I have a 2023 F350 with the 7.3 with tons of extra room under the hood. It amazes me how all those voids are occupied with components when there's a diesel under the hood.
Not many if any need the extra torque and HP, just going to burn more diesel with that tune. The SO looks like a very solid engine with a little better solution for exaust treatment. Will definatly consider this truck in 2-3 years when they come on the used market and we can almost afford it. 😂
Very well said sir! Totally agree. If I had 100k burning a hole in my pocket the HO would be fun but I think for most people the SO is going to be a great engine
The cost difference is small when compared to the already large cost of the diesel engine over the gas version. I came out of a 2020 Raptor and bought a 2024 F350 SRW 6.7HO Platnium Tremor. The reason for the change is to tow a 5th Wheel RV that my wife decided we needed. I do absolutely love this truck, it’s fantastic. I wanted something quick since I was giving up the Raptor for this endeavor and it delivers. I will be keeping this truck for a long time.
@@AlejandroDeZan yeah, don’t get me wrong I’m pretty excited about it, but she was definitely the driving force behind it. Personally, I like to save money, but my wife apparently hates money every time when it comes to saving it or spending it, magically money just 💨 it something else besides money. Shoes, Purse, Clothes, a RV… 🫣
@@GettysGaragewhat are your thoughts on that EGR? With the 9th injector does that change the amount of “sut” that runs back through the engine for a second burn?
You have the best engine and truck reviews on the internet! Your commentary is great. FWIW- The background music doesn’t add much and is distracting IMHO. Thanks for the work!!
It is nice to see the Regen process being improved. I had the 1st Gen in a F-450 and when it went into Regen it seemed to lose power and use more fuel.
I’m testing all the brands right now. Today I was able to drive the F250 tremor. It was my favorite so far. I won’t even drive a dodge. The GMC have transmission issues right now. So this might be my new truck. Great video. Lots of power. Good looking truck. Thanks.
No doubt the Tremor is a fantastic truck. But Ford gives bad greedy vibes when they force you to buy the HO 6.7 for the Tremor package! That makes no sense at all!!!
I know you are not a big fan of the 6.0 powerstroke however I have seen 6.4 powerstrokes behind you in some videos. I think it would be interesting for you to do a video on those two considering you are a diesel mechanic and you also are now seeing the improvements of the 6.7
I have a question about the cp4 pump. Why didn’t they update or fix the issues with this pump so it doesn’t explode metal into the injection system like mine did? They know it’s a problem so why aren’t they addressing the problem. Otherwise it’s a great engine
Great review. I have never understood putting a PowerStroke in a F250. You barely have any payload left. My dream truck is a PowerStroke F350. I just went to the Ford site and built it. Amazing how fast you can get up to $90K.
I would love to know the real percentage but in DFW area in TX, a 3/4 ton full on loaded pickup only needs the payload for golf clubs or rifles and a Yeti cooler for more than half of them. There are lots of them traded in 2 and 3 years old and there is not a blemish in the bed and many have the paint untouched in the hitch receiver. Ford, GM and Ram know their market.
I’ve always thought this but my head scratcher was more in line with suspension. The amount of power available way out shines the amount of suspension capacity available. If you’re out doing the gas engine then your out doing the suspension capacity as well FWIW, my 22 f250 is an extended cab 8’ bed 4x4 on 33” rubbers with a 6.2 gas v8 under the hood. It weighs almost an even 7,000lb with me and some tools inside. That leaves me with 3,000lb of available payload. Not too shabby. The only thing I would do different is the gear ratio. It’s got 3.73…. I run mountains with a trailer on the daily, all low speed stuff but steep. I think the 4.30 gears would make a huge difference where I work the truck
Greetings Alex. It's amazing what a few changes with big advertising campaigns can achieve. The truth is that the buyer must know strictly what he requires for loading, towing, extreme adventure or any of the other jobs to which a truck is subjected. And why not?; Get advice from experts who have already owned that truck and learn about their experiences. I think that the best choice and purchasing power is personal and not the seller's. Personally, I really like the FORD power strock SO. THANK YOU very much for sharing your comments and videos 😊 they are ALWAYS A GOOD ANALYSIS. A HUG from CDMX, Mexico.
Just waiting for the Banks Derringer “(after computer tuner) to be released this year. It’s expected to increase the hp to 650 and TQ to 1700 but only on the high output 6.7. And won’t leave a “footprint “ so that Ford can’t find a way to void your warranty.
Didn’t know that they now have a 9th injector like the duramax’s have that is a nice upgrade. Also I heard that the HO have inkinel exhaust valves instead of steel like the SO or the older ones. I believe they said they have a bigger oil cooler now too. Another separate note is I was told the large oil capacity for diesel is to trap soot as a quart of oil can only trap so much. Eventually that oil will get to temp it will just take longer. And longer to cool down too.
As front mount intercoolers are more efficient, why not mount a larger intercooler behind the grille like (even Ford) many others do. Also, it does not seem to have a negative effect on engine cooling either.
I had no idea that there were so much trickle down to the standard engine. Thanks for pointing all this out. What would you replace the Bosch fuel pump with on the powerstrokes
S&S DCR is the only legit replacement that will not grenade. Also, use a lubricity agent in your fuel to limit the possibility of the cp4 coming apart and damaging your rig
Part of the reason a diesel gets better mileage is the fact the engine can get the work done with less rpm. BMEP is why Cummins says the 6.7 Octane will be better than the competition. I would expect the MPG to be slightly less than the diesel counterpart(less energy dense fuel).
I understand it must be really hard to package these beast and all it associated hardware under the hood . . . but using "cool" (more like warm) engine coolant in an air to water intercooler loop it's FAR from an optimal solution.😒👎💩 Thank you my good man for taking the time to make a video about it and explaining the improvements and differences. Looking forward to new episodes. 😎👍
SO has had more years under its belt, the HO is just gonna burn more fuel which in turn uses more def and go into regen more. Ive towed 16k with my 22 PS and it has 3:31 read end and it was way more than enough.
I’ve found a new 2023 f250 6.7 at a local dealer and they are looking to get rid of it. It’s marked down significantly. Might be worth upgrading my 21 7.3 gas to it lol
HALLELUJAH -- FINALLY THEY FIGURED OUT THEY NEED AN AFTERTREATMENT DOSER INJECTOR!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Just wish both the std & high output also got the water-cooled turbos!
I’m a ford guy and the company I work for put me in a 24 ram 2500 Cummins to drive for a few weeks. I need to buy a towing rig in tbd next few years and I just don’t know 😅 the low end torque of the Cummins is undeniable and with them going to the 8 speed next year it makes for a very attractive package. Then I see this video 💀
I love the 6.7 Cummins, great engine and I think with the 8 speed next year it will be a game changer. But if you get behind the wheel of a PowerStroke you might change your tune. You put your foot down and you hold on.
I just got a 2024 Ram 2500 with the Cummins and there is no denying that engine is awesome. My last 2017 Cummins towed great I can imagine how much better this one with the extra 50lb ft of torque. Did a Hemi 6.4 for a bit and immediately missed the diesel
The standard engine is not using more boost and therefore does not need a lower compression ratio. Lowering the CR on the standard engine will result in less efficiency - which may be a choice so that the HO doesn't look so bad when compared to the standard engine!!
It's so disappointing that the diesel is not standard. It's a $10k + option for the standard and almost 13k for the HO. New vehicle prices are insane across the board. No new vehicle on the market is worth it's MSRP at this point. If you walk off the lot with your new truck and it's immediately worth half what you paid something is wrong. And the reliability has gone down across the board. A ton of systems making them even more difficult to diagnose and repair. And constantly changing the design and parts. Ford is notorious for offering too many options. They need to keep it simple. That's we all want. Simple and works hard for a long time. That's why this 97 powerstroke will be my last vehicle I ever own. I'm 34 and I will NEVER be buying another new vehicle unless they take 50% off MSRP and offer lifetime power train warranty❤
Interesting piston design. IMO the HO 6.7 is just not necessary. 150 extra TQ is really nothing but bragging rights. I think it would be safe to say that the F450 pickup with SO 6.7 could haul the 40k load about as well as the HO, if Ford sold a config rated as such. What I find quite dumb is making the HO available on an F250. It's such an unnecessary engine for a 3/4-ton.
2500 upgrade cost....no brainer. Better cooling, better internals, and more power. Truck is already going to cost allot if your considering 6.7 regular.
Could you review the 5.0 Cummins in the Nissan Titan XD? I know it’s an older truck, but there are a lot of them on the used market. I would be curious to hear your thoughts.
The regular engine is already extreme overkill. We don’t even use diesel anymore where I work. we use HD F650 with the 7.3 gas and they pull hard and get the job done.
Ford really needs to make the Tremor option available on the SO 6.7! To require the HO6.7 to get the Tremor package is nothing but GREED!!! COME ON FORD - ARE YOU LISTENING???!!!!
@TheGettyAdventures: You mentioned a preference for air-to-air intercooler verses coolant-air intercooler. I am just curious to understand your preference, i.e., is there better cooling with a less dense, but cooler media (air) or is it simplicity of air-to-air verses a coolant exchanger?
@TheGettyAdventures - I watched your video about diesel engines/trucks 2012 and newer and how they are very troublesome specially if they are not driven far every day. Would you recommend the purchase of a older diesel model? Like a 2010 F250 with a diesel engine? Do those have the same issue or are they more reliable?
You know what I'm gonna say it. I dont think the 6.7 powerstroke belongs in the F250. I think if you need more power than the 6.2l gas engine option will provide you need a bigger truck to go with your more powerful engine. The gas engine will do everything you would need a F250 to do and if you are regularly towing 15k+ pounds like the F250 with the powerstroke will do you would be much better served with a F350 Dually.
I am not sure a more aggressive cam-lobe on a CP4, pushing output volume and taking the pump further up its performance envelope is a good thing when these pumps are famous for grenading catastrophically already...
@@GettysGarage It seems that there is plenty of Super Duty failures of the CP4 on RUclips which ends up costing huge dollars (>$10K) if the system is no longer under Ford Warranty. A company called S&S makes a fuel pump that replaces the CP4 called their DCS pump. Before they released the pump this year, they also made a kit called a “disaster prevention kit” that was basically some screens for the CP4 fuel lines, which detect metal shavings during a pump failure and shut the pump down almost instantly, thus preventing these metal shavings from migrating into the injector lines, injectors and the fuel return to the tank and tank itself. That said, if someone was going to put a disaster prevention kit on a CP4 from S&S, it would be better for the labor $$ to just replace the pump as the labor to get down to the pump from the top of the motor, removing tons of stuff, isn’t going to be that much different than just replacing the pump. Some have expressed that if the CP4 fails under its warranty period, it’s a Ford issue with regard to cost and that replacing the CP4 with an aftermarket S&S DCS that might void the Ford Warranty. However, there is a law down here in the US which places the burden on the vehicle manufacturer to show that the aftermarket parts or modifications were the cause or contributing factor leading to the failure for any warranty related work an owner would be asking for to do under the provisioned factory warranty from Ford. If it was me, I would spend the dollars and have the CP4 replaced with a DCS before warranty or no warranty lapse, either way. It’s expensive as F-bomb and one would want to make sure the job was done perfectly, e.g., the lines, injectors and related things were buttoned up perfectly. It is a really, really stupid thing that Ford continues to use this pump when their competitors moved away from this disaster of a pump because they were getting killed by the CP4 warranty fixes.
Hey man quick question I got a 2004 gmc 5.3 t and it has around 140 k miles never had an issue allways been reliable , I meet a guy who has a 2013 ram 1500 5.7 express and has around 140k miles he fell I love with my truck and he wants to trade should I trade my ls motor for a 5.7 motor
That just isn't the case. There have been breakdown videos for a while now showing the difference in the internal turbo parts. Similar yes but absolutely not the same water cooling aside.
"basically identical" I believe is the term I used. I have seen that video - great video, there are very minor differences but I would guess the actual performance out of both is extremely similar. Ford even admitted the turbo sizes are the same for whatever that is worth.
I don't mean to correct you but that's Andre from TFL not Roman . I used to mix the names up too because Andre is Russian and Roman seems like it would be his name 😂
At $80k for an XLT, I'm out. Looks good don't get me wrong, but I think I'll just buy a used truck and build it up to perform that way. Great review though
Nah. They know people are going to pay these inflated prices so there is no reason to drop prices. They'll just produce fewer vehicles in just the living room trim level to keep prices high. Welcome to the world of 100k 3/4 and 1 ton pickup.
@@mr.adventure6507 great engine! I had a 3.5 and the 2.7 feels more responsive. Better design than the 3.5 but it does lose on outright power. Just be sure to get 3.55 gears avoid 3.15. If you’re buying used look for a leaking oil pan and under the oil cap for sludge if the previous owner neglected maintenance. I run 0w40 Mobil in mine.
Great video Alex, does this engine have the problematic fuel pump that grenades and takes the fuel system out? Hope not. Still better than that god awful Cybertruck. Just need to win the lottery to afford one. Have a great week.
It does still come with the cp4 fuel pump but Ford honestly does seem to have much better luck than the rest with them. I believe ford has a factory lift pump which really helps these pumps from failing
Welcome to the world of 50k misizes, 75k 1/2 tons, and 100k+ 3/4 and 1 ton diesels. Pre 2020 is long gone because they know people are going to pay for overpriced trucks. To replace my pretty basic Silverado is now 55k vs 43k in 2017.
These truck just are not affordable anymore. I have a 2017 f-250 powerstroke. One owner from CA 58,000k miles. I could justify the price i paid but i am seeing 90k in my area. I am going to drive my truck for as long as this truck last. 😂
Cooling the compressor housing will have a minimal effect. Going to a water cooled intercooler will definitely be less effective than air to air - this is a bad choice that will come back to bite Ford!
You never buy new a truck with a new engine wait awhile and listen for all the talk about problems with this new motor and watch them at higher mileage trucks 100-200 K miles. So let somebody else be their test driver and have to pay for it, so just wait and if you know a hot shot driver will know a lot about these new trucks because they put a ton of miles on their and they don’t have any DPF problems because when go the go for at lest 500 miles a day .
When it comes to the diesel Id be happy with either Chevy or Ford tbh. For RAM I’d have to go for a 3500 HO with Aisin transmission. The SO Cummins with the 68RFE 6 speed just don’t sit well with me
Awesome- same failure fuel pump- cp4.- more stressed motor- v8 stressed out complicated motor- can't even see the turbo- you Ford guys love complicated- failure.
The 2023/2024 SuperDuty looks absolutely horrible ! The addition of the bed & bumper steps looks ridiculous and has ruined the classic body-lines. Without a doubt the 2023/2024 redesign is the worst looking Super Duty to date. @Ford #FORD
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You’re like tfl truck but actually know what you’re talking about! Really enjoy your channel! Keep it up!
TFL is a bunch of magazine reading clowns
And its in English which is nice
I just bought a brand new Ranger and I'm hoping it can be one of these when it grows up.
lol how do you like the ranger ? Heard good things so far
Make sure to water it every day
😂😂😂
I love my 2020 Ford Super Duty. Best truck I’ve ever owned. Immense power, comfortable and the best looking of the full size trucks.
Definitely not best looking.
Worst* looking
I have a 2023 F350 with the 7.3 with tons of extra room under the hood. It amazes me how all those voids are occupied with components when there's a diesel under the hood.
Thanks! Really appreciate the advice that you gave me
Not many if any need the extra torque and HP, just going to burn more diesel with that tune. The SO looks like a very solid engine with a little better solution for exaust treatment. Will definatly consider this truck in 2-3 years when they come on the used market and we can almost afford it. 😂
Very well said sir! Totally agree. If I had 100k burning a hole in my pocket the HO would be fun but I think for most people the SO is going to be a great engine
The cost difference is small when compared to the already large cost of the diesel engine over the gas version. I came out of a 2020 Raptor and bought a 2024 F350 SRW 6.7HO Platnium Tremor. The reason for the change is to tow a 5th Wheel RV that my wife decided we needed. I do absolutely love this truck, it’s fantastic. I wanted something quick since I was giving up the Raptor for this endeavor and it delivers.
I will be keeping this truck for a long time.
@@Captain-Awesome"that my wife decided we needed" hahaha that's a big decision to let your wife make
@@AlejandroDeZan yeah, don’t get me wrong I’m pretty excited about it, but she was definitely the driving force behind it. Personally, I like to save money, but my wife apparently hates money every time when it comes to saving it or spending it, magically money just 💨 it something else besides money. Shoes, Purse, Clothes, a RV… 🫣
The HO Power stroke actually used less fuel than the Duramax and Cummins while smashing them in torque and power.
I picked up one of these trucks to tow an RV, I absolutely love this thing!!
Anything that minimizes fuel dilution of the oil is for sure a big, big improvement for Regen. Great application on this Ford.
exactly, just a much better way to run a regen.
@@GettysGaragewhat are your thoughts on that EGR? With the 9th injector does that change the amount of “sut” that runs back through the engine for a second burn?
I have a 2019 replaced the cp4 with a dcr love the truck and don’t miss the cp4 worry’s !
You have the best engine and truck reviews on the internet! Your commentary is great. FWIW- The background music doesn’t add much and is distracting IMHO. Thanks for the work!!
Great explanation -- this is the best channel on RUclips for this sort of information. Awesome channel!
It is nice to see the Regen process being improved. I had the 1st Gen in a F-450 and when it went into Regen it seemed to lose power and use more fuel.
I’m testing all the brands right now. Today I was able to drive the F250 tremor. It was my favorite so far. I won’t even drive a dodge. The GMC have transmission issues right now. So this might be my new truck. Great video. Lots of power. Good looking truck. Thanks.
No doubt the Tremor is a fantastic truck. But Ford gives bad greedy vibes when they force you to buy the HO 6.7 for the Tremor package! That makes no sense at all!!!
I have the 2023 HO 3.31 axle and it peels out in all the first 4 gears with 37s inch tires on, it’s insane.
Great explanation
Not worth the cost for me, but this video did a great review. Best truck channel!
Thank you Lindsay!
I know you are not a big fan of the 6.0 powerstroke however I have seen 6.4 powerstrokes behind you in some videos. I think it would be interesting for you to do a video on those two considering you are a diesel mechanic and you also are now seeing the improvements of the 6.7
Much appreciate this video.
More than 1050 lb-ft I need to have a bigger truck. Great no-nonsense video.
I have a question about the cp4 pump. Why didn’t they update or fix the issues with this pump so it doesn’t explode metal into the injection system like mine did? They know it’s a problem so why aren’t they addressing the problem. Otherwise it’s a great engine
Great review.
I have never understood putting a PowerStroke in a F250. You barely have any payload left.
My dream truck is a PowerStroke F350. I just went to the Ford site and built it. Amazing how fast you can get up to $90K.
I would love to know the real percentage but in DFW area in TX, a 3/4 ton full on loaded pickup only needs the payload for golf clubs or rifles and a Yeti cooler for more than half of them. There are lots of them traded in 2 and 3 years old and there is not a blemish in the bed and many have the paint untouched in the hitch receiver. Ford, GM and Ram know their market.
Even worse with the Ram 2500s with the Cummins. HD truck with 1000lbs of payload. Lol
I’ve always thought this but my head scratcher was more in line with suspension. The amount of power available way out shines the amount of suspension capacity available. If you’re out doing the gas engine then your out doing the suspension capacity as well
FWIW, my 22 f250 is an extended cab 8’ bed 4x4 on 33” rubbers with a 6.2 gas v8 under the hood. It weighs almost an even 7,000lb with me and some tools inside. That leaves me with 3,000lb of available payload. Not too shabby. The only thing I would do different is the gear ratio. It’s got 3.73…. I run mountains with a trailer on the daily, all low speed stuff but steep. I think the 4.30 gears would make a huge difference where I work the truck
That sticker could cost you 😮
Axle and tire rates??????
Alex, Thanks so much for the great content in your videos.
Greetings Alex.
It's amazing what a few changes with big advertising campaigns can achieve. The truth is that the buyer must know strictly what he requires for loading, towing, extreme adventure or any of the other jobs to which a truck is subjected. And why not?; Get advice from experts who have already owned that truck and learn about their experiences. I think that the best choice and purchasing power is personal and not the seller's. Personally, I really like the FORD power strock SO. THANK YOU very much for sharing your comments and videos 😊 they are ALWAYS A GOOD ANALYSIS. A HUG from CDMX, Mexico.
Thank you! I'd been looking for a technical breakdown of this engine since I'd seen one on a pedestal at an autoshow!
Thank you for your time and review. great job! Keep up the good work.
Just waiting for the Banks Derringer “(after computer tuner) to be released this year. It’s expected to increase the hp to 650 and TQ to 1700 but only on the high output 6.7. And won’t leave a “footprint “ so that Ford can’t find a way to void your warranty.
the stock SO will roast tires, god knows what that kind power will do.
Didn’t know that they now have a 9th injector like the duramax’s have that is a nice upgrade. Also I heard that the HO have inkinel exhaust valves instead of steel like the SO or the older ones. I believe they said they have a bigger oil cooler now too. Another separate note is I was told the large oil capacity for diesel is to trap soot as a quart of oil can only trap so much. Eventually that oil will get to temp it will just take longer. And longer to cool down too.
Great video 🎉
As front mount intercoolers are more efficient, why not mount a larger intercooler behind the grille like (even Ford) many others do. Also, it does not seem to have a negative effect on engine cooling either.
I think there just isn’t enough space. That would be my guess. Because it would be a better set up
There is nothing about an air to air intercooler that is more efficient than an air to water intercooler.
I had no idea that there were so much trickle down to the standard engine. Thanks for pointing all this out. What would you replace the Bosch fuel pump with on the powerstrokes
S&S DCR is the only legit replacement that will not grenade. Also, use a lubricity agent in your fuel to limit the possibility of the cp4 coming apart and damaging your rig
Part of the reason a diesel gets better mileage is the fact the engine can get the work done with less rpm. BMEP is why Cummins says the 6.7 Octane will be better than the competition. I would expect the MPG to be slightly less than the diesel counterpart(less energy dense fuel).
I understand it must be really hard to package these beast and all it associated hardware under the hood . . . but using "cool" (more like warm) engine coolant in an air to water intercooler loop it's FAR from an optimal solution.😒👎💩
Thank you my good man for taking the time to make a video about it and explaining the improvements and differences.
Looking forward to new episodes. 😎👍
SO has had more years under its belt, the HO is just gonna burn more fuel which in turn uses more def and go into regen more. Ive towed 16k with my 22 PS and it has 3:31 read end and it was way more than enough.
Def is irrelevant. You’re supposed to get it deleted.
@@JoshuaOverman Im not deleting mine till its out of warranty. Too much money
Any system not dumping excess fuel into the engine gets my vote. Love to see that ninth injector
Lame!!
I’ve found a new 2023 f250 6.7 at a local dealer and they are looking to get rid of it. It’s marked down significantly. Might be worth upgrading my 21 7.3 gas to it lol
HALLELUJAH -- FINALLY THEY FIGURED OUT THEY NEED AN AFTERTREATMENT DOSER INJECTOR!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Just wish both the std & high output also got the water-cooled turbos!
Sounds like the SO has the makings to be long lasting and a tough motor. Less power going through it, with all the heavier duty upgrades as the HO.
I’m a ford guy and the company I work for put me in a 24 ram 2500 Cummins to drive for a few weeks. I need to buy a towing rig in tbd next few years and I just don’t know 😅 the low end torque of the Cummins is undeniable and with them going to the 8 speed next year it makes for a very attractive package. Then I see this video 💀
I love the 6.7 Cummins, great engine and I think with the 8 speed next year it will be a game changer. But if you get behind the wheel of a PowerStroke you might change your tune. You put your foot down and you hold on.
8 cylinder vs 6 cylinder going for the Cummins still last longer than that ford engine
@@843MudMafia. true but I don’t think within normal pickup truck life expectancy either one will wear out to the point of catastrophic failure
Ram low end torque isn’t even in the same field as a H.O powerstroke.
I just got a 2024 Ram 2500 with the Cummins and there is no denying that engine is awesome. My last 2017 Cummins towed great I can imagine how much better this one with the extra 50lb ft of torque. Did a Hemi 6.4 for a bit and immediately missed the diesel
The standard engine is not using more boost and therefore does not need a lower compression ratio. Lowering the CR on the standard engine will result in less efficiency - which may be a choice so that the HO doesn't look so bad when compared to the standard engine!!
yes sir! on the cummins side of things their SO engine still runs like a 19:1 compression ratio keeping it very efficient.
Also Id like to add that when your over fueling its injecting fuel on the exhaust stroke.
It's so disappointing that the diesel is not standard. It's a $10k + option for the standard and almost 13k for the HO. New vehicle prices are insane across the board. No new vehicle on the market is worth it's MSRP at this point. If you walk off the lot with your new truck and it's immediately worth half what you paid something is wrong. And the reliability has gone down across the board. A ton of systems making them even more difficult to diagnose and repair. And constantly changing the design and parts. Ford is notorious for offering too many options. They need to keep it simple. That's we all want. Simple and works hard for a long time. That's why this 97 powerstroke will be my last vehicle I ever own. I'm 34 and I will NEVER be buying another new vehicle unless they take 50% off MSRP and offer lifetime power train warranty❤
Sad, you will never have a new truck then.
Not Roman from TFL - Andrey!
Dammit!! lol either way both great fellas
Excellent breakdown ! Have they fixed the CP4 issues with the newer version. I’ll consider the Ford next go around. Love my L5P for now!
That is Andre from TFL, not Roman.😊
Interesting piston design. IMO the HO 6.7 is just not necessary. 150 extra TQ is really nothing but bragging rights. I think it would be safe to say that the F450 pickup with SO 6.7 could haul the 40k load about as well as the HO, if Ford sold a config rated as such. What I find quite dumb is making the HO available on an F250. It's such an unnecessary engine for a 3/4-ton.
Do you think the standard engine will last longer ,with the high output upgrades,?
2500 upgrade cost....no brainer. Better cooling, better internals, and more power. Truck is already going to cost allot if your considering 6.7 regular.
I love the upgrade, but as soon as you said CP4 pump it’s not worth the risk.
It's my understanding that they lowered the compression , only on the HO, and the SO remained the same.
Could you review the 5.0 Cummins in the Nissan Titan XD? I know it’s an older truck, but there are a lot of them on the used market. I would be curious to hear your thoughts.
I’ve been poking around town about a 5L Cummins. But I may just make a video without the truck. Because it’s a pretty interesting story/engine.
@@GettysGarage Great! I look forward to the video
Long story short.. they are garbage
I’m interested as well. There are many opinions about those. I’d like to hear why you think they blow up.
The regular engine is already extreme overkill. We don’t even use diesel anymore where I work. we use HD F650 with the 7.3 gas and they pull hard and get the job done.
That's Andre from TFL, not Roman
Roman is so anoying
@@ojbarberena7090 I quit watching because of him and Tommy. If Andre & Nathan ever got their own channel I'd watch that.
Where do I buy a emissions deleted military truck?
It would be nice to hear why my 24 HO 6.7 drinks DPF when towing compared to my 2021 ! Thanks
im quite sure you mean def not dpf😂
The guy you’re pointing at from TFL is Andre not Roman…
The 9th injector was one of the reasons I picked my '18 L5P. That plus no CP4, 3.73 gears, and was more comfortable than the other 2.
It's the best method to run a regen and I like how Duramax has been doing it since like 2011 I think.
Easily one of the Ford trucks of all time
Definitely more Ford than the last Ford
You said it. Definitely a Ford.
Yup. Agreed. That's exactly why I bought a GMC 😊
It’s a Ford!
2011-2016 is the greatest superduty they have made especially the 2015-2016.
I "heard" that the HO 6.7 came with a stronger trans and rear end....is that true?
Ford really needs to make the Tremor option available on the SO 6.7! To require the HO6.7 to get the Tremor package is nothing but GREED!!! COME ON FORD - ARE YOU LISTENING???!!!!
With the insane pricing on new trucks, I will just keep driving my 2007 F350 6.0
@TheGettyAdventures: You mentioned a preference for air-to-air intercooler verses coolant-air intercooler. I am just curious to understand your preference, i.e., is there better cooling with a less dense, but cooler media (air) or is it simplicity of air-to-air verses a coolant exchanger?
@TheGettyAdventures - I watched your video about diesel engines/trucks 2012 and newer and how they are very troublesome specially if they are not driven far every day. Would you recommend the purchase of a older diesel model? Like a 2010 F250 with a diesel engine? Do those have the same issue or are they more reliable?
What would you personally get? Ford 6.7 SO Powerstroke, Duramax with Allison, or Cummins with Aisin?
I actually just watched your cummins video and that sems to be your favorite of the three.
You know what I'm gonna say it. I dont think the 6.7 powerstroke belongs in the F250. I think if you need more power than the 6.2l gas engine option will provide you need a bigger truck to go with your more powerful engine. The gas engine will do everything you would need a F250 to do and if you are regularly towing 15k+ pounds like the F250 with the powerstroke will do you would be much better served with a F350 Dually.
The LZ0 Duramax also uses steel pustons btw....
My only issue is the Over The Air ECU/TCM updates. Big Brother IMHO
I am not sure a more aggressive cam-lobe on a CP4, pushing output volume and taking the pump further up its performance envelope is a good thing when these pumps are famous for grenading catastrophically already...
My thinking exactly, granted ford does seem to have the best luck with these pumps so we'll have to wait and see unfortunately.
@@GettysGarage It seems that there is plenty of Super Duty failures of the CP4 on RUclips which ends up costing huge dollars (>$10K) if the system is no longer under Ford Warranty. A company called S&S makes a fuel pump that replaces the CP4 called their DCS pump. Before they released the pump this year, they also made a kit called a “disaster prevention kit” that was basically some screens for the CP4 fuel lines, which detect metal shavings during a pump failure and shut the pump down almost instantly, thus preventing these metal shavings from migrating into the injector lines, injectors and the fuel return to the tank and tank itself. That said, if someone was going to put a disaster prevention kit on a CP4 from S&S, it would be better for the labor $$ to just replace the pump as the labor to get down to the pump from the top of the motor, removing tons of stuff, isn’t going to be that much different than just replacing the pump. Some have expressed that if the CP4 fails under its warranty period, it’s a Ford issue with regard to cost and that replacing the CP4 with an aftermarket S&S DCS that might void the Ford Warranty. However, there is a law down here in the US which places the burden on the vehicle manufacturer to show that the aftermarket parts or modifications were the cause or contributing factor leading to the failure for any warranty related work an owner would be asking for to do under the provisioned factory warranty from Ford. If it was me, I would spend the dollars and have the CP4 replaced with a DCS before warranty or no warranty lapse, either way. It’s expensive as F-bomb and one would want to make sure the job was done perfectly, e.g., the lines, injectors and related things were buttoned up perfectly. It is a really, really stupid thing that Ford continues to use this pump when their competitors moved away from this disaster of a pump because they were getting killed by the CP4 warranty fixes.
They need to stretch the front end at least a foot to 18 “.
I’m afraid to ask what this truck cost in Canada!
Hey man quick question I got a 2004 gmc 5.3 t and it has around 140 k miles never had an issue allways been reliable , I meet a guy who has a 2013 ram 1500 5.7 express and has around 140k miles he fell I love with my truck and he wants to trade should I trade my ls motor for a 5.7 motor
That just isn't the case. There have been breakdown videos for a while now showing the difference in the internal turbo parts. Similar yes but absolutely not the same water cooling aside.
"basically identical" I believe is the term I used. I have seen that video - great video, there are very minor differences but I would guess the actual performance out of both is extremely similar. Ford even admitted the turbo sizes are the same for whatever that is worth.
I have from several people the HO is getting a little better mileage than standard. Anyone else??
Do the commercial models get all these updates too? I think I saw they’re still rated at 330hp and like 950lb-ft.
I don’t think so. Commercial makes less power for reliability.
ecu's are locked no tunes avail
I don't mean to correct you but that's Andre from TFL not Roman . I used to mix the names up too because Andre is Russian and Roman seems like it would be his name 😂
Swap out the CP4 for a S&S DCR-1 😃
why ford still uses it I don't really know.
Bosch CP4.2 high pressure pump design is still prone to failure. DCR makes a far superior pump that doesn't catastrophically destruct.
The $3000 gets you a warranty on the tune along with a few parts.
Very true, for me I would rather have the warranty if I wanted that much power.
At $80k for an XLT, I'm out. Looks good don't get me wrong, but I think I'll just buy a used truck and build it up to perform that way. Great review though
You and me both sir. I think we may start to see a bit of a price adjustment because these trucks are going to start piling up on dealerships lots.
@TheGettyAdventures It'd be nice to see them be affordable but they'll probably just ask for a bailout. However one can hope!
Nah. They know people are going to pay these inflated prices so there is no reason to drop prices. They'll just produce fewer vehicles in just the living room trim level to keep prices high. Welcome to the world of 100k 3/4 and 1 ton pickup.
I pretend my 2.7L ecoboost is a baby Powerstroke
How do you like your 2.7? Thinking about buying one but I’m not too sure?
@@mr.adventure6507 great engine! I had a 3.5 and the 2.7 feels more responsive. Better design than the 3.5 but it does lose on outright power. Just be sure to get 3.55 gears avoid 3.15. If you’re buying used look for a leaking oil pan and under the oil cap for sludge if the previous owner neglected maintenance. I run 0w40 Mobil in mine.
Great video Alex, does this engine have the problematic fuel pump that grenades and takes the fuel system out? Hope not. Still better than that god awful Cybertruck. Just need to win the lottery to afford one. Have a great week.
It does still come with the cp4 fuel pump but Ford honestly does seem to have much better luck than the rest with them. I believe ford has a factory lift pump which really helps these pumps from failing
TLDR Short answer if It’s got egr, scr ,dpf n def. It’s garbage.
Any news on doing midsize trucks?
Not real trucks lol
@@Trevormaffetone nobody cares
@@777theright88 about midsize suvs
This guy is a diesel guy. Midsize aren't diesel engined.
@@MrTonaluv I know I’m just trying to get 777 riled up I like midsize to
That's Andre from Tfl not Roman
***Emission system showing***
"Get that BS off"
The HO is just mainly good marketing on Ford’s part to generate more revenue. 🤷🏼♂️
i need one no .. Do i want one 😅😂😅😂😂
Can I have one for 50k
For real. I hope people quit buying these overpriced pickups so the prices come down
Same tired of seeing these be so expensive
No. But it would be nice.
Used yes
Welcome to the world of 50k misizes, 75k 1/2 tons, and 100k+ 3/4 and 1 ton diesels. Pre 2020 is long gone because they know people are going to pay for overpriced trucks. To replace my pretty basic Silverado is now 55k vs 43k in 2017.
These truck just are not affordable anymore. I have a 2017 f-250 powerstroke. One owner from CA 58,000k miles. I could justify the price i paid but i am seeing 90k in my area. I am going to drive my truck for as long as this truck last. 😂
Air to air intercooler is less efficient than water to air intercooler!!! Study heat transfer and you'll understand!
Cooling the compressor housing will have a minimal effect. Going to a water cooled intercooler will definitely be less effective than air to air - this is a bad choice that will come back to bite Ford!
air to air is much more effective but I don't think ford had room. this engine is stuffed under the hood lol
You never buy new a truck with a new engine wait awhile and listen for all the talk about problems with this new motor and watch them at higher mileage trucks 100-200 K miles. So let somebody else be their test driver and have to pay for it, so just wait and if you know a hot shot driver will know a lot about these new trucks because they put a ton of miles on their and they don’t have any DPF problems because when go the go for at lest 500 miles a day .
There’s no room for a wrench under the hood
CP4 pump is why I'LL NEVER BUY a Ford AGAIN. I paid $11,247 and 76 cents to repair my 2015 XLT when the CP4 decided to grenade.
Hmmm so..... Ford, Chevy or Ram??
When it comes to the diesel Id be happy with either Chevy or Ford tbh. For RAM I’d have to go for a 3500 HO with Aisin transmission. The SO Cummins with the 68RFE 6 speed just don’t sit well with me
@@GettysGarage NOW for the really hard question.... What about a 2500 GASOLINE engine? Chev, Ford or Ram?
I’d be buying the big boy and deleting it
Diesels are good till the Def system fails. I'll stay with my 6.2l .
Not a big deal. It last long enough then you just delete it or fix it.
No body admits l5p duramax is the best diesel motor for pick up truck
Awesome- same failure fuel pump- cp4.- more stressed motor- v8 stressed out complicated motor- can't even see the turbo- you Ford guys love complicated- failure.
Ford guys love Ford no matter what
The 2023/2024 SuperDuty looks absolutely horrible ! The addition of the bed & bumper steps looks ridiculous and has ruined the classic body-lines. Without a doubt the 2023/2024 redesign is the worst looking Super Duty to date. @Ford #FORD