I owned a 62 kWh Leaf for a year (2023), mostly charging at home. The highest power I ever saw on a CHAdeMO charger was 74 kW. This was a one-off test on a local BP Pulse, on a December evening. All other chargers I ever came across were limited to 50 kW. The scarcity of CHAdeMO chargers and the worry about them being phased out was the main reason I sold the car after a year. There is (was?) a company in The Hague that converted Leafs to CCS, but that cost about 6000 Euros, if I remember correctly. This adapter is a bargain compared to that conversion.
Great video, Euan - interesting to reflect on how far we've come in a few short years, CCS rapid charging now effectively the standard with - it seems to me - plentiful availability in most places. Hopefully this adapter will help keep all those indestructible Leaf's and Souls that lead the way going for a while yet !
I was very interested in this as I have chademo too, a Soul EV. I'm noticing that despite the fact you can still buy new chademo cars (the Leaf), it is very much the poor relation now that CCS is the standard. With around 135 miles range and 100kW charging, it should be future proof, but the lack of chademo chargers more than negates that.
Thanks for the video. I have an Electway CCS1 to CHAdeMO adapter since last July. I've always kept the car off while hooking up and can't say that I've encountered the problem you experienced. I can generally get around 77 kW max on a charge. It was expensive, but as you stated, it opens up so many charger possibilities. Supposedly, there are even some Tesla sites that will work although I haven't tried any yet. Thanks again.
I've seen up to around 72 / 73 kW on a 100 kW chademo charger on my Leaf e+ so it makes sense. I don't think it took 2-3 minutes to ramp up; I'm going to guess that the battery was warmer than yours as it had done a good bit more than a hundred miles at the time. It's over a year ago we're talking about now, though. I don't drive enough anymore to merit buying one of these adapters; certainly not at the moment; but it is good that they exist.
This adapter is of great interest. Last summer we travelled down to central France in our 40kW Leaf. We were able to find Chademo chargers but they are limited. Some chargers didn't work, some would not release the cable. As soon as the price drops to something sensible I will be getting one of these adapters. Thank you for the video.
Good to see a way to preserve the utility of a Leaf. Over 30 CHAdeMO ripped out on routes we travel in California. When the Leaf Plus (US term) was introduced, FASTNED released a photo of the car on a test bed charging at 102kW. Nissan advertised the car as capable of 100kW. They partnered with EVgo to install 200 100kW CHAdeMO plugs in the US. Unfortunately, the cables used were limited to 200A so our car never saw more than 78kW. 270A or so needed for 100kW. But our charge curve was quite a bit flatter than what you experienced.
Great video! I reckon most Leafs will end up becoming grocery runners which rarely leave their town, but it's good to know that there is a solution if people want to use rapid chargers as chademo is gradually phased out. Looking forward to the upcoming generations of the Leaf because it's always been a lovely car
My worry is that the new LEAF will be a bloated crossover that's trying to be a mini Ariya, rather than sticking with the same sensible dimensions as today's LEAF but with a liquid-cooled battery and CCS. Hopefully an OEM like Dacia will rescue the current LEAF's chassis moulds and do exactly that.
There might not be any new generations of the Leaf. Nissan is effectively bankrupt. They're in the process of being purchased by Honda. They are calling it a merger, but all the top management will come from Honda. The Leaf will probably be replaced by a cheaper version of the Honda Prolog. The Ariya will probably survive the merger.
Great to see you back Euan - I think this is an excellent idea, as you say it just opens up so many more chargers to leaf owners, regardless of the theoretical slight improvement in charging speeds. I guess it is much the same as many US car manufacturers now providing NACS adapters for cars originally fitted with CCS to enable them to use the Tesla supercharger network. I don't know whether the NACS & CCS protocols used are more similar than CCS vs Chademo. Feeding back to the manufacturers on the niggles involved in trying these new products will be a benefit for everyone in the future.
Judging from how small the CCS to NACS adapter is, it looks like the protocols are similar enough to not require an onboard computer in the adapter (which, by the way, needs to be USB charged if not used for a few weeks, which I forgot to mention in the video). That might make NACS to CCS to CHAdeMO feasible in the US using both adapters at once.
Great video thank you. My daughter has a 24 kWh Nissan Leaf in Canada and with the great distances travelled in Canada I'm sure this will be of great interest to her. I have forwarded on this video.
The issue with a CCS - CHAdeMO adaptor is that the car and charger both expect the other to provide power on the signal wires. Thus the adaptor has no reliable power until charging is started. To overcome this the adaptor has some onboard storage (I think a large capacitor) my adaptor came with a 12V lead and needs to charge before use. The first time I used it I didn't realise the need to charge in advance so I used it with the lead still plugged in, it is quite long. If you have power in the adaptor (12V cable or stored) to make the light flash and plug it into the car first, I have found it starts reliably (eNV200).
Good to see you back. But I needed the captions to read as being 'Mutton Geoff' for past couple of months. Captions got stuck at Glenrothes! I used to live there. Your past explainers have helped me with better understanding of how my EV performs with both AC and DC charging.
Thanks! Yeah sorry about the captions: I hadn't written down the piece-to-camera stuff, so RUclips probably hasn't added captions for those. I uploaded the script for the rest of the video to RUclips to try to make it a bit more accessible.
I've seen 77kW peak on our LEAF e+. LeafSpy said was 200A 385V, and the cable on both chargers was rated at 200A was rated at 200A (ABB Terra HP and Alpitronic HYC400, GridServe have the Terra HP are many of the Motoway Services sites nowerdays). It's conceivable that the e+ could go faster than that, it was originally advertised as capable of 100kW, which would be 260A or 250A with the theoretical 400V peak (despite it curtailing current above 385V).
Good point - I also remember Nissan's initial claims of 100 kW charging for the 62 kWh LEAF e+. They went very quiet about that claim after the first couple of weeks!
The graph looks very similar (without the spikes) to a charge I had on a 200amp Chademo when the 62kWh first came out. Think it hit peak 76kW but it was in Summer. You could take E’s car over to MFG Napier or Clepington Road to see what it gets from a 80kW/100kW Chademo to compare graphs for them, see if it has that spike.
we have driven our 2014 Leaf from the UK to Spain and looked at the adapter to allow us many more charging places and route options but were not sure if it would work. Won't be able to get one in time for our return trip home but this video gives us confidence to try it for the next trip out. Thanks
No problem! The adapter might take a few attempts to get it to work, but it should work fine in the end. As long as the car is completely switched off, and the adapter is woken up (flashing light) before being plugged into the car first and then into the charger's CCS cable, then you should be fine.
You really are nuts.. but I like the sound of that challenge! You'd have to stop for a charge every 40-50 miles in a LEAF 24 driving at motorway speeds?
Hi Euan!! 👋🏻 I've seen 47 kW on a fast CHAdeMO charger. I think that's the real world maximum for that car. When I'm using my adapter, I plug both ends in first, and get the charger to accept payment and THEN start the adapter. That seems to work best in terms of timing. Also if the CCS2 plug (or the car socket) is worn, physically supporting the adapter and cable helps with handshake by preventing 'droop'.
I bought an A2Z adapter five months ago and it’s worked on every occasion but now I have 2 updates to install.. With import costs it over £1000 but I have no plans to sell my Leaf Plus before 2060. 😢
You should check out Conrad's converter. Ev-Boy £650. He visits chargers and collects the debug information. Updates the firmware all the time. It seems to not run into the issues you had. CCS isn't as closely defined a protocol as Chademo. Conrad's unit has a usb drive that can collect the debug info. It's more of a community effort which is why it's also less expensive. People are continuing to contribute debug info.
As others have already pointed out, Muxsan wasn't without their problems. Cleevely EV initially offered Muxsan's range-extending battery upgrades in the UK, but quickly stopped due to their build quality not being up to Cleevely's standards. If I recall correctly, the inbuilt CCS retrofit was particularly clever because it replaced the Type 1/2 socket rather than the CHAdeMO socket, which meant that the vehicle could still do V2G and could get a charge on a CHAdeMO cable if all of the CCS cables at a charging hub are in use. Hopefully the CCS retrofit will be revived by another company that rises out of Muxsan's ashes.
@PlugLifeTelevision not only that, Matt Cleevely told me at Farnborough that they will be (I'm paraphrasing here - didn't have the presence of mind to record the conversation) carrying on the work of Muxsan and that they plan to start a battery replacement operation by the end of 2024.
If I remember rightly, Muxsan used a CCS charging module from the BMW i3 to handle the actual CCS madness, and then talked to that from the CAN-bus to handle charging and connecting direct to the battery (rather than sharing cabling with the CHAdeMO port, and risking energising the open socket...) All in all an adapter which can do CCS to CAN translation feels like a cleaner solution, as direct work in a vehicle is always going to be more costly than a factory made part.
I haven't tried it yet (not needed to), but I recently bought an adapter from Jiangsu Orientrise Technology Co for about £640. It has a battery inside it, which I suspect might help in the initial plugging in phase. I will give it a go sometime and see.
Correct - all CCS to CHAdeMO adapters need to have an onboard computer to translate one protocol to the other, which in turn pushes up the price vs the likes of the Tesla CCS adapter or NACS to CCS adapter.
Very interesting - could be worth having. I don't do too much long distance travel but I have the 62kWh Leaf. A question of personal interest ... would the adapter work for CHAdeMO based V2G connections? Does this adapter do both directions?
Throughout the video I was thinking if anyone had been crazy enough to try that CCS adapter with a Tesla CHAdeMO adapter, and then you did! I notice your Tesla CHAdeMO adapter is revision C. Perhaps a revision D adapter would work?
Not using that charger, but funnily enough I did stumble across a CHAdeMO to CCS adapter on eBay - search "CHAdeMO to CCS2 Adapter for EV Charging" It's designed to allow European cars to be charged in Japan, which has stuck with its CHAdeMO format (which, as I've said elsewhere, is similar to Betamax in that it is the superior format which cruelly lost the format war).
@PlugLifeTelevision My main complaint about Chademo, despite my delight in the origins of the term itself (cup of tea) - as someone who spent a happy year living in Japan - were always with its vast weight and clumsiness.
Great news for long life Leafs. It is now the lowest VED car around. Suddenly battery replacement looks appealing. Any thoughts on the state of play there?
There are a few companies working on liquid-cooled aftermarket Nissan LEAF battery packs, including Electron Garage funnily enough. EVs Enhanced in New Zealand is another one. There are a few such batteries coming out of China now too, but I haven't looked into their spec or build quality.
Not sure if there’s a valid business case for renting these adapters… If a business invested in several of them and rented them out (with a chunky deposit) to road tripping Leaf/ENV owners does that make financial sense?
Funnily enough I've thought the same. It depends how much demand there would be for a rental service, how much the rental would cost, and the cost of insurance in case someone doesn't return the adapter. In the UK, you could imagine the Tesla Owners Club doing an adapter rental service if Tesla had made the LEAF; whether or not the Nissan EV Owners Club would be up for doing this, I'm not too sure. @NissanEVOwnersUK
@PlugLifeTelevision The deposit would be the cost of the adapter and the return would be that amount less the rental fee, if a club did this then there could be a post and return factored into this. The alternative is to have the adapter in a locked box at the charger site and require a credit card deposit to open it. I think FastNed may have doen something like this in the past.
Anything on the legality of using these in terms of the CPOs? Can't imagine they're going to be thrilled at the prospect of these starting to become slightly more common.
I can't imagine why a CPO would dislike a well-made adapter being used to expand their customer base. If an EV driver is charging on their chargers, paying them for their electrons and saving the CPO money through the avoidance of installing an underutilised CHAdeMO cable, then the CPO will be happy!
@PlugLifeTelevision because they don't know that the adapter is well made or meets electrical regulations/safety regs. And most chargers will have a higher throughput if they support only newer faster charging cars, a leaf that takes 40 minutes to add a meaningful amount of power isn't going to increase their throughput of customers or improve their profits That's actually no real benefit for them doing any work to support these adapters. I wish there was but I think they will always be unsupported
I purposefully choose chargers that are capable of >50kW its taking some experimenting. to work out which ones. The trouble is we rapid charge so little now with the 62kW the price of the adapter would have to drop a lot and chademo to become a lot rarer for it to be worthwhile.
There are already parts of the country where CHAdeMO is being removed. For example, FOR:EV installed a much needed new rapid charger at the Real Food Cafe in Tyndrum to replace the old and unreliable ChargePlace Scotland charger that was there. However, while the old CPS charger was triple-headed (CHAdeMO, CCS and Type 2), the new FOR:EV charger has 2x CCS cables only. It is a much more reliable and user-friendly charger than the CPS one, but it has made life difficult for LEAF and e-NV200 drivers going through one of the more remote and touristy parts of Scotland. I've already appealed to FOR:EV to provide a CHAdeMO cable at the site, but I've been told that utilisation would be too low to justify it. If this attitude is echoed across the rest of Scotland and the UK, then the CCS to CHAdeMO adapter will be an essential piece of kit for LEAF and e-NV200 drivers to keep in the boot.
I own a 2018 nissan leaf, but I am looking to buy an adapter. The only ones I can find are very expensive. Some of over a thousand pounds. Can you tell me if i can buy one cheaper, or get one on a payment plan. Will put you on my subscription list and wait for an answer. Thanks again and good job.
I'm still looking about for a cheaper deal for this adapter, and will post the best deal that I can find asap. I'll also post a link to a cheaper alternative brand of charger if I find one, with the caveat that I've not personally tested any other than the Electway one in this video so far.
I dread to think what this is doing to the BMS readings. Any change in Hx of SOH readings after this experiment in LSP? I'd rather just use the LEAF 40 as a medium-range EV to avoid lots of potentially damaging battery temperatures, charging on AC while I'm at work/asleep. If I had an e+ I'd just stop to charge every 150 miles and have a nice long snack-break while I wait.
The adapter isn't forcing the car to do anything it doesn't want to. On the contrary, the car takes as much power as it wants to, within the limits of the charger cable and the adapter's maximum current. The adapter merely lets the LEAF e+ charge at the sort of power that it was designed to achieve, but very few chargers were designed to deliver via CHAdeMO.
I have a 40 kwh Leaf and am curious about these adaptors but also uneasy about them. We're talking high voltages and amps going through some adapter made by an unknown brand. Also seems flaky if you have to half plug one side in first, before putting it in the car. Is it possible to get a CCS installed in stead of chademo? Or even replace the type 2 socket with CCS on the Leaf?
Fear not: the LEAF will not charge any faster than it wants to using this adapter - the LEAF controls the charging session, not the charger. The BMS already has conservative charge power limits applied to it to prevent the battery from being damaged. As for the adapter, there was no sign of it becoming hot or unable to handle the power going through it. The need to plug in one side is purely to wake up its onboard computer, which is something that could easily be resolved in future versions using a "wake up/power on" button. Muxsan did a retrofit where they replaced the Type 2 socket with CCS. Unfortunately they recently went into administration. However, they proved that it's possible.
@PlugLifeTelevision It was about 16 celsius daytime and didn't check battery temperature but didn't plug in for 10 minutes as the Charger had to be reset to work in the first place. So we got a Free Charge.
This adapter will definitely work on a 40 kWh LEAF. The 40 kWh LEAF was limited to a maximum of 50 kW charge power, so the adapter wouldn't allow it to go any higher than this.
The highest charge power that I've ever heard the LEAF e+ claimed to be capable of pulling is 100 kW. That was from Nissan just before they launched the e+, but they went very quiet on that claim shortly afterwards. 70ish kW is the highest that I've seen any LEAF e+ driver report during rapid charging.
Hi New, to your channel I’m looking for an adapter for my Nissan leaf 30 kg 2017. Will this fit the I am in the UK? Could you put me on some sites which do the address for the UK?
Yes, the adapter will fit any Nissan LEAF with a CHAdeMO socket. I'm still awaiting details of the UK distributor, which I'll post in the video description asap.
I've not tested it on those cars but I'm pretty sure it will work. CHAdeMO is a rigorously defined protocol, so the chances of there being any differences that lead to compatibility issues are minimal.
The faster you charge a Lithium battery, the higher your chances of Lithium plating occurring, which then results in dendrite formation, which perforate the separating membrane and results in thermal runaway. Don’t take my word for it research Lithium plating and thermal runaway.
I'm a battery electrochemist by trade. As with any other EV, the LEAF will not charge any faster than it wants to using this adapter - the LEAF controls the charging session, not the charger. The BMS already has conservative charge power limits applied to it to prevent dendrite formation.
Even if you only get the normal speeds, its a game changer just being able to use ccs. Next, will tesla let it charge? Then you get cheap chargeing too.
@PlugLifeTelevision From my experience with the Electway adapter ,it works with Supercharger V3. But make sure to charge your adapter battery using the supplied cigarette-lighter charger before trying. Parking a Leaf (I have the 2017 AZE0) at the supercharger before V4 is a pain so try to find a V4 if possible.
1) The LEAF e+ charges at a higher power than many older (and some newer!) CCS EVs 2) There are six CCS plugs at the rapid charging hub I used. Every time I used those chargers, there was at least one other CCS plug available for someone else. Not that it matters, because my car was rapid charging, so I was perfectly entitled to use it. The charge point operator was happy that I was spending money with them and moving on as soon as I was done.
I owned a 62 kWh Leaf for a year (2023), mostly charging at home. The highest power I ever saw on a CHAdeMO charger was 74 kW. This was a one-off test on a local BP Pulse, on a December evening. All other chargers I ever came across were limited to 50 kW.
The scarcity of CHAdeMO chargers and the worry about them being phased out was the main reason I sold the car after a year.
There is (was?) a company in The Hague that converted Leafs to CCS, but that cost about 6000 Euros, if I remember correctly. This adapter is a bargain compared to that conversion.
Great video, Euan - interesting to reflect on how far we've come in a few short years, CCS rapid charging now effectively the standard with - it seems to me - plentiful availability in most places. Hopefully this adapter will help keep all those indestructible Leaf's and Souls that lead the way going for a while yet !
I was very interested in this as I have chademo too, a Soul EV. I'm noticing that despite the fact you can still buy new chademo cars (the Leaf), it is very much the poor relation now that CCS is the standard. With around 135 miles range and 100kW charging, it should be future proof, but the lack of chademo chargers more than negates that.
Thanks for the video. I have an Electway CCS1 to CHAdeMO adapter since last July. I've always kept the car off while hooking up and can't say that I've encountered the problem you experienced. I can generally get around 77 kW max on a charge. It was expensive, but as you stated, it opens up so many charger possibilities. Supposedly, there are even some Tesla sites that will work although I haven't tried any yet. Thanks again.
I've seen up to around 72 / 73 kW on a 100 kW chademo charger on my Leaf e+ so it makes sense. I don't think it took 2-3 minutes to ramp up; I'm going to guess that the battery was warmer than yours as it had done a good bit more than a hundred miles at the time. It's over a year ago we're talking about now, though.
I don't drive enough anymore to merit buying one of these adapters; certainly not at the moment; but it is good that they exist.
This adapter is of great interest. Last summer we travelled down to central France in our 40kW Leaf. We were able to find Chademo chargers but they are limited. Some chargers didn't work, some would not release the cable. As soon as the price drops to something sensible I will be getting one of these adapters.
Thank you for the video.
Lovely to see you back 👍
Good to see a way to preserve the utility of a Leaf. Over 30 CHAdeMO ripped out on routes we travel in California.
When the Leaf Plus (US term) was introduced, FASTNED released a photo of the car on a test bed charging at 102kW. Nissan advertised the car as capable of 100kW. They partnered with EVgo to install 200 100kW CHAdeMO plugs in the US. Unfortunately, the cables used were limited to 200A so our car never saw more than 78kW. 270A or so needed for 100kW. But our charge curve was quite a bit flatter than what you experienced.
Brilliant Euan , great to see the Tesla Chadamo adapter being tested too with the new CCS/ Chadamo adapter !
Hope you're well sir !
Jp 🤓
And looking as if he hadn't added a wrinkle in ten years - what's the magic formula? !
@@Kiltoonie low resolution video ;)
Great video!
I reckon most Leafs will end up becoming grocery runners which rarely leave their town, but it's good to know that there is a solution if people want to use rapid chargers as chademo is gradually phased out.
Looking forward to the upcoming generations of the Leaf because it's always been a lovely car
My worry is that the new LEAF will be a bloated crossover that's trying to be a mini Ariya, rather than sticking with the same sensible dimensions as today's LEAF but with a liquid-cooled battery and CCS. Hopefully an OEM like Dacia will rescue the current LEAF's chassis moulds and do exactly that.
There might not be any new generations of the Leaf. Nissan is effectively bankrupt. They're in the process of being purchased by Honda. They are calling it a merger, but all the top management will come from Honda. The Leaf will probably be replaced by a cheaper version of the Honda Prolog. The Ariya will probably survive the merger.
Great to see you back Euan - I think this is an excellent idea, as you say it just opens up so many more chargers to leaf owners, regardless of the theoretical slight improvement in charging speeds. I guess it is much the same as many US car manufacturers now providing NACS adapters for cars originally fitted with CCS to enable them to use the Tesla supercharger network. I don't know whether the NACS & CCS protocols used are more similar than CCS vs Chademo. Feeding back to the manufacturers on the niggles involved in trying these new products will be a benefit for everyone in the future.
Judging from how small the CCS to NACS adapter is, it looks like the protocols are similar enough to not require an onboard computer in the adapter (which, by the way, needs to be USB charged if not used for a few weeks, which I forgot to mention in the video). That might make NACS to CCS to CHAdeMO feasible in the US using both adapters at once.
@PlugLifeTelevisionA Frankenstein solution!
Great to see you again. Missed you. Good video for all leaf owners.
Great video thank you. My daughter has a 24 kWh Nissan Leaf in Canada and with the great distances travelled in Canada I'm sure this will be of great interest to her. I have forwarded on this video.
That's for CCS2 so not compatible. There are people fiddling with a CCS1 version. and it would be very expensive in any case.
The issue with a CCS - CHAdeMO adaptor is that the car and charger both expect the other to provide power on the signal wires. Thus the adaptor has no reliable power until charging is started.
To overcome this the adaptor has some onboard storage (I think a large capacitor) my adaptor came with a 12V lead and needs to charge before use. The first time I used it I didn't realise the need to charge in advance so I used it with the lead still plugged in, it is quite long.
If you have power in the adaptor (12V cable or stored) to make the light flash and plug it into the car first, I have found it starts reliably (eNV200).
Good to see you back. But I needed the captions to read as being 'Mutton Geoff' for past couple of months. Captions got stuck at Glenrothes! I used to live there.
Your past explainers have helped me with better understanding of how my EV performs with both AC and DC charging.
Thanks! Yeah sorry about the captions: I hadn't written down the piece-to-camera stuff, so RUclips probably hasn't added captions for those. I uploaded the script for the rest of the video to RUclips to try to make it a bit more accessible.
I've seen 77kW peak on our LEAF e+.
LeafSpy said was 200A 385V, and the cable on both chargers was rated at 200A was rated at 200A (ABB Terra HP and Alpitronic HYC400, GridServe have the Terra HP are many of the Motoway Services sites nowerdays).
It's conceivable that the e+ could go faster than that, it was originally advertised as capable of 100kW, which would be 260A or 250A with the theoretical 400V peak (despite it curtailing current above 385V).
Good point - I also remember Nissan's initial claims of 100 kW charging for the 62 kWh LEAF e+. They went very quiet about that claim after the first couple of weeks!
@PlugLifeTelevision I think they removed reference to it quietly from their marketing
The graph looks very similar (without the spikes) to a charge I had on a 200amp Chademo when the 62kWh first came out. Think it hit peak 76kW but it was in Summer.
You could take E’s car over to MFG Napier or Clepington Road to see what it gets from a 80kW/100kW Chademo to compare graphs for them, see if it has that spike.
we have driven our 2014 Leaf from the UK to Spain and looked at the adapter to allow us many more charging places and route options but were not sure if it would work. Won't be able to get one in time for our return trip home but this video gives us confidence to try it for the next trip out. Thanks
No problem! The adapter might take a few attempts to get it to work, but it should work fine in the end. As long as the car is completely switched off, and the adapter is woken up (flashing light) before being plugged into the car first and then into the charger's CCS cable, then you should be fine.
You really are nuts.. but I like the sound of that challenge!
You'd have to stop for a charge every 40-50 miles in a LEAF 24 driving at motorway speeds?
@ I spent ten years hitch hiking before I finally bought a car, so that never bothered me much ;-)
Good to see you Euan. You survived a trip to Fife..... 😉
GLORYHAMMER!! (I hope you get the reference...if not RUclips music will be your friend)
Hi Euan!! 👋🏻
I've seen 47 kW on a fast CHAdeMO charger. I think that's the real world maximum for that car.
When I'm using my adapter, I plug both ends in first, and get the charger to accept payment and THEN start the adapter. That seems to work best in terms of timing.
Also if the CCS2 plug (or the car socket) is worn, physically supporting the adapter and cable helps with handshake by preventing 'droop'.
I bought an A2Z adapter five months ago and it’s worked on every occasion but now I have 2 updates to install.. With import costs it over £1000 but I have no plans to sell my Leaf Plus before 2060. 😢
Why not changing CCS2 plug on Nissan leaf?
No need adapter anymore?
Complete replacement cost 360€...
Where can you get that retrofit done for €360? Muxsan used to do something similar, but they went out of business last year.
You should check out Conrad's converter. Ev-Boy £650. He visits chargers and collects the debug information. Updates the firmware all the time. It seems to not run into the issues you had. CCS isn't as closely defined a protocol as Chademo. Conrad's unit has a usb drive that can collect the debug info. It's more of a community effort which is why it's also less expensive. People are continuing to contribute debug info.
Nice! Got the link to buy it?
Excellent
I've seen that mucxan in the Netherlands are retrofitting CCS and larger batteries too.
Fancy getting the ferry for research?
Muxsan closed last year.
Muxsan closed down in 2024 unfortunately.
As others have already pointed out, Muxsan wasn't without their problems. Cleevely EV initially offered Muxsan's range-extending battery upgrades in the UK, but quickly stopped due to their build quality not being up to Cleevely's standards. If I recall correctly, the inbuilt CCS retrofit was particularly clever because it replaced the Type 1/2 socket rather than the CHAdeMO socket, which meant that the vehicle could still do V2G and could get a charge on a CHAdeMO cable if all of the CCS cables at a charging hub are in use. Hopefully the CCS retrofit will be revived by another company that rises out of Muxsan's ashes.
@PlugLifeTelevision not only that, Matt Cleevely told me at Farnborough that they will be (I'm paraphrasing here - didn't have the presence of mind to record the conversation) carrying on the work of Muxsan and that they plan to start a battery replacement operation by the end of 2024.
If I remember rightly, Muxsan used a CCS charging module from the BMW i3 to handle the actual CCS madness, and then talked to that from the CAN-bus to handle charging and connecting direct to the battery (rather than sharing cabling with the CHAdeMO port, and risking energising the open socket...)
All in all an adapter which can do CCS to CAN translation feels like a cleaner solution, as direct work in a vehicle is always going to be more costly than a factory made part.
I haven't tried it yet (not needed to), but I recently bought an adapter from Jiangsu Orientrise Technology Co for about £640. It has a battery inside it, which I suspect might help in the initial plugging in phase. I will give it a go sometime and see.
Correct - all CCS to CHAdeMO adapters need to have an onboard computer to translate one protocol to the other, which in turn pushes up the price vs the likes of the Tesla CCS adapter or NACS to CCS adapter.
I have the same adaptor it works well
@@leeduffell8573 That's good to know, thank you. I haven't seen any reviews of it, so was taking a bit of a chance.
Very interesting - could be worth having. I don't do too much long distance travel but I have the 62kWh Leaf.
A question of personal interest ... would the adapter work for CHAdeMO based V2G connections? Does this adapter do both directions?
I'm aware of a company that's trying to get a LEAF to do V2G on a CCS V2G charger using this adapter. If they crack that, I'll keep you posted.
Throughout the video I was thinking if anyone had been crazy enough to try that CCS adapter with a Tesla CHAdeMO adapter, and then you did! I notice your Tesla CHAdeMO adapter is revision C. Perhaps a revision D adapter would work?
Ooh good point. I'll look into that...
Can you get a Kona to charge the other way - on Chademo, by turning it around the other way ? (asking for a friend)!
Not using that charger, but funnily enough I did stumble across a CHAdeMO to CCS adapter on eBay - search "CHAdeMO to CCS2 Adapter for EV Charging"
It's designed to allow European cars to be charged in Japan, which has stuck with its CHAdeMO format (which, as I've said elsewhere, is similar to Betamax in that it is the superior format which cruelly lost the format war).
@PlugLifeTelevision My main complaint about Chademo, despite my delight in the origins of the term itself (cup of tea) - as someone who spent a happy year living in Japan - were always with its vast weight and clumsiness.
An adaptor is on my shopping list ;) Great video. I appreciate they are new kids on the block but I'm wondering will and adaptor outlive the car?
Good question. There's only one way to find out!
Great news for long life Leafs. It is now the lowest VED car around. Suddenly battery replacement looks appealing. Any thoughts on the state of play there?
There are a few companies working on liquid-cooled aftermarket Nissan LEAF battery packs, including Electron Garage funnily enough. EVs Enhanced in New Zealand is another one. There are a few such batteries coming out of China now too, but I haven't looked into their spec or build quality.
Not sure if there’s a valid business case for renting these adapters…
If a business invested in several of them and rented them out (with a chunky deposit) to road tripping Leaf/ENV owners does that make financial sense?
Funnily enough I've thought the same. It depends how much demand there would be for a rental service, how much the rental would cost, and the cost of insurance in case someone doesn't return the adapter. In the UK, you could imagine the Tesla Owners Club doing an adapter rental service if Tesla had made the LEAF; whether or not the Nissan EV Owners Club would be up for doing this, I'm not too sure. @NissanEVOwnersUK
@PlugLifeTelevision The deposit would be the cost of the adapter and the return would be that amount less the rental fee, if a club did this then there could be a post and return factored into this.
The alternative is to have the adapter in a locked box at the charger site and require a credit card deposit to open it. I think FastNed may have doen something like this in the past.
Anything on the legality of using these in terms of the CPOs? Can't imagine they're going to be thrilled at the prospect of these starting to become slightly more common.
I can't imagine why a CPO would dislike a well-made adapter being used to expand their customer base. If an EV driver is charging on their chargers, paying them for their electrons and saving the CPO money through the avoidance of installing an underutilised CHAdeMO cable, then the CPO will be happy!
@PlugLifeTelevision because they don't know that the adapter is well made or meets electrical regulations/safety regs.
And most chargers will have a higher throughput if they support only newer faster charging cars, a leaf that takes 40 minutes to add a meaningful amount of power isn't going to increase their throughput of customers or improve their profits
That's actually no real benefit for them doing any work to support these adapters. I wish there was but I think they will always be unsupported
I purposefully choose chargers that are capable of >50kW its taking some experimenting. to work out which ones. The trouble is we rapid charge so little now with the 62kW the price of the adapter would have to drop a lot and chademo to become a lot rarer for it to be worthwhile.
There are already parts of the country where CHAdeMO is being removed. For example, FOR:EV installed a much needed new rapid charger at the Real Food Cafe in Tyndrum to replace the old and unreliable ChargePlace Scotland charger that was there. However, while the old CPS charger was triple-headed (CHAdeMO, CCS and Type 2), the new FOR:EV charger has 2x CCS cables only. It is a much more reliable and user-friendly charger than the CPS one, but it has made life difficult for LEAF and e-NV200 drivers going through one of the more remote and touristy parts of Scotland. I've already appealed to FOR:EV to provide a CHAdeMO cable at the site, but I've been told that utilisation would be too low to justify it. If this attitude is echoed across the rest of Scotland and the UK, then the CCS to CHAdeMO adapter will be an essential piece of kit for LEAF and e-NV200 drivers to keep in the boot.
I own a 2018 nissan leaf, but I am looking to buy an adapter. The only ones I can find are very expensive. Some of over a thousand pounds. Can you tell me if i can buy one cheaper, or get one on a payment plan. Will put you on my subscription list and wait for an answer. Thanks again and good job.
I'm still looking about for a cheaper deal for this adapter, and will post the best deal that I can find asap. I'll also post a link to a cheaper alternative brand of charger if I find one, with the caveat that I've not personally tested any other than the Electway one in this video so far.
I dread to think what this is doing to the BMS readings. Any change in Hx of SOH readings after this experiment in LSP?
I'd rather just use the LEAF 40 as a medium-range EV to avoid lots of potentially damaging battery temperatures, charging on AC while I'm at work/asleep.
If I had an e+ I'd just stop to charge every 150 miles and have a nice long snack-break while I wait.
The adapter isn't forcing the car to do anything it doesn't want to. On the contrary, the car takes as much power as it wants to, within the limits of the charger cable and the adapter's maximum current. The adapter merely lets the LEAF e+ charge at the sort of power that it was designed to achieve, but very few chargers were designed to deliver via CHAdeMO.
I've seen other tests that weren't that fussy on the communication.
I have a 40 kwh Leaf and am curious about these adaptors but also uneasy about them. We're talking high voltages and amps going through some adapter made by an unknown brand. Also seems flaky if you have to half plug one side in first, before putting it in the car.
Is it possible to get a CCS installed in stead of chademo? Or even replace the type 2 socket with CCS on the Leaf?
Fear not: the LEAF will not charge any faster than it wants to using this adapter - the LEAF controls the charging session, not the charger. The BMS already has conservative charge power limits applied to it to prevent the battery from being damaged. As for the adapter, there was no sign of it becoming hot or unable to handle the power going through it. The need to plug in one side is purely to wake up its onboard computer, which is something that could easily be resolved in future versions using a "wake up/power on" button.
Muxsan did a retrofit where they replaced the Type 2 socket with CCS. Unfortunately they recently went into administration. However, they proved that it's possible.
I have had 75 Kw with m E+ Nissan on a Chademo 150k charger and it stayed until about 65% then went down to 45Kw until 80%.
Not too shabby! Roughly what was the ambient temperature and the battery's temperature at the start of the charging session?
@PlugLifeTelevision It was about 16 celsius daytime and didn't check battery temperature but didn't plug in for 10 minutes as the Charger had to be reset to work in the first place. So we got a Free Charge.
I thought the Leaf's battery wasn't cooled?
Correct, it's not got a thermal management system at all.
Can it be tested on a 40kw leaf please?
This adapter will definitely work on a 40 kWh LEAF. The 40 kWh LEAF was limited to a maximum of 50 kW charge power, so the adapter wouldn't allow it to go any higher than this.
I imagine this would make the Lexus UX more useable too.
Correct, although it's such a rare EV that it might be a while before we find out for sure.
Regularly get over 50 on our 62kwh on 80-100. does depend on the charger though. I've got 100 once...
Oh wow, so Nissan wasn't lying about the e+ being able to pull up to 100 kW. Nice!
thought e+ could do 120kW ?
The highest charge power that I've ever heard the LEAF e+ claimed to be capable of pulling is 100 kW. That was from Nissan just before they launched the e+, but they went very quiet on that claim shortly afterwards. 70ish kW is the highest that I've seen any LEAF e+ driver report during rapid charging.
Hi New, to your channel I’m looking for an adapter for my Nissan leaf 30 kg 2017. Will this fit the I am in the UK? Could you put me on some sites which do the address for the UK?
Yes, the adapter will fit any Nissan LEAF with a CHAdeMO socket. I'm still awaiting details of the UK distributor, which I'll post in the video description asap.
Thank you will look out for this
Miev/c-zero/ion compatible?
I've not tested it on those cars but I'm pretty sure it will work. CHAdeMO is a rigorously defined protocol, so the chances of there being any differences that lead to compatibility issues are minimal.
The faster you charge a Lithium battery, the higher your chances of Lithium plating occurring, which then results in dendrite formation, which perforate the separating membrane and results in thermal runaway. Don’t take my word for it research Lithium plating and thermal runaway.
I'm a battery electrochemist by trade.
As with any other EV, the LEAF will not charge any faster than it wants to using this adapter - the LEAF controls the charging session, not the charger. The BMS already has conservative charge power limits applied to it to prevent dendrite formation.
Even if you only get the normal speeds, its a game changer just being able to use ccs. Next, will tesla let it charge? Then you get cheap chargeing too.
Good point - I might take my LEAF and the adapter on a run to the nearest open-to-non-Tesla supercharger when I get the chance!
Don't give Tesla your cash..
@PlugLifeTelevision From my experience with the Electway adapter ,it works with Supercharger V3. But make sure to charge your adapter battery using the supplied cigarette-lighter charger before trying. Parking a Leaf (I have the 2017 AZE0) at the supercharger before V4 is a pain so try to find a V4 if possible.
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Please dont clog fast chargers with this slow chademo nonsense.
1) The LEAF e+ charges at a higher power than many older (and some newer!) CCS EVs
2) There are six CCS plugs at the rapid charging hub I used. Every time I used those chargers, there was at least one other CCS plug available for someone else. Not that it matters, because my car was rapid charging, so I was perfectly entitled to use it. The charge point operator was happy that I was spending money with them and moving on as soon as I was done.
"rapid charging" 😂😂😂