Misha could also simply say: This is a song from my band Periphery, this is how you play it. It isn't a must to tell the audience who exactly wrote a certain riff, but doing so shows respect for your bandmembers.
if you have watched many interviews with him, he is very proud of his role in assembling a team of incredibly talented musicians, as he should be. His aim was to have that, so he takes pride in all the members' contributions.
actually periphery is a full line up of decent people. they all respect each other and think highly of the musicianship they have. many people ask why they dont release p3 instrumentally or do instrumental tours. they love and respect spencer, thats why. nothing but respect for these guys
This is a cool example of how different all these guys are as players, Mark's done a ton of lessons on this song already and when you compare the 2 it's neat to see how the pretty dramatically different way they pick their notes out comes together and sounds good
P2 and P3 are masterpieces to my ears. Same with the joy of motion and the madness of many by animals as leaders. 4 of my favorite albums of all time honestly. Just saw both of them live on the tour they are on now and both of them absolutely KILLED IT!!! Not only are both bands amazing composers and songwriters and technically amazing skillful musicians, but they also nail each song each night live just as good as the album studio version. There are no studio magic with these 2 bands, they can play all this crazy shit live and actually sound better live than the album recorded version. This song is actually one of the most simple straight forward Periphery songs there is. Haha but still love the catchiness of it and how they add little things here and there that are signature Periphery style.
He doesn't know theory but can create all those cool riffs and melodies, that makes him a guitar genius . Dedication and passion for guitar at it's best!
I know you made this comment 8 months ago, but I'm learning music theory right now, and I dont fully understand. Is it necessary to specify that the melodic minor is parallel to the natural minor used for the chord progression? Would it mean something different if the two minors were relative? How would that work?
I don't think it was necessarily in a melodic minor, (tbh it just sounds like he is outlining a few chord tones over the progression with a few variation in the rhythms he plays) and besides, you don't really need to know theory in order to play really good solos. He probably just knows the guitar fretboard well enough and how to move around it that he can just think "I want it to sound like this" and then he can instantly find the notes on the fretboard. No real theory involved
@@sesarise I think some don't realize they "know" theory bc they never formally learned it. Others try to make it seem like they don't know theory to keep everyone else from feeling bad. Honestly idk theory and play by ear and tabs. I can improv but it's very limited.
Its not required yes; but if youre a working professional and have the time to work it into your schedule, it is foolish not to learn it. Especially if you want to gig independently someday! But as I said there’s plenty professional players who don’t know it. Though I will say this, in my experience: after 15 years of ignoring learning theory, because I felt I was ‘too cool for school’ basically; once I finally did teach myself basic notation of the fret board, different scale modes, and all the rest going back to how it all relates to a piano, how to understand everything about timing/what it all means etc., I was able to not only communicate better with other independent pro’s (“Hey man let’s cut a quick groove in the key of ‘A’, and maybe try building a solo off that Dorian style lick you played earlier.” That’s a slightly unrealistic/geeky example but yea),, but I also am able to write better/more efficiently now especially if I am at a writing ‘wall,’ I can move around the fretboard a little more melodically, now that I know exactly what I am doing music-wise. Yeah music is just “sound”, so you can get plenty far ignoring the theory that makes it sound the way it does, and just going off your ear (as I did for the first 15 years); but, from a once-young-now-coming-of-age player like myself, I’d say to the newer players just to stay open to the idea of some day learning the theory/meaning behind it all. 🎶 But I wanna stress/reiterate, as I believe this is most important: there’s no right or wrong to making music. Just knowledge to gain and art to express.
There's nothing wrong if you don't know theory, but there's also nothing wrong with learning theory. What really matters are the players and how they communicate with one another for them to understand. In my band, I know theory, and I'm the drummer. Everybody else knows little to nothing, but they write great stuff and we work together really well and know how to communicate.
I have a rare disease where I poop everytime a new person I've never met looks at me. I'm a real good guitar player but I could never play in front of anyone ever but when I play this song I feel like a rockstar! Thanks Misha!
"We did a catchy chord progression over blast beats, beacause.... why not." lol. That was my thought from the first time I heard the song. I was like chorus is all blast beats?? what?? why?? and then i thought to myself.... meh... why not
misha "i dont know theory" but has the rhythmic brain of a god and has great melodic sense when hes so self deprecating it just makes u feel worse bc u know theory and that level of talent is unreachable still amazing to see 😊
Hi Misha, how long before a new album? Can't wait to hear some new stuff, please include song from marks jam up bias video, the middle one, such a sick tune, you guys are the best!
This song is so difficult for me to play, anyone have any tips for upstrokes, that's what always gets me. Ive been playing for almost 10 years and still cannot do upstrokes
Pretty sick signature misha. How u like the peavey setup? I run a classic 50 and 100 through a port city 4x12 with two creams and v30s (444). Great speaker combo to me.
Don't know how I feel about them not knowing theory.... they write some tricky stuff that seems to work so how can they do that consistently without knowing anything
Trial and error. You can get just as far by not knowing what you’re doing musically, it just takes a little bit more time with trial and error. Truth is, most musicians inadvertently know more theory than they want to admit. A lot of things guitarists must to know in order to play in key are things directly tied to music theory. The more ya know, mang.
Well, they don't know theory as in they don't know names and stuff, but they certainly "know" theory. Their ear knows theory and how to harmonise. They can discern movements and minor from major and much more. It's just more internal and without the fancy names. I know theory but I can't hear what these guys hear in their heads. Theory's just a way to communicate a bunch of collected information through the ages. The information is sonic, so a good ear develops most basic theory on its own.
Aeolus based on seeing mark playing around with chords improvising, it’s second nature to him. Misha has had to learn it instead, and it’s completely opposite to his “style”
does anyone feel that each periphery guitarists have their 'best' playing riff? for example, i think mark plays 'the way the news goes' best of all 3 guitarists, and bulb plays 'marigold' best of all, and jake plays 'luck as a constant' best
Here’s a guitar lesson. I have no idea what I’m doing and I don’t know how to explain it other than try to play it like this and it will sound really good.. alright everyone ready???? Here we gooooo….
What?!! I give it a huge thumbs up. Props #1: I can't think of any drummers that would have even thought to blast through an epic sounding chorus like that...I know I wouldn't have. Props #2: Then in the second half of the chorus, he keeps the blasts, but gives you the accented snares on 3 that you wanted in the first place. Perfection.
If anything that makes them more impressive to me because it means they have to write entirely based on feel. Then again I'm a huge periphery fan so my opinion may be biased in their favor
You're a professional musician, learn theory. It's the language of Music. You're selling yourself short by not learning theory for this instrument and many others.
When did I ever say he wouldn't or isn't a successful guitarist? I simply said, why not improve your skills by learning Theory? Do you have something wrong with learning Theory?
You are tearing me apart, Mishaaaaa!
oh hi Mark
periphery: *is one of the biggest proggersive metal bands*
Misha: "none of the us in the band know theory"
I love it how Misha pays credit to Mark as the writer of the introriff
Probably because Mark wrote the intro riff. Don't you think?
Misha could also simply say: This is a song from my band Periphery, this is how you play it.
It isn't a must to tell the audience who exactly wrote a certain riff, but doing so shows respect for your bandmembers.
if you have watched many interviews with him, he is very proud of his role in assembling a team of incredibly talented musicians, as he should be. His aim was to have that, so he takes pride in all the members' contributions.
SonicTheatre True djentlemen
actually periphery is a full line up of decent people. they all respect each other and think highly of the musicianship they have.
many people ask why they dont release p3 instrumentally or do instrumental tours. they love and respect spencer, thats why.
nothing but respect for these guys
This is a cool example of how different all these guys are as players, Mark's done a ton of lessons on this song already and when you compare the 2 it's neat to see how the pretty dramatically different way they pick their notes out comes together and sounds good
The fact that Periphery 3 was written in such a short amount of time is amazing
The Riff at 9:03... one of my favorites... simple, but groovy, happy and heavy...
sameeeeee. I could listen to it all-day
P2 and P3 are masterpieces to my ears. Same with the joy of motion and the madness of many by animals as leaders. 4 of my favorite albums of all time honestly. Just saw both of them live on the tour they are on now and both of them absolutely KILLED IT!!! Not only are both bands amazing composers and songwriters and technically amazing skillful musicians, but they also nail each song each night live just as good as the album studio version. There are no studio magic with these 2 bands, they can play all this crazy shit live and actually sound better live than the album recorded version. This song is actually one of the most simple straight forward Periphery songs there is. Haha but still love the catchiness of it and how they add little things here and there that are signature Periphery style.
He doesn't know theory but can create all those cool riffs and melodies, that makes him a guitar genius . Dedication and passion for guitar at it's best!
Periphery is QUICKLY becoming a HUGE influence on me! Luv it, Thanx Sweetwater and thank u Misha for all u guys do...
Misha: "I don't know theory"
Misha: *plays solo in parallel melodic minor over a natural minor progression
I know you made this comment 8 months ago, but I'm learning music theory right now, and I dont fully understand. Is it necessary to specify that the melodic minor is parallel to the natural minor used for the chord progression? Would it mean something different if the two minors were relative? How would that work?
odd flex but ok
I don't think it was necessarily in a melodic minor, (tbh it just sounds like he is outlining a few chord tones over the progression with a few variation in the rhythms he plays) and besides, you don't really need to know theory in order to play really good solos. He probably just knows the guitar fretboard well enough and how to move around it that he can just think "I want it to sound like this" and then he can instantly find the notes on the fretboard. No real theory involved
Hey, to anyone reading this please reply.
Why do some musicians lie about knowing theory
@@sesarise I think some don't realize they "know" theory bc they never formally learned it. Others try to make it seem like they don't know theory to keep everyone else from feeling bad. Honestly idk theory and play by ear and tabs. I can improv but it's very limited.
Haha so funny how mark and misha just play it both without mistake, but it sounds totally different ☝️
So it comes all down to the player.
Now I don't feel bad not knowing theory
So many professional musicians don't know theory, it's not a requirement at all!
Misha Mansoor Wow. Out of curiosity, how do you typically write? I usually just go by ear and what feels right.
Its not required yes; but if youre a working professional and have the time to work it into your schedule, it is foolish not to learn it. Especially if you want to gig independently someday!
But as I said there’s plenty professional players who don’t know it. Though I will say this, in my experience: after 15 years of ignoring learning theory, because I felt I was ‘too cool for school’ basically; once I finally did teach myself basic notation of the fret board, different scale modes, and all the rest going back to how it all relates to a piano, how to understand everything about timing/what it all means etc., I was able to not only communicate better with other independent pro’s (“Hey man let’s cut a quick groove in the key of ‘A’, and maybe try building a solo off that Dorian style lick you played earlier.” That’s a slightly unrealistic/geeky example but yea),, but I also am able to write better/more efficiently now especially if I am at a writing ‘wall,’ I can move around the fretboard a little more melodically, now that I know exactly what I am doing music-wise.
Yeah music is just “sound”, so you can get plenty far ignoring the theory that makes it sound the way it does, and just going off your ear (as I did for the first 15 years); but, from a once-young-now-coming-of-age player like myself, I’d say to the newer players just to stay open to the idea of some day learning the theory/meaning behind it all. 🎶
But I wanna stress/reiterate, as I believe this is most important: there’s no right or wrong to making music. Just knowledge to gain and art to express.
I’m fast approaching 30 now, and play primarily Bass, for anyone curious of the background.
There's nothing wrong if you don't know theory, but there's also nothing wrong with learning theory. What really matters are the players and how they communicate with one another for them to understand. In my band, I know theory, and I'm the drummer. Everybody else knows little to nothing, but they write great stuff and we work together really well and know how to communicate.
Love Periphery and Misha 🤘🏻🎸
"None of us in the band know theory", wait what about NOLLY!? Oh wait... I forgot...
Adam Jones too soon
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I have a rare disease where I poop everytime a new person I've never met looks at me. I'm a real good guitar player but I could never play in front of anyone ever but when I play this song I feel like a rockstar! Thanks Misha!
I love how casual Misha talks about their musical choises within a song. "because, why not"
Nice to see Misha breaking down the riff at 2:49 which Mark didn't in his playthrough video
I'm more impressed by that "i don't know theory"
Those frets are brighter than my future.
That doesn’t say much
Thanks, Mr. Bulb
Oh, how he makes it look so easy!
"We did a catchy chord progression over blast beats, beacause.... why not." lol. That was my thought from the first time I heard the song. I was like chorus is all blast beats?? what?? why?? and then i thought to myself.... meh... why not
Those chords at 4:00 remind me a lot of "Time" by Hans Zimmer
You are absolutely right, I never noticed that before
Exactly what I was going to say.
Just commented the same thing and right afterwards I read this comment, so I deleted it. Awesome sounding chord progression!
That is what i was thinking
It reminds me SO MUCH of Never Forget off of Halo 3
Oh my god, the chorus is "Time" from the Inception score!
Informative, helpful, and dope as fck.
I'd love more instrumental albums of this dropped, juicy, tonefest Misha's hosting.
Great stuff mate, thanks for that
That melody is superb
misha "i dont know theory" but has the rhythmic brain of a god and has great melodic sense
when hes so self deprecating it just makes u feel worse bc u know theory and that level of talent is unreachable
still amazing to see 😊
Beautiful riff song❤️
Hi Misha, how long before a new album? Can't wait to hear some new stuff, please include song from marks jam up bias video, the middle one, such a sick tune, you guys are the best!
Not Misha, but I hope you are already gushing all over Hail Stan? ;-)
1:53 is like perfect worship tone lolol
was honestly surprised when he said none of them knew theory, but just goes to show you...
jason cafone nolly does, but now he is gone so whatever lol
There needs to a an instrumental Version of this album.... id buy it in a second
Like the "Producer Pack"?
wut?!
buy "producer pack" version from their latest album
Robert Cuff
Ah yes, gotta get that periphery as leaders sound.
Nice choice with the Nomos!
Misha, someone from Sweetwater, ANYONE, please tell me what those Strymon Timeline settings are for the part at 8:44
Nm i figured it out
Very tasty riff. i loved it
Great riffs!
Friggin awesome.
I could appreciate more that chorus done slowly like that...
MY DREAM GUITAR
+MishaMansoor Which algorithm are you using on the Timeline ? dBucket, dTape or Lo-Fi ? Love the modulation !
I feel encouraged that even guys as big these dont know theory and still kill it in the industry!
That's my new favorite saying: "blast beats: because, why not?"
where can i get that shirt???
This song is so difficult for me to play, anyone have any tips for upstrokes, that's what always gets me. Ive been playing for almost 10 years and still cannot do upstrokes
That tones 👌👌👌👌
Is that a Nomos watch he's wearing?
What string gauge does he use? Seems like its still tight..
it would be nice if he shared the backing track so we begginers can practice ;)
Chords at 4:30 sounds like hans zimmer time
Camera angle and cut is realy off.
The guy is so fire
Mark nails that lick.
Mark is like: bro...and if i play it? well?
I knew it's their song, but my mind feeling weird watching non-mraky play this song
Pretty sick signature misha. How u like the peavey setup? I run a classic 50 and 100 through a port city 4x12 with two creams and v30s (444). Great speaker combo to me.
Don't know how I feel about them not knowing theory.... they write some tricky stuff that seems to work so how can they do that consistently without knowing anything
Just use your ear!
hard work?
Trial and error. You can get just as far by not knowing what you’re doing musically, it just takes a little bit more time with trial and error.
Truth is, most musicians inadvertently know more theory than they want to admit. A lot of things guitarists must to know in order to play in key are things directly tied to music theory.
The more ya know, mang.
Well, they don't know theory as in they don't know names and stuff, but they certainly "know" theory. Their ear knows theory and how to harmonise. They can discern movements and minor from major and much more. It's just more internal and without the fancy names. I know theory but I can't hear what these guys hear in their heads. Theory's just a way to communicate a bunch of collected information through the ages. The information is sonic, so a good ear develops most basic theory on its own.
I was gonna say just growing up listening to good music, it creates a good ear which he cleary uses, i see Misha already answered though.
Would’ve been nice if the chord names at 4:07 were displayed, can’t really tell by looking at his left hand
oh hi mark
I did not hit her I did naht
You tearing me apart misha!
Yeah, that chorus is definitely influenced by Hans Zimmer's Inception soundtrack. Great stuff!
I'm stealing all the chords from this video.
He's great, but it still feels different when Mark plays it.
Aeolus based on seeing mark playing around with chords improvising, it’s second nature to him. Misha has had to learn it instead, and it’s completely opposite to his “style”
The chorus sounds like Deafheaven
"None of us in the band know theory." Could have fooled me. Jesus Christ lol
But it’s not tuned 😢😢😢
This song has chords but not a single one is new or fun.
I'm hitting the strings in dissonance...
your comment is boring
Pin Ball lol someone doesnt understand this
Whats the reference
+14 Aspen Drive these are the lyrics in the song. They just removed vocals for this playthrough
What is his string gauge ??
stathis tsif I believe its 11-56
Xeno Zekken on the site that specified his gauges it said 10-52 for drop C, could be changed now tho
Mark made this sound so much better.
i thought mark knew theory...
Last chord prog was very Hans Zimmer
does anyone feel that each periphery guitarists have their 'best' playing riff? for example, i think mark plays 'the way the news goes' best of all 3 guitarists, and bulb plays 'marigold' best of all, and jake plays 'luck as a constant' best
Lol, each of them wrote each of those riffs
5:06 wtf
That Jackson custom doesnt even look like a Jackson. Jackson guitars are cool I have one but that is a nice guitar
When Misha's rig and guitar cost more than your car, guitars, and rig.....
Chorus note arrangement reminiscent of time from Inception...nevertheless Periphery is amazing
Wubba lubba dub dub!!
Stop it. Get some help
Oh Typical Mark haha I get it
Here’s a guitar lesson. I have no idea what I’m doing and I don’t know how to explain it other than try to play it like this and it will sound really good.. alright everyone ready???? Here we gooooo….
Waawaawa no one asked
I could listen to instrumental Periphery songs for ever, but with vocals it wears me off in 10 minutes.
First lul
The way the who goes?
Get a man who can do both.
Mark plays It better :V
🙄 the world distorted....
I love this song but the blast beats ruined the chorus for me.
you have an opinion, thanks for sharing
What?!! I give it a huge thumbs up. Props #1: I can't think of any drummers that would have even thought to blast through an epic sounding chorus like that...I know I wouldn't have. Props #2: Then in the second half of the chorus, he keeps the blasts, but gives you the accented snares on 3 that you wanted in the first place. Perfection.
*I, WANT, MY, SETCHUAN, SAUCE! I'M PICKLE RIIIICK! RREEEEEEEEE!!* _puts head in shirt and runs away from mcdonalds naruto style_
Henry Lehtovirta r u ok
you don't know theory!? whattttttt :( that actually may have taken them down a few notches for me.
If anything that makes them more impressive to me because it means they have to write entirely based on feel. Then again I'm a huge periphery fan so my opinion may be biased in their favor
You Know how to Play.... Bottom Line!
You're a professional musician, learn theory. It's the language of Music. You're selling yourself short by not learning theory for this instrument and many others.
GuitarPartho oh yeah..... he'll never break through as a successful guitarist without listening to a random RUclips comment 😂 what rubbish! (Sarcasm)
Tell that to the Rolling Stones.
imagine there not being only one correct path to articulating your ideas in art
When did I ever say he wouldn't or isn't a successful guitarist? I simply said, why not improve your skills by learning Theory? Do you have something wrong with learning Theory?
because it's not "selling yourself short" if you're already perfectly capable of articulating your ideas without it. It's a means to an end