Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata - Roland FP10 and Pianoteq
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Beethoven's Sonata quasi una fantasia in C# minor - Adagio sostento, better known as the Moonlight Sonata.
The audio is the Pianoteq "NY Steinway D Warm" preset, with a little extra on the reverb.
I'm still practicing the new Rachmaninoff piece, so until that is ready this is a recording of a piece I first played when I was 15...I hope you like it.
My brand new FP10 is as we speak sitting in my study waiting to be played. I finally made the decision to get one after years of hand wringing. It's so encouraging to know that my piano is capable of such beautiful sounds.
it's not though, the sound here is all due to pianoteq
@@lucasescot98 Okay... my piano plus a simple app is capable of beautiful sounds.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 The key action is very good though! I bought mine last year and it's been a great journey! Pianoteq is actually a expensive app (at least for me here in brazil) But there are a lot of good virtual instruments since you can plug the piano on your computer.
It’s a great piano with great sounds Roland always come through with enchanting grand piano sounds 👌🏽 enjoy 😉
Is sound coming from fp-10 speakers in this video?
The powerful Roland FP-10x
Sin la X
This ❤ I’m considering the FP10 and combined with Pianoteq it is just on another level. Great piece. Well done 👏
Thinking of buying one to learn on, and I’m always drawn to beautiful classical pieces. This solidified my decision. Thanks!
it's an awesome instrument. Just remember that consistent practice and staying focused while at it is key. It's really fun and rewarding!
Excellent work, especially for an electric piano. You created the proper atmosphere and the melody is very loud and clear over the background notes
Mesmerizing! This piano is definitely on my wish list.
Thank-you!
FP30X is out now
Great job. Nice voicing on the melody.
So much control!!! I LOVE It 😍
I think a few of the people commenting are thinking they are hearing the FP10 piano, you are not, it is the Pianoteq VST as stated above. There really is not a comparison between Roland "Concert Grand" sounds and a high quality VST like Pianoteq or Vienna Symphony Library. Roland has some nice action, I have the RS88, but for pianos I use VST's and some of the Roland piano sounds only in mixes. But alone I only use the Pianoteq, it is remarkably flexible and infinitely better in sound, expression and resonance.
Thanks. Yes, I worry this is the case too. I keep the laptop in-view in my videos to try to draw more attention to the fact external equipment is being used.
@@DigitalPianoClassicalwhat external?
@@marishica Pianoteq is an external programme running on my laptop, which is what is making the piano sound you hear, rather than the FP10.
Great sound, this performance is much better than the ones in other people's videos.
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Thanks so much.
Perfecto ❤
Loved it!! Greetings from Costa Rica!!!👍
I've spent the last few weeks trying to decide what Piano would be my next. I really wanted the RP 701 from Roland but it's a little out of my price range. I was then trying to decide whether it was going to be the Fp10 or the Fp30x - still quite a difference in price between these as well - but after hearing this I have now made my decision. Thank you. Also, that was played beautifully!
Thanks. Just remember that the sound on this video is from Pianoteq rather than the FP10. I have some videos where you can hear the FP10 output too though.
Moonlight shimmering on the waters of Lake Como.
Nice playing👍😊 @Chriscoco77:))Beautiful:)😊
I’ve been a guitarist all my life, got an old used Roland keyboard some time ago, this Christmas holliday, thought - well - is it up to good playing. It is’nt! Hence my choice for the FP-10 or Maybe the FP-30 - can’t wait to get going on the Moonlight Sonata!
Well-played
ABSOLUTELY LOVELY CHEERS FROM BOSTON AND SANJUAN PUERTO RICO BEAUTIFUL. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT ❤️
Thank-you! Glad you liked it.
Fantastic 👌
Wow! I have been learning piano with my Roland Fp10 for 1 month and I am delighted. Can I ask how long have you been playing the piano? I would love to be able to play that piece.
Quite a while now. I had lessons as a child and picked it up again a few years ago. Must be 10 years now at least....
There's no reason Pianoteq could not be built into an instrument like the FP-10
It needs quite a beefy processor though I think, which isn't so cheap. This is definitely a compromise in term of sound.
You have tremendous sensitivity, with or without the Roland. I have composed about 63 pieces using my Roland LX-708 and Pianoteq K2 plugin in GarageBand. If you click the icon to the left of this comment that pictures me and my wife when we were 22 years old, and then select Moonlight Sonata which is at the end of my playlist called 63 Original Improvs for Piano, you can hear how mine sounds. You play it superbly. Isn't the digital technology awesome?
Fantastic!! How did you record it on the piano? The piano does not have a recording function.
Thanks. Pianoteq is software that runs on the laptop and connects to the FP10 so the notes I play are recorded. The sound also comes from Pianoteq, and it allows me to export the recorded notes directly to an audio file.
@@DigitalPianoClassical thank you.
Hello! Nice video! Quick question: How do you record the audio from the piano? Are you using a sound card, or you can record straight way from the pc via usb? Thanks so much in advance
Thanks. I used an audio recorder from the line out. There is no audio over USB on this keyboard.
You ara great ❤❤
Thank-you so much! Very kind.
Are you using an external microphone or the pedal noise is generated by the piano itself?
Pianoteq adds in the pedal noise. You can adjust the volume on it too.
Wonderful performance; thanks a lot! I was going to ask what touch sensitivity you were using, but then found the answer in the comments of your videos: you use the "heavy" mode on your fp-10. I have been playing on my fp-10 for about a year now and am used to setting it to sensitivity as light as 20 (through the Roland app), which, yet, makes it feel still so heavy to me. Remember that your setting, "heavy," actually means sensitivity 70 on this keyboard! This blows my mind. I guess my technique is rather poor, since I am a beginner.
Thanks. As you say, I have my keyboard set to "heavy" . I feel that this gives me more control at the pp end of the scale, but the trade-off is that I have to hit the keys quite hard to get to FFF....! It does depend on your playing style, but whatever your setting is you should be able to easily generate a full range of volumes. If you are a beginner then bear in mind that you will be able to hit the keys harder as you gain confidence, so making it loud becomes less of an issue with practice...
Great, great playing! Thank you.
I too wonder about sensitivity. My FP-10 comes preset to medium, and at that setting I can only produce a piano timbre (a "softness" resulting from a damping of high frequency overtones) no matter how hard I strike the key, so hard that I fear any harder would damage the mechanism (I am talking raising the whole arm and pounding). The ordinary "bright" timbre I could only produce at super light. Is this consistent with your experience? That is, are you accepting a certain artificial softness so as to have greater control at the piano (low velocity) end?
This video sounds a bit soft in timbre to me, but that may just be the Pianoteq setting. I've also watched your Chopin nocturne with FP-10 internal sound. There the sound is nothing like what I would get from my machine. At heavy, it would sound as if a felt screen had fallen between hammer and string. Maybe there are differences between instances of FP-10 (Heidi N's being a worse case than mine perhaps).
While I am at it, did you find a way to get your FP-10 to start heavy when turned on, or do you have to set it to heavy (from medium) every time it starts? Thanks very much.
@@markanthony3736 It could be a fault, but maybe try a factory reset first. You can save some startup settings. The instructions are in the online version of the manual.
Thank you. I did find the instructions per your tip.
great playing! I'm planing on buying the fp10 but a lot of people complains that the internal speakers are really bad. What's your opinion on them? Are you able to maybe compare it to other digiat pianos like the yamaha-p125 or roland fp-30?
I can't really compare it, as this is my first digital piano, but the speakers are perfectly adequate for hearing your own playing clearly, and for a small audience in an average sized room. The bass response is not particularly strong though of course, as the speakers themselves are not huge. I have no complaints about the speakers myself...
@@DigitalPianoClassical Wow, this information was actually really helpful. Was going back and forth between fp-10 and yamaha p125 sinche the p125 seemed to have overall better sound. However after this I've made up my mind that im getting the fp10
@@robo5209 Same here!
@@robo5209 check FP-30X and price difference. Speakers are great (onboard sound improved as well, just in case).
@@unotoli I have teh FP-30X and I gotta say. Speakers are terrible. I love teh action, the raw audio, but speakers and apps leave much to be desired.
How do you run the pianoteq? What cable are you using and how are you doing it? Help me
Hi. I have a video that explains it on my channel, but it is basically just a normal usb cable from the FP10 to the laptop (type A to B usb cable). The laptop should see if automatically if pianoteq is running.
@@DigitalPianoClassical I do not speak English, if I buy a usb cable, I downloaded the pianoteq, will it work, do I need anything else?
@@GamingRoom2077 no, that is all you need for it to work.
@@DigitalPianoClassical usb midi ?
@@GamingRoom2077 yes, that's right
Hi, sounds excellent. Do you know if there's a way to connect a damper pedal to the piano? Also, the polyphony of it is not relevant because you are using pianoteq, correct? Just trying to figure out if the FP 10 could be a fp 60x with external speakers and a damper
Hi. Yes, the FP10 comes supplied with a basic foot switch for sustain/damper. I found the 96 note polyphony not to be a problem on the FP10 internal sound, but yes, pianoteq has all the poloyphony you'll ever sensibly need (256 voices).
I'm also using Pianoteq Pro version 6.6, but I'm a little disappointed when exporting the Midi in Wav, the sound comes out artifical, plastic, I don't know why. I would like to know your audio settings of the PIANOTEQ you use, I thought the quality of the piano was so good, please could you tell me what your configuration, or Sound Driver used!?
I don't believe it matters what sound driver is used for the audio export, since it is purely a mathematical conversion. Since it is an offline conversion though it *can* sound slightly different to the "live" version which you hear via the sound driver when playing your midi recording. (I use an Asio4All sound driver FYI)
My piano settings are mostly at their default position, but I always change the settings for "condition" down a notch or two, since I found this helps introduce a little random modulation into the output, as you would find on a real piano. Make sure your output is set to "sound recording", and maybe try increasing the reverb mix or decay time (though not too much) which can soften the output...hopefully in a pleasing way. It can be a but trial and error though, and I do often make several exports with different settings and listen to them at loud volume to find which one I like best.
you should upgrade to the newest version.
@@alpay389 Indeed, 7.5 sounds quite a bit more realistic/natural.
Do we need to power the fp10 with adapter to use as a midi controller or can it work without adapter like other midi controllers ?
Hi. You need a power adapter that comes with it.
Silly question What software did you use to record from piano? I have this piano and I don’t know how to get sound using headphones and something else
This video was recorded using Pianoteq software on my laptop, but some of my others were recorded using an audio recorder plugged in to the line out through a mixer....I have a lot of audio gear I use for other things!!
Does the fp10 have issues with velocity input information through midi. It doesn't seem to be a problem in the video, but was it always problem free straight from the start, or did you run into annoying midi connection issues with the fp10 that you had to fix, to get it to sound good?
No. That is one of the things I like about the keyboard; I have always found the velocity response to be good (repeatable and "linear"). The only real change I made was to set the action to "heavy", which is a built-in setting.
@@DigitalPianoClassical Oh, that's nice to know. Thanks a lot for the info.
yes
definetly 432hz 👌
Very nice how do I use this piano teq thing?I have a Roland and ipad
Hi you're a wonderful pianist. May I ask if you convert the audio from midi to MP3? Mine is not as clear as yours it sounds full.
Thanks very much. Important to note that the audio is Pianoteq, so is not coming from the FP10. And yes, I convert from MIDI to audio using Pianoteq.
Is the key action similiar to a acoustic piano, like the bass is heavier and different dynamics produce different sounds?
Hi. Yes, the FP10 is progressively weighted, and I found the dynamic response to touch to be good. The FP10 is a "budget" keyboard, but uses the same key action as some much more expensive Roland models.
can I ask what touch sensivity are you playing with? Because im tryna figure it out, if light is better then medium, or is it just personal preference?
It is really down to personal preference. I set it to "Heavy", as I found the reduced volume made playing softer parts more easy, and I could easily put more weight into the keys when I needed it louder.
Hello, I want to ask, I also have a Roland FP 10, but I'm a bit confused about the stand, because the stand I have is very high, even though I already bought a very high chair . The stand I have is 65cm. So what do you think the good height for this digital piano stand so that my wrist is parallel to the keys? I want to buy the original stand from roland website but the description also say it was around 65cm too so i confused
The Roland original stand brings the keys of the FP10 to the same height as a "standard" piano. (~73cm) You might want to look for an adjustable stool if you have issues with posture.
Good ones can be quite expensive though...
response /velocity in daw/ sustain pedal how works????
Very nice , how you record it with this quality of sound please?
The audio comes from Pianoteq, and any exports from that software are natively in high quality.
Do you need an audio interface to record this ?
Hi. Not if you have Pianoteq on your computer, as that just exports directly to an mp3 file. If you don't have Piantoeq though you would need an audio interface to record the direct output of the FP10.
Please, what is the Pianoteq "NY Steinway D Warm" preset, with a little extra on the reverb. Will I get this if I buy a Roland fp10?
Oh I now see explanation of this below.
Is it the original sound?? You get me??
Hi there! May I know what is the pedal that you are using, does the fp10 support half pedaling with the pianoteq?
I was using the pedal supplied with it, which isn't half pedal, though the FP10 does support half pedal.
What piano base is that? Does Roland sell those?
Hi, it's the KSCFP10, and yes, it's made by roland for the FP10.
Hope your piano doesn’t have issues stuck right up against a radiator 🫣
The Roland handles it just fine, but I am planning to get a tall narrow radiator to replace it, as the new piano will definitely need to be kept away from heat.
hello sir. how can get piano sound when you record the video. thank you
Hi. In this video the sound is created by pianoteq and dubbed over the video, but you can also record directly from the FP10 via the headphone output, as long as you have a way to record the audio.
It is a pity that the speakers are clipping while recording. Nevertheless it is a sound giant.
Is that Pianoteg free version bro?
It isn't. It's actually Pianoteq Stage, which is the cheapest version. I don't think there is a free version...just a free demo, which has quite a few missing notes so can't really be used for recording.
if you don't mind me asking, how long did it take to learn this piece? I learned piano in elementary school for 1 year and then played the simplified version of Moonlight Sonata 1st Movement when in college. And then now after many years i am learning this original version. I can't read the music sheet too well, so I am using MuseScore plugin to print the 1, 2, 3 as Do Rei Mi next to the notes. Every week I am learning two measures and now after 6 months, I am almost done, but there still need to be a lot of practicing... I am playing without looking at the notes
Hi. I can't remember exactly, as I first learned this many years ago. I don't think it took too long to get the basics, but getting good control of both the speed/timing and the voicing took time. Memorising the notes helps let you concentrate on that, so that's a good start.
I can tell you, from a newbie's perspective that I learned this complete piece in 6 months by watching in youtube "The Piano Keys" tutorial. It was my first time going into music. The key to my accelerated learning was because I was using a portable "Korg microKey" which I can always carry around everywhere. So I ended up playing in the sala, at the beach, in the sofa. Very nice piano sound fonts are available in Android Bluetooth connected to the microKey. I don't know how to read musical notes. After some dropping by at music stores, I sat in an acoustic grand piano and to my surprise that 80% of what I learned from the microKey transferred to a standard piano. After about a year more of continuing playing with my portable microKey, I eventually decided to buy just last week a Roland FP-30X. So I realized that, it would be a waste to over-practice in a tiny Korg microKey and then suffer from play performance in a casual formal occasion that I can have my chance in a true grand piano with many people listening. After a week with FP-30X, I discovered some correction in fingering# use at the intro part. It was a tough choice between the Yamaha P-125 vs Roland FP-30X. During test at the music store, I connected smoothly with the P-125, I didn't dropped any notes. I had dropped notes when I first played on the FP-30X due to the heavy key action. Also, I am used to the piano sound of the Yamaha, because the FP-30X is a rare stock and just arrived recently at the store during several courses of my visits. From my experiences with Bluetooth MIDI, Android FluidSynth sound fonts + Korg microKey, I knew that the piano sound is just software but the key action is the feature that could not be given by any VST - I went for the FP-30X.
@@eigenfielddamn man thanks for this comment, I'm actually at the same spot but don't have access to see them both in person in any local music store. I was also leaning towards the Ronald, and you convinced me that it's the right direction 😁 more realistic key action seems like the major difference here
Can you share the sheet music of this version?
Hi. I'm afraid I can't share it as it's a copyrighted version: ABRSM signature edition, Op27 no 2. There are free versions available to download online though, such as the one on free-score, which looks accurate to me. It is just missing some expression that is in my version (the crescendo and decrescendo in the final 8 bars etc).
should i get fp10 or the new casio pxs1100
I can't say, as I've never compared them. But I highly recommend you watch Merriam Music's comparison of FP10/P125/PXS1000, since I believe the 1100 has the same action and sound, with only a few (useful) tech upgrades...Ultimately, it was the fact that FP10 uses the same key action as Roland's much more expensive keyboards that sold if for me...
fp10 is more realistic, the way it feels.
What Is pianotech??
It is a piece of software running on my laptop, which creates the piano sound you can hear on this video, using the MIDI input from the FP10, which is plugged into the laptop via usb.
Wow, Beethoven was a bad choice. The sound is decidedly digital, in a bad way.
Not even close to a $100k Yamaha grand.
Sure, but it's a fraction of the cost of a real piano, let alone a 100k grand, so hardly a fair comparison.
@@DigitalPianoClassical I bet if he didn't saw the video he would have though that it's real piano playing