ORCHID FLASKING: HOW TO GROW ORCHIDS FROM SEEDS A BASIC GUIDE TO GERMINATING ORCHID SEEDS
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- ORCHID FLASKING: HOW TO GROW ORCHIDS FROM SEEDS A BASIC INFORMATION GUIDE TO GERMINATING ORCHID SEEDS
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Oh my goodness ! How do they grow in the wild. Seems like a miracle plant! Orchids are awesome
From a Canadian living in Mexico last 30 yrs....one of the best show and tell videos I have experienced. Thanks ! Too old to begin growing from seeds...lol but I do purchase in of all places Home Depot and have had great success keeping them alive...again lol. Cost per plant here is $14 CDN and I only purchase pots that have 2 and sometime lucky enough to find 3 stems. Generally yield about 16 flowers and grow year after year. Like greenery and only flower I have ever enjoyed is the orchid. Ran into your video via Keiki paste which I am going to try. Again, thanks for great video.
Good thing I got to this video faster than the "Buy It Now" button on Ebay XD
Not only are your videos very educating, but they are also money saving :D
Yea I'm about a month late. I bought like 6 types of seeds, wondered why none of them germinated lol
Glad I found your video. I was debating on buying seeds on ebay. Luckily I did some research but it wasnt until I seen your video I knew I couldn't afford it. Also dont have the space for a clean room. I'll stick to buying and maintaining the plants. Fingers crossed one day I find a Dracula simia for Sale.
The "beaker" you showed is called an Erlenmyer flask. The "desk" she was working at is called a Laminer flow hood that helps to keep sterile conditions. Just an FYI.
Okay. I'm just thinking of growing orchids from seeds so I came to youtube to get an idea of how to germinate them correctly. If they require this much sterilization, how did they EVER grow in the wild? This seems like overkill to me. Could you explain why this process is so necessary?
I just succeeded in pollinating my phaelanopsis and it has seed pods so I'm gonna give it a go, just for the hell of it
Ynse Schaap it worked?? I pollinated two of my phalaenopsis tonight, I’m really curios if someone manage to succeed in growing orchids by seeds at home ( without turning their home in a sterile laboratory)
Wow! I don't mind paying the higher price for an orchid now knowing how complicated the process is. It makes me wonder how they grow wild. Just discovered your channel and subscribed. I have a few orchids I've received for Mother's Day and birthdays and I'm hoping to keep them alive. Thanks for all the videos.
Mega MindyLou your welcome thanks for watching
I really enjoyed your video. I have watched other videos out of other countries. I couldn't understand a word they said, but I loved watching how they do all of that. It is fascinating to me. I was nice being able to under stand yours. I wouldn't try any of it myself. I need to concentrate on taking care of the ones I have. Great job.
Hi Brad. I love your videos. I am new to raising orchids, but I must say, I am totally hooked. I thought about pollinating and raising my own until I did the research. haha. I had wondered if different orchids took different amounts of time to sprout and mature enough for blooming. Thanks for posting such helpful videos.
Thanks Brad! This is a great video in a really logical order for us beginners. it emphasizes the purpose and reasons for each action and each tool. Brad gives lots of fantastic tips and also inserts extra footage of a professional orchid propagation set up which was amazing! Huge thanks!!
It's interesting how we've made this such a sterile process when, in nature, orchids depend on the orchidaceous mycorrhizal fungi microorganisms to germinate. While this method has no doubt worked countless times to produce orchids, I wonder if a plant that, in the wild, depends on microorganisms to properly receive nutrients, is really at its healthiest in this sterile nutrient environment. Pathogens typically take over sterile environments because good microorganisms aren't present to regulate them. Just some thoughts. Thanks for sharing and also thanks for including the vacation video that was interesting as well.
+TheEarthCreature You are correct that in the wild, orchids depend on mycorrhizal fungus to feed the developing plant before it gets its chlorophyll. One out of a thousand make it. In the sterile process, the agar with nutrient solution provides the food. The reason it needs to be sterile is because mold, bacteria and fungus will grow more rapidly than the orchid seedlings in that artificial environment. In this environment, out of 1,000 seeds, perhaps 800 or more would grow. That is the purpose of using this artificial method of propagation. The plants don't seem to suffer, as you can see many awarded plants that were grown in nurseries from seed.
We balk at the complication, but it just shows how difficult it is to recreate nature.
Possibly a dumb question... But all this work... How does the orchid survive in the wild with all the bacteria/fungus?
Thats the thing, they dont, out of the millions of seeds, only very very few survive.
they have some relationships with bacteria and fungus. I believe shitake acts as a mycorrhiza for orchids.
Unlike most seeds that we plant in the garden, orchid seeds don't have endosperm, which is the "meaty part" of seed and contains the nutrients. So in the wild an orchid seed needs to land in a suitable place (say a tree branch) and where the seed lands, there has to be a specific type of fungus, that fungus grows in symbiosis with the orchid seedling. The fungus produces sugars and other nutrients that the orchid uses to grow. Without that good fungus the orchid cant grow.
In the lab, the growers don't use the "good fungus." They put all the sugar and nutrients the seeds need to grow inside the gel media in the flask. So the "good fungus" is not needed.
But, bad fungi and bacteria grow faster than orchid seeds, so that's why everything needs to be sterile in the lab. otherwise the bad fungi and bacteria would take over. This sterility is only needed for grown int he lab, not in the wild.
Adeljean Ho EXCELLENT! You are 100% correct. Thank you for taking the time to explain here.
I live in Costa Rica I have an orchid in my back yard and it got pollenate by a big and the seed pod exploded and now they grew like on the ground or right on trees
Thumbs up & subscribed. Nice video. Just sharing a little info about the hood or steel table where the lady is sterilizing the flask, well, it is a laminar flow cabinet. Actually it contain a fan which blows air through a HEPA filter which cleanse the air of bacteria , pollen, molds etc by 90+% so you can have a germ free environment. Thank you.
Dibyendu Mukharjee
Thank YOU. It certainly didn't look familiar to me, since it's been 3 decades since I've been close to a fume hood in academic pursuit of a science degree, or working towards a Nursing Education, I did work with similar pieces of equipment, and I've heard of laminar flow cabinets, but never seen or worked with one.
Dibyendu Mukharjee thank you
Thank you , I really like this video.
Maria279 awesome thanks for watching!
Thank you for the video!
My wife has a coupla orchids. they're pretty and one had a baby? lol that grew off of one of the stalks and she cut it off and planted it and it already got a 7-8 string of blooms this spring. So I watched how to pollinate them and successfully got 4 pods coming along nicely! But I wonder now if it will do any good! this looks a bit daunting. I will give it a heck of a try though! lol Thanks for the info.
Excellent video Brad. I am considering taking the plunge into flasking. In research mode for now. Thanks for the footage of the Orchid nursery in Mexico. Enjoyed that!
soo neaty cool, keep us posted
+Brads Greenhouse where do you get the agar based gel medium?
What a great video Brad! It is pronounced AH-ger, like before Ah-choo. (Agar). I had no idea what went into producing all these orchids.
Hey boss...perfect timing. well looks like I'm a little late to the party. Anyway just picked up 100 Cypripedium seeds off off of eBay, probably more like 500. I've been Googling all around trying to find out how to sow these things, and here you've had this out for a while. Thanks Brad this helped, this really did. The part you left out is that it takes about 10 years for these things to really get going, at least that's what I understand. probably depends on the species. thanks anyway wish me luck............What I want to know know is how do orchids actually reproduce in nature because it's not sterile out there at all. Thanks again Brad always enjoy your videos. = )
Great video! No wonder why Orchid is too expensive, it takes way more than I thought to grow them
great footage from your trip! Thanks for sharing
Any chance you could do a germinating and basic growing is sarracenia seeds/seedlings?
Thank for sharing, but can you tell how can i find that agar powder?
***** You can find it on ebay. Just search for orchid flasks and the medium comes up. It's a powder that you mix with one liter of water. Be aware that there is a mother flask media and then a replate media which is used after they germinate.
Just a friendly FYI if you don't know yet but the agar that they use to grow the orchids on is pronounced ogre like an ogre you use to drill holes to ice fish. In the medical field that's what we use to grow bacteria on for cultures of strep etc.
THANKS 4 the lesson BRAD
Giovanni Orchids Killer thanks for watching!
I just requested this video about an hour ago on the pollinating video! What a coincidence!
Arib Hassam won't promise that will happen often haha
Hi Brad: Thank you so much for explaining flasking. I understand it takes a very long time from flasking to bloom. Can you share how long it takes? I understand about 3 years. Thanks
croverto depends on the orchid but that seems about right. some are much longer, Cypripediums take 8 years! hence the cost of the plant
I have known any about orchid, thanks you!
Very beautiful garden.
Kinda a little like a fuller Ryan Gosling. Kind face, lovely orchids.
Wow, what an amazing video! Love to see the footage from the laboratory - such a magical place!
One question: Any idea how much seeds to put in one container? Tip of a teaspoon or just a 'sprinkle', or .. ??
It'll be an experiment that will *most likely* (knock on wood) fail the first times, however, it's really fascinating and it would be rewarding to succeed - no need to keep 500 plants though, right?? If they grow, then simply pick how many to keep?? :D
Thanks for the video, Brad! :)
Brad, where and how did you find accomodations in Mexico where they also have an orchid flasking lab?
You're obviously very dedicated, your garden behind you is beautiful, but I wish this video actually showed the step by steps not just you describing it.
very informative thank you
hope you grow rare Waling-waling orchid from Philippines.
Awesome info Brad thanks for sharing you got some really good footage there ;) I think I'll keep with just buying orchids - that looks like way too much work for me ;)
Tamara Previtali dido haha
Interesting video. Thank you for sharing!
Helena Peterson thanks and thanks for watching!
I heard that orchids start out as parasites of fungi. Doesn't sound like they use that though. Very interesting.
Where fid you buy the black agar media???
Thanks for sharing....
Hello BradsG&G, do you know how old for an orchid plant for a pod seed? Thanks for this video, very educative and interesting.
very clear instructions! BTW do i need to be that clean in propagating orchids if i don't plan to clone 10,000 of them?
I never knew sowing orchid seeds were so complicated.
Very interesting stuff. How do orchids survive in the wild without all that sterilization?
I'll take one of the 500! :-)
alan30189 trees they grow o.k. have all the fungi they need..
Jeez..was that the spike that got overtaken by the heavy seed pod?!
I wonder how they manage to pull those seedlings out of flasks without damaging them....
I'm now curious to research how orchids grow in the wild then.....
How are the sprouts getting oxygen in their flasking jars?
In which medium orchid seeds are germinated.(that back color medium on the bottom of the bottle)
Could you use a gelatin based media instead of agar(if you cant find any or want to make your own)?
Wow crazy
I am going to attempt the process from seed. All I'm missing is the agar. I have a sterile lab at my school to work in. What type of agar specifically? Nutrient? Soy?
Typically, most labs use the Murashige and Skoog formulation. There are other formulations such as BM-1, BM-2, and Western's medias. Kevin Western's agar formulations such as W3 are extremely difficult to find in the US nowadays. Kevin Western's formulations of agar are easier to find in Australia. Just go to: www.phytotechlab.com and you'll find your chemicals.
Hi Kaitlyn, any succsss so far?
Hi What kinds of orchids are usually grown for sale at a flower shop. How long does the cultivation of species of orchids from seeds after the first flowering.
Depending on the species of orchid, it could take 3 - 4 years for an orchid to go from seed to flowering plant at the fastest, or it could take 10 - 15 years at the slowest. The slower the grower, the longer the time. One of the orchids I currently own was purchased as a seedling that was probably 2 - 3 years out of flask, and it took me around 8 years to see bloom for the first time. The species name of this orchid is called Laelia superbiens.
Some orchids have seeds that lay dormant for a few years before they germinate. Orchids in the genus Paphiopedilum, Cypripediums, Phragmipedium, and deciduous species of Disa behave this way. This affects the length of time to get from seed to flowering plant too.
How in the world do orchid seeds germinate in the wild? If the seeds can't germinate without human intervention then what's the point of flowering?
In a nut shell, They germinate with the help of a fungi called mycorrhizal fungi. If a orchid seed lands just right and the fungi is present, the seed will germinate.
Where in Mexico is this laboratory?
Brad: What was the name of the orchid nursery in Mexico? And where is it located? I travel in Mexico and love orchids. I do do my own flasking. That's part of the fun for me.
It is part of xcaret park
Daniel Perry I especially liked their design of the grow house with sky lights. That would save a lot of money on electricity and bulb replacements.
+Brads Greenhouse Thanks so much! I'm going to check it out next time I am in Yucatan!
Where can I order bottles of orchids? I want them to be delivered in the Dominican Republic.
I am confused, you said growing from seeds is not for you but in the same time you bought the materials for it, are you going to try it? Also since all that sterile environment, how are they doing it in nature, in wild? because they do propagate for sure, orchids are one of the oldest plants on Earth.
fifi corina good questions, none of the stuff in the video I bought recently, ive had it for years. In the wild an orchid seed need to land just right, on a certain symbiotic fungi called mycorrhizal fungi. the fungi give the little seed a boast on energy in order to start to germinate.
Thank you or the explanation Brad, very smart plants those orchids.
***** Mystery as to how the plants make it in the wild. Must be a matter of natural habitat and sheer numbers of seeds.
exactly!
You don't have to sow orchid seeds to find out that it's a numbers game. All you have to do is buy a flask of seedlings that are ready to come out of the flask, and you will quickly find that out. Just because orchid seeds germinate does not necessarily mean that 100% of the seedlings will survive. At the very worst, none of the 100's of seedlings in a flask will make it. (I've had this happen to me before on more than one occasion.) Sometimes, 20% - 30% of the seedlings from a flask make it. If you end up with 80% - 90% seedling survival rate, consider that a combination of luck or enough of the seedlings were sturdy enough to get you those kinds of yields. It is usually difficult to say how many seedlings will become mature plants just based off of how many seedlings there are in a flask. Growing orchids from seeds to mature plant is a challenge, and even when they are not being grown in the wild, large numbers of orchids do not make it to sexual maturity. It is entirely possible for a flask of approximately 60 seedlings, only 1 seedling will survive to make it to sexual maturity. (Again, had this happen to me before.)
Interesting , how are they going to get the orchids out of those jars ?
They typically use long tweezers to grasp the seedling near the base.
Or we can make sa homemade agar media? If please teach us, thank you
Just one tiny thing. If you germinate a plant, I thought all the babies are going to be slightly different. The same way two-egg twins don't share the exact same gene pool either. Or am I wrong?
I’m gonna just drop them all in the same pot with bark and hope for the best
What happened?
***** Someone ordered some monkey faced orchid seeds for me. I don't know what I did, but I got one to germinate. And I put it in this itty bitty little succulent pot that I had. It is now about 7ish inches long as a little green seedling. Any advice? I am trying to germinate a couple more. But since I don't know what the heck I did the first time, I am not sure I can pull it off. Thanks!
In-cog Nito im afraid those are a scam, it won't be a Dracula orchid, they simply won't germinate under normal conditions and it would take a seedling dracula orchid 2-3 years to reach 7" tall.
***** I have 3 little green plants that germinated from the seeds I got. After the one I tried two more. I placed them in a damp paper towel in a ziploc bag. Took them maybe a week until they sprouted. Thank you for getting back to me. I will send pictures if I find you on Facebook :)
+In-cog Nito
Hi, very interesting what you did : "I placed them in a damp paper towel in a ziploc bag. Took them maybe a week until they sprouted."
Please tell more:
Have you kept this ziploc bag in warm place? Temperature?
And when the seeds were sprouted what have you done then? Have you potted them on top of soil or moss? Coverd?
Please more details.
Hello Vi,
I kept the plastic bag in a warm dark place until the root was a decent size. I had a small pot and placed vermiculite I believe it is called with some small pebble stones and soil making sure it was aerated. Eventually it did die off because my house gets too cold. I will try it again when we move with a few seeds I have left. But yes keep the plastic bag in a dark warm place and after it has a decent sized root you should be able to transfer it to a little pot.
Where can we buy the agar media
Oh, where do you get your agar?
You can purchase agar online, or find a recipe to make your own.
Oh
how many plants from each flask?
Will they grow if they are sowed at the base of mature orchids since the fungus should be around?
No, afraid not. The microrizal fungus is not present with most adult orchids
really? i read losts and they all seem to say microrizal fungus is present on ALL mature orchid roots. ?????????. maybe the thousands that state this including plant scientists are all wrong and your wright ???
tap water I think what he meant is that since most orchids are tissue cultured, most of them wouldn't have the fungus unless they acquire them along the way
The orchids in cultivation may not contain any mycorrhizae or the correct mycorrhizae to germinate orchid seeds. Mycorrhizal fungi is not A fungus, rather, it is A GROUP of fungi that perform symbiosis with plant roots. There are several species of fungi that create symbiotic relationships with plants, and, therefore, these species are designated as mycorrhizal fungi. Orchid mycorrhizal are varied. Not just one fungus will germinates seeds for all the species of orchids. This is the Cliffs Notes version of the science of orchid mycorrhizae. There is enough material about mycorrhizae to keep you busy for a while.
There is no short cut. Sorry about it.
I just bought some monkey faces on amazon for my gma, and based off what you said, I'm assuming these arent the real deal as the seeds are more or less the size of a morning glory seed rather than tiny grains. Should I still try all this or just try and sprout it like a normal seed?
Its some kind of seed, just not orchid. Put it in some soil and see what grows.
Ordered seeds from Wish and never realized how much trouble this will be. Ive decided to eat the cost I paid and buy them already done. to much a problem for me.
Do you sell the seeds
Too difficult don't know how 😊❤
you can sterilize everything with hydrogen peroxide, correct? would that be safer considering that it converts to water, rather than running the risk of burning the seeds with bleach? thanks brad!!! I'll be emailing you at the beginning of the month btw :)
Amber Van Zitamore
that's a very good point. I never heard of anyone using bleach with seeds as it is a corrosive material. h3o seems to be safer.
It is a 10% bleach solution. 9 parts water, 1 part bleach, NOT full strength bleach.
Hydrogen peroxide will not cut it. I've tried.
Do you really get 500 of the same plant - And you just keep the best largest of the un flasked so you cut way down on what you keep.. When buying seedlings - the range of differences can be huge even on selfing. The fun is wait til they bloom out to see what comes up.
Aww I just bought an orchids seeds online. 😔
Oof. Sorry. Hopefully you didn't get scammed.
There are terristrial orchids whose tubers you can buy (for example, the ophyrys speculum/vernixia or habenaria varieties) but you have to find reputable sellers (kusamono gardens has some selection). But these are not epiphytes like phalaenopsis, and you would need to research how to grow them.
Same here, I bought the seeds online already 😔
I bought some on-line as well, but they germinated for me in vermiculite (in a seed starting tray). Maybe I was just lucky. The seller had good ratings, so hoping they aren't seeds for some other plant!
@@madhen6995 have they turned out to be orchids? I know that orchids like Phalaenopsis produce dust-like seeds in their pods. They will not germinate unless in fully sterile conditions with the right medium.
@@sirene7465 No, it turns out that they were not. :( In her defense, the seller gave me a full refund when I sent her pics of the plants I had and what the plants from seed were supposed to look like. (They looked nothing alike.)
Where in Mexico?
I dont seem to be able to buy orchid flasks in the UK. Every time I run a google search for flasks it returns seedlings. I just want empty flasks to use myself.
the flasks shown in the video are erlenmeyer flasks. you can get them at any supplier of lab equipment (or at amazon). you can use also other containers, like test tubes, or even jam jars.
for more information on how-to see www.orchideenvermehrung.at/english/
trubux thank you, much appreciated!
trubux Hey, if I use this medium will it be sufficient for seed germination.
www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/p1056?lang=en®ion=GB
trubux
Data sheet and recipe
www.sigmaaldrich.com/content/dam/sigma-aldrich/docs/Sigma/Datasheet/4/p1056dat.pdf
orchideenvermehrung ederer use the P-1056 medium for replating (although i'm quite certain that it will also work for seeds).
this is the medium they use for seed germination:
www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/p6668?lang=de®ion=AT
www.sigmaaldrich.com/content/dam/sigma-aldrich/docs/Sigma/Datasheet/5/p6668dat.pdf
there are also other sellers, with similar or slightly different mediums:
www.duchefa-biochemie.com/product/details/number/O0262/name/orchimax-including-activated-charcoal
note that you might have to add a gelling agent (agar) yourself.
I'm starting to think that you are a professor in horticulture!
Jackie Fu haha , naa
If it takes all that sterilization, then how in the world do orchids grow from seed in nature?
How do orchids grow in the wild? Think they can be grown without sterilization. We have no idea what were doing when it comes to growing orchids just a human manipulated version of an orchid crazy.
Omg..... what is all this work just for the plant that grows in the wild on its own and coecsist with any kind of bacteria and fungus?! More work than in human care laboratories.....
Laura Totally!
if you image google orchid seeds you get a lot of pictures of seed pods like the one you're showing us in this video but some of the pictures (curiously mostly from websites that sell seeds) there are pictures of "orchid seeds" that look just like little peppercorns. are those not real orchid seeds or do some seeds look like that?
+Coco McPebbles Those are fake seeds, orchid seeds are like dust. Impossible to count out " 20 orchid seeds". And they would never grow for the average person even if they were real.
Coco McPebbles
*it's not a beaker, that's an erlenmeyer flask
To complicated in nature birds just poop those seeds out on top of tree's where the orchid grows as well as other plants, so i really dont see why should over complicate things.
how dose mycorrhiza fungi find its way in sterilized orchid seed flasks ? everything i read so far stated this fungi is needed for seed germination. i like to know how its introduced to flasks ???. and i think this theory is totally wrong.
tap water They don't. The way tissue culture works is that it provides the nutrients for the orchids which would otherwise come from the fungi
So, this is how professional orchid growers germinate orchids. In the wild, they would need the fungi. This fungi isn't just for food, it's also for inocculation. But every orchid you've ever bought, guaranteed, was germinated and grown in this method. I highly doubt you have ever bought a "wild caught" orchid.
you make everything sound too complicated,it makes me not even try to grow them.i am just gonna dump the seeds using seed starting mix put it into my grow tent with nice led lights and let nature take care of the rest.thank you. lol . thanks for the tip of not using direct light though.
My High Desert Garden Orchids are not a novice plant. I'd highly suggest growing something else.
I'm sure you've found out by now, what you did with your orchid seeds was fruitless. You're not alone on this. Many orchid hobbyists have tried to sow orchid seeds the "lazy person's way", thinking that all this science is just a bunch of complicated mumbo jumbo and ended up failing miserably before they understood that there's a reason why laboratory procedures were utilized to sow orchids from seed. Brad made it complicated because, for most orchids, sowing them from seed is a laboratory procedure with lots of pitfalls. There are only very few orchids that can have their seeds germinate without using laboratory procedures. But once they germinate, it will be a challenge to get them to grow from what is called a protocorm to what is recognizable as an orchid seedling. And I will say right now, those orchids that can be germinated without laboratory procedures are not for newbies who've never grown an orchid before. Even for experienced growers, some of these orchids can be very tough to grow. You see, Brad only showed you what were recognizable as orchid seedlings. What he didn't get to show people in this video was the protocorm stage of the orchid. Once an orchid germinates from the seed, it looks like a tiny pea with hairlike filaments that act as roots called a protocorm. The protocorm eventually develops into what looks like a seedling. At the protocorm stage, many orchids will not make it before they grow into a recognizable seedling.
Yessss and Amen!!!
Beyond everything else said here... It takes years to go from sowing seeds to having a blooming plant. The orchids you buy in bloom at the store are usually 4 years old or older.
This method takes a lot of patience and understanding of the plant itself.
Such hubris
I bought seeds in China but does not functioning.
I thought you was British? your from Canada lol
I'd gladly take the pollinated seed pods off your hands. lol
thats an orchid ............
long bro
None of this is sterile. The microbes are greatly reduced but it’s not sterile and you said sterile A LOT lol
You're talking too much than giving instructions directly
While we’re doling out criticism. You’re rude.
This was not helpfull at all!
akarki who hurt you?
What did you expect? To just stick them in dirt and keep them moist?