MINI AMP SHOOTOUT: SLO Mini vs Friedman BE Mini vs Bogner Ecstacy Mini vs Diezel VH Micro

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  • Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024

Комментарии • 183

  • @nazarf1884
    @nazarf1884 2 года назад +25

    I agree..soldano has more bite than the 3 other mini amps..boost with od,more umphhh!

  • @StuartBridson
    @StuartBridson 2 года назад +42

    What a bloody brilliant demo - thank you! No over the top playing and widdly widdly solos, just the chugs which is all that matters. 💥

  • @immortalgram
    @immortalgram 2 года назад +35

    1. Soldano
    2. Diezel
    3. Bogner
    4. Friedman
    So my favs are the backwords of how you demoed them.
    Waiting for the Revv model.

    • @eole123456789
      @eole123456789 Год назад

      same

    • @robphillips8351
      @robphillips8351 3 месяца назад +1

      Same here as well

    • @JohnnyRaven69
      @JohnnyRaven69 2 месяца назад

      Can you use these with soundcard using IRs? And also without the real cabinet?

  • @ramonw9430
    @ramonw9430 2 года назад +28

    The Soldano is consistently the best in all of the videos I've seen so far. Great video. New subscriber here.

  • @guitardave
    @guitardave 2 года назад +11

    So we can finally put to bed those negative comments I keep reading about how these mini amps must “all sound the same because they’re made by the same company”. Excellent demo!

  • @arcticfloof3122
    @arcticfloof3122 Год назад +22

    FRIEDMAN BE-MINI CHUG TEST 3:43 BOGNER ECSTACY MINI CHUG TEST 6:11 DIEZEL VH MICRO CHUG TEST 9:13 SOLDANO MINI CHUG TEST 12:12

    • @gtil8445
      @gtil8445 10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks !

  • @randolphcarlisle2976
    @randolphcarlisle2976 2 года назад +8

    I can't wait to see your channel take off. This is the first video of yours I've seen, and I was surpised by your subscriber count; I thought you'd have way more. Really impressive/professional level video editing and composition. Great job.

  • @dobbs123456789
    @dobbs123456789 2 года назад +15

    Dude your production quality is amazing. Keep grinding. This channel is great!

  • @spazzcorpse
    @spazzcorpse 2 года назад +15

    Bought the Bogner, Soldano, and finally the Diezel and I liked the Bogner, then I got the Soldano and LOVED it and last I got the Diezel and I think that one is the the ultimate Thrash Metal home practice amp. The Diezel takes the Ibanez TS9 pedal best of the 3 and when engaged, sounds like Rammstein type tone mixed with thrash to my ears.

    • @florian_thrash
      @florian_thrash 10 месяцев назад

      So would you say the Diezel is the best but you need a Tubescreamer? Would you say it would also work in a band? Is it loud enough?

    • @spazzcorpse
      @spazzcorpse 10 месяцев назад

      @florian_thrash I wouldn't try to play it with a thrash metal band with a drummer. Not loud enough. Good for practice though. They sound pretty good but honestly, I haven't used mine in over a year and sold them all except the Soldano.

  • @OfJaggedRisings
    @OfJaggedRisings 8 месяцев назад +6

    The Soldano actually sounds like real amp. Impressive.

  • @painm00n
    @painm00n 2 года назад +5

    What a time to be alive! A never tough i say "let's buy a fcking soldano, it's so cheap..." XD And sounds like heaven to my ears!

  • @j.gonzalez9939
    @j.gonzalez9939 4 месяца назад +2

    Great manner in which you tested...NOISE FLOOR LEVEL, ALL KNOBS ON NEUTRAL, ETC!!!
    Listen up testers...this is HOW IT'S DONE!!!

  • @eb1237
    @eb1237 2 года назад +6

    Best comparison of these I've seen, thanks for this! To my ears...
    1. Diezel
    2. Friedman
    3. Bogner
    4. Soldano
    The Soldano was a little piercing in this particular video

  • @davidecortinovis1758
    @davidecortinovis1758 2 года назад +12

    Has anyone put any of the minis up against any of the Joyo Bantamp. Wonder if the tube in the Bantamp makes a difference compared to all solid state. Perhaps you can do a video.

  • @SashaGarcia
    @SashaGarcia 2 года назад +6

    Bogner sounded the best, in my opinion, but I would play the crap out all 4 amps. Great video, mate, hope your channel gets more attention!

  • @laverdadbuscador
    @laverdadbuscador 2 года назад +12

    I prefer the Diezel tone. For me its just that perfect saturation and gain, but still somehow manages to have clarity on more subtle chords.

    • @BkBk-gy6vr
      @BkBk-gy6vr Год назад +1

      I prefer a low watt real Tube amp.

    • @kennyh5083
      @kennyh5083 Год назад +3

      @@BkBk-gy6vr I used to be a full blown "tube snob" but even I have to admit that solid state amps like these are so close sometimes it's like splitting hairs!
      I know I have over 40 vintage tube amps of all different brands, from the 50's-60's-70's (and a few old and newer solid state amps including the Bogner and one 100w head from SubZero, a Marshall Artist (ss pre/tube pwr-amp) and many vintage Lead 12's) that when recorded properly can easily match any of them in tube tone! and no-one can tell the difference! The best way is to run a good solid state preamp into a tube power amp, and when tuned you cannot tell that it is not all tube! Sometimes ya just have to use yer ears and accept what they tell you!

  • @Chris-Rife
    @Chris-Rife 10 месяцев назад +1

    Wow, bro these are 4 mini's I am currently looking at! This is my first time getting into cabs and heads and I wanted to start small. You have them all 4 here? That's worth a sub, what a champ! Thanks.

  • @jarrettmcgowan564
    @jarrettmcgowan564 2 года назад +85

    I haven't even watched the whole video but I already know that beard is more impressive than any of those amps

  • @ollieguitarman
    @ollieguitarman 2 года назад +11

    Sodano will be the best in the mix, because of the most bite. Bite is essentiell...

  • @georgeh.5480
    @georgeh.5480 2 года назад +5

    thank you for putting this together, I Was thinking about buying two Friedman mini's running them together and blending the two for 60 watts of dual head power! MINI STACK ENGAGE!!!!!

    • @garyburginjr1366
      @garyburginjr1366 Год назад

      Fun idea, definitely.
      For that price though, you could really approach some real deal flagship amplifier options, though.
      But hey, the only thing that matters with guitar gear is whether or not it makes you happy. That's what I believe, anyways

  • @giorgioash5608
    @giorgioash5608 2 года назад +12

    Soldano is the best

  • @andreasasector1906
    @andreasasector1906 2 года назад +5

    Very nice overwiev. But they sounds completely different on other cabs with other guitars. For me the Diezel make sense because you have seven knobs for the adjustment wich is better as a switch in my opinion.

  • @scottbabb4485
    @scottbabb4485 2 года назад +3

    The top end on the Soldano is much higher than I expected it to be. At least when using similar settings.

  • @eyedunno8462
    @eyedunno8462 Год назад +1

    The fact that I keep changing my mind on which is my favorite is a testament to how great these are and how some trends are genuinely beneficial for the consumer market. We are absolutely spoiled.

  • @stratrat57
    @stratrat57 2 года назад +3

    My hand was "forced"! Found the Soldano on CL for $180 US......couldn't let that go.
    I love Soldano but could never afford the "real-deal"....and I just wanted a practice amp to noodle in my apartment. I plug it into a Marshall 1960A cab with 75's.
    Fits the bill for me.

  • @justinlonghofer
    @justinlonghofer Год назад +2

    Nice review brother. Building my dream studio atm. I think I'll take all of them along with their big brother counterparts. Except the VH4...I'll settle with the VH2 to have that Diesel sound. Really stoked to play the Bogner XTC 3534! Also...Subscribed...Thank for putting in the work for the video. People take it for granted...having made a lot of music, videos, and invested tons of money myself...respect

  • @StephGV2
    @StephGV2 2 года назад +2

    Buy any one of them, get a sim pedal and use it as a power amp using the FX loop to get the others :)

  • @gameon2000
    @gameon2000 11 месяцев назад +2

    Just what I was looking for! 😎👍 big props!

  • @cesarsoto6836
    @cesarsoto6836 10 месяцев назад +1

    Best demo of all the minis. Great job

  • @mmc5040
    @mmc5040 2 года назад +2

    Love all four, play through them all the time.

  • @Rando515
    @Rando515 6 месяцев назад

    Stumbled on to this after a year. great demo. I don't have the Diezel mini but I have the others. I prefer the Soldano, but the other 2 are great too. I also like experimenting with the preamp out to a power in on tube amps. I need to get that Diezel, but I'll probably wait due to GAS.

  • @andrew_prometheus
    @andrew_prometheus Год назад +1

    Thank you for reviewing these like this bro, exactly what I was hoping to learn and see here

  • @aschule5684
    @aschule5684 2 года назад +2

    I think they all sound pretty amazing but surprisingly the amp I thought I would like the most kinda came in last to my ears, the "Soldano" the other 3 I thought were pretty equal...... Great little amps 👍

  • @MadMagicPaul
    @MadMagicPaul 8 месяцев назад

    Fantastic demo! Thank you. I have subbed.

  • @billtownsend
    @billtownsend Год назад

    Just found your channel. Love it! The name is great, too!

  • @bustercampfiresongs
    @bustercampfiresongs 2 года назад +1

    I had the Slo 30 for a few days but couldn't get That Chug going. So I'm surprised I think I like it best here. Or Diezel.

  • @geoffwhitemusic
    @geoffwhitemusic Год назад

    Thanks for the great demo. You sold me on the Diezel. Just got it today, and I think I made the right choice. Love it!

  • @scottdunn2178
    @scottdunn2178 2 года назад +25

    Bogner for the win; active tone controls, more versatile, best cleans of the 4, and does the scooped-mids thing better. Disappointed in the Soldano.

    • @ivorharden
      @ivorharden 2 года назад +2

      Watch Rabea Soldano mini video. It's sounds better.

    • @jiujitsu25
      @jiujitsu25 Год назад +1

      I own the Soldano mini, and I love the thing. For the price it's simply amazing. It is shockingly loud, and does a good job of capturing the Soldano tone. I own a Revv G20, and still find myself playing the SLO mini quite frequently because it sounds great.

    • @scottdunn2178
      @scottdunn2178 Год назад +4

      @@jiujitsu25 I got the Bogner Mini last September and love it. The Variac switch really does make it sound like an old Marshall. Only wish it had a clean channel.

    • @VanjaSpirin
      @VanjaSpirin Год назад

      You have no taste at all.

    • @Deatg-ek8rf
      @Deatg-ek8rf 10 месяцев назад +1

      The Solando is definitely better than it appears here.

  • @VinnyPedulla
    @VinnyPedulla 2 года назад +2

    Great shoot out! I actually bought the BE along with the Soldano and returned the Friedman BE because I thought the volume output was much lower than the Soldano. Did you find that was the case with these amps? Thinking that my BE mini was defective… I like it and may purchase it again…

    • @rhythmNbeard
      @rhythmNbeard  2 года назад +1

      Didnt really find that to be the case, they all seem very similar volume wise.

  • @robphillips8351
    @robphillips8351 3 месяца назад

    Have you checked out the Laney lionheart mini head yet? Pretty promising tones.

  • @terryhanley8579
    @terryhanley8579 Год назад

    Dude, you're a BEAST...subscribed ! Those little amps rock !! ......so 4 amps into 1 cab. What switcher are you using ?

    • @rhythmNbeard
      @rhythmNbeard  Год назад

      No switcher, I was manually plugging in the speaker cable into each head as I was playing through them 😅

    • @terryhanley8579
      @terryhanley8579 Год назад

      You sure did ! I should pay closer attention next time. LOL

  • @markolivares6943
    @markolivares6943 Год назад +1

    Own the Diezel and I can honestly say this thing can rip and sounds better than my Randall Diavlo if you can believe it. I have it connected to a Harley Benton 1x12 with a Chinese made Celestion 30 and sounds killer

    • @MICKEYISLOWD
      @MICKEYISLOWD Год назад +1

      The new Vintage 30s are supposed to sound perfect now. They finally got it right. Worth a try:)

  • @stevengoodman3498
    @stevengoodman3498 Год назад

    Great demo and awesome beard! Thanks brother.😊

  • @BazonBlades
    @BazonBlades 2 года назад +4

    I am definitely in the minority, but I prefered the Diezel. Not only the tone, but also the more basic controls set up.

  • @tengilshadow4869
    @tengilshadow4869 2 года назад +5

    I liked the Friedman best. The Soldano would be my last choice. It was a bit harsh to my ears.

  • @GregoryCroney
    @GregoryCroney Месяц назад

    I have the joyo zombie love the tone i get out of it and it takes pedals welll but im going with the diezel in this shoot out 😊

  • @Joey.Darkwoods-Studio
    @Joey.Darkwoods-Studio Год назад

    Great comparison dude!! The only one I didn't really like was the Bogner... Best one IMO, Diezel and Friedman.

  • @renevanderbruggen731
    @renevanderbruggen731 2 года назад +1

    I want them all - they all have their tonal differences. Important : they’re so small even my wife will love them.

  • @douglascollman7341
    @douglascollman7341 Год назад

    Wats all de hub bub Bub🤓🙋🏼‍♂️just sayin, Sup . Hi Brother, could you recommend a single cab and 12 quality speaker to play this through that isn’t three times more expensive then the Soldano head , thanks 👍🏼

  • @bigwomp932
    @bigwomp932 Год назад

    As expected, that SLO mini is just out of control. Amazing what they've crammed into such a small head.

  • @ThunderFalcon333
    @ThunderFalcon333 2 года назад +1

    cool demo I have the Soldano but I like them all lol. next up for me is the PRS MT 15

    • @jamesmalamute7874
      @jamesmalamute7874 Год назад

      I had the Tremonti 15 I should Never had Sold it. That amp is in a class on its own given its all tube. Don't let that 15 watt designation fool you. Its much louder, more like a 30 watt amp. The only beef I had with the MT 15 was that sweet volume spot. Its either too low, or too LOUD for solo practice. When with a Band, watch out. Great Amp that MT 15

  • @v.k.7463
    @v.k.7463 10 месяцев назад

    Just from listening to your awesome demos:
    The Friedman has a very 3-dimensional tone, like complex; better for a solo artist or rhythm player.
    The Bogner has a more baseball-bat-crack, 2-D sound, which would mix will with a full band. The switches make pretty dramatic changes for a lot of versatility.
    The Diezel sounds versatile with minimal features, like for rhythm or lead players.
    The Soldano has the most satisfying tone.
    If I was a better player, the Friedman would be a great choice for me to hog up a lot of sonic space. The Soldano seems like it would sound good enough to make my playing sound better.

  • @damasterkarej
    @damasterkarej Год назад

    Hi, two questions:
    1. Which one of them ís closest to JCM800 style / amount of gain?
    2. Two of them inn stereo on 112 cabs - gíg level volume?

  • @kaybhee6
    @kaybhee6 2 месяца назад +1

    which spkr...

  • @andrew_prometheus
    @andrew_prometheus Год назад +1

    Wait these are all solid state?

  • @gph2193
    @gph2193 Год назад

    Best energy levels of any reviewer on Ytube.

  • @spiceyweasel
    @spiceyweasel 7 месяцев назад

    I bought one of the Soldano minis. Haven’t been impressed with it. Waiting on a Soldano SLO pedal to see if it might make a difference. If not, I will send it packing.

    • @rhythmNbeard
      @rhythmNbeard  7 месяцев назад

      Let us know if you like the pedal!
      And what about the amp that didn’t impress you

    • @shawnmatthews5118
      @shawnmatthews5118 7 месяцев назад

      The pedal is awesome. I use it with my Fender Roc Pro 1000. The Soldano mini is frightfully noisy and sounds bad no matter how it’s set up. Maybe I got a bad one, who knows? Thinking about sending it back if possible.

  • @rflessati
    @rflessati 2 года назад +1

    Great video!. Soldano and Friedman for me.

  • @FEVERDREAM1983
    @FEVERDREAM1983 8 месяцев назад

    Thank you for making a bad ass guitar Gear channel that gets down to fucking business and doesn't amount to 90% self important rambling 5% corporate sponsor fick riding ND maybe if we are lucky 5% actually tweaking and running through the sounds of the gear. Earned my sun immediately bro and if you have affiliate links, I'll buy through them everything. Bro I know I sound a bit hopped up but you have no idea how maddening it has been just to get a decent demo of a piece of gear I am interested in. I have severe ADHD and I followed your videos all the way through without.....ooooh look a squirrel.

  • @kennyh5083
    @kennyh5083 Год назад

    You ROCK dude! I hope one day to play as good as you!

  • @m7alan7johnson7
    @m7alan7johnson7 Год назад

    Kuddos to the Tee shirt Man! Great video so far!

  • @djlehara
    @djlehara 2 месяца назад

    I LOVE MY BOGNER MINI INTO A 12" ORANGE CABINET. CRAZY LOUD, CRAZY TONES.

  • @teriakamoto
    @teriakamoto 2 года назад

    New Viewer, Subscribed as i liked your Playing.Thank You for the quick Demo.Best-

  • @robphillips8351
    @robphillips8351 3 месяца назад

    Thanks for making this video 👍👍

  • @danielravindarlatchmannen9640
    @danielravindarlatchmannen9640 2 года назад +2

    Hi! Dave. Tq for sharing. Very resourceful 🤟
    👀 you in the next episode.

  • @bradleyard4195
    @bradleyard4195 Год назад +1

    I want that Soldano head!!!

  • @Vazaqin
    @Vazaqin 2 года назад +2

    what tuning you using?

    • @rhythmNbeard
      @rhythmNbeard  2 года назад

      E Standard

    • @desolateguitarist
      @desolateguitarist Год назад

      ​@@rhythmNbeardthey get loud enough for full band?

    • @rhythmNbeard
      @rhythmNbeard  Год назад

      @@desolateguitarist If you’re going through a 4x12 you’ll be good

  • @Cultifact
    @Cultifact Год назад

    great demo mate, you actually made me order the V7X mic haha

    • @rhythmNbeard
      @rhythmNbeard  Год назад

      Cheers mate….just know that if you’re too used to the SM57, the V7X has more low end making it excellent for break up and clean tones. For high gain tones you gotta carefully position the mic.

    • @Cultifact
      @Cultifact Год назад

      @@rhythmNbeard Good to know - this one is pretty affordable and it sounds as an interesting addition to my hardware

  • @DeXx_The_Reaper
    @DeXx_The_Reaper Год назад +1

    Soldano>Bogner=Diezel
    Friedman->Trash
    I gotta say tho they all sound very solid statey, for that price I would go for a tube amp.

  • @stephenhall1639
    @stephenhall1639 Год назад

    Great Review man.

  • @gabsguitarvlog
    @gabsguitarvlog 2 года назад

    cool video comparison, thanks!

  • @claytonicForce
    @claytonicForce 2 года назад

    Great video !

  • @PK22-b7v
    @PK22-b7v 2 года назад

    That’s a really great cab … my next cab

  • @ΕυάγγελοςΜαχας-τ3π

    just imagine what if fender ,vox, marshall and mesa boogie decide to make their most famous amp heads 20 watt solid state...

    • @jaxonv2098
      @jaxonv2098 Год назад +1

      For mesa boogie check out the joyo zombie xl. It's a hybrid for about $180 and is made to sound like the mb

    • @ΕυάγγελοςΜαχας-τ3π
      @ΕυάγγελοςΜαχας-τ3π Год назад

      @@jaxonv2098 the only downside is the eq

    • @jaxonv2098
      @jaxonv2098 Год назад

      Should add one to the FX loop anyway

  • @u.s.a.198
    @u.s.a.198 2 года назад

    Ty! Great video...

  • @cebjr
    @cebjr 8 месяцев назад

    I liked the Friedman sound best🤘

  • @PhilipCockram
    @PhilipCockram 2 года назад +1

    Where's the Marshall ?

    • @jaxonv2098
      @jaxonv2098 Год назад

      The Marshall is a tube

    • @Deatg-ek8rf
      @Deatg-ek8rf 10 месяцев назад +1

      The Marshall sounds better.

  • @charlesrichardclifton4647
    @charlesrichardclifton4647 2 года назад +1

    "Let's CHUG!!!"

  • @nickrooney6206
    @nickrooney6206 2 года назад

    Are any one of these capable of being in a Jam room with a drummer ?? Running through an old Marshall cab with 4 12’s ??

    • @rhythmNbeard
      @rhythmNbeard  2 года назад

      Yes they definitely can keep up with a drummer through a 4x12

  • @atithesnail
    @atithesnail Год назад

    All of them sounded excellent and nasty. I suspect there's something about the guitar, the cab and your hands.

  • @jumpbullmorcdoc6604
    @jumpbullmorcdoc6604 5 месяцев назад

    Can Direct to Audio interface?

    • @rhythmNbeard
      @rhythmNbeard  5 месяцев назад

      Unfortunately no. There is no cab sim out or headphones out.

  • @ro307805
    @ro307805 8 месяцев назад

    Nice!! It wouldn't take much to get the Friedman in Randy Rhoads territory

  • @elephantfootrisers
    @elephantfootrisers 2 года назад

    good demo!

  • @rifatahmed6214
    @rifatahmed6214 Год назад

    Instant sub

  • @jamesmalamute7874
    @jamesmalamute7874 Год назад

    I think the Soldano will actually work well with Sweet Home Alabama

  • @gph2193
    @gph2193 Год назад +2

    The BE OD pedal sounds better than that little amp.

  • @gasaddict
    @gasaddict 2 года назад +10

    I've owned them all and sold them all. Friedman was my favorite but they just don't do it for me.

    • @duderdudeedoo1984
      @duderdudeedoo1984 2 года назад +3

      What was it about them in general that didn’t work for you? Thanks!

    • @Ron4president09
      @Ron4president09 2 года назад +3

      They dont cut through mix well and they lack bottom end

    • @InGrindWeCrust2010
      @InGrindWeCrust2010 Год назад

      @@Ron4president09 What kinds of cabs did you run them through? I'm trying to decide whether to buy one or stick to my Orange Dark Terror with pedals from these companies.

    • @Ron4president09
      @Ron4president09 Год назад

      @@InGrindWeCrust2010 orange ppc412 and ppc212 both with v30 and tried marshall lead 1960 with g12t75

    • @Ron4president09
      @Ron4president09 Год назад +1

      @@InGrindWeCrust2010 Cab will make a slight difference but its the lack of output and cheesy class d circuitry. These are simply toys not to be taken seriously. Its a way to gouge the beginner market for a few hundred bux, nobody whos owns and knows good amps will even waste their time. There is no replacement for displacement.

  • @ennspek
    @ennspek 2 года назад

    Nice vid. Subbed.

  • @MICKEYISLOWD
    @MICKEYISLOWD Год назад

    I wish you had played a guitar that everyone is familiar with. Maybe a Strat/Les Paul and an Ibanez for the correct era.
    All four are much better than I anticipated because earlier mini amp models never sounded like their bigger brothers...Marshall comes to mind here.
    I would be very happy with any however having to choose one pushes me towards the Bogner just for the added switching features.
    Is there a FX loop to run with my TC G major? A pristine FX is needed for tones this good.

  • @steffenwolf3200
    @steffenwolf3200 2 года назад

    I liked the other channel name better. But thank you for the video.

  • @rangerdoc1029
    @rangerdoc1029 2 года назад +6

    Bogner sounded the best to me. At least in this shootout.

    • @n34z3r
      @n34z3r 2 года назад

      Bogner, to me, had the quietest when comparing all 4 when he turned up the volume (the quiet test). Liked all 4 so can't decide. Soldano did seem pretty good as well as the Bogner. Friedman and Diezel seemed good, too.
      Thanks for the vid and time to check them out for us!! Continued success on your path

  • @CodenameCuervo
    @CodenameCuervo 2 года назад +2

    💀✌

  • @rogalee14
    @rogalee14 2 года назад

    Soldano tore my head off the most. Maybe your fingers liked it best.

  • @VanjaSpirin
    @VanjaSpirin Год назад

    Soldano is clearly the best. Diesel is also good :)

  • @andrew_prometheus
    @andrew_prometheus Год назад

    I fw you, subbed ‼️🫡

  • @Alfredo78666
    @Alfredo78666 2 года назад

    Heloooooo, Nooois Floooo!

  • @ennspek
    @ennspek 2 года назад

    These giggable?

  • @Lieutenant_Dude
    @Lieutenant_Dude Год назад

    The Friedman is so woofy. It's a bit much imo.

  • @kennyh5083
    @kennyh5083 Год назад

    They all sound great, but my favs are the Bogner ecstasy for sweet low gain Plexi tones and the Solodano SLO for high gain EVH tones! I ain't into the tasteless chuga chuga garbage!

  • @damrismaradensiahaan5469
    @damrismaradensiahaan5469 11 месяцев назад

    Soldano still the best