Neo has super right lows and furiously aggressive mids, it sounds pissed off with high gain. Not smooth and creamy like the beautidul alnico, no, this one is pissed off.
Thank you Paul. I really like the combination of the Creamback-Neo with the V30, that you suggested for my first Zilla cab. It's a perfect fit for a Fender voiced amp, at the edge of breakup.
Yeah, it makes total sense in this ultra high gain application! The Neo Creamback vs. Neo V-Type video was ear-opening. I didn't realise it before, I kept wrongly comparing it to the M65, but that's a different colour. It's harder to use the M65 with this much gain and keep it tight enough.
Neo Cream is more aggressive than other Cream series speakers because of the nature of the Neo magnets. They do not lose magnetic strength with the increase of power. To make a powerful speaker you have to have strong magnetic field, voice coil that can take heat and cone that will be able to transfer energy to air. Basket has to be strong enough to support it all. Neo magnets are in family of the rare earth magnets and they are very strong. Every type of the magnet used in speakers has it's own character and rules. Sure construction and some tricks can mitigate part of the thing but can't change the nature of things. For example are they sensitive to heat or mechanical stress or how do they react on everchanging and strong electromagnetic field. We know that Alnico magnets have a lot of give and they will saturate because of the eddy currents. We know that extreme heat will demagnetise the Neo magnets. What is important to us as people who want tone is how do they work in our cabinets. Alnico magnet speakers have more give. They will compress. They do not need huge mass to achieve strong magnetic field. Ceramic magnet speakers will also compress depending on size of their magnets effect will be higher or lower. To achieve strong motor they need big mass. Neo magnet speakers have smallest amount of give. They will not compress as much as any other speaker type. That is a reason why small speaker like Neo250 Copperback can do similar job as EVM 12L when equipped with very similar cone and voice coil. So yeah magnet type will do that. That is why the Neo Cream sounds and behaves different then other Cream series speakers. This gives them bright character and aggressivity. But magnet is not the only thing. There are speakers with a small magneet and big voice coil. V Type for example has 70 Watt power handling but small magnet. This will cause it to saturate more and give more. This will make it smoother at the higher level. Some speakers will have lighter cone and with power cone it self will saturate. To light and it will cause cone cry. It's very complex matter. Look at the original Greenback M. Low power handling voice coil, ceramic magnet that has give as well. Cone with right weight that will saturate as well. Perfect storm scenario for early rock sounds. I just wonder was it a fluke or was it all in designers head :) There are so many ways to manipulate the tone of the speaker and designers are finding more and more about it and we are lucky that they are being able to make new great speakers.
I put these two speakers in my Kustom Tuck N Roll vertical 2x12 with two front 3” ports. V30 on top Cream on bottom. The thing sounds killer and chugs hard.
Neo Creamback is probably one of the biggest discoveries I made a couple of years back. It has the exact peak in the upper mids I was looking for in a V30 replacement. Its light weight also made my life easier for gigs. You can also hear how it made its way into an independent mix here: ruclips.net/video/8J7hM4qRTL4/видео.html Go to 1:54, left guitar plays on its own. On the right side we have Greenbacks and a single coil guitar.
Would be great to do a comparison of: V30+G12M vs G12M+G12Neo vs V30+G12Neo vs V30+G12H. There are lots of speaker comparison videos but I don't think I have seen a comparison of speaker blends even though its very popular to do that in a 212 or 412. Even a lot of zilla cabs often mix and match. Listening to the individual speakers just doesnt tell you how they will sound blended. I would do it in two steps, like direct comparison. two SM57s, same gain. and then normalised to match volumes. cos the first will tell you how it will sound in the room with two speakers that dont necessarily have the same sensitivity. and the second will show how they match when recorded and blended. Maybe even a room mic would be good. and mixed in a 2x12 and 4x12. Yeah I know its a lot of work but it would be an amazing reference comparison!
I like it a lot. Currently I have two cabs, one where I'm pairing v30 and hesu demon and on the other one h cream with 25 greenbacks. They soundassive but I will definetely try one of these neocream and find the best combination
Could you edit a video comparing the Greenback with the Neo-Cream? Just an A/B comparison with these samples, to really highlight the differences between those two. Edit: I opened both videos in different tabs, tried doing the A/B myself, and I'm shocked at how similar they are. It's like the exact same overall character/EQ curve, except the Neo-Cream is very in-your-face, immediate, tight, and lively, while the Green is softer, squishier, spongier. It's almost like the Neo is the Green post-production, with a studio EQ and compression added to it, much like Nolly was talking about. Now I kinda wanna hear the Neo A/B-ed with the Cream 75H 😅
I like these Creamback Neos. I was checking out some Orange PPC212 cabs for my Orange Rocker 30. And I thought the vertical closed back with Neos was the best for higher-gain. But I preferred the V30 closed back slightly for cleans, and maybe for crunch. (the open back maybe won on cleans, but not good otherwise). But the savings in weight makes it very compelling. over 30 kilos with V30s, under 20 kilos with the Creamback Neos. Would like a small lightweight Zilla cab for my Victory V40, maybe thinking V30s though, for cleans with that head.
What do you think it is? I'm thinking the flux density of neodymium being far higher than that of ceramics which is in turn higher than that of alnico. Which would lead to the logical conclusion that, alnico being more compressed and fat generally than ceramic speakers, neo speakers would presumably be even less compressed and even more tight. So it stands to reason from there, that if your signal is already limiting and you need all the clarity and control, neo would be best. Just like how I might opt for a neo creamback over a vintage JBL or EV for distortion, I would opt for the vintage over a neo for cleans. I have a couple M creambacks, they're just so good I haven't really looked at the other creambacks in depth lol
I think it's for whatever works best for what you are doing really. It's a shame people don't get to sit down and hear different speakers with their gear. I've been tempted to yoink the magnet off a v30 and plonk a neo magnet on there to see what would happen.
It's pretty cool, we did a video recently on the two. That video didn;t show that much difference although different tracks will show a slightly larger difference.
I wouldn't call a V30 fizzy. I call it "cakey". They have kind of a soft playing texture, they're neither dark nor bright--but the frequency where the high-mids are most prevalent are a little darker and seem to really sit in a great place to grab single-note definition. The downside is that makes it more of a LEAD playing speaker, to my ears. It's so mid-centric. I'll talk a lot of crap about V30s, but really, they're one of the easiest speakers to get a good recording out of, so it's no wonder they've dominated the speaker landscape for 30 years. Still, I couldn't use them exclusively, there has to be something with a little more cut and firmness on the bottom for a metal rhythm. The bottom end has to be RIPPING-firm. Obviously, that's just preference talking...PLENTY of musicians are getting great tones with nothing but V30s in their cabs. It's just I, personally, wouldn't favor it. It's the SM57 of speakers...I like them, but only when anchored by something else. And that EV12L IMMEDIATELY sounded like Zakk Wylde. Trippyyyyyyyy.
neo is fizzy.just watch other comparisons between a reg cream and the neo. I had the reg cream and it was dark and creamy. Loved it. Not the weight tho
Would you guys be able to do these comparisons with original EV from the 80s? I these sound more natural and have less “fizz” even compared to the v30s
I'm not sure about that one, the low end need to be tight but it still needs to sit forward in the mix, a lot of bass speaker don't have the presence... I love the BN12-300S for baritone but it doesn't tend to sit forward in the mix.
@@ZillaCabs A lot don't, I agree. However, most metal guitarists don't care/want/need that extra presence. A bass speaker cuts way down on the fizz while still producing good midrange and "acceptable" highs. I use the Weber Bass 15 and still get just as much mids/highs as I hear in modern metal mixes. Prog metal would miss the presence for sure, but let's be honest, prog metal is a small subset of metal as a whole. It also could be a microphone issue, an SM57 is so widely used, but doesn't reproduce good upper mids and highs. You could just make a split 4x12 with bass speakers in the bottom and these creambacks or w/e else in the top. Wire in a basic crossover and you'll get all the chug and weight plus as much crispy clarity as you want. Call it the "Chug n' Chime" cab haha.
Which speaker would you pick? Let us know below!
A, more defined
B, more texture
A
Neo has super right lows and furiously aggressive mids, it sounds pissed off with high gain. Not smooth and creamy like the beautidul alnico, no, this one is pissed off.
Thank you Paul. I really like the combination of the Creamback-Neo with the V30, that you suggested for my first Zilla cab. It's a perfect fit for a Fender voiced amp, at the edge of breakup.
I have a neo creamback and absolutely adore it. Particularly on leads!
Yeah, it makes total sense in this ultra high gain application! The Neo Creamback vs. Neo V-Type video was ear-opening.
I didn't realise it before, I kept wrongly comparing it to the M65, but that's a different colour. It's harder to use the M65 with this much gain and keep it tight enough.
Another great video! I believe my first Zilla shipped with a V30 and a Neo Creamback
Thanks mate.
@@ZillaCabs What amp was used?
Neo Cream is more aggressive than other Cream series speakers because of the nature of the Neo magnets. They do not lose magnetic strength with the increase of power.
To make a powerful speaker you have to have strong magnetic field, voice coil that can take heat and cone that will be able to transfer energy to air. Basket has to be strong enough to support it all. Neo magnets are in family of the rare earth magnets and they are very strong.
Every type of the magnet used in speakers has it's own character and rules. Sure construction and some tricks can mitigate part of the thing but can't change the nature of things. For example are they sensitive to heat or mechanical stress or how do they react on everchanging and strong electromagnetic field.
We know that Alnico magnets have a lot of give and they will saturate because of the eddy currents. We know that extreme heat will demagnetise the Neo magnets.
What is important to us as people who want tone is how do they work in our cabinets.
Alnico magnet speakers have more give. They will compress. They do not need huge mass to achieve strong magnetic field.
Ceramic magnet speakers will also compress depending on size of their magnets effect will be higher or lower. To achieve strong motor they need big mass.
Neo magnet speakers have smallest amount of give. They will not compress as much as any other speaker type.
That is a reason why small speaker like Neo250 Copperback can do similar job as EVM 12L when equipped with very similar cone and voice coil.
So yeah magnet type will do that. That is why the Neo Cream sounds and behaves different then other Cream series speakers. This gives them bright character and aggressivity.
But magnet is not the only thing. There are speakers with a small magneet and big voice coil. V Type for example has 70 Watt power handling but small magnet. This will cause it to saturate more and give more. This will make it smoother at the higher level.
Some speakers will have lighter cone and with power cone it self will saturate. To light and it will cause cone cry. It's very complex matter.
Look at the original Greenback M. Low power handling voice coil, ceramic magnet that has give as well. Cone with right weight that will saturate as well. Perfect storm scenario for early rock sounds. I just wonder was it a fluke or was it all in designers head :)
There are so many ways to manipulate the tone of the speaker and designers are finding more and more about it and we are lucky that they are being able to make new great speakers.
I put these two speakers in my Kustom Tuck N Roll vertical 2x12 with two front 3” ports. V30 on top Cream on bottom. The thing sounds killer and chugs hard.
Neo Creamback is probably one of the biggest discoveries I made a couple of years back. It has the exact peak in the upper mids I was looking for in a V30 replacement. Its light weight also made my life easier for gigs.
You can also hear how it made its way into an independent mix here: ruclips.net/video/8J7hM4qRTL4/видео.html
Go to 1:54, left guitar plays on its own. On the right side we have Greenbacks and a single coil guitar.
Nice video guys. What 40W or less speakers (hopefully Celestion) do you think can deliver a tone similar to a v30? Have a great week, greetings!
Would be great to do a comparison of:
V30+G12M vs G12M+G12Neo vs V30+G12Neo vs V30+G12H.
There are lots of speaker comparison videos but I don't think I have seen a comparison of speaker blends even though its very popular to do that in a 212 or 412.
Even a lot of zilla cabs often mix and match. Listening to the individual speakers just doesnt tell you how they will sound blended.
I would do it in two steps, like direct comparison. two SM57s, same gain. and then normalised to match volumes. cos the first will tell you how it will sound in the room with two speakers that dont necessarily have the same sensitivity. and the second will show how they match when recorded and blended. Maybe even a room mic would be good. and mixed in a 2x12 and 4x12. Yeah I know its a lot of work but it would be an amazing reference comparison!
Silly question what bout HH speakers??
A is NeoCream and B is Vintage 30
I think it is the other way around. But i don´t know for sure
@@chrisz6918 yep, think so too. The V30 has that upper thing going on that I only hear in a V30. If I'm wrong I need my ears checked.... 😁
@@chrisz6918I think B is the Neo too
@@ronnierazor4302The Neo sounds a bit scooped, in lack of a better word, the V30 has more higher mids, that's why I am guessing B is the Neo
Agreed!
Lots of comments on the neo not being good, but I wouldn’t be without my studio pro (V30+NeoCB) 💪🏼🔥
Yeah I don't know where that comes from, I really like neo creamback.
I like it a lot. Currently I have two cabs, one where I'm pairing v30 and hesu demon and on the other one h cream with 25 greenbacks. They soundassive but I will definetely try one of these neocream and find the best combination
I'd likevto hear that vs Weber Grey / silver wolfs and mojotone bv series
Could you edit a video comparing the Greenback with the Neo-Cream? Just an A/B comparison with these samples, to really highlight the differences between those two.
Edit: I opened both videos in different tabs, tried doing the A/B myself, and I'm shocked at how similar they are. It's like the exact same overall character/EQ curve, except the Neo-Cream is very in-your-face, immediate, tight, and lively, while the Green is softer, squishier, spongier. It's almost like the Neo is the Green post-production, with a studio EQ and compression added to it, much like Nolly was talking about. Now I kinda wanna hear the Neo A/B-ed with the Cream 75H 😅
I like these Creamback Neos. I was checking out some Orange PPC212 cabs for my Orange Rocker 30. And I thought the vertical closed back with Neos was the best for
higher-gain. But I preferred the V30 closed back slightly for cleans, and maybe for crunch. (the open back maybe won on cleans, but not good otherwise). But the savings in weight makes it very compelling. over 30 kilos with V30s, under 20 kilos with the Creamback Neos. Would like a small lightweight Zilla cab for my Victory V40, maybe thinking V30s though, for cleans with that head.
What do you think it is? I'm thinking the flux density of neodymium being far higher than that of ceramics which is in turn higher than that of alnico. Which would lead to the logical conclusion that, alnico being more compressed and fat generally than ceramic speakers, neo speakers would presumably be even less compressed and even more tight. So it stands to reason from there, that if your signal is already limiting and you need all the clarity and control, neo would be best. Just like how I might opt for a neo creamback over a vintage JBL or EV for distortion, I would opt for the vintage over a neo for cleans. I have a couple M creambacks, they're just so good I haven't really looked at the other creambacks in depth lol
I think it's for whatever works best for what you are doing really. It's a shame people don't get to sit down and hear different speakers with their gear. I've been tempted to yoink the magnet off a v30 and plonk a neo magnet on there to see what would happen.
@@ZillaCabs More strident and clear with a higher roll off, I’m guessing. Do it!
A NeoCreamback
B V30
Curious how it would do in a JCM800 50 watt combo....
Imo, Creamback is excellent for those who prefere clarity over huge low end (and i whom those who choose this one)
Gonna need another Fatboy after watcing this.
I thought A was the V-30 and the Neo Cream was B.
whats the neo v-type like tho
It's pretty cool, we did a video recently on the two. That video didn;t show that much difference although different tracks will show a slightly larger difference.
I wouldn't call a V30 fizzy. I call it "cakey". They have kind of a soft playing texture, they're neither dark nor bright--but the frequency where the high-mids are most prevalent are a little darker and seem to really sit in a great place to grab single-note definition. The downside is that makes it more of a LEAD playing speaker, to my ears. It's so mid-centric. I'll talk a lot of crap about V30s, but really, they're one of the easiest speakers to get a good recording out of, so it's no wonder they've dominated the speaker landscape for 30 years. Still, I couldn't use them exclusively, there has to be something with a little more cut and firmness on the bottom for a metal rhythm. The bottom end has to be RIPPING-firm. Obviously, that's just preference talking...PLENTY of musicians are getting great tones with nothing but V30s in their cabs. It's just I, personally, wouldn't favor it. It's the SM57 of speakers...I like them, but only when anchored by something else.
And that EV12L IMMEDIATELY sounded like Zakk Wylde. Trippyyyyyyyy.
I prefer B🤘🤘
Glad you like it.
B is the V30
neo is fizzy.just watch other comparisons between a reg cream and the neo. I had the reg cream and it was dark and creamy. Loved it. Not the weight tho
I preferred A
A is v30
B is the v30….
Would you guys be able to do these comparisons with original EV from the 80s? I these sound more natural and have less “fizz” even compared to the v30s
The EV we used was a series 2 which I believe is from the 80s. We've got quite a few EVM12Ls and they are sound different.
a v30
EVM sounded horrid. Definitely the Neo but I'd still pick V30's any day... plus V30's are significantly cheaper and way more widely available.
best for chug? just get a bass speaker.
I'm not sure about that one, the low end need to be tight but it still needs to sit forward in the mix, a lot of bass speaker don't have the presence... I love the BN12-300S for baritone but it doesn't tend to sit forward in the mix.
@@ZillaCabs A lot don't, I agree. However, most metal guitarists don't care/want/need that extra presence. A bass speaker cuts way down on the fizz while still producing good midrange and "acceptable" highs. I use the Weber Bass 15 and still get just as much mids/highs as I hear in modern metal mixes. Prog metal would miss the presence for sure, but let's be honest, prog metal is a small subset of metal as a whole.
It also could be a microphone issue, an SM57 is so widely used, but doesn't reproduce good upper mids and highs.
You could just make a split 4x12 with bass speakers in the bottom and these creambacks or w/e else in the top. Wire in a basic crossover and you'll get all the chug and weight plus as much crispy clarity as you want. Call it the "Chug n' Chime" cab haha.
@@ZillaCabsas long as its a papercone its fine also it makes a huge difference if theres a port and if there is what the port is tuned too
@@D1570R73Dwhat the hell are you talking about?
@@Eliphas_Elric which part? I thought I was pretty clear.
A V30, B Neo Cream