FRIEDMAN BE MINI VS DIEZEL VH MICRO
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Just a quick test trying these two small assholes and comparing them. The Friedman BE mini and the Diezel VH Micro.
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Love all ur videos big brother ola , I bought all the guitar and amps and effects from ur reviews keep rocking stay metal forever ! From Bangkok , looking for ur new models from solar dealer in Thailand !
Hi
I believe they're not actually mini versions of the large amps but rather amp versions of their major drive pedals (BE-OD Deluxe channel or Dirty Shirley and Diezel VH4 Pedal)
Perfectly said my friend
that's correct. they are the OD pedals with a small solid state power amp in front of them.
@@ryinrumery2124 you mean behind them the pedal would be a preamp and then you would need a power amp to drive a speaker
Which are pedal versions of the preamp in the bigger amps,so they are mini versions just solid state
@@tommilitello198 still disagreed :) because the technology used is quite different, also sounds different than the real amps
I've got the Diezel model. It's ridiculous how good it sounds. Lots of fun.
Joyo zombie II gang checking in here
could you tell me the model name or number please?
The Joyo heads are super dope. Got the Firebrand and the Zombie, theyre both amazing
I got one not expecting much. but dam it does sound really good.
How awesome for young people today to have these as an option. In my day you could choose Peavey or Crate and everything was 100 lbs.
Were so Spoilt these days!
And sounded like ass! Would've been awesome to have this 20 years ago.
@@PaulEubanks I had a peavey Rage 158 that I carried around to practices. I couldn't figure out how to get it to sound good (play better) and then I was onto a Crate 212. Just as terrible (playing).
@@jakkhazzard Oh yeah, I think everyone of a certain age has used the solid state, open-back Crate 2x12 combo. I'm just glad there's not much recorded music out there where they were used. :D
@@PaulEubanks Glenn Fricker did a show on one of those old Crate heads...Those with a Metal Zone or a Peavey Bandit were, believe it or not used by a lot of those Scandinavian Death Metal Bands at Midnight Sun Studio's...Everything eventually finds a home.
I have the Bogner. And I love it. Definitely small and only 30w, the tone is fantastic. I’m not going to knock the upper gain stages for being muddy. With an overdrive you won’t need to max out the gain anyway. The quality of the distortion though, is lovely🥰
They actually sound good for little amps I think I’ll get one for home instead of plugging in my big amp
Love your videos man! I played many years ago with a an old Crate G1500 solid state amp. I stopped playing years ago, but after watching many of your videos, I dusted off the guitars, and the 34 YEAR OLD AMP! Lol - The amp is SHIT, so I just ordered an EVH 5150 iii, 50 watt with cabinet! Thanks Ola for inspiring me to get my shit together and play again! Thanks for all you do for the community and I truly love your show! Ordered a coffee with Ola shirt too 🤣🤘🏻🔥
Good choice of amp. Enjoy!
I'm laughing so hard at this comment. Back when I was playing in bands in the mid naughts, the G1500 was like, THE amp I'd see at every shitty home studio + Ibanez TB100H and Laney GH120. We'd get offered some "studio time" and the guy would be like "don't worry about gear bro we got everything you need" and you show up to this dude's house and it's like ... a mackie console with radio shack mics and the fuckin' CRATE G1500.
Also what an upgrade. the 5150III slays.
@@mogwix thanks man! Yea and now mine has shorts in the volume knobs, shorts in the EQ knobs and sounds WAY fucked lol. Worse than a typical G1500 haha. But in like 1987 this thing was cool AF lol. It’s time to permanently retire it lmao
My EVH arrives Friday and I can’t WAIT!
Isn't it nice when you're older and can afford better gear? I didn't play for years until a I played with a friends Dual Rectifier. Now I play all the time with a tiny terror Jim Root. Better amps make a world of difference
@@grumpygrandpagaming1975 yea and I can’t wait to fire this up tomorrow!
To this day that gold solar has been my favorite and those two mini amps have that cool oversaturated growl .. perfect combo
They both sound good. It seems to me the Friedman sounds a bit better on its own than the Diezel on its own. But with the TS i found the Diezel slightly better. Great video
Thanks Ola from NY, USA. I ordered the Diezel VH mini. I played a real VH4 and was very impressed the the thick tone and gain !! My Charvel Hendrik is going to pair up very nice w/the mini. . .plenty loud enough at home.
Did you like it finally?
We need an ultimate test with joyo zombie, friedman mini, diezel mini, h&k spirit of metal and orange dark mini.
Spirit of rock sounds better and more "Metal" compared to the Spirit of Metal, that one is just a fuzzy mess, i own both and never use the Metal one..
I've got those plus the Bogner. Don't be cheap, just do it. It's fun.
Aw man, I wish these were two channel. Really like the sounds you got out of em!
So it's a mini series. Clever Ola. Very clever
Friedman has the edge!
“No condom” 😂 killed me there
They sound quite similar; almost as if the BE is equivalent to turning up the mids on the Diezel (or vice versa). They do use the same platform so maybe not super shocking, but it’s a shame considering how different the tube heads are
Even the tube heads imo would be closer to what people think at times.
@Varity Topic That's exactly right, and here's why. If you push a tube with gain until it distorts, the distortion is even order. This type of distortion typically sounds good. When you push a transistor to distort, it creates odd order distortion. This is not pleasing to the ear at all. Solid state has to emulate what tubes do naturally, and its a big challenge.
@REVOLUTION TV They don't sound the same, and they don't feel the same to play. I took part in some blind testing over the last 6 months, or so. Everyone was able to tell which amps were real tubes 100%. I'm sure modeling amps will keep getting better, but for now, I'll stick with tubes.
@@AT-wl9yq that even and odd order distortion thing is a total myth. bias fluctuations and topology have way more to do with anything.
@@charleswisconsin9196
You're leaving some important information out of your post.
"that even and odd order distortion thing is a total myth."
That's a guess. If I asked you to show me some credible references so I could look into the matter myself, you can't do that.
"bias fluctuations and topology have way more to do with anything."
Again, I have no idea where you would get that from. If your bias if fluctuating, you need to turn it off and have it repaired.
I was really surprised by the Friedman and how much it chugged!!
1:52 You don't really need 30 watts for just home use. In my opinion.
Yeah I don’t really understand the purpose of these. Too quiet for band, too loud for home. Plus they don’t sound that good lol. I see a purpose for small tube heads but not these.
Thanks Ola for avoiding me to get any of these things :)
those little heads would be cool for running a stereo rig at home
My Thoughts as well ; )
Why are you called Fappin Vegan?
Oooh seeing this makes me wanna feed them both from an abY switch and power each side with a stereo 412 cab? Blended 🤘🏽
Do NOT do that
@@HAHb-zc2dp your right we really need a third 1/2 stack to act as the center channel! WDW fo life!
Everything sounds good through the Mesa 4 x 12.
0:11 that all I needed to hear. Tack Ola!
@3:45 I think what you're trying to say is as you boost the wattage, the amp looses headroom and becomes wonky in the low end due to the extra gain. Low wattage amps sound great with lower volume levels, I've had problems using a 45 watt solid state amp with a drummer. Next time in that scenario, I'm going to mic the cab and turn that up so I get the amp's best possible tone going in. Skal, Ola!! \m/
Friedman always has really pleasant distortion
they're both very interesting circuits, the Diezel uses less gain stages at higher gain, but technically uses a softer zener distortion, while on the other hand the Friedman uses more stages at less gain with regular diodes. there are also different frequency cuts along the way. it just really goes to show topology can really make a difference.
I was looking at these yesterday so this video is perfect. Thanks!
I've tried a Friedman and don't mind it. Never tried a Deizel, but I hear more fuzz from it in your test.
Honestly love that Diezel. Holy smokes
The way you say "mee-knee" makes me chuckle...it's almost as good as how you say "firdy" instead of "thirty". Never change, Ola. 😆
This is a classic demo of why circuit design is the signature of any amp. These being transistor driven with similar circuits as the OG's the differences are small across the models as digital components are more consistent in their tolerances per part. The analogue parts in larger amps will have greater variance to the same parts let alone different parts unit to unit, which is what gives more character with the same signal in the larger amps and why transistors all sound samey as they're too consistent and have too few of the flaws that tubes have that make the character that musicians love. Great video Ola and keep chugging more videos like these out!
transistors aren't digital, they're as analog as tubes and tape machines
The Bogner Mini is the best of the 3 in my humble opinion. I own the Diesel and the Bogner Mini and love them both but the Bogner is the bomb!
I’ve been working on buying the 4 mini amps (Diezel, Bogner, Friedman, Soldano) and putting them in one full size head box with individual speaker outs for the 4x12
Like shrek and onions my tone needs Layers
I picked up the Diezel mini. It's a nice amp. I run an EQ through the fx loop and it chugs hard. BUT ... it doesn't chug much harder than my cheapo $35 Tantrum distortion pedal running in the front of a cheapo Acoustic 120H head. :)
Since these are solid state, why not make these with a 200 watt class d? With the size of the powerstage 170, it shouldn't a problem to put more juice in these to push a cab.
The TS9 was my first overdrive and is still my favorite to this day! Dial back your amp's gain a lot and use a bit of drive from the TS9 with the level also dialed back some to control the noise. It's just got such a good sounding drive while a lot of other even more expensive overdrive's gain introduce so many artifacts(blips/ringing/static) I've noticed
Another cool thing about the TS9 is that it doesn't saw your low end in half!!
Consider checking out the Plumes from EQD. It’s not a copy of a TS but more so inspired by it with 3 different forms of clipping. I love mine, waaaaay more versatile than a TS9.
@@Mini1124 I will absolutely check it out! I have lots of different overdrives but not a lot of the more obscure one's.
Also, keep in mind that simplicity is sometimes better than being versatile/having more options. For example, a pedal with ONE function might be better at it's job than say a SD Palladium gain stage where the boost function on that thing is completely useless!! Just a thought. I would love to try the Plumes
actually sawing the low end in half is almost exactly what it does, and why it's useful. with the tone maxed it's nothing more than a 720hz high pass.
The Fact That You Said "SH!T" TWICE, Says it All! Thanks for the Top Notch Review.
Wonder how these would be if ran through the effects loop of a 100w head…..
this vid shows pretty impressive how important a good cab is :D
Adding a post 5 band in front and a parametric in the effects loop would help to isolate the muddy frequencies.... maybe.. if not you'd have the pedals when you get a good tube amp.
I think the Friedman is a little more resonant than the Diezel or it's just the latter that has a very effective treble pot, you can hear as soon as you turned it up it added so many treble frequencies.
I like the BE waaaaaaay better on its own, but if I were putting one into a mix, it'd be the Diezel.
How about this for a test, the HV-4 pedal through your Seymour Duncan Power stage vs the HV4 Mini amp. Then the BEOD into the power stage vs the BE mini?
^this
Find and compare, yes! What are the options to get a Dumble amp sound/clone/pedal? Maybe do a video identifying those and sample a few. R.I.P Howard Dumble.
With the Overdrive they are a total different beast! 🤘🏼
Gotta just love playing around with Microamps 😀
Diezel - Mesa (some rectifier there), Friedman - Marshall (JCM 800). Greetings.
Once again, unprocessed, uncompressed, Bola Englund!
Diezel deep 4 presence 6 bass7 treble 9 middle 5 best settings
These would be great as combo amps, but still with speaker out jacks - or an hardwired internal speaker with an extra speaker out jack that killed the internal speaker.
What a time to be alive \m/
Pretty cool amps.
Can't help but think old guy/new guy offerings.
Being old (64), i like the Friedman. TS woke it up.
Hey Ola, i think you're absolutely right. But in my opinion the Bogner Version ist the one of the three wich sounds a little more versatile. You can see and hear it in Rabea Massads Video ;)
Lets get some more members on here!!!!!!
The same size, weight, price, sounds quite similar. They also have bogner mini, I'm pretty sure it's sounds nice too.
Thank you for yet another entertaining video, Ola!
Will you review the Friedman's Pink Taco and the Brown Eye?
Honestly was struggling to hear either of them chug until you got to the Diezel near the end....
I know what I'd buy.
I would like to see some really budget rig video. I'm using Hotone Siva Boogie (only clean ch 5W) and used MXR Fullbore metal in FX loop. It's powering Harley Benton Cab with V30 in it (cab is imo most important for tone). It's yet the best rig I have used and would recommend it to every bedroom/apartment player that have to be concern about being too loud.
Best part of Hotone Siva Boogie is that with 5W I have FX loop so I can use any preamp like pedal to get the tone that I like.
Sounds good dude! Both sound amazing!
Awesome! Compare it to the VH4 Pedal as well! :)
Love the channel. Thanks Ola
The soldano mini sounds very good
Lemme know when we get a JCM900 micro.
Ok it sounds great, especially the Friedman but we have to remember it's played on an oversized Mesa, hence the great sound ^^
Nice guitar center wall!!
Flubby is the word your looking for sir.
Edit - You can actually hear that the friedman has something going on around the 5k-8k range while the Diezel hangs out around 1.5k-4k.
It would be cool if they made 100w or 120w solid state versions of these.
they'll have to bring back the analog SS market with the shortage and increasing cost of Tubes
What do you think about Nolly's new manson guitar?
Awesome video, ola. 😎🤘🏻🎸 both amps sound good, but if I had to choose, I would go with diezel amp.
if they had a clean channel aswell i'd totally buy one.
Any chance you will do another stereo amps sort of deal but with these? Maybe a small series kind of thing? Love the vid btw!
This is the video I've been waiting for!
Now please do the Bogner Ecstacy Mini...... and compare it. 😉
Totally agree Ola,Grainy yes...Friedman wins by just a little.👍🤘
Thanks for the comparison, I am actually buying a BE after this
get a dsl1
An HM-2 into either one would be sick!
You could play a mandolin through an HM2 and it would sound sick
well, some might disagree, but it certainly would get you that tone if that's what you're into. i like me a good hm2 so don't get me wrong.
Those little critters are FKN AWESOME Sounding up to a certain point... But i agree... 30watts of transistor is worth WAY less than 15 watts of tube. Honestky, anyone looking at these, should look at the Joyo Mjolnir, the Marshal DSL-1 or 5, etc... For just a little more they can get A LOT more amp.
For that matter... the Joyo (among other brands) hybrid amps sound great for less money (1/2 of what these cost). I have the Orange Micro Terror and Dark Terror and paid about $150/ea. new. They both push 1/2 of a 4x12 stereo cab (carvin with eminence) and they sound GREAT.
Just thinking out side of the box....
that's actually quite inside the box.
Would have been interesting to throw in a DSL1 for comparison to a small sized tube amp. These are more expensive than the DSL1.
The Diezel is more character in the tone than the Friedman may I suggest a lil Rat pedal to push those lil amps.. 😜🤘
Friedman, Diesel, Bognor, Soldano, same amp in a different box? Sounds the same to me.
Suggestion: 6505 MH vs MT 15 !
I was expecting to prefer the Friedman, but damn that Diezel sounds fucking tasty!
Orange Supercrush pls!
Prefer the Diezel in this video, nice comparison. Considering I am already using the Orange Pedal Baby 100 (powering HX stomp) as my pedal platform though, I would just grab the VH4 pedal.
Fair and balanced as usual. What is the noise gate you have in the loop?
Not bad for $300. And you don't have to worry about tubes.
i wonder how they'd sound through a Diezel Front loaded cab with K100 speakers. 🤔
Ola are you going to demo the Bogner model? Waiting on your take on it
Im just surprised Old didnt play 'im broken' in this video..
your studio just looks like guitar center now
Ola will you be testing the new PreSonus AudioBox Go audio interface?
They sound very similar to me.
Deizel is a little flubby on the bottom end. Friedman sounds ok. It's just not the same as the amps they are mimicking. But,...if I was gonna buy one it would be the Friedman. I think they are like $349. Not a great price for 30watts solid state. I'd almost rather get a couple nice pedals or save for the lunchbox versions
Modern amp is superb..even the small size,is good...technology have come so far in amps industry...nowadays,you dont need to buy bigger amp,more expensive amp to get nive sounding amp..
This is the first time in a long time where I haven't really liked any of the tones. Both of them sound super muddy. Even with the TS they didn't sound nearly as aggressive as I thought they would 😭
@Varity Topic with the right amp, anything is possible; it's all about what kind of preamp transistor you're using. i'd recommend an amp with a jfet preamp if you want the same feel with drive pedals. just remember that solid state clean channels (for example, orange) are meant to be as clean as possible, so they dont take drive pedals very well.
@@nebulyte3651 No its not. Varity Topic is right. There's things that tubes do that solid state can't. The way a tube distorts when pushed with gain sounds completely different from the way a transistor sounds.
@@AT-wl9yq depends on the topology. opamps can never distort like a tube, yes. the bias and input sensitivity is too perfect. Jfets operate exactly like a tube. you just have to get the biases and clipping characteristics right. if power Jfets existed running at 300 or so volts they would be functionally identical to tubes. problem is Jfets run at 9v most of the time.
The tightness is "spongey" .. ?
You need to do the Bogner ecstasy mini!
Will it be ditto for the Soldano mini???
They even look almost identical if you remove the logos .. However, I think they both sounded surprisingly good
Muddy Fizz, I like it