Well if you think faker early solo que career and whole world worlds career there is nobody same page with him😂 like they are asking who else should be on hall of fame than faker i cant think anyone
As great as Apdo/Dopa is, even he admits he wouldnt have been a great pro because he had some degree of OCD. SO he wouldnt have been able to focus 100% on stage.
Doesn't matter. I think that's him, just being humble. If he knew he wouldn't perform great, then he wouldn't had offered Riot a huge amount of money to uplift his ban. He also said something about, how he'd only be master's level without his chair, which honestly wouldn't even be true.
No lmao. He's just another solo q monster which we have seen plenty of times. Pros still outranks them. Y'all just wants DOPA to be with faker's level because he is mysterious
Apdo and Faker is an alternate worlds of any online competitive games. Where Apdo is the True King in the Solo/Casual Gameplay While Faker is the King in the Competitive/Organized Gameplay Where Casual and Professional Scene are seperate entities in such the Devs have to balance each other out by the Metas, Champions, Items, Runes, and Game knowledge as the time goes on. Being the Yin and the Yang In itself: Where Dopa (Yin) is the Embodiment of the Hellish Grind with the Darkside of League; Where Faker (Yang) is the embodiment of the Success Grind towards Victory and the Light of League:
Apdo bodies faker each time they enter solo qs. Faker is not special anymore - he's getting outperformed in tournaments now, which is why T1 is struggling against Korean teams recently.
if its just "player" in general then its obviously dopa, and if its a comparison between who has the better organized play then its obviously faker. dopa is a one man army while faker is a general both are vastly different
@@michaelka3071 Dopa is better organized than Faker. Everybody studied or is studying Dopa's wave management. There's already been a known caster, who talked about Dopa's performance overall compared to Faker. The only thing Faker has - that Dopa doesn't, is tournament/pro experience. But saying Dopa is not playing organized is an outright lie, when he is in fact playing very organized. Dopa has Faker-level performance on all roles, and is playing all roles at a Challenger-level in the Super Server.
@@Dragonichh if you actually read my comment instead of focusing meatriding your goat you would notice that i am talking about faker leading his team to making plays, between the two faker is a much better in leading a team while dopa is better at carrying a team, the two is vastly different. the major reason why dopa isnt fit in pro play is due to his mentality of doing everything himself, he is so used in managing everything that his teammates would feel like monkeys needing to be carried also the major reason why he will never make it as a pro. you might not know this but pro teams require synergy that is powered by the teams equality and understanding, if someone like dopa enters a team there would be a huge imbalance in skills and that team would crumble you dont need a phd to see that happening
Honestly, best in solo queue doesn't necessarily mean he would do well on the professional scene. A lot of pros do well in solo queue and then tank quite badly on the professional scene. Yeah, Faker was known to be Godly in solo queue hence scouted for SKT, but the difference is, Faker isn't toxic, so the team atmosphere improves, which makes the team much better, and not everyone finds the same success. In fact, no one has found the same success professionally after doing well in solo queue, so I think that speaks volumes. Team Dark was also quite horrific, and I was watching that game against SSW live. If he really chose players that were "as good as him" for the team, then he wouldn't have been that good professionally, because Team Dark was terrible. Yeah, he wasn't there, but if the criteria for the members is as reported, then it's a reflection of him. Also, I really question his foresight for the game when his foresight in real life is subpar at best. He stuck with ELO boosting for "more monetary gains." That is simply short-sighted. Look at what "the best player in League of Legends" has now? A building named after him. Last time I checked, there's no Dopa Tower/Apdo Tower. Given this kind of visionary, or lack of, even if he was successful professionally, he likely would've went to China after winning one Worlds, like many did, whereas Faker was loyal and hard grounded to one region, and in fact, one team, to have this level of success and fame. Korea is very patriotic. Faker has this level of fame in Korea because he stuck with Korea through thick and thin, that's why he's a literal celebrity in Korea. Finally, achieving what Faker did, he was selected for the Asian Games, and through that, he won Gold, which now exempts him from military service (even though he might have been exempt due to dropping out in education) but now with the Gold medal, he is considered to have served the country and doesn't need to be conscripted for sure unless he chooses to. Again, just short-sighted, and now he's in military, so no streaming or ELO boosting for revenue, while Faker is raking in cash from advertisements to rent. Not to toot Faker's horn, but Faker visionary of the game and scene is clearly far superior than anyone else's given his choices that led to his success, so is Dopa/Apdo really equal or better? I don't think so.
Yeah, the bigger part of being Pro is keep your emotion under control while on big stage. It's really really hard to perform at your best in front of so many people. How many of us is just straight up freeze in front of class of 100 people? And we saw people making fun of Faker meditating before a match or his lack of emotion, but that's the result of warrior mental hardening over a span of decade.
hey let's be real here, with his personality, Elo-boosting was the right way to make money, done, that's it! as he matured he realized he's unsuitable to go pro, so he wouldn't make anything other than tarnish his reputation in pro league. mechanically and game knowledge, can't say that he's worse than Faker. I'm faker fanboy since 2013 but his foresight for himself is, IMO, right. streamer, elo booster, making as much as he could. the same case as to someone like Marin with a difficult personality, but happen to be in the right team and win world once, still a goat but coudn't last long.
@@mukamuka0 Definitely another factor. I watched the TFT Vegas Open and a lot of the players were commenting how playing in front of a live crowd vs over a stream, despite knowing people are watching, is a lot different in atmosphere and pressure.
It’s crazy that I can’t recall ever hearing of him. It’s possible I had and just forgot about it long ago. But yeah, I know all about Faker and had never heard of Dopa
@@dumbassdude8372 if hes "kiba" how come that in season 5-7 noone could duplicate his soloq archivements like Deft, Imp, Rookie, and Showmaker tried? but only after years could copy ones, when he stopped playing that often and went into the military service?
7:40 he borrowed the account created using his brothers ID(social security number) and he took advantage of a legal loophole where deleting an account results (include banned) in the destruction of all registered information after one year. using this flaw he able to create a new account using his own ID. for now ban record has changed that cannot erased even use this method
Let's be honest, Apdo is way above Faker in terms of skill. Not only does Apdo play ALL 5 ROLES on this skill level, he has ranked #1 on 3 different servers at the same time and at one point ranked #1-#10 on korean server all by himself with smurf accounts.
It is fascinating reading all these piss low comments about Dopa, like they actually know him. "He doesnt got the mental for being pro", "Hes just a Solo Q player and would barely being a substitute midlaner." You dont know anything about him. All we know is, that this man got an insane knowledge and understanding of the game. Nothing more is needed in a competitive professional game. The unreal thing was how he could transfer it into Solo Q, where every variable is being unknown. Because there is always a different player in your team. Better or worse. Not in competitive play. Where every player and team knows one self and their strategies. Imagine Dopa would be a midlaner and shotcaller with 4 professional players. And yes, he was also mechanically gifted. In lower games he played stomp champs like katarina and fizz with ease and many more. Could swap to toplane if he needed to and play things like fiora. And then, in a certain higher elo he will switch to Twisted fate and something like Orianna, where as Macroplay dominates the game. Haters gonna hate. But he was one of the greatest and talented players known to play League of legends! 👊
Dopa was indeed a great player. That's no doubt. But Faker knowledge of the game was far superior than Dopa because Faker was a creator. He define the meta of mid lane role back in the day. But Dopa manages to innovate Faker's creation thats why he remains on top while Faker was sinking. Unfortunately, Faker catches up and manages to innovate. And not just that, his mentallity changes from a solo player to a team player. Now what differs both Dopa and Faker was how well Faker can manages to be insync with different type of pro team while Dopa only plays for himself still while innovating. So even if Dopa plays for Pro, i really doubt he'll win any trophies, maybe domestic title. Look at Chovy, he was never successful because he only plays for himself despite innovating certain Faker techniques. And when he realizes that he has to play for the team, it was too late, because T1 was too big of a wall for him to defeat.
Saying Chovy isn’t successful is weird. What do you guys define as success? Winning msi/worlds. Chovy just won lck 3 times back to back. There are certain traits of faker that Chovy doesn’t have but saying he isn’t successful as an example is off.
I think it was a little premature to say Chovy is not successful but the truth is international titles will always mean more since it is against the best of the best amongst all leagues like the LPL. And until Chovy can prove his mettle internationally there will always be people who will never put him above Faker for that reason not that I think anyone can be put above Faker at this point especially if he wins one or two more international title. To me he is already the GOAT of LOL.
@@oreoyo5639 winning titles domestically and back to back isn't something to brag about especially when the meta doesn't change drastically in just a span of 2 years. If any, Caps should be the best example of being seconds best in terms of being consistent and map awareness, team playing just like Faker. The only difference between Caps and Faker is that there are good teammates and a mindset of Asian players. Chovy? Nah. He has never won any domestic titles in his rookie year. He was never changing until just recently but still fails. I really think what Chovy is lacking was the ability to see how he would lose the game in order for him to win. All he thinks about was how he will convert his mechanical talent into a win.
actually Dopa defined and created a lot of like he called "concepts" to how to manipulate small game lead and formed the way solo Q methods that got a gold standard in high elo play by today, extremly ahead of his time. The concept of never dying to a gank while wasting enemy time is one thing Dopa foreknew an seen and defined on faker before any analyist could do, that shows how Dopa read Faker like a book mulitple times and according to his interview after Rank 1 China Superserver said, he goes 50/50 with him.
Why even compare bro. The other has never been on a big stage worthy of attention. They got into a stage and got banned and never played. The only common ground these players have is they both play LOL. One is 4 time world champion, one is a booster and a soloque enjoyer. These are both different worlds.
Yup all the "couldve" doesnt mean shit. I couldve become a president and that has a same value of sentiment as Dopa being on a level of god tier pro player
Id say if would similar to Magifelix, Chovy or Jensen those midlaners also were constantly rank 1 everytime with crazy winrates but still ok -good mids, not like out of this world type
12:13 only a maniac would do such thing back in the days yet his prediction was right he do to faker what faker do to everybody faker is 10 steps ahead of everybody yet he is 1 step ahead of faker he is the reason i main TF before when i was still playing LOL the macro, the micro, and damn even you could call it nano details of how he plays🔥
I’m a die hard T1 fan boy… (T-Con ra khỏi hang!!), but I’d be damn if I say Faker would win against Dopa in a solo game… Faker would win the game 9/10 times with his team, but loses to Dopa in lane 9/10 times too… Dopa is god tier but he is a loner and solo… In anime terms… if Faker is the main character, the hero that assembles a team of friends by his side… then Dopa is the Maou, the Demon King, The Evil God that can easily wipe any of them off the map solo but defeated when the heroes uses the power of teamwork and friendship…
I think even he doesn’t compete the big leagues at least we already seen his potential in the game itself compared to Motorsports some is not as lucky as Apdo/Dopa is.
Why is Dopa/Apdo even considered a rival to Faker? It ain't even close. Dude is a god in Solo Q ain't even kidding. But like competitive is just a different breed of battlefield. Like, look at Poby who subbed in for Faker. Bro is actually a god in Solo Q that he got recruited by T1 and he looked like an absolute joke as Faker's replacement going 1-7 that tournament. This dude ain't even close to today's best players and he sure as hell ain't better than Faker or at least Chovy who is considered the second best midlaner in the world. We need to stop judging people based on their Solo Q performance because if we do, do we put Tarzaned in the best junglers in the world? When Peanut, Oner, Canyon, Kanavi exists? He was rank one four times and he got so bored of the game that he don't even bother climbing anymore. Dopa/Apdo is great, I'd say even a god in the game. But you can't compare competitive League to Solo Q. It's a different game.
It just shows how good Faker adapts. He was just a sole Rank 1 SoloQ player as well, but with ideas no one knew. Same for today, he used tactics that are the gold standards right now. The comparison often made is because what Faker did to Pro-Play, Dopa did to SoloQ For example Faker formed Mid lane saga and meta where you never die to jungle ganks and try to waste enemy time, and go more on a 2v2 with your jungler way than for example going solo. Dopa invented a lot of wave managmenets and concepts techniques in solo Q what a lot of coaches now sell for a extreme high price and other solo q players like Agurin adapt. No other solo Q player formed solo q like Dopa same as no other Pro formed Pro Player like Faker. its not about inividual level of power, where they booth exceed, its more on the revolutionary side of the game
Online vs lan is different beast for those who have played knows just because you are good at online doesn't mean you can perform under the lights and noise fyi. He is definitely good but comparing him to faker is kinda stupid no offence
Yo that was hella messed up of that girl to do, actually nuked his career, at least the pro path of it. This guys actually a tragic victim even if they were toxic as hell
Apdo would not last in one team for too long, he'd be more like a substitute mid laner at best. If competitive league of legends allowed "mercenary" solo q players Apdos client list would be stacked since hes literally playing for teams to get in the pro scene.
at the end of the day, lol is a 5v5 game. as good as apdo is, faker has insame team presence, which is what actually wins t1 games in the competitive scene. for context, t1 once played without faker after faker joined, and they were coordinating as well as a bunch of headless chickens. for most of their games, faker doesn't have the biggest number in anything. what he does have is insane control. he makes the game move as he wants.
Eh i think soloq is a nice comparison as a stat of mechanical skills 1v1 but I don't see how that makes you a GOAT given LOL is ultimately a team sport. Professional LOL and soloq is way different. Just coz you are the best at soloq doesn't mean you would immediately translate to winning in a professional league.
Never understood the hype around dopa. Hes just a good player in soloq. There have been several soloq gods. But with dopa people somehow think hes the goat. Its just soloq. Not professional play
First of all, Faker was one of those "Random SoloQ hero" back in the day. Second, Dopa/APDO has been improving the meta for the last 10 seasons. Third, he's not like the others "SoloQ gods", he actually have a good macro that could, in theory, apply to pro-play (Unlike Magifelix and many others) and a long etc.
@@YOSSARIAN313 He is very good at understanding the game and had all those streams teaching people about it. If he ever decided to, he could definitely be a coach.
@@synckar6380 definitely. He can be a great coach it shows how he understands the game. He might be the real kryptonite to T1 or any other team with his mind
lmao solo q literally doesnt matter for pros. Chovy has beaten faker uncountable times in solo q. Faker has beaten Chovy uncountable times in solo q. NA pros have beaten faker. Faker has beaten NA pros in solo q. Numerous LCK pros have beaten Dopa uncountable times. It doesnt fucking matter. No one cares about Dopa anymore because he is just a really good solo q player, like many others.
Chovy also beaten Faker many times. I would argue Cuzz is a better SoloQ player than Dopa these days but then again SoloQ doesn't matter if you don't have trophies to back it up, at least Cuzz has multiples.
Very cool player in LOL, thanks for the awesome video about him. By the way, on our platform, you can take on cool challenges and create moments that are no less awesome 💪
technically he's only good at decision making and laning. but this is a 5v5 game, and although his main role is midlaner, he cannot stick 5 people to an unite block
I mean, I get that in internet time any substantial amount of time being gone might as well be forever, especially for people who stream, but he'll only be gone for 2 years at most. Of course, a game can change a lot in 2 years, but I'd imagine he'll at least try to go back to LoL once he's done.
I swear the people in the community talk about these two like they are the sukuna and gojo of league
for real hahhaa
Well if you think faker early solo que career and whole world worlds career there is nobody same page with him😂 like they are asking who else should be on hall of fame than faker i cant think anyone
As great as Apdo/Dopa is, even he admits he wouldnt have been a great pro because he had some degree of OCD. SO he wouldnt have been able to focus 100% on stage.
Nah. I would disagree. Just a bitch that ruined his career.
Doesn't matter. I think that's him, just being humble. If he knew he wouldn't perform great, then he wouldn't had offered Riot a huge amount of money to uplift his ban.
He also said something about, how he'd only be master's level without his chair, which honestly wouldn't even be true.
This guy is one of those edgy loner anime lancers that's arguably just as powerful as the main character.
Explicitly lancer
And arguably he's even better. And I'm a die hard, i mean die hard faker and T1 fan since 2015 . Dopa is like that shadow . The white ranger
@@animes3205 no he's not lmao. solo q is meaningless.
No lmao. He's just another solo q monster which we have seen plenty of times. Pros still outranks them. Y'all just wants DOPA to be with faker's level because he is mysterious
ngga is sasuke@@animes3205
Apdo and Faker is an alternate worlds of any online competitive games.
Where Apdo is the True King in the Solo/Casual Gameplay
While Faker is the King in the Competitive/Organized Gameplay
Where Casual and Professional Scene are seperate entities in such the Devs have to balance each other out by the Metas, Champions, Items, Runes, and Game knowledge as the time goes on.
Being the Yin and the Yang In itself:
Where Dopa (Yin) is the Embodiment of the Hellish Grind with the Darkside of League;
Where Faker (Yang) is the embodiment of the Success Grind towards Victory and the Light of League:
Well said
Apdo bodies faker each time they enter solo qs. Faker is not special anymore - he's getting outperformed in tournaments now, which is why T1 is struggling against Korean teams recently.
@@Dragonichh T1 is also bruised and battered with all those tournaments and finals they played.
@@Dragonichhthis aged well
Riot should humor people and put these two on stage officially. It's been years anyway.
Apdo (압도) = Overwhelm
A fitting name
Sounds like a true Demon King.
@@eltonjohntubola3212 In an alternate world, we get Apdo and Faker on the big stage duking it out in mid
@@anadaere6861The girl had to ruin it 💀
jk, he was elo boosting it was deserved lmao
@@johnpauljonesisabadass8134nah that btch wanted dopa's wealthy lifestyle and when she got rejected she went balistic
It's been so long that I forgot that Apdo exist.. oops
@4:37 that was the most interesting topic.
Thanks for explaining more about Dopa in this video
I remember about 6 years ago, where me and my brother argue who's the best player, Faker or Dopa
if its just "player" in general then its obviously dopa, and if its a comparison between who has the better organized play then its obviously faker. dopa is a one man army while faker is a general both are vastly different
@@michaelka3071 Dopa is better organized than Faker. Everybody studied or is studying Dopa's wave management. There's already been a known caster, who talked about Dopa's performance overall compared to Faker. The only thing Faker has - that Dopa doesn't, is tournament/pro experience. But saying Dopa is not playing organized is an outright lie, when he is in fact playing very organized.
Dopa has Faker-level performance on all roles, and is playing all roles at a Challenger-level in the Super Server.
@@Dragonichh if you actually read my comment instead of focusing meatriding your goat you would notice that i am talking about faker leading his team to making plays, between the two faker is a much better in leading a team while dopa is better at carrying a team, the two is vastly different. the major reason why dopa isnt fit in pro play is due to his mentality of doing everything himself, he is so used in managing everything that his teammates would feel like monkeys needing to be carried also the major reason why he will never make it as a pro. you might not know this but pro teams require synergy that is powered by the teams equality and understanding, if someone like dopa enters a team there would be a huge imbalance in skills and that team would crumble you dont need a phd to see that happening
Honestly, best in solo queue doesn't necessarily mean he would do well on the professional scene. A lot of pros do well in solo queue and then tank quite badly on the professional scene. Yeah, Faker was known to be Godly in solo queue hence scouted for SKT, but the difference is, Faker isn't toxic, so the team atmosphere improves, which makes the team much better, and not everyone finds the same success. In fact, no one has found the same success professionally after doing well in solo queue, so I think that speaks volumes.
Team Dark was also quite horrific, and I was watching that game against SSW live. If he really chose players that were "as good as him" for the team, then he wouldn't have been that good professionally, because Team Dark was terrible. Yeah, he wasn't there, but if the criteria for the members is as reported, then it's a reflection of him.
Also, I really question his foresight for the game when his foresight in real life is subpar at best. He stuck with ELO boosting for "more monetary gains." That is simply short-sighted. Look at what "the best player in League of Legends" has now? A building named after him. Last time I checked, there's no Dopa Tower/Apdo Tower. Given this kind of visionary, or lack of, even if he was successful professionally, he likely would've went to China after winning one Worlds, like many did, whereas Faker was loyal and hard grounded to one region, and in fact, one team, to have this level of success and fame. Korea is very patriotic. Faker has this level of fame in Korea because he stuck with Korea through thick and thin, that's why he's a literal celebrity in Korea.
Finally, achieving what Faker did, he was selected for the Asian Games, and through that, he won Gold, which now exempts him from military service (even though he might have been exempt due to dropping out in education) but now with the Gold medal, he is considered to have served the country and doesn't need to be conscripted for sure unless he chooses to. Again, just short-sighted, and now he's in military, so no streaming or ELO boosting for revenue, while Faker is raking in cash from advertisements to rent.
Not to toot Faker's horn, but Faker visionary of the game and scene is clearly far superior than anyone else's given his choices that led to his success, so is Dopa/Apdo really equal or better? I don't think so.
Yeah, the bigger part of being Pro is keep your emotion under control while on big stage. It's really really hard to perform at your best in front of so many people. How many of us is just straight up freeze in front of class of 100 people? And we saw people making fun of Faker meditating before a match or his lack of emotion, but that's the result of warrior mental hardening over a span of decade.
hey let's be real here, with his personality, Elo-boosting was the right way to make money, done, that's it! as he matured he realized he's unsuitable to go pro, so he wouldn't make anything other than tarnish his reputation in pro league. mechanically and game knowledge, can't say that he's worse than Faker. I'm faker fanboy since 2013 but his foresight for himself is, IMO, right. streamer, elo booster, making as much as he could. the same case as to someone like Marin with a difficult personality, but happen to be in the right team and win world once, still a goat but coudn't last long.
i ain’t reading all that
Bro, this is like a thesis paper. I loved it.
@@mukamuka0
Definitely another factor. I watched the TFT Vegas Open and a lot of the players were commenting how playing in front of a live crowd vs over a stream, despite knowing people are watching, is a lot different in atmosphere and pressure.
There cant be Zeus without Hades
"korean residence card" shown at 4:15 is residence card for foreigners
Probably from Pyongyang
It’s crazy that I can’t recall ever hearing of him. It’s possible I had and just forgot about it long ago. But yeah, I know all about Faker and had never heard of Dopa
2025 will be sick since dopa will finish his military service and gta 6 released
Apdo the "Uncrowned King " or " The King who never was."
I saw fizz auto the minion once and that’s when I knew the game was over holy chit this guy was way ahead of everyone with his macro.
He is like the sasuke of faker's naruto
he's like kiba but go off if you want to rank him higher than the likes of xiaohu or rookie
@@dumbassdude8372 if hes "kiba" how come that in season 5-7 noone could duplicate his soloq archivements like Deft, Imp, Rookie, and Showmaker tried? but only after years could copy ones, when he stopped playing that often and went into the military service?
Bro is sisphus going to the top and dropping back down
i used to love dopa but looking back he’s just another really good solo q player idk how he was ever considered a rival
Hitting rank 1 in korean and chinese solo q is wayy harder than playing with your team 5 stack with strats and everything
@hsifs nah he is right tho
7:40 he borrowed the account created using his brothers ID(social security number) and he took advantage of a legal loophole where deleting an account results (include banned) in the destruction of all registered information after one year. using this flaw he able to create a new account using his own ID.
for now ban record has changed that cannot erased even use this method
The guy is like the tim duncan of eSports. He mastered every fundamentals there is and S tier every advance mechanics.
Let's be honest, Apdo is way above Faker in terms of skill. Not only does Apdo play ALL 5 ROLES on this skill level, he has ranked #1 on 3 different servers at the same time and at one point ranked #1-#10 on korean server all by himself with smurf accounts.
It is fascinating reading all these piss low comments about Dopa, like they actually know him. "He doesnt got the mental for being pro", "Hes just a Solo Q player and would barely being a substitute midlaner." You dont know anything about him. All we know is, that this man got an insane knowledge and understanding of the game. Nothing more is needed in a competitive professional game. The unreal thing was how he could transfer it into Solo Q, where every variable is being unknown. Because there is always a different player in your team. Better or worse. Not in competitive play. Where every player and team knows one self and their strategies. Imagine Dopa would be a midlaner and shotcaller with 4 professional players. And yes, he was also mechanically gifted. In lower games he played stomp champs like katarina and fizz with ease and many more. Could swap to toplane if he needed to and play things like fiora. And then, in a certain higher elo he will switch to Twisted fate and something like Orianna, where as Macroplay dominates the game. Haters gonna hate. But he was one of the greatest and talented players known to play League of legends! 👊
dopa? DOPA DOWNNNNNN
Dopa was indeed a great player. That's no doubt. But Faker knowledge of the game was far superior than Dopa because Faker was a creator. He define the meta of mid lane role back in the day. But Dopa manages to innovate Faker's creation thats why he remains on top while Faker was sinking. Unfortunately, Faker catches up and manages to innovate. And not just that, his mentallity changes from a solo player to a team player. Now what differs both Dopa and Faker was how well Faker can manages to be insync with different type of pro team while Dopa only plays for himself still while innovating. So even if Dopa plays for Pro, i really doubt he'll win any trophies, maybe domestic title. Look at Chovy, he was never successful because he only plays for himself despite innovating certain Faker techniques. And when he realizes that he has to play for the team, it was too late, because T1 was too big of a wall for him to defeat.
Saying Chovy isn’t successful is weird. What do you guys define as success? Winning msi/worlds. Chovy just won lck 3 times back to back. There are certain traits of faker that Chovy doesn’t have but saying he isn’t successful as an example is off.
I think it was a little premature to say Chovy is not successful but the truth is international titles will always mean more since it is against the best of the best amongst all leagues like the LPL. And until Chovy can prove his mettle internationally there will always be people who will never put him above Faker for that reason not that I think anyone can be put above Faker at this point especially if he wins one or two more international title. To me he is already the GOAT of LOL.
@@oreoyo5639 winning titles domestically and back to back isn't something to brag about especially when the meta doesn't change drastically in just a span of 2 years. If any, Caps should be the best example of being seconds best in terms of being consistent and map awareness, team playing just like Faker. The only difference between Caps and Faker is that there are good teammates and a mindset of Asian players. Chovy? Nah. He has never won any domestic titles in his rookie year. He was never changing until just recently but still fails. I really think what Chovy is lacking was the ability to see how he would lose the game in order for him to win. All he thinks about was how he will convert his mechanical talent into a win.
actually
Dopa defined and created a lot of like he called "concepts" to how to manipulate small game lead and formed the way solo Q methods that got a gold standard in high elo play by today, extremly ahead of his time.
The concept of never dying to a gank while wasting enemy time is one thing Dopa foreknew an seen and defined on faker before any analyist could do, that shows how Dopa read Faker like a book mulitple times and according to his interview after Rank 1 China Superserver said, he goes 50/50 with him.
@@WildRiftGameplayandTutorialchovy plays lck while you play solo q wildrift lmao pipe down 😭
Makes you wanna lock in Twisted Fate
There's a big difference between being a great solo queue player and a great pro player.
In another universe he'd definitely be a better player even as a pro if he had the chance to develop in a competitive circuit
i already am just like him
Why even compare bro. The other has never been on a big stage worthy of attention. They got into a stage and got banned and never played. The only common ground these players have is they both play LOL. One is 4 time world champion, one is a booster and a soloque enjoyer. These are both different worlds.
bro you have no idea... in terms of skill and knowledge they are equals. I'm korean btw I know my shit
To this day the greatest SOLO queue player in League of Legends. DOPA THE GOD.
Dopa is the best solo que player of all time.
Faker the greatest player of all time.
"do you think Dopa could do that?"
Apdo the shadow goat
Hes like the info broker from Durarara
pls bring him in the pro scene
Dopa couldn’t have ever gone pro, he didn’t have the mental for it, he was an amazing soloq player, but would have been a below average pro player.
Yup all the "couldve" doesnt mean shit. I couldve become a president and that has a same value of sentiment as Dopa being on a level of god tier pro player
Id say if would similar to Magifelix, Chovy or Jensen
those midlaners also were constantly rank 1 everytime with crazy winrates but still ok -good mids, not like out of this world type
Don’t get it twisted, Central Animal has taken down both
12:13 only a maniac would do such thing back in the days yet his prediction was right he do to faker what faker do to everybody faker is 10 steps ahead of everybody yet he is 1 step ahead of faker he is the reason i main TF before when i was still playing LOL the macro, the micro, and damn even you could call it nano details of how he plays🔥
Thanks for the vid
I’m a die hard T1 fan boy… (T-Con ra khỏi hang!!), but I’d be damn if I say Faker would win against Dopa in a solo game… Faker would win the game 9/10 times with his team, but loses to Dopa in lane 9/10 times too… Dopa is god tier but he is a loner and solo…
In anime terms… if Faker is the main character, the hero that assembles a team of friends by his side… then Dopa is the Maou, the Demon King, The Evil God that can easily wipe any of them off the map solo but defeated when the heroes uses the power of teamwork and friendship…
Winning in Soloq is harder than winning Worlds
-Faker
probably better that he never went pro; could've ended up like Vasili. lmao
I think even he doesn’t compete the big leagues at least we already seen his potential in the game itself compared to Motorsports some is not as lucky as Apdo/Dopa is.
Apdo went to pro and it went bad for him
Dopa is the best !!!
ask those who have been the victims of elo boosting..
Why is Dopa/Apdo even considered a rival to Faker? It ain't even close. Dude is a god in Solo Q ain't even kidding. But like competitive is just a different breed of battlefield. Like, look at Poby who subbed in for Faker. Bro is actually a god in Solo Q that he got recruited by T1 and he looked like an absolute joke as Faker's replacement going 1-7 that tournament. This dude ain't even close to today's best players and he sure as hell ain't better than Faker or at least Chovy who is considered the second best midlaner in the world.
We need to stop judging people based on their Solo Q performance because if we do, do we put Tarzaned in the best junglers in the world? When Peanut, Oner, Canyon, Kanavi exists? He was rank one four times and he got so bored of the game that he don't even bother climbing anymore.
Dopa/Apdo is great, I'd say even a god in the game. But you can't compare competitive League to Solo Q. It's a different game.
It just shows how good Faker adapts.
He was just a sole Rank 1 SoloQ player as well, but with ideas no one knew.
Same for today, he used tactics that are the gold standards right now.
The comparison often made is because what Faker did to Pro-Play, Dopa did to SoloQ
For example Faker formed Mid lane saga and meta where you never die to jungle ganks and try to waste enemy time, and go more on a 2v2 with your jungler way than for example going solo.
Dopa invented a lot of wave managmenets and concepts techniques in solo Q what a lot of coaches now sell for a extreme high price and other solo q players like Agurin adapt.
No other solo Q player formed solo q like Dopa
same as no other Pro formed Pro Player like Faker.
its not about inividual level of power, where they booth exceed, its more on the revolutionary side of the game
Yo does anyone know the name of the song at around 12:00? I've been looking for it for ages
2016 or 2018 lol World orchestral theme
Online vs lan is different beast for those who have played knows just because you are good at online doesn't mean you can perform under the lights and noise fyi. He is definitely good but comparing him to faker is kinda stupid no offence
Yo that was hella messed up of that girl to do, actually nuked his career, at least the pro path of it. This guys actually a tragic victim even if they were toxic as hell
Jungle or mid is always ❤
Apdo would not last in one team for too long, he'd be more like a substitute mid laner at best. If competitive league of legends allowed "mercenary" solo q players Apdos client list would be stacked since hes literally playing for teams to get in the pro scene.
What Faker and Dopa is on the same team?
Faker is naruto to Dopa is sasuke.
at the end of the day, lol is a 5v5 game. as good as apdo is, faker has insame team presence, which is what actually wins t1 games in the competitive scene. for context, t1 once played without faker after faker joined, and they were coordinating as well as a bunch of headless chickens. for most of their games, faker doesn't have the biggest number in anything. what he does have is insane control. he makes the game move as he wants.
Its all about attitude, they got the skill but not the attitude.
This kind of discussions don't work at all, soloq and proplay are way too different.
Ppl still talking about dopa?
Both were beaten by Midobeasto. I guess they are just fighting for 2nd place at this point
Inspiring
Basically the bull durham of league
Right now when tf if practically op if dopa come back he will stomp onece again The fvcking monster
Faker is the best player in professional player dopa is the best solo que!
Dopa is good but can't really cooperate
its a nice "what if" scenario since in my opinion apdo is actually better than faker as a player... but NOT as a professional
Eh i think soloq is a nice comparison as a stat of mechanical skills 1v1 but I don't see how that makes you a GOAT given LOL is ultimately a team sport. Professional LOL and soloq is way different. Just coz you are the best at soloq doesn't mean you would immediately translate to winning in a professional league.
How can you rival the goat if you cant even win a worlds title .. Cringe 😂😂😂
Never understood the hype around dopa. Hes just a good player in soloq. There have been several soloq gods. But with dopa people somehow think hes the goat. Its just soloq. Not professional play
Maybe alot of players give a shit about pro play?
Clearly didn't watch the video 😂
But they care about a random soloq hero? Well you do you. Everybody to their own likings and so on 😪
First of all, Faker was one of those "Random SoloQ hero" back in the day. Second, Dopa/APDO has been improving the meta for the last 10 seasons. Third, he's not like the others "SoloQ gods", he actually have a good macro that could, in theory, apply to pro-play (Unlike Magifelix and many others) and a long etc.
Thank god i never got into this game 😭
i think dopa is way overated
Bruh an eSports team should just pick him up as a coach
they would have to pay him well, not even considering if he would be interested in coaching
Good players arent always good coaches
@@YOSSARIAN313 He is very good at understanding the game and had all those streams teaching people about it. If he ever decided to, he could definitely be a coach.
@@synckar6380 definitely. He can be a great coach it shows how he understands the game. He might be the real kryptonite to T1 or any other team with his mind
lil bro went to military 😭
He is the goat for the real players. He's beaten Faker many times in solo q. Not just beat but a beatdown.
Yeah like the other goat gold 4 brand main that also beat faker
lmao solo q literally doesnt matter for pros. Chovy has beaten faker uncountable times in solo q. Faker has beaten Chovy uncountable times in solo q. NA pros have beaten faker. Faker has beaten NA pros in solo q. Numerous LCK pros have beaten Dopa uncountable times. It doesnt fucking matter. No one cares about Dopa anymore because he is just a really good solo q player, like many others.
The goat of elo boosting and the prime example of “How to ruin your professional career before it even begins”.
Chovy also beaten Faker many times. I would argue Cuzz is a better SoloQ player than Dopa these days but then again SoloQ doesn't matter if you don't have trophies to back it up, at least Cuzz has multiples.
can tell you're low elo if you value soloq this much 😂
Very cool player in LOL, thanks for the awesome video about him. By the way, on our platform, you can take on cool challenges and create moments that are no less awesome 💪
all these comments about dopa not being able to be a good pro player. we'll never know. why? cuz of one salty simp girl
Why the hell would anyone pay him to pwn noobs? This doesn't make any sense.
도파가 무서워서 1000년 정지 계획한 건가??????
technically he's only good at decision making and laning. but this is a 5v5 game, and although his main role is midlaner, he cannot stick 5 people to an unite block
I mean, I get that in internet time any substantial amount of time being gone might as well be forever, especially for people who stream, but he'll only be gone for 2 years at most.
Of course, a game can change a lot in 2 years, but I'd imagine he'll at least try to go back to LoL once he's done.
5:56 Women
i feel like you should focus more so on topics that haven’t been explored yet, plenty of people made content about this already
thank you for your feeling 🤣🤣🤣
Puro humo
this sh!t is dopa biggest babyboy, so cringe for comparing faker to him, pwe
women.
what apdo?
that soloQ warrior shit?
faker's rival???
부진도파곤곤래
chovy no1 on soloque always choke
brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I mean Midobeasto-san beat both so 🤷
first
reason 1037 to not have a daughter
Tis fine, streaming made u rich. It's worth - WehSing
The guy is like the tim duncan of eSports. He mastered every fundamentals there is and S tier every advance mechanics.