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Definitely agree that Feral needs some love in the retooling department. It's fine when I'm out in the world but for raiders and dungeon-goers, I've got to think it's awful.
I guess I'll be going ret again. Sounds like they are in a decent place play wise. Due to an injury I recently had I lost the use of my left hand and ret seems like the easiest for playing with just an mmo mouse.
Issue you will have is not the rotation per say but the extra stuff like BoP and Lay on Hands that you may not need but if you do you need it fast. Honestly I would say DH would be your best bet as you can spec so you can play them with just a regular mouse, not even an MMO one, and still put out good damage. You may not top the charts but you will certainly pull your weight assuming we aren't talking Mythic raiding here.
Alas, poor survival. It might end up doing decent damage, I haven't seen hard numbers, but it seems like Blizzard has no idea what they want to do with it and have all but abandoned it.
as a SV main sometimes im forced to change to BM because i simply dont get invite as SV at all for M+. It sucks blizz abandoned the class even before the release of the xpac
SV actually does good, consistent single target damage and competitive AoE. Problem is that's all it does, where other melee specs bring at least one other thing to the table SV brings nothing but its damage and that damage is not so high that its worth losing the utility that another class would bring. Raids already limit the number of melee due to how most fights are designed so in a world of limited spots SV just doesn't bring enough to the table to warrant the loss of ANY other class or even hunter spec.
Yeah, it was my main alt in Legion, and mained it in BFA. It's super fun for solo play - with decent sustain and crazy mobility! Also, Mistweaver and Brewmaster is super fun too, so unless you plan on pushing the hardest content you could probably get away with playing monk.
I love the positivity. I just had to laugh a bit at my favorite spec (sv hunter). The best part of sv is you can swap to mm or bm. That, my friend, is gold.
Correction to your survival hunter review: I think you meant to say Blizz has 1 option and that's converting it back to a ranged spell damage spec with stings and explosive shot
Any Enhancement Shaman mains out there?! The changes back to a simpler time like WotLK and Cata is fantastic and makes it super fun! Plus the legendaries play off of Soulbinds and Talents so well! I cannot wait for the Pre-Patch and test out everything! Hoorah!
I prefer keeping windfury totem for myself. Raids should get their own totems. I want to compete in dps as a shaman, not increase their dps. They're so low on the Tier, i don't know if i want to go through that crap again. Always carrying the torch for everyone. idk... Heart breaking
@@sergeya4989 That is true man. But like alot of classes, they scale through the expansion. I have been doing well compared to other high geared DPS in Mythic+. At the beginning will be tough, but stay true to the class and get the best items and stats you can!
@@dirtyswampman I have so much nostalgia of being a UH DK in WoD, having to think about generating Death Runes so I could spam 5-6 blood boils in a row during AoE phases. The most fun thing that they removed from DK was getting rid of Blood Tap. Shit was fuckin amazing in PvE and PvP once you knew how to use it.
No offense at all my man, but the entire feral assessment is wrong. In M+ we have great AoE options and even have our best AOE ability uncapped. We dont need the ramp up time of a warlock etc, its 3 globals and we are rocking and rolling. We have received lots of changes for SLs and are looking really good for SLs all around. Our only downfall is a lack of unique melee utility versus what other melee bring. We have great burst with berserk rework and our covenant choices really spice things up as well. I feel like this was based off of hearsay and not actually testing the spec.
Did you go into that dungeon without Primal Wrath!??!?! WHY.....................it hurts my soul. OOF. Im assuming you went Scent of Blood. Yikes man. Go give Predator/Primal Wrath a try and win.
The ISSUE with feral is that their rotation/entire class has not changed at all since wrath. If anything 'savage roar' not being a default, and mangle not being a debuff to keep up...feral is the same...if not easier than in wotlk. I wish they would have been made more complex or higher in difficultly...a class design where only if you play perfectly you do top 5 dps. I'd love more complex dps rotations where better players do better dps. Top players should be that way because of skill. Not because they spent an ungodly amount of time on these shitty "artifact power/azerite power/shadowland pointless grind.' I am so done. So so so done with with these stupid ass grinds impacting dps so much. I hate it. If I take a 3 week break. I shouldn't lose out and do less damage than people who so the stupid grinds. I hate it. Someone who plays perfectly should do more damage than people who play 75% perfect, yet have a few more weeks of cancer like grind on the other
@@claudeyaz Feral is getting more difficult in Shadowlands, albeit not much. Feral really doesnt have any issues atm other than melee utility. The issue you speak of is subjective and the statement that feral's rotation hasnt changed is a good indicator that you havent played much feral at all in the past few patches/expansions. Feral is a different beast now. Wrath was not peak feral difficulty, MoP was. It sounds like you are just frustrated with the game as a whole. Also the "grind" has nothing to do with class/spec complexity, encounter design does.
The best class is the one you love and play well. A master at a “C tier” class will crush a fotm player, and if you don’t top the chart you sure won’t babysit the bottom place. Don’t pick your main based on beta dps charts or you’ll be unhappy week two after the raid/mythic plus open. Thanks for letting me share
I know this might sound good on an inspirational Cat Poster or something, but really isn't true. You can't will a spec to be better than it is, all you can do (as a "master") is play it to near its top potential. If a competing spec's floor is higher than your spec's ceiling, no amount of "I love my spec!" will get you over the hump.
Outlaw on prepatch feels AMAZING. I wish it had more spells like the windwalker for utility and animation. But the damage rotation is SICK, efficient, no hole, and quick !
9:45 I gotta say, Kelani might be understating how much better BM is compared to survival. BM is way better at every single thing compared to survival hunter. 100% DPS on the move, sustained cleave, single target, and AoE.
survival is the melee with the highest uptime, providing better utility than the ranged hunter specs (15 sec interrupts, instant freezing trap, actual working misdirection. mm does have a working misdirection as well but loses the pet stun from not using a pet) and a handful of builds to suit different damage profiles (multi-target cleave, burst aoe, full st, big aoe on chainpulls and there are even more) the only problem with it is the same problem with enh shamans and ferals have - they share a class with ranged dps and don't bring anything unique to account for that.
BM is a ranged class that can do ALL of its attacks while moving and if it has to stop to do a mechanic its pet is still putting out good damage. Thats the ultimate utility.
@@Maverick512000 survival was beating bm in keys until about two weeks after the vendor went live and it got broken when people could buy as many crit corruptions as they would like. I know, I main hunter for multiple expansions. bm still has worse utility than sv; misdirection is as it's almost exclusively pet damage, freeze trap takes time to land when being casted from ranged which means by that time you might miss the cast or risk yourself in melee esp if you have never played a melee spec. leech on sv is better than bm's spirit mend minus the exta hussle to bind it or leave it be casted on random targets. sv aslso provides a 15 sec interrupt which is something sought after in m+. now mm loses the pet stun both bm and sv has, but gains a pushback. you also don't loose too much for calling a hero pet for when hero is needed but it's not optimal either. bm is the only ranged that can cast all it's abilities while moving, and while it's a nice thing esp for new players or some of us that want to play something chill, that should in no way be doing higher numbers that classes and specs that are harder to play.
Melee is absurdly easy. The only complaint about is ''sometimes I can't hit the boss when ranged can''. Played as a rogue/feral main for a long time. Ez mode
Would be cool if they turned survival hunter to tank role. With the shortage of tanks should turn another class like rogues outlaw as well would encourage more tanks in games. One can only wish
Imagine making this video only to have blizzard change EVERYTHING weeks before launch causing this whole video to be a waste of time. I'd be kinda pissed. This was a great video.
Love the new video 😎👌 rolling DK myself, Unholy is what I intend to play but will definitely be checking out those big obliterate hits with 2h frost 😊 going to play enhancement as an alt but very much looking forward to it!
Been playing a rogue since bc... Thinking about trying warrior this xpac. I know rogue is strong but I'm getting tired of the play style. Plus I'm going to bet more balancing comes out and rogue drops off a bit
Arms and Feral. Two of the most gear dependent classes in the game. Surprise surprise they suck at launch. Happens every expac, Arms usually ends up shining once the gear catches up. Feral was really good towards the end of legion with the right legendaries.
About Ret which I mostly agree with otherwise: "Retribution Aura" is never going to be put into use unless you have another paladin in the group to bring up Devotion Aura. It's just not worth the GCD to swap between them and guess when someone is about to die. And saying 'last man standing' - you don't really have anyone to proc it off of. Would make sense to keep it ready when the tank dies but if that's the case, it's sort of GG. "Off Heal", outside of Lay on Hands, can't live up to BFA. Word of Glory used to be a great heal and with talent, could save a group by healing 3. This isn't the case anymore with that it can't heal more than 1 target and that healing is so low it won't make a difference. Otherwise in terms of damage and utility they do great - just wish they had something to bring the other specs can't to make them stand out!
Not to mention that it overrides your current wings (if they didnt fix that, that is, but they didnt fix the bfa pvp talent that does the same thing, so well....) making it even worse than as if it wasnt existing. You can basically lose ur wings uptime with it.
I've been playing feral druid since BC and decided to pick up Rogue finally in BfA. I can't believe how much better they feel than feral. I felt like Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story where he was having a meltdown, screaming "years of academy training, wasted".
well thats the price some classes play for being spin offs of others while having a bunch of specs. when you have 4 specs one or two are gonna feel bad. assassination is just a better feral.
I dont really like the assessment of Surv hunter. Just because there have been no changes does not mean the class isnt fun or viable. Your whole review (voice track) was around "did blizzard make changes to a class" if no, then that was viewed as a negative. I do not agree with that.
SURVIVAL HUNTER ONLY NEEDS MONGOOSE BITE BASELINE AND YOULL SEE THE SPEC FLY AND BE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. I agree with what you said about feral, I was a top teir feral main in MOP and the bleed build with dot snapshotting was HELLLAAA FUN. I Miss it so much.
When you look on statistics from several sites, you will know, that rogues and warlocks are not most popular classes. Rogues are somwhere in middle, and warlock are somwhere bottom with shamans and monks.
I would put WW 1 step lower, Mainly because it's a spec that fights its siblings. IF you have a brewmaster there is 0 reasons to bring a WW. Same with MW, 0 reasons to bring a WW right now. WW will do decent for first 3 weeks of raiding and then like always scale like a potato and disappear.
Hi sir, love your videos! They are really crisp, what specs are the computer you use? I'm looking into building myself a new computer for the new expansion :)
The raid isn't specifically "melee unfriendly". It's basically as unfriendly to melee as every other raid ever. And i don't think most people need to worry about the raid being melee unfriendly - that level of comp min-maxing doesn't apply to the vast majority of players. :) Not in a way that it matter anyhow. Also: People have no idea how the conduits / soulbinds etc balance out the classes. There are so too many moving cogs right now.
yee... just saying the word and the community reacts with disdain to melee even in HC and Normal raids.. and weekly 15's that can be done in any comp. Might be more true for the 200players in the topp 5 guilds and the top 24+ keys in lower gear -not at all relevant to the base of players
@@Boxfortress Yea but I think Blizz put that affix so people feel less weird bringing a ranged to dungeons. I played assa and affli in BFA and groups just dont really like inviting ranged DPS. I think Storming will bring some more ranged into M+
@@dissociativeJC576 and the no range seson 1+2 comps are just because rogues was soo pushed due to utility For season 3-4 you could run ranged and in s4 you ran 3 hunters..
cant wait to play the enhance Shamwow in shadowlands they are seeming way different then they were in BFA (where i started wow and playing them) and that exciting love that they added all the shocks and lighting blot to the spec cant wit for October
Top DPS - its always rogue if u want to push mythic keys , if u want to push 2s and 3s, rogues have a big spot in raids aswell Why is rogue that good for mythics you ask its simple bc STEALTH is overpowered u can sap a mob and skip that saves so much time bc u skip a pack 2s and 3s rmp is the most broken comp since the beginning of the game Go rogue,no matter how hard the devs tune it down the class is designed in the way the game works ,its perfect
Im really thorn between rouge and warrior, ive always been a caster but I think its boring now, I really want a real melee class that feels good! Rouges sound so tempting! can you tell me your opinion on the diffrence between rouge and warrior, im planing to go PVE and little pvp!
So I’ve only ever played ranged dps (my main is bm Hunter, but I also enjoy balance Druid, and destro warlock) but I decided to try out melee dps. I found ret paly surprisingly fun! I’m not someone who’s hardcore, just playing for fun with the fam and friends, so what’s “best” doesn’t really matter for me, just enjoyability.
I want to give some feedback about feral as it hurts how it got represented, especially on AoE. Starting off with uncapped AoE. Yes, Feral is one of the specs that scale with targets, Primal Wrath, Trash and Rake remain uncapped, which means Ferals can really shine in M+ and aoe. And in the clip - you really need to adjust your dungeon talents.
Playing frost optimally on the beta is probably one of the hardest melees. You constantly swap between weapons in combat whilst using 3-5 weapons doing that. This is probably going to be changed in the future but with blizzard you never know
I respectfully disagree with your opinion on ferals. Ferals are doing great damage now in BFA. We've got great aoe and can dump ferocious bites into priority targets. I hope you're not just going along with "popular" opinions that have often marked feral as trash. I only bring this up because everybody watching your video will not want to bring ferals to dungeons. Watch Psybearslat. He's often top on dps meters in shadowlands beta.
After watching the feral section i came looking for this reply. Feral is probably in the best place it's been in several expacs. It's fun to play and shout out to Psybearslat.
Kelani even running imba wrong talent setup for dungeons, like no wonder your outcome is dogshit, who the actual heaven even runs scent of blood ? You got insta aoe with PW in 2 globals, 2 GLOBALS people. We're looking really good, just utility been ripped a bit away, but for people who comes for feral opinions, here is the deal. None of the popular youtubers knows shit about feral, never played them, just reads off old topics of how they are, within a community who thinks feral is dogshit, just because they believe so. Feral is fine, feels amazing if u know what to do. Come to feral discord channel if you want some actual prober respons. Just had to get this out, so tilting seing people displaying feral to thousands of people, making so fundamental rotational mistakes and wrong talent setups. No wonder your outcome feels bad. Aoe is good, single target got some fresh air with berserk change, and we got uncapped aoe.
Yep. As a feral, seeing his talent choices makes me sick. He is also using Incarnation, which is garbage. I'm not saying that feral is at the top but it's not that bad as he is showing it.
I love my Survival Hunter main, and I'm both happy and sad that there aren't a lot of changes. I might end up playing a lot more Death Knight and Rogue this expansion since they seem to just be... well, better.
The good thing is that those to classes aren't even close in any way.. One's melee and the other's a caster. A very distinct difference. Makes it easier for you to decide in the end. If you were between Affli lock and Shadow Priest, or Warrior and DK then it would be a hard choice.
What class would you suggest to avoid carpal tunnel issues? Enhancement Shaman ruined my wrist in Legion 😬 monk and paladin has been ok for me in BFA, but I'd like to try something else.
They're actually pretty fun, if youve played bfa balance drood, its that, with streaking stars azerife traits, but all the time instead of just for procs, juggling that with making sure not to overcap your resource like any class, namely melees, and trying not to repeat an ability due to improper chi management is rly fun, and i feel like i made it seem complex, but not, then again it may be complex to me, and easy for everyone else since im basically retarded, but yea, plus they all look rly cool, the abilities I mean, should give em a shot if you haven't, theyre super fun, specially as an alt, sadly theyre undertuned atm, and sl has a lot of bugs with earth wind and fire ability atm - (haven't watched vid yet to see what all he said)
@@Boxfortress I got the mage tower appearances but they're pretty dull imo, idek why, the fish are hilarious, so are two torches, two giant clubs, the long cane looking one with the twirled wood at the tip, and also the ale tankards lol
Been maining warrior for awhile now, i cant say executing is that fun :P There is no wow factor other than spamming it. Fury overall is sorta fun but man you get carpaltunnel after a dungeon :P
Hello guys, i never played wow, but i want to try this expansion. So i am asking as new players.. For playing wow shadowlands i need to buy all the expansions, or just shadowlands? Ty in advanxe for the advices and infos
I might be wrong... but to buy Shadowlands you need to already have BFA... so in your case I think you need to buy the Complete WoW edition (not sure if that’s the official name) that includes every expansion up to Shadowlands.
@@DNB__ well, i made a accont on blizzard, and look for shadowlands, and there are just 3 offers but only for shadowlands. So dunno if i need all game or just one of these 3 offers for shadowlands
i firmly believe Enh shammy is going to be a sleeper spec. If it wern't for their god-awful survivability, i think they'd be considered much more highly. The straight dmg from WF totem is super low, yes, but the resource/proc generation for classes like warrior, frost dk (2h especially), feral druid (omen of clarity not a ppm), and DHs is super underrated atm. Their covenant abilities do a LOT of damage atm; Venthyr/Kyrian for AoE, Night Fae and Kyrian(sort of) for ST, so the burst potential is there. Callin it now: Especially in M+, sleeper spec :thumbsup:
I personally don't decide on what I'm going to play on the throughput, or flavor of the month. I play what I enjoy, what is fun. I'm not in a top tier mythic guild, but our raid team is the more hardcore of the two in the guild. Damage is only a part of the equation in fights, if you are flubbing at mechanics then you can be benched just as easily as not pulling the numbers needed. We mainly do heroic, but we would like to do mythic some if we had the body count. And I have two other guilds I raid with on different toons and I choose what I play for them the same way as my main. What I enjoy more.
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Thank for the Video Kelani! Warriors sure know how to Execute their class! ;D
Definitely agree that Feral needs some love in the retooling department. It's fine when I'm out in the world but for raiders and dungeon-goers, I've got to think it's awful.
Skip to minute 26 if you just want the ranking.
Thanks for that.
Thank you. I love Kelanis voice, and normally I'd watch everything, but I've postponed this until 1 am and I want to sleep so just gonna check it out.
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This is exactly the kind of video I was looking for. Thank you!
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I guess I'll be going ret again. Sounds like they are in a decent place play wise. Due to an injury I recently had I lost the use of my left hand and ret seems like the easiest for playing with just an mmo mouse.
I feel offended.
Did you lose the use your left hand permanently or only for a period of time?
Issue you will have is not the rotation per say but the extra stuff like BoP and Lay on Hands that you may not need but if you do you need it fast. Honestly I would say DH would be your best bet as you can spec so you can play them with just a regular mouse, not even an MMO one, and still put out good damage. You may not top the charts but you will certainly pull your weight assuming we aren't talking Mythic raiding here.
Their damage will most likely get nerfed going into shadowlands
ret pally has tons of buttons. if not one of the most
Alas, poor survival. It might end up doing decent damage, I haven't seen hard numbers, but it seems like Blizzard has no idea what they want to do with it and have all but abandoned it.
Its shame for amazing and fun spec
survival is an absolute blast and in the right hands its very competitive DPS . So FUN!!!
as a SV main sometimes im forced to change to BM because i simply dont get invite as SV at all for M+. It sucks blizz abandoned the class even before the release of the xpac
@@xXStrider02Xx I won the +15 achievement as BM, as survival was simply impossible to get into serious groups.
SV actually does good, consistent single target damage and competitive AoE. Problem is that's all it does, where other melee specs bring at least one other thing to the table SV brings nothing but its damage and that damage is not so high that its worth losing the utility that another class would bring. Raids already limit the number of melee due to how most fights are designed so in a world of limited spots SV just doesn't bring enough to the table to warrant the loss of ANY other class or even hunter spec.
I'm praying that Windwalkers get some attention before launch. It's so much fun!
been playing on my WW alt for a few weeks tho, man they are really powerful! clearing visions with the shittiest gear NP!
Yeah, it was my main alt in Legion, and mained it in BFA. It's super fun for solo play - with decent sustain and crazy mobility! Also, Mistweaver and Brewmaster is super fun too, so unless you plan on pushing the hardest content you could probably get away with playing monk.
I love the flow of the class, lots of buttons to press but it flows great, not much down time and I love that
Same, I just made my first monk ever after playing the game for 13 years lol. Chose WW for my spec and named them Tïfa with a fitting mog :3
@@rekt4083 yea man monks flow really nicely, would be nice if they did something similar with the DH
Not gonna lie that "Yeahh, delightful" about Unholy absolutely got me 😂
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Somehow enhancement got really really fun for me. Havent tried many melee specs but that one is fun to play :) awesome video man :)
I love the positivity. I just had to laugh a bit at my favorite spec (sv hunter). The best part of sv is you can swap to mm or bm. That, my friend, is gold.
This was really well done and I enjoyed the hell out of it.
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*Hugs her crying Blood Elf Windwalker Monk character* There, there! You'll get your time to shine. I dunno when, but you will
Nicko Mocanu *Walks over and sits down with my Troll Enhancement Shaman* Eventually Buddy.
Eyy, the spriest's name at 16:31, my man jesus :D
Correction to your survival hunter review: I think you meant to say Blizz has 1 option and that's converting it back to a ranged spell damage spec with stings and explosive shot
I like it thematically as melee. Makes me feel like a badass survivor dude.
No way, survival is unique and plays unlike any other melee class
Feral needs Leader of the Pack baseline, this'll greatly help their appeal for group content.
Any Enhancement Shaman mains out there?! The changes back to a simpler time like WotLK and Cata is fantastic and makes it super fun! Plus the legendaries play off of Soulbinds and Talents so well! I cannot wait for the Pre-Patch and test out everything! Hoorah!
You can check out the pre patch on ptr
I prefer keeping windfury totem for myself. Raids should get their own totems. I want to compete in dps as a shaman, not increase their dps. They're so low on the Tier, i don't know if i want to go through that crap again. Always carrying the torch for everyone. idk... Heart breaking
@@sergeya4989 That is true man. But like alot of classes, they scale through the expansion. I have been doing well compared to other high geared DPS in Mythic+. At the beginning will be tough, but stay true to the class and get the best items and stats you can!
Will you be doing a ranged version? This was really informative thank you
I’d love for them to put Icy Touch back in the game.
agreed that dispel was amazing
I could not agree with you more guys
And get rid of breath. It's simply no fun.
PinkDevilFish I agree. It’s simply a boring and all through a bad ability imho.
@@dirtyswampman I have so much nostalgia of being a UH DK in WoD, having to think about generating Death Runes so I could spam 5-6 blood boils in a row during AoE phases. The most fun thing that they removed from DK was getting rid of Blood Tap. Shit was fuckin amazing in PvE and PvP once you knew how to use it.
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I watch Kelani's videos just for this comment.
It makes sense for rogues to be madmen in melee DPS -- it's all they do. All three specs are just variations of melee damage.
As someone who has mained rogue since vanilla, the rogue bit of this video made me pretty happy.
Glad the two main classes i play since wrath , lock and dk are both looking good
Great video, worth watching the entire thing
Excellent video. Thanks!!
wow just in time, i was struggling with choosing a class since yesterday. and boom a class video form you
Is there a similar video about Ranges coming as well?
I think he did already and affliction lock was top dps
@@craigmcguire6573 Yeah, Destro wasn't far below too
@@craigmcguire6573 I'm not seeing that video. This was recent?
@@actionjoe22 me neither
No offense at all my man, but the entire feral assessment is wrong. In M+ we have great AoE options and even have our best AOE ability uncapped. We dont need the ramp up time of a warlock etc, its 3 globals and we are rocking and rolling. We have received lots of changes for SLs and are looking really good for SLs all around. Our only downfall is a lack of unique melee utility versus what other melee bring. We have great burst with berserk rework and our covenant choices really spice things up as well. I feel like this was based off of hearsay and not actually testing the spec.
Did you go into that dungeon without Primal Wrath!??!?! WHY.....................it hurts my soul. OOF. Im assuming you went Scent of Blood. Yikes man. Go give Predator/Primal Wrath a try and win.
Yeah, I was surprised to hear what he thought of Feral since Preach considered it as a main
The ISSUE with feral is that their rotation/entire class has not changed at all since wrath. If anything 'savage roar' not being a default, and mangle not being a debuff to keep up...feral is the same...if not easier than in wotlk. I wish they would have been made more complex or higher in difficultly...a class design where only if you play perfectly you do top 5 dps.
I'd love more complex dps rotations where better players do better dps. Top players should be that way because of skill. Not because they spent an ungodly amount of time on these shitty "artifact power/azerite power/shadowland pointless grind.'
I am so done. So so so done with with these stupid ass grinds impacting dps so much. I hate it. If I take a 3 week break. I shouldn't lose out and do less damage than people who so the stupid grinds. I hate it.
Someone who plays perfectly should do more damage than people who play 75% perfect, yet have a few more weeks of cancer like grind on the other
@@claudeyaz Feral is getting more difficult in Shadowlands, albeit not much. Feral really doesnt have any issues atm other than melee utility. The issue you speak of is subjective and the statement that feral's rotation hasnt changed is a good indicator that you havent played much feral at all in the past few patches/expansions. Feral is a different beast now. Wrath was not peak feral difficulty, MoP was.
It sounds like you are just frustrated with the game as a whole. Also the "grind" has nothing to do with class/spec complexity, encounter design does.
@@Splootzi yus ! i was like why ya putting one rip mon ? when ya have primal wrath ?? xD
The best class is the one you love and play well. A master at a “C tier” class will crush a fotm player, and if you don’t top the chart you sure won’t babysit the bottom place. Don’t pick your main based on beta dps charts or you’ll be unhappy week two after the raid/mythic plus open. Thanks for letting me share
I know this might sound good on an inspirational Cat Poster or something, but really isn't true. You can't will a spec to be better than it is, all you can do (as a "master") is play it to near its top potential. If a competing spec's floor is higher than your spec's ceiling, no amount of "I love my spec!" will get you over the hump.
Outlaw on prepatch feels AMAZING. I wish it had more spells like the windwalker for utility and animation. But the damage rotation is SICK, efficient, no hole, and quick !
Well done as usual
As feral i feel sad. And its not the first time it happened
Bro ive been wathcing your videoes for ever, and never noticed i hadn't subbed! ): You have the best voice man hahahaha
9:45 I gotta say, Kelani might be understating how much better BM is compared to survival. BM is way better at every single thing compared to survival hunter. 100% DPS on the move, sustained cleave, single target, and AoE.
Why was the prot Paladin doing more damage than the ret pala....
Because prot is everything a ret pally should be, except + burst - some defensives
Because blizzard can’t balance ret
survival is the melee with the highest uptime, providing better utility than the ranged hunter specs (15 sec interrupts, instant freezing trap, actual working misdirection. mm does have a working misdirection as well but loses the pet stun from not using a pet) and a handful of builds to suit different damage profiles (multi-target cleave, burst aoe, full st, big aoe on chainpulls and there are even more)
the only problem with it is the same problem with enh shamans and ferals have - they share a class with ranged dps and don't bring anything unique to account for that.
BM is a ranged class that can do ALL of its attacks while moving and if it has to stop to do a mechanic its pet is still putting out good damage. Thats the ultimate utility.
@@Maverick512000 survival was beating bm in keys until about two weeks after the vendor went live and it got broken when people could buy as many crit corruptions as they would like. I know, I main hunter for multiple expansions. bm still has worse utility than sv; misdirection is as it's almost exclusively pet damage, freeze trap takes time to land when being casted from ranged which means by that time you might miss the cast or risk yourself in melee esp if you have never played a melee spec. leech on sv is better than bm's spirit mend minus the exta hussle to bind it or leave it be casted on random targets. sv aslso provides a 15 sec interrupt which is something sought after in m+.
now mm loses the pet stun both bm and sv has, but gains a pushback. you also don't loose too much for calling a hero pet for when hero is needed but it's not optimal either.
bm is the only ranged that can cast all it's abilities while moving, and while it's a nice thing esp for new players or some of us that want to play something chill, that should in no way be doing higher numbers that classes and specs that are harder to play.
Who wins between melee DPS? Ranged. Ranged do.
Well you can play as ranged with Unholdy DK. So it is the best?
@@lakrinmex8132 Yes it is lol
Melee is absurdly easy. The only complaint about is ''sometimes I can't hit the boss when ranged can''. Played as a rogue/feral main for a long time. Ez mode
@@Lolaroflwaffle you obviously never played melee with 1 defensive so pls yes rogue is easy we all know that when it has 4 defensive cds
PISTOL SHOT
Would be cool if they turned survival hunter to tank role. With the shortage of tanks should turn another class like rogues outlaw as well would encourage more tanks in games. One can only wish
probs my fav wow yter ngl keep it up hope to C some gameplay with commentary in the dungeons
Imagine making this video only to have blizzard change EVERYTHING weeks before launch causing this whole video to be a waste of time. I'd be kinda pissed. This was a great video.
Love the new video 😎👌 rolling DK myself, Unholy is what I intend to play but will definitely be checking out those big obliterate hits with 2h frost 😊 going to play enhancement as an alt but very much looking forward to it!
Where my 9.0 Arms Bois at
We shall not yield
I hope it gets better, I'm so sick of spamming random buttons on Fury. It's such a dumb spec.
Arms' new playstyle seems interesting, having Deep Wounds not be the forefront of your damage I think will be quite nice.
Arms for life mate
YEET. BIG STCIKS ARE BEST STICKS
Arms here bro👍🤘
It's a pity because out of all of the classes, Survival is one of the most fun to actually play. Why do they never get any love?
10 year feral main, this feel is starting to become the only feel :') Fucking miss wrath and mop.
Very keen to play Rogue, Warrior. Haven't mained rogue since BC.
Been playing a rogue since bc... Thinking about trying warrior this xpac. I know rogue is strong but I'm getting tired of the play style. Plus I'm going to bet more balancing comes out and rogue drops off a bit
@@bkaiser10 Yea fair, thats why im going both, so i can alternate and not get too bored.
great vid, thank you for this. helps me make a choice.
Blizzard make feral great again ! xD
It would be such an amazing class if they just gave it a little love ... been a long time since they did
Loving the content! Can’t wait for prepatch to play with some new things!
You can do so right now on PTR (you do not even need subscription for PTR). Also you can copy your characters onto PTR so you can play right now.
If they ever give us a pre patch release date lol
Arms and Feral. Two of the most gear dependent classes in the game. Surprise surprise they suck at launch. Happens every expac, Arms usually ends up shining once the gear catches up. Feral was really good towards the end of legion with the right legendaries.
RIP 2H Frost DK we hardly knew you
About Ret which I mostly agree with otherwise: "Retribution Aura" is never going to be put into use unless you have another paladin in the group to bring up Devotion Aura. It's just not worth the GCD to swap between them and guess when someone is about to die. And saying 'last man standing' - you don't really have anyone to proc it off of. Would make sense to keep it ready when the tank dies but if that's the case, it's sort of GG. "Off Heal", outside of Lay on Hands, can't live up to BFA. Word of Glory used to be a great heal and with talent, could save a group by healing 3. This isn't the case anymore with that it can't heal more than 1 target and that healing is so low it won't make a difference.
Otherwise in terms of damage and utility they do great - just wish they had something to bring the other specs can't to make them stand out!
every god damn expansion, Ret is meh
Not to mention that it overrides your current wings (if they didnt fix that, that is, but they didnt fix the bfa pvp talent that does the same thing, so well....) making it even worse than as if it wasnt existing. You can basically lose ur wings uptime with it.
Only place to use Retribution Aura would be LFR, cause you know people are going to die a lot.
I've been playing feral druid since BC and decided to pick up Rogue finally in BfA. I can't believe how much better they feel than feral. I felt like Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story where he was having a meltdown, screaming "years of academy training, wasted".
Playing only 1 class for 10 years is just stupid
@@NomadCro Point out where I said I only played one class. Making assumptions without any real context is just stupid.
@@NomadCro so is complaining at someone for playing what they want to play lol
@@NomadCro Idiot
well thats the price some classes play for being spin offs of others while having a bunch of specs. when you have 4 specs one or two are gonna feel bad. assassination is just a better feral.
Its gonna be hard for me to pick a main.
I dont really like the assessment of Surv hunter. Just because there have been no changes does not mean the class isnt fun or viable. Your whole review (voice track) was around "did blizzard make changes to a class" if no, then that was viewed as a negative. I do not agree with that.
SURVIVAL HUNTER ONLY NEEDS MONGOOSE BITE BASELINE AND YOULL SEE THE SPEC FLY AND BE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. I agree with what you said about feral, I was a top teir feral main in MOP and the bleed build with dot snapshotting was HELLLAAA FUN. I Miss it so much.
Looks an anoter expansion full of warlocks, rogues, mages and maybe some DHs
When you look on statistics from several sites, you will know, that rogues and warlocks are not most popular classes. Rogues are somwhere in middle, and warlock are somwhere bottom with shamans and monks.
@@UndeadR maybe in BFA. My mind was more suited into Pandaria or Warlords.
@@UndeadR in the beta locks and rogues are definitely the fotm clases for most of the beta.
Stuff we will see after SL launch. Those classes recived a lot of changes, and people are testing.
And Shadow prist
I would put WW 1 step lower, Mainly because it's a spec that fights its siblings. IF you have a brewmaster there is 0 reasons to bring a WW. Same with MW, 0 reasons to bring a WW right now.
WW will do decent for first 3 weeks of raiding and then like always scale like a potato and disappear.
WW2 caused way more damaged than WW1 wtf you talking about ?
@@alz230 wat
Hi sir, love your videos! They are really crisp, what specs are the computer you use? I'm looking into building myself a new computer for the new expansion :)
What is the brewmaster monk wearing on his back during the wind walker segment. Looks like Xyra’s heart
The raid isn't specifically "melee unfriendly". It's basically as unfriendly to melee as every other raid ever.
And i don't think most people need to worry about the raid being melee unfriendly - that level of comp min-maxing doesn't apply to the vast majority of players. :) Not in a way that it matter anyhow.
Also:
People have no idea how the conduits / soulbinds etc balance out the classes. There are so too many moving cogs right now.
yee... just saying the word and the community reacts with disdain to melee even in HC and Normal raids.. and weekly 15's that can be done in any comp.
Might be more true for the 200players in the topp 5 guilds and the top 24+ keys in lower gear -not at all relevant to the base of players
Storming affix is the biggest F u to melee in a long time.
@@Boxfortress Too bad it isn't a part of "the raid". :)
@@Boxfortress Yea but I think Blizz put that affix so people feel less weird bringing a ranged to dungeons. I played assa and affli in BFA and groups just dont really like inviting ranged DPS. I think Storming will bring some more ranged into M+
@@dissociativeJC576 and the no range seson 1+2 comps are just because rogues was soo pushed due to utility
For season 3-4 you could run ranged
and in s4 you ran 3 hunters..
I'm gonna main my horde Ret pala, then my alliance unholy dk and then ww monk. Nice video man
cant wait to play the enhance Shamwow in shadowlands they are seeming way different then they were in BFA (where i started wow and playing them) and that exciting love that they added all the shocks and lighting blot to the spec cant wit for October
Top DPS - its always rogue if u want to push mythic keys , if u want to push 2s and 3s, rogues have a big spot in raids aswell
Why is rogue that good for mythics you ask its simple bc STEALTH is overpowered u can sap a mob and skip that saves so much time bc u skip a pack
2s and 3s rmp is the most broken comp since the beginning of the game
Go rogue,no matter how hard the devs tune it down the class is designed in the way the game works ,its perfect
Im really thorn between rouge and warrior, ive always been a caster but I think its boring now, I really want a real melee class that feels good! Rouges sound so tempting! can you tell me your opinion on the diffrence between rouge and warrior, im planing to go PVE and little pvp!
@@MrAmarow ROGUES*, not rouges
So I’ve only ever played ranged dps (my main is bm Hunter, but I also enjoy balance Druid, and destro warlock) but I decided to try out melee dps. I found ret paly surprisingly fun! I’m not someone who’s hardcore, just playing for fun with the fam and friends, so what’s “best” doesn’t really matter for me, just enjoyability.
I want to give some feedback about feral as it hurts how it got represented, especially on AoE.
Starting off with uncapped AoE. Yes, Feral is one of the specs that scale with targets, Primal Wrath, Trash and Rake remain uncapped, which means Ferals can really shine in M+ and aoe.
And in the clip - you really need to adjust your dungeon talents.
I'm excited to see the 2 hand option for Frost Death Knights again. It just looks better IMO.
Playing frost optimally on the beta is probably one of the hardest melees. You constantly swap between weapons in combat whilst using 3-5 weapons doing that. This is probably going to be changed in the future but with blizzard you never know
Why do you swap weapons?
One point on enhance: you can also spend malestrom stacks to nstacast your covenant ability, like chain harvest
Venthyr Enh Shaman, probably going to be my main and man i can't wait to play it lol
@@diego_chang9580 Same. Been my main since MoP. Can't wait
I respectfully disagree with your opinion on ferals. Ferals are doing great damage now in BFA. We've got great aoe and can dump ferocious bites into priority targets. I hope you're not just going along with "popular" opinions that have often marked feral as trash. I only bring this up because everybody watching your video will not want to bring ferals to dungeons. Watch Psybearslat. He's often top on dps meters in shadowlands beta.
After watching the feral section i came looking for this reply. Feral is probably in the best place it's been in several expacs. It's fun to play and shout out to Psybearslat.
Kelani even running imba wrong talent setup for dungeons, like no wonder your outcome is dogshit, who the actual heaven even runs scent of blood ? You got insta aoe with PW in 2 globals, 2 GLOBALS people. We're looking really good, just utility been ripped a bit away, but for people who comes for feral opinions, here is the deal. None of the popular youtubers knows shit about feral, never played them, just reads off old topics of how they are, within a community who thinks feral is dogshit, just because they believe so. Feral is fine, feels amazing if u know what to do. Come to feral discord channel if you want some actual prober respons. Just had to get this out, so tilting seing people displaying feral to thousands of people, making so fundamental rotational mistakes and wrong talent setups. No wonder your outcome feels bad. Aoe is good, single target got some fresh air with berserk change, and we got uncapped aoe.
Feral do great damage? Warcraftlogs says otherwise.
im glad to see assassination is still doing good. i love that spec but i still might have to go sub
Will you make a video about ranged dps or have you already made one?
for Feral why in talents lvl45 you dont use Brutal Slash(single/aoe) o Primal Wrath(masive aoe)???, you lose much damage with Scent of Blood
Yep. As a feral, seeing his talent choices makes me sick. He is also using Incarnation, which is garbage. I'm not saying that feral is at the top but it's not that bad as he is showing it.
Been maining rouge since around Cata, so I'm sticking to it. Alting Warlock or some other ranged, maybe spriest or balance.
I am new to the game. What is the top left icon @26:34 ?
Any news on heritage armors, or possible new player races?
I don't really care about min max and Survival since BFA was the only melee spec i could get into. It's simply fun to play for me.
Great vid, are you willing to make a ranged class version od this video? Thanks either way
I love my Survival Hunter main, and I'm both happy and sad that there aren't a lot of changes. I might end up playing a lot more Death Knight and Rogue this expansion since they seem to just be... well, better.
cryes in feral and survival again
Windwalkers doing this too
Im having a tough time deciding between destro lock or frost dk this expac.
The good thing is that those to classes aren't even close in any way.. One's melee and the other's a caster. A very distinct difference. Makes it easier for you to decide in the end. If you were between Affli lock and Shadow Priest, or Warrior and DK then it would be a hard choice.
Affliction is the way to go in shadowlands
nvm no frost dk anymore after unexpected nerf
@@fractallightx What did they do?
Im actually Maining a Dk with an alt lock!
For fury, two 2h or two 1h?
What class would you suggest to avoid carpal tunnel issues? Enhancement Shaman ruined my wrist in Legion 😬 monk and paladin has been ok for me in BFA, but I'd like to try something else.
play arms warrior. youll have multiple seconds of no rage if your raiding
Was that a Ernst Junger refference for the Fury Warrior?
Yea WW monk attacks LOOK cool. But they sound so silly.
They're actually pretty fun, if youve played bfa balance drood, its that, with streaking stars azerife traits, but all the time instead of just for procs, juggling that with making sure not to overcap your resource like any class, namely melees, and trying not to repeat an ability due to improper chi management is rly fun, and i feel like i made it seem complex, but not, then again it may be complex to me, and easy for everyone else since im basically retarded, but yea, plus they all look rly cool, the abilities I mean, should give em a shot if you haven't, theyre super fun, specially as an alt, sadly theyre undertuned atm, and sl has a lot of bugs with earth wind and fire ability atm - (haven't watched vid yet to see what all he said)
Mog your weapons into the fish
Gnomish helicopter anyone? Guess that skill!
Also, I think Rampage(Fury Warrior) sounds like a dot matrix printer after the thousandth time hearing it.
@@Boxfortress I got the mage tower appearances but they're pretty dull imo, idek why, the fish are hilarious, so are two torches, two giant clubs, the long cane looking one with the twirled wood at the tip, and also the ale tankards lol
Hey! Are you also going to release a range dps video? Would Really love that!
Been maining warrior for awhile now, i cant say executing is that fun :P There is no wow factor other than spamming it. Fury overall is sorta fun but man you get carpaltunnel after a dungeon :P
I was running crucible of flame instead of blood for a while and that felt like an actual execute.
is there a Best of Ranged DPS vid ?
I remember when I made my paladin back in bc I rolled prot for years because they could throw their shield lmao man times were simple back then
Hello guys, i never played wow, but i want to try this expansion. So i am asking as new players.. For playing wow shadowlands i need to buy all the expansions, or just shadowlands? Ty in advanxe for the advices and infos
I might be wrong... but to buy Shadowlands you need to already have BFA... so in your case I think you need to buy the Complete WoW edition (not sure if that’s the official name) that includes every expansion up to Shadowlands.
@@DNB__ well, i made a accont on blizzard, and look for shadowlands, and there are just 3 offers but only for shadowlands. So dunno if i need all game or just one of these 3 offers for shadowlands
Thanks, great video, still cant decide which Melee to lvl yet tho! =)
What i would really like added to these videos is button count in rotation and apm(low/med/high), im getting hand pain with too much apm and buttons.
İs there an actual ranking in this video?
nope, and even his "ranking" is no where near close to the raid dps charts that came out the other day lol
Ranking is at the end. It's even formatted like a tier list.
Looking forward to ranged ranking
The whole "not looting the bodies" thing is making my eye twitch.
yeah it annoyed the heck out of me
Before expansion every class looks cool, 1 month after expansion 1 meta comp comes out everyone reroll to it xD
i firmly believe Enh shammy is going to be a sleeper spec. If it wern't for their god-awful survivability, i think they'd be considered much more highly. The straight dmg from WF totem is super low, yes, but the resource/proc generation for classes like warrior, frost dk (2h especially), feral druid (omen of clarity not a ppm), and DHs is super underrated atm. Their covenant abilities do a LOT of damage atm; Venthyr/Kyrian for AoE, Night Fae and Kyrian(sort of) for ST, so the burst potential is there. Callin it now: Especially in M+, sleeper spec :thumbsup:
@SignsOfKelani
Will you do a video for R-DPS, Tanks and Healers??
Is this ranking source just form personal gameplay?
I personally don't decide on what I'm going to play on the throughput, or flavor of the month. I play what I enjoy, what is fun. I'm not in a top tier mythic guild, but our raid team is the more hardcore of the two in the guild. Damage is only a part of the equation in fights, if you are flubbing at mechanics then you can be benched just as easily as not pulling the numbers needed. We mainly do heroic, but we would like to do mythic some if we had the body count. And I have two other guilds I raid with on different toons and I choose what I play for them the same way as my main. What I enjoy more.
What use to post this? Its going to change anyway.