Great work Steve. I loved how you gave us all the information we needed to make our own decisions. I realise this wasn’t possible with the braid video so it is great to see how you were able to navigate through all this for the fluoro.
Thanks for confirming in my mind about the performance of the Crystal line from Schneider...I guess the Barra boys will be reconsidering leader choices now...personally I have been using the Schneider crystal off the rocks for the last 12 months...cheers B.J.
I only ever use Ocea leader so seeing it come through in all those results made me feel like I was watching the race #3 at Randwick! GO YOU GOOD THING!
After some research and having viewed some videos on flurocarbon leaders, I bought Shimano Ocea Leader 25lb and 30lb, and so far I can say that the 25lb is not as tough as expected . It get cuts and other damage easily along the line and it has a weak knot strength (especially when there is impact or shock). It has low memory and low visibility though (clear line) compared to some other fluorocarbon lines which are more on the white/cloudy side.
@@redtobertshateshandles the knots hold well in the case of other good fluoro and mono (nylon and copolymer) fishing lines, even in some lower quality lines. I am speaking about Ocea Leader only here, not the whole Shimano brand. Ocea Leader is simply not as good as expected and claimed. It gets cut easily and breaks off easily if rubbed on rock or coral (even the 30lb; I lost a fish of less than 20lb after line snapped somwhere where there was no knot but probably got damaged by a structure), and as mentioned, the 25lb snapped at knots when there is a shock or impact.
Great tests, really well done. If you are keen to do some more playing with numbers, I know it isn’t apples to apples as the sand paper was different grits, I was wondering what the braid cross section to the fluoro would be. And I don’t know how you would do it, as I have no idea when it comes to light, but is there a way to tell how visible the lines were, or see how they refract light? Probably too hard and expensive to test though. While I’m asking for the world, did you notice the suppleness and knotting abilities were much different between lines? Thanks.
Always used FC rock and Asari . Asari when I can find and afford it hands down superior in every way . Jack fishing 30m doesn’t go a long way but . Have yet to try the Schneider crystal clear but super keen to give it a go after this video
Good effort guys. We really do appreciate it 🙏 Those top 4 ay... Targeting flathead It's going to be hard to go past the abrasion resistance of that schneider crystal clear.
May be, strength is not a function of diameter (mm), but area of cross-section (mm^2). I would be interesting to see the difference between the two graphs.
Pretty interesting results there. Do you think you would ever test lines lower in strength? I wonder if there is much difference in say a 4lb leader in strength and thickness. I'm sure there are a few bream fishermen that would be interested.
Everyone of these videos I watch I wonder why the line testing machines don't test the elongation of the line at the same time. The info can be plotted on an x/y graph with stretch (displacement) on the X and force on the Y. Knowing the area of the line you can get the Normal Stress of the line (F/A) and that's the Y. Then knowing the elongation (displacement) you can divide that by original length giving you the normal strain of the line on the X. This tells you so much more about the line.
We actually ran through some 20lb mono on the test day to show how much superior it was. The one sample we did ended up mid-pack. 🤷🏼♂️ But definitely a good future test.
@@FishingMonthly wow so different results to the whole salt strong tests.... I am guessing it wasn't the Schneider Krystal one that you showed in the abt videos?
I think marketing is one of the biggest issues here. I bet if you added 15lb Berkley Vanish in this test it would actually have scored much higher in overall performance.
A little secret is normal nylon out performs fluorocarbon in knot strength & abrasiveness easily & is dirt cheap in comparison. It's not invisible in water but neither is fluro, just have a look for yourself. For maybe a slight advantage in clear water it's more than 4 times the price. I still use fluro cause i had a stock of it in many line classes & rarely bust leaders in lake Mac. But if your on a tight budget you can drop 5 pounds in nylon & have no downside except in clear winter water.
Well it looks like I’ve got a lot of choice! Very surprised V Hard was bottom of the pile re abrasion resistance - like it’s name says it is quite hard. Interesting.
Remember that it's just a bench test. If it's working for you in the real world, then keep using it. Overall, there's not that much difference between all of them.
Schneider crystal clear suffix 100% and finally Shimano Oceanic that's the way my money would go but I've got to admit I'll probably go with the suffix 100% just depends on which one of the tourists cheapest when I buy or if I'm literally going for crystal clear
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Hi, this is such a good test and review. Are you aware of any companies doing test like you did in Europe or the US? I've got some fly fishing leader lines I'd like them to test. Or else, would you be interested to test some line if I were to ship it to you? Flyfishing leader pocket size spool cost a leg so I am not planning on shipping a whole pack just a few...
Not that I know of ..... it's not our testing machines - we used the ones from Platypus fishing lines in Brisbane, Australia. You might be able to reach out to them to see if they do outside tests....
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@@FishingMonthly Thanks! Turns out there is one organization in the US doing their own testing called IGFA.org (validating world record catch) they only test the breaking point to "qualify" and validate a world record. Downside is, it cost 40USD per test and per line so it's not that cheap!!!! ruclips.net/video/AXJ74B1Tfpc/видео.html
Would’t it be different if tested underwater? Heat transfer is different underwater. Also in reality the structures or teeth of fish are sharper than 240 grit paper
Great vid. It sure would’ve been easier on you to not to have done all the math if you’d have purchased them based on as close to equal diameter than what the box says they’re rated at. I pay no attention to lb test #s when I compare. Similar diameter only.
Without knots involved the tests are useless. I can micrometer my own line. I keep my line away from abrasion. I buy the big spools of Vanish not the tiny expensive spool of leader stuff. IMO it's exactly the same.
Great work Steve. I loved how you gave us all the information we needed to make our own decisions. I realise this wasn’t possible with the braid video so it is great to see how you were able to navigate through all this for the fluoro.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for confirming in my mind about the performance of the Crystal line from Schneider...I guess the Barra boys will be reconsidering leader choices now...personally I have been using the Schneider crystal off the rocks for the last 12 months...cheers B.J.
Fantastic! Clearly a LOT of work, but very valuable info' for keen fishers. Well done.
Much appreciated!
Amazing video, I keep coming back to it to check things. Great work Steve!
Superb video! Just went into my local tackle store and bought a few spools of Schneiders....
Great to hear!
Excellent video - very helpful particularly for those new to fishing, as it can be very confronting at a tackle store
Thank you.
I only ever use Ocea leader so seeing it come through in all those results made me feel like I was watching the race #3 at Randwick! GO YOU GOOD THING!
Hahaha. There's nothing like validation.
Great video was exactly what I was keen to see. Thanks for making the video
No problem 👍
After some research and having viewed some videos on flurocarbon leaders, I bought Shimano Ocea Leader 25lb and 30lb, and so far I can say that the 25lb is not as tough as expected . It get cuts and other damage easily along the line and it has a weak knot strength (especially when there is impact or shock). It has low memory and low visibility though (clear line) compared to some other fluorocarbon lines which are more on the white/cloudy side.
It's all about knot strength. Not tested and the results are useless. Did their brand not tie well???
@@redtobertshateshandles the knots hold well in the case of other good fluoro and mono (nylon and copolymer) fishing lines, even in some lower quality lines. I am speaking about Ocea Leader only here, not the whole Shimano brand. Ocea Leader is simply not as good as expected and claimed. It gets cut easily and breaks off easily if rubbed on rock or coral (even the 30lb; I lost a fish of less than 20lb after line snapped somwhere where there was no knot but probably got damaged by a structure), and as mentioned, the 25lb snapped at knots when there is a shock or impact.
Steve that was really great and it will be very helpful to know what to use.
Kind regards john
Thank you very much for your exhaustive tests and good analysis. Very good and valuable job!
this is what the analysis that i want. hope more type can be compare in the future
Great tests, really well done. If you are keen to do some more playing with numbers, I know it isn’t apples to apples as the sand paper was different grits, I was wondering what the braid cross section to the fluoro would be.
And I don’t know how you would do it, as I have no idea when it comes to light, but is there a way to tell how visible the lines were, or see how they refract light? Probably too hard and expensive to test though.
While I’m asking for the world, did you notice the suppleness and knotting abilities were much different between lines?
Thanks.
We did run a FC on the braid sandpaper and the one test went over 400 rotations. Most braids were less than 50.
Well done! 👍
Thank you! 👍
A complete and flawless test.
Bravo 👏!
Interesting and thorough Steve!! Good job man 😚👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video,I wish they had one about braid line also...great work!
Always used FC rock and Asari . Asari when I can find and afford it hands down superior in every way . Jack fishing 30m doesn’t go a long way but .
Have yet to try the Schneider crystal clear but super keen to give it a go after this video
Very interesting, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
Well done mate 👏
Very helpful information thank you
Good effort guys.
We really do appreciate it 🙏
Those top 4 ay...
Targeting flathead It's going to be hard to go past the abrasion resistance of that schneider crystal clear.
May be, strength is not a function of diameter (mm), but area of cross-section (mm^2). I would be interesting to see the difference between the two graphs.
Pretty interesting results there. Do you think you would ever test lines lower in strength? I wonder if there is much difference in say a 4lb leader in strength and thickness. I'm sure there are a few bream fishermen that would be interested.
We will get there …. Gotta crawl before we run.
Everyone of these videos I watch I wonder why the line testing machines don't test the elongation of the line at the same time. The info can be plotted on an x/y graph with stretch (displacement) on the X and force on the Y. Knowing the area of the line you can get the Normal Stress of the line (F/A) and that's the Y. Then knowing the elongation (displacement) you can divide that by original length giving you the normal strain of the line on the X. This tells you so much more about the line.
Keen to see how mono compares to fc as leader material.
We actually ran through some 20lb mono on the test day to show how much superior it was. The one sample we did ended up mid-pack. 🤷🏼♂️ But definitely a good future test.
@@FishingMonthly wow so different results to the whole salt strong tests.... I am guessing it wasn't the Schneider Krystal one that you showed in the abt videos?
Good on you guys - great data! Welcome to my world haha!
Thanks! 😃
Sounds like Schneider is the winner for overall performance and good value as well
I think marketing is one of the biggest issues here. I bet if you added 15lb Berkley Vanish in this test it would actually have scored much higher in overall performance.
Berkley Vanish is strong stuff.
A little secret is normal nylon out performs fluorocarbon in knot strength & abrasiveness easily & is dirt cheap in comparison. It's not invisible in water but neither is fluro, just have a look for yourself. For maybe a slight advantage in clear water it's more than 4 times the price. I still use fluro cause i had a stock of it in many line classes & rarely bust leaders in lake Mac. But if your on a tight budget you can drop 5 pounds in nylon & have no downside except in clear winter water.
Fantastic video! Thank you!
I haven’t watched yet but if something beats Sunline V Hard I’m going to buy it
Well it looks like I’ve got a lot of choice! Very surprised V Hard was bottom of the pile re abrasion resistance - like it’s name says it is quite hard. Interesting.
Remember that it's just a bench test. If it's working for you in the real world, then keep using it. Overall, there's not that much difference between all of them.
Great video. Please do more product comparison bids.
They take lots of time - we do them where we can.
Fascinating viewing. I admire your rigour. I will be reconsidering my purchases in future.
Thank you.
Good stuff Steve
Hey mate where am I able to purchase the suffix invisiline.
Try your local tackle store.
Schneider crystal clear suffix 100% and finally Shimano Oceanic that's the way my money would go but I've got to admit I'll probably go with the suffix 100% just depends on which one of the tourists cheapest when I buy or if I'm literally going for crystal clear
Hi, this is such a good test and review. Are you aware of any companies doing test like you did in Europe or the US? I've got some fly fishing leader lines I'd like them to test. Or else, would you be interested to test some line if I were to ship it to you? Flyfishing leader pocket size spool cost a leg so I am not planning on shipping a whole pack just a few...
Not that I know of ..... it's not our testing machines - we used the ones from Platypus fishing lines in Brisbane, Australia. You might be able to reach out to them to see if they do outside tests....
@@FishingMonthly Thanks! Turns out there is one organization in the US doing their own testing called IGFA.org (validating world record catch) they only test the breaking point to "qualify" and validate a world record. Downside is, it cost 40USD per test and per line so it's not that cheap!!!! ruclips.net/video/AXJ74B1Tfpc/видео.html
legends, great video!
good job sir,i from malaysia
And how does mono compare to fluoro relative to abrasion resistance?
Has anyone tried the berkley flourished is it any good?
Yes mate, used it ever since it came out. For leader material it's strong. Affordable too.
Would’t it be different if tested underwater? Heat transfer is different underwater. Also in reality the structures or teeth of fish are sharper than 240 grit paper
Excellent….👏
Thank you! Cheers!
Great vid. It sure would’ve been easier on you to not to have done all the math if you’d have purchased them based on as close to equal diameter than what the box says they’re rated at. I pay no attention to lb test #s when I compare. Similar diameter only.
No Seaguar or P-line??!
Not commonly available here.
So basically fluorocarbon stretches just as much as mono
Could you do this with mono fishing lines
great vid mate
Thanks 👍
Without knots involved the tests are useless. I can micrometer my own line. I keep my line away from abrasion. I buy the big spools of Vanish not the tiny expensive spool of leader stuff. IMO it's exactly the same.
Not everyone keeps their line away from abrasion, but good for you.
Can't believe how good the Schneider goes in estuary, dams and offshore. Will never use anything else again! Bye bye FC Rock!
Can u do 6lb please?
Show the vanish numbers not a good line PU