BMW M5 F10 Bolt Ons 93 vs BMW M340i Downpipe E50

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  • Опубликовано: 20 мар 2021
  • BMW M5 F10 vs BMW M340i G20
    M5 has intakes and full catless exhaust on a 93 tune.
    M340i has catless downpipe, chargepipes, and E50 tune.
    1st race was from 50 MPH
    2nd race was from 60 MPH
    3rd race (Flyby with no passengers) was from 60 MPH
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  • @christianlazala7371
    @christianlazala7371 3 года назад +38

    Definitely the most quality channel for races I’ve ever seen 💪

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +3

      Thanks Christian! I appreciate that! Glad you enjoy the channel

  • @Hamster99ful
    @Hamster99ful 3 года назад +81

    great channel, straight to the races no bullshit, you earned a sub my friend

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +1

      Thanks bro. I greatly appreciate it!

  • @oldschoolebm666
    @oldschoolebm666 3 года назад +51

    That M340 moves...damn.
    This is how's done... small intro about the mods. Then straight to business. Subbed.

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +3

      Thank you! I really appreciate it! Glad you liked the video 😇

    • @JB-fm4tb
      @JB-fm4tb 2 года назад

      Lmaoo what? He got dusted

  • @chrissmith1364
    @chrissmith1364 3 года назад +7

    Watching all your BMW content made me Tune my 750li. Thanks for the good videos, straight to the point. Hopefully you grow faster. God bless

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад

      Thanks for watching Chris. I hope your enjoying the 750!!! I appreciate your support! God bless you too bro!

  • @bobnewhart4318
    @bobnewhart4318 3 года назад +61

    Underated channel

  • @Matthew-yh3hh
    @Matthew-yh3hh 3 года назад +23

    4.4 bi turbo is another beast but man that m340i pulls brutal ! No jokes

  • @10R8OH
    @10R8OH 3 года назад +1

    I’d never expect that from a such a clean 4 door! 🔥🔥🔥

  • @MBQ11
    @MBQ11 3 года назад +4

    Big love from Saudi Arabia to your channel

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад

      Thank you so much! Appreciate it

  • @georgenaidoo9553
    @georgenaidoo9553 3 года назад +2

    What a too-the-point channel. I love it

  • @Q60jay
    @Q60jay 3 года назад +28

    340i didn’t do bad at all . Good runs 🔥

  • @gogz1981
    @gogz1981 3 года назад +1

    🔥🔥🔥 channel. Keep em coming

  • @NucefGuapo
    @NucefGuapo Год назад +4

    I have an F10 M5. But the b58’s are wild. Still, the year difference is a factor. Love the styling on the F10 and it’s bigger 👀

  • @MikeyG003
    @MikeyG003 3 года назад +4

    that's a really clean looking m5

  • @prodbyJkushoutalean
    @prodbyJkushoutalean 11 месяцев назад +2

    The f10 looked nasty 🔥 at the end

  • @raymondchen6720
    @raymondchen6720 2 года назад +5

    That’s impressive on both ends especially considering the m5 is only running 93

  • @realestateeric
    @realestateeric 2 года назад +21

    That B58 is insane. It's not even an "M" engine yet it keeps up with an "M " engine with two more cylinders. It's so easily available in so many platforms too!

    • @stefancupovic4824
      @stefancupovic4824 2 года назад +10

      Anyone that talks shit abour b58 hasnt experienced it. Solid engines and proper performance and thats coming from M guy. The 1,2,3,440i is all you need. Heck even the 540 rips.

    • @Slicks-N-Skinnies
      @Slicks-N-Skinnies Год назад +13

      What video did you watch I didn't see a B58 keeping up.

    • @hermessrt2414
      @hermessrt2414 Год назад +1

      Lol right. He was too delusional. Keeping up means u are like by the trunk. This M5 is big daddy, lucky the M340i was tuned otherwise it would have been an embarrassment and bus length. Most m340i are tuned u barely see a stock one to race

    • @bencouyoute
      @bencouyoute Год назад +2

      @@hermessrt2414 you also gotta remember the m5 isn’t stock I have an m6 myself that’s really good for a 340

    • @getadifit
      @getadifit Год назад +2

      M340i stock turbo are slow. They need big turbo to be impressive. I have a mk7 gti on vortex XL by eqt making 580 whp on e85 and I was fbo. e85 M340i all day getting walked by my GTI I’m talking 3 buss lengths.

  • @franklinwatson7767
    @franklinwatson7767 3 года назад +21

    I'm highly impressed with the 340i.

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +4

      For only a downpipe and e50 fuel! Amazing

  • @Leostunzz
    @Leostunzz 3 года назад +1

    Both cars movin my man. I can only imagine what the new M3 is gonna be capable of 😅

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +1

      Yea I know someone who just ordered the new m3. Looking forward for the videos with it 😇

  • @AlexPE19999
    @AlexPE19999 3 года назад +1

    Love your videos post more please

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад

      Thanks Alex. Got more to post up soon!

  • @eliezermakaya6520
    @eliezermakaya6520 3 года назад +15

    Those m340i are freaking fast that’s crazy for an none M car

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +3

      Yes they are. Great car!

    • @germanengineering204
      @germanengineering204 3 года назад +2

      M light some call them, but honestly the M 240i is what I just bought, and feel it's the best bang for your buck in the whole BMW lineup!

    • @simplyjay9451
      @simplyjay9451 3 года назад +2

      @@germanengineering204 I’m really stuck between the m240i or m340i, I love how shorter the 240i looks kind of like a 1 series , but was wondering if I were to go fbo on e would it be the same as a 340i or would the 340i be faster?

    • @fubu45
      @fubu45 2 года назад

      @@germanengineering204 yeah right. Not in Florida I specifically got a 340i bc 240i are all over 40k & the ones with hard tops are even more which is what I wanted. 440i looks to long and boaty to be a coupe. & plus I got a spanking deal on my 340i with 28k in today’s market. But yeah I never have people in the back. Lowkey thinking about getting two anime girl body pillows and just strapping them in the back.

    • @germanengineering204
      @germanengineering204 2 года назад

      @@fubu45 Damn didn't realize even a 2017 would sell for that much still! I see them for less on Car Gurus lately in different places! I guess my 2021 240i x drive is holding its value better then I thought! Nice choice what model year is your car?

  • @S.Madman
    @S.Madman 3 года назад +1

    Oh man, bonus material.

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +1

      You like that flyby lol 😅

  • @ostreds
    @ostreds 3 года назад +1

    love the vids...and the FLPD has no idea this going on constantly? LOL!

  • @fitfogey
    @fitfogey 3 года назад +2

    Great race. Beautiful cars.

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching. They are very nice 😁

  • @brianrockefeller3552
    @brianrockefeller3552 3 года назад

    Holly shit this channel is owesome

  • @tractioncontroldelete
    @tractioncontroldelete 3 года назад +2

    Yo! I didn’t realize the 340 was cooking like that! 🤯

  • @John-qc1zv
    @John-qc1zv 2 года назад +3

    Damn, that M5 looks so good. I love the G20 but the white color is not looking well on the G20, good race.

  • @Veyronp87
    @Veyronp87 10 месяцев назад

    love both cars!

  • @redishoxha6558
    @redishoxha6558 Год назад +1

    One of the sexiest f10’s I’ve seen

  • @ManuelSanchez-hz6ij
    @ManuelSanchez-hz6ij 3 года назад

    Amazing!

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад

      Glad you liked the video 😇

  • @ishave2506
    @ishave2506 3 года назад +1

    damn he really rolled down the window and won

  • @aaronrich4576
    @aaronrich4576 3 года назад +14

    I actually thought the 340 would win. Sure I'll get called names for that. But those B58s on E50 are constantly punching above their weight

  • @Riverael8
    @Riverael8 2 года назад +1

    Could just imagine a big turbo on that B58 🥱

  • @Jasonnf1
    @Jasonnf1 3 года назад +1

    Anyways i like your content ❤️

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +1

      Thank you jason!!!

  • @NutButDontTella
    @NutButDontTella 3 года назад +20

    Big improvement on the F90, crazy what minor adjustments and awd does

    • @davidcraig7771
      @davidcraig7771 3 года назад

      Was the motor re designed?

    • @mateogarcia1207
      @mateogarcia1207 3 года назад

      @@davidcraig7771 i would imagine since it’s making like 600 hp vs 550ish did the F10

    • @ejcucinelli7695
      @ejcucinelli7695 3 года назад

      @@mateogarcia1207 they had to re design because bmw had a class action lawsuit for the f10 m5 and every car that had the tt v8 because the turbos are in a hot v configuration and they melted a lot of gaskets

    • @Antimatter.
      @Antimatter. 3 года назад +4

      Guys believe it or not the F90s M5 and M8s are a worse design , antifreeze mixing with oil and blow up pistons and rods , but there basically the same design S63tu engine , the F90s fuel system is slightly better

    • @Mr84038
      @Mr84038 3 года назад

      @@Antimatter. yeah iv herd couple similar things. This guy i know his m5 had his injectors replaced and another guy blew his motor

  • @jdude6967
    @jdude6967 3 года назад +1

    I enjoyed this good job mate 🔥

  • @edgardoccruz1349
    @edgardoccruz1349 3 года назад

    No bullshit in this channel.. let’s line them up and go💪💪

  • @rozay4033
    @rozay4033 3 года назад +2

    Proud of the m340i but M5 is Big bro . #Mpower

  • @ronaldyousif7517
    @ronaldyousif7517 3 года назад

    fuckin beautiful 😭🙌❤️

  • @shamilkhatri1630
    @shamilkhatri1630 3 года назад +2

    "Not bad" it really isn't damn the M340i keeping up with the daddy

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад

      Yea bro. The m340i has alot of potential! Got several videos of this m340i on the channel. It's making close to 500 whp on stock turbo.

    • @cole7984
      @cole7984 2 года назад

      I wouldnt say it kept up at all

  • @boostedbavarian
    @boostedbavarian Год назад +1

    B58 is amazeballs. I own one. I get it. The m5 is 1 tune away from madness tho. Doesn't show to be tuned. If it were I'm guessing it would out out around 700hp. My stg2 340 just ain't keeping up with that.

  • @gbass7328
    @gbass7328 3 года назад

    Fly by was cool.......why are there never cops out there? lol

  • @FightScienceAa82
    @FightScienceAa82 3 года назад

    What kind of wheels (rims) or on the F10 M5 size and brand please 🙏🏽. Thanks

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +1

      Next time I see him I'll ask.

    • @FightScienceAa82
      @FightScienceAa82 3 года назад

      @@AutoGlory thank you - I really, really, appreciate it.

  • @maironcruz4469
    @maironcruz4469 3 года назад

    Should’ve done a 30/40 roll. But nice job either way

  • @ezywin_matrixoutsider
    @ezywin_matrixoutsider 3 года назад +1

    M5 F10 is one of my favorite cars

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +2

      Got a few videos of the f10 on the channel. Will get some more 😇

    • @ezywin_matrixoutsider
      @ezywin_matrixoutsider 3 года назад +1

      @@AutoGlory thanks you, keep them quality video coming💪💪

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад

      @@ezywin_matrixoutsider will do! Glad you like the channel 😇

    • @mosquitogzz
      @mosquitogzz 9 месяцев назад

      @@AutoGloryhe has instagram?

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  9 месяцев назад

      @mosquitogzz I do not know. Havnt seen the f10 owner in a while

  • @shftdwn1
    @shftdwn1 3 года назад +45

    Them bmw crackling tunes 🤦‍♂️

    • @nickadkins7765
      @nickadkins7765 3 года назад +27

      I'm saying man. An M5 should not sound like that

    • @danjohansson4466
      @danjohansson4466 3 года назад +11

      Fully agree, that crackling is just embarrassing. Excellent clip otherwise!

    • @sleeksilver
      @sleeksilver 3 года назад +3

      They are so awful, completely agree.

    • @Patient_Lion_BS
      @Patient_Lion_BS 3 года назад +3

      Please, come on down to UK, it's all you will ever hear...
      Overrun for days? You got it.
      Maybe some gun shots? Mmmhmm.
      How bout when you rev it and lift, it lets off one big explosion that is beyond illegal and will legit hurt your ears? You betcha testosterone.

    • @MikeyG003
      @MikeyG003 3 года назад +1

      @@Patient_Lion_BS same shit over here in the states... it's another pandemic

  • @jessegriffith6401
    @jessegriffith6401 3 года назад +5

    That M5 seems slower than it should be... was he using 2nd gear? Mine pulls so hard it hardly has traction in 2nd, I use 3rd and still pull harder!
    F10 FBO Stage 2 tune

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +1

      Don't know which gear he started in and who tuned it or what kind of tune the m5 has

    • @jessegriffith6401
      @jessegriffith6401 3 года назад +1

      @@AutoGlory Still fun to see, I haven't raced a new M340i yet... but I ain't scared! Haha

    • @blueboy189
      @blueboy189 3 года назад +1

      @@jessegriffith6401 - be very close at the lights mate.

    • @jessegriffith6401
      @jessegriffith6401 3 года назад +2

      @@blueboy189 100% a M340i would get me off the line while I manage tire spin, but after that nothing but taillights! 🚀🚀🚀

    • @MM-su4gu
      @MM-su4gu 3 года назад +1

      @@jessegriffith6401 on a roll you’ll win easy

  • @RelaxAndSmokeMeth
    @RelaxAndSmokeMeth 3 года назад +1

    M340 is super impressive

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +1

      I know. Those motors are pushing 600-700 whp stock internals too !

  • @lexusrcflover9175
    @lexusrcflover9175 3 года назад +2

    It takes alot of power to beat any m5 or m6 from a roll....best chance against these older rwd versions are from a dig cuz from a roll these cars are like GTRs If not faster at times....m340 held on well uptop

    • @intelligentcarreviews8592
      @intelligentcarreviews8592 3 года назад +1

      Yeah most cars don't stand a chance, even ferrari have a hard to keeping even!!

  • @Zsword92
    @Zsword92 3 года назад +2

    E50 gives a lot of extra performance

  • @G20T
    @G20T Год назад

    Respect the v8

  • @jordanman316
    @jordanman316 3 года назад +1

    Who’s are the tuners

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад

      M340i Kagander Tuning. M5 I don't know

  • @nickadkins7765
    @nickadkins7765 3 года назад +13

    M5 with a crackle tune 🤮....my ears are bleeding! Great video though!

  • @synex5358
    @synex5358 2 года назад

    Not sure if the m340i is that fast or the M5 was just that slow

  • @claudioagmfilho
    @claudioagmfilho 2 года назад

    🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻

  • @jponz85
    @jponz85 3 года назад +8

    "Not bad not bad" dude got walked hard wtf lol

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +7

      For a non "m" car... it wasn't a bad race at all. And I wouldn't call that walked bad! It was only a few cars bro.

    • @Patient_Lion_BS
      @Patient_Lion_BS 3 года назад +8

      Calm down john, go back to your room.

    • @jponz85
      @jponz85 3 года назад +1

      @@AutoGlory the gap would had kept getting bigger and bigger and no that was more than "a few car lenghts" length dude lol

    • @jponz85
      @jponz85 3 года назад

      @@Patient_Lion_BS calm down kid no one asked you anything

    • @germanengineering204
      @germanengineering204 3 года назад +1

      @@jponz85 he did pretty good considering what the car was especially the first time around!

  • @brandongarcia4838
    @brandongarcia4838 3 года назад

    I notice alot of cars get the m340i on the top end.

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +1

      It's probably because the others cars hp numbers finally overtake the m340i. The m340i is making close to 600 tq. But close to 500 hp.

    • @MaybeNextTime0
      @MaybeNextTime0 3 года назад

      Yup, same with the older 340i. Very strong torque, but the lack of HP catches up to it.

  • @ftmhome
    @ftmhome 3 года назад

    What year M340?

  • @huynhcharlie1
    @huynhcharlie1 2 месяца назад

    the f10 driver shoulda been in 3rd woulda put a buss on that 340

  • @nsflarna
    @nsflarna 3 года назад +2

    When you think about it for a v8 twin turbo it’s really bad

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад

      I have no idea how good his 93 tune was but keep in mind it's 400 lbs heavier than the m340i that's on e50

    • @nsflarna
      @nsflarna 3 года назад +1

      @@AutoGlory non m car 60K CAD vs m5 car 150K CAD x2 turbos 2 more cylinder

  • @bluecar786
    @bluecar786 2 года назад

    Get a pure 800 turbo and stage 2 HPFP on the 340i and call it a day!

    • @Haramer
      @Haramer 2 года назад

      I’m not sure if the G20 B58TU1 needs an aftermarket HPFP. I believe the technical update comes with upgraded HPFP. You would need that for Stage 2 on an F3 340i tho

    • @aharding101
      @aharding101 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@Harameryea you don't need it on pump gas and up to e30 anything more then e30 and you should go hpfp

    • @Haramer
      @Haramer 11 месяцев назад

      @@aharding101 I wish I could get some E in Washington 😂 too bad we don’t have enough corn fields to have them at gas stations

  • @JacesOwnWorld
    @JacesOwnWorld 3 года назад +3

    This just doesn’t make sense to me how a modded M340i vs a modded M5 is this close of a race. Yes I understand the M340i is lighter and has increased fueling and tuning, but still. The M5 should be A LOT faster considering it’s price and prestige. Why can’t BMW bring back M5 godliness like the E39 M5 once was 😭😭😢

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад

      It's possible the tune wasn't very aggressive or was a mail in tune? Not sure. Should have asked who tuned it. Would have had much better idea if it was a good tune or not.

    • @jacobsherwood1655
      @jacobsherwood1655 3 года назад +6

      The f90 is a lot faster

    • @nickadkins7765
      @nickadkins7765 3 года назад +3

      That M5 is like 8 years old. It's not a new one. 340i should have the B58 which is the same engine that's in the supra. 340i probably makes close to 500whp and 500+wtq

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +4

      @Nick Adkins the tq on this m340i is closer to 600

    • @NutButDontTella
      @NutButDontTella 3 года назад

      The F10 gearing in the DCT is all 5th+, look at the VMAX numbers, the top end is ridiculous but noone ever takes these things past 150. The new F90 although, does a 10.2 on the street with a jb4 only.

  • @Thatbimmerguyy
    @Thatbimmerguyy 3 года назад +2

    M5 needs to be retuned. He should be below 8s 60-130. That 340i shouldn't even be a close match.

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад

      I don't know who the tuner was or what kind of tune. I was expecting it to be a bit faster too.

    • @Thatbimmerguyy
      @Thatbimmerguyy 3 года назад

      @@AutoGlory correct. He needs to log it and check if he's pulling timing. Thinking he might be running 91oct or 92oct on that "93 oct tune".

    • @1savagem3
      @1savagem3 3 года назад

      Below 8s on 93oct I highly doubt it, he is definitely on the 8s so for a 93 tune I think he is doing great. I have a dragy from a 2020 m5 comp and the guy is on the 8s with a jb4

    • @Thatbimmerguyy
      @Thatbimmerguyy 3 года назад +3

      @@1savagem3 I own an f10 m5, on downpipes and tune only I was able to manage a 7.5-7.6 60-130. After intakes I brought it down to 7.2.
      A good running f10 m5 is capable of consistent mid 7s 60-130 on a
      93oct tune.

    • @1savagem3
      @1savagem3 3 года назад +1

      @@Thatbimmerguyy I understand that but you also have to look at the weather and humidity. What people make in other places is not the same as down here in Miami. My car is capable of doing 8.2 and even lower on a great weather, I have done 8.4 in the winter but brother is not the same now. Believe me when I say that. If you live down here and you are doing 7s with your m5 on 93 oct then I shut my mouth and my respect to your build and the tuner.

  • @themaveric32
    @themaveric32 2 года назад +1

    If the f10 was on e85, that 340 would of been completely busy lengthed.

    • @goodfella949
      @goodfella949 2 года назад +1

      Would have also blown it's motor to soon after...

    • @Cal-oh2kc
      @Cal-oh2kc Год назад

      @@goodfella949 LCI models don’t have any rod bearing issues

    • @themaveric32
      @themaveric32 4 месяца назад

      Actually, e85 prevents all the issues that come with higher boost. You must to be new to this lmao..​@goodfella949

  • @MacaroniTimeBakBak
    @MacaroniTimeBakBak 2 года назад

    The m5 gets hungrier on the rolls 😭

  • @JnateM
    @JnateM 2 года назад

    hate these pop corn tunes🤦‍♂️ good race though

  • @giraykharizzma7737
    @giraykharizzma7737 2 года назад +1

    Everyone saying here oh m340i did a great job against m5 .Are you guys fucking me ? The m5 Is just playing with it like a toy 😂😂

  • @dylanw890
    @dylanw890 2 года назад +9

    The M340i is a great car but lets be real, it was going up against an M5 😂

  • @guccipig2782
    @guccipig2782 16 дней назад

    Its hard to beat an m5

  • @ns5337
    @ns5337 3 года назад +4

    first

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад

      Nice lol!

    • @ns5337
      @ns5337 3 года назад +1

      @@AutoGlory love the videos bro , love from Toronto, Canada

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад

      Thank you my friend!

  • @colin55594
    @colin55594 3 года назад

    All type of shit car guys need, this like the ghetto car wow Channel lol

  • @Jasonnf1
    @Jasonnf1 3 года назад

    BRUH STOP SHORT SHIFTING

  • @stevenotto2581
    @stevenotto2581 3 года назад +1

    Honestly....the exhaust sounds weak as hell in both cars. Neither sounds anywhere near as good as a stock E39 M5.

    • @tylercouture216
      @tylercouture216 3 года назад

      Or a e60 m5

    • @1savagem3
      @1savagem3 3 года назад

      Burbles on the m340i are completely off on purpose. Unnecessary overheat for no reason.

  • @phatniss
    @phatniss 2 месяца назад

    M5 sounds wanky with the overboard pops and bangs

  • @the-ultimate-mo9177
    @the-ultimate-mo9177 3 года назад

    Awd is king in 0-100. After that the weight starts becoming a factor.

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад +2

      This m5 is rwd. F10 gen

  • @ssanderson12
    @ssanderson12 3 года назад +1

    Geeeeez those burbles are annoying af.

    • @tylercouture216
      @tylercouture216 3 года назад

      I hate that shit it's literally the new craze

  • @josephlewis6526
    @josephlewis6526 3 года назад

    Way to ruin an m5 with 20 pops and bangs. Why do that to your car

  • @jonAthanCowboy1
    @jonAthanCowboy1 3 года назад +2

    fart machine

  • @Carlosc707
    @Carlosc707 5 месяцев назад

    God damn that m5 sounds like shit

  • @tylerp3053
    @tylerp3053 3 года назад

    That M5 is tuned liked shit and runs like ass. This race shouldn't have even been close.

    • @AutoGlory
      @AutoGlory  3 года назад

      We will find out soon. I know someone who is bone stock and will be doing mods and tune on 93. He will race the 340i and compare

  • @bavarianbaron
    @bavarianbaron Месяц назад

    Cannot stand burble tunes. Unreal that anyone thinks that sounds good