You should do a follow up video showing your defences against the same attacks. It would be interesting to see your rationale and techniques in action. Of course you could also use Master Wong speech while doing so. I'd pay to see it.
Speaking from an American perspective (the only one I really have): "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six" is a great mantra for people who don't understand how civil lawsuits work or what life is like inside a maximum-security penitentiary.
I agree to an extent, but given how corrupt our legal system is, it is quite possible for a self-defense case to be blown up on ridiculous charges into a criminal case. At the heart of it the saying it means I would rather fight and live but face potential consequences than die because of my refusal to defend myself. I can agree with that sentiment
while you do make a good point, in the end in some circumstances you simply have no choice but to defend yourself or be seriously hurt or even dead. and the court system can be unjust either way so in some circumstances no matter how careful you are you can end up facing unfair judgement. And someone who truly threatens you will not be a young much less old woman, or a guy with a dog, and you can not engage with some drunk guy who might want to hurt you but is more likely just be frustrated with life and not thinking straight (although at that moment you need to consider that self defense might be necessary) the person who actually comes after you will be someone who has experience in fighting people and more often than not has some kind of edge over whoever they want to fight otherwise they wouldn't be starting this kind of fight. and at this point you give them wide berth until you can but at some point you might be forced to defend yourself and then you simply need to do what is necessary to survive and if it means seriously hurting that person or persons then its simply something you need to do and that is what is in the heart of "I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" statement even if this statement does not apply to every situation.
Sir, as I think back the Army taught us some stuff in hand to hand (SOCP) that actually did work, and it could be devastating. In these many years since then I have only had occasion to use one of these moves twice, the rear naked choke. Both times it was necessary to the situation I was in, and I stopped when my opponent became noncombatant. This is one of the reasons I was never charged with any crime. This guy is "click bait" hunting, and nothing else. Some of his displayed moves might work on occasion, but it would be very situational, and I don't wish to explain in court why I felt the need to blind someone for life. Interesting video, thanks.
Clickbait hunting would be legitimate, misinforming people about the dangers of crime (technically sending them to death & mutilation) COULD be seen as extremely irresponsible. Therapists are about ``fear of being beaten up´´, but that is not 5% of how crime is committed, and how to survive it and handle the aftermath. Fighter idiocies. 95% of which make believers end in prison or psychiatric care themselves.
I’ve been doing BJJ for many years now, and I’m mediocre at best. Something comforting about this being the most watched self-defence video: the less people know about grappling, the more confident I can be!
I am really happy you pointed out that the type of person that is likely to attack have probably been in a lot of fights before! I think there is a dangerous misconception floating around the internet that "street thugs" are rarely trained in martial arts and therefore any "basic technique" will work against them. In reality I dont know if there are any statistics regarding the correlation between martial artist and violent criminals. What I do know however is that violent criminals are often repeat offenders, so if you are not they have probably been in a lot more street/ har/whatever - fights than you have. Another issue I have with the kind of "superleathal" techniques that Master Wong ( and many others) focus so much on is that I dont think most normal people could make themselves do that to another person. I have held pads for complete beginners and it takes some time to convince them that they can hit the pad fairly hard. People who are new to HEMA often mess up techniquedrills abit because they unconsciously aim beside there partner. Most people are reluctant to be physicall against another person at all so I will submit that if you are not heavely conditioned or some kind of sociopath you are VERY unlikely to put your fingers in somebodys eye or grab anyones balls. I hope you can get together with that friend of yours that you mentioned in the end of the video and try these techniques out. If possible I would really see some better suggestions aswell :) #fightteam
@Vallen Mmm, but there are other things at work. What does the bad guy want? Why did he choose to go after you here and now? At what point will he say "Screw it. This is more trouble than it's worth"? People who do crimes generally have a plan. How can you mess with it so the crime isn't running on rails? These are what make self defense different than simply winning a round of knuckle tag in the ring.
I would also bet on (as in expecting) street criminals & street thugs to fight with banned weapons. In Germany any decent knife is already illegal, but criminals are people, who could not care less about laws. Plus: Civilian comfort is not, where crime ends. There will be an aftermath to almost any real attack, as the other faction will not just comply & wait to be arrested.
I feel that Master Wong vastly overestimates how much getting girls and having children factors into one's willingness to continue fighting, in the heat of the moment. Also, I feel his best self defence technique is his crazy-face. I wouldn't want to mess with someone who looks at me like that.
He has these golden opportunities presented, like when he blocks the hooks, he gets in really good grappling positions, like being able to get head frames or underhooks, but he goes into these little short range taps that are going to annoy at best. Not to mention that eye gouge at the beginning will fail miserably if the puncher takes his head offline or turns his shoulder up. Classic Wong.
@@EnglishMartialArts The elbow to the sternum actually works to shock for the tiny amount of time needed to clinch. But if that time is over, the move is wasted.
@@EnglishMartialArts If his whole background is Wing Chun then his whole background is part of one system of boxing. That puts some serious limits on his options.
Self defense move 3: knowing which tools are legal to carry where you currently reside. Self defense move 4: bring friends with you wherever you are going in public.
I have never encountered Master Wong before, and I can live totally fine without ever encountering him again. I personally think that boxing and wrestling are the best martial arts for self-defense. Why? Because you can "shove people around" (very important to make space to get the hell outta the situation before things get *really* nasty) and, if need be, you can be on your feet and defend yourself (imho boxing is the best martial art when comes to hitting people. Maybe 'cause it's the only thing you can do in it :P But it's also great to teach you moving and weaving instead of standing in one spot with one leg off the ground). This being said, the most important ability in self-defense is to see the situation unfolding and being able to de-escalate or, preferably, avoid the conflict all together.
I agree, even in jiujitsu not all has the same value. My favorite self defence tecniques are 1) how to fall, 2)how to stand up with minimal damage. 3) timing and clinching 4) head grabs and body grabs. Punches kicks that type of stuff if you dont know what u are doing keep distance and try to clinch, protect your face, hope for the best. Breaking greeps works same times mybe the best is let him have it. Normaly you grip to punch.... let he keep the grio and go close. Luck is very importante and numbers too.
The head cover and elbow point to the chest does seem to turn up in both Kelly McCann and Urban Combatives work, also the escape from the rear, over arm, bear hug seems to have elements going back to WW2 combatives....
The first "move" you should probably "know" is to run. Don't scream "Help!", scream "FIRE!"(, people don't want to help people, but everybody loves a good burn up)
Problem is everyone knows about that "Scream 'Fire'" bit. And people already know to run away from danger. Unless you're a track coach they are coming to you to learn something they don't already know. Also, you have to have somewhere safer to run to or you'll just be in the same fight but tired. And getting dragged down from behind sucks bowling balls through 50 feet of garden hose.
The dumbest thing Wong did was the defense to being grabbed from behind. He didnt do anything that would cause the grip to break, yet somehow he was able to step forward and gain enough distance to kick the guy. Anyone with a grappling background would be able to pick him up UNLESS he dropped his weight right away.
16:00 that foot stomp is also real useful when the other guy is wearing boots… or is sprawling to get his legs and groin back because it’s all you can attack (or he just knows how to wrestle). Also against double overhooks around the body, why bother with all that? Drop your weight, turn around and pop back up. Takedown of your choice.
As far as actual physical fighting in self defense I think it’s best to essentially learn how to fight in phone booth so to speak. One of the things I plan on doing is making an mma cage that’s about half the diameter of a regular cage
Dude you’re too nice. That guy is a con man. Lying to people and making money from it. I’ll like to see that vid with the 6”9 mma champion it’d be funny. Master Wong de bunked 😂
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. The concept is right there in the saying. Carried by 6 means you are dead and they are the pallbearers. This implies the attacker was using deadly force. So this saying should only apply to people who attack with weapons or in numbers where your life is in danger. It is totally disproportionate to try to maim someone who is throwing a punch at you. 😂
There are other "Your life is in danger" situations. Many of them depend on _disparity of force_ other than weapons or numbers. Take Bubba. Bubba is 300 pounds of muscle who bucks hay bales for a living and pumps iron three hours a day. Granny is 90 years old and weighs one pound for each of those years. If Granny attacks Bubba with her umbrella he *MIGHT* be justified in holding her at arm's length until she gets tired. If Bubba lays a hand on Granny and she shoots him so full of holes that birds can nest in his chest cavity the Law is likely to say "Nice groups, Ma'am." Adjust the "shoots" part for weapons laws in your jurisdiction. Void where prohibited. Use only as directed. But you get the idea.
It’s not that he’s “too much”, for me, he’s “too wrong” for me. I like a more grounded strategy. There are some kung fu guys that come grounded and mix in stuff that seems functional and it at least deserves a look. But nothing this guy does works within the realms of actual contact violence.
Good video, however master Wong isn’t all nonsense, he does have some good stuff out there, and I’ve actually trained at one of his seminars back in 2015. We did pretty effective boxing and grappling techniques and did full sparring with gear on. We did drill of our training partners rushing at us throwing barrages of strikes and we had to parry and get in a clinch or smother the attack and try get them in a choke. It was decent self defence training at full speed. There is a clip of the seminar look up ‘MMA training with master wong’ and it’s the top result. My mate is the brown belt in the vid we were only 15.
Oh, none of these were self defense moves. They were all (but one) from the front, initiated from long distance. These attacks all had the hallmarks of consensual violence - i.e. a fight between two blokes. To be fair, I have been assaulted by haymakers from the front, but those were all because the other bloke wanted a fight rather than a predatory assault/ambush, and they got that close because I was inexperienced and didn't pick up on what was happening in time. And then most of the counters were low percentage type moves that would be unlikely to work against a determined attacker. The elbow crash is good in principle, but the did not do that one good move in an effective fashion, which is _very_ telling. Lastly, as you pointed out, none of his follow ups were what would legally be called "self defense", they were all sustained, aggravated assaults against an opponent which had stopped fight (because they all did just a single attack ofc), trying to blind, cripple and pound the spine and back of the head. There was simply no self defense what so ever on display by Mr Wong.
The thumb joint lock was particularly silly. I say this as someone who has trained in classical jujutsu for years, where one thing you learn is just how damn hard that sort of move is to pull off against a resisting opponent. The "keys" to locks are given to you by your opponent and the windows to use them are extremely fleeting. Presenting that technique as a self defense move "everyone should know" is simply laughably silly, it takes years and years to be able to do it against an unarmoured opponent. Which leads me to mentioning that the wrist turning kote gaeshi type throw originates from armoured combat systems. When you wear an O-yoroi Japanese suit of full armour, your balance and weight changes drastically and a lot of the low percentage/high skill type joint throws in classical jujutsu suddenly becomes _much_ easier to pull off. Mainly because the opponent's weight is shifted upwards by the cuirass and helmet, meaning the body's tipping point is much higher up/easier to push someone over, but also because the opponent isn't grabbing a cloth lapel on your jacket, they are grabbing the edge of your cuirass. This means that when you clamp your hand over his, you literally have a metal edge to exert leverage into his hand with. Like I said, it changes these techniques fundamentally. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk about armoured unarmed throws, haha.
I must admit, I do like Master wong. He has character and followed him for a while, do I agree with most of his techniques? Nope. There is a problem I have with self defence, especially for the examples shown here, I'm not sure how many people have had real fights on here however, pending on how the attacks start, not expected sky attacks or square on, assuming you predict a fight will ensure, you go through a mix of emotions. It can range from fear, anger, confusion and definately a shoot of adrenaline, maybe all of these. You also can take a lot more pain than practiced in the dojo. A little dig in the ribs with knuckles can hurt, however, take a dig when your adrenalin is at an all time high. Anger or fear is rushing through your body, it's harder to hurt someone in that state, as a golden rule of course. This false training and confidence is why a lot of martial artists have been neaten by your average toe rag...
1- Counter a punch by jambing yiur fingers into their brow 2- Step elbows first into a grapple 3- Block a kick by exposing your head to attack 4- Carefully search for his thumb 5- Smack 'im, smack 'im, smack 'im And nowhere is escape mentioned. My understanding of self-defense is to do your best to get home with the same number of holes in your body as with which you began the day. He seems more intent on outright defeat than self-preservation. I haven't seen any of his other stuff ... not particularly interested. Fight, team!
It is sort of amusing how it would have legitimately been a better advise if Master Wong just told you to do the primitive attacks he is defending against here (like a collar grab & punch) instead of the weird bullshido armbreaks.
I was thought to fight in the army. It I would have to instruct to teach a five foot. 100 pound girl how to fight. the attacker is going to be bigger. the attacker don´t care about your health and saftey. Is their a reason why you care about the attackers. Don´t try to pick the fingers in the eyes. you will break your fingers. use your fist and think of a point a one or two inch behinde the eye. If you are kicking someone in the knee. try to force it. to move in a way. it´s not built to move. you might have to get a Lawyer. that can explaine why it was proportional. If something don´t work with your grandmother or a five foot, 100 pound girl. that don´t like to exercise. then It´s not for evrybody.
There's a reason why I rate mark phillips and his fight science channel because he trains Wing Chun, Sanshou, BJJ and Judo. Over this stuff because mark's wing chun looks like dirty boxing and he talks about punches leading into takedowns etc. This guy doesn't.
and now a serious answer: WOULD those 5 "techniques" work - Yes. For people with a certain technical experience, strength, weight and mind set, those plays most definitely will work. But those counter attacks are named "EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW" and this is absolutely wrong. I would say.... there is a good argument to make, that there are NO self defence moves which would work for everybody - well except taking a gun and shoot. hhhhmmmm maybe not even this. 🤷♂
Excellent video, Oz and in defense to Master Wong, his physical arts conditioning videos are very well done....BTW, "No more pretty women" comment he made from the first technique just made me laugh...OMG.
There's a couple short books which are full of wisdom about what really works: Jeff Cooper _Principles of Personal Defense_ Debbie Leung _Self Defense_ Very different perspectives for very different audiences. But solid gold.
As an American, I must say your dry counterpoint was wonderful against the hyper Mr. Wong. Never give crack to Wing Chun guys! Seriously, I could recommend you search out more marginal demos and toss your opinion into the ring. It is a tonic for those of us punch drunk from all the strange stuff passing for useful training to the uninformed. But some of it isn't really his fault. It all starts with- who else- Bruce Lee. He was a great innovator, in a time when that wasn't cool. He dissected arts- and, to be honest, to dissect something it has to be dead anyway- and went against common thought and teachings for the time, at least where Asian arts are concerned. And even he, who tended to drop the classical methods like a live grenade, had trouble abandoning it. The finger poke, or bil jee, was part of his training. At the end, he is rumored to have discarded most of the Wing Chun aspects because he thought the training had little application when you could just punch a guy. So Mr. Wong is going to try to rejuvenate some Wing Chun to prove it can actually work. They all do. if you stick with a 'classical' art for a while you get indoctrinated and it sticks to you like glue! My background is in Tang Soo Do, so I still want to work in some kicks even though I know in my heart if it were real I wouldn't bother to mash the nether regions as Mr. Wong seems fond of. I am glad to hear you say that most training doesn't teach you how to fail. I heard a saying, 'learn to fail quickly'. If there is a real philosophy to self-defense, I think that is it. No matter how many years of training I have, I have yet to be involved in anything like it. I am more likely to get blindsided while at the ATM, or while loading my groceries than being challenged to a manly duel of fisticuffs and spinning kicks. So I hope to fail quickly and react appropriately. He had other things besides the eye poke, but It all seemed a way to tweak semi-trained folks into adding a few rabbit punches and groin abuse to what they think they know. I am classifying him more as entertainment than training. He is the Asian Master Ken.
If you've seen Wong spar, he is an average intermediate student. His Wing Chun is at best intermediate level, his Tai Chi is hardly recognizable as such, and his JKD is just a mish mash of some basic kickboxing mostly. His claims of Master are unfounded. Search internet forums and even right here on RUclips and you will find real Masters laughing at his skill.
Great reaction video Oz :) I will admit, I do like a bit of master Wong. I hope he doesn’t see this though or in 9 months time we will see you both on a misfits RUclips boxing event 😅
7:29 in his defense, elbow crashing works tho, the only reason it isn't popular is because the main striking arts are all boxing based, even the ones that allow elbows, stuff like that is done by lethwei dudes, for example.
We actually drilled that technique in my Muay Thai gym the other day, and Ive used it in sparring. So yeah, it definitely is real However, it isn't some instant fight ending strike that idiots like Wong claim it is. It's meant to be a way to quickly enter the clinch against an opponent who's trying to punch you, so you should have some basic grappling ability of you do that
I've always seen it as a way of trying to make some space while closing. It's not even close to being a fight stopping blow unless your opponent already has a nasty heart condition...
@@kaitosevski3881 One of the things I've always appreciated about the Muay Thai elbows is that they could defend and attack at the same time with the same move.
There is a simple 2 method defense system. One, leg it, two, if not possible do the windmill as fast as you can. If you witness two toddlers fighting they will anatomically swing both arms fast in a circular motion .... That's a method if you know nothing ......
The main thing that troubles me about these kind of self defence videos is for people that don't understand close range work. The lack of understanding of the fundamental things like base and understanding pressure full stop. How to peel hands, when getting out of holds when you're attacked from behind like in this video. The single attacks coming in i.e, a scruffy centreline punch coming in, are more like entry techniques you learn when actually learning attributes. Not as real world applications
Can't believe there have been more than 100 comments and nobody has brought up the Ultimate English Martial Arts Self Defense Video ruclips.net/video/7Kng950x1rE/видео.html
Thanks Oz, fight tooth and nail, go berserk on an attacker, don't hold back and bite like a pitbull. But you're right pain hurts and if you're not used to getting hit (I haven't been hit in over 20 years) how do you deal with the system shock? As for killing, well .380 ACP isn't much but if I can I'm blasting away until the threat is neutralized.
The thing that gets me about these finger strikes is they're not for every tom dick and Harry. The types of finger strikes used in TMA were predicated on the practitioner spending years conditioning their fingers to reliably withstand repeated authoritative jabs on a tree, as well as years training their nervous system to have the accuracy to reliably hit what you are looking at. It can be done, I can stick my fingers into a solid surface. But it took fking ages to train them to this point. Why spend all that time training your fingers like that when your fist is structurally more sound and is almost guaranteed to hurt more? Hell, you don't even need to make a fist, a stiff slap or palm will rock most brains. I digress, finger strikes are pants. Don't use them.
The eblow to the sternum is extremely painful, but the problem with the move is you have to get close. Most people who practise this do it slowly. The move is in karate. Its a defence move against so many attacks you just move in and do the move without thinking. No i do not care for karate as self defence system or bJJ. I think the blocks in karate or any other MA can help, boxing is superior in that regard, though they have a problem withe gloves. The latter aids in blocking due to size, so the boxer has problems on the street with also they are trained to hit the head which is not good. The best defence system is judo in my opinion.
What I want to know about that first move is, if you have the skill to do it and you do see the punch coming, why throw an eye poke that is liable to just piss the person off and not stop them? Why not throw a punch instead? It looks like you are positioned perfectly to do so, and a good jab to the face can not only concuss the person far more effectively, but also let you go into a combination if need be. Indeed, that position is great to be in, because you basically have a moment there where the attacker has very little they can do because of the angle you have created, so why go for the stupid eye poke? Punch him, crossface and throw him, it doesn't take much imagination to see how to better exploit that angle. It's not the mechanic of the technique that is wrong, although we could question the likelihood of the scenario, it's just the choice of finisher that tells you that "Master" Wong has no idea how to fight, let alone defend himself. This is like those classic Krav videos where they lean far too hard on telling you to use the groin shot without stressing the importance of knowing martial arts first principles: position, THEN attack.
Indeed, that first move is something you see in some karate styles, slide off line and _punch_ the opponent with a counter. Aiming for the eye sets you up for failure and law suits.
Great response to Wongs horrible techniques, your response was so subdued. I was laughing at Wong the whole way through. There is one thing I disagree with though, that attackers on the street know how to fight. Most people in any population are not trained in any martial art. People are attacked for different reasons and the probability of the attacker being trained in any martial art is very slim. Criminals generally atrack because they have a large size advantage and think the defender will be easy pickings, they are not looking for a fight, they expect no resistance and an easy win. Its not because they have a history of street fights. But you will not always be attacked by a criminal, many times attackers are not criminals and they attack due to anger over usually petty things like you looked at his girlfriend, showed perceived disrespect, etc. Here the person is attacking due to rage, often fueled by alcohol or drugs. These people are very rarely trained in any martial art. They are just angry and dont care, very often this is due to being drunk. So saying that a person that would attack you is likely to have a history of violent altercations is most likely false. To put this into perspective, there are currently just less than 300000 high school wrestlers in American schools across the country according to the U.S. schools database. They keep track of that stuff there😂 Anyway, if we double that number and say thst there are adults who did wrestling in high school and still remember it then that is 600000 people that know wrestling in America. That is 0.14% of the population!!! And that is for wrestling, a free combat sport offered in almost every American school. You pay nothing for it and you dont have to travel there since it is in school. It would be one of the most popular combat sports in the country. Even if you triple the number of high school wrestlers when factoring in adults that is still a tiny part of the popultion. If wrestling is only 0.14%, imagine bjj or mma which is very expensive and requires travel to go to lessons. Karate is quite popular but a mostly ineffective martial art (except for Kyokushin, Ashihara Keiken or similiar styles that are quite rare)
Bjj tought me you could be familiar with all scenarios and technics on earth and still be in the dark. I needed to watch rolls with commentary and getting real life experience to conect the dots. Technic a-z wont paint a picture about the meta. A million "if he do that i will do that" is a sucker plan not a gameplan by the way.
I love the BJJ concept of the heriarchy of positions, and thenidea yhat you don't have to go directly from losing to winning. You can take incremental steps as long as they take you in the right direction.
As far as Master wong's countent, the only ones I liked was Wing Chun apprentice season 1 and season 2 and Jeet Kune Do body weapon. There should be playlist on RUclips.
Master Wong is a typical martial artist who hasn't ever thought about self defense except as a way of getting people into his multi-year martial arts class. And that is the wrong answer. Self defense is about not being the victim of a violent crime or if you have a bad day, which is always possible, coming out of it better than you would have otherwise. It certainly isn't having a long list of scenarios each with its own pre-determined outcome (what my former teacher called "Organized despair"). Punchy-Kicky-Bendy-Twisty is part of it, but it's not about standing up folding your hands into proper fists and beating each other into submission and then ceremonially mounting them to show dominance. Sorry, that's baboons. Come to think of it that's the model he's working off. The stuff you were talking about at the end - a smallish core of fairly simple, high-percentage, widely applicable moves that don't rely on precision under stress, some experience getting knocked around and a commitment to fail the victim selection process - is what it's about. If the things you've been trained to do do more than one useful thing at a time so much the better. Block-Punch-Stop-See What Happened -> wrong answer. Throw a spanner into whatever plan he had for the crime. Get him off balance physically and mentally and never let him get his feet back under him until he leaves or you can leave safely -> right answer. He makes another bunch of wrong assumptions - that the defender is at least a rough match for the attacker, that the attacker wants to get in a fight, and that the legal system isn't a factor. He's still thinking about getting in a brawl. Predators generally look for prey, not for someone who might hurt them. The dynamics and goals of "Stop the threat" are very different than "Win the match". The one area where I think your perspective might prejudice you one way and mine might prejudice me the other is in the kind of students we have encountered and the situations they have to reasonably prepare for. It sounds like - and please correct me if this assumption is wrong - you had a fair number of people who had some size and strength and maybe experience and aggression already in place. Ours were mostly women and a couple really interesting projects working on self defense for the blind and people with less mobility. Words like "disproportionate" and "fairness", "you can just get away" didn't apply the way they do with physically matched people. Mutual combat wasn't likely to be a legal concern or a way the situation would start. Disparity of force was assumed. And the outcomes the defenders were looking at - rape, forcible sodomy, the potential for crippling injury, abduction, even death - meant the legal situation and restrictions on the defenders were somewhat different. _One guy in his twenties bumps into a similar guy and spills his beer. The other guy takes a swing, and it's on_ is worlds apart from _A bigger, stronger guy has decided to put various parts of his body into other parts of yours without permission and has a plan for how it will go down._ In the second case if the defender chews the attacker's head off and beats him to death with it the Law is likely to excuse or approve. In the first not so much. Yeah, my wife and I were dojo bums for a long time. I still am. We made every mistake in the book when we started teaching self defense as opposed to martial arts. Eventually we learned a few things. Then she had other priorities like writing a dozen books, running a State arts organization and chairing a city transportation committee. And I discovered that my arse was a finite resource which cancer made .... more finite.
agree with you man. Those are, at best, fighting moves not self defence. no attempt to escape or get out of danger. standing toe to toe and trading back and forth is not self defence
I think that being mentally able to blind someone or incapacitate them in life or death situation is really great ability to have. But I don't think that should be your first line of defense. Nor that you should spend months training to poke someone in their eyes :)
while most of the things he showed are lets be honest questionable in terms of efficiency there are some things in more unorthodox martial arts (also there was a time when Muay thai was considered unorthodox martial art) and weapons that are quite useful or at least worth giving consideration. and punch in the throat is not a lost cause. (its not something he shows but things like that in general) you don't have to be that well trained to be able to deliver it with enough force to cause enough damage to either get away or finish the fight. being able to hit with power is a better option but most if not all people when they start out hit primary with just their arm muscles and hit like that to stronger part of the body will not cause much damage even if it will be very unpleasant if you are not strong but the opponent is. now yes you are right the best way to learn to fight is to take actual classes in mixed martial arts and practice them for long time and that includes both the moves and actual sparring (i hit pads from time to time but I have never spared I feel confident that I would do better in a fight that someone who does not even hit the pads from time to time like i do but facing really powerful opponent I wouldn't really have the instinct quick enough to respond because while I was hit once or twice in my life it was long time ago when I was a kid in a fight i had no chance of winning and could not do anything and in order to really defend yourself you need to be able to defend yourself subconsciously which only comes with lots of practice) but not everyone has time money or in some cases some people don't even have physical ability to learn enough to defend themselves and even if they do it takes time discipline and right teacher as well as money. and knowing few basic moves that require little knowledge and technique is a good place to start as you are learning more and more. Now what this guy teaches isn't exactly most effective and the truth is that if opponent is better and stronger that you you can't be afraid of him but you will probably lose and while the techniques he shows are mostly ineffective. (some right down pointless because you don't hit opponents dome of the head with back of your head that is self sabotage and if you hit them to the face they will learn quickly how to avoid that) things like hits to the throat do have their place in self defense and in truth no martial art will make you fully bullet proof in self defense situation if an opponent has a knife most of blocks that will work perfectly fine in hand to hand combat will go right out the window, and the best you can hope for in this type of encounter if you can't run away is to cause enough damage quickly enough so that opponent can only stab you once or twice and not in vital area and you will survive. (regardless if you had martial arts training or not) but if you have no knowledge of martial arts whatsoever or even if you do but not have practiced enough to it being a second nature using things that are often looked down upon by most martial artist as too impractical are actually better to use if you have no prior training. No what this guy is showing is not what I would have in mind but there have to be things that are.
In my defense: I watched this British gentleman before he found out that his sharks with laser-cannons were allied to those octopods with rocket launchers! 🤗
I think many of your criticisms are fair, but some of them are overly snide. 1) The idea of an intercepting strike (including with a sidestep) is not uncommon. You see them all the time in both sport fighting and in footage from self-defense encounters. Does it rely on reading when the first punch is going to come? Yes. That's not a ridiculous thing though. There are plenty of tells and cues. Most fights start as verbal altercations, so its not unrealistic that you could read the adversary's shift from words to fists and intercept. Also, an intercepting eye jab as a response blow is not terribly disproportional. What's disproportional is going to a weapon or continuing strikes against an opponent that is no longer a threat. So, the intercepting eye jab is not ridiculous, but you're right that the timing requires significant skill. Your argument that "if someone is trying to hurt you they're not going to throw just one punch" isn't exactly fair either. I do not think Wong is implying that the eye jab is the only strike you need to throw, but rather that hitting it stops the attack and gives you the opportunity to go on the offensive or escape. 2) Every self-defense system needs a defense against a haymaker/wild hook. What Wong demonstrates is pretty standard. Cover your head and move into the blow to smother the attack and get inside the other arm. (This is sometimes called "crashing".) If you don't like the dig to the solar plexus, ok, I can agree with that to a certain extent. That's a hard blow to throw well if you're not a very high level dirty boxer (to include wing chun). But to be honest, what you do with the striking hand -- push, elbow, collar tie, palm strike, etc. -- is not really the important part of the demo and can vary according to the individual. The important thing (and the thing Wong intends to demonstrate I think) is the cover and smother principle. 3) I agree with you on number 3. The knee kick counter is too Hollywood. Its super cool in concept, but even a high level martial artist would have an extremely hard time landing that one flush. Those kinds of knee kicks should come out of the clinch or at trapping range, when you have at least some control over the opponent's position and a much firmer sense of range and when you can kick more down than side ways into the knee. 4) I think your criticism is too persnickety on this one. The adversary goes for a lead hand shirt grab and rear hand strike ("hockey fighting") -- a very common attack from untrained people that every self defense system needs an answer for. Again, he shows the cover and smother concept a little -- which is good. He shows how to peel the grip -- which is good. And he shows how to put counter-pressure on the wrist and elbow -- which is good. Can you expect it to work as cleanly in a real fight? No. But all the concepts presented are basically sound and relevant. I do think Wong is exagerrating to say that you should be expecting to break the arm...but that's just salesmanship, I think. 5) The bear hug combination is pretty standard. Like you said, its been in movies and a million other places. There may be better combos, but its not really wrong. On your self-defense comments... I agree that it is better to teach principles and core skills, but I think you're being a bit unfair. That said, statistically speaking, there are specific things you need to address because they're so common -- sucker punch, haymaker, and bear hug among them (see above). Also, be fair, this video is clearly intended by Wong to be an appetizer for broader instruction. Its not meant to be taken as a comprehensive system. On Master Wong in general... I think Master Wong has very strong, practical Wing Chun and he cross-trains with other styles often. He's not a fake. You can tell in the way he moves that he knows how to fight. In that respect, I think if you know what you're looking for, you can get a lot out of his videos. Do you have to wade through a lot of bluster and salesmanship? Clearly, yes. And that's annoying...but I'm forgiving on that. The guy is trying to make a living in a second language and I don't begrudge him his marketing strategy. If you poke around youtube more, you'll find a lot of other videos where he's not "in character" and he offers much more thoughtful commentary.
He starts the whole video assuming anyone can slip a punch without practicing? That can be counterintuitive and scary, as well as just difficult. SIMULTANEOUSLY we’re supposed to land a…my god. The armbar he taught is so unsound. In BJJ there’s a great collar-grab-defense armbar that slams the attacker’s head on the ground…and it’s easy. Why u do this Master Wong?!?
This video is the longest I've ever been able to watch him. I find his frenetic, almost manic, style of delivery unpleasant. I guess one is expected to pick up, or become polluted by, his emotional state and interpret it as enthusiasm. Enthusiasm for his course, the one he's trying to sell. He repeatedly says, "It's easy" and, "Anyone can do it" with the course logo on the screen. If he can get the audience agitated they are more susceptible to suggestion like that.
I'm really Not fan of Master Wong That Self Defense videos is Master Wong's Women's Self Defense 😅😅😅 I really want Reacted more to Freddie Lee's Modern Kung Fu RUclips video & Jake Mace's Kung Fu & Tai Chi RUclips videos & Thomas Marx - Original Jeet Kune Do IFO RUclips videos 🥋🥊
Do you understand all that he's saying? I mean recognize words, not the general content/meaning/ideas. He said something like "People want to kich me in the nuts?" or "like to"? I heard "want to" anyway both versions are kind of comical :D
This M.Wong making this only for money and has no really abilities! He likes you whatever critic you write, he understand how to make money with content ;)
Who watches these videos anyway? I doubt anyone who trains does, unless it is just for pure juvenile ridiculement of these ”techniques” - my stuff is usually about whatever BJJ technique I’m trying to improve or whoever fighter’s style I’m studying, not some ”easy self-defence” because I know there’s nothing easy about fighting of self-defence. But there’s millions of people who found something of value in this? What is it? Wish fullfilment? Childish revenge fantasies? Why on earth would anyone search for this stuff, or even click on it in their feed? Is it just the character? I don’t care about the money or any of this influencer crap, I just wonder what is the psychological motive for people to watch this?
As someone lives in a state in the US where the laws and culture are very gun friendly the general advice that is given out, if they ask for property (like a wallet) compile, if they try to make you go somewhere else with them, fight.
No, these will not work. I had the knee thing happened to me twice (once in a sparring match and the other in an actually fight [during middle school]) and the first time I was able to stop the momentum of spinning around with my other foot, and powered pushed my entire weight back upward like a spring and close-lined my opponent-- our sensei deducted a point because it was Karate class; not pro wrestling. The second, I was fighting a guy and his friend ran up on my right and kicked me in the knee hard, and at that time I had a lot more experience, I went with the motion and sweep him. He nearly fell over the stair balcony. The thing is Mr. Wong is selling a Hollywood dream-- people that are most likely to watch him want to believe there is one secret technique, or super secret action that will allow them to beat up anyone without working hard. If you want to learn how to defend yourself, then YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO DEFEND YOURSELF. There is no easy way around it. I really think looking at "self defense as an art" is self defeating 'cause it will work as long as you don't run into an attacker that actually know whatever technique you are pulling from. If anyone wants to learn to self defend, learn an art that fits your body type and more importantly how you respond, then from there actually practice. All you really need is 3 to 6 minutes to save yourself from most encounters. If an attacker is after money, etc. when you pose to be not an easy mark, most will leave or you will create the opportunity to flee. If there is a person that is trying to fight you after 3 - 6 minutes, then chances are that it's personal. And at that point you will have to fight-- that's the main reason why you learn; apologies, gifts, and amends doesn't turn away indignation.
You should do a follow up video showing your defences against the same attacks. It would be interesting to see your rationale and techniques in action. Of course you could also use Master Wong speech while doing so. I'd pay to see it.
Oh that might have to be a thing...
Speaking from an American perspective (the only one I really have): "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six" is a great mantra for people who don't understand how civil lawsuits work or what life is like inside a maximum-security penitentiary.
Lol! Very good point.
I agree to an extent, but given how corrupt our legal system is, it is quite possible for a self-defense case to be blown up on ridiculous charges into a criminal case. At the heart of it the saying it means I would rather fight and live but face potential consequences than die because of my refusal to defend myself. I can agree with that sentiment
@@charliedavis3931 I agree, but the point of the saying is that in a life or death situation it is better to win than die.
while you do make a good point, in the end in some circumstances you simply have no choice but to defend yourself or be seriously hurt or even dead. and the court system can be unjust either way so in some circumstances no matter how careful you are you can end up facing unfair judgement. And someone who truly threatens you will not be a young much less old woman, or a guy with a dog, and you can not engage with some drunk guy who might want to hurt you but is more likely just be frustrated with life and not thinking straight (although at that moment you need to consider that self defense might be necessary) the person who actually comes after you will be someone who has experience in fighting people and more often than not has some kind of edge over whoever they want to fight otherwise they wouldn't be starting this kind of fight. and at this point you give them wide berth until you can but at some point you might be forced to defend yourself and then you simply need to do what is necessary to survive and if it means seriously hurting that person or persons then its simply something you need to do and that is what is in the heart of "I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" statement even if this statement does not apply to every situation.
@@bartangel4867 Exactly, you get it.
Sir, as I think back the Army taught us some stuff in hand to hand (SOCP) that actually did work, and it could be devastating. In these many years since then I have only had occasion to use one of these moves twice, the rear naked choke. Both times it was necessary to the situation I was in, and I stopped when my opponent became noncombatant. This is one of the reasons I was never charged with any crime. This guy is "click bait" hunting, and nothing else. Some of his displayed moves might work on occasion, but it would be very situational, and I don't wish to explain in court why I felt the need to blind someone for life. Interesting video, thanks.
Clickbait hunting would be legitimate, misinforming people about the dangers of crime (technically sending them to death & mutilation) COULD be seen as extremely irresponsible. Therapists are about ``fear of being beaten up´´, but that is not 5% of how crime is committed, and how to survive it and handle the aftermath. Fighter idiocies. 95% of which make believers end in prison or psychiatric care themselves.
I’ve been doing BJJ for many years now, and I’m mediocre at best.
Something comforting about this being the most watched self-defence video: the less people know about grappling, the more confident I can be!
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Me and my mate used to cry with laughter at Master Wong videos back in the day. No doubt he could give most ppl a good kicking tho
I am really happy you pointed out that the type of person that is likely to attack have probably been in a lot of fights before! I think there is a dangerous misconception floating around the internet that "street thugs" are rarely trained in martial arts and therefore any "basic technique" will work against them. In reality I dont know if there are any statistics regarding the correlation between martial artist and violent criminals. What I do know however is that violent criminals are often repeat offenders, so if you are not they have probably been in a lot more street/ har/whatever - fights than you have.
Another issue I have with the kind of "superleathal" techniques that Master Wong ( and many others) focus so much on is that I dont think most normal people could make themselves do that to another person. I have held pads for complete beginners and it takes some time to convince them that they can hit the pad fairly hard. People who are new to HEMA often mess up techniquedrills abit because they unconsciously aim beside there partner. Most people are reluctant to be physicall against another person at all so I will submit that if you are not heavely conditioned or some kind of sociopath you are VERY unlikely to put your fingers in somebodys eye or grab anyones balls.
I hope you can get together with that friend of yours that you mentioned in the end of the video and try these techniques out. If possible I would really see some better suggestions aswell :)
#fightteam
@Vallen Mmm, but there are other things at work. What does the bad guy want? Why did he choose to go after you here and now? At what point will he say "Screw it. This is more trouble than it's worth"? People who do crimes generally have a plan. How can you mess with it so the crime isn't running on rails? These are what make self defense different than simply winning a round of knuckle tag in the ring.
I would also bet on (as in expecting) street criminals & street thugs to fight with banned weapons. In Germany any decent knife is already illegal, but criminals are people, who could not care less about laws. Plus: Civilian comfort is not, where crime ends. There will be an aftermath to almost any real attack, as the other faction will not just comply & wait to be arrested.
I feel that Master Wong vastly overestimates how much getting girls and having children factors into one's willingness to continue fighting, in the heat of the moment. Also, I feel his best self defence technique is his crazy-face. I wouldn't want to mess with someone who looks at me like that.
You make a good argument!
He has these golden opportunities presented, like when he blocks the hooks, he gets in really good grappling positions, like being able to get head frames or underhooks, but he goes into these little short range taps that are going to annoy at best.
Not to mention that eye gouge at the beginning will fail miserably if the puncher takes his head offline or turns his shoulder up.
Classic Wong.
Grappling does definitely offer a very different perspective on fighting that he seems to lack.
@@EnglishMartialArts The elbow to the sternum actually works to shock for the tiny amount of time needed to clinch. But if that time is over, the move is wasted.
@@EnglishMartialArts If his whole background is Wing Chun then his whole background is part of one system of boxing. That puts some serious limits on his options.
self defense move 1: Situational awareness
self defense move 2: Cardio
Self defense move 3: knowing which tools are legal to carry where you currently reside.
Self defense move 4: bring friends with you wherever you are going in public.
I have never encountered Master Wong before, and I can live totally fine without ever encountering him again.
I personally think that boxing and wrestling are the best martial arts for self-defense.
Why?
Because you can "shove people around" (very important to make space to get the hell outta the situation before things get *really* nasty) and, if need be, you can be on your feet and defend yourself (imho boxing is the best martial art when comes to hitting people. Maybe 'cause it's the only thing you can do in it :P But it's also great to teach you moving and weaving instead of standing in one spot with one leg off the ground).
This being said, the most important ability in self-defense is to see the situation unfolding and being able to de-escalate or, preferably, avoid the conflict all together.
I agree, even in jiujitsu not all has the same value. My favorite self defence tecniques are 1) how to fall, 2)how to stand up with minimal damage. 3) timing and clinching 4) head grabs and body grabs. Punches kicks that type of stuff if you dont know what u are doing keep distance and try to clinch, protect your face, hope for the best. Breaking greeps works same times mybe the best is let him have it. Normaly you grip to punch.... let he keep the grio and go close. Luck is very importante and numbers too.
Agreed all round.
The head cover and elbow point to the chest does seem to turn up in both Kelly McCann and Urban Combatives work, also the escape from the rear, over arm, bear hug seems to have elements going back to WW2 combatives....
The first "move" you should probably "know" is to run.
Don't scream "Help!", scream "FIRE!"(, people don't want to help people, but everybody loves a good burn up)
Problem is everyone knows about that "Scream 'Fire'" bit.
And people already know to run away from danger. Unless you're a track coach they are coming to you to learn something they don't already know. Also, you have to have somewhere safer to run to or you'll just be in the same fight but tired. And getting dragged down from behind sucks bowling balls through 50 feet of garden hose.
Your wife and children are going to love that, as you disappear in the distance
@@maximisatwat don’t have a wife nor kids.
Loadsa departed friends from fighting people with knives though…
The dumbest thing Wong did was the defense to being grabbed from behind. He didnt do anything that would cause the grip to break, yet somehow he was able to step forward and gain enough distance to kick the guy. Anyone with a grappling background would be able to pick him up UNLESS he dropped his weight right away.
I always thought that Master Wong was a comedy routine...
He may well be.
16:00 that foot stomp is also real useful when the other guy is wearing boots… or is sprawling to get his legs and groin back because it’s all you can attack (or he just knows how to wrestle).
Also against double overhooks around the body, why bother with all that? Drop your weight, turn around and pop back up. Takedown of your choice.
As far as actual physical fighting in self defense I think it’s best to essentially learn how to fight in phone booth so to speak. One of the things I plan on doing is making an mma cage that’s about half the diameter of a regular cage
Dude you’re too nice. That guy is a con man. Lying to people and making money from it.
I’ll like to see that vid with the 6”9 mma champion it’d be funny.
Master Wong de bunked 😂
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
The concept is right there in the saying. Carried by 6 means you are dead and they are the pallbearers. This implies the attacker was using deadly force.
So this saying should only apply to people who attack with weapons or in numbers where your life is in danger.
It is totally disproportionate to try to maim someone who is throwing a punch at you. 😂
Exactly.
There are other "Your life is in danger" situations. Many of them depend on _disparity of force_ other than weapons or numbers. Take Bubba. Bubba is 300 pounds of muscle who bucks hay bales for a living and pumps iron three hours a day. Granny is 90 years old and weighs one pound for each of those years. If Granny attacks Bubba with her umbrella he *MIGHT* be justified in holding her at arm's length until she gets tired. If Bubba lays a hand on Granny and she shoots him so full of holes that birds can nest in his chest cavity the Law is likely to say "Nice groups, Ma'am." Adjust the "shoots" part for weapons laws in your jurisdiction. Void where prohibited. Use only as directed. But you get the idea.
It’s not that he’s “too much”, for me, he’s “too wrong” for me. I like a more grounded strategy. There are some kung fu guys that come grounded and mix in stuff that seems functional and it at least deserves a look. But nothing this guy does works within the realms of actual contact violence.
I guess I don't see his actual techniques as being much worse than most Self Defence crap out there. But his delivery makes me unreasonably angry.
Please make more videos about MastaWongs imbecility! Its too few critic in the net about his irresponsibilities!!
Good video, however master Wong isn’t all nonsense, he does have some good stuff out there, and I’ve actually trained at one of his seminars back in 2015. We did pretty effective boxing and grappling techniques and did full sparring with gear on. We did drill of our training partners rushing at us throwing barrages of strikes and we had to parry and get in a clinch or smother the attack and try get them in a choke. It was decent self defence training at full speed. There is a clip of the seminar look up ‘MMA training with master wong’ and it’s the top result. My mate is the brown belt in the vid we were only 15.
I bet Master Wank has never been in an all-out brawl or even a serious 1-to-1 fight 🙃
Oh, none of these were self defense moves. They were all (but one) from the front, initiated from long distance. These attacks all had the hallmarks of consensual violence - i.e. a fight between two blokes. To be fair, I have been assaulted by haymakers from the front, but those were all because the other bloke wanted a fight rather than a predatory assault/ambush, and they got that close because I was inexperienced and didn't pick up on what was happening in time.
And then most of the counters were low percentage type moves that would be unlikely to work against a determined attacker. The elbow crash is good in principle, but the did not do that one good move in an effective fashion, which is _very_ telling.
Lastly, as you pointed out, none of his follow ups were what would legally be called "self defense", they were all sustained, aggravated assaults against an opponent which had stopped fight (because they all did just a single attack ofc), trying to blind, cripple and pound the spine and back of the head.
There was simply no self defense what so ever on display by Mr Wong.
The thumb joint lock was particularly silly. I say this as someone who has trained in classical jujutsu for years, where one thing you learn is just how damn hard that sort of move is to pull off against a resisting opponent. The "keys" to locks are given to you by your opponent and the windows to use them are extremely fleeting. Presenting that technique as a self defense move "everyone should know" is simply laughably silly, it takes years and years to be able to do it against an unarmoured opponent. Which leads me to mentioning that the wrist turning kote gaeshi type throw originates from armoured combat systems. When you wear an O-yoroi Japanese suit of full armour, your balance and weight changes drastically and a lot of the low percentage/high skill type joint throws in classical jujutsu suddenly becomes _much_ easier to pull off. Mainly because the opponent's weight is shifted upwards by the cuirass and helmet, meaning the body's tipping point is much higher up/easier to push someone over, but also because the opponent isn't grabbing a cloth lapel on your jacket, they are grabbing the edge of your cuirass. This means that when you clamp your hand over his, you literally have a metal edge to exert leverage into his hand with. Like I said, it changes these techniques fundamentally.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk about armoured unarmed throws, haha.
That's really interesting. It makes me wonder about a video on how armour changes grappling...
I must admit, I do like Master wong. He has character and followed him for a while, do I agree with most of his techniques? Nope.
There is a problem I have with self defence, especially for the examples shown here, I'm not sure how many people have had real fights on here however, pending on how the attacks start, not expected sky attacks or square on, assuming you predict a fight will ensure, you go through a mix of emotions. It can range from fear, anger, confusion and definately a shoot of adrenaline, maybe all of these. You also can take a lot more pain than practiced in the dojo. A little dig in the ribs with knuckles can hurt, however, take a dig when your adrenalin is at an all time high. Anger or fear is rushing through your body, it's harder to hurt someone in that state, as a golden rule of course.
This false training and confidence is why a lot of martial artists have been neaten by your average toe rag...
Good points.
Waiting on master wong to fight the DUST guy and they just stand there asking the other guy to do specific attacks until time runs out. 😂😅
Oh that's a parody video waiting to be made...
1- Counter a punch by jambing yiur fingers into their brow
2- Step elbows first into a grapple
3- Block a kick by exposing your head to attack
4- Carefully search for his thumb
5- Smack 'im, smack 'im, smack 'im
And nowhere is escape mentioned. My understanding of self-defense is to do your best to get home with the same number of holes in your body as with which you began the day. He seems more intent on outright defeat than self-preservation. I haven't seen any of his other stuff ... not particularly interested.
Fight, team!
It is sort of amusing how it would have legitimately been a better advise if Master Wong just told you to do the primitive attacks he is defending against here (like a collar grab & punch) instead of the weird bullshido armbreaks.
I was thought to fight in the army. It I would have to instruct to teach a five foot. 100 pound girl how to fight. the attacker is going to be bigger. the attacker don´t care about your health and saftey. Is their a reason why you care about the attackers. Don´t try to pick the fingers in the eyes. you will break your fingers. use your fist and think of a point a one or two inch behinde the eye. If you are kicking someone in the knee. try to force it. to move in a way. it´s not built to move. you might have to get a Lawyer. that can explaine why it was proportional. If something don´t work with your grandmother or a five foot, 100 pound girl. that don´t like to exercise. then It´s not for evrybody.
Spot on.
😂😂😂"Master" Wong ?! Really ?! Are you kidding me ?!... The man is a clown, it's just business there and showtime ! :)
Wong has a plan, but so does everyone until they get punched in the face
There's a reason why I rate mark phillips and his fight science channel because he trains Wing Chun, Sanshou, BJJ and Judo. Over this stuff because mark's wing chun looks like dirty boxing and he talks about punches leading into takedowns etc. This guy doesn't.
and now a serious answer:
WOULD those 5 "techniques" work - Yes. For people with a certain technical experience, strength, weight and mind set, those plays most definitely will work. But those counter attacks are named "EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW" and this is absolutely wrong.
I would say.... there is a good argument to make, that there are NO self defence moves which would work for everybody - well except taking a gun and shoot. hhhhmmmm maybe not even this. 🤷♂
Master Wong looks like he could have a decent career as a film fight choreographer, but a self defense expert... no I don't think so.
Fight Team!
And therein lies his success. Its all stuff that looks nice and flashy on video. And nothing more.
Excellent video, Oz and in defense to Master Wong, his physical arts conditioning videos are very well done....BTW, "No more pretty women" comment he made from the first technique just made me laugh...OMG.
Please make a video about self defence concepts which are actually useful.
There's a couple short books which are full of wisdom about what really works:
Jeff Cooper _Principles of Personal Defense_
Debbie Leung _Self Defense_
Very different perspectives for very different audiences. But solid gold.
As an American, I must say your dry counterpoint was wonderful against the hyper Mr. Wong. Never give crack to Wing Chun guys! Seriously, I could recommend you search out more marginal demos and toss your opinion into the ring. It is a tonic for those of us punch drunk from all the strange stuff passing for useful training to the uninformed. But some of it isn't really his fault.
It all starts with- who else- Bruce Lee. He was a great innovator, in a time when that wasn't cool. He dissected arts- and, to be honest, to dissect something it has to be dead anyway- and went against common thought and teachings for the time, at least where Asian arts are concerned. And even he, who tended to drop the classical methods like a live grenade, had trouble abandoning it. The finger poke, or bil jee, was part of his training. At the end, he is rumored to have discarded most of the Wing Chun aspects because he thought the training had little application when you could just punch a guy. So Mr. Wong is going to try to rejuvenate some Wing Chun to prove it can actually work. They all do. if you stick with a 'classical' art for a while you get indoctrinated and it sticks to you like glue! My background is in Tang Soo Do, so I still want to work in some kicks even though I know in my heart if it were real I wouldn't bother to mash the nether regions as Mr. Wong seems fond of.
I am glad to hear you say that most training doesn't teach you how to fail. I heard a saying, 'learn to fail quickly'. If there is a real philosophy to self-defense, I think that is it. No matter how many years of training I have, I have yet to be involved in anything like it. I am more likely to get blindsided while at the ATM, or while loading my groceries than being challenged to a manly duel of fisticuffs and spinning kicks. So I hope to fail quickly and react appropriately.
He had other things besides the eye poke, but It all seemed a way to tweak semi-trained folks into adding a few rabbit punches and groin abuse to what they think they know. I am classifying him more as entertainment than training. He is the Asian Master Ken.
shut up man you make no sense
If you've seen Wong spar, he is an average intermediate student. His Wing Chun is at best intermediate level, his Tai Chi is hardly recognizable as such, and his JKD is just a mish mash of some basic kickboxing mostly. His claims of Master are unfounded. Search internet forums and even right here on RUclips and you will find real Masters laughing at his skill.
Interesting!
Great reaction video Oz :)
I will admit, I do like a bit of master Wong.
I hope he doesn’t see this though or in 9 months time we will see you both on a misfits RUclips boxing event 😅
I think I'd enjoy that.
7:29 in his defense, elbow crashing works tho, the only reason it isn't popular is because the main striking arts are all boxing based, even the ones that allow elbows, stuff like that is done by lethwei dudes, for example.
We actually drilled that technique in my Muay Thai gym the other day, and Ive used it in sparring. So yeah, it definitely is real
However, it isn't some instant fight ending strike that idiots like Wong claim it is. It's meant to be a way to quickly enter the clinch against an opponent who's trying to punch you, so you should have some basic grappling ability of you do that
I've always seen it as a way of trying to make some space while closing. It's not even close to being a fight stopping blow unless your opponent already has a nasty heart condition...
@@kaitosevski3881 oh I am aware it's not fight ending, but even Wong says that you should follow up afterwards.
@@kaitosevski3881 One of the things I've always appreciated about the Muay Thai elbows is that they could defend and attack at the same time with the same move.
There is a simple 2 method defense system. One, leg it, two, if not possible do the windmill as fast as you can. If you witness two toddlers fighting they will anatomically swing both arms fast in a circular motion .... That's a method if you know nothing ......
The main thing that troubles me about these kind of self defence videos is for people that don't understand close range work.
The lack of understanding of the fundamental things like base and understanding pressure full stop. How to peel hands, when getting out of holds when you're attacked from behind like in this video.
The single attacks coming in i.e, a scruffy centreline punch coming in, are more like entry techniques you learn when actually learning attributes. Not as real world applications
He seems to have this Ashida Kim like idea that people disintegrate as soon as you touch them.
Well with Ashida Kim they do!
2:00 or Jon (Jones)
And what if the person is wearing glasses lol... Can't do first one..
Can't believe there have been more than 100 comments and nobody has brought up the Ultimate English Martial Arts Self Defense Video
ruclips.net/video/7Kng950x1rE/видео.html
Why dont you do 5 of your own easiest + most effective bareknuckle/pugilism / HEMA / whatever it is you do moves?
Thanks Oz, fight tooth and nail, go berserk on an attacker, don't hold back and bite like a pitbull. But you're right pain hurts and if you're not used to getting hit (I haven't been hit in over 20 years) how do you deal with the system shock? As for killing, well .380 ACP isn't much but if I can I'm blasting away until the threat is neutralized.
The thing that gets me about these finger strikes is they're not for every tom dick and Harry. The types of finger strikes used in TMA were predicated on the practitioner spending years conditioning their fingers to reliably withstand repeated authoritative jabs on a tree, as well as years training their nervous system to have the accuracy to reliably hit what you are looking at. It can be done, I can stick my fingers into a solid surface. But it took fking ages to train them to this point. Why spend all that time training your fingers like that when your fist is structurally more sound and is almost guaranteed to hurt more? Hell, you don't even need to make a fist, a stiff slap or palm will rock most brains. I digress, finger strikes are pants. Don't use them.
dude's so funny tho he can talk as much wack as he wants, I love the man.
The eblow to the sternum is extremely painful, but the problem with the move is you have to get close. Most people who practise this do it slowly. The move is in karate. Its a defence move against so many attacks you just move in and do the move without thinking. No i do not care for karate as self defence system or bJJ. I think the blocks in karate or any other MA can help, boxing is superior in that regard, though they have a problem withe gloves. The latter aids in blocking due to size, so the boxer has problems on the street with also they are trained to hit the head which is not good. The best defence system is judo in my opinion.
snake strikes from snake style are very advance
The poor kids that had to watch these "adults" play fight. Hilarious to think about
What I want to know about that first move is, if you have the skill to do it and you do see the punch coming, why throw an eye poke that is liable to just piss the person off and not stop them? Why not throw a punch instead? It looks like you are positioned perfectly to do so, and a good jab to the face can not only concuss the person far more effectively, but also let you go into a combination if need be. Indeed, that position is great to be in, because you basically have a moment there where the attacker has very little they can do because of the angle you have created, so why go for the stupid eye poke? Punch him, crossface and throw him, it doesn't take much imagination to see how to better exploit that angle. It's not the mechanic of the technique that is wrong, although we could question the likelihood of the scenario, it's just the choice of finisher that tells you that "Master" Wong has no idea how to fight, let alone defend himself. This is like those classic Krav videos where they lean far too hard on telling you to use the groin shot without stressing the importance of knowing martial arts first principles: position, THEN attack.
Indeed, that first move is something you see in some karate styles, slide off line and _punch_ the opponent with a counter. Aiming for the eye sets you up for failure and law suits.
Targeting the eyes is quite effective, it's especially a good option for weaker people. Obviously this video is a bad example.
Great response to Wongs horrible techniques, your response was so subdued. I was laughing at Wong the whole way through.
There is one thing I disagree with though, that attackers on the street know how to fight. Most people in any population are not trained in any martial art. People are attacked for different reasons and the probability of the attacker being trained in any martial art is very slim.
Criminals generally atrack because they have a large size advantage and think the defender will be easy pickings, they are not looking for a fight, they expect no resistance and an easy win. Its not because they have a history of street fights.
But you will not always be attacked by a criminal, many times attackers are not criminals and they attack due to anger over usually petty things like you looked at his girlfriend, showed perceived disrespect, etc. Here the person is attacking due to rage, often fueled by alcohol or drugs. These people are very rarely trained in any martial art. They are just angry and dont care, very often this is due to being drunk.
So saying that a person that would attack you is likely to have a history of violent altercations is most likely false.
To put this into perspective, there are currently just less than 300000 high school wrestlers in American schools across the country according to the U.S. schools database. They keep track of that stuff there😂
Anyway, if we double that number and say thst there are adults who did wrestling in high school and still remember it then that is 600000 people that know wrestling in America. That is 0.14% of the population!!!
And that is for wrestling, a free combat sport offered in almost every American school. You pay nothing for it and you dont have to travel there since it is in school. It would be one of the most popular combat sports in the country.
Even if you triple the number of high school wrestlers when factoring in adults that is still a tiny part of the popultion.
If wrestling is only 0.14%, imagine bjj or mma which is very expensive and requires travel to go to lessons.
Karate is quite popular but a mostly ineffective martial art (except for Kyokushin, Ashihara Keiken or similiar styles that are quite rare)
Bjj tought me you could be familiar with all scenarios and technics on earth and still be in the dark. I needed to watch rolls with commentary and getting real life experience to conect the dots. Technic a-z wont paint a picture about the meta.
A million "if he do that i will do that" is a sucker plan not a gameplan by the way.
I love the BJJ concept of the heriarchy of positions, and thenidea yhat you don't have to go directly from losing to winning. You can take incremental steps as long as they take you in the right direction.
As far as Master wong's countent, the only ones I liked was Wing Chun apprentice season 1 and season 2 and Jeet Kune Do body weapon. There should be playlist on RUclips.
Master Wong is a typical martial artist who hasn't ever thought about self defense except as a way of getting people into his multi-year martial arts class. And that is the wrong answer. Self defense is about not being the victim of a violent crime or if you have a bad day, which is always possible, coming out of it better than you would have otherwise. It certainly isn't having a long list of scenarios each with its own pre-determined outcome (what my former teacher called "Organized despair"). Punchy-Kicky-Bendy-Twisty is part of it, but it's not about standing up folding your hands into proper fists and beating each other into submission and then ceremonially mounting them to show dominance. Sorry, that's baboons. Come to think of it that's the model he's working off.
The stuff you were talking about at the end - a smallish core of fairly simple, high-percentage, widely applicable moves that don't rely on precision under stress, some experience getting knocked around and a commitment to fail the victim selection process - is what it's about. If the things you've been trained to do do more than one useful thing at a time so much the better. Block-Punch-Stop-See What Happened -> wrong answer. Throw a spanner into whatever plan he had for the crime. Get him off balance physically and mentally and never let him get his feet back under him until he leaves or you can leave safely -> right answer.
He makes another bunch of wrong assumptions - that the defender is at least a rough match for the attacker, that the attacker wants to get in a fight, and that the legal system isn't a factor. He's still thinking about getting in a brawl. Predators generally look for prey, not for someone who might hurt them. The dynamics and goals of "Stop the threat" are very different than "Win the match".
The one area where I think your perspective might prejudice you one way and mine might prejudice me the other is in the kind of students we have encountered and the situations they have to reasonably prepare for. It sounds like - and please correct me if this assumption is wrong - you had a fair number of people who had some size and strength and maybe experience and aggression already in place. Ours were mostly women and a couple really interesting projects working on self defense for the blind and people with less mobility.
Words like "disproportionate" and "fairness", "you can just get away" didn't apply the way they do with physically matched people. Mutual combat wasn't likely to be a legal concern or a way the situation would start. Disparity of force was assumed. And the outcomes the defenders were looking at - rape, forcible sodomy, the potential for crippling injury, abduction, even death - meant the legal situation and restrictions on the defenders were somewhat different. _One guy in his twenties bumps into a similar guy and spills his beer. The other guy takes a swing, and it's on_ is worlds apart from _A bigger, stronger guy has decided to put various parts of his body into other parts of yours without permission and has a plan for how it will go down._ In the second case if the defender chews the attacker's head off and beats him to death with it the Law is likely to excuse or approve. In the first not so much.
Yeah, my wife and I were dojo bums for a long time. I still am. We made every mistake in the book when we started teaching self defense as opposed to martial arts. Eventually we learned a few things. Then she had other priorities like writing a dozen books, running a State arts organization and chairing a city transportation committee. And I discovered that my arse was a finite resource which cancer made .... more finite.
agree with you man. Those are, at best, fighting moves not self defence. no attempt to escape or get out of danger. standing toe to toe and trading back and forth is not self defence
I think that being mentally able to blind someone or incapacitate them in life or death situation is really great ability to have.
But I don't think that should be your first line of defense.
Nor that you should spend months training to poke someone in their eyes :)
you are missing the point, buddy. This stuff works ONLY if you always say "BUMM LIKE THIS" 🤣
Oh, of course. I'm such an idiot.
while most of the things he showed are lets be honest questionable in terms of efficiency there are some things in more unorthodox martial arts (also there was a time when Muay thai was considered unorthodox martial art) and weapons that are quite useful or at least worth giving consideration. and punch in the throat is not a lost cause. (its not something he shows but things like that in general) you don't have to be that well trained to be able to deliver it with enough force to cause enough damage to either get away or finish the fight. being able to hit with power is a better option but most if not all people when they start out hit primary with just their arm muscles and hit like that to stronger part of the body will not cause much damage even if it will be very unpleasant if you are not strong but the opponent is. now yes you are right the best way to learn to fight is to take actual classes in mixed martial arts and practice them for long time and that includes both the moves and actual sparring (i hit pads from time to time but I have never spared I feel confident that I would do better in a fight that someone who does not even hit the pads from time to time like i do but facing really powerful opponent I wouldn't really have the instinct quick enough to respond because while I was hit once or twice in my life it was long time ago when I was a kid in a fight i had no chance of winning and could not do anything and in order to really defend yourself you need to be able to defend yourself subconsciously which only comes with lots of practice) but not everyone has time money or in some cases some people don't even have physical ability to learn enough to defend themselves and even if they do it takes time discipline and right teacher as well as money. and knowing few basic moves that require little knowledge and technique is a good place to start as you are learning more and more.
Now what this guy teaches isn't exactly most effective and the truth is that if opponent is better and stronger that you you can't be afraid of him but you will probably lose and while the techniques he shows are mostly ineffective. (some right down pointless because you don't hit opponents dome of the head with back of your head that is self sabotage and if you hit them to the face they will learn quickly how to avoid that) things like hits to the throat do have their place in self defense
and in truth no martial art will make you fully bullet proof in self defense situation if an opponent has a knife most of blocks that will work perfectly fine in hand to hand combat will go right out the window, and the best you can hope for in this type of encounter if you can't run away is to cause enough damage quickly enough so that opponent can only stab you once or twice and not in vital area and you will survive. (regardless if you had martial arts training or not)
but if you have no knowledge of martial arts whatsoever or even if you do but not have practiced enough to it being a second nature using things that are often looked down upon by most martial artist as too impractical are actually better to use if you have no prior training.
No what this guy is showing is not what I would have in mind but there have to be things that are.
When adrenaline is pumping....
Covering for a hook is gonna move you; very basic and simple😂
Great points also your when the legs turn to jelly when the adrenaline kicks in the Dynamics all go out of the window
I think you summed it up really well at the end of the video: learn how to fight. (BJJ student.)
Good point on the eye good vedlo
he completely ignored iron crotch as self defense method.
The one-inch-punch was hyped by Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do performances more than by any real Wing Chun Ving Tzun Ving Tsun Wing whatever.
In my defense: I watched this British gentleman before he found out that his sharks with laser-cannons were allied to those octopods with rocket launchers! 🤗
I think many of your criticisms are fair, but some of them are overly snide.
1) The idea of an intercepting strike (including with a sidestep) is not uncommon. You see them all the time in both sport fighting and in footage from self-defense encounters. Does it rely on reading when the first punch is going to come? Yes. That's not a ridiculous thing though. There are plenty of tells and cues. Most fights start as verbal altercations, so its not unrealistic that you could read the adversary's shift from words to fists and intercept. Also, an intercepting eye jab as a response blow is not terribly disproportional. What's disproportional is going to a weapon or continuing strikes against an opponent that is no longer a threat. So, the intercepting eye jab is not ridiculous, but you're right that the timing requires significant skill. Your argument that "if someone is trying to hurt you they're not going to throw just one punch" isn't exactly fair either. I do not think Wong is implying that the eye jab is the only strike you need to throw, but rather that hitting it stops the attack and gives you the opportunity to go on the offensive or escape.
2) Every self-defense system needs a defense against a haymaker/wild hook. What Wong demonstrates is pretty standard. Cover your head and move into the blow to smother the attack and get inside the other arm. (This is sometimes called "crashing".) If you don't like the dig to the solar plexus, ok, I can agree with that to a certain extent. That's a hard blow to throw well if you're not a very high level dirty boxer (to include wing chun). But to be honest, what you do with the striking hand -- push, elbow, collar tie, palm strike, etc. -- is not really the important part of the demo and can vary according to the individual. The important thing (and the thing Wong intends to demonstrate I think) is the cover and smother principle.
3) I agree with you on number 3. The knee kick counter is too Hollywood. Its super cool in concept, but even a high level martial artist would have an extremely hard time landing that one flush. Those kinds of knee kicks should come out of the clinch or at trapping range, when you have at least some control over the opponent's position and a much firmer sense of range and when you can kick more down than side ways into the knee.
4) I think your criticism is too persnickety on this one. The adversary goes for a lead hand shirt grab and rear hand strike ("hockey fighting") -- a very common attack from untrained people that every self defense system needs an answer for. Again, he shows the cover and smother concept a little -- which is good. He shows how to peel the grip -- which is good. And he shows how to put counter-pressure on the wrist and elbow -- which is good. Can you expect it to work as cleanly in a real fight? No. But all the concepts presented are basically sound and relevant. I do think Wong is exagerrating to say that you should be expecting to break the arm...but that's just salesmanship, I think.
5) The bear hug combination is pretty standard. Like you said, its been in movies and a million other places. There may be better combos, but its not really wrong.
On your self-defense comments...
I agree that it is better to teach principles and core skills, but I think you're being a bit unfair. That said, statistically speaking, there are specific things you need to address because they're so common -- sucker punch, haymaker, and bear hug among them (see above). Also, be fair, this video is clearly intended by Wong to be an appetizer for broader instruction. Its not meant to be taken as a comprehensive system.
On Master Wong in general...
I think Master Wong has very strong, practical Wing Chun and he cross-trains with other styles often. He's not a fake. You can tell in the way he moves that he knows how to fight. In that respect, I think if you know what you're looking for, you can get a lot out of his videos. Do you have to wade through a lot of bluster and salesmanship? Clearly, yes. And that's annoying...but I'm forgiving on that. The guy is trying to make a living in a second language and I don't begrudge him his marketing strategy. If you poke around youtube more, you'll find a lot of other videos where he's not "in character" and he offers much more thoughtful commentary.
There's a lot to unpick here, but you've given me an an idea for another video, so thank you for your comments!
To long didn't read
Fight Team!!
He starts the whole video assuming anyone can slip a punch without practicing? That can be counterintuitive and scary, as well as just difficult. SIMULTANEOUSLY we’re supposed to land a…my god. The armbar he taught is so unsound. In BJJ there’s a great collar-grab-defense armbar that slams the attacker’s head on the ground…and it’s easy. Why u do this Master Wong?!?
Fight team!
This video is the longest I've ever been able to watch him. I find his frenetic, almost manic, style of delivery unpleasant.
I guess one is expected to pick up, or become polluted by, his emotional state and interpret it as enthusiasm. Enthusiasm for his course, the one he's trying to sell. He repeatedly says, "It's easy" and, "Anyone can do it" with the course logo on the screen. If he can get the audience agitated they are more susceptible to suggestion like that.
Dorene would be better off doing the Bobby Hill
Fight Team
I'm just a fan of you lol :)
I'm really Not fan of Master Wong
That Self Defense videos is Master Wong's Women's Self Defense 😅😅😅
I really want Reacted more to Freddie Lee's Modern Kung Fu RUclips video & Jake Mace's Kung Fu & Tai Chi RUclips videos & Thomas Marx - Original Jeet Kune Do IFO RUclips videos 🥋🥊
Do you understand all that he's saying? I mean recognize words, not the general content/meaning/ideas. He said something like "People want to kich me in the nuts?" or "like to"? I heard "want to" anyway both versions are kind of comical :D
🤔👍👊🧐💪🙏
This M.Wong making this only for money and has no really abilities! He likes you whatever critic you write, he understand how to make money with content ;)
Who watches these videos anyway? I doubt anyone who trains does, unless it is just for pure juvenile ridiculement of these ”techniques” - my stuff is usually about whatever BJJ technique I’m trying to improve or whoever fighter’s style I’m studying, not some ”easy self-defence” because I know there’s nothing easy about fighting of self-defence. But there’s millions of people who found something of value in this? What is it? Wish fullfilment? Childish revenge fantasies? Why on earth would anyone search for this stuff, or even click on it in their feed? Is it just the character? I don’t care about the money or any of this influencer crap, I just wonder what is the psychological motive for people to watch this?
Dangerous if somebody belives in his illusions...his cover doesn't even work on films..? Well done🙏 to put things on its right place. Thank you.
As someone lives in a state in the US where the laws and culture are very gun friendly the general advice that is given out, if they ask for property (like a wallet) compile, if they try to make you go somewhere else with them, fight.
No, these will not work.
I had the knee thing happened to me twice (once in a sparring match and the other in an actually fight [during middle school]) and the first time I was able to stop the momentum of spinning around with my other foot, and powered pushed my entire weight back upward like a spring and close-lined my opponent-- our sensei deducted a point because it was Karate class; not pro wrestling. The second, I was fighting a guy and his friend ran up on my right and kicked me in the knee hard, and at that time I had a lot more experience, I went with the motion and sweep him. He nearly fell over the stair balcony.
The thing is Mr. Wong is selling a Hollywood dream-- people that are most likely to watch him want to believe there is one secret technique, or super secret action that will allow them to beat up anyone without working hard. If you want to learn how to defend yourself, then YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO DEFEND YOURSELF. There is no easy way around it. I really think looking at "self defense as an art" is self defeating 'cause it will work as long as you don't run into an attacker that actually know whatever technique you are pulling from.
If anyone wants to learn to self defend, learn an art that fits your body type and more importantly how you respond, then from there actually practice. All you really need is 3 to 6 minutes to save yourself from most encounters. If an attacker is after money, etc. when you pose to be not an easy mark, most will leave or you will create the opportunity to flee. If there is a person that is trying to fight you after 3 - 6 minutes, then chances are that it's personal. And at that point you will have to fight-- that's the main reason why you learn; apologies, gifts, and amends doesn't turn away indignation.