Think cables make no difference? Effect Audio Ares S X Cadmus 8W
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
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A review of the special edition Effect Audio Ares S X Cadmus 8W copper and silver plated copper hybrid cable including comparisons with the stock cable on the Thieaudio Monarch Mk3, Prestige and Prestige LTD, and with the Effect Audio Ares S 8W and Eros S 1st Anniversary cables.
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00:00 Introduction
01:03 Cable design
03:07 Ares S x Cadmus with Thieaudio Prestige LTD
06:25 Ares S X Cadmus 8W vs Ares S & Eros S
11:08 Wrap-up
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How does this video have 1.5k views and 1.2k likes? This doesn't add up.
What do you mean? For me its currently at 289 likes
I was wondering the same thing. Have you got the "Return RUclips Dislike" extension added in your browser like me?
Good morning from Toronto listening to you on my drive into work interesting subject take care
Nice! Hope you had a lovely day. Have you tried the podcast yet? It's early days and finding time for episodes is hit and miss, but I've got some ideas brewing...
Personally I don’t find cables to make a big difference. However, that isn’t fact and it is opinion based. If someone believes that cables make a big difference more power to them. This hobby is about “you” as a person and what you enjoy. Nobody is forcing you to buy extra cables or audio equipment. If you find that streaming music and having it go through a budget amp and dac is good enough, nobody should be able to tell you otherwise. Great content as always!
It is fact, actually. I don't really care if random people understand that their cables make no difference but buy them anyway, because they perceive a difference thanks to placebo. That's on them. I do however, have an issue with these people telling other people who don't know any better that they need to waste even more money to get the best out of their system, which is nonsense.
great, I am looking forward for NiceHCK AceOrpheus vs Penon Asos battle
I'm unlikely to go tracking down specific cables for review, but if I get a chance, I'll gladly try them and share some thoughts.
@@PassionforSound thing is, you review affordable IEMs and next not so affordable cables. My point is that cables I mentioned are dear yet affordable but make significant difference vs stock cables found with earphones. If one is considering cable upgrade it is most likely to buy something better but not as expensive as Effect Audio.
It always comes down to what I am able to get my hands on. I'm not choosing to avoid any other cable brand - I just don't currently have access to them and have lots of other gear coming in so am not looking to buy them for review right now.
my Christmas cable arrived Wednesday. It is stunning and I can't choose which iem to put it on - a great problem to have. I also got the cadmus 4w and am putting it on my meze advar. thanks for the recommendation on these, i should probably pick up the ares 4w as well. Hope your holidays were good and Happy New Year
Glad you're liking the Xmas cable! It seems like it's hard to go wrong with the Effect Audio offerings.
I DEFINITELY was not kung fu fighting.
Finally, we have proof! 😂
@@PassionforSoundlies, no empirical proof that nobody was Kung Fu fighting. I demand a double blind Bruce Lee movie.
I got the argument wrong, then demanded an irrelevant test, see what I did there, I love selective science. And explaining jokes.
Great to see you've been paying attention and learning how to do it just right! But we all know that ANYONE can Kung Fu fight. It's not like it's anything special.
You want to buy some Audiophile Paint?
Yes please, link?
@@dar._ Good decision. Only $250 a can and has same audio effect as these cables.
@@geoff37s38 That's actually pretty cheap compared to actual sound absorption paint used to assist in Studios. Sold.
Do you paint your cables with it or your face?
Because I bought some audiophile paint that said you have to dip your whole head in it and now I can't hear anything, I think I might try a different brand, maybe silver paint, apparently the transients, high frequency extension and leading edges are improved with the silver paint with the glitter in it.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Sorry to hear that. I have some Magic Beans you may find easier to use. Place one Magic Bean on each loudspeaker to improve sound stage and reduce distortion. Only $1999 each. Warning: Do not shove Magic Beans in your ears.
I really wish there was a difference in cables, and maybe there is but my ears can't pick up on it. I recently had the chance to try (as a review sample) a premium copper cable and a premium silver cable from the same manufacturer. Used on my Edition XS. I have heard big difference between dac/amps where many say you can't, but I could not for the life of me hear any difference in those two cables. Your mileage may vary I guess.
Plenty of reasons to get a premium cable anyway, and the one in the video is gorgeous. I still have the silver cable I mentioned plugged into my XS because it looks and feels extremely premium.
And just to be clear, I understand that there is more to sound than conventional measurements can show. I'm open-minded, but just haven't been able to hear it myself.
Thanks for sharing such a balanced comment! It's totally fine for people to not hear a difference between any types of devices or accessories because there are lots of factors that influence this. I've definitely found some cables where the differences are minimal and others (like the Ares S X Cadmus 8W) where the difference is dramatic.
The main thing, as you say, is to just try it with an open mind and see what you hear so you can make up your own mind on each particular thing.
@@PassionforSound Hubris doesn't do anyone any good, especially in sensitive topics like these. I've also considered that the XS is much more difficult to drive than the average IEM, so perhaps it would be more noticeable on something sensitive. I've not had the occasion to see if it's possible for me hear the difference with IEMs, but someday I'll give that a try if I have the opportunity.
I'm also someone who has been more than happy with a good bluetooth unit like the Focal Bathys, Denon Perl Pro, or Devialet Gemini II paired with a BT-W5 (and my phone when on walks), so maybe I have the good fortune of not having those golden ears others have. I can't imagine feeling compelled to spend more than I already have!
Won't an oscilloscope solve this debate by comparing the original signal's waveform to the one measured at the end of the cable? If they match there is no change, regardless of what someone believes. If the cable does alter the signal, the question then becomes can the human brain even perceive such minute changes?
I get that metals have different conductivity so at first glance it seems plausible. I'm skeptical but open to the idea cables can change the sound.
I was skeptical yesterday, but my cadmus 4w arrived today and I now believe! I blind tested between the monarch mk3 cable and the cadmus 4w and I can consistently detect the difference when listening to tracks I know by heart. Yet, I am having a very hard time accepting this. Studies I've read about it, wave measurements like the ones you suggest! They all point to placebo effect. But I just heard things I hadn't heard before with the other cable, so it's not just a preference thing
Cables make a difference Imo cos I've replaced my cable and now it sounds smoother less edgy in the top end compared to the stock cable.
Unfortunately, an oscilloscope will only help on a static sine wave which isn't what music contains. Music has multiple frequencies all traveling down the wire at once. My understanding of cable influence is that it might come down to how the different frequencies travel down the wire (at different depths and speeds) and therefore the shifts in timing of the signal at the other end.
Here's a technical explanation from an actual engineer: ruclips.net/video/v3nZM2BP9Ew/видео.htmlsi=ZhrBE7hgmOcnU1c0
@@Mastermnd1
So make a video and SHOW everyone how good you are at picking which cable is which while doing a double blind test.
Popcorn ready @@crazyprayingmantis5596
Very Good Topic Passion for Sound , Thanks for the Video .
When people can't hear the difference with higher quality cable it's because you need higher quality IEMs, DAC and AMP Components , Better Ear Tips-SpinFit W1 for a good seal for testing .
High Quality cable is like a USB 4-C phone charge cable 40 gbps or 8k hdmi cable , they transfer information in Hyper Speed for delivering 100% audio information to your IEMs , where cheaper cable can only deliver 70-80% , i.e. like HD TV vs 1080 TV vs 4/8k TV difference , $20 IEM won't be able to do much with expensive cable and dac/amp dongles can't do much with better sound too , that's why a DAC may cost thousands of dollars for extreme audiophile like Thomas Audio RUclips channel .
It's like a package High Quality Cable pairing with Higher Quality IEM set and Audio Device as well, Thank You !
I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
There is no doubt cables do make a different but at what price ? A $1000 cable will most likely not be 10x better than a $100 cable... Law of diminishing returns at work here....
I do agree. That's where I think this range of $300ish cables from Effect Audio are so good. They provide excellent sound quality without pushing up above $500 or even $1000 despite performing close to those levels.
Not true , a $50 cable can make a difference , but carefully choose ,lt's the DAC and Amplifier that you use to bring out the best to your IEMs , not a dac/amp dongle can test out the difference Thank You .
Evidence showed on AliExpress from IEM cable buyers Comments .
I'll grab my popcorn for these comments.
lol people really do get riled up over cables. Although I suspect it's got more to do with what it represents and less to do with the cables themselves.
You know that white dress/blue dress from years ago? You don't believe it until your own eyes see it the other color too? This is similar. I was super confident all of this was snakeoil until today when I tried a cadmus 4w
Yep, it's just one of those topics. I've got more USB cable content coming soon too 😱
@@PassionforSound you gotta get your hands on an FTA Callisto
I've never heard of that one. I'll have to look it up...
Keep up the great work! Everyone WILL be king fu fighting after this video.
This guy gets it.
Lol. So true!
I'm a cheap skate, at these prices I'll still rather buy a $300+ complete IEM set not just a cable. However for those who can afford, this sounds like a great bargain.
What part of this is a "bargain"? It's heavier and more bulky than any reasonable cable while having fixed terminations, something that $80 cables offer. This is the opposite of a bargain in any coherent metric.
There are IEM cables out there for $1000+ that provide slight improvements over a cable like this. Plus, you get the IEM carry case with this one so I'd say that makes it a bargain for those playing in that space.
Of course, value and bargains are as subjective as IEMs and headphones.
Oh, and I think I forgot to mention in this video, but these cables have a ln excellent swappable termination system with 2.5mm, 3.5mm, and 4.4mm options.
If you pay $300 for a cable your brain is definitely going to tell you it can hear a difference.
If you pay $3k that difference is going to be even bigger.
Imagine telling your friends you paid $300 for a cable and you can't hear a difference or it doesn't sound any better 😂
in this hobby, enthusiasts collect cables like shoestrings and they tend to have a few as reference to test new iems as they are familiar with what kind of sound from their own cables instead of the oem ones
7:50 this is fine and dandy when discussing thick cables and very hard to drive headphones, since there's enough juice for sonic differences to arise. On IEMs? Ehhh.....
IEMs are highly sensitive devices, but I'm actually not sure that it has anything to do with the load on the end.
ruclips.net/video/v3nZM2BP9Ew/видео.htmlsi=ZhrBE7hgmOcnU1c0
I think the opposite-amps always matter, even *some* DACs-for headphones and earphones, but IEMs can be especially sensitive to cable swapping. HOWEVER, differences are often more subtle than eartip changes, and won't make enough of a difference in some of the earphones to "change" it to something it is not, and/or justify outrageous prices. It is something only one can try, as any "evidence" or "tests" could easily refuted with a "but!" if you have no open-mindedness that there is the possibility for there to be any changes.
For the record, all those affordable $20-30 dollar cables with colors that may change the sound? I often doubt it myself, but there could be changes. I do not feel compelled to try out each cable out there. But the ones I have tried from Effect Audio did make a difference, for better or worse-you can either believe me, or call me a charlatan/liar/chill for the company. With some sensitive IEMs, the difference is almost like a "considerable" EQ change, and it's best each person tries this out themselves. I won't criticize you for not hearing a difference if you really cannot, but I know those who hear these changes are not *necessarily* lying. The gentleman in this video always seems sincere enough, even when I disagree with his preferences at times!
I am not trying to start an argument-please do not feel offended. 👍
The impact of cables isn't limited to their shift in impedance, although that can be a factor in some cases and will definitely influence low impedance IEMs if that happens.
Having tried some cheap, Ali Express cables in the past, a poor cable can muck up the sound just as much as a better cable can improve it. 🙂
Great RUclips channel and please review PW audio cables, and my new cable made a difference in top end treble compared to stock cable. A& B test IMO
How can a test be an opinion? Lmao
The same way a taste test decides what tastes better
I'll see what I can do with some other cable brands. It all depends on what I can get my hands on
I am all open for debate, and certainly not an expert. The idea that different frequencies can travel at different speeds I am not so sure about - as all different frequencies are a combined single voltage signal going up or down.
That a signal can be smoothed out more or less (affecting certain frequencies, mostly high ones) sure - for example high frequency roll off that can be (easily) heard with passive pre-amps and (too) long interconnect cables.
A few months ago I got a relatively simple equalizer. Playing around with it in a subtle way, and of course using its bypass switch, I realized that a lot can be achieved with this. Also recently I had the option to connect my best headphones to a very good headphone amplifier with variable output impedance - oh my, changing that made a tremendous difference - I wonder why so few headphone amps have that option.
Mate I've heard it all, apparently this guy can hear the difference in the speed of sound. 😂
He must have some Superman 🦸♂️ hearing.
It's not about hearing different speeds and I can't fully explain it, but here's an actual engineer discussing it: ruclips.net/video/v3nZM2BP9Ew/видео.htmlsi=iTnGvKoUDiuWwOSk
@crazyprayingmantis5596 I will happily be a skeptic as needed, but in my experience, these "cheap" Effect Audio cables *almost always* have sonic differences. Do I hate that some cables are sold for thousands? Not a fan of that, but some people are very wealthy, and to each their own. But all the EA cables I have "sound" different, for better or worse (I do not have expensive cables-only from their Vogue series, a regular Cadmus, and a regular Ares II. All have "their sound," depending on the IEM.)
Of course no one "needs" an "upgrade" cable-stock cables generally will suffice. But differences can be had-this is not about believing in Santa Claus. I hate deception and snake oil as much as any decent being-I assure you, no golden ears needed, cables *can* make a difference, especially on many IEMs. It's best you try for yourself and figure it out.
I admit eartips are even more important, but if you know you have IEMs you love with eartips you enjoy using, investing on another cable could help you fine tune the sound of your favorite earphones.
Nothing wrong in not believing in differences-but please understand many of us are NOT imagining "sounds"-sometimes it's very obvious. Agree to disagree.
@@classicalthrasher
Make a video of you blindfolded and consistently identifying one cable over another with someone swapping a few of them around and I'll believe you.
The problem with audio people on RUclips is they like to make claims about what they can hear but they never demonstrate that they can do what they claim they can.
SHOW me.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Why would I want to deceive you? Decide/hear for yourself. No amount of "evidence" will convince you if you already made up your mind. And if you do not hear any difference, it's fine. Ridiculing others as if they believed in fairy tales is what annoys me-not the lack of "belief" in cable sonic differences.
The gentleman in this video certainly believes in his findings, and is not trying to fool you. I bought all of my cables (do not have too many, and none too expensive, mind you.) Easy to tell difference between stock and Ares II in most of my IEMs, same depth insertion, same tips. Same for Cadmus. It may sound subjectively worse with some IEMs. But the difference exists. Why? I wish Effect Audio was more transparent myself, but while you do not need any cables other than stock (granted it's not defective), I am not imagining the sudden boost in certain frequency regions.
Hate liars, so I am not trolling you. But if for you there are no differences beyond the colors, cable flexibility, etc., so be it. I won't disrespect you for it.
For me the difference is very very small about 1 to 3 percent difference from the standard cable. Not significant. However if the small difference in sound means a lot to you, and you are willing to spend money on it, Then no one should stop you to be happy ! This is also my attitude towards IEM's that are more than $500. For me anything above that is just 15 to 20 percent difference. But if I get the money I will buy the Empire Ears Raven even though its only better than the Monarch Mk3 at most 20 percent, because that small difference for me is a lot in my musical experience.
I have the EROS S 1st Anniversary Edition and it added a level of mid-range solidity to my MESTMK2s. It is such a good match I haven't tried it with my other IEMs. I usually am not a fan of plated cables because to my ears the upper midrange tends to pull ahead of the vocals which I do not like in general. I wish the Christmas cable wasn't a plated cable because I really like that case and need one
The Ero S 1st Anniversary cable is wonderful. You can buy the case separately I think. Just check the EA website.
It just sold out on hifigo. I guess that's it. If you want a similar looking one now you'd have to spend a small fortune on the venom by liquid links. In my opinion it's not worth it but to each their own :)
I'm not a believer in cables but i'd buy them for the aesthetic and durability if I had money. It's a hobby after all and cables are part of it.
That's a nice way to look at it. It's all about having fun after all
@@PassionforSound btw i do appreciate your effort to cover this "sensitive" topic, most people even refuse to talk about it.
Thanks for the support!
A third of viewers liked this video? Those are phenomenal numbers if true. If.
I have no idea if they're real or fake. There's been some shenanigans with bots on the channel lately, but not by my doing.
The problem with cables and even 1000 doller cables is that it needs to synergise well with the iem. Its like the custom art H3 pro I find is tuned specifically to the null audio ethos cable that it comes with. Getting other cables like that from EA eros sounds while more transparent and warm looses alot of the imaging and precision.
Also apperently people cant hear the differences between cables or arent as anal about precision, texture, tonal balance, tembre, dryness and dynamics. Its so annoying how EQ only affects the sustained tonal balance but transients as well as decay and dryness arent affected at all and needs time doman DSP. Even then I found that majority of the time to can only add to the wetness/sustain and decay and trying to dry it further results in not as sharp transients and even mushy hits. So annoying.
Ok back to cables, if possible demo them first with the iem/headphone/speaker/interconnect (and god why does data cables affect sound but it does. Give me back my innocence) cables with the hardware that is going to be paired or have a good refund policy.
I definitely agree that synergy is as much a part of it and that EQ alone can't turn one IEM into another due to the timing and attack characteristics of each setup.
I've never ever seen anyone prove it. I will dramatically change my position when folks show they can identify cables blindly just using their ears. I have administered a basic blind test to more than one person claiming they would readily identify their expensive cables. Guess what happened, no one did ...at a rate more than a guess. I will not say people don't hear or imagine differences, they certainly want to. I know I do ( want to hear a difference) but failed at trying to prove it.
I might have something for you soon...
349, 90% users will say f no.😅 tellurium copper connector are worth it, iacs is never wrong
I wonder at what price point the iem should be to spend this kind of money on an iem cable. Perhaps something like a $1k or above set of iems. Ie900, mest , monarch mk3 would be the floor I’m guessing from a value perspective.
I just got the cadmus 4w for the mmk3 and it was definitely worth it. Yesterday I thought cables made no difference. Now I'm a convert.
Yes, I don't see the point on spending this much on a cable for an IEM below around $1000 (unless you plan to upgrade from a lower level IEM at a later time and you're buying the cable for the long term)
back in my hifi days.... the rule i apply to is spending 1/3 the price of an amplifier... say the amp was $3000 then i will spend $1000 on a set of cables
I don't own this iem brand. However I do own a Radon 6 from FIR and picked up a silver cable from Viking Weave and they made a significant improvement in detail and tonal balance. Cables do make a difference.
Yep. The best thing people can do is to try them for themselves.
"Additional energy, sense of clarity, breath and texture, that was absolutely clear"
Can you explain what that means?
It means there was a sense of emphasis in the frequencies that carry sounds like breath from.the vocalist, textures from instruments, leading edges of notes, etc.
you should try some brise cables... one of japan's finest imo
I've not heard of those. So many options out there!
@@PassionforSound I'm thinning the options out there for you lol. I think their totl cable is the most expensive in the world (for hps/IEMs).
USD$3499 wallet burning , would you have a spare one to give away ?
@@Greg.Siucrazyforaudio2016 you know they have different price ranges right? Pick one and save up for it, like what I did...
@@djhmax09 how much did you paid for your ?
Not everything which matters are measured 😁 I ‘believe’ cable affect sounds. I have no proof and not willing to spend loads of money on - though I have Campfire cable from a bargain :)
I agree. Measurements are only helpful when we know what needs to be measured and what actually makes a difference to what we hear.
@@Rsalmond83 thank you, Im outside of the States so for my market we have some local guys DIY the cables for you with selection of connectors (Furutech, Ranko, etc.) at a reasonable price; a decent copper cable for ~$40-$50 😁
??? If you have no way to measure or provide evidence, then you have no logical reason to believe it
@@socaranectien1933 since its a belief, personal experience alone is a logical reason. Im not trying to argue it is as fact. I just do believe.
How'd this go from 1.2k likes down to 940 in less than an hour conveniently after a reddit callout post was made? and at 2k views at that?
Now it's back at 285 lol... Benefit of the doubt would be something going horribly wrong with RUclips for just this vid. Otherwise we're looking at some botting that was undone after the Reddit user picked up on it.
There has been some weird bot activity on the channel lately that I have raised with RUclips support. A couple of days ago, I received 400 subscribers on a day which is out of character for the channel. I also started getting a bunch of nonsense comments on recent videos too.
Between stock cables, sometimes its difficult to be able to hear cable differences, but still possible, however With upgrade cables, it is easy to hear the differences, even with very entry Lvl gear. It will become more and more obvious when you upgrade your components, Network etc.. for example ,i am owning 2 high end interconnects, and one of them is so much worse( way less Resolution bass quality, imaging and transients than the other, that i cant enjoy my whole System not when the lesser is in the System. It is a night and day difference, so do yourself a favor and try different Manufactures, if you are not totally satisfied with what you hear 👍
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences!
Crispness Cadmus Christmas Ares S ... Gosh I hope it's not sibilant
😂
Cables do make a difference, i tried listening to my system yesterday without any cables and i couldn't hear anything at all.
Then i connected everything with cables and.... WOW!!! 😵💫
Id really love it if the people who claim they can hear a difference would SHOW us that they can instead of TELL us.
Make a video of yourself doing a double blind test and picking out which cable is which.
Talk is cheap
You know you can show empirical data to a flat earther and they'll still refute the evidence right? Right. Why bother trying to convince a few people with an Amir trampstamp. They'll never try it for themselves, they'll just argue on the internet instead.
@@dar._
That's one of the excuses I keep hearing, got any more?
How about people are too afraid that they'll fail the blind test and reveal to everyone that they can't actually hear what they claim to hear and then lose all credibility and their income stream.
I think we all know that's the real reason nobody does double blind tests.
Talk is cheap
@@crazyprayingmantis5596you're right, talk is cheap, go buy the cables and do your own test. No? Okay.
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Im not making any claims about what I can hear, I have no burden of proof.
But if you want to buy the cable and send it to me I'll give it a listen and tell you what I think about it.
Why make the effort? Most of us who have heard differences in cables aren't compelled enough to spend time and resources to convince people that don't hear any differences or that won't even try it themselves and keep an open mind. So, talk is more convenient for sharing information/experiences.
If the cable is changing the sound. It’s a fauty cable
If the do make a difference lets see measurements,that wound settle the debate.
The trouble is that the measurements probably are to do with phase alignment of the signal and I'm not sure if we have the ability to measure that.
To be clear, one of the biggest challenges with cables like these is that the measured frequency response doesn't show any change. However, much like two headphone amps that both measure flat from 20-20,000Hz but still sound different, the cables are influencing the character of the sound somehow.
so theres no scientific proof of any change then@@PassionforSound
Currently, not that I've been able to find. Before you dismiss this though, please remember that the Earth was once considered to be flat AND the centre of the solar system. Also, once upon a time, we couldn't measure gravity either. A lack of understanding and data does not equate to something being impossible.
what can proved without evidence can therefor be rebutted without evidence..@@PassionforSound
I'm fine with respectful discussion. A refusal to consider anything without supporting measurements doesn't help anyone.
I personally never heard any difference between cables, I choose cables according to appearance and practical use.
You're a lucky man 🙂
You should try the Effect Audio Chiron :). It would turn any non-believer into one
I've not heard that one. I have no doubts about cables though. I've tried enough to know there are good ones, bad ones and general synergy in other cases. 🙂
I will refer all viewers/readers to the Van damme case studies page on their website. What is your music recorded through? Find out.
That's a bit like saying that all cars drive the same because all the petrol is produced the same way.
Try this one: ruclips.net/video/v3nZM2BP9Ew/видео.htmlsi=ZhrBE7hgmOcnU1c0
Came to provide my upvote. The stigma towards individuals who are interested in this topic or are able to hear the difference is ridiculous. The solution for others is simple. If cables aren’t your thing, don’t click the video. For those of us in the cable believers community, don’t stop talking about it! Let your freak flag fly!
Thank you for the support! The hate around this topic is strong (and totally unnecessary)
It is amazing but I came to the same conclusions. The Ares S is superior to the Epos S. The Epos S to my ears sounds a bit incoherent. As he was hinting the Music travels at different speed through different material. Also some cancellation may occur.
All speculation still on my part, but there's a consistent difference that I find with plated cables and many hybrid type cables too.
@@PassionforSound Totally agree. I find hybrids to be much worse than silver plated copper. The hybrid seems like frequencies are missing from certain voices and instruments. They simply sound weird to my ears, incoherent. Just sold my Effect Audio Eros S cheap on eBay. I could not get my DUNU Studio SA6 MK2 to sound right with the hybrid.
Yes. Synergy with certain IEMs is very important too.
No. Pull apart the iem and see that tiny sliver of copper carrying the signal from your cable to the driver. Thats the limitation tucked out of sight, that makes all this cable nonsense pretty funny.😂
If that wire is of poor quality, then sure, but that's like saying all cars perform the same because the tires are the only part touching the road.
@@PassionforSound then there's the output on the amp, which is the same story. Cable believers are funny. Copper is copper.
And rubber is rubber so all car tyres are obviously the same too, right?
@PassionforSound copper is an element so yes lol. Ur claiming 2 versions of the car are different because one claims magical power and is twice the cost. But they are the same car lol
@PassionforSound also if you convince enough people of the magical powers on these cables and viewers but them, you might just make a few bucks
Sounds really like a paid ad.
Why? Because I said that it will suit some people and not others?
@@PassionforSoundno, because of the seemingly never ending high praise for all the cables from the same company. It seemed like they could do no wrong. I watched the video for information but I'm never likely to buy a 300 £/$/€ cable when I don't own any IEM's costing over $100. Headphone are a different matter.
If a product is good, it gets a good review. I'm not going to make up lies just to create diversity of opinion on a brand. There are plenty of negative reviews on my channel to demonstrate that I review products as I see them.
The amount of bullshit snake oil selling in this video and comments is pretty staggering.
How about you measure these first to start, and then A/B test before trying to sell people $300 OCC copper wire?
It's a joke, please tell me it's a joke.
Nope. No joke, just an excellent IEM cable
It's a joke, there you go
if that makes you happy then it's a joke......
LOL!!! Are you kidding me?
Unsubscribed. I tried my best but there's so much BS a man can take.
See ya 👋
A week ago I would have unsuscribed too, but you must try it man, it does make a difference. My cadmus 4w arrived today (i bought it only for looks) and I'm having a hard time accepting I was wrong, but the sound is there
Can't you hear the different speeds of sound from the different cable materials?
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 maybe he/she hasn't clean the ears for decades..... can't tell no difference with such blockages
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 that explanation makes no sense to me whatsoever either, I'll give you that. It's impossible.
So many gullible people.
Seriously! It doesn’t matter how many times empirical data shows there is ZERO difference between standard cables and nonsense cables, people still want to BELIEVE they sound better!
I swear i thought it was snake oil until yesterday. I tried a cadmus today and I'm having a very very hard time accepting I was wrong, but the cable clearly changed the sound
Yep. Unfortunately the measurements used to demonstrate that they CAN'T make a difference are clearly only one part of the puzzle.
This video goes a long way towards explaining why and how cables sound different: ruclips.net/video/v3nZM2BP9Ew/видео.htmlsi=ZhrBE7hgmOcnU1c0
@@PassionforSound OMG! You are such a grifter! Don't you have any shame?!
@@mainetomass99
The more you pay, the more difference you'll hear, the more your brain will convince you that you didn't waste your $.
Dont let these ignorant commentators discourage you Lachlan. Some cables do truly make a difference and I have passed blind tests with cables where I was literally blind-folded and managed to pick the more expensive cable every single time. However, many cheaper cables are indeed snake oil but effect audio is not among them, even if they cost a lot they can be worth it if the rest of the sound system is revealing enough.
Hahahahahah. Just continuing the lies!!!! Empirical data has proven otherwise. Carry on if it makes you feel better though.
@mainetomass99 As an engineer of many years of experience, I concur. Down the crazy rabbit hole we go. ALL cables can be defined in physical, nonmystical terms. And those same terms measured on extremely sensitive instrumentation. Some of the inapplicable phenomina thought of by some are only effective in the rf range in 1000 meter long or longer cables. That is, to say, these inapplicable phenomena are only applicable at wavelengths that are very much shorter than the very, very lengthy cable lengths. Period. Furthermore, rigidly conducted A/B/X tests definitely reveal that there is NO certainty in perceived differences at all. The data is truly nondeterminant in truly rigid tests.
I would have bet 3x times the price of the cable that it was impossible for the cable to make any difference. Maybe, if anything (due to resistance differences) a volume change. But I have an idiot face on right now, having no clue as to why my cadmus 4w makes the sound different. Guys, just go to a store and try them. I have seen the graphs (they dont change the fr), I also did strongly disbelieved this (i mean, no fr change... Must be snakeoil right?), and here I am now changing camps to the cable makes a difference side. Fml
Yep. Data and measurements only help if you're measuring the right things. Resistance and frequency response aren't the key with cables. Try this video if you want engineering based explanations: ruclips.net/video/v3nZM2BP9Ew/видео.htmlsi=ZhrBE7hgmOcnU1c0
Show us the video of you passing the double blind test, I can't just take your word for it.
Shill
Pusher has lost credibility
Unfortunately with these cable shenanigans, you loose more subscribers than you gain...just sayin...
What a terrible thing to write. This guy is great at giving everything to the people based on his views. Don’t be a silencer. “I don’t like what you’re saying and if you know what’s good for you, you’ll change.” It’s anti helping others. Also if you knew how much effort goes into videos, you would appreciate what people do more so you can sit there and do nothing and push a button. If people want to believe cables don’t make a difference then don’t click on cable videos. Pretty simple. You watch every single video people do? I never do.
@Ray-dl5mp It doesn't matter how much effort it takes if it's not appreciated and you don't get to decide if people do. Respect isn't a requirement, you earn it. To most, horrendously overpriced, microphonic, heavy, and uncertified safety standards of audiophile cables is a bridge too far. He's also been caught saying that certain cables are "built by science" with no proof of any scientific methodology whatsoever. Why should people keep quiet or be obligated to respect that? That's not acceptable rhetoric.
@Ray-dl5mp RUclips comment sections are a open discussion. People should encouraged to talk about whatever they so choose relating to the video. Its important that people do so it doesn't create walled echo chambers like you protest to have. Having a negative take can still be transformative. You don't get to decide its value or where it belongs, and that's a good thing for all.
@@liamhenderson3958 yes but a super negative dick take I will call out. And people should respect this guy more. Again this video like all the others aren’t easy to make. But sure defend the hater. Anyone can write a bs RUclips comment. I will do the same. If the guy stuck to scientific defense for an alternate opinion I would have been fine with it. But this was a dismissive dick comment. It’s how you say things in this world that matter more than being right. A lot of people don’t realize that.
Can I suggest some deep breaths. It's a $300 cable that no-one is being forced to buy. And, for that matter, it's just music and whatever helps people enjoy the music more.
If people want to unsubscribe because they can't handle me discussing a topic that they disagree with, that's ok. There'll be just as many others who are thrilled to find a channel where I talk about anything and anything.
P.S. thanks for the support, Ray. I appreciate where you're coming from.