I've been following Roc since he was in flipmode. He definitely kept the lights on in the house of boom bap. He didn't do it alone though... you gotta give guys like Planet Asia, Evidence, Sean P(RIP), DOOM(RIP), ALCHEMIST, MUGGS, Madlib, and too many more to mention credit as well.
Yeh I agree man Sean p and planet Asia need more respect. Fact a lot of people don’t know who muggs is but know cypress is hill is crazy. Never forget muggs taught alchemist how to make beats was the one who introduced him to infamous mobb and mobb deep.
I still credit Alc and Madlib for preserving that underground sound. I myself have been making beats since 2005 when everyone wanted to get on the radio. Roc was one of my biggest influences from the U.N. and Flipmode days.
Boom Bap was pioneered by DJ Premier and Pete Rock!!Alchemist took Boom Bap to a Grimey Level, Griselda just learned from HIM!!! If it wasnt for Alchemist it wouldn't of been Grimey.. Griselda is LEGIT THO!!
@@edbaiza7757 I mean if we wanna go to Premo (who is the 🐐 imo) then, we gt shoutout Pete Rock, No ID, Just Blaze etc. Griselda been around for a while but compared to Premo- they just got here.
Crazy thing about this video is that it only covers Roc Marciano’s PRODUCTION. Could do an entirely separate video highlighting his lyricism. He’s really in a class of his own.
Roc Marciano is the one who saved Hip-Hop by bringing back RZA's 90's drumless sound!When I listened to Marcberg i understood that this man will possibly bring the renaissance of the quality and authentic Hip Hop sound and style.His aesthetic is unbeatable.If you like Roc you must also listen to KA.He is low key but he is a legend with this Hempstead grimey sound and lyrical genious rhymescheme.Word.
It's crazy to me that Roc was considered to have had basically zero buzz at the time Marcberg dropped. When that came out, I had been eagerly waiting for a Roc Marciano album for an entire decade at that point.
Facts King!!!!!!!!! But Roc never rhymed about wearing no dresses, Chanel , womens fashion brands or his cellys stained bed sheets smell!!!!!!!!!!! And The Big Homie Wess voice definitely not the same as Roc!!!!!!!!! He a one of one!!!!!!! It's more similar to Foxy Brown if anyone!!!!!!! Plus Roc never rocked no Birkin bags or Missy Elliot fur space boots homie!!!!!!!!!!!
Every time Navie does a video on boombap, I get so inspired to cook a boombap beat up! I actually look forward to Tuesdays to make a beat. lol Good work, Navie! We appreciate tf out of you. At least, I do. Cheers.
@@NavieD Guess what I was just doing lol.. but yea, you are definitely an inspiration. I work 3 jobs (technically) and have 2 kids at the opposite ends of the "child age range" spectrum.. and a wife to please. Suffice it to say, it can be challenging to find time, let alone inspiration, to make music. Something about the way you break things down makes me want to go and try things. lol Not to mention, I have yet to dislike a single example beat you have made in your videos thus far. Maybe I just like your style of beats. lol Cheers!
@@NavieD some people are critical of the Griselda beats where the drums are often quieter and less danceable, instead going for a darker muddier more mysterious soundtrack-like sound. The beats are not innovative, the difference is interesting atmosphere and texture. The end result less funky also
Kudos to you for shining a light on Roc Marciano....he is absolutely the godfather of modern boom bap. To give Griselda their credit, he is featured on multiple early tracks by them as well.
Facts King!!!! But Griselda saved the game and brang back that real 90's homoerotica homie!!!!!!!!!! We been missin it !!!!!!!!!!!!! Never heard Roc rhyme like The Big Bro Benny either!!!!!!! The Big Bro said " I'm round the stove like a fire blanket, transporting 6 million bricks in a horse and wagon" !!!!!!! That's fire son and real life bars!!!!!!! He really bout that life whoadie!!!!!!!!!
No he isn’t,it didn’t go anywhere…MF Doom and Alchemist kept it going from the 90s into the 00s and 10s…There is no “modern” boom bap,it’s the same sound and techniques.
Tell me who been getting it in since LL switched to TV and all the other 90s video clips of dozens of sweaty shirtless men crowded together with their underwear hangin out??? Only Griselda King !!!!!!! @@sadetwizelve
I think all these elements can be traced back to Wu-Tang in early / mid 90s, they just weren't as prominent in 00s. The gritty minimalism of Marcberg reminded me a bit of some stuff from Tical by Method Man which I loved.
@@lighttalefilmz Do you not know what "trace back" means? Wu Tang for sure birthed what we call modern boom bap even before Roc did and I've been a Roc fan since 1998. Roc just made it popular again after all the other NYC rappers sold out or faded away. Now, if you want to talk the drumless neo mafioso movement that made Griselda famous, then yeah that was all Roc and Alchemist.
I think one of the most obvious 90s beats that really uses the same technics as “neo boom bap” is also produced by RZA, the bonus track on OB4CL, “North Star (Jewelz)” Barely touched sample (a lil bit pitched down), simply looped, no drum pattern It was my favorite cut off the album first time I’ve heard it
@@geoffroyclop I had just started making beats about a year before that album came out and as soon as I heard that one, I was like "Why tf have I been struggling trying to make these drums sound good all this time?!" 😂
Agreed, I'm from where Griselda is from, That style of Music just never went Out with us, it's just that Other styles became super Popular,.. Roc, Larry June, 38, and Griselda all gave props to each other, and Griselda never Claimed what the Title says, It's confusing and sounds like Hating on them to Prop up somebody that they also Like and Give credit to. Estee Nack, Divino, RJ Payne, Ransom to an extent, there's a whole host of Guys on the east coast who do this very well. My crew personally were into Mob deep, But the Music that made us, was Wutang, Onyx, Lost Boyz, Cnn, Nas.
Not to flex or anything but I immediately knew you were talking about Roc Marciano! Also, Ka is another one who helped re-pave that path. Although technically he’s been around since the 90s as a part of Natural Elements. If y’all don’t know about him, look him up. He’s also a Brooklyn firefighter, so an IRL hero
The part about Grimey sampled beats with synths has been around & were gaining momentum since the 2000's in the Underground. El-P, Necro, Stoupe, as well as producers who worked with Army Of The Pharaohs, etc.
correct…they pioneered the whole ‘raw loop’ style. dilla even said “straight loops…fuck it” and madlib simply called himself ‘the loop digga’. Another indication is both made a calculated turn away from doing more complicated production. They did heavier full studio productions then switched to basic SP-303 loop stuff. This video is giving credit to the wrong people. All those dudes were just trying to make records that sounded like Madlib productions. Of course other folks like Jay Electronica, Alchemist, etc. also leaned into the style. Honestly it’s not really Boom Bap per se…I call it ‘cinematic under-production’. The pioneers of the style I’d say would be folks like Muggs, DJ Shadow, and RZA.
Boom Bap never went away. What Roc Marciano AND Ka (who also needs to be mentioned!) revolutionized was sparsity and economy while still being complex. The style of Beat never went away - you just weren't listening to good rap music.
Its crazy How bittersweet Roc getting his flowers is for me. As much as I want the world to hear some of the finest displays for artistry there ever was, I also enjoy putting people on to Roc when they have no clue their world is gonna be opened up to a new life
I first heard of Roc Marci when "Petestrumentals" dropped in 2001 and he was rapping with his crew (the UN) on two tracks. He laid down the last verse on the last track (called Cake) and i knew nothing about this dude except that shit was ill as fuck and insanely effortless sounding. That alone let me know he was on another level, in that Wu-Tang level. And lo and behold he is making shit better than eveybody else and gettin the well earned props
Nothing was invented bro lol this was done a long time ago by RZA. When something goes out of "style" and somebody else comes in and does the same or similar shit, that second dude is not the inventor
I first heard Roc Marciano on 'Modern Day Revelations' off of Bronson/Alchemist 2012 Mixtape Rare Chandeliers. His verse is dripping with steez, i had never heard anything like it. He quickly became my favorite rapper, and ive been bumping him ever since. Thanks for the awesome video!!
Inventor is a strong word too buddy... the craft of beat making is more like THE FORCE... being passed down thru generations with the essence of the elders
I flipped that Little Ann song about 12 years ago when I was learning to use Ableton. I loved hearing Conway over it. I’d completely forgot what the sample was though so thanks for telling me
Roc isnt responsible for the “modern day boom dap”, he pioneered the loop style of production as a rapper/producer. I believe that title should go to The Alchemist. “Return Of The Mac” was before “Marcberg”.
feel your comment. also Hus Kingpin & Smoovth aka Tha Connection did stuff like that back in *06 or '07 and collaborated as well with Roc Marci at a later point of time. hard to tell. guess it's a mvement. everything running in circles.
@hazeraw could also be they've been working together and never took credit kuz roc put them in to that idea. So out of respect they did what was right and never claimed the lane kuz it is rocs lane
the "loop" style was prob pioneered by Madlib,and he was prob influenced by dilla...id say before alchemist roc on the other hand had his own thing going on in a similar time frame hard to tell who influenced who
I Always Heard The dilla infuence in his Sound 💯💯💯 Roc Marciano is Another great one who deserves his Flowers. So Navie gave it to him and is the one who Educate the New Generation better than every music teacher ever could 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Well, nice for you to notice marciano's influence on the griselda sound. But in fact the pioneer of this sound is Ka. Long before 2010, the brownsville artist pioneered this style, which he still has to this day. Bless
Aint never seen Roc wear any avant garde fashion homie!!!!!!!!! Let me know when he rock Chanel, Julia Lang or Fenti like THE BIG BRO WESS!!!!!!!! That's fam!!!!!!!!! He changed the game fr fr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats facts King!!!! Benny said every time the label push back his album release, he's gonna push back his hairline!!! That's his rebel spirit King!!!!! @@moussegarbonzo8352
Great video. One thing i have learned is never use Serato Sample for drums, it smears the transients and any crack or punch the sample has is lost, especially when you drift from the original tempo of the sample and definitely when you use Serato Sample's pitch, so be careful, it get mooshy real quick. Try it against the original audio, you'll hear it.
It’s so funny cuz these sounds and grooves and vibes were being used well in the 1999 - to now. You just weren’t listening to those underrated unknown artists.
Inacreditável!!! Nunca pensei que veria uma das minhas músicas favoritas sendo explicada em detalhes, Panic do Roc Marciano é incrível. Sou seu fã aqui do Brasil, sempre assisti agora seu vídeos que como sempre são fantásticos!
Giving ROC his flowers is real first time I ever heard Griselda was on a Roc music video. Love this!! Marci is NASTY with it! FYI before the video even started I said only person he can be talking about is Marci and I was right! LOL
Please do a video on Paul C. McKasty, he's the guy that Large Professor credits as inventing chopping in the mid-80s. There is a great article about him called "Return to the World as a Thought" by Dave Tompkins that interviews a lot of legends talking about Paul C's impact (he was sadly murdered back in 1989). He did production for Eric B & Rakim, Ultramagnetic MCs, Organized Konfusion, Queen Latifah, Biz Markie, etc.
@@NavieD On an Instagram post, Questlove described him as "The engineer/producer/beatdigger who inspired your fav producer's favorite producer" and "one of the first cats to production and try ideas no one thought to ever do on such a limiting machine. Damn near the J Dilla of his day." Also in the the article I mentioned it says: "Pete Rock has said Alchemist’s production reminds him of Paul C".
i'm not sure if you a familiar with the westcoast underground scene. But it's a fact that Ras Kass and Planet Asia are more known for the resurgence of that sound. They been doing it since 2005.
Discovered Roc Marciano at a Sean Price show. Underground rap as always flourished. I just vividly remember something about the way he did it bridging the mainstream and underground.
praise roc marciano! he and alc are to thank for all the good music coming out. they planted the seeds and put in the groundwork for wat gxfr was gonna do years later
Can you do a breakdown on 90s/00s HipHop/R&B songs like Mesmerize by Ashanti/Ja Rule or Playas Gon Play by 3LW?? They have sounds in there I wish I could find out what they are. Keep up the great videos! You’re the best 👍👍
@@NavieD The HipHop songs you do sample R&B & all kinds of music. I don’t see the difference? These are also not classic R&B songs like new Jack swing, they’re really HipHop beats with R&B vocals if that helps any. But do whatever feels best for you! If you can’t, I understand. 🫡
I’ve been a fan since flipmode and the U.N., it’s great to see Roc getting his flowers. Have to mention Rza and Alchemist’s influences on the sound. Elements of early Wu and tracks like The Realest from Mobb Deep (alc produced) alongside the Return of the Mack mixtape were low key pivotal.
Respect to Roc for carrying the torch for boom bap while everyone jumped on the money-making machine of the cookie cutter trap beat factory, but calling him "the REAL inventor" of modern boom bap is hyperbolic. There were hundreds, if not thousands, of "boom Bap" holdouts during the industry-wide bandwagon-hopping to cookie cutter trap beats. People who were boom bap holdouts and released boom bap were dismissed by many as "old heads" or accused of being stuck on an "outdated" sound. There isn't any "inventor" of modern boom bap, there was just always us who carried the existing torch.
I would argue this style with the sample and no drums started on bobby digital or a couple of ghost tracks where basically rhymes to the sample. Gza fire house feat ka also did this style of beat (damn produced by roc marciano never knew
Naive salute on your homage to Roc Marci. You have to add DJ Premier into this. He was/is the king of the boom bap sound as well. Hell he even did an album with KRS One in 1993 Return Of The Boom Bap. Appreciate what you do for the music production community keep it going. ✌🏾
@@NavieD I’m a throw this DJ Premier song at you. Ain’t the Devil Happy off of Jeru The Damaga album. Strip away Preemo signature drum pattern. You have what is know as "Today’s modern boom bap" Throw a Roc, West, Conway, Rome Streets, Flee Lord vocal over his sample chop and you wouldn’t even know whether it was made in 93 or 2023. That’s all I’m saying. Salute Naive.
@@NavieD DJ Premier is not retired, he's still making music - for modern boom bap artists. In this sense, he certainly still fits into this, since his body of work spans both old-school boom bap, right up into more modern stuff. There are a lot of tremendous UK artists and producers also keeping this alive, for example check out some groups like Contact Play, Four Owls, and Leaf Dog in particular. The Four Owls blew up quite massively into the UK, and became one of the first underground UKHH groups to get a collab with DJ Premier himself, on the song "Think Twice" which was produced back in 2015. There's also another dude called Ocean Wisdom who's from a small coastal town called Brighton, and he also blew up in the UK, eventually doing a track with Method Man called 'Ting Dun". All that being said though, not trying to split hairs or anything. Big fan of your videos and production tips, and tbh Pimpstrumentals was always one of my favourite beat tapes of his. You should do a video on the French producer Onra and his "Chinoiseries" albums, some of those tracks are incredible.
@@CarnalCarnival I’m just saying if we gonna talk about boom bap music production . Let’s talk about it. Everything you said is 💯. Preemo has to be in the subject of Boom Bap. He just did a joint with West & Rome. And Preemo still ill with how he chops samples. Don’t get me hype. 😂 Peace champ.
@@NeekRusher there are many faces on the Mt Rushmore of "boom bap", but personally DJ Premier is probably not even in my top 3 favourite producers, even the term boom-bap is kinda annoying because it refers to the golden age of hip hop during the 90s, and music and hip hop in general have evolved so much since then. Sometimes the power of music is bigger than the labels we use to define it, it can lose value the more you try to over emphasize one particular era over another. Dilla, Madlib, Flying Lotus are all household names who pushed old school and modern music in way more exciting directions than Dj Premier. A lot of people forget that you don't need rappers to make good hip hop. One producer I have been listening to a lot and find hella inspiring is an artist called Spectacular Diagnostics.
To be fair, Westside Gunn was doing rap many years before 2010. He went to prison and when he came out he just kept making Boom Bap Hip Hop, he didn't jump on the trap/southern inspired beats. Cuz he had been in the can.
Digging one layer deeper there is Ka, he came with a lot of stuff Marciano doing as well including sample-centered approach and slow and deliberate flow.
I'm proud to own MARCBERG on wax!!!! Definitely CLASSIC LP! Shout to Roc and Griselda for some good boom bap music! Your channel is great and you really know your stuff. Big up. #HIPHOP
I saw the beard at the beginning and INSTANTLY knew it was Roc!!! Shout-out the Gawd man, Roc stay dropping classic after classic. I'd suggest doing a deep dive into Ka next, Roc has worked with him quite a bit over the years and I can honestly say they're both two of the best pens in the game damn near Undisputed
First of all salute cos you're the first I've seen covering this topic that explicitly highlights Roc Marci. He fully deserves credit for ushering in the new wave, but-I don't think that can be done accurately without giving it up to DJ Muggs, RZA, 4th Disciple and True Master and then Madlib & J Dilla. C.R.E.A.M.', Can It Be..., '97 Mentality' to name a few. And Wu were huge without radio love so the style definitely ain't new or super obscure. Even your example with Panic, add a third kick before each snare and you've basically got RZA. Early 2000s, Madlib was flying that flag, obviously Madvillainy being the most prominent example: Fancy Clown & Rhinestone Cowboy for starters then onto Jaylib: Heavy, The Official for example. The real under-appreciated game changer was Donuts though. Dilla flipped even the most common breaks without adding drums. That was what opened up this whole lane they're calling micro-chopping that we're in now. People weren't doing that shit on a broad scale til he made it ok. And he did that in response to the chipmunk soul era that Bink, Ye and Just Blaze popularised. I remember producers back then saying they had a lot of those same records but never heard them in that way. That was in '06. Marcberg came out 2010.
Navie, love your videos and have always loved hip-hop and sampling. You do the best job at breaking down beats and recreating them for non-producers to understand. You have an extensive hip-hop knowledge that is uncanny. This was an awesome topic and you made a great video. It would be really awesome to see a video on Atmosphere and some of their samples and songs. Ant is one of my favorite producers and his sampling and sounds are really intricate. When you brought up the part about modern boom bap using unnatural synths, it immediately made me think about the song "Delicate" by Atmosphere. There is some pretty heavy synth and it is a really amazingly produced song. Ant and Slug have known how to stay relevant and creative with their music over the years while staying true to hip-hop and evolving. It would be awesome to see a breakdown on some of their songs (also MF DOOM, but I'm sure you already know that). Thank you so much for these videos. You are extremely knowledgeable and I really enjoy the content you put out.
Skyzoo been keeping boombap going before Grizelda. He is the first person I heard shout them out and had west side gun on a song before I even heard of him. Of course he also gets Alc, 9th wonder, premier, Apollo brown and others for beats so his sound is legit.
Magic Eye pic is a whale with its tail partially out of the water, and I think there's a little sail boat too on the left. Dope vid by the way, very informative.
Sean Price was a major force in keeping real hip-hop alive from 2005-2015. Truly a shame he was not around to see this resurgence.
that mac miller collab he put out in 2015 was fucking flames.
Duck Down!
I was about to say Roc Marcino is on the 2011 Random Axe Album
@@likenem and Sean P was on the Snow Remix off Roc's 1st album.
And that's why roc loved Sean so much he was doing it since the 90s
Roc Marciano is too underated
I agree
This channel is way too underrated... seriously 😅
He’s not under rated, it’s just that the likes of Drake are OVER rated and severely under hated
@@SocialStoicRUclips he is a dope producer also.
That's wild!
I just spent the day listening to Roc Marciano's catalogue, especially Behold A Dark Horse! Great video!
I've been following Roc since he was in flipmode. He definitely kept the lights on in the house of boom bap. He didn't do it alone though... you gotta give guys like Planet Asia, Evidence, Sean P(RIP), DOOM(RIP), ALCHEMIST, MUGGS, Madlib, and too many more to mention credit as well.
Talk to these niccas!
SEAN P!!!
Yeh I agree man Sean p and planet Asia need more respect. Fact a lot of people don’t know who muggs is but know cypress is hill is crazy. Never forget muggs taught alchemist how to make beats was the one who introduced him to infamous mobb and mobb deep.
PA Medallions for sure
Fr I’m over thinking like when did boom bap die ??
I still credit Alc and Madlib for preserving that underground sound. I myself have been making beats since 2005 when everyone wanted to get on the radio. Roc was one of my biggest influences from the U.N. and Flipmode days.
Yea they did an awesome job throwing new artists on those beats. Major shouts to them
Shoutout to ST too. Only label that kept their artists paid and, creative asl.
Boom Bap was pioneered by DJ Premier and Pete Rock!!Alchemist took Boom Bap to a Grimey Level, Griselda just learned from HIM!!! If it wasnt for Alchemist it wouldn't of been Grimey..
Griselda is LEGIT THO!!
@@edbaiza7757 I mean if we wanna go to Premo (who is the 🐐 imo) then, we gt shoutout Pete Rock, No ID, Just Blaze etc. Griselda been around for a while but compared to Premo- they just got here.
Gotta throw DJ MUGGS in that mix
Crazy thing about this video is that it only covers Roc Marciano’s PRODUCTION. Could do an entirely separate video highlighting his lyricism. He’s really in a class of his own.
Facts, Roc is the new v on his own lol
Bro really is NICE !
Yeah it's the flow more than the production tbh
The minimalist sound been here it's the way he attacks the beat
Roc Marciano is the one who saved Hip-Hop by bringing back RZA's 90's drumless sound!When I listened to Marcberg i understood that this man will possibly bring the renaissance of the quality and authentic Hip Hop sound and style.His aesthetic is unbeatable.If you like Roc you must also listen to KA.He is low key but he is a legend with this Hempstead grimey sound and lyrical genious rhymescheme.Word.
Ka is the greatest lyricist ever
One of the greatests for sure @@moussegarbonzo8352
@@moussegarbonzo8352 KA his pengame is unmatched!!!!!
It's crazy to me that Roc was considered to have had basically zero buzz at the time Marcberg dropped. When that came out, I had been eagerly waiting for a Roc Marciano album for an entire decade at that point.
People thought he needed Flipmode or something even though the U.N. album easily proved that wasn't the case.
Facts King!!!!!!!!! But Roc never rhymed about wearing no dresses, Chanel , womens fashion brands or his cellys stained bed sheets smell!!!!!!!!!!! And The Big Homie Wess voice definitely not the same as Roc!!!!!!!!! He a one of one!!!!!!! It's more similar to Foxy Brown if anyone!!!!!!! Plus Roc never rocked no Birkin bags or Missy Elliot fur space boots homie!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I've been a Roc fan since the Heist on Busta's Anarchy album, I think that came out in 99
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@@musaka2022 puutin' the ho in hotep
Every time Navie does a video on boombap, I get so inspired to cook a boombap beat up! I actually look forward to Tuesdays to make a beat. lol Good work, Navie! We appreciate tf out of you. At least, I do. Cheers.
Hahah beautiful! I am glad I'm able to help in any way possible
@@NavieD Guess what I was just doing lol.. but yea, you are definitely an inspiration. I work 3 jobs (technically) and have 2 kids at the opposite ends of the "child age range" spectrum.. and a wife to please. Suffice it to say, it can be challenging to find time, let alone inspiration, to make music. Something about the way you break things down makes me want to go and try things. lol Not to mention, I have yet to dislike a single example beat you have made in your videos thus far. Maybe I just like your style of beats. lol Cheers!
Yall are Cornballs you don’t even know what Boom Bap means
@@NavieD some people are critical of the Griselda beats where the drums are often quieter and less danceable, instead going for a darker muddier more mysterious soundtrack-like sound. The beats are not innovative, the difference is interesting atmosphere and texture. The end result less funky also
You got beats? *scratches neck* 😂
Kudos to you for shining a light on Roc Marciano....he is absolutely the godfather of modern boom bap. To give Griselda their credit, he is featured on multiple early tracks by them as well.
Facts King!!!! But Griselda saved the game and brang back that real 90's homoerotica homie!!!!!!!!!! We been missin it !!!!!!!!!!!!! Never heard Roc rhyme like The Big Bro Benny either!!!!!!! The Big Bro said " I'm round the stove like a fire blanket, transporting 6 million bricks in a horse and wagon" !!!!!!! That's fire son and real life bars!!!!!!! He really bout that life whoadie!!!!!!!!!
No he isn’t,it didn’t go anywhere…MF Doom and Alchemist kept it going from the 90s into the 00s and 10s…There is no “modern” boom bap,it’s the same sound and techniques.
@@musaka2022homoerotica? Tf you talking about
Tell me who been getting it in since LL switched to TV and all the other 90s video clips of dozens of sweaty shirtless men crowded together with their underwear hangin out??? Only Griselda King !!!!!!! @@sadetwizelve
Word! His Verse on Rex Ryan was Fucking Swag Personified! 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
I think all these elements can be traced back to Wu-Tang in early / mid 90s, they just weren't as prominent in 00s. The gritty minimalism of Marcberg reminded me a bit of some stuff from Tical by Method Man which I loved.
But he said modern boom bap !
@@lighttalefilmz Do you not know what "trace back" means? Wu Tang for sure birthed what we call modern boom bap even before Roc did and I've been a Roc fan since 1998. Roc just made it popular again after all the other NYC rappers sold out or faded away. Now, if you want to talk the drumless neo mafioso movement that made Griselda famous, then yeah that was all Roc and Alchemist.
I think one of the most obvious 90s beats that really uses the same technics as “neo boom bap” is also produced by RZA, the bonus track on OB4CL, “North Star (Jewelz)”
Barely touched sample (a lil bit pitched down), simply looped, no drum pattern
It was my favorite cut off the album first time I’ve heard it
@@geoffroyclop I had just started making beats about a year before that album came out and as soon as I heard that one, I was like "Why tf have I been struggling trying to make these drums sound good all this time?!" 😂
Agreed, I'm from where Griselda is from, That style of Music just never went Out with us, it's just that Other styles became super Popular,.. Roc, Larry June, 38, and Griselda all gave props to each other, and Griselda never Claimed what the Title says, It's confusing and sounds like Hating on them to Prop up somebody that they also Like and Give credit to. Estee Nack, Divino, RJ Payne, Ransom to an extent, there's a whole host of Guys on the east coast who do this very well. My crew personally were into Mob deep, But the Music that made us, was Wutang, Onyx, Lost Boyz, Cnn, Nas.
Not to flex or anything but I immediately knew you were talking about Roc Marciano! Also, Ka is another one who helped re-pave that path. Although technically he’s been around since the 90s as a part of Natural Elements. If y’all don’t know about him, look him up. He’s also a Brooklyn firefighter, so an IRL hero
Both of them have been around since that time
Forever needing that Metal Clergy album. Their chemistry together is amazing
Me too
Ka and roc too much
I just left a comment talking about Ka too, the real ones know man!! He's my #1 favorite rapper of all time and I can say that with confidence
The part about Grimey sampled beats with synths has been around & were gaining momentum since the 2000's in the Underground. El-P, Necro, Stoupe, as well as producers who worked with Army Of The Pharaohs, etc.
Shit existed before the 00s
🕵🏾♂️ I see what you're doing 🙄
Great video. Props for recognizing Roc Marciano, alot of us real hiphop heads were rocking with Marci before Griselda
Roc Marci is Rakim of that Era. His flow is untouchable. His beats too. He has a complex simplicity, I dont know how to describe it
Strong ISLAND 🔥
I don’t believe they ever said they were the creators, they just showed us that in todays rap scene this form of rap will always be necessary
Madlib, Doom, Dilla and the likes did this way, way back! 🤘
facts!
100% and there are countless others on top of them also considered the "loop masters."
I was going to say that everything he showed felt like a cross between RZA, Madlib and Kool Keith
correct…they pioneered the whole ‘raw loop’ style. dilla even said “straight loops…fuck it” and madlib simply called himself ‘the loop digga’. Another indication is both made a calculated turn away from doing more complicated production. They did heavier full studio productions then switched to basic SP-303 loop stuff. This video is giving credit to the wrong people. All those dudes were just trying to make records that sounded like Madlib productions. Of course other folks like Jay Electronica, Alchemist, etc. also leaned into the style. Honestly it’s not really Boom Bap per se…I call it ‘cinematic under-production’. The pioneers of the style I’d say would be folks like Muggs, DJ Shadow, and RZA.
@@coolo73 Exactly.
Roc Marciano did a track with Griselda when Griselda first hit the scene. They know Marciano was the inventor.
Rex Ryan🔥🔥🔥my introduction to Conway and WG
Inventor of what?
It was him and also KA, the Grief Pedigree album is maaad underrated💯💯💯
Damn, I remember that album when it came out
Boom Bap never went away. What Roc Marciano AND Ka (who also needs to be mentioned!) revolutionized was sparsity and economy while still being complex. The style of Beat never went away - you just weren't listening to good rap music.
What about Joey badass? Dash and retch ? Action Bronson ? Lol underground nyc never stopped boom bap
Its crazy How bittersweet Roc getting his flowers is for me. As much as I want the world to hear some of the finest displays for artistry there ever was, I also enjoy putting people on to Roc when they have no clue their world is gonna be opened up to a new life
I first heard of Roc Marci when "Petestrumentals" dropped in 2001 and he was rapping with his crew (the UN) on two tracks.
He laid down the last verse on the last track (called Cake) and i knew nothing about this dude except that shit was ill as fuck and insanely effortless sounding. That alone let me know he was on another level, in that Wu-Tang level. And lo and behold he is making shit better than eveybody else and gettin the well earned props
The first always get overlooked. Roc Marciano is what Schoolly D is to Gangsta Rap. ☝🏾
"And if we being frank, I created this lane, if you hatin' then eat a frank." - Roc Marci
Hahah great lyric
NAVIE, MY BOY, EVERY TUESDAY, WE HERE!
Tuesday gang here we are
So much respect for bringing this to the forefront. I’ve been saying for years that Marc invented this style of rap.
Nothing was invented bro lol this was done a long time ago by RZA. When something goes out of "style" and somebody else comes in and does the same or similar shit, that second dude is not the inventor
I first heard Roc Marciano on 'Modern Day Revelations' off of Bronson/Alchemist 2012 Mixtape Rare Chandeliers.
His verse is dripping with steez, i had never heard anything like it. He quickly became my favorite rapper, and ive been bumping him ever since.
Thanks for the awesome video!!
One of the coldest verses ever. Bars were immaculate.
Fucking finally some flowers for Roc. Most overlooked.
Truuuuu
He's been seen as a goat by many for years
76 is still one of my favorite songs. Also this channel is absolutely excellent. Much appreciation.
You definitely have to give credit to projects like Donuts and Beat Konducta Vol. 1-2 for exploring the drumless sound.
Excellent video as always Navie. You’re so good at analyzing and breaking down beats ✌️
Inventor is a strong word too buddy... the craft of beat making is more like THE FORCE... being passed down thru generations with the essence of the elders
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Roc Marciano is my favorite rapper. Most underrated artist in the genre.
glad you made this I’ve been trying to make a lot of stuff like this lately and your in depth explanations makes it so much easier
I flipped that Little Ann song about 12 years ago when I was learning to use Ableton. I loved hearing Conway over it. I’d completely forgot what the sample was though so thanks for telling me
Roc isnt responsible for the “modern day boom dap”, he pioneered the loop style of production as a rapper/producer. I believe that title should go to The Alchemist. “Return Of The Mac” was before “Marcberg”.
feel your comment. also Hus Kingpin & Smoovth aka Tha Connection did stuff like that back in *06 or '07 and collaborated as well with Roc Marci at a later point of time. hard to tell. guess it's a mvement. everything running in circles.
@hazeraw could also be they've been working together and never took credit kuz roc put them in to that idea. So out of respect they did what was right and never claimed the lane kuz it is rocs lane
Yeah ied say Knxledge the alchmist and j dilla the most important guys for modern boom bap.
the "loop" style was prob pioneered by Madlib,and he was prob influenced by dilla...id say before alchemist
roc on the other hand had his own thing going on in a similar time frame
hard to tell who influenced who
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I knew it was gonna be roc Marciano because Action Bronson got his sound from him and I knew Griselda took some sauce from him. Great vid.
I Always Heard The dilla infuence in his Sound 💯💯💯
Roc Marciano is Another great one who deserves his Flowers.
So Navie gave it to him and is the one who Educate the New Generation better than every music teacher ever could 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I totally agree!!
Well, nice for you to notice marciano's influence on the griselda sound. But in fact the pioneer of this sound is Ka.
Long before 2010, the brownsville artist pioneered this style, which he still has to this day.
Bless
Bro 😂 this was being done in 93 by homies off radio shack Casio samplers😅
We never used the manuals just worked it out, inspired from ideas not copied ideas ... its like beat making colouring books now
Too many how to sound like tutorials going against every last fibre of hip hop
Roc Marc DEFINITELY deserves to be ranked AS AN ELITE in the grand scheme of things. Dude super talented n deserves more love !
Aint never seen Roc wear any avant garde fashion homie!!!!!!!!! Let me know when he rock Chanel, Julia Lang or Fenti like THE BIG BRO WESS!!!!!!!! That's fam!!!!!!!!! He changed the game fr fr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@musaka2022 what are you even talking about?
Big Griselda Fashion rebels nah mean????!!!! Breakin norms in giant dutch clogs with heels and long-johns nah mean????!!!!! @@crimes2
@@musaka2022 Benny's hairline is groundbreaking!!!
Thats facts King!!!! Benny said every time the label push back his album release, he's gonna push back his hairline!!! That's his rebel spirit King!!!!! @@moussegarbonzo8352
Great video. One thing i have learned is never use Serato Sample for drums, it smears the transients and any crack or punch the sample has is lost, especially when you drift from the original tempo of the sample and definitely when you use Serato Sample's pitch, so be careful, it get mooshy real quick. Try it against the original audio, you'll hear it.
It’s so funny cuz these sounds and grooves and vibes were being used well in the 1999 - to now. You just weren’t listening to those underrated unknown artists.
Dudes been around since forever. Crazy he didn’t drop an album until 2010. First heard him on bustas album back in 2000.
Navie, keep up your videos, they are so informative and entertaining, your a great part of this community.
When it comes to breaking down and explaining beats, you the man! - Edit: decided to pull the trigger on Better Beatmaker, let's go!
Well thx alot for giving me something to listen to at work today my guy. Navie back with the 💎💎💎
Hahah I hope you like it!
Inacreditável!!! Nunca pensei que veria uma das minhas músicas favoritas sendo explicada em detalhes, Panic do Roc Marciano é incrível.
Sou seu fã aqui do Brasil, sempre assisti agora seu vídeos que como sempre são fantásticos!
Brabo
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Amazing work as always
Thank you my dear friend
That beat you made at the end is 🔥 !
great content lately. love these diggs.
Thank you my friend
I really believe Sean Price was the battery that sparked modern day boom bap 💯
His production is unique, powerful, and inspiring; but the bars are why he is Top 5 for me, no debating.
Giving ROC his flowers is real first time I ever heard Griselda was on a Roc music video. Love this!! Marci is NASTY with it! FYI before the video even started I said only person he can be talking about is Marci and I was right! LOL
Please do a video on Paul C. McKasty, he's the guy that Large Professor credits as inventing chopping in the mid-80s.
There is a great article about him called "Return to the World as a Thought" by Dave Tompkins that interviews a lot of legends talking about Paul C's impact (he was sadly murdered back in 1989).
He did production for Eric B & Rakim, Ultramagnetic MCs, Organized Konfusion, Queen Latifah, Biz Markie, etc.
Hmmm I'll have to look into this
@@NavieD On an Instagram post, Questlove described him as "The engineer/producer/beatdigger who inspired your fav producer's favorite producer" and "one of the first cats to production and try ideas no one thought to ever do on such a limiting machine. Damn near the J Dilla of his day."
Also in the the article I mentioned it says: "Pete Rock has said Alchemist’s production reminds him of Paul C".
@@NavieDhope you get to this
Paul C definitely had something special
i'm not sure if you a familiar with the westcoast underground scene. But it's a fact that Ras Kass and Planet Asia are more known for the resurgence of that sound. They been doing it since 2005.
0:34 Haven’t seen who the artist is yet but i’m assuming it’s Roc Marci
Same I already thought it was roc
You've read my mind
Discovered Roc Marciano at a Sean Price show. Underground rap as always flourished. I just vividly remember something about the way he did it bridging the mainstream and underground.
praise roc marciano! he and alc are to thank for all the good music coming out. they planted the seeds and put in the groundwork for wat gxfr was gonna do years later
I never got a chance to catch up with "modern boom bap". I'm a look up that Roc Marciano track he did with Busta over a JDilla beat
Can you do a breakdown on 90s/00s HipHop/R&B songs like Mesmerize by Ashanti/Ja Rule or Playas Gon Play by 3LW?? They have sounds in there I wish I could find out what they are. Keep up the great videos! You’re the best 👍👍
Hm, I don't often do R&B to be honest
@@NavieDBut you could breakdown Rap songs with RnB features or influence.
@@NavieD The HipHop songs you do sample R&B & all kinds of music. I don’t see the difference? These are also not classic R&B songs like new Jack swing, they’re really HipHop beats with R&B vocals if that helps any. But do whatever feels best for you! If you can’t, I understand. 🫡
I’ve been a fan since flipmode and the U.N., it’s great to see Roc getting his flowers.
Have to mention Rza and Alchemist’s influences on the sound. Elements of early Wu and tracks like The Realest from Mobb Deep (alc produced) alongside the Return of the Mack mixtape were low key pivotal.
Respect to Roc for carrying the torch for boom bap while everyone jumped on the money-making machine of the cookie cutter trap beat factory, but calling him "the REAL inventor" of modern boom bap is hyperbolic. There were hundreds, if not thousands, of "boom Bap" holdouts during the industry-wide bandwagon-hopping to cookie cutter trap beats. People who were boom bap holdouts and released boom bap were dismissed by many as "old heads" or accused of being stuck on an "outdated" sound. There isn't any "inventor" of modern boom bap, there was just always us who carried the existing torch.
Omg thank you. How can you invent something that was already there.
Bless your soul bro. , Marci been the gist since flip mode squad , best rapper of all time 💯 big ups from 🇦🇺
I would argue this style with the sample and no drums started on bobby digital or a couple of ghost tracks where basically rhymes to the sample. Gza fire house feat ka also did this style of beat (damn produced by roc marciano never knew
100%
ghostface killa all that i got is you is probably one of the first like that where its mainly just the sample playing
Big up Navie D bringing light to the founders!
Naive salute on your homage to Roc Marci. You have to add DJ Premier into this. He was/is the king of the boom bap sound as well. Hell he even did an album with KRS One in 1993 Return Of The Boom Bap. Appreciate what you do for the music production community keep it going. ✌🏾
For sure. This video is more focused on modern boom bap, not sure if DJ Premier fits into this as directly
@@NavieD I’m a throw this DJ Premier song at you. Ain’t the Devil Happy off of Jeru The Damaga album. Strip away Preemo signature drum pattern. You have what is know as "Today’s modern boom bap" Throw a Roc, West, Conway, Rome Streets, Flee Lord vocal over his sample chop and you wouldn’t even know whether it was made in 93 or 2023. That’s all I’m saying. Salute Naive.
@@NavieD
DJ Premier is not retired, he's still making music - for modern boom bap artists. In this sense, he certainly still fits into this, since his body of work spans both old-school boom bap, right up into more modern stuff. There are a lot of tremendous UK artists and producers also keeping this alive, for example check out some groups like Contact Play, Four Owls, and Leaf Dog in particular. The Four Owls blew up quite massively into the UK, and became one of the first underground UKHH groups to get a collab with DJ Premier himself, on the song "Think Twice" which was produced back in 2015. There's also another dude called Ocean Wisdom who's from a small coastal town called Brighton, and he also blew up in the UK, eventually doing a track with Method Man called 'Ting Dun".
All that being said though, not trying to split hairs or anything. Big fan of your videos and production tips, and tbh Pimpstrumentals was always one of my favourite beat tapes of his. You should do a video on the French producer Onra and his "Chinoiseries" albums, some of those tracks are incredible.
@@CarnalCarnival I’m just saying if we gonna talk about boom bap music production . Let’s talk about it. Everything you said is 💯. Preemo has to be in the subject of Boom Bap. He just did a joint with West & Rome. And Preemo still ill with how he chops samples. Don’t get me hype. 😂 Peace champ.
@@NeekRusher there are many faces on the Mt Rushmore of "boom bap", but personally DJ Premier is probably not even in my top 3 favourite producers, even the term boom-bap is kinda annoying because it refers to the golden age of hip hop during the 90s, and music and hip hop in general have evolved so much since then. Sometimes the power of music is bigger than the labels we use to define it, it can lose value the more you try to over emphasize one particular era over another.
Dilla, Madlib, Flying Lotus are all household names who pushed old school and modern music in way more exciting directions than Dj Premier. A lot of people forget that you don't need rappers to make good hip hop. One producer I have been listening to a lot and find hella inspiring is an artist called Spectacular Diagnostics.
dope credit to Roc and i would give him credit for the resurgence him and Kai but the style goes all the way back to pause tapes. great content!
Do a video on knxwledge!!!!
I might! It's on my list
You the goat for doing this , I been bumping since worlds greatest diamond heist
To be fair, Westside Gunn was doing rap many years before 2010. He went to prison and when he came out he just kept making Boom Bap Hip Hop, he didn't jump on the trap/southern inspired beats. Cuz he had been in the can.
It's because he from NY that he stayed with that sound.
Happy to see Roc gettin' some more love these days.
This just popped up and I knew he was gonna talk about Roc Marciano. "76" was the first song I heard and Marci has continued to deliver since!
Digging one layer deeper there is Ka, he came with a lot of stuff Marciano doing as well including sample-centered approach and slow and deliberate flow.
I was so ready to disagree with this claim until you revealed who it was lol. I STRONGLY agree! 🤞🏽💯
I'm proud to own MARCBERG on wax!!!! Definitely CLASSIC LP! Shout to Roc and Griselda for some good boom bap music! Your channel is great and you really know your stuff. Big up. #HIPHOP
Eeey ndoda
Roc did more than subdue the drums...he eventually took them jawns out completely lol.
I saw the beard at the beginning and INSTANTLY knew it was Roc!!! Shout-out the Gawd man, Roc stay dropping classic after classic. I'd suggest doing a deep dive into Ka next, Roc has worked with him quite a bit over the years and I can honestly say they're both two of the best pens in the game damn near Undisputed
you are so under rated brother....your time will come
First of all salute cos you're the first I've seen covering this topic that explicitly highlights Roc Marci. He fully deserves credit for ushering in the new wave, but-I don't think that can be done accurately without giving it up to DJ Muggs, RZA, 4th Disciple and True Master and then Madlib & J Dilla. C.R.E.A.M.', Can It Be..., '97 Mentality' to name a few. And Wu were huge without radio love so the style definitely ain't new or super obscure. Even your example with Panic, add a third kick before each snare and you've basically got RZA. Early 2000s, Madlib was flying that flag, obviously Madvillainy being the most prominent example: Fancy Clown & Rhinestone Cowboy for starters then onto Jaylib: Heavy, The Official for example.
The real under-appreciated game changer was Donuts though. Dilla flipped even the most common breaks without adding drums. That was what opened up this whole lane they're calling micro-chopping that we're in now. People weren't doing that shit on a broad scale til he made it ok. And he did that in response to the chipmunk soul era that Bink, Ye and Just Blaze popularised. I remember producers back then saying they had a lot of those same records but never heard them in that way. That was in '06. Marcberg came out 2010.
Roc is the Rakim of this new wave
There was never a Boom Bap Resurgence. Your ears and eyes just wandered away for awhile.
Modern boom bap or boom bap i dont think the sound ever really died
Wu-Tang Clan - Hollow Bone
Ghostface Killah - Wise
Ghostface Killah - Holla
Navie, love your videos and have always loved hip-hop and sampling. You do the best job at breaking down beats and recreating them for non-producers to understand. You have an extensive hip-hop knowledge that is uncanny. This was an awesome topic and you made a great video.
It would be really awesome to see a video on Atmosphere and some of their samples and songs. Ant is one of my favorite producers and his sampling and sounds are really intricate. When you brought up the part about modern boom bap using unnatural synths, it immediately made me think about the song "Delicate" by Atmosphere. There is some pretty heavy synth and it is a really amazingly produced song. Ant and Slug have known how to stay relevant and creative with their music over the years while staying true to hip-hop and evolving. It would be awesome to see a breakdown on some of their songs (also MF DOOM, but I'm sure you already know that).
Thank you so much for these videos. You are extremely knowledgeable and I really enjoy the content you put out.
I think another point is that a lot of these more modern beats are a much slower bpm then boom bap of the 90s
i mean, roc just grabbed the torch from wu. and shout out to alchemist, who's been doing this for years, and stays on the scene
Skyzoo been keeping boombap going before Grizelda. He is the first person I heard shout them out and had west side gun on a song before I even heard of him. Of course he also gets Alc, 9th wonder, premier, Apollo brown and others for beats so his sound is legit.
Seems that modern boom bap focuses on the more sinister, dark, insanity, cataclysmic feel. It’s like DJ Muggs has his essence in everything.
The beat you made was crazy bro🤧🦾
It's September we back in school kids. Great video. Already learning from these classes.
Y'all do know that Griselda gives Roc Marci his flowers whenever this topic is spoken of right??? Reasons he's on Conway Reject 2.
I dunno. I feel like El-P was producing like this going all the way back to Cannibal Ox.
“Snow” let me know it was still out there. Thank goodness.
R.i.p SEAN PRICE....The 90's God father that kept this SOUND ALIVE!!! Thanks for teaching the Youth dem.
RZA and DJ Muggs been doing it
Roc learned this from The RZA. '97 Mentality by Cappadonna and Raekwon's Verbal Intercourse.
Magic Eye pic is a whale with its tail partially out of the water, and I think there's a little sail boat too on the left. Dope vid by the way, very informative.
It’s been 5 years since I’ve done a “magic eye picture thingy”… my childhood thanks you
I'd argue this style roots even further back to Madlib in the early 2000s