Jakl vs BRN180

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    A viewer asked me to compare the PSA JAKL to the Brownells BRN-180. So, we take a look at both, compare them and I decide if I could only have one - which one would it be?

Комментарии • 629

  • @bonedale
    @bonedale 10 месяцев назад +264

    can everyone just stop asking Mac how to get involved in the firearms industry? please

  • @mikeharvey9184
    @mikeharvey9184 28 дней назад +7

    Brownells just rolled out a "Gen 3" BRN-180. Ejection port is more sealed to prevent debris from getting in, and the charging handle has been shrunk in size and moved to the other side of the upper. They've also captured the internals so they don't pop out when you disassemble the rifle.

    • @matthewchambless4499
      @matthewchambless4499 27 дней назад +2

      I'm actually excited about the gen 3 .

    • @mikeharvey9184
      @mikeharvey9184 27 дней назад +1

      @@matthewchambless4499 But for the fact I'm currently in a ban state, I would absolutely pick one up. It will probably be one of the first things I pick up when these stupid bans get thrown out (unless I move before then).

    • @CraftyCleetus
      @CraftyCleetus 13 дней назад

      PSA dropped their gen 2 Jakl made it easier to swap barrels but have a proprietary lower, I'll be waiting for a Gen 3 Jakl looks like and go with BRN 180 myself

    • @mikeharvey9184
      @mikeharvey9184 13 дней назад

      @ yeah, I saw that. I get PSA’s logic, but they should have rolled out a stand-alone Gen2 upper for AR lowers.

  • @gagemason3865
    @gagemason3865 10 месяцев назад +95

    The JAKL reminds me of the 1st gen MCX. Heavy and unrefined, with rolling changes being done as it came out. Which eventually turned into the light weight version of the MCX. If I was a betting man, I would wager that we’ll see a “light weight” JAKL come out in the foreseeable future. They just gotta figure out what parts do and don’t need to be overbuilt.

    • @armorers_wrench
      @armorers_wrench 10 месяцев назад +16

      Nothing on any PSA gun is overbuilt. It's heavy but not overbuilt. It's just sloppy.

    • @erichmiller4812
      @erichmiller4812 10 месяцев назад +7

      And before Sig did its beta testing on the gen 1 mcx and the verstus, they did the same damn thing with the sig556. Put an A1 profile barrel on it, lost the fish gills and quadrants and you got a lighter, better but less modular gun. And then quit supporting it Ala the mcx, and vertus.

    • @DunkThemMuffins
      @DunkThemMuffins 10 месяцев назад +3

      I have a JAKL I've put some rounds through, and I think the biggest single thing they can shave weight on is the handguard. Idk if the longer railed variants are thinner, but on my 10.5" the handguard is DUMMY thick. I imagine they could shave some weight off of it since it's monolithic, but I'm no engineer lol.
      Would also like to see them move to a different barrel profile and something more standardized with the AR pattern for the barrel fitting, but that might not be possible without an expensive redesign.

    • @TheCamaro5
      @TheCamaro5 10 месяцев назад +3

      After owning one that is 100 percent false. The monolithic upper and rail and barrel are too thick or over built. If they made the mono lithic upper half the thickness and the rail the same they could shave some weight. But for now its built like a tank. I found that with the right forgrip the weight is not longer an issue.@@armorers_wrench

    • @TheCamaro5
      @TheCamaro5 10 месяцев назад

      same observation i got the monolithic upper and rail could be half the thickness they are now.@@DunkThemMuffins

  • @grunt1807
    @grunt1807 10 месяцев назад +129

    I'm holding off on buying a Jakl until the kinks are all worked out and it reaches its final Super-Saiyan form, I'm also excited about the 308 version. What brings me to side with the Jakl is the swappable charging handle, the AK-like gas system, and knowing that PSA will continue to upgrade and support the system, unlike my ACR.

    • @Militaryarmschannel
      @Militaryarmschannel  10 месяцев назад +29

      All very valid points!

    • @Arkancide
      @Arkancide 10 месяцев назад +5

      Agreed, in a year or three when they're done iterating on it, the JAKL will be a fine rifle. But I don't think I'll be purchasing one even then. Replacing perfectly good, functioning and kitted out PSA guns that I own with a JAKL just doesn't make sense. If it was modular enough to run the three calibers I care about(5.56, 300BLK, and 308) off one highly durable chassis that'd be one thing. One lower and two or three uppers would be an interesting thing. But I don't think that's how it works. So unless I have a really tragic boating accident, I'll pass.
      BRN180 is neat, but in the same boat. I suppose this is only an issue for people who dearly want piston guns.

    • @grunt1807
      @grunt1807 10 месяцев назад +7

      @@Arkancide The jakl isn't going to replace my kitted BCM or any other of my rifles. It will be just another rifle in my inventory. I just like the AK-like operating system, especially in 308, and future PSA support.

    • @Arkancide
      @Arkancide 10 месяцев назад +5

      @@grunt1807 I see. It may be because I'm a poor, but that thought never crossed my mind... Having an 'inventory' of rifles is beyond my imagination. Well, good on ya, and I hope you enjoy them!

    • @sedevri864
      @sedevri864 10 месяцев назад +4

      @@Arkancide Honestly I'm with you on this one......might also be because I'm a poor but who knows. Once the 308 version comes out it would be great to only need two lowers to use and three uppers. Plus, and I know its just wishful thinking, but maybe we could even see PSA come out with a 12 gauge upper for the 308 lower.

  • @kman0146
    @kman0146 10 месяцев назад +29

    I noticed Brownells is now selling both a folding charging handle and a non-reciprocating charging handle for the BRN-180. Midwest Industries is selling an AR-180 style folding stock that looks similar to the one Brownells used to sell.

  • @Liberty4Ever
    @Liberty4Ever 10 месяцев назад +48

    Another great highly informed comparison video. Thank you!

    • @Militaryarmschannel
      @Militaryarmschannel  10 месяцев назад +7

      Glad it was helpful!

    • @strykerentllc
      @strykerentllc 9 месяцев назад

      @@Militaryarmschannel DAEWOO K2 has entered the chat. What's old is new yet again. Warranted comparison video forthcoming.

  • @danielw1284
    @danielw1284 10 месяцев назад +48

    I’ve picked up a BRN180 and have been very happy with it. I’ve told myself I’ll hold off on a JAKL upper until a pencil-barrel version or updated gen-II version is released - will likely just grab the 13.9 P&W upper and throw it onto one of my spare sat-night-special Anderson lowers.

    • @DunkThemMuffins
      @DunkThemMuffins 10 месяцев назад +6

      I'm sure you already know this, but there's a part or two you need to swap out on your lower if you want to slap the JAKL upper onto an AR lower. I believe it's the ping pong paddle you need to swap, but it's been too long since I did mine lol.

  • @knightjd22
    @knightjd22 10 месяцев назад +23

    I bought the 14.5 jakl and I really have been enjoying it

  • @GammaRayTrae
    @GammaRayTrae 10 месяцев назад +86

    I think I’m going to go with the jakl because I like the looks just a bit better. I like pws but PSA for me has been killing it lately and I haven’t had any issues. Can’t wait for the 308 jakl

    • @FXIIBeaver
      @FXIIBeaver 10 месяцев назад +2

      PWS website is completely out of stock.

    • @SimplestUsername
      @SimplestUsername 10 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@FXIIBeaver Jakl's are restocked about once a week. Just keep checking the stock at 11:30-Noon Eastern Time until the version you want is in stock.

    • @jason200912
      @jason200912 10 месяцев назад

      Retro vs acr

    • @johnhenrybottom1992
      @johnhenrybottom1992 10 месяцев назад +2

      Jakl for me.

    • @jason200912
      @jason200912 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@johnhenrybottom1992 jakl me off

  • @bevangamewell2283
    @bevangamewell2283 10 месяцев назад +38

    I built a 300blk pistol using the Brownell's BRN180 upper. Easy, reliable and fun to shoot suppressed or not. (Yes, a little punchy)
    I have been watching PSA for a while now. Saw your visit to their factory. I really like how they think! Saving up for a PSA purchase in the future.
    Refreshing video.

    • @caseyschryber1255
      @caseyschryber1255 10 месяцев назад +1

      Too bad the barrel LITERALLY SCREWS OUT. Garbage design

  • @MattCaliber
    @MattCaliber 10 месяцев назад +8

    My favorite aspect of the PSA Jackl is that it is similar to the ACR rifle. A highly underrated rifle in my opinion.

  • @nathanwatson2072
    @nathanwatson2072 10 месяцев назад +7

    Haven’t even watched it yet. I love it. I’ve been waiting for this video for the last year and a half.

  • @jaredlostetter265
    @jaredlostetter265 10 месяцев назад +9

    I have the 180 and love it… I will say this , when I first got it the upper and lower, they wouldn’t fit together and both were sent back to pws …got back brand new upper and lower… so they have had issues… once I got them back it has been flawless

    • @GetSmartGrips
      @GetSmartGrips Месяц назад

      About what time did you buy your upper/ gun? The upper I have is trash It was in the first release I think. Like 2020 June.

    • @jaredlostetter265
      @jaredlostetter265 Месяц назад

      Around the same time… the lower was way out of spec and the pin holes were not even close , not good, but once I got it back (both) , it has been awesome

  • @PistonDrivenGun
    @PistonDrivenGun 10 месяцев назад +8

    BRN 180 is actually made by primary weapon systems. Who also makes a long stroke piston AR. It is fantastic

  • @Sagittariustoo
    @Sagittariustoo 10 месяцев назад +37

    I would choose the puppy with the hearing protection. 🙂

  • @leofightsback6514
    @leofightsback6514 10 месяцев назад +80

    I sold my SCAR back to the gun shop & brought a psa jakl. 2 daggers 100 round drum & 250 rounds.

    • @stacksmasher
      @stacksmasher 10 месяцев назад +1

      Well? Do you like it? is it reliable?

    • @Matthew-bc9mr
      @Matthew-bc9mr 10 месяцев назад +5

      and how do the daggers fair when shooting akimbo?

    • @leofightsback6514
      @leofightsback6514 10 месяцев назад

      @@Matthew-bc9mr what's akimbo

    • @Gunker02
      @Gunker02 10 месяцев назад +8

      Ha because flannel daddy said to?

    • @leofightsback6514
      @leofightsback6514 10 месяцев назад

      @@Gunker02 who told you what ?

  • @wildcat8598
    @wildcat8598 10 месяцев назад +6

    I have a 10.5” 223 WYLDE BRN180 upper on a ADM ambi lower with a Geissele flat trigger, DD grip, triangle folder, Trijicon MRO, Surefire M600DF with Modbutton lite and an ASR 3 prong for the Saker 556 can. Great suppressor host and the smoothest racking rifle I’ve ever felt. Feels like the bolt is on ball bearings

  • @ianray8823
    @ianray8823 10 месяцев назад +29

    Can't stop thinking about puppy hearing protection on different breeds of doggo

  • @jaredvos4431
    @jaredvos4431 10 месяцев назад +12

    I love seeing innovation in the industry, and I wish all of these companies coming out with unique designs great success. But they (PSA, CMMG, Sig, Perun, etc.) really need to stop putting charging handles so far forward and so close to the top rail. Robinson Armament figured it out years ago, put the charging handle further back just above the magwell. This way it doesn't interfere with your grip when you go to C-clamp it, and also you don't scrape your knuckles on your optic when you charge it. Minor nit-picking I know, truly I do hope these companies do well and continue to improve on their new and interesting designs. Thanks for another fun video Tim!

    • @FXIIBeaver
      @FXIIBeaver 10 месяцев назад +4

      The charging handle on the Jakl is non reciprocal and high enough it won’t bother you.

    • @DunkThemMuffins
      @DunkThemMuffins 10 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@FXIIBeaverI have the 10.5 Jakl and if you put a PEQ or other LAM on the top rail, it will definitely impede your access to the charging handle. I really wish they had some sort of extra long folding charging handle that would clear LAMs when unfolded, but the length needed would expose it to carbon from the A2 birdcage.

    • @FXIIBeaver
      @FXIIBeaver 10 месяцев назад

      @@DunkThemMuffins and if you run that exact setup on an AR you won’t have anywhere to grip. If you want hand room you bought the wrong upper.

    • @DunkThemMuffins
      @DunkThemMuffins 10 месяцев назад

      @@FXIIBeaver You do know that the majority of LAMs have the fire button on top right? You just use your thumb to press the button from a C clamp grip if you need the laser. Never had a problem with hand room and a LAM on a standard 10.3 upper.

  • @keyslapper
    @keyslapper 10 месяцев назад +4

    I just picked up a BRN-180 upper, and I wasn't certain I want to keep it. Now I feel much better about it.
    Of course PSA won't ship to my state, so that's not an option. Yet.
    Thank you!

  • @danfoster1935
    @danfoster1935 10 месяцев назад +19

    Jakl, I support innovation, and PSA is faithful the civilian market.

    • @kazansky22
      @kazansky22 9 месяцев назад +1

      Yea I always buy from PSA simply because of their loyalty to us.

  • @TheSlipAngle
    @TheSlipAngle 10 месяцев назад +4

    Pencil barrels don't work on piston systems because of the disruption in barrel harmonics introduced by the piston. It can be done but then you'll repeat what happened to Sig with the first version of the MCX failing the military accuracy testing.

  • @shawnkelley9035
    @shawnkelley9035 2 месяца назад +1

    I have an original AR 180 from Armalite Costa Mass and have put through thousands of rounds down range.. just a great AR platform. Love it.

  • @jaretmoskal5558
    @jaretmoskal5558 10 месяцев назад +3

    Your dog with the earmuffs on is adorable

  • @MrSumGuns
    @MrSumGuns 10 месяцев назад +9

    Gotta go with BRN 180. It's a proven system. Great video as always thanks!

  • @RadicallyMilkToast
    @RadicallyMilkToast 10 месяцев назад +1

    As a potential PSA JAKL buyer, thank you for your input. Learning the rolling changes are coming out for the rifle makes me want to wait for a "Mark 2" version once they work through all the feedback.

  • @Kentucky.Tactical
    @Kentucky.Tactical 10 месяцев назад +8

    I own both guns. Had the Jakl for a while now and love it. Haven't got to shoot my Brn180 yet, just got the upper today and the lower is off being engraved. Thanks for this video.

  • @Sergiosanchez5978
    @Sergiosanchez5978 10 месяцев назад +4

    I have a JAKL and love it. I will definitely get the 308 when it comes out.

  • @MerpSquirrel
    @MerpSquirrel 10 месяцев назад +23

    I appreciate that they sponsor you and other gun tubers. But Im not a big fan of the private gun schools advertising. Because there are some expert gun smiths like school of the modern rifle, or ex-military armors. But setting an expectation that they need to pay tens of thousands for schooling before they can put their skills into practice in the field seems setting up the same cycle of never ending debt as other industries.

    • @fraudsniffer7280
      @fraudsniffer7280 10 месяцев назад +9

      My problem with these online gunsmithing programs is two-fold. First, they largely exist to siphon GI Bill and federal student loan money. I’ll guarantee most of their students are using one of those two payment methods. Second, and more important, gunsmithing is a skilled trade. And like with any skilled trade you REALLY should learn it in-person rather than mostly online. I don’t care what anyone says…learning isn’t equally effective with both approaches. There’s no substitute for having an instructor literally standing by you as you learn.
      The last two gunsmiths I used were horrible. They seriously didn’t know what they were doing. Wanna guess what both had in common? They had “learned” gunsmithing from one of these online schools.
      I’m afraid these schools are likely churning out people who really don’t have a full and well-developed skill set, in turn flooding the market with people who probably don’t have much business calling themselves “gunsmiths”.
      There IS a demand for gunsmiths but finding one who actually knows what they’re doing is getting harder and harder.

    • @danclas5983
      @danclas5983 10 месяцев назад

      @@fraudsniffer7280 Hand's on is the best way by far. Most of the people being churned out of these online classes should be considered Armor's, not gunsmiths.

    • @chasewaterman4534
      @chasewaterman4534 10 месяцев назад

      Agreed. Honestly CST (and other schools) are set up to maximize profit and maximize GI Bill intake. They had absolutely turned CST into a cash cow. That being said, most of the instructors knew what they were doing and the real Rubicon is getting to work on actual customer guns enough times that you figure out what the hell's going on. The reality is, there are many types of guns you can specialize in and some of them you'll make money doing. You're not going to get rich repairing Grandpa's shotgun.
      The other fact of life that comes with going to gunsmithing school, is that less than 10% of those students will actually become gunsmiths. Experienced dedication and hard work get you there like any other skilled technical job, and there is plenty of work to be done. Pick something you love doing and specialize in that. You do it long enough and you'll be an expert.

    • @1stidvet553
      @1stidvet553 10 месяцев назад

      These youtubers should not be pushing something that will get their viewers into perpetual debt. They do it for money…they could take different sponsors that wont bankrupt Americans

    • @IwatchFilm
      @IwatchFilm 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@1stidvet553 Bullshit. It's a personal responsibility and choice whether or not to take on a debt. No different than taking a loan for a car or any other loan. I have zero sympathy for anyone with "student debt". Being in "perpetual" debt is a choice, no one is forced into it.

  • @Spartacus223able
    @Spartacus223able 10 месяцев назад +5

    Another upper that would be interesting to through in the mix, would be the Foxtrot Mike FM15 gen 2.

  • @aequitas8749
    @aequitas8749 10 месяцев назад +4

    The ACR we didn't ask for but we needed.

  • @rickw5024
    @rickw5024 7 месяцев назад +1

    I have had the Foxtrot Mike FM15 and since they updated the plastic butt plate the stock attaches to It's been spot on!!! They even supply the heavier spring to install when you shoot it suppressed. I'll wait for the later version of the JAKL. I'll have to look into that BRN300aac though!!!!!! thanks for the heads up on that.

  • @stephenedwards5063
    @stephenedwards5063 26 дней назад +2

    Time for a updated version

  • @XrayMike17plus1
    @XrayMike17plus1 10 месяцев назад +2

    I have a couple of BRN-180'S with the BRN-180 'Modern' lowers. These were bought before the Jakl was released. Tried to get an FDE version, but they weren't available at the time. The Jakl is interesting and may wind up in the collection at some point.

  • @BarisPalabiyik
    @BarisPalabiyik 10 месяцев назад +2

    PSA will release a bullpup lower for the Jackal. Which you will like for sure, hopefully it will address the front weight the barrel and gas block quite a bit.

  • @lphillips6282
    @lphillips6282 10 месяцев назад +3

    Considering you were a fan of primary weapon systems, and also a fan of Robinson armament. I would very much like to see you compare the Robinson XCR with the new PWS UXR…. They seem very similar in concept. And very similar and design. Both of which feature quick change barrel and caliber system, and appear to come completely ambidextrous.

  • @ricks.1092
    @ricks.1092 10 месяцев назад +2

    Glad some of the issues with the Jakl were already addressed. However, PSA does need to use a different (lighter) profile barrel. Shaving off 8 oz would be great.
    I plan of purchasing a Jakl, just waiting to see if PSA is going to address the weight issue. Something tells me, it will be a while...due to they're going to concentrate their efforts toward the .308 model.

  • @natermull8888
    @natermull8888 10 месяцев назад +1

    I love my BRN-180. I’ve been teased by a reliable source that Gen 3 is on the way, some of the improvements were already incorporated into the .350 Legend version.

  • @mattlarson9897
    @mattlarson9897 6 месяцев назад +2

    The Jakl in 300BO with the short barrel and a suppressor is absolute fire. Very impressed with it! I don't know why you would buy either of those in 5.56, just stick to a standard AR for that. The Jakl's charging handle is in the perfect spot, right by your nondominant hand for super fast manipulation. The AR and the BRN180 force you to break grip to operate. With the Jakl you can stay on target ready to pop off another round.

  • @peterreily1490
    @peterreily1490 10 месяцев назад +1

    Another awesome new video. While others flounder and can’t come up with new content… Tim delivers the good stuff.
    BRN-4 over here. Or the URGI upper brownells had a $300 discount on.

  • @gordon5008
    @gordon5008 8 месяцев назад +1

    The term "at home" is for the short bus and considering the original AR180, ACR and Current Scars were/are made in the USA it's extra short bus.

  • @1coldaxe
    @1coldaxe 10 месяцев назад +2

    Pick up a BRN 180 running it now For 2 years, I have no problem with it.Our may i say the only problem was.The stock came loose and I tighten it up with an allen Wrench been running it 2 years now. No problem Flawless no complaint.

  • @russherron7447
    @russherron7447 10 месяцев назад +1

    Built my BRN 180 just to be different & have the old style look, but runs like a champ.

  • @zippy45acp53
    @zippy45acp53 10 месяцев назад

    I love the folding stock ar's. Bought the early release Sig MCX. Just recently picked up a Foxtrot Mike 12.5 pistol complete for $600. Added a folding brace, very lightweight and accurate little gun. Has run 100%.

  • @PureCountryof91
    @PureCountryof91 10 месяцев назад +3

    Gen3 BRN is coming. And Baron, has hinted at a the potential for a BRN160 (Stoner designed an ar16 in .308)

    • @DB-yj3qc
      @DB-yj3qc 10 месяцев назад

      Interesting.

    • @PureCountryof91
      @PureCountryof91 10 месяцев назад

      @@DB-yj3qc indeed. Potentially more interesting than the .308 JAKL. The 5.56 JAKL is heavy. And the .308 looks like a storm boltor. So, hopefully a brn160 could be a lighter option. Would be even cooler as a G2 pattern upper though

    • @rob21
      @rob21 9 месяцев назад

      Gen3? Linky?

  • @Huntinggearguy
    @Huntinggearguy 10 месяцев назад

    Shoe Horning the gas piston into a di ar15 setup is what a lot of Canadian 180 alternatives tried to do. Resulted in a bunch of bent and broken gas pistons.

  • @andresjackson9367
    @andresjackson9367 10 месяцев назад +3

    The jakl stock looks awesome

    • @mavrikmavrik3032
      @mavrikmavrik3032 10 месяцев назад

      It does but…if you like to have a long pull (extend the stock out) and rest your cheek near the back of the stock you will fall into that gap where there is no cheek well. When I shoot it I have to change up my shooting mechanics so my cheek can rest on the stock. It looks great but for me I don’t like it.

  • @mavrikmavrik3032
    @mavrikmavrik3032 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great video! JAKL definitely needs a break in. I’m not sure exactly why but it could be reduced internal upper dimensions due to the cerakote. The gas system also needs more gas (perhaps a larger gas port). Mine runs fine on max gas but only on max gas. There is a lot of mass reciprocating with each shot so the shooting experience is very different than an AR. It’s a nice rifle and a great AR/AK hybrid if that’s what you’re looking for. The BRN-180 has been out for a while and generally is higher quality (less QC issues) in my opinion. We have one with around 8k rounds on it and it’s a very soft shooting rifle. Having both I would buy a 180. However, if you open up the options I would consider the Bren 2 over both and if you can afford it, the Spear LT is pretty nice. (And yeah, the PWS systems are an option too)

  • @cvdubya5774
    @cvdubya5774 Месяц назад

    I'm glad i held off on picking up a BRN-180 upper this past year. I'm going to give it 6-8 months and pick up whatever the latest version of a ODG Jakl 556 that's out at the time. I really like what PSA has been doing with continuing to supply cheap but reliable AR15s & parts, to giving us affordable ammo via AAC and more recently coming out with some pretty nice in-house designed carbines. Id like to see the Jakl with a 18" barrel in a lighter profile though.

  • @KnifeCursed
    @KnifeCursed 10 месяцев назад +2

    I’d probably go with the JAKL. Just seems a bit simpler of a design. One piece piston vs multi part. Handguard doesn’t need to be removed for cleaning. A lighter barrel would be cool like you said.

    • @KalashniKEV762
      @KalashniKEV762 10 месяцев назад

      JAKL is made for going short and quiet. A light barrel does not make sense, or a barrel in the length reviewed.

    • @KnifeCursed
      @KnifeCursed 10 месяцев назад

      @@KalashniKEV762 I don’t have any issues with a short suppressed gun having a pencil barrel. For my use, the trade offs are worth it.

  • @maxhunter3574
    @maxhunter3574 10 месяцев назад +1

    Got the 5.56 and .300bo jakl uppers, love them so far. Probably will get the 7.62x39 brn180 upper since I prefer the AR style mags system over the rock n lock ak crap. Both are great, jakl is a little heavier but super smooth cycling and recoil impulse. The brn180 is lighter but choppier. I'm still playing around with muzzle devices too.

  • @morantactical1105
    @morantactical1105 8 месяцев назад +1

    TL;DR: the BRN180 is a more refined product. The AR18 gas system has been used in a number of other guns and is well understood.
    The JAKL is still a “work in progress”-which is fine, just understand that it’s a newer, not as well tested design, and PSA is still getting feedback from the field and incorporating that feedback into the design as the product evolves.

  • @skydivingcomrade1648
    @skydivingcomrade1648 10 месяцев назад +1

    Piston driven, with folding stocks and AR controls

    • @Survivinglife871
      @Survivinglife871 10 месяцев назад

      The sky is blue, with birds and a sun

  • @jdogi1
    @jdogi1 Месяц назад +2

    What do you think about the BRN 180 Gen 3? I'm interested in your thoughts.

  • @СерёгаМастер-у5г
    @СерёгаМастер-у5г 4 месяца назад +2

    7:26 - газовый поршень от АК , возвратная пружина с направляющей тоже от АК ...
    Короче говоря , столько лет мутили что то свое , лепили к ARке разные костыли ,
    и в конечном итоге все равно пришли к АК .
    Кто ни будь еще хочет , что то нехорошее гавкнуть в сторону АК ?!!!

    • @joelbuck5033
      @joelbuck5033 Месяц назад

      well...ergonomics, last round bolt hold open, the charging handle is on the correct side and doesn't reciprocate, optics mounting is easy, adjustable gas system, in line recoil impulse, modular design, should I stop?

    • @СерёгаМастер-у5г
      @СерёгаМастер-у5г Месяц назад +1

      @@joelbuck5033 в конечном итоге , стреляет не эргономика и модульность конструкции , а механизмы от АК !!! Именно они делают оружие надежным и неубиваемым !!!
      Это фиаско для оружейников США !!!

  • @garysnyder6020
    @garysnyder6020 3 месяца назад

    JMO: I bought and returned one of the first BRN 180 uppers. Cost was over $800.00. The accuracy was 2.5" at best, 100 yards. Fit and finish was not $800.00. The cost is extensive, and I think both Brownell and PSA are way out of line on price. It's just an upper and like you said, simple design.

  • @Milkylious
    @Milkylious Месяц назад +1

    BRN-180 has that open channel with the dust cover open. Definitely easier to have dust rocks etc get inside. Unlike the JAKL much like a AR15. However the GEN3 has fixed that. GEN3 BRN-180 basically looked at the JAKL to fix their issues

  • @columbiawarmachine9795
    @columbiawarmachine9795 10 месяцев назад

    Jakl is pretty sweet . I want to get one

  • @jtlbz
    @jtlbz 10 месяцев назад +1

    I wish you would've added a rock River PDS In the category... It's also very similar.

    • @Survivinglife871
      @Survivinglife871 6 месяцев назад

      They are the price of the jakl and ar18 combined

  • @buddyg5584
    @buddyg5584 10 месяцев назад +1

    I'd pick the Jakl because it doesn't have that cutout in the upper receiver for the reciprocating charging handle. That cutout just makes it easier for debris to get into the internals and cause a malfunction

  • @doejohn8674
    @doejohn8674 10 месяцев назад +2

    There is a BRN-180 in 350 Legend, which might interest some hunters

  • @bryanduchane2371
    @bryanduchane2371 10 месяцев назад +12

    The Jackel 308 may bring 308 to the front of the pack in battlefield cartridges!! PSA learning the industry!!!!

    • @Ratkill9000
      @Ratkill9000 10 месяцев назад

      They listen to what their customers want.

    • @Enjoyer.762
      @Enjoyer.762 10 месяцев назад +4

      Poors who can't afford quality such as the SCAR17, HK MR762, LMT MWS MARS-H, KAC SR25, SIG MCX-SPEAR lmao

    • @msquared9605
      @msquared9605 10 месяцев назад +5

      @@Enjoyer.762it’s ok buddy, Jesus loves you. I mean, somebody’s got to

    • @Sergi762
      @Sergi762 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@Enjoyer.762 Sir, you are are showing your ass. YOU can be a 'poor' in the span of a moment.

    • @Enjoyer.762
      @Enjoyer.762 10 месяцев назад +2

      @Sergi762 You can also delay the immaturity of instant gratification by saving your money and purchasing quality firearms vs stockpiling junk made by unreputable manufacturers whose market is cheap civil-grade range toys.

  • @MrJbrew69
    @MrJbrew69 9 месяцев назад

    Besides it being slightly heavy once I fitted mine out, my Jakl is my favorite toy. Im going to slim it down soon. I got the 16” variant in FDE, PSA had a good deal on them a couple months ago for $1100.

  • @LuisRodriguez-gt9hx
    @LuisRodriguez-gt9hx 10 месяцев назад +1

    Awesome, I hope you do a similar video with the scar and 308 jakl when it’s released.

    • @mrrustygray
      @mrrustygray 10 месяцев назад

      SCAR at 5 times the cost. I will always choose the JAKL.

  • @Usmc0341
    @Usmc0341 10 месяцев назад +2

    I prefer the Jakl over the BRN. Just preference. PSA has been very innovative lately, they just need to really ring in their quality control. I have two of their AR15s and i must say they run perfectly fine. But next to my DDM4 and my two Giesseles, when you put them together you can see and feel the difference in quality. But they do run very well

  • @DEATHWATCHxOPS
    @DEATHWATCHxOPS 10 месяцев назад

    I already have the jakl and a few ar's in different calibers. I love my jakl. The forend gets hot so I use a foregip. It's definitely front heavy. The model I have I believe is newer than the 1 you have in the video.

  • @jedeckert9525
    @jedeckert9525 5 месяцев назад

    With the jakl, you also have to change your bolt catch. It was a toss up between the Jakl and brn but I went with the Jakl because they had a 14.5 pin and weld option.

  • @MotecM
    @MotecM 10 месяцев назад

    KNS also makes a picatinny buffer tube thread end-caps for AR15 lowers. Just make sure you buy the version with wings to cover the rear take-down detent spring…

  • @jamesbottoms8566
    @jamesbottoms8566 3 месяца назад

    Just bought a brn 180, I love it.

  • @petehafner3844
    @petehafner3844 10 месяцев назад +1

    Nice review thanks

  • @amacl10
    @amacl10 10 месяцев назад +1

    I've heard mixed things about MAC. The fact that hes one of, if not the only, channels i have come across so far that puts hearing protection on his dog.. tells me all i need to know about him.

  • @doolay1988
    @doolay1988 10 месяцев назад

    That's MAC for the overview. I really want to see the same changes to the JAKL as you mentioned. It's just too front heavy for 2024 standards. PSA, let's do something about it!
    Also, how structurally sound is the JAKL barrel to upper fitment? Is it really just a few screws? 🤔

  • @donh6177
    @donh6177 10 месяцев назад +2

    I think a better comparison would be a Robinson Arms XCR versus the PSA jakl.

    • @dolphinshooter2871
      @dolphinshooter2871 4 месяца назад

      I own both. The XCR is way better. Having said that, the JAKL is 1000 dollars less. Personally, I love both of them!

  • @alexanderstordeur9434
    @alexanderstordeur9434 10 месяцев назад +1

    The Canadian legal gun vs what used to be a cheaper alternative to a Colt M16/603/SP1 AR-15 back in the day.

  • @XrayMike17plus1
    @XrayMike17plus1 6 месяцев назад

    The 'dog leg' charge handle is a problem for some rail-mounted devices on BRN180's creating pinch-points. A3 Tactical makes several versions of the charge handle that offer ergonomic and anesthetic improvements.

  • @Swaffles870
    @Swaffles870 10 месяцев назад

    I'd def go with the Jakl. I've got my eyes on one currently and the support it has over the 180 is very soon, if not already, to overshadow it

  • @SKSlaya12
    @SKSlaya12 10 месяцев назад

    I built one on a adm uic180 lower and its amazing no issues I'm even thinking about sbring it. I run it with an original mcx stock

  • @HDBujutsu1775
    @HDBujutsu1775 10 месяцев назад +1

    Love my BRN180, great carbine.

  • @coreymerrill3257
    @coreymerrill3257 10 месяцев назад

    With a few updates ,the rra pds would be a very good option . Give it a 1/8 twist barrel instead of 1/9, chf qpq nitrided, a few cartridge options and a few other options like barrel profile , brackets to use standard AR barrels ,ect. . It sadly never took off like it deserved too. It was made when rra was pioneering designs . They made the first Dedicated pistol caliber carbine lowers for Glock mags at about the same time they created their short stroke piston system carbine with non reciprocating forward charging handle , side folding stock, adjustable gas system and easily changed handguards for rails or no rails. Personally I think it's ascetics are really good too.

  • @robertcaseydavis
    @robertcaseydavis 10 месяцев назад +1

    I love your dog hearing protection!
    Based MAC!!!

  • @tyleryork6071
    @tyleryork6071 10 месяцев назад

    Love the 180 and the smooth recoil. Was planning on getting a jakl with the pinned muzzle for my suppressor. Once i finally received my hux suppressor, I'm taken back a bit by the added weight. I also added a new optic. Everything is pretty heavy.
    Knowing the jakl is heavier, even with a couple inches less barrel, has me paused on that decision.
    I'm not totally someone who loves optics but the whole setup with a suppressor just feels like unnecessary weight.
    The brn is really a quiet contender here. I'd love to see them expand and build upon that product. They need product developers with the aptitude of PSA but the engineering chops of Brownells contractor builders.

  • @devildog1989
    @devildog1989 10 месяцев назад +1

    I would love to see the Jakl in 6.8SPC. That would be awesome

  • @XrayMike17plus1
    @XrayMike17plus1 6 месяцев назад

    Tim: 8:45 "Any AR upper will pin to the BRN180 lower" Maybe it will pin to it, but the AR upper as a traditional DI gun is incompatible! The solid rear cast lower with 'Pic rail' stock attachment will not accommodate the BCG and buffer system of an AR. You can however put a BRN180 upper on a milspec AR lower. Perhaps that's what you were thinking

  • @oorahjoe
    @oorahjoe 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks

  • @TheCamaro5
    @TheCamaro5 10 месяцев назад

    Would def go with the JAKL. Very easy to mount to a ar lower. I see the new ones have different charging handle and gas nob. Always improving is a plus to me.

  • @cornfedchris1
    @cornfedchris1 10 месяцев назад

    I was a jakl buyer until I found adams arms and now I have two of their p2 uppers and couldn’t be happier

  • @jasonseiverling5354
    @jasonseiverling5354 10 месяцев назад

    I came into this video already knowing I wanted a BRN-180 just like yours that is no longer available. 🤨 The 308 JAKL I will definitely be looking into. Thanks a million because I didn’t know ear pro for dogs was available.

  • @handroids1981
    @handroids1981 10 месяцев назад

    Excellent video, thanks MAC and everyone else involved.
    I think the PunLuber Entertainment section is tired of generic AR556 content.

  • @mike6252
    @mike6252 10 месяцев назад +1

    Yay for the Shepherd ❤😍

  • @donjohnson5424
    @donjohnson5424 10 месяцев назад

    Literally deciding between these two for my refund... Thank you MAC!

  • @2ACops
    @2ACops 10 месяцев назад

    I have both in .300BLK. I think the BRN-180 is slightly lighter shooting, and definitely lighter overall weight, but at least in .300BLK, the Jakl is a shorter overall package and fits great in my backpack with a can on it. I like the forward charging handle on the Jakl better than the reciprocating bolt mounted charging handle of the BRN.
    If Brownells updated the BRN-180 with a forward, non-reciprocating charging handle that could also function as a forward assist, thus negating the need for that giant opening in the receiver that could allow all kinds of junk to get in behind the BCG and into the trigger, they would have one hell of a rifle. If that happened, it would be my hands down favorite.

  • @PaulAmerican
    @PaulAmerican 10 месяцев назад +1

    I would love to see MAC reach out to PWS and give us a review on their new UXR.

  • @marcofguzman3075
    @marcofguzman3075 10 месяцев назад

    Absolutely fantastic thank you had a 180 in Comifornia when it was legal but I did say was , Comifornia changed it fast and furious 😠 😮

  • @josephschrom4571
    @josephschrom4571 10 месяцев назад +1

    They just did a video on the 308 jakl yesterday

  • @JadeRofot
    @JadeRofot 10 месяцев назад

    Can you review the FB Grot??No one has a review of the battle rifle yet.Its the most inventive rifle of all time. You are my favorite gun reviewer and I feel the best man for the job. As I'm sure you know they claim it shoots better with less recoil than both the Scar and the Bren 2.

  • @melissasmess2773
    @melissasmess2773 10 месяцев назад +1

    BRN-180 upper is the way to go unless you want to purchase another firearm and all that hassle. Brownell's has a lifetime guarantee.

  • @arikjohnson412
    @arikjohnson412 10 месяцев назад

    A3 Tactical is in the process of trickling out a bullpup chassis for both these uppers (and FM) and I’ve got a pistol version on order for my .300BLK JAKL. If PSA would do a 13.7” P&W upper in .300 I’d pick a rifle version up for that as well but waiting to see how the Triad runs as a pistol chassis first and likely will try the rifle version for my BRN-180 uppers as well. It’ll be short, even with a can, that’s for sure! JAKL Triad takes a new front hand guard which adds to complexity so I figured simpler versions would be easier if I could figure out the pistol bullpup.

  • @Sigrafix
    @Sigrafix 9 месяцев назад

    I like the Jakl on paper.. In practice, I'd go with the BRN 180 just on quality alone.
    I've had a 10.5'' BRN 180s Gen2 in .223 wylde for over 2 years on an Anderson lower, it's been flawless and surprisingly accurate.

  • @freetobe3
    @freetobe3 10 месяцев назад

    A polymer lower and sleek blocky look upper of the AR-18 based platform sounds like success, and cute.

  • @kd6pn
    @kd6pn 10 месяцев назад

    Wolf A1 (T91) Upper is my pick for an AR180 style system. Lighter than both, combat proven, choice of barrel length (12, 14, 16"), and less expensive at $600. They're at AIM Surplus.