2:28 I actually like this characterization of megaton. He doesn’t hate Prime he respects him to a point and is even self aware to a certain extent why Optimus will always fight to stop him. He’s aware that the evils he will have to do to achieve this “paradise” are in fact evil. But at the same time he also really does view it as the end justifies the means. It’s almost a Professor X And Magneto conversation they are having.
I really liked how they highlighted the diffrence between optimus and megatron in their conversations With hot rod, After Hodrod had to blow up his Home City. With megatron saying That hotrod should discard his guilt, while optimus says That as leaders it is their responsibilty to carry the guilt.
I certainly started to lean into Taka's Cell, but the main inspiration for the Megatron voice is Fred Tatascoire from the High Moon games, with a little bit of David Kaye
@@spinoguy I definitely spotted the David Kaye in there. Armada's (well, the Cybertron trilogy's in general) Megatron was my first exposure to the character, and I've always loved that performance.
I never forget how arrogant Megs can be. Prime too if I’m being honest, but by this point Optimus just wants it done and over. While not the first moment, I like how this scene is where Megatron seems to start to introspect. All his grandiose plans being picked apart and criticized without having the ability to kill the naysayer.
There was a saying I read how, most revolutionary leaders want nothing to with the governance that comes after a major power shift. I feel like, had the war dragged on long enough, even Megs would've inevitably tired out, especially when you factor in his 'ends justify the means'. The major problem, however, would be when Megs tires himself out enough to be disposed by a subordinate, and to what fate lay in the hands of a 'Con controlled Cybertron.
In MTMTE, megatron laments that this was the moment he first started realizing he couldn't continue on this path. Once he realized that his wasn't being a performative monster, but was being a monster because he had come to know that he was a monster, he couldn't see himself as the hero of his own story. He proved himself wrong. Pretty well set-up arc
And yet years later Megatron would talk to Ravage and would admit that when those words were in his head, he thought he didn't mean it but when they left his mouth he found that he did. "If the world sees you as a monster what does it matter the world is wrong. But when you start to see yourself as a monster..." Megatron never had any delusions his defection would make up for what he had done, the lives he ended but he did try but never stopped seeing himself as a monster.
Maybe I'm biased, but even without going into the ethics of it, I'd rather have two good impressionists do a passable job then have an AI give an uncanny valley level performance because it would sound better.
@spinoguy agreed ,the work on this video is proof that humans can actually do great voice work ,ai wasn't used for the 80s cartoon and the movies so why use ai now . Let people appreciate actors and they're hard work so they can get the recognition they deserve, no ones gonna say : hey ai you did a good job voicing Optimus prime .
@shadowoflight5825 Well, because it is. Megatron does literally consider cybertronians to be superior beings to any other race. He literally says so "take our rightful place above lesser species." His whole ideology is based around the concept of sentient robots beings being superior to organics. Considering that most of the galaxy is organic, it can be used as justification for sacking organics planets and destroying their population. At this point, billions are dead because of this ideology. So yeah, Optimus is right in his assessment.
@@boxofrocks7154 if you really think about it Megatron isn't exactly wrong, cybertronians live for millions of years, in his eyes any type of sentient organic being is no different than an ant for us humans.
@@EastlakeRasta7 big difference between ants who operate as a hive, and act according to pheromones, and god knows if they're even sentient, at best they can sometimes recognise a mirror. Prime defens those with sentience, he likes all life, but a cybertronian also has little to no need to kill another organic life, there's no meat, no fuel, no resources to harvest, no pest control either considering they have to find organics. It'd be more like elves and humans compared to humans and ants. Sure, there is a general sense of superiority at times by some elves in fiction, but not elf supremacy.
@@binaryboopsva here's the big difference between humanity and the cybertronians all of human history announce toi literally a blimp on the grand scheme of things in the universe Compare that to the cybertronians whose species is objectively older than our fucking dinosaurs (depending on the era) But I get your point
@@boxofrocks7154 No, he's factually correct but you can't admit that you ARE and WOULD BE inferior to a true transformer. That's not even up for debate.
"I once told Optimus Prime I killed for the sake of killing. I wanted him to hurt me, you see, because when he hurts others, he hurts himself. And the thing is, when those words were in my head, I didn't think I meant them. But when they left my mouth...I realized I did."
@@andrewowens4421Trapped in Gun Mode for two years are definitely nightmare for Megatron. because he genuinely hate his Gun Mode so much to the point he only transform when he only genuinely needed it. no wonder why he rarely transform in G1.
@@TheNapster153 I am patiently waiting for the day of a Transformers X Metal Gear collab. Because I *know* it will be MGRex, and I have some ideas on how it could work.
I never read the IDW comics, but saw many dubs of this particular conversation. However they all stopped before that one final scene, right after Megatron says "and I don't think I've ever thanked you" Finally I got to know what he was referring to
I love how this whole thing shows just how... *delusional* Megatron is. He genuinely seems to believe his new Decepticon empire would last. But the moment he dies, the moment someone kills him or his Spark gives out, it will fall apart. Because it's dependent on him, and him alone.
well cybertronians are inmortal practically some have lived like 20 milions of years. I guess megs simply expect to him nver being taken from power. Also even if he is taken out he know he will come back and have it again, it happen before.
@@AlvaroMoragues Cybertronians do *age,* however. Megs and Prime have only gone this long without meaningful degradation because the two are backed by the two halves of an empire built for war, and constantly upgrading and reformatting themselves through whatever nonsense they can get their hands on. You take that war away, you force resources away from that... It wouldn't be a stretch to assume _then_ the years would start to catch up with either of the pair, much like other "old" 'bots.
@@JacksonJinn except if he is supreme cybertronian Emperor. He has absolute control over where those resources go. He could funnel both halves into him and last for hundreds of millions of years. Add in the technological advancement of a post war golden age and they could probably find a way to make themselves truly immortal before Megatron actually ages out.
I remember in the Idw comic Rachet was telling bumblebee how they were discovering that they could actually die of old age if they lived that long. That the notion they were immortal was actually believed by the majority of Cybertronians 4 millions after the war started. It's not surprising he thought be could rule cybertron forever.
Because he just unearthed footage of the central figure of the autobot/human alliance killing a surrendered decepticon in cold blood, thus compromising everything Prime hoped to achieve on Earth post-war. "What he thinks is a blanket of safety is actually six billion boots on his neck."
Best characterization of both of them. Optimus, clearly trying to understand where it all went to shit; Megatron, slowly remembering why, and everything clicks for both of them. I’ve always said it, history is defined by the interactions a spare few. The rest of us are caught in the ripples.
It all started when Orion told Mega to “keep it up” and that “he was doing something” The idea Mega finally had a fan who supported his ideals was enough to motivate him to become so extreme in his political beliefs. Then the actual war happened and Megatron found how much he liked hurting people. Things then kept spiraling until we arrived here. Imagine complimenting someone and that same person uses the compliment as motivation to send things to hell. Optimus must have felt awful
Transformers is more than most people think it ain't always fo kids This a beautifully written scene from idw it's a very broad yet poignant and intense and emotional scene that speaks volumes of both the opposite personalities of these characters
@@TheFunnyDictator The implications that what sparked the entirety of the multimillenia conflict between the Decepticons and the Autobots was spurred by Orion telling Megatron that *at least he's doing something*. With that motivation in mind, he was ready to do WHATEVER it took to bring change. No matter how extreme.
I have seen multiple versions of this conversation, I think this is my favorite. There's a sort of subtle nuance you add, they feel much more alive here. It is a joy to hear the emotion and the personality ticks that you give them in the voice work here, and I love it!
I really love how IDW depicted the Autobots and Decepticons. When we were kids, Good Autobots vs Evil Decepticons were enough but as the audience aged, we realize Tolkien was right. No one is born evil, there is a reason for it. It may not be a good reason, but it is a reason. Optimus is the everyman who became a hero, and Megatron is the fallen hero.
Yeah, well, Tolkien made it VERY clear who the villains were, and who the heroes were. Good and Evil are clearly defined in his works. And it doesn't stop millions of people of all ages from reading it. Clearly the population 'aging' changed nothing to his works' popularity, despite the fact that he's not subtle about who's good and who's bad. Megatron was never a fallen hero. He was never a hero, period.
@@Ares99999 Tolkien was big on making sure no one is seen as always being evil, and even his most evil characters had a reason for their fall. G1 cartoon Megatron has always been an evil character full stop, just like you say. But every comics Megatron is getting increasingly sympathetic in every depiction. IDW and Transformers One might be the ultimate culmination of this. And Kingdom, Earthspark, and Cyberverse all eventually slid into a role as a repentant former villain.
@@killingragethrowback Sorry man. I still side with Optimus on this. I still happen to believe that Optimus is by far the better person of the two. By several orders of magnitude.
@@Ares99999 I never said he wasn't. I specifically called Megatron the fallen one. Only that they told a story of how he became the villain, and how he can be redeemed. You can like Prime more if you like and that's fine. He's a great hero. I will ask that you not slander me just to make yourself look better. That makes you the villain.
You kinda skipped the most important part of this: that it was Megatron who was the original author of the "freedom is the right of all sentient beings" line that is recognized as Prime's catch-phrase.
@@robertdiaz9730 Exactly I love that they brought this out in Transformers One as well. He's right in a lot of what he says and thinks, and his initial ideals are the right ideals. But the personal pain, be it from the beating he took from Whirl in Rodion or the betrayal by Sentinel Prime that left him a cogless miner, creates a vengeance in him that cannot reconcile to justice. Cannot reconcile with peaceful revolution. Can only be satisfied with vengeance, with the death and destruction of everything that hurt him. And thus, the corrupted hero is forged.
He wasn't actually. The next issue showed Prime saw the phase on a statue of Prima in front of the Senate said "Freedom is the right of all civilized beings", implying Optimus thought the phrase really needed a redo.
@@stu729I think it’s more than that, I believe that Megatron truly believes that only by destroying the original system can he bring peace, much like this Megatron he believes in peace and prosperity through tyranny, he believes only a strong and powerful leader can prevent the deception and injustice that he hates so much, he’s missing the truth that that’s very similar to Sentinel’s own justification but he’s angry and hurt so he’s not seeing reality.
The voice acting give me the impresion that this is like set in the TF animated series future (i know that the comic is from idw) a season Optimus and a tired Megatron witch i liked
Sometimes it’s astonishing just how different IDW Megatron is depending on the comic. It’s what makes his character so great honestly, how in this conversation we see how deep his evil really goes. Bit in More Than Meets The Eye and Lost Light, we see what he could change back into when given the right circumstances. It’s chilling, how they’re both undeniably Megatron but one makes us love to hate him and another makes us feel sorry for him.
What’s even more surprising is that this was written by the guy who wrote MTMTE. He did find a way to reconcile it, and it actually turned out rather well.
I really love how "Sherma Bridge" might be a reference to Transformers Annual 1985 UK. That was technically the firs time they fought on the battlefield at the bridge. Plus, it was great how Optimus and Megatron were flexing the beatings they dealt to each other over the years like as if they were friends for a change.
To be fair, they'd done shit to one another that would put down lesser cybertronians. It be like watching humans getting shot and impaled constantly and still coming back to fight.
Well Roberts was a big fan of Marvel UK, so probably it was. For exemple Overlord was in The last stand of the Wreeckers as main villian because was Nich Roche (artist and writter of the comic) favorite figure when he was a kid xD
@andrewowens4421 3 reasons to why they are still alive. 1. Plot 2. They both have 0.1% Sparks, the strongest kind of sparks that are harder to extinguish. 3. They are at the top of the patient care, while others would leak out or shut down They would get the best care with unlimited resources to build them the best reinforced bodies. It's crazy how much even a regular cybertronian can survive with immediate medical care.
@@andrewowens4421Yeah.. but in a more realistic sense it'd be like boxers, or football players that have crazy match up highlights against each other.
This reminds of Dr. Who’s Speech on the Zygon inversion. “When you’ve killed all the bad guys, and it’s all perfect and just and fair, when you finally have got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The troublemakers? How are you going to protect your glorious revolution, from the next one?”
You know, the worst part here is the fact that I don't feel like these two got anywhere by the end of all of this conversation. It feels like they're at the exact same place, still. This is really a toxic relationship, and I don't mean it romantically. But they are seriously toxic to each other, not just as simple enemies.
1:49 Fun fact, the autobot Megatron was referring to here is Whirl. This was before the war, Megatron and Impactor were hanging out at a bar but got into a fight with others. Megatron was arrested despite not actually involved, in fact he was hiding under a table during the fight. That's when he met Whirl in the jail cell where he was then beaten up..
I'd say the mass arrest of the miners, their escape from imprisonment leading him to fight for survival in the pits of kaon had more to do with leading Megatron to start the war more than Whirl did.
Actually I originally thought Meg was referring to the bot that wanted to lobotomise him, I would totally support the overthrowing of a government that enforced that.
I think it has to do with the dread of knowing what's coming. He goes walking off, like an ordinary citizen, while everyone is blissfully unaware of what the next several eons will be like.
Cells theme is based in electrical notes. It also plays to a synced disharmony. TFS then took that them and altered it to create a feeling of foreboding dread by altering the rhythm and instruments. It was meant to be paired with a character that literally built himself into the perfect antagonist. It was altered to show that same type of character as a coming storm. Megatron is literally all of that wrapped into one.
What I love here is in the middle of the talk Optimus try’s to literarily have a good friendly conversation with Megatron. Bringing up there last battles and expressing how much it was awesome or badass from there point of geeked and they both had a kick at it and where talking like buddies which I found awesome and cool
God DAMN! What an incredible dub! Optimus' patience being repeatedly tested, trying to figure out what goes on in Megatron's twisted processor, Megatron's simmering madness, that SCREAM of pain, and best of all, the Cell Games announcement theme as Megatron takes his first step toward becoming the monster we know. I tip my goddamn hat to you, sir.
Optimus said he thought he know Megatron. But I always thought it was because they fought a lot but I realised wayy too late that it actually from the flashback where Optimus read Megatron's ideas about reforming their political and life conditions including where Optimus gets his ideal "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" from.
Yall, am I the only one tripping at 5:27 ? Thats just straight up a screenshot from TFONE if D-16 had won. Dude, the TFONE crew did such a good job, holy shit man.
This is honestly so damn good and I’m not even halfway through it. Also, if you ever wanted to bring more people in to voice act for Transformers, hit me up. I’d be down for sure.
1:52 The Autobot he’s talking about here is WHIRL, who beat up Megs while he was temporarily in jail (when he was still just a miner/gladiator/philosopher).
every time I watch this I always have to go to the comic dub of megatron and ravage in mtmte. Just, the idea that megatron started realizing the venom in his own words. I like to think if this whole scene was animated, there's be a small moment where you could see Meg's vicious smile slightly faulter as the realization of what he said comes to his head
Can you imagine...IDW being animated as a series, for at least 4-5 seasons, I don't know how many it would actually take, but enough to tell the whole saga, even to get to this moment. Especially the way its presented here, the flashbacks, so finely edited in. This scene alone would be a season finale moment, and it would be glorious.
Everyone else has given their compliments and two cents on this video, so I’m just going to say how much I love how it sounds like you’re channelling David Kaye’s voice acting for both characters. His voices for both fit them so well, and you channel them perfectly.
I’ve never read the comics before, but this conversation is so good as well as the voice acting of it. A neat little thing I’ve noticed after a few rewatches is the meaning behind the focus onto the shattered glass at the end. It might be very simple and not too hard to notice but I genuinely enjoy the fact that the broken glass spot just resembles the Decepticon Logo. It’s so cool!
Bro your Megatron sounds like if david kay and DBZA perfect cell had a baby, seriously the perfect combination of sassy and menacing at the same time. Keep up thw good work and keep working on that Megatron voice because one day you might just get a chance to voice super robo hitler in something official!
You can sort of sympathise with Megatron here, I’m not saying he has any right to all of the damage he’s caused but his whole life has been hounded by the Autobots. From his years in the pits and the battles he endured to the Primes rejecting his vision of Cybertron to the betrayal of Orion when his vision was accepted by the Primes to Orion being turned into Optimus. He’s then been in a war against the Autobots for god knows how many years. It’s sad because him and Optimus were like brothers and Megatron’s noble self has been buried under years and years of hatred and anger and bloodlust where any conscious or cares for his soldiers has been replaced with a harsh brutality where he will do anything to win even if it means hurting or killing his own Decepticons.
That's from the Alligned continuity. And Orion didn't betray him, he went with Megatron to expose their ideas together to the council, how is it his fault that they prefered Orion over Megs given the way they both expressed themselves? Who are they gonna choose the violent one with thirst for power and revenge or the peacful more level headed one? He only saw it as a betrayal because of his massive ego, and even before then he had already ordered the Decepticons to commit acts of terrorism
@@cahe6161 I know Orion didn’t betray Megatron when the went to the council but the way Megatron saw it as Orion used him to get what he wanted. I know what you mean with Orion’s vision they saw a peaceful Cybertron whereas with Megatron’s vision they saw a future full of bodies and destruction.
The Primes rejected his VIOLENT vision, and Orion didn't betray him at all. At heart, Megatron was never noble in the slightest, and deserved every single bit of the 'hounding' the Autobots gave him.
It's pretty close to one. Megatron and Optimus developed a VERY close relationship. Of course, Orion Pax/Optimus ended up striking a position that was a little too sympathetic to the Functionists for Megatron, which shattered any hope of cooperation. At the end of the day, Megatron sees himself as a revolutionary who was forced into violence/playing the villain to force Cybertron to change. He, up until he actually said killing gives him pleasure, thought this was all an act. On the other hand, Megatron sees Optimus as a charismatic leader that could have upended the Senate and ended Functionist rule if he actually wanted to. But when Orion Pax refused to, and became Optimus, that was a betrayal he couldn't abide by. Nonviolence is fine to Megatron; just don't apply it to a violent regime like the Cybertronian Senate. Optimus sees Megatron as a former comrade who got lost trying to change the world. To Optimus, Megatron bit off more than he can chew, got locked into a persona he doesn't like, and knows it. Prime thinks of himself as Megatron, but with restraint. He worked within the system to try to change it, which makes him more effective. They're both right about the other, and generally realize they're wrong about themselves during the Lost Light arc.
@@AAdams-ke4is Damn, I must ask you. Are these things about them in the IDW comics, or are they in the Exodus book trilogy? Can I ask how were they very close to each other exactly? As friends and comrades, I assume?
This was absolutely stellar! I love every second of this video. Honestly dubs like these are such huge inspirations for what I wanna do. The storytelling mixed with the raw emotion in the voices work like clockwork to bring such a great story to life! Keep up the fantastic work!
Even by human measures they would have been warring for an ungodly amount of time. Part of the reason is because they are machines they are effectively immortal so long as they have access to repairs and upgrades. Like Optimus and Megatron are basically old geezers in human terms, but they can keep fighting because of their "biological" nature. They've effectively _become_ war personified; and Optimus clearly has had enough while Megatron is still into it in a bad way.
If only Bay had a talk like this in DOTM. Instead, it was “Time to find out.” And slice! Pathetic. Megatron took the step to peace people! Sure, he may have betrayed Prime first chance he got, but G1 Prime at least tries to see the good in anyone. Even Meg’s
To be fair Mega did kill him in Age of extinction and assisted his mentor in betraying him so he didn’t really have that much reason to put faith in Megs lol
@@2bdaqueen268 Fair. Fair. But this is Optimus Prime we’re talking about. The real Prime would do everything in his power to bring peace to his people, even spare Megatron.
@@2bdaqueen268 You mean revenge of the fallen, not age of extinction (megatron was galvatron by that point) and if prime and megatron were going to form a truce in the original ending, then it shows prime did have a reason to trust megatron. The two literally would of teamed up against sentinel. Megatron isn't kidding about a goal when he sees teaming up with prime as a necessity to complete said goal We seen enough prime/megatron team ups to see this
During their reminiscence, Idk why but it feels nice watching 2 enemies sit down and play the “you did this and I did that” conversation. I know it’s for exposition to show how long and how many fights they’ve had, but man it just feels like they’re bonding over something for once.
5:13 incredible how this quick bit referencing the Knights of cybertron set up the whole Lost Light run. In fact it was supposed to be a quick throwaway but since the co-writer (James Roberts) of this couple of issues then became the writer of MTMTE/Lost Light he used things like this and Whirl appereance as foundaments of his future series.
His body has an in-built spacebridge. He was supposed to open a portal to let the decepticons attack the autobots from within their own ship, but he never got the chance before they had to deal with D-void
chills literal thills the music the timing and i love how this is a little inspired by david kaye's megatron god if you can ever do the rest of it when hot rod says it was gonna a little cozy in there wow
You represented the characters very well with your voices here, I think. I always imagined IDW Optimus sounded just like this, and the voice for Megatron suits his design quite well in these scenes. Thank you
Trapped in Gun Mode for two years are definitely nightmare for Megatron. because he genuinely hate his Gun Mode so much to the point he only transform when he only genuinely needed it. no wonder why he rarely transform in G1.
6:53-6:55 Prime: "You cost me an army". Megatron: "You cost me an arm". Just a small thing, but I think ir really shows the differences between these two.
Tip for transformers voices, use the "space marine" filter in voicemod if you have it. Its meant for marines, but if you pitch it up or down depending on your pitch it makes for a fantastic TF voice. Sadly I was born without the bass to pull off a good Optimus voice, but I've got the inflections down pat. So that filter is like, a godsend XD
I keep rewatching this, and there's only one thought in my head what I want to write down right now. This video is my only response and message to everyone who says that Transformers is just for children, or that it has no potential to be a philosophically and emotionally deep movie franchise masterpiece. The Michael Bay movies truly didn't do it justice in this regard.
I can still remember vividly seeing the start of the first episode of Transformers Cybertron and being in aw, like what is this awesomeness? Oh how little I knew how fast I would fall, head first, down that rabbit hole of Transformers and their war.
We NEEDED a scene like that in the live action movies. The action scenes are awesome, but a scene like this, where the two most famous characters of the franchise just sit in front of each other and talk about their long history and conflicted views would've made the movie it would've been in even better in my opinion.
Gary Chalk as Optimus and Corey Burton as Megatron voicing over this would be freaking amazing. If they ever made a show adapting IDW they should have Gary and Corey return for the roles.
I hope one day we’ll get a conversation between Optimus and Megatron on the big screen, perhaps in a sequel to Transformers One. No fighting, just a battle of ideology.
There were these two guys in a lunatic asylum...And one night, one night they decide they don't like living in an asylum any more. They decide they're going to escape! So, like, they get up onto the roof, and there, just across this narrow gap, they see the rooftops of the town, stretching away in the moon light... stretching away to freedom. Now, the first guy, he jumps right across with no problem. But his friend, his friend did not dare make the leap. Y'see... Y'see, he's afraid of falling. So then, the first guy has an idea... He says 'Hey! I have my flashlight with me! I'll shine it across the gap between the buildings. You can walk along the beam and join me!' B-but the second guy just shakes his head. He suh-says... He says 'Wh-what do you think I am? Crazy? You'd turn it off when I was half way across!'
2:28 I actually like this characterization of megaton. He doesn’t hate Prime he respects him to a point and is even self aware to a certain extent why Optimus will always fight to stop him. He’s aware that the evils he will have to do to achieve this “paradise” are in fact evil. But at the same time he also really does view it as the end justifies the means. It’s almost a Professor X And Magneto conversation they are having.
I really liked how they highlighted the diffrence between optimus and megatron in their conversations With hot rod, After Hodrod had to blow up his Home City. With megatron saying That hotrod should discard his guilt, while optimus says That as leaders it is their responsibilty to carry the guilt.
Makes his later turn even better.
It's MegaTRON
@@bluefin844 Ah. As in "electronic."
This is the type of conversation I always wanted from these two characters
You give Megatron a hint of Perfect Cell and it's Perfect
I certainly started to lean into Taka's Cell, but the main inspiration for the Megatron voice is Fred Tatascoire from the High Moon games, with a little bit of David Kaye
@@spinoguy YESSSSS🦖
@@spinoguy WHY WONT YOU DIE?!
-Fred line in fall of cybertron
@@spinoguy I definitely spotted the David Kaye in there. Armada's (well, the Cybertron trilogy's in general) Megatron was my first exposure to the character, and I've always loved that performance.
@@Yami-no-Raiden hey same. Armada and its designs/voices hold a special place in my heart.
I never forget how arrogant Megs can be. Prime too if I’m being honest, but by this point Optimus just wants it done and over. While not the first moment, I like how this scene is where Megatron seems to start to introspect. All his grandiose plans being picked apart and criticized without having the ability to kill the naysayer.
There was a saying I read how, most revolutionary leaders want nothing to with the governance that comes after a major power shift. I feel like, had the war dragged on long enough, even Megs would've inevitably tired out, especially when you factor in his 'ends justify the means'.
The major problem, however, would be when Megs tires himself out enough to be disposed by a subordinate, and to what fate lay in the hands of a 'Con controlled Cybertron.
In MTMTE, megatron laments that this was the moment he first started realizing he couldn't continue on this path. Once he realized that his wasn't being a performative monster, but was being a monster because he had come to know that he was a monster, he couldn't see himself as the hero of his own story. He proved himself wrong.
Pretty well set-up arc
And yet years later Megatron would talk to Ravage and would admit that when those words were in his head, he thought he didn't mean it but when they left his mouth he found that he did.
"If the world sees you as a monster what does it matter the world is wrong. But when you start to see yourself as a monster..."
Megatron never had any delusions his defection would make up for what he had done, the lives he ended but he did try but never stopped seeing himself as a monster.
Ironic, huh? He was trying to make Prime feel like a monster as well, when he was really just projecting all of his own insecurities
Is this not like the plot of Shrek? You know... Everyone looking you like a monster and starting to belive it, just a bit darker
Peter Cullen and Frank Welker need to read and act this conversation
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@@kevinp.h157 are you fucking serious
Maybe I'm biased, but even without going into the ethics of it, I'd rather have two good impressionists do a passable job then have an AI give an uncanny valley level performance because it would sound better.
@spinoguy agreed ,the work on this video is proof that humans can actually do great voice work ,ai wasn't used for the 80s cartoon and the movies so why use ai now . Let people appreciate actors and they're hard work so they can get the recognition they deserve, no ones gonna say : hey ai you did a good job voicing Optimus prime .
They had a similar one in TF Prime.
i love that optimus took megatrons version of cybertron and just called him a racist
@shadowoflight5825 Well, because it is. Megatron does literally consider cybertronians to be superior beings to any other race. He literally says so "take our rightful place above lesser species." His whole ideology is based around the concept of sentient robots beings being superior to organics. Considering that most of the galaxy is organic, it can be used as justification for sacking organics planets and destroying their population. At this point, billions are dead because of this ideology. So yeah, Optimus is right in his assessment.
@@boxofrocks7154 if you really think about it Megatron isn't exactly wrong, cybertronians live for millions of years, in his eyes any type of sentient organic being is no different than an ant for us humans.
@@EastlakeRasta7 big difference between ants who operate as a hive, and act according to pheromones, and god knows if they're even sentient, at best they can sometimes recognise a mirror.
Prime defens those with sentience, he likes all life, but a cybertronian also has little to no need to kill another organic life, there's no meat, no fuel, no resources to harvest, no pest control either considering they have to find organics.
It'd be more like elves and humans compared to humans and ants. Sure, there is a general sense of superiority at times by some elves in fiction, but not elf supremacy.
@@binaryboopsva here's the big difference between humanity and the cybertronians all of human history announce toi literally a blimp on the grand scheme of things in the universe
Compare that to the cybertronians whose species is objectively older than our fucking dinosaurs (depending on the era)
But I get your point
@@boxofrocks7154 No, he's factually correct but you can't admit that you ARE and WOULD BE inferior to a true transformer. That's not even up for debate.
I wonder how people would react if they saw the original G1 cartoon versions of the characters doing this?
Oh god I can only imagine
PLEASE SOMEONE DO IT!!!
Would be amazing.
wow you people are obsessed with g1 give it rest let the fandom change im sick and dired of this G1 worship it wasnt perfect
@@mariharrik5987 how about you mind your own business
"I once told Optimus Prime I killed for the sake of killing. I wanted him to hurt me, you see, because when he hurts others, he hurts himself. And the thing is, when those words were in my head, I didn't think I meant them. But when they left my mouth...I realized I did."
Where is this quote from?
@@Destractoid It's from later on in the series: MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE #32. There's a great dub on it on RUclips.
@@Destractoid another MTMTE comic, a conversation between megatron and ravage
Crazy
Same writer too, explicitly referring to this conversation specifically
8:07 Megatron: You wanna talk about being horribly maimed? I can talk about being horribly maimed.
He was stuck in Gun Mode! _Gun Mode!_
This was honestly my favorite part of the conversation and I hate it! 😂
@@andrewowens4421Trapped in Gun Mode for two years are definitely nightmare for Megatron. because he genuinely hate his Gun Mode so much to the point he only transform when he only genuinely needed it. no wonder why he rarely transform in G1.
@@jovif.spemudaindonesia1841 Really? Did he ever said it? Other than this comic I mean.
@@BlossomPathOnStage15 In G1 Cartoon Megatron once said 'Ugly Earth Disguises' referring to his Gun Alt Mode
Megatron slowly turns into Liquid Snake as the reading goes on at one point.
To be fair, he was a T-Rex in one incarnation.
Just not a nuke shooting one.
@@TheNapster153 I am patiently waiting for the day of a Transformers X Metal Gear collab. Because I *know* it will be MGRex, and I have some ideas on how it could work.
"you enjoy all the killing, that's why!"
Didn't Cam Clarke voice both?
@Flamyll no I just checked kinda unfortunate
I never read the IDW comics, but saw many dubs of this particular conversation. However they all stopped before that one final scene, right after Megatron says "and I don't think I've ever thanked you"
Finally I got to know what he was referring to
What was he referring to fr I dont get it?
@@juniorramirez2314 the scene in which Orion lets D-16 out of prison
@@casteddu6740 Why does he let him out?
@@TheFunnyDictator Watch the video
@@casteddu6740 I did watch it! Can you please explain it to me?
I love how this whole thing shows just how... *delusional* Megatron is.
He genuinely seems to believe his new Decepticon empire would last. But the moment he dies, the moment someone kills him or his Spark gives out, it will fall apart. Because it's dependent on him, and him alone.
well cybertronians are inmortal practically some have lived like 20 milions of years. I guess megs simply expect to him nver being taken from power. Also even if he is taken out he know he will come back and have it again, it happen before.
@@AlvaroMoragues Cybertronians do *age,* however. Megs and Prime have only gone this long without meaningful degradation because the two are backed by the two halves of an empire built for war, and constantly upgrading and reformatting themselves through whatever nonsense they can get their hands on. You take that war away, you force resources away from that... It wouldn't be a stretch to assume _then_ the years would start to catch up with either of the pair, much like other "old" 'bots.
@@JacksonJinn except if he is supreme cybertronian Emperor. He has absolute control over where those resources go. He could funnel both halves into him and last for hundreds of millions of years. Add in the technological advancement of a post war golden age and they could probably find a way to make themselves truly immortal before Megatron actually ages out.
And that’s assuming it doesn’t deteriorate within his lifetime due to infighting
I remember in the Idw comic Rachet was telling bumblebee how they were discovering that they could actually die of old age if they lived that long. That the notion they were immortal was actually believed by the majority of Cybertronians 4 millions after the war started. It's not surprising he thought be could rule cybertron forever.
Why is Megatron acting so laid-back all the sudden in this comic?
Because he just unearthed footage of the central figure of the autobot/human alliance killing a surrendered decepticon in cold blood, thus compromising everything Prime hoped to achieve on Earth post-war. "What he thinks is a blanket of safety is actually six billion boots on his neck."
What kind of pose was Megatron striking when sitting?
@@sigma_family101 Fool's cooling
@@liambird9286DAMN
@@liambird9286 how so? I haven't seen the comic but it's a Decepticon those guy are pretty evil
Best characterization of both of them. Optimus, clearly trying to understand where it all went to shit; Megatron, slowly remembering why, and everything clicks for both of them.
I’ve always said it, history is defined by the interactions a spare few. The rest of us are caught in the ripples.
It's better. Freedom is the right of all sentient beings? That was something Prime read in Megatron's manuscript.
It all started when Orion told Mega to “keep it up” and that “he was doing something”
The idea Mega finally had a fan who supported his ideals was enough to motivate him to become so extreme in his political beliefs.
Then the actual war happened and Megatron found how much he liked hurting people. Things then kept spiraling until we arrived here.
Imagine complimenting someone and that same person uses the compliment as motivation to send things to hell. Optimus must have felt awful
Transformers is more than most people think it ain't always fo kids This a beautifully written scene from idw it's a very broad yet poignant and intense and emotional scene that speaks volumes of both the opposite personalities of these characters
you could say it's more then meets the eye?
"...At least you're doing something. Keep it up."
No pun intended, but the implications of this hit me like a fucking truck.
Yep
What do you mean by that?
@@TheFunnyDictator The implications that what sparked the entirety of the multimillenia conflict between the Decepticons and the Autobots was spurred by Orion telling Megatron that *at least he's doing something*. With that motivation in mind, he was ready to do WHATEVER it took to bring change. No matter how extreme.
@@GeneralJaydonius Have you read all the comics?
Not really it was more caused by Whirl beating him up to near death
I have seen multiple versions of this conversation, I think this is my favorite. There's a sort of subtle nuance you add, they feel much more alive here. It is a joy to hear the emotion and the personality ticks that you give them in the voice work here, and I love it!
Thank you! I can't express how much that means to me
I really love how IDW depicted the Autobots and Decepticons. When we were kids, Good Autobots vs Evil Decepticons were enough but as the audience aged, we realize Tolkien was right. No one is born evil, there is a reason for it. It may not be a good reason, but it is a reason.
Optimus is the everyman who became a hero, and Megatron is the fallen hero.
Yeah, well, Tolkien made it VERY clear who the villains were, and who the heroes were. Good and Evil are clearly defined in his works. And it doesn't stop millions of people of all ages from reading it. Clearly the population 'aging' changed nothing to his works' popularity, despite the fact that he's not subtle about who's good and who's bad.
Megatron was never a fallen hero. He was never a hero, period.
@@Ares99999 Tolkien was big on making sure no one is seen as always being evil, and even his most evil characters had a reason for their fall.
G1 cartoon Megatron has always been an evil character full stop, just like you say. But every comics Megatron is getting increasingly sympathetic in every depiction. IDW and Transformers One might be the ultimate culmination of this. And Kingdom, Earthspark, and Cyberverse all eventually slid into a role as a repentant former villain.
@@killingragethrowback Sorry man. I still side with Optimus on this. I still happen to believe that Optimus is by far the better person of the two. By several orders of magnitude.
@@Ares99999 I never said he wasn't. I specifically called Megatron the fallen one. Only that they told a story of how he became the villain, and how he can be redeemed.
You can like Prime more if you like and that's fine. He's a great hero. I will ask that you not slander me just to make yourself look better. That makes you the villain.
@@killingragethrowback Where have I slandered you? To make myself 'look better'? That's a serious accusation right there.
Whoever did Megatron was SPOT ON for the Armada voice. :) Triggered my nostalgia.
You kinda skipped the most important part of this: that it was Megatron who was the original author of the "freedom is the right of all sentient beings" line that is recognized as Prime's catch-phrase.
Megatron IS corrupted hero
@@robertdiaz9730 Exactly I love that they brought this out in Transformers One as well. He's right in a lot of what he says and thinks, and his initial ideals are the right ideals. But the personal pain, be it from the beating he took from Whirl in Rodion or the betrayal by Sentinel Prime that left him a cogless miner, creates a vengeance in him that cannot reconcile to justice. Cannot reconcile with peaceful revolution. Can only be satisfied with vengeance, with the death and destruction of everything that hurt him. And thus, the corrupted hero is forged.
He wasn't actually. The next issue showed Prime saw the phase on a statue of Prima in front of the Senate said "Freedom is the right of all civilized beings", implying Optimus thought the phrase really needed a redo.
@@stu729I think it’s more than that, I believe that Megatron truly believes that only by destroying the original system can he bring peace, much like this Megatron he believes in peace and prosperity through tyranny, he believes only a strong and powerful leader can prevent the deception and injustice that he hates so much, he’s missing the truth that that’s very similar to Sentinel’s own justification but he’s angry and hurt so he’s not seeing reality.
Clever writing, he didn't remember where he first met Optimus until he recalled a cybertronian who made a spelling mistake once.
The voice acting give me the impresion that this is like set in the TF animated series future (i know that the comic is from idw) a season Optimus and a tired Megatron witch i liked
“Keep it up.” Never imagined the regret those three words could bring
Sometimes it’s astonishing just how different IDW Megatron is depending on the comic.
It’s what makes his character so great honestly, how in this conversation we see how deep his evil really goes. Bit in More Than Meets The Eye and Lost Light, we see what he could change back into when given the right circumstances. It’s chilling, how they’re both undeniably Megatron but one makes us love to hate him and another makes us feel sorry for him.
What’s even more surprising is that this was written by the guy who wrote MTMTE. He did find a way to reconcile it, and it actually turned out rather well.
@@magnusprime962 What are you talking about? What do you mean?
I really love how "Sherma Bridge" might be a reference to Transformers Annual 1985 UK. That was technically the firs time they fought on the battlefield at the bridge. Plus, it was great how Optimus and Megatron were flexing the beatings they dealt to each other over the years like as if they were friends for a change.
To be fair, they'd done shit to one another that would put down lesser cybertronians. It be like watching humans getting shot and impaled constantly and still coming back to fight.
Well Roberts was a big fan of Marvel UK, so probably it was. For exemple Overlord was in The last stand of the Wreeckers as main villian because was Nich Roche (artist and writter of the comic) favorite figure when he was a kid xD
@@AlvaroMoragues Okay, that just seals it. Thanks for the info! This is my headcanon now.
@andrewowens4421 3 reasons to why they are still alive.
1. Plot
2. They both have 0.1% Sparks, the strongest kind of sparks that are harder to extinguish.
3. They are at the top of the patient care, while others would leak out or shut down They would get the best care with unlimited resources to build them the best reinforced bodies. It's crazy how much even a regular cybertronian can survive with immediate medical care.
@@andrewowens4421Yeah.. but in a more realistic sense it'd be like boxers, or football players that have crazy match up highlights against each other.
better storytelling and voice acting in 15 minutes than the entirety of galvatron's revenge
FUCK GALVATRON'S REVENGE
This reminds of Dr. Who’s Speech on the Zygon inversion.
“When you’ve killed all the bad guys, and it’s all perfect and just and fair, when you finally have got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The troublemakers? How are you going to protect your glorious revolution, from the next one?”
You know, the worst part here is the fact that I don't feel like these two got anywhere by the end of all of this conversation. It feels like they're at the exact same place, still. This is really a toxic relationship, and I don't mean it romantically. But they are seriously toxic to each other, not just as simple enemies.
Cybertronians canonically experience _lust._
And the fanfickers rejoiced.
Look up the term "Conjux Endura". That'll explain it all.
Aw, that's not news. Remember what Blackarachnia and Silverbolt were up to back in the day? XD
Not all lust is sexual.
@@thesupersonicstig this is accurate
Dear God…
1:49 Fun fact, the autobot Megatron was referring to here is Whirl. This was before the war, Megatron and Impactor were hanging out at a bar but got into a fight with others. Megatron was arrested despite not actually involved, in fact he was hiding under a table during the fight. That's when he met Whirl in the jail cell where he was then beaten up..
and then later on Whirl fucks up another mechanical lifeform's war because the good guys had an evil sounding name lmao
I'd say the mass arrest of the miners, their escape from imprisonment leading him to fight for survival in the pits of kaon had more to do with leading Megatron to start the war more than Whirl did.
Actually I originally thought Meg was referring to the bot that wanted to lobotomise him, I would totally support the overthrowing of a government that enforced that.
13:31 "the funny thing is... I know you're playing me... but you're right."
WHY does the DBZA Cell Games announcement track work so well for Megatron’s violent shift in philosophy and tactics???
It's not even the first time I used it with a Megatron dub actually
Bro he sounds like Cell at some points
I think it has to do with the dread of knowing what's coming. He goes walking off, like an ordinary citizen, while everyone is blissfully unaware of what the next several eons will be like.
That's also just cells theme
Cells theme is based in electrical notes. It also plays to a synced disharmony. TFS then took that them and altered it to create a feeling of foreboding dread by altering the rhythm and instruments. It was meant to be paired with a character that literally built himself into the perfect antagonist. It was altered to show that same type of character as a coming storm.
Megatron is literally all of that wrapped into one.
What I love here is in the middle of the talk Optimus try’s to literarily have a good friendly conversation with Megatron. Bringing up there last battles and expressing how much it was awesome or badass from there point of geeked and they both had a kick at it and where talking like buddies which I found awesome and cool
I live for these two old men.
I love it whenever these two talk. So much witty banter. So much intellectual energy between two political parties.
*"IN GUN MODE!"*
God DAMN! What an incredible dub! Optimus' patience being repeatedly tested, trying to figure out what goes on in Megatron's twisted processor, Megatron's simmering madness, that SCREAM of pain, and best of all, the Cell Games announcement theme as Megatron takes his first step toward becoming the monster we know. I tip my goddamn hat to you, sir.
Optimus said he thought he know Megatron. But I always thought it was because they fought a lot but I realised wayy too late that it actually from the flashback where Optimus read Megatron's ideas about reforming their political and life conditions including where Optimus gets his ideal "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" from.
Yall, am I the only one tripping at 5:27 ? Thats just straight up a screenshot from TFONE if D-16 had won. Dude, the TFONE crew did such a good job, holy shit man.
"And I don't think I ever thanked you..."
That's gotta be my favorite part. Fantastic delivery.
I love how they go through their past battles as though they were fond memories
Every time Megatron repeats for emphasis, I have to stifle a laugh- why is he sucha sassy b? Great work
theyre so unbelievably tragic it hurts me
This is honestly so damn good and I’m not even halfway through it.
Also, if you ever wanted to bring more people in to voice act for Transformers, hit me up. I’d be down for sure.
This Optimus sounds exactly what I imagined TFA Prime sounding like if he had been fighting for 4 million years. Amazing work!
IDW Megatron could have die in so many moments, but the power of the comic kept him alive
I like the fact that the broken window in the end looks in a way like the Decepticons’ badge.
1:52 The Autobot he’s talking about here is WHIRL, who beat up Megs while he was temporarily in jail (when he was still just a miner/gladiator/philosopher).
Love this, it's like Batman and Joker's Killing Joke Dialogue, just beautiful. A sitdown between the hero and villain about all their grievances.
every time I watch this I always have to go to the comic dub of megatron and ravage in mtmte. Just, the idea that megatron started realizing the venom in his own words. I like to think if this whole scene was animated, there's be a small moment where you could see Meg's vicious smile slightly faulter as the realization of what he said comes to his head
Can you imagine...IDW being animated as a series, for at least 4-5 seasons, I don't know how many it would actually take, but enough to tell the whole saga, even to get to this moment. Especially the way its presented here, the flashbacks, so finely edited in. This scene alone would be a season finale moment, and it would be glorious.
Everyone else has given their compliments and two cents on this video, so I’m just going to say how much I love how it sounds like you’re channelling David Kaye’s voice acting for both characters. His voices for both fit them so well, and you channel them perfectly.
I’ve never read the comics before, but this conversation is so good as well as the voice acting of it. A neat little thing I’ve noticed after a few rewatches is the meaning behind the focus onto the shattered glass at the end. It might be very simple and not too hard to notice but I genuinely enjoy the fact that the broken glass spot just resembles the Decepticon Logo. It’s so cool!
Bro your Megatron sounds like if david kay and DBZA perfect cell had a baby, seriously the perfect combination of sassy and menacing at the same time. Keep up thw good work and keep working on that Megatron voice because one day you might just get a chance to voice super robo hitler in something official!
Beautiful.
I mean. Megatron has a cannon arm. Makes sense to get it first.
You can sort of sympathise with Megatron here, I’m not saying he has any right to all of the damage he’s caused but his whole life has been hounded by the Autobots. From his years in the pits and the battles he endured to the Primes rejecting his vision of Cybertron to the betrayal of Orion when his vision was accepted by the Primes to Orion being turned into Optimus. He’s then been in a war against the Autobots for god knows how many years. It’s sad because him and Optimus were like brothers and Megatron’s noble self has been buried under years and years of hatred and anger and bloodlust where any conscious or cares for his soldiers has been replaced with a harsh brutality where he will do anything to win even if it means hurting or killing his own Decepticons.
That's from the Alligned continuity. And Orion didn't betray him, he went with Megatron to expose their ideas together to the council, how is it his fault that they prefered Orion over Megs given the way they both expressed themselves? Who are they gonna choose the violent one with thirst for power and revenge or the peacful more level headed one? He only saw it as a betrayal because of his massive ego, and even before then he had already ordered the Decepticons to commit acts of terrorism
@@cahe6161 I know Orion didn’t betray Megatron when the went to the council but the way Megatron saw it as Orion used him to get what he wanted. I know what you mean with Orion’s vision they saw a peaceful Cybertron whereas with Megatron’s vision they saw a future full of bodies and destruction.
This is IDW Megs you are talking about aligned
The Primes rejected his VIOLENT vision, and Orion didn't betray him at all. At heart, Megatron was never noble in the slightest, and deserved every single bit of the 'hounding' the Autobots gave him.
This feels like a conversations between lovers turned enemies....
damn, not even coka make you that high
It's pretty close to one. Megatron and Optimus developed a VERY close relationship. Of course, Orion Pax/Optimus ended up striking a position that was a little too sympathetic to the Functionists for Megatron, which shattered any hope of cooperation.
At the end of the day, Megatron sees himself as a revolutionary who was forced into violence/playing the villain to force Cybertron to change. He, up until he actually said killing gives him pleasure, thought this was all an act. On the other hand, Megatron sees Optimus as a charismatic leader that could have upended the Senate and ended Functionist rule if he actually wanted to. But when Orion Pax refused to, and became Optimus, that was a betrayal he couldn't abide by. Nonviolence is fine to Megatron; just don't apply it to a violent regime like the Cybertronian Senate.
Optimus sees Megatron as a former comrade who got lost trying to change the world. To Optimus, Megatron bit off more than he can chew, got locked into a persona he doesn't like, and knows it. Prime thinks of himself as Megatron, but with restraint. He worked within the system to try to change it, which makes him more effective.
They're both right about the other, and generally realize they're wrong about themselves during the Lost Light arc.
@@AAdams-ke4is Damn, I must ask you. Are these things about them in the IDW comics, or are they in the Exodus book trilogy? Can I ask how were they very close to each other exactly? As friends and comrades, I assume?
This was absolutely stellar!
I love every second of this video. Honestly dubs like these are such huge inspirations for what I wanna do. The storytelling mixed with the raw emotion in the voices work like clockwork to bring such a great story to life!
Keep up the fantastic work!
TFS Cell announces the Cell Games.
Nice.
The fact that they've been warring for millions of years is some still some horrifying shit to me. 😰
Even by human measures they would have been warring for an ungodly amount of time. Part of the reason is because they are machines they are effectively immortal so long as they have access to repairs and upgrades. Like Optimus and Megatron are basically old geezers in human terms, but they can keep fighting because of their "biological" nature. They've effectively _become_ war personified; and Optimus clearly has had enough while Megatron is still into it in a bad way.
If only Bay had a talk like this in DOTM. Instead, it was “Time to find out.” And slice! Pathetic. Megatron took the step to peace people! Sure, he may have betrayed Prime first chance he got, but G1 Prime at least tries to see the good in anyone. Even Meg’s
The novelization and other media had Prime accepting the truce but when it leaked they changed it so he killed him.
Well you have story leaks to thank for that death, before leaks it was going to be an actual story nd to the war
To be fair Mega did kill him in Age of extinction and assisted his mentor in betraying him so he didn’t really have that much reason to put faith in Megs lol
@@2bdaqueen268 Fair. Fair. But this is Optimus Prime we’re talking about. The real Prime would do everything in his power to bring peace to his people, even spare Megatron.
@@2bdaqueen268 You mean revenge of the fallen, not age of extinction (megatron was galvatron by that point) and if prime and megatron were going to form a truce in the original ending, then it shows prime did have a reason to trust megatron. The two literally would of teamed up against sentinel. Megatron isn't kidding about a goal when he sees teaming up with prime as a necessity to complete said goal
We seen enough prime/megatron team ups to see this
During their reminiscence, Idk why but it feels nice watching 2 enemies sit down and play the “you did this and I did that” conversation. I know it’s for exposition to show how long and how many fights they’ve had, but man it just feels like they’re bonding over something for once.
5:13 incredible how this quick bit referencing the Knights of cybertron set up the whole Lost Light run. In fact it was supposed to be a quick throwaway but since the co-writer (James Roberts) of this couple of issues then became the writer of MTMTE/Lost Light he used things like this and Whirl appereance as foundaments of his future series.
This Optimus Prime voice reminds me of David Kaye’s take on the Autobot Leader.
And Megatron is clearly based on David Kaye’s take on him! Lol
Bro, imagine if David Kaye voiced both Optimus & Megatron. That would be awesome.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios He's definitely talented enough.
I gotta say, I think I prefer this voice for optimus during this exchange. Nice work man
This is some great VA fandub - subscribed!
I will still never understand why megatron surrendered
Well this time he did it as a trap to finish off all the autobots on earth. Would have succeeded if not for a greater evil emerging.
@@HORRIOR1A certain one-eyed mad scientist.
@@muigokublack6487 no that happened later. This time it was a universe with an attitude problem.
His body has an in-built spacebridge. He was supposed to open a portal to let the decepticons attack the autobots from within their own ship, but he never got the chance before they had to deal with D-void
As soon as I saw the title ‘The Conversation’ I knew in my heart what it was gonna be, and I’m so glad I was right
chills literal thills the music the timing and i love how this is a little inspired by david kaye's megatron god if you can ever do the rest of it when hot rod says it was gonna a little cozy in there wow
The cannon arm you always go for the cannon arm.
You represented the characters very well with your voices here, I think. I always imagined IDW Optimus sounded just like this, and the voice for Megatron suits his design quite well in these scenes. Thank you
Even they were in different sides and points of view they have great respect for each other almost you can say friend enemies
Im regretting not reading at least this comic. A civil conversation between arch enemies.
Trapped in Gun Mode for two years are definitely nightmare for Megatron. because he genuinely hate his Gun Mode so much to the point he only transform when he only genuinely needed it. no wonder why he rarely transform in G1.
Damn! One of my favorite TF scenes ever, and its done damn well here! Bravo sir
I think, down near the bottom of their souls, by where their Sparks begin to touch metal, they bith wish they could be friends.
i love this voice for megs with this design
The designs are so good in this!
Optimus looks like his movie self!
Well, I suppose the closest space is only ever reserved for two people. The soulmate and the greatest enemy.
6:53-6:55
Prime: "You cost me an army".
Megatron: "You cost me an arm".
Just a small thing, but I think ir really shows the differences between these two.
Tip for transformers voices, use the "space marine" filter in voicemod if you have it. Its meant for marines, but if you pitch it up or down depending on your pitch it makes for a fantastic TF voice. Sadly I was born without the bass to pull off a good Optimus voice, but I've got the inflections down pat. So that filter is like, a godsend XD
I keep rewatching this, and there's only one thought in my head what I want to write down right now. This video is my only response and message to everyone who says that Transformers is just for children, or that it has no potential to be a philosophically and emotionally deep movie franchise masterpiece. The Michael Bay movies truly didn't do it justice in this regard.
It could have been interesting conversation between D-16 and Orion Pax, after they became Optimus Prime and Megatron
I can still remember vividly seeing the start of the first episode of Transformers Cybertron and being in aw, like what is this awesomeness? Oh how little I knew how fast I would fall, head first, down that rabbit hole of Transformers and their war.
You know what would make this scene better?
TFG2-style robotic speech bubbles and fonts. That is all.
Great dub 👍
Idw is peak transformers
Nice, using a bit of Perfect Cell's theme at the end there
Granted i know that rearranged version cos of TFS but it's just from the actual show.
We NEEDED a scene like that in the live action movies. The action scenes are awesome, but a scene like this, where the two most famous characters of the franchise just sit in front of each other and talk about their long history and conflicted views would've made the movie it would've been in even better in my opinion.
Some times war can make people insane. Megatron is no exception
Gary Chalk as Optimus and Corey Burton as Megatron voicing over this would be freaking amazing. If they ever made a show adapting IDW they should have Gary and Corey return for the roles.
What a song to end on. Its.....perfect.
I hope one day we’ll get a conversation between Optimus and Megatron on the big screen, perhaps in a sequel to Transformers One. No fighting, just a battle of ideology.
"HATE, HATE, LET ME TELL YOU, HOW COME I'VE COME TO HATE YOU..."
Great job with the cadence and inflections. This is fantastic!
My coffee is cold from listening. Great job
There were these two guys in a lunatic asylum...And one night, one night they decide they don't like living in an asylum any more. They decide they're going to escape! So, like, they get up onto the roof, and there, just across this narrow gap, they see the rooftops of the town, stretching away in the moon light... stretching away to freedom. Now, the first guy, he jumps right across with no problem. But his friend, his friend did not dare make the leap. Y'see... Y'see, he's afraid of falling. So then, the first guy has an idea... He says 'Hey! I have my flashlight with me! I'll shine it across the gap between the buildings. You can walk along the beam and join me!' B-but the second guy just shakes his head. He suh-says... He says 'Wh-what do you think I am? Crazy? You'd turn it off when I was half way across!'
How does this apply?
I love how a robot takes a calming breathe....😂
Wow, I’m honestly surprised I don’t see stuff like this more often
Absolutely loved this dub