eat through through the aluminium in no time (the least noble of the metals mentioned)
Back in the day (approx 2004) when I built my first and only custom waterloop you could not buy most of the stuff you can buy for this purpose today.
We used engine coolant mixed with de-mineralized water.
This contains mostly propylene glycol - which prevents growth and galvanic corrosion.
BUT - water is the best carrier of heat (unless you can source some heavy water) - so you want to find the ideal mix between water and the coolant.
@@jarls5890thats why they put biocide in the water…
Frost looking tubes, Corsair has and I believe he is using. The reservoir tube is glass. He would have to go acrylic and scotchbright to achieve the same effect on the res.
I hate how the RGB/ARGB connectors are STILL a problem.
They should not be reversible or just fall out because they have no latch or ridge to secure or hold them together.
thirmaltake made latches for them and thay come with there fames
I hate RGB. I insist on having as little RGB in my PC as possible, and I turn off any RGB on devices like RAM and GPU that come with it.
k good 4 u
Jay! Long time fan. I hope you are taking care of your health bro
I'm glad I designed my system without RGB so I don't have to deal this these problems
Be sooo nice to be there and actually learn more. I've been into pcs for about 10 months and your channel was one of the 1st i came across and then many others. Now I can build one from ground up. Watch..seen.asked and researched. I built one for a friend and just saying thank you Jay for all your content. Really Good stuff. I don't subscribe normally but to yours, I did
My advice as someone who used to have a watercooled build. Just don't do it. It's absolutely not worth it.
AIOs are fine of course, but yes, custom loops are simply not worth the extra cost and work they require
Mixing liquid and electronics always seemed to risky for me
@@darkmaster2110 I don't know the current state of AIOs, but they were quite unreliable a few years ago. I even had a case, where a friend of mine had to contact corsair serveral times for a replacement, because of pump failure. The AIO was mounted regulary, on top of the case. That means, that not feeding the pump properly, couldn't be the problem. The performance also wasn't that much better than a good aircooling. I'd probabaly build a custom AIO, if I ever want to get back into watercooling.
Exactly. Save your time, save your money, put it towards a better GPU or CPU.
As someone who has built liquid-cooled systems for myself and others for many years, I wholeheartedly disagree with the "not worth it" sentiment. I don't do hard tubing - only flex tubing. Just that in itself makes a huge difference - flex tubing is nowhere near as difficult as hard tubing, both in the initial build and in maintenance.
With a well-designed loop, the entire system is cooler - not just the CPU and GPU. Plus it runs quieter. And you can run less expensive components but get the performance level of more expensive components. The clock speeds will be higher due to lower temps, thus giving you higher performance.
I hate RGB to the point that I´m not using it at all. "You can have any color, as long as it´s black."
Change the fluid out completely Jay, the CUMputer needs a different color
You recently asked why not more people try custom water cooling. Well that's another reason. There's so much maintenance and points of failure.
The maintenance isn't nearly as bad if you stick to distilled water with biocide. Opaque fluid falling out is a known issue, and isn't recommended to run long term.
@@BobBobson there is near no issue in simply swapping a broken fan from a heatsink that will never fail you
Watercooling is way less maintenance than aircooling. a coolant change per year, 5 minutes job if you didn't skimp on a drain port. Radiators are easier to dust too and don't clog as fast.
But.. if you use opaque coolants, absolutely, it's a nightmare.. coolant change = take the whole loop apart, brush waterblocks, brush fittings, brush reservoir, take pump apart to clean the ceramic bearing and maybe replace it because those damn particles erode the rotor.. It's aircooling cleanup with watercooling costs.
@@ledoynier3694 There are billions of aircooling systems running for years without any maintenance. Just think of all the office PCs that no one takes care of. Water cooling is certainly not less maintenance than air cooling. Just look at this channel how many videos has Jay made about issues with water cooling and how many about issues with air cooling.
If you prep your loop correctly maintenance isn't a chore, i have Mayhems xtr uv purple in my system now and it's been in there for just over two years dealing with over 650 watts of heat. There are zero signs of fallout and discolouring and my temperatures are just as good the day i cleaned and refilled and it looks absolutely beautiful under UV light. The only thing there is really is some evaporation which you'll get with any fluid.
When 1 ball is working better than the other one
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Yeah, now I know why you kinda leaning left a bit when you're standing or walking.
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Maybe you should find out how balls work...
Thanks for this. Just made my strong feelings against custom loops even stronger. I really-really don't feel the need to screw myself in every orifice by making such a loop ever.
Same happened to me, this EKWB mystig fog shit fogged my whole system... Switched to DP Ultra - best move I've done tbh
DP Ultra is good but you can't flush it down the drain because of ethylene glycol. I've been using XSPC's Pure clear for about 2 years now which you can dispose normally and I've been happy with it.
Yeah, DP Ultra is probably the best fluid you can buy. I've had it in my loop for years together with EPDM rubber tubing from EK (I'll give them that, ZMT tubing is a really good product) and Watercool. It's not fancy, but it makes no trouble and therefore is absolutely reliable. Even after years, the blocks were clean like new ones. But I had my fair share of trouble with other fluids and tubing before I switched to DP Ultra.
I tried CryoFuel Mystic Fog once and only once. I ended up going back to just distilled water with biocide and anti-corrosion (added again every 3-or-so months). Sadly, I had a feeling that Jay might've been using it when I saw the loop, and I cringed a bit once he mentioned it.
Pro tip: that is what maintenance hatches are for ;-)
Reasons why I dont like watercooling:
1. very expensive
2. very very expensive
3. maintenance intensive
4. very very very expensive
But I am not a cc so it is annoying for him to do this again but at least he can create something for the channel. And probably I am too poor to understand the reasons of watercooling.
Jay, I've had this happen to me a few times as well. What I believe the issue is, is that EKs CPU water blocks have their fins very close together, so close in fact that particulate get stuck between the fins. I have an Barrowch CPU block (free hand-me-down) and it has been serving me fine. The fins on that block are farther apart than EKs, and I've realized real quick that I had no more 'fallout' over time. This is also why only your CPU loop is affected, the GPU fins are also much farther apart and allow all the particulates to flow freely between them.
Everyone always thinks they are gonna be the exception with Mystic Clog, but you never will be. Pastel coolants will fall out and this is one of the worst.
I hate RGB so much, I'd rather use my 90s tower than buying any modern case with RGB preinstalled.
I'm in the midst of a clean/flush/swap cycle right now. Opaque/cloudy fluids look cool, but I only run clear because I don't like the buildup.
There was a post from EK on their mystic fog and it separating, they advised to NOT flush with distilled water as it messes with balance. They advise to flush with just clear cryo fuel once or twice after distilled water
not a bad idea to push more fluid sales lol
Liquid cooled PCs make me chuckle. The futility of chasing such a fleeting state of maximum performance among hardware peers is astounding.
I'm honestly shocked that they would make a connector that not only can be plugged in backwards, but causes damage if you do.
What you meant to say was that you're not surprised Jay plugged it in backwards ... it's like saying you're surprised you can plug the power cord into itself.
@@jakajese5160 every other connector in a modern computer is keyed so that it can't be plugged in wrong and break something. an increase in customer support calls costs a hell of a lot more than making the connector not able to be plugged in backwards.
@@grants7390 Agreed. I'm having a hard time coming up with any other electronics which allow for such mistakes. Most electrical outlets and plugs even come with one side bigger than the other, so there's no mistaking which way it goes in the hole.
@@grants7390 news flash, D-RGB connectors are keyed, but if you're a dofus and plug the source into itself, then I don't think you should be building computers and especially shouldn't be showing/teaching other people how to do stuff on youtube or anywhere for that matter.
@@jakajese5160 11:00 that's not a D-RGB connector. there are 4 pins. D-RGB connectors have 3 pins. it's a 12v RGB header connector.
No RGB, no clear anything, automotive coolant. Life is simple.
So why would I ever want to water cool my PC? It looks like an absolute nightmare for maintenance and troubleshooting.
It is, you don't. Water cooling is for people who have too much time on their hands. There is virtually zero advantage over an all in one or heck, barely any advantage over air cooling.
It sounds like you wouldn't. As for the benefits, that's a simple Google search.
Because water cooling looks cool and works well. Custom loops are really for people who want them, if you want the function without the hassle just get an AIO
Because it's highly customizable, and looks cool when everything it set up. You don't have to get the stupid water cooling if you don't wanna.
You wouldn't. Unless you were planning on doing some kind of completely insane and completely unnecessary overclock.
had this mystic fog in 3 systems simultanly, perfektly cleaned, flushed on tap at sink first with cold and warm water for ages, then used ek cleaning set multiple times and so on.. every 2-3 weeks i noticed colordrop and needed to add stuff... after colored stuff and this im on only clear for life now..
I hate RGB enough that I'll pay extra for parts without it.
I still can't believe I decided to go full r3t4r and do a full rgb watercooled pc. My next build is going to be inside the fractal pop mini silent, no water, no lights, pure raw performance in the smallest case possible.
@@foehammerTrance politically correct way to say r-e,tar|ded (also can't be banned lol)
Jay and crew you guys are great not looking for any sympathy, but I just came out of brain surgery day before yesterday be catching up on your videos and you guys put a smile on my face every day. Just watching you guys work that tho the projects and all. An wanted to give you thank you for all the funny videos and pro tip. If it wasn’t for you 3. I probably would’ve made some big mistakes in my builds. An here it is!!!! THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart! Keep up the great videos please. No this is the only common I’ve ever made on any channel!!
Clearly what this build needs is a couple AquaComputer Farbwerk 360s.
And some boba!
I always love your "issue fixing" videos, because whereas you give great advice in all your videos (well, almost all), these are the ones where I learn the most.
I've not built a watercooled system yet, but next one may be first I try - so before I start buying parts, I'm very happy for all input I can find on what to avoid, what to look out for and - should anything come up - how to fix it easily and quickly. The first thing I learn from this is: Make all parts easy to access and, ideally, easy to get out and/or replace. The second: Don't use ASUS (which I've already decided after I finished - more or less - my current system. Had random system lockups for almost a year until finally some firmware update fixed that, and it was 100% ASUS Armory Crate that caused the problems (when I kicked that, the freezes stopped, when I re-installed it, they were back). Another thing I'm learning is that frosted liquid looks cool, but also can cause problems, so for my first wc build I'll propably stick to clear.
Me when first getting RGB: nice! beautiful! work of art!
After 3 days, I turned all my RGB off. They're either OFF or only on a Solid White.
Meanwhile philips hue lights can dance to music...
Edit: coming from the PC.
I use this stuff once and I had fall out within 24-hours and complete Fallout within 3 days on a new properly prepped EK system.
It cost a lot of issues because it got stuck in the sins of the heat plate in both the GPU and CPU and it took a very long time to clean out and then of course the radiators and everything.
I was lucky and for my trouble EK sent me two times the fluid that I purchased and in a different color that wasn't pastel as well as two clear premixes and a full roll of replacement tubing.
So I learned the hard way not to use Mystic fog because so many people have problems with it I have three friends that have used it and they all had the same issue however I do know online there are some people that have won several months with it working just fine
I hate RGB. Aside from eye sensativity, I keep my room lights off most of the time, the RGB is distracting. Even running a dark purple theme, can be too bright to not be distracting. I have even gone so far, when I can't avoid having an RGB what ever in the case of covering the tempered glass with Limo Tint.
Good ol Skunkworks
you know the draw back to the cpu running to cold is it allowed the growth to form in the cpu loop the gpu loop runs to hot and kills off any growth when it runs preventing growth to get out of hand you know🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Im so glad I dont care what my pc looks like. This seems like such a pain in the ass for something I would get really tired of looking at really quick.
It's like having an aquarium... Awesome, so long as you can pay someone else to maintain it for you. I'll stick with an AIO.
Poor Jay, things just don't want to work out for him sometimes. Don't worry, it will get better.
These videos are the reason I don’t bother with water cooling
This is a custom loop
One of the most beautifully assembled computers.
Jay: “seizuring”
Webster Dictionary: “seizing”
Not nearly enough "clean up" videos when it comes to hard line custom cooling - thank you for making this. There's so much content for making one - not much about upkeeping them.
I hate unicorn vomit. It's getting harder to find parts without it
Funny thing is, and wait for it.....
You can actually CHANGE the colors 🤯
I know, shocking.
@MaddJakd wow, you don't say 🙄
@@gkipp3924 your type always wanna chime in as if your stance is something original or so.ething to behold. Don't get mad when you get a reality check.
@MaddJakd not mad, nor do I take anything your type has to say serious. If you want a rainbow rig, have at it I don't
@MaddJakd Jay asked the question, your dumb sarcasm was not needed, hence the eye roll, but good for you, thinking someone is mad lol
This video was great in solidifying my mentality of only air cooling my builds.
Is it possible to put a few drops of chlorine in a loop? It may be a stupid question but I'm just learning and know nothing about the subject. Thanks
There are already growth inhibitors in it. Chlorine would just dissipate as it reacts with light.
Get a darn Farbwerk RGB from Aqua Computer. They even have overload protection.
the greatest technician that ever lived
Audio technician?
Bro! Its been like 5 years since I been here. Rockin that gamer body ma boi...
Damn, Jay gaining weight.
Open RGB has been the best solution I've found, I tried signal for a while but it's more resource intensive and I still encountered issues with my RAM. Open RGB does not have the most polished UI and you do need a plugin to get advanced effects but once you tackle the learning curve it's well worth the time investment.
I hate RGB enough that I have NEVER had it in ANY of my systems; I've been building since the late 90's
Yes, I hate RGB with a passion. It's always a rat's nest no matter how long I take or how good I am about actually trying to manage the wires. That's why I'm so excited about Corsair LINK for my next build. Their pump/res combos, CPU plates and GPU blocks all communicate together, so I think they'll look and behave amazingly. Let's just hope v2.0 actually allows them to LINK instead of have to split!
"The pump" "the fluid" i love this channel, and i also can't stop sounding like Arnold in my head, when i hear few of these computer words 😂😂
4:16 I have to LMAO. That sound reminds me so much of the rooter tool I used to clean out my bathroom sink pipe.
I’m really glad you made this video. I’m planning a pc build and wanted all white rgb. Something that slipped my mind that you mentioned is white uses all the rgb colors so that draws more power. That is something I never considered and will definitely make sure I don’t run into rgb overload.
I quit using tinted liquids a very long time ago. I just gave up. Just plain distilled water. No more build ups, no more fuss.
The research I was doing into 'fallout' was indicating that it is to do with the PH of different water around the world as to why some people get fallout while others do not. In short the particles in suspension are in suspension because they are electrically charged and repel each other. The wrong PH messes up this effect causing the particles to fallout. Apparently using the manufacturer's cleaning kits will change the PH of your loop to something compatible with the fluid. This could just be a way of selling you an expensive cleaning kit though.
This is pretty much why I haven't gone to a custom loop yet. I realize it's unlikely to occur, but especially with any fluid that isn't clear distilled water, buildup and issues are bound to happen, and it's generally a massive pain to disassemble. I definitely want to do a custom loop one day, as a PC builder of 15+ years, but it'll have to be a showcase build, not my daily runner. That fan wiring is also why I'll be moving from my Corsair fans, even though I love the HD's, to the Lian Li system.
This is why I will stick with air cooling and no rgb. I only have rgb on my ram
I had a loop with EK stuff I built in 2018, using EK concentrate with anti-growth stuff. I had that loop running for 4 years with no growth or issues, only the occasional top off with distilled water. Fast forward to 2022 same setup changed out the fluid with the same concentrate and nothing but growth and problems had to disassemble my distro, blocks and everything and tried again. 3 months later same thing. I was basically done with watercooling after that.
Built my first PC with RGB last year. 8 months on now and it's starting to wear on me. Currently it's all turned off. I want to re-do it to be more subtle and kind of out of sight, but then I'd have to touch the cabling and I think "is it really worth getting in all that?"
Watching people make hardline cooling rigs has both inspired me to make my own, and kept me from making the mistake of making my own. I made one soft tubing rig that I loved, and will be sticking with air cooled or AIO for the remainder of my life. This hardline stuff seems like an intermittent nightmare.
My loop starting growing gunk with EK Cryofuel Clear in less than a year.
Also my EK leak tester was leaking, imagine what frustration i went through until i figured that out.
I have nothing but EK Fittings, tubing, coolant and 2 D5 pumps and I'm so done with that crap of a company.
So as awesome as it all is and amazing as it all looks. Jay has convinced me never to do custom loops.
Getting the RGB to work right was probably the most frustrating part of my first build. Took the longest too. Not as scary as the whole system rebooting when I plugged in my headsets. but VERY frustrating. And I don't even have a lot of RGB, just the front fans, cooler fans, and ram.
I went with air cooling for my custom PC build along with a single RGB platform for ease of customization. 4 months of heavy use so far and 0 issues. Only maintenance needed is cleaning the case fan filters every 2 months.
Been using the mystic fog (premix only) for about three years without any issues whatsoever. Single loop with 5900x and 3080ftw running unlocked bios. Both have Optimus blocks. Dual 360mm radiators (45mm and 60mm thick). Never had any fallout or buildup in the loop. No clue what happened with your CPU loop. I changed the fluid once (redid my loop order) after the first year. Current fluid has been going strong for 2+ years now.
I'm dealing with a semi loose rgb control cable at present... gotta love it.
Why would anyone want to suffer thru this nonsense? AIO for your CPU and stock air coolers for the GPU is the best way to go.
Life finds a way. Even with the grow inhibitors the smallest airgap is enough for something to grow when exposed to light.
This is why I tell people to NEVER do custom watercooling. It is just not worth the hassle. Just get a good AIO and there ya go.
When I look at problems like this, I'm so incredibly glad I decided against LED stuff and an AIO 😅
I don't hate RGB (10 Lian Li Infinity Mirror fans, Lian Li 360 RGB Pull, ASUS Strix 4090, G-Skill rgb, Logitech 915 RGB) All working perfectly with one controller. I love it.
I had a friend run mystic fog 2 different times. Both times the particles fell out of the mixture and gunked his stuff up. I have a crazy water cooled rgb loaded PC built in a thermaltake tower 900 and mystic fog would look SICK. But i have always resisted the temptation because i know how much trouble cleaning it can be when there are problem
We use store bought distilled water and store 2%-3% peroxide in Medical Cooler/Heaters to keep stuff from growing in coolant? You can adjust how much peroxide you use... Works good enough for people...
I've been running their Mystic Fog premix for about 4-5 years now and I've never had an issue with it falling out. I also flush my loop every 2 years and never had an issue with any waterblock i've used across 3 different setups.
I dont even "flush" my radiators with Mayhem's kit. Just boil some water on the stock, a small funnel and fill radiator with the hot water and some vinegar. Let it sit for an hour or two, then flush with cold tap water and do a final flush with distilled using a basic water pump with a hose in the gallon of distilled on the inlet and the rad outlet drains into an empty bucket.
If this is the end for EK - it was fun while it lasted. They made some good stuff. But I do not like how massive their product stack is.
I build open loops for a living in Australia for a PC company, I can clearly say EK fluids have been troublesome for us, so much so that we made the switch to Go Chiller coolants and have had no where near the issues that we did with EK Coolants failing constantly.
We had Mystic fog falling out anywhere from 2 - 3 to 3 to 12 months when we were using it, EK themselves have said it should be good from 6 to 12 months only, before you should change it which really isn't good enough for OEM built systems, hence why we made the shift.
Go Chiller have rated theirs to work up to 3 years, and they are working on one that should last up to 5 years, and I can confidently say that we are yet to see any issues with fallout in any of the systems we have used it in since we started using Go Chiller over a year ago. Opaque and Transparent. Highest end cpus and gpus, highest possible heat exchange etc.
Cheers Jay!. Hope this info helps you move away from Ek fluids, their fluids are really not that great.
Built a new loop for my youngest in the Evo RGB case with EK cpu block, gpu block, O11D distro plate and Lian Li TL/TLCD new fans. RGB is driving me nuts. The loop is excellent and before I started I worked out where the drain plug would go plus ensuring I can remove RAM and the main Nvme SSD without draining the whole system.
Jay, when doing my new PC with RGB I came to the conclusion that all of it sucks. OpenRGB, fans, light bars, especially RGB controllers, and other components with RGB all of it is NOT worth it.
the fans and rgb organization struggle is realz... like seriously. Good luck brother
I often go out of my way to choose products that do NOT have RGB. If they do, I don't do anything with them
Jay It's Great To See That Legend Back On Screen !!!
I was already transferring all my parts to a new case, so it was pretty easy to eliminate a Quantum Velocity 2 AM5 block, a Quantum Vector 2 RX 7900 XTX block, a Quantum Volume FLT 360 reservoir, 2 x Quantum Surface X360M radiators, a Quantum Inertia D5 body, a Loop D5 G3 PWM pump motor, several miscellaneous Torque STC fittings, and EK Mystic Fog coolant from my build. The Mystic Fog fell out in my rig, too. XSPC has their version of the "RGB reactive" coolant called Luminara that I picked up from PPCS. It's part of their Pure line of coolants. I've had good experiences with XSPC coolant in the past. Hopefully, this will be the same.
I love the looks of these custom hardline watercooling loops. But this video nice demonstrates why I'm an aircooled guy (with some AIO exceptions) and always will. I just dont want to deal with this.
Opaque coolant seems like entirely more trouble than it's worth.
And RBG is absolutely more trouble than it's worth.
Also, the white in the system when Jay is talking about the T-Force RAM being too warm all has a lavender/purplish tinge to it rather than being a cool white. The wall and the mouse are white and I'd say the RAM is closest to white in the system.
Jay, having followed Skunkworks journey since her original build back in 2014, I am seriously starting to wonder if she isn't cursed, my man. You have the absolutely WORST RUN of luck when it comes to water-cooling ANY computer in that chassi!
"I am not at liberty to talk about."
Jay just did a "can't say, signed an NDA."
This doesn't change my views in the least. I still think that RGB lighting is a mostly pointless endeavor. I do enjoy seeing these builds go together.
*Me, who only has Aircooling* I think I will stay with what I currently have
The perfect video to reinforce my belief RGB is a complete and utter waste of time and money.
This is why I just stick to using fans lol. Liquid cooling just creates too many potential problems.
I don't hate RGB like you Jay. I hate it more! I hate it enough that I'm willing to pay a little bit extra to get non-RGB components, and when that isn't an option I turn the RGB off as soon as I can get into the BIOS gui.