True yamamoto couldnt be beaten head on enemies had to seal his flames everytime even in filler we get it happening multiple times. They know they aint standing on equal business with him.
Here’s the thing. Going on TYBW and looking back FKT Arc I think Aizen brought Wonderweiss to seal his zanpakto so that Yama wouldn’t foil his plan for domination. His bankai is one of the few that could disturb the balance of the 3 worlds. That being said, Aizens could also be capable of doing so hence him not using. That’s one of the things as of yet we don’t know and may never know but I wouldn’t put it past him and I would be a reason for him wanting to take the place of the soul king. Aizen is a master of deception but being honest back in FKT Arc had Gin struck Yama with his bankai Yama as well any of the other captains etc present wouldn’t survive. Given that Kubo gives Ichigo reasons to survive ei he’s also part Quincy and the hollow takes over maybe he would like he what happened when Ulqiourra pretty much killed him and he went vasto lord. Yama was a bad man, but looking at how he was easily dispatched by Ywatch meh
Honestly i find power scaling to be a very interesting peice of new philosophy. Like seeing how someone talks about their favorite character like such a technical way ought to be considered to be one of the highest appreciation of a fictional work next to cosplay and fan art. This form of character philosophy and discussion will only spread out to deeper thought of the whole of the work to the point that it will prompt people to think more about fiction in general. Hate it or not but powerscaling could be one of the ONLY WAYS we as a people can restore media literacy let alone deeper conversation about our favorite media
@m_khalilx yama couldnt even take on yhwach at the start of tybw let alone the almighty and whereas aizen is stronger than yhwach at the start of tybw and even matched with almighty yhwach AND he put the almighty under KS this would put aizen leagues above yama lol if u actually still think yama is stronger then thats just ur ignorance
@@gabrijelaziza9768 Kubo stated Thad loyed had 70 to 80% of yuha,s power and Yama easley beat him and he was also weaker do to the lose of his arm and old age so Yama > pre almighty yuha
weird thing is: Why did yama need to sacrifice himself just to kill aizen.... Why, even sacrificing an arm with level 90's kido ittokaso didn't do anything to aizen point blank and off guard, whereas in the very next panel, ichigo's getsuga did some damage... If yama wasn't able to catch aizen's hand after he stabbed him, under kyoka, I'm pretty sure yama would lose. and unohana is kinda dumb for thinking ichigo is only chance because he hasnt seen aizen's shikai, could aizen not just show it now?? he can show it anytime he wants to...
I assume the reason why Ichigo did so much damage to him was because Aizen tried to guard against Itto Kaso since he knew the attack was coming, but he got completely caught off guard by Ichigo's Getsuga just moments later
If Aizen was stronger than Yama, he wouldn't need to contain his zanpakou using an arrancar. If yama was weaker than Aizen, then Aizen would just push away the flames. Also destroying everything to take down Aizen was just his way to ensure 100% success because Aizen is tricky and can easily escape otherwise. And Oldman Yamamoto is also lacking in stamina as seen in the databook as well. So long term battle would be to his disadvantage even if he owns Aizen for most part of the fight, he wouldn't just one shot Aizen.
@@praz7 YES, ALTHOUGH, YAMA WAS STRONGER,DUE TO KS, HE WOULD DEF LOSE AND HE COULDN'T DOMINATE . PURELY DUE TO KS HE PLANNED TO SACRIFICE HIMSELF, AIZEN EVEN READ SUCH A PLAN IN CASE KS DIDN'T WORK. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT KS IS A PART OF HIS POWER, WHEN YAMA CAUGHT AIZEN AND SENSED HIS REIATSU, IF HE'D LET GO, AIZEN WOULDN'T SLIP UP AGAIN AND YAMA WOULD BE KS GG
They way I’ve seen it, physical stat wise Yama is high tier but not top tier, but what he has that’s top tier is offensive reiatsu output via his Zanpakuto. Aizen and Yhwach specifically note that it’s his Zanpakuto/Destructive power that’s dangerous. Without his Zanpakuto amping his AP, Aizen was able to tank a Hado 96 from Yama with little to no damage. Royd who had 70-80% of Base Yhwach’s power, was physically stronger, more durable and faster than a bloodlusted, rage amped Yama and has the AP to get through Yama’s durability but didn’t have the durability to get by Yama’s own AP. (That or he was durable enough but existence erasure hax bypassed it)
``Aizen was able to tank a Hado 96 from Yama with little to no damage`` Yama was massively waekened ``Royd who had 70-80% of Base Yhwach’s power, was physically stronger, more durable and faster than a bloodlusted`` Based on?
Let's completely forget that Yamamoto contained with his BARE HANDS the full force of the explosion caused by his own soul cutter suicide inferno, which should've been strong enough to kill almost anyone in the verse, including Aizen and Yamamoto himself.
Yamamoto would still beat Aizen if both give up their zanpaktou. Yama has superior hakuda and his reiatsu was also on par with Aizen's which is why tokinada couldn't use the best of his abilities. Aizen's only saving grace would be low stamina of Yamamoto. Aizen would need his shikai to fight against shikailess Yamamoto.
Assuming Aizen could put Yama in potent enough illusions, there wouldn't be much Yama could do. It wouldn't if Yama used shikai or bankai, because all Aizen has to fake his death with Kyouka Suigetsu, than stab him through the head.
@@Shepard-l3z lets say you're right, Aizen still managed to fool SK Almighty Yhwach. Whats yamamoto compared to that? To me, TYBW Aizen would make fooling yama with illusions seem like child's play. Aizen, yhwach and ichigo are in a league of their own far beyond the rest. Hell even SS Aizen's illusions are potent enough to the point that yama believed Aizen had died. There you have it.
@@Yatsukahagi "my source is that I made it the f*ck up" I honestly doubt about monster Aizen scaling above base Yhwach, the same Yuha that Yama destroyed twice with his bankai. And yes, Kubo confirmed that both Royd & Loyd share the same abilities, with only one of the brothers focusing on one aspect more than the other. But it's a fact that Royd copied Yhwach's power while also being amped by Jugram being there. Jugram completely outscales and shits on Monster Aizen btw.
The strongest firetype Zanpakuto is the typical statement. He also took precautions for Zenpachi who he was stronger than at the time. I think it is supposed to be debatable with all the different statements. He used wonderwies to be safe and he said Yamamoto would probably win. Yamamoto is most likely stronger and because Aizen outsmarted Yamamoto he feels like he is without equal still not because of the Hogyoku. That is how I interpret it because I felt like the loneliness was implied to always be there. If Aizen shows an op Bankai later would your opinion change btw? I think I probably would.
@marcusnoble5512 It’s not really debatable though. Yamamoto > Base Aizen. There is no debate. Aizen planned around Yamamoto and admits he wouldn’t win a head on fight. Sending Kenny to Hueco Mundo was indeed part of Aizens plan, but I chalked that up to Aizen likely didn’t want Kenny just single handedly ploughing through his Espada and turning the tide at FKT on his own. So he made sure Kenny ended up in Hueco Mundo. It wasn’t because he was worried about wether he could beat Kenny 1 on 1, it was more that it would impact his plans as a whole. If Kenny is at FKT then the captains take an easy win against the Espada and that screws with Aizens plans. As even without Kenny the captains still won, but they were all exhausted and Aizen had already dealt with Yamamoto. If Kenny is there the captains likely aren’t exhausted and Yamamoto might still be in play. There was a data/guide book that ranked the Gotei 13 based on spiritual pressure. Yamamoto was a comfortable first. Who was followed by Captain Aizen who was trailed very closely by Unohana as well as Shunsui and Ukitake. With Kenny just behind them. Now keep in mind Aizen was ahead of Unohana, Shunsui and Ukitake and yet Aizen is far Younger than all of them. And as far as we know had no Bankai. So it’s fair to say for Aizens entire life he never would have met someone who could match him in both strength and intellect. And for reference look at Shunsui in TYBW he’s just as powerful during the events of FKT, as he’s one of the few characters who’s strength doesn’t change from start of series to end of series, he just doesn’t get the chance to flex during FKT and Base Aizen had a touch more power then Shunsui. So Aizens base power alone put him beyond some of the strongest captains and had him only second to Yamamoto. Pair that with his genius level intellect which was only second to Kisuke and Yeah Aizen was in another league. Yamamoto was his only superior in sheer power, but was nowhere near his level of intellect. Kisuke was the only one smarter but wasn’t at his level in sheer power. So in regards to Yamamoto vs base Aizen in a head on fight then Yamamoto takes it. But As we saw with the actual series Aizen was more than smart enough to overcome Yamamoto despite not quite having the sheer power to match him. So pure head to head Yamamoto vs Aizen with no outside influence then Yamamoto takes it. Aizen needs a bit of prep time to get the W.
@@Cliffy1616 ``And for reference look at Shunsui in TYBW he’s just as powerful during the events of FKT, as he’s one of the few characters who’s strength doesn’t change from start of series to end of series, he just doesn’t get the chance to flex during FKT and Base Aizen had a touch more power then Shunsui. `` This is false. We know there are statements for ALL the captians training and Shinsui just gets amps from fighting like other shinigami
@@Shepard-l3zNo. they may have trained but the boosts they received were negligible at best. Shunsui is a 1000+ years old he’s mastered Bankai and is generally at his peak. He may be able to get stronger as he gets older like Yamamoto, but a couple of year time skip isn’t changing much. If a few years of training could provide 1000+ year old shinigami with noticeable benefits to their overall sheer power then why would they ever stop training? Why would 2-3 years of their 1000+ years of existence make any significant impact on their overall power? It wouldn’t. The likes of Shunsui, Ukitake, Yamamoto and Unohana would NOT get much out of a few years of training when compared to Younger Shinigami who are still far from their peak or true potential. The likes of Toshiro, Soi Fon or lieutenants and seated officers like Renji, Ikkaku, Rukia would all get more out of a couple years of training than the old Shinigami for whom a couple of years is literally nothing. No all that Shinigami like Shunsui would get out of it, is it would just resharpen their skills and put them back to their peak, it would not provide significant gains.
I agree that Yamamoto is stronger, but I think an interpretation of Aizen's loneliness is a combo of his intense reiatsu and his extreme intellect. Aizen understands even if someone has more direct power than him, he can eventually still figure out a way to come out on top with certainty. This is what he did with Yamamoto by prepping for his flames, and would be essentially what he's doing with the Hogyoku and the Zero Squad/Soul King. Aizen himself hates the concept of someone being above him or ruling him too, so he either finds a way to prep against them or simply make himself more powerful than those beings. I think in his brain, because of not just his power but all his other attributes, he feels simultaneously a loneliness of never truly being challenged and a intense dislike of anyone "ruling" over him as he fully believes that he can usurp anyone.
AIzens problem is the lack of destructive power. His complete hypnosis would work, but yammamotos aoe would negate that if he went all out. That's exactly why he had to plan for Yamamoto. That simple. Yamamoto wouldn't need bankai and aside from the fire shield, his bankai, arguably wouldn't even help against AIzen shikai.
That and his ressurection ability. Would the dead be susceptible to hypnosis, even if they saw aizens shikai release. They could yypothetically give away Aizens true position.
Yeah, he didn't even think teaming up with Gin and tousen would be enough to defeat Yamamoto. He simply gave up on direct confrontation because he knew it was a poor decision.
He knew wasnt winning this likely confirms that aizen is at least self-aware yama's bankai would be too strong for the hogyoku evolutions to handle and because he lacks blut vene like quincies his body would literally start burning to a crisp the moment yama activates it.
I don't understand how ppl thought aizen was stronger than him in the first place..not to mention the reason why aizen sealed kenpachi byakuya and unohana in hueco Mundo because he new they would be a problem for him also
@@MrBasu-iq6md yea I know...I was just stating the fact that aizen isn't stronger than Yamamoto because he's not much stronger than kenpachi or unohana
Kenpatchi had to use both hands on espada 5# while aizen put harribel in critical condition with a single swipe of his sword. Unohana and byakuya would get smacked too
@@jouskehigaskita8835 kenpachi also lowers his spiritual energy down to the level of his opponents to make fight last longer..unohana already explained that in the new episodes of bleach 🤷♂️
@@jouskehigaskita8835 without that hougioku thing aizen would get smacked by unohana or kenpachi or ichigo dad..besides Yamamoto kenpachi is the name of the strongest soul reaper..without aizen already hallucinating them they would spank aizen
Basically 13:05 Yamaji is just so much of a chad when ppl are saying x character is stronger than anyone else they mean Yamamoto blows any scale out of the water entirely. This also wouldnt be too farfetched cause some of the statements get him mid to high tier 0 squad level. And thats would track with Yamamoto being like the strongest soul reaper in history. Especially if the others werent considered soul reapers specifically at the time. Like the job not the speciies.
Yama has two disadvantages, his stamina and Aizen's intellect being second to Yamamoto. Yamamoto might be stronger than him when it comes to reiatsu and physical strength, the difference isn't big enough that he'd one shot Aizen. But Aizen is far more intelligent than him, more prepared and has more stamina. Him preparing plan for Yamamoto is proof of his intelligence. Yamamoto has raw power over Aizen and Aizen being smarter knows he cannot go direct because of that. As for being lonely, Aizen's loneliness came from being stronger than people around him and it was probably a long time ago, could be back when he was only in academy, that's when he would've given up on finding someone like him. If you're a prodigious student in an institution, your abilities being on par with elite professor and dean would hardly suffice for your loneliness. As we know by the time he met Tousen, he already had figured out the true nature of the bleach verse. So he had pretty much given up on finding equal and instead focused on becoming the ruler.
Yamamoto is stronger than base Aizen in the same sense that Kisuke Urahara is smarter than Aizen. Aizen is head and shoulders above everyone but those two, so even with complete hypnosis put on both of them, he knew trying to just steamroll them was a fool’s errand.
@@BlackT-ff6wr Aizen's 5th form (monster form) is stronger than Squad 0 bankai and aizen would have won if he wasn't stopped by dangai and mugetsu Ichigo. Yama with 2 hands isn't gonna affect much because he's still weaker than ichibei who monster aizen scales above. The whole thing is was he already that strong vs Ichigo or did he grow that strong while sealed. Yes he did grow stronger but only by like 1 level of Ascension that only matters when he's fighting someone like fused, almighty yhwach or TB HOS Ichigo. Also I don't know how prep time will help Yama. If you want to see more on this go watch a video by Clyde in aizen vs squad 0. I agreed with most of it and I think you will too.
@@thehdtv7552 bro this about my point of you don t consider too much and its about win or lose in staight fighg not about killing which is impossible for yama to kill aizen but he candefeat aizen in combat
i always wonder why every people always misunderstand aizen's loneliness? kubo really trolling with his audience huh bc to be honest after dig into bleach story i know who truly feel loneliness. and tbf if aizen not go to fake karakura and straight up go to soul society, aizen is done bc on fake karakura town yamamoto can't use bankai.
So im team Yamamoto and have been in this vs, BUT the statememt from you that "He cant be stronger than Yamamoto because he made the Hogyoku to surpass his limits as a soul reaper" (Not exactly what you said, but i had to correct you since he made the first hogyoku and merely fused Uraharas with his) more-so would have to do with the Royal Guard than Yamamoto, since each of them are above him and he at least has knowledge of them since he knows the truth about the soul king which is hidden from the public. Yamamoto also 100% is not defeating Aizen bare-handed, except in hand to hand combat. Also Yamamoto would never use bankai in the fake karakura town because itd kill him and everyone else there.
it wouldnt kill him unless you thinnk bankai yama would be fighting aizen for a long time. i think hed be able to finish him off the same amount of time it took him to kill the fake ywach
I think the reason he didn't use bankai is because the world of the living is too fragile. If the special barrier they made couldn't contain his Shikai running wild, then do you think it could contain his Bankai?
@@corruptangel6793 It would've also killed everyone there, Yamamoto included. Yamamoto admitted in the TYBW that his bankai would even kill him if he kept it on too long, let alone adding him being stuck in the vacuum of space without a source of oxygen.
AIZEN DEFEATED YAMAMOTO, A WEAKENED YHACH DEFEATED YAMAMOTO, IT'S ALL NICE AND ALL RUNNING AROUND COMPILING STATEMENTS BUT THE FACTS ARE KUBO LIKES TO BIG UP CHARACTERS WITH VERBIAGE AND THEN STILL HAVE THE CHARACTERS GET THEIR ASS BEAT, HE DID IT WITH A UNOHANA ALSO.
The problem is that Aizen would just outsmart yama.. only way Yama is winning is if he uses bankai because without it Aizen could just kyoka suigetsu him to death.. plus Aizen can't die 🤷♂️
Show me where it says that…. People need to just watch the show…. Would aizen get bodied by ywach the way Yama did I think not? Stop reading these things and taking every word literally… it also said aizen was the strongest and felt lonely but we all know that doesn’t mean that literally come on now
Just to clarify something. Unohana is physically stronger than Yamamoto. But Yamamoto is more powerful overall. Check the data book. I think what Kubo was trying to go for here is more that Unohana was the best Swordsman in the world even when compare to Yamamoto. But overall still weaker due to other reasons. Its like Mihawk from one piece idea.
Aizen scales up to the 0 squad who are above Yama in terms of power. So Aizen vs Yama isnt that far fetched where Aizen wouldn't be able to compete and even beat him . Old man yama isnt the same as his blood thirsty younger self from the days of Ywatch 1000 years ago. This Yama is to soft and will not do everything to stop Aizen.
Yamamoto beats Aizen in terms of raw power and it isn't even close. The only reason Aizen wins is because he has a broken ability, and the only way to overcome it is something only Gin knew and he did not share. Put it in game terms. Yamamoto has all items unlocked, he is max level but Aizen is an admin. They aren't playing by the same rules.
So, the giant Menos Grande that got one-shot by Mashiro could remove Yamamoto's flame prison just by blowing. If you think Aizen couldn't blow away those flames on a whim, then I don’t know what to say. "Probably." Aizen said Yamamoto would probably win if they fought directly toe-to-toe. Meaning he wasn't confident in his chances but did think he had a chance. Wonderwiese was just a precaution. Yamamoto's claim about being the strongest born in 1,000 years doesn't mean much since he's no omniscient. That's just an assumption on his part. The databook is merely repeating him for the sake of compiling lore. Databooks do that from time to time. This is why, for example, the data books didn't correct Urahara about the Quincy getting eradicated 200 years ago because of breaking the balance of souls when it was actually the quincy invading Soul Society a thousand years ago. Aizen wasn't saying he could beat Yamamoto without Ryujin Jakka. Yamamoto makes the same mistake you did, to which Aizen clarified, revealing that Yamamoto wasn't paying enough attention to what he said earlier. Wonderwiese was made to CONTAIN Yamamoto's flames. The fight was over then and there because to defeat Wonderwiese would mean releasing all those flames that Yamamoto would be forced to handle on his own. So either Yamamoto can't beat Wonderwiese without his Zanpakuto, or he does beat Wonderwiese and is defeated by his own flames. Either way, Aizen wins. Even if he survived his own weakened attack (which he did), he'd be in no condition to fight, and Aizen could just finish him off. The entire reason Yamamoto used Hado 96 is because it uses the body as fuel, not spirit energy. That's why it's forbidden. He can unleash its full power (full power short of the spirit chant) despite his wounded and weakened state. This isn't like when Aizen failed to properly cast Kurohitsugi and only brought out 30% of its power on Komamura. No, actually, Aizen's loneliness is hinted at throughout the series. The Hogyoku takes time to understand one's heart. Aizen explains that that is why it took so long to start evolving him. It wasn't until the loniless started coming to the surface that it noticed (like Ichigo) and made him lose. Aizen's ambition to replace the Soul King is because of his loneliness. That's what the Hogyoku was for and why he has that monologue when leaving the Soul Society. He was essentially telling them, "You want a god? I'll give you one." "Since the dawn of time, no one has stood atop the heavens. Not you, nor I, not even God himself. But that unbearable vacancy ends no. From this moment forward, I shall sit upon the throne of heaven." Also, loneliness doesn't necessarily mean he was stronger than even Yamamoto from childhood. It just means that he had no peers. No one could rival or understand him. The closest he ever got to finding someone was Urahara, but only by intellect, and by that point, his path was long set. Keep in mind that Aizen is only a couple hundred years old, Yamamoto had over 2,000 years to reach his level. Yamamoto couldn't be a rival because it's only a matter of time before Aizen surpassed him. Yamamoto could only be a stepping stone at best. Stark sought to overcome loneliness by ripping apart his very soul. Zaraki handicapped himself. Aizen used ambition and set his sights on the Soul King himself. So, by your own logic about the strongest seeking out the strongest, the only one Aizen considered as a rival was the Soul King. Someone far beyond Yamamoto. The only thing clear is that Yamamoto's ultimate fire type Zanpakuto was the only thing he had that Aizen acknowledged as a threat, so much so that Aizen was not confident he could win in a direct battle. Which is understandable. Not even Yamamoto could survive his own Zanpakuto being turned against him. Even a weakened version of his shikai's fire formation left him near death. And that's not even mentioning his Bankai.
Yamamoto absolutley can beat Wonderweiss without his zanpakuto 🤣 he only got hurt because he had to save everyone else. His body is more resistant to his flames. If he just let it explode he would have been fine its the point blank explosion that hurt him. Yamamoto beats pre hogyoku Aizen and its clear. Even Aizen knows it. And blow his flames out‽ come on now. He wouldn't have stayed trapped in that prison if he could. I almost cant even take you serious after that
@@2406west obviously he can beat Wonderwiese. No, Yamamoto intended to detonate all those flames before, remember? As Yamamoto explained: he, Aizen, and everyone else would be turned to ash by his fire formation. That is the credo of the Gotei 13: they are willing to give up their lives in order to eliminate evil. That's why he holds off and tells Ichigo to leave, which gives Wonderwiese the chance to intervene. The reason he has to block those flames after Wonderwiese releases them is explained by Aizen: the attack is no longer focused and thus won't be limited to Karakura Town like intended. The fire would explode indiscriminately, breaking through the barrier around Karakura Town in an "instant" and affect the world of the living. Yamamoto was forced to suppress his flames to protect the world of the living. No, Yamamoto would PROBABLY beat pre-Hogyoku Aizen if they were to fight directly toe-to-toe. The actual outcome is uncertain. Aizen simply points out that because of Ryujin Jakka, Yamamoto had the advantage. With its unparalleled destructive power, Aizen acknowledged that he would probably lose. Aizen was never trapped. That's the point. He chose to stay put because they didn't need to interfere. As he told Gin: the Espada would take care of it without them having to lift a finger. Aizen was happy to sit back and enjoy the show. It wasn't until he started getting impatient with the Espada that he called in Wonderwiese and started to make his move. As mentioned by Stark.
This was very informative for me, I've always been one of those who vouches for Aizen in this matchup but that's because I'm an anime only and the statement at 5:33 was completely left out in the anime
No, it's in the anime. I know it's in the dub, Aizen says that he'd lose to Yama straight up, because his Zanpakto is just raw power. So he made Wonderweiss to counter. Not the exact phrasing used in the manga though
@casualnerd4615 in the offical translations aizen actually says in a heads up fight Yamamoto would PROBABLY win given his Zanpakuto offensive abilites..still sounds like it'd be a close fight
Your mother should have debated plan b
Pin of shame.
I hope you don’t really believe Soul Reaper Aizen can beat Yamamoto….
Agreed
Yamamoto was so strong that aizen didnt plan for him as a enemy to defeat, but as a force of nature to outmaneuver
True yamamoto couldnt be beaten head on enemies had to seal his flames everytime even in filler we get it happening multiple times. They know they aint standing on equal business with him.
@@sebas8225Yhwach could beat him that’s why he even says his the only one that can contain his power , Yama fought a weaker Yhwach too in the Past
@@moonl8536 but you also have to admit yamamoto was weak this time my man has lost his arm and was emotionally unstable
@@tausifalam9075 yea the arm deficit really weakened him
Here’s the thing. Going on TYBW and looking back FKT Arc I think Aizen brought Wonderweiss to seal his zanpakto so that Yama wouldn’t foil his plan for domination. His bankai is one of the few that could disturb the balance of the 3 worlds. That being said, Aizens could also be capable of doing so hence him not using. That’s one of the things as of yet we don’t know and may never know but I wouldn’t put it past him and I would be a reason for him wanting to take the place of the soul king. Aizen is a master of deception but being honest back in FKT Arc had Gin struck Yama with his bankai Yama as well any of the other captains etc present wouldn’t survive. Given that Kubo gives Ichigo reasons to survive ei he’s also part Quincy and the hollow takes over maybe he would like he what happened when Ulqiourra pretty much killed him and he went vasto lord. Yama was a bad man, but looking at how he was easily dispatched by Ywatch meh
Easily?!? He had to plan 1,000 years longer than Aizen to do what he did. Ywhach was scared of a fair 1 on 1 and waited for him to exhaust himself.
@@neroblack9116No 😂 lol Yhwach was weaker then his current self plus his power was sealed so Yama beat a weaker Yhwach
The fact that Aizen had to plan for Yamamotos powers by sealing them says it all imo. Nothing to argue :/
Power scaling is going to be the death of anime in America.
Not only in America
Honestly i find power scaling to be a very interesting peice of new philosophy.
Like seeing how someone talks about their favorite character like such a technical way ought to be considered to be one of the highest appreciation of a fictional work next to cosplay and fan art.
This form of character philosophy and discussion will only spread out to deeper thought of the whole of the work to the point that it will prompt people to think more about fiction in general.
Hate it or not but powerscaling could be one of the ONLY WAYS we as a people can restore media literacy let alone deeper conversation about our favorite media
Not really, it's fun
They are far more annoying commity then the power scaling one
It’s literally not,it just a fun pass time. Dont be a goofy
Agreed its such a boring debate, its as simple as Yamamoto > pre transcendence Aizen and Post transcendence Aizen > Yamamoto.
It's kind of obvious as well but the debate itself is pretty fucking ratty lol
I'll still bet on yama cuz he knew he could take Ywhba n Ywhba is stronger than aizen
@m_khalilx yama couldnt even take on yhwach at the start of tybw let alone the almighty and whereas aizen is stronger than yhwach at the start of tybw and even matched with almighty yhwach AND he put the almighty under KS this would put aizen leagues above yama lol if u actually still think yama is stronger then thats just ur ignorance
@Yatsukahagi finally someone who understands that yhwach was always stronger then yama
@@gabrijelaziza9768 Kubo stated Thad loyed had 70 to 80% of yuha,s power and Yama easley beat him and he was also weaker do to the lose of his arm and old age so
Yama > pre almighty yuha
weird thing is:
Why did yama need to sacrifice himself just to kill aizen....
Why, even sacrificing an arm with level 90's kido ittokaso didn't do anything to aizen point blank and off guard, whereas in the very next panel, ichigo's getsuga did some damage...
If yama wasn't able to catch aizen's hand after he stabbed him, under kyoka, I'm pretty sure yama would lose.
and unohana is kinda dumb for thinking ichigo is only chance because he hasnt seen aizen's shikai, could aizen not just show it now?? he can show it anytime he wants to...
I assume the reason why Ichigo did so much damage to him was because Aizen tried to guard against Itto Kaso since he knew the attack was coming, but he got completely caught off guard by Ichigo's Getsuga just moments later
@@furiousdestroyah9999 mmm...i mean you can say that
ichigo caught him way off guard, and aizen had to use all his strength to block the ittokaso so he was unprepared
If Aizen was stronger than Yama, he wouldn't need to contain his zanpakou using an arrancar. If yama was weaker than Aizen, then Aizen would just push away the flames. Also destroying everything to take down Aizen was just his way to ensure 100% success because Aizen is tricky and can easily escape otherwise. And Oldman Yamamoto is also lacking in stamina as seen in the databook as well. So long term battle would be to his disadvantage even if he owns Aizen for most part of the fight, he wouldn't just one shot Aizen.
@@praz7 YES, ALTHOUGH, YAMA WAS STRONGER,DUE TO KS, HE WOULD DEF LOSE AND HE COULDN'T DOMINATE . PURELY DUE TO KS HE PLANNED TO SACRIFICE HIMSELF, AIZEN EVEN READ SUCH A PLAN IN CASE KS DIDN'T WORK.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT KS IS A PART OF HIS POWER, WHEN YAMA CAUGHT AIZEN AND SENSED HIS REIATSU, IF HE'D LET GO, AIZEN WOULDN'T SLIP UP AGAIN AND YAMA WOULD BE KS GG
They way I’ve seen it, physical stat wise Yama is high tier but not top tier, but what he has that’s top tier is offensive reiatsu output via his Zanpakuto. Aizen and Yhwach specifically note that it’s his Zanpakuto/Destructive power that’s dangerous. Without his Zanpakuto amping his AP, Aizen was able to tank a Hado 96 from Yama with little to no damage. Royd who had 70-80% of Base Yhwach’s power, was physically stronger, more durable and faster than a bloodlusted, rage amped Yama and has the AP to get through Yama’s durability but didn’t have the durability to get by Yama’s own AP. (That or he was durable enough but existence erasure hax bypassed it)
``Aizen was able to tank a Hado 96 from Yama with little to no damage``
Yama was massively waekened
``Royd who had 70-80% of Base Yhwach’s power, was physically stronger, more durable and faster than a bloodlusted``
Based on?
Let's completely forget that Yamamoto contained with his BARE HANDS the full force of the explosion caused by his own soul cutter suicide inferno, which should've been strong enough to kill almost anyone in the verse, including Aizen and Yamamoto himself.
yamamoto was very weakend. and no?? yama visibly outsped and easily kept up with royd lol. youre just blatantly lying
Yamamoto would still beat Aizen if both give up their zanpaktou. Yama has superior hakuda and his reiatsu was also on par with Aizen's which is why tokinada couldn't use the best of his abilities. Aizen's only saving grace would be low stamina of Yamamoto. Aizen would need his shikai to fight against shikailess Yamamoto.
Assuming Aizen could put Yama in potent enough illusions, there wouldn't be much Yama could do. It wouldn't if Yama used shikai or bankai, because all Aizen has to fake his death with Kyouka Suigetsu, than stab him through the head.
if yama is in bankai, aizen wouldnt be able to get anywhere close enough to stab him.. at least without being incinerated.
@@jr1648 He wouldn't need to. All Aizen would have to do is create a illusion where Yama thinks he's dead and he's let's his guard down.
Well he clearly couldnt. We know from CFYOW that there are limits to your illusions if opponent is relative or stronger
@@Shepard-l3z I agree.
@@Shepard-l3z lets say you're right, Aizen still managed to fool SK Almighty Yhwach. Whats yamamoto compared to that? To me, TYBW Aizen would make fooling yama with illusions seem like child's play. Aizen, yhwach and ichigo are in a league of their own far beyond the rest. Hell even SS Aizen's illusions are potent enough to the point that yama believed Aizen had died. There you have it.
I think it is Aizens incredible intelligence that was what made him lonely which isn’t that uncommon
Great comparison.
The hogyoku is a bad argument when squad 0 exists which he needed to create his very own version of to access the royal palace
Yama stomps Aizen before his first evolution. He may even force more than one evolution but after that, it's one sided.
If Yamamoto pulls out his bankai, no form of Aizen besides TYBW Aizen can stop him.
@@joaquincasascortes624 monster aizen respectively slams bankai yama
@@Yatsukahagi "my source is that I made it the f*ck up"
I honestly doubt about monster Aizen scaling above base Yhwach, the same Yuha that Yama destroyed twice with his bankai. And yes, Kubo confirmed that both Royd & Loyd share the same abilities, with only one of the brothers focusing on one aspect more than the other. But it's a fact that Royd copied Yhwach's power while also being amped by Jugram being there.
Jugram completely outscales and shits on Monster Aizen btw.
@ncasascortes624 idc about jugram we were talking about yama & royd is only 70% of yhwachs power
@@Yatsukahagi Where did you pull that statistic lmfao. Out of your ass?
Aizen fan boys go crazy 🤣🤣🤣
The strongest firetype Zanpakuto is the typical statement. He also took precautions for Zenpachi who he was stronger than at the time. I think it is supposed to be debatable with all the different statements. He used wonderwies to be safe and he said Yamamoto would probably win. Yamamoto is most likely stronger and because Aizen outsmarted Yamamoto he feels like he is without equal still not because of the Hogyoku. That is how I interpret it because I felt like the loneliness was implied to always be there. If Aizen shows an op Bankai later would your opinion change btw? I think I probably would.
Agreed
It would only change for me if he showed it in a flashback and not in his current form. As of now Yamamoto > Pre-Hogyoku Aizen
@marcusnoble5512
It’s not really debatable though.
Yamamoto > Base Aizen. There is no debate. Aizen planned around Yamamoto and admits he wouldn’t win a head on fight.
Sending Kenny to Hueco Mundo was indeed part of Aizens plan, but I chalked that up to Aizen likely didn’t want Kenny just single handedly ploughing through his Espada and turning the tide at FKT on his own.
So he made sure Kenny ended up in Hueco Mundo. It wasn’t because he was worried about wether he could beat Kenny 1 on 1, it was more that it would impact his plans as a whole.
If Kenny is at FKT then the captains take an easy win against the Espada and that screws with Aizens plans. As even without Kenny the captains still won, but they were all exhausted and Aizen had already dealt with Yamamoto. If Kenny is there the captains likely aren’t exhausted and Yamamoto might still be in play.
There was a data/guide book that ranked the Gotei 13 based on spiritual pressure. Yamamoto was a comfortable first.
Who was followed by Captain Aizen who was trailed very closely by Unohana as well as Shunsui and Ukitake. With Kenny just behind them.
Now keep in mind Aizen was ahead of Unohana, Shunsui and Ukitake and yet Aizen is far Younger than all of them.
And as far as we know had no Bankai.
So it’s fair to say for Aizens entire life he never would have met someone who could match him in both strength and intellect.
And for reference look at Shunsui in TYBW he’s just as powerful during the events of FKT, as he’s one of the few characters who’s strength doesn’t change from start of series to end of series, he just doesn’t get the chance to flex during FKT and Base Aizen had a touch more power then Shunsui.
So Aizens base power alone put him beyond some of the strongest captains and had him only second to Yamamoto. Pair that with his genius level intellect which was only second to Kisuke and Yeah Aizen was in another league.
Yamamoto was his only superior in sheer power, but was nowhere near his level of intellect.
Kisuke was the only one smarter but wasn’t at his level in sheer power.
So in regards to Yamamoto vs base Aizen in a head on fight then Yamamoto takes it.
But As we saw with the actual series Aizen was more than smart enough to overcome Yamamoto despite not quite having the sheer power to match him.
So pure head to head Yamamoto vs Aizen with no outside influence then Yamamoto takes it. Aizen needs a bit of prep time to get the W.
@@Cliffy1616 ``And for reference look at Shunsui in TYBW he’s just as powerful during the events of FKT, as he’s one of the few characters who’s strength doesn’t change from start of series to end of series, he just doesn’t get the chance to flex during FKT and Base Aizen had a touch more power then Shunsui. ``
This is false. We know there are statements for ALL the captians training and Shinsui just gets amps from fighting like other shinigami
@@Shepard-l3zNo. they may have trained but the boosts they received were negligible at best.
Shunsui is a 1000+ years old he’s mastered Bankai and is generally at his peak. He may be able to get stronger as he gets older like Yamamoto, but a couple of year time skip isn’t changing much.
If a few years of training could provide 1000+ year old shinigami with noticeable benefits to their overall sheer power then why would they ever stop training? Why would 2-3 years of their 1000+ years of existence make any significant impact on their overall power?
It wouldn’t.
The likes of Shunsui, Ukitake, Yamamoto and Unohana would NOT get much out of a few years of training when compared to Younger Shinigami who are still far from their peak or true potential.
The likes of Toshiro, Soi Fon or lieutenants and seated officers like Renji, Ikkaku, Rukia would all get more out of a couple years of training than the old Shinigami for whom a couple of years is literally nothing.
No all that Shinigami like Shunsui would get out of it, is it would just resharpen their skills and put them back to their peak, it would not provide significant gains.
I'd say that Aizen is second to Yamamoto before transforming, but from his 1st transformation onwards (even silver surfer Aizen) is beyond Yamamoto
I agree that Yamamoto is stronger, but I think an interpretation of Aizen's loneliness is a combo of his intense reiatsu and his extreme intellect. Aizen understands even if someone has more direct power than him, he can eventually still figure out a way to come out on top with certainty. This is what he did with Yamamoto by prepping for his flames, and would be essentially what he's doing with the Hogyoku and the Zero Squad/Soul King. Aizen himself hates the concept of someone being above him or ruling him too, so he either finds a way to prep against them or simply make himself more powerful than those beings.
I think in his brain, because of not just his power but all his other attributes, he feels simultaneously a loneliness of never truly being challenged and a intense dislike of anyone "ruling" over him as he fully believes that he can usurp anyone.
If Aizen was so confident to beat Yamamoto he would have had no use for Wonderweiss.
Yama beats anything of Aizen below third fusion
Imo yamamoto is stronger in a straight up brawl but aizen would still win do to preparations. Which is what happened.
peak editing ngl
aizen is strong, really strong, but old man is just stronger, that's all you and everyone else want to say
AIzens problem is the lack of destructive power. His complete hypnosis would work, but yammamotos aoe would negate that if he went all out. That's exactly why he had to plan for Yamamoto.
That simple. Yamamoto wouldn't need bankai and aside from the fire shield, his bankai, arguably wouldn't even help against AIzen shikai.
That and his ressurection ability. Would the dead be susceptible to hypnosis, even if they saw aizens shikai release.
They could yypothetically give away Aizens true position.
@@jr1648Unless Aizen used Kyoka Suigetsu to manipulate the perception Yamamoto would have of his own skeletons. That would be funny to see ngl 😂
Yeah, he didn't even think teaming up with Gin and tousen would be enough to defeat Yamamoto. He simply gave up on direct confrontation because he knew it was a poor decision.
He knew wasnt winning this likely confirms that aizen is at least self-aware yama's bankai would be too strong for the hogyoku evolutions to handle and because he lacks blut vene like quincies his body would literally start burning to a crisp the moment yama activates it.
I’ve been saying this but aizen meat riders are all saying otherwise when the facts are literally there
I don't understand how ppl thought aizen was stronger than him in the first place..not to mention the reason why aizen sealed kenpachi byakuya and unohana in hueco Mundo because he new they would be a problem for him also
We are talking about 1v1 fight between Aizen and Yama.
@@MrBasu-iq6md yea I know...I was just stating the fact that aizen isn't stronger than Yamamoto because he's not much stronger than kenpachi or unohana
Kenpatchi had to use both hands on espada 5# while aizen put harribel in critical condition with a single swipe of his sword. Unohana and byakuya would get smacked too
@@jouskehigaskita8835 kenpachi also lowers his spiritual energy down to the level of his opponents to make fight last longer..unohana already explained that in the new episodes of bleach 🤷♂️
@@jouskehigaskita8835 without that hougioku thing aizen would get smacked by unohana or kenpachi or ichigo dad..besides Yamamoto kenpachi is the name of the strongest soul reaper..without aizen already hallucinating them they would spank aizen
Next topic: What is stronger? Dangai Ichigo or True Bankai Ichigo
True Bankai
Even true shikai is as strong if not stronger than dangai ichigo
Why even ask the question, the manga literally tells us from two different sources.
True Shikai is as strong as Dangai
Base adult ichigo > both 😂
Basically 13:05
Yamaji is just so much of a chad when ppl are saying x character is stronger than anyone else they mean
Yamamoto blows any scale out of the water entirely.
This also wouldnt be too farfetched cause some of the statements get him mid to high tier 0 squad level. And thats would track with Yamamoto being like the strongest soul reaper in history. Especially if the others werent considered soul reapers specifically at the time. Like the job not the speciies.
So...anyone want to start debating Aizen vs Old man Genocide?😂
what are your opinions on the "DC is only 6D" meta
I don't scale comics
Cringe woke dimention
Yama has two disadvantages, his stamina and Aizen's intellect being second to Yamamoto. Yamamoto might be stronger than him when it comes to reiatsu and physical strength, the difference isn't big enough that he'd one shot Aizen. But Aizen is far more intelligent than him, more prepared and has more stamina. Him preparing plan for Yamamoto is proof of his intelligence. Yamamoto has raw power over Aizen and Aizen being smarter knows he cannot go direct because of that.
As for being lonely, Aizen's loneliness came from being stronger than people around him and it was probably a long time ago, could be back when he was only in academy, that's when he would've given up on finding someone like him. If you're a prodigious student in an institution, your abilities being on par with elite professor and dean would hardly suffice for your loneliness. As we know by the time he met Tousen, he already had figured out the true nature of the bleach verse. So he had pretty much given up on finding equal and instead focused on becoming the ruler.
Maybe yamamoto with soul king parts ?
Yamamoto is stronger than base Aizen in the same sense that Kisuke Urahara is smarter than Aizen. Aizen is head and shoulders above everyone but those two, so even with complete hypnosis put on both of them, he knew trying to just steamroll them was a fool’s errand.
Chair Sama stomps.
🤫
Yamamoto was just a gatekeeper for villains to gain clout.
W.
TYBW Aizen > monster aizen > Squad 0 > bankai yama > early fused form aizen > captain aizen
no base aizen
@@BlackT-ff6wr Yama is not beating prep time shikai aizen without his shikai, technically he loses because with prep time he gets wonderweis
@@BlackT-ff6wr Aizen's 5th form (monster form) is stronger than Squad 0 bankai and aizen would have won if he wasn't stopped by dangai and mugetsu Ichigo.
Yama with 2 hands isn't gonna affect much because he's still weaker than ichibei who monster aizen scales above. The whole thing is was he already that strong vs Ichigo or did he grow that strong while sealed.
Yes he did grow stronger but only by like 1 level of Ascension that only matters when he's fighting someone like fused, almighty yhwach or TB HOS Ichigo.
Also I don't know how prep time will help Yama.
If you want to see more on this go watch a video by Clyde in aizen vs squad 0. I agreed with most of it and I think you will too.
@@thehdtv7552 bro this about my point of you don t consider too much and its about win or lose in staight fighg not about killing which is impossible for yama to kill aizen but he candefeat aizen in combat
@@thehdtv7552 yes bro i said the same squad 0 individual bankai they will lose to aizen 5th form
i always wonder why every people always misunderstand aizen's loneliness?
kubo really trolling with his audience huh
bc to be honest after dig into bleach story i know who truly feel loneliness.
and tbf if aizen not go to fake karakura and straight up go to soul society, aizen is done
bc on fake karakura town yamamoto can't use bankai.
Wow your voice
Mendez vid when🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Yama wins even though it would be close
So im team Yamamoto and have been in this vs, BUT the statememt from you that "He cant be stronger than Yamamoto because he made the Hogyoku to surpass his limits as a soul reaper" (Not exactly what you said, but i had to correct you since he made the first hogyoku and merely fused Uraharas with his) more-so would have to do with the Royal Guard than Yamamoto, since each of them are above him and he at least has knowledge of them since he knows the truth about the soul king which is hidden from the public.
Yamamoto also 100% is not defeating Aizen bare-handed, except in hand to hand combat.
Also Yamamoto would never use bankai in the fake karakura town because itd kill him and everyone else there.
it wouldnt kill him unless you thinnk bankai yama would be fighting aizen for a long time. i think hed be able to finish him off the same amount of time it took him to kill the fake ywach
You mean shikai , that’s all That was needed to beat Aizen
@@kemar1997 that's all that was needed to beat Yamamoto himself as well
I think the reason he didn't use bankai is because the world of the living is too fragile. If the special barrier they made couldn't contain his Shikai running wild, then do you think it could contain his Bankai?
@@corruptangel6793 It would've also killed everyone there, Yamamoto included. Yamamoto admitted in the TYBW that his bankai would even kill him if he kept it on too long, let alone adding him being stuck in the vacuum of space without a source of oxygen.
AIZEN DEFEATED YAMAMOTO, A WEAKENED YHACH DEFEATED YAMAMOTO, IT'S ALL NICE AND ALL RUNNING AROUND COMPILING STATEMENTS BUT THE FACTS ARE KUBO LIKES TO BIG UP CHARACTERS WITH VERBIAGE AND THEN STILL HAVE THE CHARACTERS GET THEIR ASS BEAT, HE DID IT WITH A UNOHANA ALSO.
The problem is that Aizen would just outsmart yama.. only way Yama is winning is if he uses bankai because without it Aizen could just kyoka suigetsu him to death.. plus Aizen can't die 🤷♂️
To say that he could beat him bare handed is crazy…
Databook written by Kubo says it
Show me where it says that…. People need to just watch the show…. Would aizen get bodied by ywach the way Yama did I think not? Stop reading these things and taking every word literally… it also said aizen was the strongest and felt lonely but we all know that doesn’t mean that literally come on now
@@jkcarter8925I showed the databook statement written by Kubo saying it at 6:56
If you really think that statement means Yama can is stronger then everyone else without his sword shika/Bankai I think you lost the plot
Kubo himself said it.
aizen >>>>
Just to clarify something. Unohana is physically stronger than Yamamoto. But Yamamoto is more powerful overall. Check the data book.
I think what Kubo was trying to go for here is more that Unohana was the best Swordsman in the world even when compare to Yamamoto. But overall still weaker due to other reasons.
Its like Mihawk from one piece idea.
Databook said Yama is the strongest in all 4 Shinigami arts which includes Zanjutsu/Swordsmanship
Where was it mentioned ? Lol@@jocoolshow
@@KingRoot-ie9qh Do you have disc?I can send you the scan
no
Do we know Aizen bankai yet?
No, unfortunately
You forgot to mention this is only shikai sinigami aizen....
If his bankai was shown, it could've gone either way.
Aizen can get even stronger, Yamamoto reached his limit already.
Aizen scales up to the 0 squad who are above Yama in terms of power. So Aizen vs Yama isnt that far fetched where Aizen wouldn't be able to compete and even beat him . Old man yama isnt the same as his blood thirsty younger self from the days of Ywatch 1000 years ago. This Yama is to soft and will not do everything to stop Aizen.
Yamamoto beats Aizen in terms of raw power and it isn't even close. The only reason Aizen wins is because he has a broken ability, and the only way to overcome it is something only Gin knew and he did not share. Put it in game terms. Yamamoto has all items unlocked, he is max level but Aizen is an admin. They aren't playing by the same rules.
Tybw Aizen> Yama and Yama not beating the Raw Power of Aizen
So, the giant Menos Grande that got one-shot by Mashiro could remove Yamamoto's flame prison just by blowing. If you think Aizen couldn't blow away those flames on a whim, then I don’t know what to say.
"Probably."
Aizen said Yamamoto would probably win if they fought directly toe-to-toe. Meaning he wasn't confident in his chances but did think he had a chance. Wonderwiese was just a precaution.
Yamamoto's claim about being the strongest born in 1,000 years doesn't mean much since he's no omniscient. That's just an assumption on his part. The databook is merely repeating him for the sake of compiling lore. Databooks do that from time to time. This is why, for example, the data books didn't correct Urahara about the Quincy getting eradicated 200 years ago because of breaking the balance of souls when it was actually the quincy invading Soul Society a thousand years ago.
Aizen wasn't saying he could beat Yamamoto without Ryujin Jakka. Yamamoto makes the same mistake you did, to which Aizen clarified, revealing that Yamamoto wasn't paying enough attention to what he said earlier. Wonderwiese was made to CONTAIN Yamamoto's flames. The fight was over then and there because to defeat Wonderwiese would mean releasing all those flames that Yamamoto would be forced to handle on his own. So either Yamamoto can't beat Wonderwiese without his Zanpakuto, or he does beat Wonderwiese and is defeated by his own flames. Either way, Aizen wins. Even if he survived his own weakened attack (which he did), he'd be in no condition to fight, and Aizen could just finish him off.
The entire reason Yamamoto used Hado 96 is because it uses the body as fuel, not spirit energy. That's why it's forbidden. He can unleash its full power (full power short of the spirit chant) despite his wounded and weakened state. This isn't like when Aizen failed to properly cast Kurohitsugi and only brought out 30% of its power on Komamura.
No, actually, Aizen's loneliness is hinted at throughout the series.
The Hogyoku takes time to understand one's heart. Aizen explains that that is why it took so long to start evolving him. It wasn't until the loniless started coming to the surface that it noticed (like Ichigo) and made him lose.
Aizen's ambition to replace the Soul King is because of his loneliness. That's what the Hogyoku was for and why he has that monologue when leaving the Soul Society. He was essentially telling them, "You want a god? I'll give you one."
"Since the dawn of time, no one has stood atop the heavens. Not you, nor I, not even God himself. But that unbearable vacancy ends no. From this moment forward, I shall sit upon the throne of heaven."
Also, loneliness doesn't necessarily mean he was stronger than even Yamamoto from childhood. It just means that he had no peers. No one could rival or understand him. The closest he ever got to finding someone was Urahara, but only by intellect, and by that point, his path was long set. Keep in mind that Aizen is only a couple hundred years old, Yamamoto had over 2,000 years to reach his level. Yamamoto couldn't be a rival because it's only a matter of time before Aizen surpassed him. Yamamoto could only be a stepping stone at best.
Stark sought to overcome loneliness by ripping apart his very soul. Zaraki handicapped himself. Aizen used ambition and set his sights on the Soul King himself. So, by your own logic about the strongest seeking out the strongest, the only one Aizen considered as a rival was the Soul King. Someone far beyond Yamamoto.
The only thing clear is that Yamamoto's ultimate fire type Zanpakuto was the only thing he had that Aizen acknowledged as a threat, so much so that Aizen was not confident he could win in a direct battle. Which is understandable. Not even Yamamoto could survive his own Zanpakuto being turned against him. Even a weakened version of his shikai's fire formation left him near death. And that's not even mentioning his Bankai.
Yamamoto absolutley can beat Wonderweiss without his zanpakuto 🤣 he only got hurt because he had to save everyone else. His body is more resistant to his flames. If he just let it explode he would have been fine its the point blank explosion that hurt him. Yamamoto beats pre hogyoku Aizen and its clear. Even Aizen knows it. And blow his flames out‽ come on now. He wouldn't have stayed trapped in that prison if he could. I almost cant even take you serious after that
@@2406west obviously he can beat Wonderwiese.
No, Yamamoto intended to detonate all those flames before, remember? As Yamamoto explained: he, Aizen, and everyone else would be turned to ash by his fire formation. That is the credo of the Gotei 13: they are willing to give up their lives in order to eliminate evil. That's why he holds off and tells Ichigo to leave, which gives Wonderwiese the chance to intervene.
The reason he has to block those flames after Wonderwiese releases them is explained by Aizen: the attack is no longer focused and thus won't be limited to Karakura Town like intended. The fire would explode indiscriminately, breaking through the barrier around Karakura Town in an "instant" and affect the world of the living. Yamamoto was forced to suppress his flames to protect the world of the living.
No, Yamamoto would PROBABLY beat pre-Hogyoku Aizen if they were to fight directly toe-to-toe. The actual outcome is uncertain. Aizen simply points out that because of Ryujin Jakka, Yamamoto had the advantage. With its unparalleled destructive power, Aizen acknowledged that he would probably lose.
Aizen was never trapped. That's the point. He chose to stay put because they didn't need to interfere. As he told Gin: the Espada would take care of it without them having to lift a finger. Aizen was happy to sit back and enjoy the show. It wasn't until he started getting impatient with the Espada that he called in Wonderwiese and started to make his move. As mentioned by Stark.
@@corruptangel6793 sorry i don't speak headcanon. Plus that's the whole point. We're talking about if they fought 1v1. Yama wins
@@2406west literally nothing I've said was head-canon. Point it out. What did I say that was head-canon?
w, i agree with all of this
Kenpachi slams both at the same time 👀
Get him put of this convo. No he wouldn't. Love me some Kenny, but his fans are really ruining that for me.
@@charminglady2011 Kenpachi at his peak slams both lol
@@6PathsGohan😂😂😂
@@6PathsGohanNot EOS Aizen
keep that byakuya victim out of this
This was very informative for me, I've always been one of those who vouches for Aizen in this matchup but that's because I'm an anime only and the statement at 5:33 was completely left out in the anime
No, it's in the anime. I know it's in the dub, Aizen says that he'd lose to Yama straight up, because his Zanpakto is just raw power. So he made Wonderweiss to counter. Not the exact phrasing used in the manga though
@casualnerd4615 in the offical translations aizen actually says in a heads up fight Yamamoto would PROBABLY win given his Zanpakuto offensive abilites..still sounds like it'd be a close fight
Aizen is second smartest character in bleach verse after Urahara. He wouldn't risk direct confrontation