APU vs Budget GPU - Are APUs Still Worth It?
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When given a budget of only $400, is it better to have just an APU or should you still get a GPU? Today we're putting this question to the test! Budget gaming system with a dedicated graphics card vs integrated graphics on an APU.
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You guys need to revisit this topic in a few months when FSR3 is released for the AMD APU's.
the reason I went for 5700g instead of an equivalent CPU was It will save me some money for now and I can always get a good GPU later on.
More pcie lanes as well
This is honestly a massively diminished choice though.
The fact of the matter is you can buy a Rx 580 8gb for $80. When you sell it, you'll probably still get $50-60.
The 5700g and 5600g lack pci-e 4.0 and have half the cache of a 5600/5700. When you sell them, they aren't gonna be worth any more than the non G varients.
The Rx 580 8gb at $80 just makes APUs mostly obsolete. These guys were showing a Rx 460 beating a 5600g by 20%. A 580 is much better than that.
For $400, I'd do personally:
$80 Rx 580 8gb
$55 i3 10100f used
$70 z490/z590 motherboard (you could save a bit and go b460/b560 but I think the bit extra is worth it)
$50 generic case
$40 decent 500 watt power supply
$45 16gb ddr4 3200 cl16
$50 for a 1tb SSD
This...I like this
@@brandontrost8888 only way to pull them prices off is with a business account and no tax or shipping.
I'd say apus are worth it if they crank out atleast 1050ti level performance for under 200-250$.
I'd just go for a 150$ cpu and get a 580 for 100$ other wise.
APU's depend LARGELY on the RAM in use.
To be fair, to only be getting about 15-20 fps less with an iGPU is amazing. Waiting to see what they do with Ryzen 7000G products
All 7000 cpus have i gpus
@@averagerin1821 I know that I mean when they do "Gaming" focused ones. The ones in the 7000 series currently are just for display they have no other purpose.
@@brandenbridge5307also the igpus on the 7000 series cpus are like worst than the igpu on the athlon 200ge and 3000g
DDR5 + APU could interesting once DDR5 prices go down.
indeed
I bought a 5600G just so that I can make my PC functional while waiting to be able to buy a GPU, and when that time comes, I'll just treat my 5600G as like a 5500.
Some people buy APUs because their goal is just to at least make the PC functional first and/or because their budget is still incomplete. Not everyone has the luxury and privilege of USD pricing and lesser to no shipping cost, and not everyone has $300-500 just lying around for a gaming PC.
I bought a 5600g during the pandemic and was able to play games like CS GO and dragons dogma pretty well. I simply played easier to run games and it was fine. Later I added a 5700xt and now it runs basically anything 1080p ultra.
This my goal. Is R5 4650g will be decent for today game? I see some vids that rdr2 and pubg is playable. My biggest question is will it run tarkov decently?
@@yevanasvetya5486 i really wouldnt go below a 5600g or 5700g because the better CPU actually makes a difference, also I believe the IGPU on the 5700g is better
@@kumar8837 ill think about it thanks
@@yevanasvetya5486 I don't know much about that particular processor and I know this answer is kinda annoying, but try to do more research about it and any GPUs that you plan on matching with it if ever.
my understanding is that RGB boost your fps by like a 100% so I'd say the AMD apu is best
Yeah but can you say that's a fair comparison. They purposely put no RGB in the Intel PC. This just proves that they are AMD shills.
Someone will probably take that seriously 😭
@@dragoon8675 You know, it doesn;t, but when you try to swing that old PC secondhand in a few years, the pretty ones sell better than a dirty old black box.
@@poepflater ye , people tht jst want cheap rigs to games have eyed more on the RGB's than old box one 😂
The 5600G got me started on my new build. Was able to game and work right away with just a B450 board and memory. Saved up and got a used RX6600 and then upgraded to a B550 board and a 5800X and sold all the old parts. So it was definitely worth it for me to get started and I was still able to sell them and someone else got a good deal on the used parts. Used is definitely a way to do this cheaply and the 5600G at least for me was a solid mid-tier gaming experience. It does fine. And it can be very cheap.
Sounds like a very bad use of your money
sounds pretty wasteful tbh, you spend $350 on the mobo and cpu when you couldve gotten same performance going 5600 and keeping the mobo, wouldve saved $200 and couldve gotten a 6750xt
I disagree with your upgradability conclusion. 5600G is a better CPU than 10100, plus you can upgrade it to 5800X3D on the same platform. There's no option comparable to 5800X3D on the 10100F platform.
the 10100f is not a bad little cpu but yeah the lga1200 is a dead platform
@@autumn42762 It's not bad, but if I'd really want intel, the 12100F is more expensive but also a lot faster and lga 1700 has way better upgradability.
@@autumn42762 and it's easier to sell th 5600g IMO than an 10100f for a better deal when upgrading
Several things.
1. You compared a new build with an APU vs a used build with a used GPU. That's not a fair comparison, all you did was compare new vs used, and of course the used will have better value.
2. You wasted money on RGB instead of faster RAM. APUs are dependent on how fast the RAM is.
3. For $300 you can build a new gaming PC with an APU. They're the ultimate budget gaming builds. If you try to do the same with a GPU your system will be gimped in either the CPU or GPU.
Back in 2018 I built a new system based on the Ryzen 5 2400G APU and for the first time in 20 years, I decided to NOT include a GPU (prices were crazy in those days).
I was amazed at how versatile the 2400G was, I could actually play games without a GPU! Yeah the framerate wasn't awesome but the very fact I COULD play those games was insane.
A year later I bought a 2nd hand RX580 and this is the setup I'm still rocking today.
The point is, IMHO: today's APUs are powerful enough to allow you to wait until you find better deals on graphics cards AND their CPU part is decent enough to keep up with at least a mid range GPU.
Raven Ridge to me was really the first chip that made the sub-100$ GPUs basically useless.
Funny enough that was my setup for years. Built 3 pc's with the 2400G, one I added an RX580. The other one was in an Asrock A300 Mini PC. Last one went to a brother which hasn't gotten back to me if he still uses it.
Same set up with you! 2400G and RX 580 a month after. Still able to play on good enough framerates at 1080p med-high settings on modern AAA titles.
@@marcosramirez385 Bro... I love My Aseock A300... I got mine with a 5700g, inocta cooler and 64g of ram used for 400$. A wireless logitech keyboard with trackpad and an xbox controller and its my living room PC. I am literally writing this while laying on the couch after I just played a game of Death by daylight. I wont ever upgrade, but a cheap case, motherboard and GOU and I would have a great higher end gaming pc.
Gaming in 2023 still on my 2400G Warframe without GPU. Waiting for the new line APUs. Always an APU lover. It's holding up pretty decent for a good 5 years.
Same combo. Rocking GTA 5, rocket league, Fortnite
APU at this point are a stepping stone to a dedicated gpu build and their cost efficiency are tied to how much ram it has and how fast it is. I think apu are better for ultimate budget setups where only light gaming is needed and displaying a 4k 60 signal is more important for movies and other content so lots of fast ram isn't needed plus they would make a perfect living room pc for the same reason. Just toss the steam os on it with some wireless controllers and boom a nice multimedia pc for the big screen to play light games and stream. Maybe a future video of making a budget steam os htpc?
No gamer needs more than 2x8gb
@@poepflater that is definetly not true. ray tracing eats ram! you wanna ray trace fortnite, its gonna shoot way over 16gb or ram! i hit almost 20gb just to ray trace fortnite! 16 is definitely THE MINIMUM but 32gb is the sweet spot now! games are going over 16gb (any game ray traced, Warzone, unreal engine 5 demos, etc) its crazy how much games need nowadays lol
@@trewinters ray tracing still sucks, I saw that demo when was it last week... it is still a future technology in practical terms. but for just about any other situation you may even find lower frame rates on a 32gb setup vs 16
@@poepflater As Games get demanding, an APU would need as much RAM as possible to handle them (especially for the next gen ones, when they come out), because Memory is the sole limiting factor for an APU build.
@@poepflater I manage to use over 16gb while playing spiderman remastered. its not necessary to have more than 16gb but its damn nice not having to close all background tasks
Came from an APU, APUs are not worth if you planning on upgrading, APUs are nice if you build a small pc for emulation and light gaming and want to put it in your living room. But as your main PC I wouldn't do it, I had a 3400G and it was a HUGE bottleneck for ANY GPU, like even a 1660 would be bottlenecked so no, is a big no for APUs of any kind, if you ever buy an APU buy it because you only want to use its potential and not because you want to upgrade it.
I have a small ITX build and is amazing with my 3400G in my living room, I play with my nephew and niece games like Ultimate Chicken Horse or Fall Guys or crap like that lol.
You are talking nonsense, a cpu like the 5600g is neck and neck with x86 benchmarks as a regular 5600 and the price is negligible now. No cpu is bottle necking on a 1600 which is not far above a RX 580.
Hello
ngl, amd ryzen apu has very awkwardly high performance in such small form factor, their drivers on big gpu seems to be kinda troll, but on apu it has no bug lmao
WIth a 4600g and 16 gig DDR4 3200, I was able to build a completely new system for 300.00 The build includes a 500 watt 80 plus PSU, MSI 550 Mobo with wifi and bluetooth. Ebay has the RX 5500xt for about a 100, there ya go! 400 bucks!
you conveniently ignored power usage and noise
playing with the integrated graphics uses about halt the power over a dedicadet GPU
I have switched to the Minisforum HM90 last summer with a AMD 4900H Processor, I can run most games at 60 FPS, the only game that is kind of struggling is Destiny 2
my old PC has a Ryzen 7 1800x+GTX 1080+32GB RAM
However, this mini PC uses about 60 watts under heavy load, the old PC used about 230 with moderate load doing the same task
changing to a mini PC cut my power bill in half, and at 30 cents kW/h that makes a huge difference
I still have the old PC, but I havn't turned it on since last june
also, with a more efficient PC it is easier to run off backup power
If you are worried about power usage for a PC then you are too poor to be playing video games and should be working.
I got a ryzen apu mid gpu shortage it was great for the time my other option was a dell optiplex and a gt 1030 I put a 6700xt in that pc and now it is a gaming beast
APU have a place in small form factor devices and will be the future for handhelds for atleast the next 2 years 😊
A 10100f isnt comparable to a 5600g, in a best case scenario its 33% slower, but typically its about half the speed.
i wanted like a bugdet pc , i was like like super close to like buy this spec with Ryzen 5 5600, like on the video
And then next day I woke up and got a facebook AD, from a store close to me for a 500$ with Ryzen 5 5500 and GTX 1660Super 16GB DDR4
And I was like BUY, so for first time was like thanking facebook for the AD
SO yea great PC for 1080p gaming, and for me enough.
So the PC I bought for 500$ was :
Ryzen 5 5500
16GB DDR4 3200
GTX 1660Super
SSD 512gb
It is a shame things got so expensive... But an entry-level new PC like 12100 with even an old GPU like RX570, will still provide very satisfying gaming.
Although I am waiting for 13400 to be released as my next upgrade from there... these processors are sooooooooo strong and are usually better than several tiers higher ones from earlier gens.
I hope we won't have to wait for bios upgrades or something like that to use it in existing B660 boards.
you can buy a ryzen 5 4500,rx580 2048sp(or a used gtx 1060),16gb ram,512 ssd, b450 motherboard with wifi and whatever case and psu you want for around 440$ usd that includes 8% sales tax and shipping cost. not to expensive imo plus thats are brand new parts unless you go for a 1060 but its around the same price as that rx580 2048sp
Hi can I have a pc pls
anyone know best gaming pc for 1200 cad?
@zohair kaleem where can i buy
@@austin_playz5094 do you have a Microcenter near you?
@@dylanallen7720 no
I was thing on going the APU route, then upgrade HARD.
I wouldn't put an i3 in anything. Its a one way ticket to obsolescence.
As a followup video you should put something along the lines of an RX6600 XT in each system and compare what you'd have after upgrading each.
My system went from a 5600G by itself to the 5600G with a RX6600 non XT. The 6600 was about 50 percent faster but also allowed for much higher quality settings. In some games I went from a solid 60fps to over 100. So the 5600G was fine. The 6600 just took it to a new level.
@@LatitudeSky I'd certainly expect great improvement, but curious what difference if any would be seen if your system had a 5600X and the 6600. My current debate is if I should wait and save for the GPU and do it all at once, or get the rest and build using the APU temporarily.
Rx 570less than $100 and very satisfying up to 1080p
@@okorpheus in my opinion you should get the gpu since if you get a good cpu it usually lasts a couple of gpu upgrades
@@bigmango202 That's the direction I intend to go. I found what I think was a good deal on used GPU (6600XT for $200), now just putting the rest of the system together. Seems like the prices of the 5600X have gone up in the last month or two and the 5600 has really spiked this week, so I'm leaning toward 12100 or 12400 a this point. Most likely going to get a 12100 and decent motherboard with plans to go to a 13400 if the CPU in any way limits what I want to do.
Strictly for out of the box performance yes you can technically say the i3 system is a better buy and is the only thing I agree with, but everywhere else the value is significantly lost due to the 5600g actually having better single core performance than the 10100f, has 2 more cores and 4 more threads, a better upgrade path with up to a 5900X 12c/24t (or even a 16c/32t 5950X though I don't recommend going that high end with a cheaper motherboard but it IS possible) vs a 10700k/10900k which are both only 8c/16t cpus and perform a little worse than the 5000 series AMD cpus altogether and for the same price point, you have much better future proofing value with the APU system. Gotta respectfully disagree with the end decision on this one gentlmen.
compare new APU with a new GPU not a used GPU that is cheating
R they?
my 5600g is still carying me out till today, curently planning on buying 6600xt. Apu kinda serve as future proofing in case dicrete graphics was toasted...
tbf I use to have a apu laptop with vega 8 graphics and I was pretty impressed as it ran farcry 5 and new dawn no problem. budget systems are really capable beast compared to my $400 a10 7850k from back in 2016. granted ya you lose a bit on CPU however you can't really beat having the ability to swap to a dedicated GPU and CPU down the road. especially if your using an apu already you most likely put a chunk into a good ram kit and decent cooler already.
Cool video
Beat the notification!
With the used build I would save a little bit more money and buy a second hand 8gb Rx 580 and your fps will smash that Rx 460 and the APU by a large margin. I believe in the US you can get 580s for under 100 USD.
Seems like US has a pretty good Used PC parts market.
For me locally, getting a good deal in the Used market is almost impossible, as almost everyone sell PC parts just slightly less than MSRP (like if a new 1650 is around 180 USD, then in Used market it would be 170 USD).
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APU's will never be worthless, they'll always have their place in the portable gaming market as well as mini-PC systems. They shouldn't however be a permanent desktop solution for obvious reasons.
If it does a stable 60 fps then that's is all that matters
I'll have to come back to this and compare it with my Steam Deck if I ever install these games lol
I got a used asrock mini 300 with a ryzen 5700G and 64gigs of Ram for 400$ I followed that up with the Beelink Ser6 Pro with a Ryzen 7 6800H and 32gigs for around the same price. I dont care if I am not gaming at 4k ultra, these both play my ENTIRE steam library. I should follow that up by saying "At reduced settings" But I have never played a game on 4k or Ultra and I have the latest all AMD strix advantage edition laptop, only because I got an amazing trade as payment for an afternoon of electrical work.
I believe AMD APUs are the future... look at the AMD powered handhelds and the amazing minisforum and beelink micro PCs... That is all the average computer user needs. More and more people I know just use their phones for everything.
Unless you are a hardcore gamer or editing video you can really get by without a GPU.. That being said.. I can put a 1650 in literally any 60-100$ off lease office PC and beat any APU to smithereens. Or if the power connections/supply are there put in a beefy card and play anyting at 60 FPS high settings 1080p.
APU and GPU systems both fill a role, moving forward I think the APU is the direction the world will go. Big desktops used to be all we really had... Now there are so many options from tablets, handhelds, laptops and so many great APU choices and the Ryzen Halo, dreadnaught, godslayer 4000, wacky APUs they have in the works..
5600G/5700G make sense for those who don't have motherboards that feature PCIE 4.0 support.
The lack of cache is concerning though and I'm truly not sure whether I should save money and go with the 5700G or get the full phat 5700X with an X370 motherboard. I'm using a Ryzen 7 1700X. Any advice?
To upgrade to a 5700x you would need to update the bios/UEFI For the motherboard to accept this CPU and as the 5700x is a newer CPU you maybe safer getting a 5800x as it's been out for years and it's more likely supported. Find out the model of motherboard, google the make/name. And look to download bios drivers, check to see if the latest bios supports the CPU before buying. Also these motherboards sometimes can't remember all CPUs available, meaning by updating the bios the 1700x is no longer supported. So you want to update just before switching CPUs. You can always search RUclips on how to update your bios.
Also the only reason to go 5700g over the 5700x/5800x is if you don't have a GPU. 5700g is not only slower because of cache and pcie3, it's basically a 3000 series CPU with graphics.
@@Jwalker76 My system currently has an RX 6650XT so the iGPU isn't important to me. The motherboard in question (MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon) appears to support the Ryzen 5000 series CPU's with the latest BIOS update.
I'm running games at 3440x1440p @75hz ultrawide resolution so I'm not sure if a new CPU would drastically affect my in game performance. This isn't an ideal combination but it's working well enough with settings dropped to medium. It makes me question if I should wait another generation for AM5 to become less expensive rather than throwing $150 into a dead AM4 platform.
@@HellFire107 unless you're playing cpu intensive games your cpu seems about enough.. a 5600 is enough aswell anything higher will be much since you're not having higher tiered dgpu like 6800/6900
@@HellFire107 Just looked up your motherboard and there's a list of supported CPUs and the 5600 and 5700x are on it. Look if you were playing 1080p 144hz you would see a big improvement. But your playing widescreen 1440p at 75hz, not as much but Yes there will be an improvement going to a 5600 or 5700x. If you are already getting 75 fps then there's not much point upgrading it. You can search RUclips how to test frame rate. 6650xt is really an entry level 1440p GPU but it's wide screen that affects the GPU speed too.
That was a lame comparison. You should have compared a new APU with a NEW GPU for the budget. What if you did it the other way around? Bought a new GPU for under 100 dollars and a used top of the line APU? Chances are the APU would be the better choice because you were not comparing apples to apples. What you guys did was a lazy self-fulfilling prophecy video.
Which is better, a New Toyota Prius or a USED Maserati at the same price.🙄
I've got the Ryzen 5 5600g with 16gb ram. It works good for me because i don't play any demanding games. It can easily run games like Minecraft, Grant Theft Auto, Roblox, Fortnite, Rocket Leauge, etc
Well, you compared a more expensive second Hand PC with a new less expensive PC 🤪🤪🤪
Why don't you get the 5600G Second Hand?
Or get a new GPU paired with the i3? That would be the 1030.
You really wanted to show that i3 is worth it:)))
At 9:20 The i3 is better than the R5 5600G in raw performance. LOL Have you even checked to verified that statement? It's hard to find a head to head but there is lots i310100/10100f vs R5 3600 head to head and the 3600 is better by more than 10%. Guess what the 5600g is better than the 3600 by at least another 10%. Don't believe me search youtube. If you guys make statements do your reseach.
Uh, what? a 5600g will destroy a 10100f in both single and multi core. Okay maybe not destroy in single core, but it's on par or a bit better. And the upgrade path? a 5800x 3d will obliterate even the best 11th gen processor. Come on guys..
Both are pretty terrible for the price... Terrible advices here. For gaming on a budget what you are looking for is an old i7 with a gpu like a gtx970, rx570 or rx6600. You can get cheaper builds with 3 times more performance then what you are showing here....
I"m sorry, but that 10th gen is not(!) the same same upgrade path. The AMD platform can take up to a R7 5800X3D.
No 10th gen CPU can match that gaming beast.
10th but interesting
what a surprise buying used is cheaper than buying new. All this showed is how much you can save buying used not a comparison of IGPU vs Discrete. To do a parts comparison you would have to buy both new or both used. If you only buy one used it is as if you spent more money on that system comparatively due to the discount you are getting.
the deal on Apu is 5700g because on upgrade path and multiple core performance
I thought yall had 400 to spend, if you got 400 then a 3050 or 1660 super would be better
The whole point is to spend 400 and see the difference in power, you barely spent 200 on the cpu and gpu
Doesn't seem like a fair comparison when one is brand new and the other is used (so it's much cheaper). There are used APUs in the market you know. compare new to new and used to used.
On stream Jackson looks different
I had my APU 5600G overclocked really hard and could play warzone 120FPS at 720p :)
Do not buy Vega APU in 2023, it is not strong enough
Wait for RDNA2 APU or go for a low end dGPU
The funny thing is that the oems seem to really like the 5600g even if they throw a gpu in it. I got a hp omen on a good sale and it has the 5600g paired with a 6600xt. The motherboard hp shipped it with doesn't even support integrated graphics.
Companies often give discount for purchases of massive amount of the exact same item. E.g, buying 200 of only 5600 or only 5600G might end up cheaper than buying 100 of each
Ryzen 5600g ain't got any upgrade paths it's a dead platform for at least 2 years am4
Raid shadow legends?
The scam game that will play itself while taking your money. Well done.
Sacrifice … with no RGB ! Bad day for the snake oil salesmen. Stick with solid metal side panels🙈
What GPU ?? a $400 card vs the APU ?? OR A shit lower GTX , YOU NEVER SAID
total power consumption would have been great to know...
(for people on solar systems)
Me who has the gpu on the top system (my old gpu just replaced with a 6700)
Can u help me with the best laptop for five m rolplay it’s a budget off 1000
Whois is the sseth rogan look a like; thats not a compliment ! Get a haircut!
No but future APUs will be if they don't price them out of this world.
I had my 4650g and was running mostly Halo OverWatch and other PC games. It's was to a point that I could enjoy it anymore so I bought a rx6400 low profile card and I'm very happy I made the decision to upgrade. But for lower end stuff my Apu was beast.
Why would you not get a rx6600... The lower end cards are money in the trash. You can always sell your midrange cards and get most of your money back (if not all, assuming you get a 2nd hand). But you can basically only trash your low end card after a couple years. They are supposed to be used in cheap cpu office pcs not in gaming setups.
@@teleman07 power constraints and space usually. Plus 6600 is $50-$100 more depending where you get it
@@FunkyTechy Very well. You seem in need of a whole new pc. If not an enthusiast to begin with, I can understand that small case with bad psu restricting you. Also good thing that (at least) 6400 is nothing like gt710 or 730 or rx460/560 back in their days.
@@teleman07 because I got a great deal for a rx 6400. I really don't care about the higher GPU out there. It does the job and I'm happy with it.
@@carlosc3899 Not a direct reply but this would be a great help if people were reading this and wondering what these guys and us are saying
v=1BLU-tnFOXk it is a Linus video, whom I do not really like but he explains it very good here. Also check the AMD gpu on table haha.
Wassup
Why don't you do something about the scam bots impersonating you
In last week i build a PC for about 250 dollars. I bought old Optiplex 2030MT, with I5 4590, 8gigs of RAM, 500GB Samsung SSD for about 100 dollars. Put a 400W Gamemax PSU 80+ bronze for about 22 dollars, PSU reduction for about 8 dollars, 16GB RAM for 35 dolars and RX 580 for 93 dollars. I sold old memory for about 18 dollars and for the price, the computer is actually a beast. It can run Cyberpunk (low setting, FullHD 60FPS) AC Valhalla, Far Cry 6 and more games on playable framerate on fullHD resolution.
Can some one give me a overview how power efficient are these setups?
I see things on youtube that the fastest igpu is the amd Radeon 680M, and that's only inside some amd's laptop cup. From what I've seen the 680M should be nearly equal to some budget gpu...but why the amd doesn't have the desktop cpu with such fast igpu?
damn, its unwatchable... what are you doing...
Hi can anyone assist me here?
I'm looking for a 400-500 build.
Should I get Ry.5 5600g or I3-12100f
I do also plan on getting a graphics card later no matter which CPU I choose
Getting a 1660 from AliExpress
Well ryzen 5 5600g is definitely better than the i3 12100f
Can I have a cheap laptop for my class. From PH here
Apu for me is worth it if you have enough cash to buy only cpu and use it to browse website, microsoft, light editing and light gaming.
rx 580 china mining 50 dol vs apus
Or just buy all your parts used and blow these two out the watter.
I spent a little less than $400 bucks for my all used gaming pc parts pc.
Specs
RTX 2080 SUPER
Ryzen 9 3900x
16gb Ram
1tb NVME
1200 watt fully modular powesupply
Mid tower case inwin 101c
The only downside was that I didn't get to choose my platform, and it also took me 1 month to get all these pc parts. Every part was from a different seller. But in the end, it was worth it.
The gameplay with my CPU is about as smooth as rubbing sandpaper on your teeth. 😂
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Bruh i built my sister the exact same pc (rx 460+ i3 10100) she didn’t have a big budget from b-day money, but im pretty glad considering it plays all of the games she wants
An APU is great to have when your dedicated GPU fails. Rare. But has happened to me twice. Most recently last month so I'm currently just running on my 5600g. It'll hold me over until Black Friday sales.
Given the choice i'd spend the extra for a CPU with integrated graphics. Be it Intel or AMD. Been burnt on both platforms not having integrated graphics on the CPU to troubleshoot when the GPU craps out. If you haven't a spare working GPU on hand for testing.
I think APUs are still useful as workstations but not for modern gaming.
Depends on what you mean by modern...
At least in my area even a 3600g is still selling and being used for gaming... It may not be the same games you play but it has its own market.
APUs have its own market, specially on developing countries...
@@paulssnfuture2752 you're right, it does depend. Modern games is vague, I should have been more specific. Triple A titles, Cyberpunk, FH5, games like that struggle with APUs. Some older and more simple games will have no issues. They are still capable but will also use system memory and run hotter than spending an extra 200 bucks on a used gpu. It's a good starter option for someone to save up and add a gpu later.
@@bricktronics alot of people that buy apus plan on buying good gpu later on anways
@@ChadBlox that's literally the last thing I said in my latest reply above you, lol. But I can agree with that.
@@bricktronics my bad I was just adding on to your point
5700g provides a better upgrade path and honestly the rx 580 will fall off in a year and you’ll be wanting for another gpu and be stuck with a weak cpu without upgrading 😅
short answer: of course! More than ever! And it's going to be even better with each new APU generation, likely with the 8000 Ryzen series achieving GTX 1080 performance.
Gotta be honest i ve had the 2200g paired with 1050 ti and it was fine when that computer died and it was taken down by the firestarter gigabyte Gp600 psu that i bought as an upgrade i know right, i replaced it with a 5600g and was fine running that to be fair i expected to be playing games at 900 med and was actually pleasantly surprised at how much performance i got. Now that there are great deals to be had i bought a 6600M when they were just over 130 when they first hit aliexpress and got a 6 core 12 thread cpu and decent graphics card that hits 1080 med in pretty much everything more in older games no real need to upgrade for me.
if you're building a system from scratch and are ok with this tier of performanc,e always go new with an APU. APU has more resale value to pay for a CPU upgrade down the line, and a GPU upgrade is a drop in
They're not worthless if they perform better than an FX8320.
The future of APU is there
honestly, depending on the screen resolution, apus have gotten sooo much better during the years :) every day I get impressed by the steam deck's zen 1 plus RDNA2 apu. is pretty solid! plus... I don't care for 144fps. so that's great. for retro to oh.... gold!
At least now they are not so overpriced as 1-2+ years ago and they were still bad like any igpu for serious gaming& settings
Things helpful because I'm about to build my dad an office pc that will never play a single game and trying to decide between a 5600g and a 12100. Intel it is.
I bought 3400g and it is a good apu though the mobo I got "b450-a pro max" was very disappointing for not having Heat sinks on the VRMs, because the PC was throttling and the only reason was that VRMs are getting very hot despite that the APU was handling the games flawlesslyand was cooler than 55 degrees. So if you are getting an APU just make sure that your VRMs on the mobo have heat sinks or otherwise the power that the apu draws will perhaps cause your PC to throttle.
Went for new B550+R5 5500 + used GTX 1060 6gb. That's gonna beat the crap out of any APU.
Why is the gpu you are using a mystery? you do not mention what it is during the video and there is no break down of the builds in the description.
i dont think apu age very well?
used Ryzen 5 3600 and a used rx 570 4gb would have been better bones at about the same price, and you could play any AAA game, and be very playable, but when you get the money you'd be able to buy some more RAM, and a RX 6800 XT with out having to worry about bottle necking it. I really don't understand the RX 460 as a choose in any way, i mean the the I3 10100f isn't a bad CPU, but as a new buy the Ryzen 5 4600G, and as a used buy Ryzen 5 3600 are about the same price, and vastly better than the I3 10100F, and it will never build a PC that averages above 60 FPS across the top 20 titles, as anything above a RX 6600 (non XT) will be bottle necked . The 400$ 5600G is a valid way to go as you could take that thing up to RX 6900 XT, though you will have to play allot of the top games with the lowest setting, and 1% low frames in the teens while you get the money together .
$50 10100F vaporizes everything in price/perf
nope it doesnt. You get a ryzen 4500 for same price.
@@joggabonkers6380 there isn't a single one on ebay for less than $95. maybe where you live. and no, zen 2 is not faster than comet lake in gaming.