I really like your new storytelling approach. Most reviewers talk about the specs first and it doesn't really fit something as personal as headphones. For someone that has a large collection of headphones such as myself, I think your shoe analogy is perfect. Great job.
I'm glad you like that approach. I'm actually having more fun now because I have to properly connect with each product (for better and worse) to find its story. I hope you'll continue to enjoy where each product takes me. 🙂
wonderful review to watch, thank you! Usually i skip directly to the sound section, but this time i enjoyed it from beginning to the end.. The p2 seems to somewhat resemble what i found in my DCA Ether 2
I'm so glad you enjoyed the video! My aim is to make reviews more of an enjoyable watch than just a list of details so I'm glad that it worked for you! I haven't heard the Ether 2, but that's great that you feel it's enjoyable in the same kind of way I've described the P2 Pro. It's wonderful to have a headphone like that in the collection. 🙂
Based on my emails with Sivga, there was some consideration given to the conductive properties of sapphire vs other materials. Perhaps it was to do with the way the metal trace interacts with the sapphire (like a dielectric), but it wasn't important enough for me to dig any deeper.
And another question, if i may ask you, please. I once tried the Sundara and loved its characteristics (spaciousness, bass and medium rendering), except its clamping force, and sibilance. As openback headphones, I'm currently owning a Meze 109 Pro and a HD6XX (powered by a Fiio K9, or a Fiio K11 R2R, soon coupled with a Xduuo MH-02). I'm looking for a planar to complete my setup, and find back what I loved in the Sundara, but more comfortable (and of course less sibilant). In this price range up to 500€, I was therefore thinking of this Sivga P2 Pro, or the Fiio FT5. I listen to all genres, especially EDM, but medium is my first range of interest in sound. Any pieces of advice from you are welcome (about these headphones, or another recommandation I've not thought of). Thanks to you, Lachlan.
I haven't tried the FiiO headphones yet so I can't compare them with the Sivgas, but the Sivgas definitely give you space in the soundstage and a very comfortable fit without any sibilance so they could be a good option for you. I can't think of any other planars I'd recommend over them at the price.
HI, I'm more of a beginner with audio. Im currently using the Beyerdynamic 990 pros on an xduoo mt-602 hybrid tube (also have a fiio btr13), but I want to upgrade as I have some qualms with the plastic peices on the headset.. I dont like headphones with a lot of plastic and also prefer only open backs for general use. I was looking at the Beyer 1990 pros as I do like the sound on the 990's, but I've also had my eye on the origional P2's for some time. Now that the P2 Pro's have come along, and from what I've heard so far Im leaning towards the P2 quite a bit. How would you compare the two? Or which would you recommend?
@@PassionforSound I just got my P2 Pro, and... well.. while I knew better headsets existed, I never thought I would say that my DT 990 Pro's "lack detail"! I got into audio a bit mainly because of the 990's, as a gamer they are quite popular for the soundstage and detail retrieval.... I wish I knew earlier what I know now. I played a Sennheiser audio demo I like to use and the 990's, to compare, sound like entry lvl pc stereo speakers, while the P2 Pro was more like being in a cinema with the newest audio tech. It took me a few songs to get used to the P2's, as they're just so much more agressive and exciting than what Im used to, like its throwing the vocals and details at me. I love it! Also as a side note, the wood was so highly & smoothly polished I thought it was laminate at first, like there was no way it could be real wood haha. They lack a bit of bass per my preference, but so did the 990's and I was fully aware that would be the case, but they EQ very well and work great on hybrid tube.
Another great review! I have one request. Could you give us a zoomed in view of the frequency response graphs, where we could see the actual frequency numbers for reference. The #s are so small, that it is next to impossible to get a good detailed reference point. Thank you sir. Keep up the good work.
Glad you liked the review. I don't provide zoomed in measurements because my measurement rig is pretty basic and I wouldn't recommend using it for detailed analysis. It's really only helpful for understanding the general shape and broad areas of emphasis in a headphone's tuning.
I quite like smooth quality of the Sivga Phoenix, do you think these would be an upgrade over them? I'm having a hard time figuring that out because I haven't used any of your comparison sets...
It's been a long time since I reviewed the Phoenix and I never owned them - they were a loaner from a viewer. I think these might be an upgrade, but it's very hard to say from memory
Another nice review !!! , have you seen the new j3 from Geshelli i hope you can review it as well, i have question i have the hd800s i like it for gaming and the fit and comfortability is there any other heaphone that you can recommend has the same size or bigger earpads
I've got the J3 Pro coming on Monday. Loaded it up with the Sparkos Dual 2590 Op Amps to stack with the Erish 3 Balanced amp which has Four 2590 Op Amps in it. Really curious if there will be some 2590 Op Amps magic/synergy happening with this Geshelli stack
@@luigipuno5479 Yeah. I went back and forth with Sherri from Geshelli on email and ended up ordering them directly from Sparkos on a discount offer where they shipped them directly to Geshelli. I don't think they offer the 2590 Op Amps choice on their website yet.
I bought the p2 normale once, was so dissapointed in it, I returned within 2 days. Curious how the pro sounds, hopefully less closed in, locked up feeling what I experienced with the normal p2. What I mean hifiman’s are really open sounding
It's not as open sounding as the HiFiMans because it's a warmer/richer sounding headphone, but it's much better than the original P2 which I also didn't like
What do you think about the Sivga SV023 powered by a FiiO R7? I have the FiiO already and my Sony MDR 1R can be a little harsh up top at times powered by the THX amp.
No, they're quite different. The SV023 is a bit less warm and has more emphasis in the treble. Beyond that, I haven't heard them close enough together to describe any additional detail.
@@PassionforSound Strange! I compared them both and for me, the P2 PRO has more emphasis in the treble, while the SV023 is more relaxed and with better soundstage. The P2 PRO has a more present bass. Detail is similar. The P2 PRO is much easier to drive. The SV023 scales better with good amplification. I tried the P2 PRO with a USD 10.000 valve amplificator, and sound was only 10-15% better than with a USD 100 dongle DAC.
My comparison above was from memory and I recall the SV023 having a significant upper treble spike, but the P2 Pro might have more energy at the lower end of treble and that can be more problematic for some people. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on these two!
Thanks for this video. I find that I am intrigued by these now. I have a set of Sivga Phoenix that I have had for years and get used nearly every day. I'm thinking the P2 Pro would be a nice upgrade. Is there any possibility of changing the pads or "pad rolling" the P2 Pros, or are the pads that are on there the only option? Thanks again for this great video.
Very nice , wood does make a difference to the sound. Look at guitars made from different woods. I don't like the box it comes in. My first thought was " toilet seat "
Some reviewers are saying it takes hundreds of hours of break-in (500hrs.) (Z-reviews) and the sound changes drastically....that it competes with Arya v2....that it opens up quite a bit and the treble smooths out. Never the less, I just ordered the P2 Pro based on your review. $404 over at HiFiGo so about $100 less than Nano. I bailed on the ETA Ada due to long production times. ETA was gracious and gave full refund and apologized : (
I used two versions of the P2 Pro (as discussed in the video) and the second one showed no significant differences straight out of the box when compared with the well used first pair.
@@PassionforSound Wow, 200hrs into burn in and they have made a transformation. They are magnificent and mature sounding. Still too early to report much but wow,wow,wow. The bass might have a little fatness that lacks a slight bit definition but you really don't notice it because there's plenty of it. The mids are really the star of the show. I'm going to let them burn in for another 75hrs at the office then bring them home for good.
My only experience with Sivga is with the headphones they made for Emotiva (GR1), I was very disappointed in the sound, way too dark. It was like listening to speakers with no tweeters….. They are the only headphones I ever sold, I could not find any reason to keep them in my rotation.
It really depends on how you like your electronic music to sound, but if you're after solid bass extension and presence, the Ananda Nano is probably a good choice
@@PassionforSound I like my techno and house groovy, punchy, subby and percussive. I'll produce and mix my own music on them as well as listen. I currently have Dynaudio BM15A, Focal CMS65 with M50X and DT880 headphones - the 880s really lack subs and the highs fatigue my ears. I was looking at the XS and 490 Pro as these seem to be the best rated open backs on rtings for neutral sound and accurate extended bass response as well as doing some research into Audeze but i'm not sure if the X or MM500 are really worth it. I heard hifiman's build quality is pretty awful. I like the sense of energy and punch people talk about with the focal clears. The DT770 seem like the best rated budget options on rtings for neutral sound and bass accuracy. I just saw audiosciencereviews review on the ananda nano which isn't good. How do the nano's compare to the XS? RHe might be good for me.
I'm not really a fan of the XS, but it's been ages since I used them so best to check my review because I don't remember details. Have you considered the DT 900 Pro X from Beyerdynamic? They could be a good option. The Clears are nice too, but more coloured than I would want for mixing music.
I'm a long-time subscriber but I have to ask, how do you not own an HD 600 or at least a 6XX? They are still after all these years the reference for every headphones under $600 or so. I for one would really like to hear how every headphone you test in that price bracket compares and I'm sure I'm not alone. JMO
I can only keep so many headphones on hand and chose to trade or sell my HD6xx at some point once upon a time because I had others at the price that were better value for money (IMO). As a small channel, particularly in the past, I had to always sell existing gear to afford new gear so some things had to go. In an ideal world, I'd have a massive library of gear to compare with for each review, but I don't have the space or the cash. Sorry.
@@PassionforSound With all due respect, they're $200 and are widely regarded as the best value for money headphone money can buy. You have cables that are worth more than that.
I noticed that this animator-tester speaks voluntarily with a sort of breath in his voice which is not his true natural voice but a sort of vocal staging like an actor would do to embody a particular character. We can see this difference by simply comparing with other videos of him from 2 or 3 years ago. We can clearly hear this difference with 2 examples. Example 1: his video with the title "Chord Hugo TT2 DAC/Amp Review - Imperfect, but amazing!». Example no. 2: his video with the title "WiiM Mini vs Pro vs Pro Plus. Don't choose the wrong one!». I wonder why exaggerate the transformation of his vocal style and adopt such a seduction strategy.
It depends on the unit. I returned the first because it was too honky. I tried a SV-023 but I liked very much the bass and treble of P2 PRO, so I changed it for a second unit. And this is very balanced, without any honk (but with a little less bass presence).
I really like your new storytelling approach. Most reviewers talk about the specs first and it doesn't really fit something as personal as headphones. For someone that has a large collection of headphones such as myself, I think your shoe analogy is perfect. Great job.
I'm glad you like that approach. I'm actually having more fun now because I have to properly connect with each product (for better and worse) to find its story. I hope you'll continue to enjoy where each product takes me. 🙂
Maybe the best sound reviewer on RUclips, thanks.
Thank you! I'm glad you like my content
I love your upgraded reviews, Lachlan. You're costing me, but!
Sorry about the cash! Glad you like the new approach. 🙂🙂
Excellent review, highlighting all the Nuances.
I'm glad it was helpful!
wonderful review to watch, thank you! Usually i skip directly to the sound section, but this time i enjoyed it from beginning to the end.. The p2 seems to somewhat resemble what i found in my DCA Ether 2
I'm so glad you enjoyed the video! My aim is to make reviews more of an enjoyable watch than just a list of details so I'm glad that it worked for you!
I haven't heard the Ether 2, but that's great that you feel it's enjoyable in the same kind of way I've described the P2 Pro. It's wonderful to have a headphone like that in the collection. 🙂
Thanks for posting this video
Sapphire is not a conductive material. This is used for rigidity and lithography for conductor layout.
Based on my emails with Sivga, there was some consideration given to the conductive properties of sapphire vs other materials. Perhaps it was to do with the way the metal trace interacts with the sapphire (like a dielectric), but it wasn't important enough for me to dig any deeper.
And another question, if i may ask you, please. I once tried the Sundara and loved its characteristics (spaciousness, bass and medium rendering), except its clamping force, and sibilance. As openback headphones, I'm currently owning a Meze 109 Pro and a HD6XX (powered by a Fiio K9, or a Fiio K11 R2R, soon coupled with a Xduuo MH-02). I'm looking for a planar to complete my setup, and find back what I loved in the Sundara, but more comfortable (and of course less sibilant). In this price range up to 500€, I was therefore thinking of this Sivga P2 Pro, or the Fiio FT5. I listen to all genres, especially EDM, but medium is my first range of interest in sound. Any pieces of advice from you are welcome (about these headphones, or another recommandation I've not thought of). Thanks to you, Lachlan.
I haven't tried the FiiO headphones yet so I can't compare them with the Sivgas, but the Sivgas definitely give you space in the soundstage and a very comfortable fit without any sibilance so they could be a good option for you. I can't think of any other planars I'd recommend over them at the price.
You really need to get your hands on some Sash Tres SE. They're pretty unknown but many compare them to some of the LCD series and the Verum 2.
They sound interesting! I'd love to try them
HI, I'm more of a beginner with audio. Im currently using the Beyerdynamic 990 pros on an xduoo mt-602 hybrid tube (also have a fiio btr13), but I want to upgrade as I have some qualms with the plastic peices on the headset.. I dont like headphones with a lot of plastic and also prefer only open backs for general use. I was looking at the Beyer 1990 pros as I do like the sound on the 990's, but I've also had my eye on the origional P2's for some time. Now that the P2 Pro's have come along, and from what I've heard so far Im leaning towards the P2 quite a bit. How would you compare the two? Or which would you recommend?
I didn't much like the P2, but the P2 Pro is really nice and definitely has better comfort and build quality than the Beyerdynamic 1990s.
@@PassionforSound Thanks!
@@PassionforSound I just got my P2 Pro, and... well.. while I knew better headsets existed, I never thought I would say that my DT 990 Pro's "lack detail"! I got into audio a bit mainly because of the 990's, as a gamer they are quite popular for the soundstage and detail retrieval.... I wish I knew earlier what I know now. I played a Sennheiser audio demo I like to use and the 990's, to compare, sound like entry lvl pc stereo speakers, while the P2 Pro was more like being in a cinema with the newest audio tech. It took me a few songs to get used to the P2's, as they're just so much more agressive and exciting than what Im used to, like its throwing the vocals and details at me. I love it!
Also as a side note, the wood was so highly & smoothly polished I thought it was laminate at first, like there was no way it could be real wood haha. They lack a bit of bass per my preference, but so did the 990's and I was fully aware that would be the case, but they EQ very well and work great on hybrid tube.
@amaimonakihiko I'm so glad you're enjoying them so much!
Another great review! I have one request. Could you give us a zoomed in view of the frequency response graphs, where we could see the actual frequency numbers for reference. The #s are so small, that it is next to impossible to get a good detailed reference point. Thank you sir. Keep up the good work.
Glad you liked the review.
I don't provide zoomed in measurements because my measurement rig is pretty basic and I wouldn't recommend using it for detailed analysis. It's really only helpful for understanding the general shape and broad areas of emphasis in a headphone's tuning.
@@PassionforSound I get it. Thanks
Great review! I am not into headphones as I am mostly an iem person, but I still love watching audio product reviews like this
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching 🙂
They cost $900 for Canadians. Unreal. I like these too. Nice vid.
Now we all want a video on all of your fav shoes 😂
That could be arranged... 😉
I had trouble listening to the rest of the review after I saw the high heels lol. I love the touch of humor!
Glad you liked it! 😁
I quite like smooth quality of the Sivga Phoenix, do you think these would be an upgrade over them? I'm having a hard time figuring that out because I haven't used any of your comparison sets...
It's been a long time since I reviewed the Phoenix and I never owned them - they were a loaner from a viewer. I think these might be an upgrade, but it's very hard to say from memory
Lithography and some of the other things you listed are part of semiconductor manufacturing
Another nice review !!! , have you seen the new j3 from Geshelli i hope you can review it as well, i have question i have the hd800s i like it for gaming and the fit and comfortability is there any other heaphone that you can recommend has the same size or bigger earpads
I've got the J3 Pro coming on Monday. Loaded it up with the Sparkos Dual 2590 Op Amps to stack with the Erish 3 Balanced amp which has Four 2590 Op Amps in it. Really curious if there will be some 2590 Op Amps magic/synergy happening with this Geshelli stack
@@JTB-- how did you order the one with the 2590? Did you have to emai?
@@luigipuno5479 Yeah. I went back and forth with Sherri from Geshelli on email and ended up ordering them directly from Sparkos on a discount offer where they shipped them directly to Geshelli. I don't think they offer the 2590 Op Amps choice on their website yet.
@@luigipuno5479 Yeah. email Geshelli. Make sure you get the proper type of 2590 Op Amps. It's like a Dual Adapter type setup
@@luigipuno5479 Yes. email Geshelli if you want the 2590 Op Amps in the J3 Pro
How do you compare these with the Hifiman ANANDA Nano?
They're very different. The Sivgas are smooth and a touch laidback while the Anandas are energetic and detail focussed.
I bought the p2 normale once, was so dissapointed in it, I returned within 2 days. Curious how the pro sounds, hopefully less closed in, locked up feeling what I experienced with the normal p2. What I mean hifiman’s are really open sounding
It's not as open sounding as the HiFiMans because it's a warmer/richer sounding headphone, but it's much better than the original P2 which I also didn't like
What do you think about the Sivga SV023 powered by a FiiO R7? I have the FiiO already and my Sony MDR 1R can be a little harsh up top at times powered by the THX amp.
The SV023 has a little bit of a treble peak of its own so it's hard to say if it will pair better as I haven't specifically tried that combination
@@PassionforSound I ordered them so we will see
@danab7472 I hope you love them!
Thanks for the review! Would you say the sound signature of the SV023 is similar to the P2 Pro?
No, they're quite different. The SV023 is a bit less warm and has more emphasis in the treble. Beyond that, I haven't heard them close enough together to describe any additional detail.
@@PassionforSound thank you!
@@PassionforSound Strange! I compared them both and for me, the P2 PRO has more emphasis in the treble, while the SV023 is more relaxed and with better soundstage. The P2 PRO has a more present bass. Detail is similar. The P2 PRO is much easier to drive. The SV023 scales better with good amplification. I tried the P2 PRO with a USD 10.000 valve amplificator, and sound was only 10-15% better than with a USD 100 dongle DAC.
My comparison above was from memory and I recall the SV023 having a significant upper treble spike, but the P2 Pro might have more energy at the lower end of treble and that can be more problematic for some people.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on these two!
Hi Lachlan, do you think it is a good complement to the SV023?
It probably is now you mention it. They're very different sounding headphones, but with the lovely Sivga build and comfort.
@@PassionforSound Great, saludos desde México
Thanks for this video. I find that I am intrigued by these now. I have a set of Sivga Phoenix that I have had for years and get used nearly every day. I'm thinking the P2 Pro would be a nice upgrade. Is there any possibility of changing the pads or "pad rolling" the P2 Pros, or are the pads that are on there the only option? Thanks again for this great video.
As far as I know, the pads on there could be rolled - you'd just need to find a suitably sized alternative.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
lol I thought I clicked the wrong link and went to a show review channel for a minute. 😂
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I thought this was a shoe review and I was on the wrong channel for a minute
At least when Lachlan said "timber", he MEANT "timber" and not "timbre". ;)
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Very nice , wood does make a difference to the sound. Look at guitars made from different woods.
I don't like the box it comes in.
My first thought was " toilet seat "
LOL. I think any time they try to make a headphone shaped case that's as flat as possible, it's going to have a bit of that look to it. 🙂
And sivga luan. That's also great headphones 🎧 . Well review 👏
I agree. They only missed being mentioned for the sake of time 🙂
Some reviewers are saying it takes hundreds of hours of break-in (500hrs.) (Z-reviews) and the sound changes drastically....that it competes with Arya v2....that it opens up quite a bit and the treble smooths out. Never the less, I just ordered the P2 Pro based on your review. $404 over at HiFiGo so about $100 less than Nano. I bailed on the ETA Ada due to long production times. ETA was gracious and gave full refund and apologized : (
I used two versions of the P2 Pro (as discussed in the video) and the second one showed no significant differences straight out of the box when compared with the well used first pair.
@@PassionforSound Wow, 200hrs into burn in and they have made a transformation. They are magnificent and mature sounding. Still too early to report much but wow,wow,wow. The bass might have a little fatness that lacks a slight bit definition but you really don't notice it because there's plenty of it. The mids are really the star of the show. I'm going to let them burn in for another 75hrs at the office then bring them home for good.
@shawnpwatsons1 so glad you're liking them! I think mature-sounding is a great description.
My only experience with Sivga is with the headphones they made for Emotiva (GR1), I was very disappointed in the sound, way too dark. It was like listening to speakers with no tweeters….. They are the only headphones I ever sold, I could not find any reason to keep them in my rotation.
Which model was that?
@@PassionforSound the Emotiva Airmotive GR1…. By the way, you are one of the best reviewers on youtube, thank you.
Sorry. I meant which Sivga headphone?
I had the Sendy Aiva or something. Had a peacock theme from memory and were a little tilted up for me. Beautiful but I think they broke.
I never tried the Aiva, but the Sendy Peacocks are wonderful!
What are your best over ear recommendations for electronic music?
It really depends on how you like your electronic music to sound, but if you're after solid bass extension and presence, the Ananda Nano is probably a good choice
@@PassionforSound I like my techno and house groovy, punchy, subby and percussive. I'll produce and mix my own music on them as well as listen. I currently have Dynaudio BM15A, Focal CMS65 with M50X and DT880 headphones - the 880s really lack subs and the highs fatigue my ears. I was looking at the XS and 490 Pro as these seem to be the best rated open backs on rtings for neutral sound and accurate extended bass response as well as doing some research into Audeze but i'm not sure if the X or MM500 are really worth it. I heard hifiman's build quality is pretty awful. I like the sense of energy and punch people talk about with the focal clears. The DT770 seem like the best rated budget options on rtings for neutral sound and bass accuracy. I just saw audiosciencereviews review on the ananda nano which isn't good. How do the nano's compare to the XS? RHe might be good for me.
I'm not really a fan of the XS, but it's been ages since I used them so best to check my review because I don't remember details.
Have you considered the DT 900 Pro X from Beyerdynamic? They could be a good option. The Clears are nice too, but more coloured than I would want for mixing music.
Phillips X2HR, and it costs only USD 150.
I really liked the X2, but the X2HR was a bit disappointing to my ears.
how do the p2 pro and verum 2 respond to EQ? specifically in terms of bass.
I haven't played with EQ on either of them - sorry
the original p2 a miss?? it had very good reviews.
I wasn't a fan - found it too rich and warm (and I normally like a warmer sound)
Excuse me but my mother language is French. What does "honky" mean in audio terms, please ?
Honky refers to a sound that has a bit too much of certain mid range frequencies. I guess it probably relates to the tone of a honking goose.
Backed Verum 2 months ago :(:(:(:(
I think you probably have the better headphone on a technical level. Subjectively, that's a little harder.
Some people do like to wear moccasins…some judgement 😋
Waiting ur new susvara review
Me too!
I'm a long-time subscriber but I have to ask, how do you not own an HD 600 or at least a 6XX? They are still after all these years the reference for every headphones under $600 or so. I for one would really like to hear how every headphone you test in that price bracket compares and I'm sure I'm not alone. JMO
I can only keep so many headphones on hand and chose to trade or sell my HD6xx at some point once upon a time because I had others at the price that were better value for money (IMO). As a small channel, particularly in the past, I had to always sell existing gear to afford new gear so some things had to go. In an ideal world, I'd have a massive library of gear to compare with for each review, but I don't have the space or the cash. Sorry.
@@PassionforSound With all due respect, they're $200 and are widely regarded as the best value for money headphone money can buy. You have cables that are worth more than that.
Pair slippers on my head!!! 😅
I thought about including footage of that, but decided to draw a line...
I noticed that this animator-tester speaks voluntarily with a sort of breath in his voice which is not his true natural voice but a sort of vocal staging like an actor would do to embody a particular character. We can see this difference by simply comparing with other videos of him from 2 or 3 years ago. We can clearly hear this difference with 2 examples. Example 1: his video with the title "Chord Hugo TT2 DAC/Amp Review - Imperfect, but amazing!». Example no. 2: his video with the title "WiiM Mini vs Pro vs Pro Plus. Don't choose the wrong one!». I wonder why exaggerate the transformation of his vocal style and adopt such a seduction strategy.
He is setting us up for his only fans, stay tuned!
😂 yep, playing the long game...
Another great Chinese inexpensive product hard to resist buying
They're pretty cool for the money
Thanks for commenting on the “honk” because, yeah, I’m one of those overly-sensitive people.
Glad I could help then! 🙂🙂
It depends on the unit. I returned the first because it was too honky. I tried a SV-023 but I liked very much the bass and treble of P2 PRO, so I changed it for a second unit. And this is very balanced, without any honk (but with a little less bass presence).
just a bit of ringing...simply crap