Check out our friend John Browne's video with Nolly: ruclips.net/video/m6rxz_7ae4s/видео.html Design your next cab at www.zillacabs.com What are your thoughts on the modern Vintage 30? Let know below! AB answer in... 5 4 3 2 1 . . . . . 'A' is the New V30 (Chinese) and 'B' is Nolly's reference Mesa V30
Wow that’s totally shocking. I thought exactly that the opposite is true because the B has that 4k ish annoying mid spike that I’ve associated with the Chinese V30.
| have had same idea as PolyGroove. In new Chinese V30 that annoying top end (middle top) is gone. It sounds rounder and could work even for some other types of music.
On my first listen I preferred A. I watched the rest of the video. I made a pause, gave it a new listen, and my ear preferred B. What's going on here? 😂 That's the power of other sounds influencing our brain on what we subjectively hear.
@riangarianga psyco accoustic effect. You get saturated. But why should it matter? You can like whatever sounds better to you. And you can change your mind how many times and whenever you want. There is no good answer for everyone. In your case, you are the client. You need to be satisfied, period.
I have also found that the very newest V30s no longer have that real nasty 6k fizz happening. I try to be in the mindset of 'make what you have work' when it comes to cabs but getting into the weeds is pretty fun too. Great video guys!
Thanks mate. I think a cab and speakers are something that ideally will do exactly what you want it to do, but then at the same time sometimes we need to roll our sleeves up and get busy on the eq... truth is we can have a lot of success with both. Always good hearing from you bro... I'd love to do something together.
Most DAWs will do an adaptive EQ with the compressor. I've used it on a narrow band on 5-7k with no make-up gain and that seems to sort the KESHHHHIIEESSHH out of it 😂 Also the v30s made since 2017 have had a new dustcap installed and sealed in differently compared to before (according to many YT videos and blogs I've seen). This will affect how the speaker moves physically.
I agree. But they probabbly recorded it with mic position adjusted for V30s sweetspot. Other speakers didnt get the same treatment so its not fair to say others cant sound even better with ideal mic position and even amp settings.
@@GolecLuka that's true, mic position was kept the same, we did talk about when we moved it and the results we got from that. There is no perfect way to do this, just minimise the variables but no 100% fair test. That said, there were plenty of speakers I preferred more than the V30.
Love my 99 mesa cab with v30's. Sounds good with everything. That said, just work with the EQ when you get shrill cabs. A good series would be a reference v30 with a shrill v30 plus EQ
I personally prefer the older V30 example here. But I wonder would the older V30 have sounded the same out of the box as the newer one? Is it just age and use that creates the high-end roll off. I suspect this could be filtered out from the newer one if needed.
That's right, it's never really going to be a fair test. I think what we found here is that they were close enough to be able to easily eq either way like you say. Thanks for watching.
On its own, I find the upper-mids spike of the V30 to be a bit nasal, but in the context of a mix like this I can understand why it works so well. It pokes through in just the right way. Thanks for sharing - I can't wait to hear the rest of the vids in this series!
Great video guys. I can imagine that older and new V30 in a 2x12 would sound awesome together. I have a spare 1x12 with a newer V30 which I definitely need to break in as it has that higher frequency spike
Whenever someone goes "oh the V30 has too much mids" I'm like... what speaker has less, that doesnt sound fizzy as hell? There's so many that sound super nasal. The V30 compared to a lot is actually quite open sounding imo.
Guitar is a midrange instrument in the mix. The things that make people dislike the V30 are exactly why it's so good at what it does. That midrange is what makes it sit in a dense metal mix so well. It can sound awful by itself to be fair. But most isolated guitar tracks from famous metal albums sound horrible. There's a reason the V30 is the most important speaker in metal. I personally love that midrange "chonk" sound it has, it's like a cocked wah but more aggressive and throaty. Nothing else sounds like that.
Great video as usual, guys! I would just dig in more on the other sounds of the V30 (mid gain, low gain and even clean sounds). I always wander why on tests like this (old vs. new V30) almost everybody just stays around the high gain tones, with such a versatile speaker like this.
Thanks mate. This one was specifically for heavy stuff as we don;t do much heavy stuff and that's what Nolly is known for. We can do some follow up videos for sure, I think they would be very relevant. Thanks for the input..... as for high gain, it's just easier to hear the differences a lot of time especially when close micing. We've done clean and edge of break up videos and we generally get slammed for them ;)
Great video Paul, really great stuff. I've got a quad of 2003 V30's with the 'grail' tone, also a pair of 1988 Original Gen. EVM12L's (different to the one in this test, which is a Series II) and although I'm happy I do, and I love the tone, there's way too much cork sniffing going on with some people (edit, not referring to this discussion/video). There is nothing wrong with any - including the new - V30's. I get why Nolly, as a producer, would want that cab/speaker in his mixes, but with just a little bit of EQ any V30 can sound like that 🙂 FWIW I prefer - for me and my playing - the EVM's, and they sound very different to the Series II in this video. I can't wait for my Zilla Purple Croc SFB to arrive and give my EV's a new home The V30's can stay in the Mesa cab.
Hi mate. I think with Nolly he's not really bothered what the speaker is but he's just found a certain speaker that works for his stuff and that the new V30 does just as well. There is a split between someone like Nolly who could eq just about any of the speakers (maybe with a few exceptions) to sound as he wants, but he's in the rare situation. A lot of this was to smooth over some of the opinions out there about why this V30 is the best and why that V30 is the worst... like you say a lot of cork sniffing. When it comes to EVs, I really like them, more for cleaner stuff but I;ve got at least half a dozen EVs and they all sound different, I'm not sure if that's due to different designs/batches, inconsistency within batches or how they have been kept over the years.... I really like them though. Thanks for watching mate.
@@ZillaCabs Strangely my two EV's sound almost identical - I ran a bunch of IR's and the curves are incredibly similar. That being said, they were made in the same week/year so perhaps not THAT surprising🙂 Totally with you on this one - Its a great idea to espouse and show the differences and lack thereof of the different V30's like you have - they're all fantastic. I've got the Zilla GGD IR pack thing and its great to see a continuation of the collaboration.
@@guvnafied I've got two from cabs with almost identical serial numbers, I;ve had big problems getting two 12Ls that sound the same. That said they've all been really cool and I'm super unlucky getting used speakers.
The other thing to consider is the "old" V30's are all well past being broken in. A fresh out of the box speaker is gonna respond a lot different compared to one with years of hard use.
The best I’ve played are the 93 Mesa cab with V30’s and the old non textured tolex (got for $400, what a steal) and there is a 1998 2 1/2 w/ V 30’a that Mesa used at NAMM and gave to a Guitar Center employee because of some sales competition or something. That 2 1/2 has magic in it, and he got that thing for free. I also have a 2005 Mesa with diamond plate armor on the sides and I want to love but it’s missing “something.” It’s not bad at all, but it’s just kinda “less than” in a way. Although the 2005 does have a higher volume to it which is odd to me. I just resigned myself to the notion that guitar players will never be happy so let’s all check out the new shiny things and be happy someone is trying to make them for us.
B to me has more presence and top end. A a little muffled, but still warm and may sound better with a brighter amp. i preferred A, as again, easier to remove top end if needed than to try add it. now, hopefully i preferred the new one, as that's likely what i run in my cab. I have a 4x12, removed two top speakers and loaded V30's 5-6 years ago. mids rule.
Avatar speakers have perfected the V30 with their AV60 speaker. I have tried a number of V30 variants, and nothing comes close. Do yourself a favor and check one out!
The thing that sounds most like a V30 isn't a V30? Is it that the AV60 is a V30 but better or just that you prefer it tonally as a speaker, I mean like how I generally prefer a greenback. I've never really understood why companies make their version of another companies speaker, from experience when the marketing is, we took this and changed what we didn't like about it, it generally isn't as good, but I'll wait for one to pass by and see how it sounds. We had a couple of their speakers in a few years ago but they were just rebadged Fanes, but I'd be interested to hear them AV60 for sure as it comes so highly recommended.
@@ZillaCabs The Hellatone 60(i think the av60 is a fane) is just a broken in vin30 Relabelled. They use to sell them for less than regular Vin30s so you get a discount over MAP. So out of the box they have lost most of the fizz that people don't like. They sound good, like most broken in vin30s do. Though I have to say I had an Avatar 25 watt ceramic speaker that as advertised did sound halfway between a green and the 12h30 anniversary. Very nice speaker. Gone up in price since I bought one, but they do have a very nice tone.
Sure, the V30 was the reference speaker, that was the point. It's never really a fair test as you'd introduce bias on how you dial in an amps sound, but there are plenty of speakers that in this same setting really sing. It's all a compromise, and most people wouldn't even pick those amp settings, we'd eq accordingly.
@@ZillaCabs That’s just not how most people set their sound. You dial in your tone to what you have rather than selecting certain settings and leaving those set. I just see so many videos comparing one amp to another or one pickup to another but the ones I find most helpful to real world situations is dialing each tone independently to each other and seeing what each of them do best. I love EV 12L’s and if you dialed in the amp based on that and then swapped speakers the v30 would sound not so great. But I agree, there are compromises to all of it. EV’s also excel with very high wattage amps and high spl’s and can handle low tunings exceptionally well with no cone cry. I guess my suggestion would have been just focusing on the new vs old v30’s since that was the title. Maybe throwing in the veteran 30 but the EV and DV77 have nothing to do with v30’s.
@@louderthangod No you are comparing against the Vin30s natural tone. This shows where they are at naturally. Sure you can adjust in to make them closer, but then you are changing how the amp interacts with the speaker thus defeating the experiment. You could set the amp at noon for everything, But again that also would make them all sound bad. I have one amp that simple has to be at 2 o clock on the contour or it is not appealing to my ears regardless of speaker. Do you change the amp setup when switching from greenback to vin30s, no because then you are not referencing anything. Thats the point of using a looping pedal. Otherwise just have someone play it "close". You are trying to keep variables down, not introduce a whole lot more. If I am watching this at home and do like the tone of any speaker, but can't get even near to it because they had the tone controls all over the place to make it sound like something it may not be, what is the point. Oh look bass-0, mid-9, treble-1....its mid heavy but that doesn't tell me how it sounds in a regular TMB setup. My P12R alnico jensen now sounds "closer" to an emi wizard, when they are nothing alike.
@@thorinbane The experiment is are new v30's similar to older ones. And they are. Nobody should questions if 12L's and DV77's are different speakers, of course they are and have no real business being compared to v30's unless you're going to dial your amp in for those speakers separately and yes, I do this all the time. Why would I leave the settings the same? That will only tell me I like the v30 more but then if I flip it to dialing in a Greenback or whatever and then switch to the v30 then of course I would conclude the Greenback is better. Inherently it's not scientific in any functional way to a real musician because there are too many variables. Like I said I own a bunch of 12L's and this tells me nothing about what I would expect if I switched my same cab to v30's. The amp, guitar, pickups, pickup height, string gauge, picking style, even the pick, the bias of the amp let alone the settings of the amp (especially preamp gain level and how much headroom you dial in from the power amp) all play significant roles here. They just should have left it at modern vs 20-30 year old v30's. Your point about not changing the settings of an amp when swapping speakers just isn't what I do and I'm curious why it is what you do? Do you really care about how one speaker is different from the other? That might see important at first but really, I just care about when dialed in for a gig or a recording, which one gets me the tone I want and that means dialing them in separately and comparing overall tone of both at their best for me and then which overall configuration I like best, not just with the speaker but with everything else. The delta between the speakers doesn't matter if you don't like the end product.I'm well aware of how messy that is but it's honestly the only way if your tone is something you deeply care about which it isn't for everyone. Fine for them, not for me. I agree about the eq at noon thing. I don't see the point of that when people do demo's. That's not ever how my eq looks, maybe it is for some amps for some players but I move the knobs without looking to find the sound plus turning up the treble on some amps (especially vintage ones like a Plexi, is less about the treble frequencies and more like a gain knob.
I've gone thru a lot of cabs and the only ones that didn't get the V30s swapped were one with V30s from 2016 and one with the latest models with semi-see-thru dust caps.
I guess it depends on personal preference, the cab they are in and if the cabs aren't new then how they have been treated through their lives. Thanks for watching.
@@ZillaCabs additionally I have one 412 with V30 and veteran30 mix. Not my favorite but it's in heavy use so no time to experiment. I prefer less harsh v30s.
I had a modern built Chinese built pair of V30's in a Mesa F100 combo ...rehret not pulling them whe i let the amp go... best sounding V30's i have owned
I liked all of those tbh. The Eminence is one of the ones Fricker has said he liked isnt it? I still have a Valvestate combo from the early 90s with the Black Gold speaker in it. Wish they made those still! It was cheap but I always got great recordings from them
The Black Gold speaker is a predecessor to the later G12T "Hot 100". Shame my VS100 had an 8 ohm Black Gold Celestion, if it was 16 ohm I'd have kept it and mixed it a 2x12 with a V30 That speaker was the best component of the Valveste MK2 I had 😂🤣
@@Marco_Aben I put a little less stock in the variation between batches as often it's hard to know what use and conditions the speaker has been kept in.
Okay. It still think it would be interesting to check. The Z and A coded cones are from 2021/2022, so fairly new. All the A and Z ones TheOtherJohnBrown tested were smoother. Also the preceeding Y cones and succeeding B cones had the 6khz spike.
@@Marco_Aben were they all from the same source, brand new out of the box and stored in the same place? And multiple versions of each tested? Same mic, same mic position and on different days ABBA etc?
Ive tried WGS back when they were 50 cheaper than celestion...OK substitute, but when they are close in price, might as well get the real deal. Jensen does it better with the jet series.
I think the veteran 30 sounds the best. I have the dv77 and it's rubbery sounding. very hollow like a bouncing ball but the warehouse veteran sounds great just cleaned up version of a vintage 30, more polished
I like the Veteran 30, for me maybe more for rock and heavy rock but I like it too.... In this setting the V30 did work really well but the situation really did test other speakers to keep up rather than playing to the speakers specific strengths, so any speaker that sounds good in this situation will generally sound better when working with that speaker alone... did that make sense haha? Thanks for watching.
Not to be a fanboi (I have neither V30 or DV-77 in my cab), but wouldn't it be more fair comparison if you all guys EQ'd the amp specifically for DV-77? Since there's no objectively good or neutral sound just after a preamp and a poweramp, we all shape up sound based on what we hear coming from speakers. I wonder how would V30 sound if you set DV-77 EQ to your liking first, because what you presented was the worst DV-77 sound ever, IMHO.
Definitive Chinese V30 got better for my ears. Once I have as reference in house sound as he said fizzy and give you headache over time. Especially with bright amplifiers. I build point to point amplifiers and I have to make sure my amplifiers can be used with V30 as well . Despite the fact that V30's are not at the level of my amplifiers. I recommend good speakers for the music that they play and I explain that bad speakers will ruin the tone but often people do already have cabinets. There are so many V30 loaded cabinets. So what happens is people say yes they understand. Than come home and plug into V30 cabinet. Then they hear best tone they have ever had and say wow this is enough and stay with V30 cabinets never hearing what amplifier actually can do with great cabinet with great speakers. Again I have to say what you mention over and over again, importance of the speakers and cabinets is enormous. People somehow do not get it. I have plugged in all kind of cabinets. Once I have plugged in in 2x12 of the rehearsal place. I though my amplifier was broken. I was asking myself have I broken the tube or something in the transport? It sounded awful. Came back home and wanted to open the amplifier but I thought wait let me try it once more with my gear. Day and night. It sounded even good with V30 cabinet. I have inspected the amplifier, used other set of tubes and I have tried to pull on stuff to see was something loose. Everything was as it should be. Never ever and issue again. I do not get money or anything from Zilla to say anything nice about them nor I have any other connection with them, but I have heard and tested their cabinets. They look and sound great. They are extremely well built with great attention to detail. At least once I have seen have been top class. Second to none. Their cabinets will improve the tone of every amplifier and will last long time. Plus their prices for drivers from Celestion was better than me ordering them here locally. But then Brexit came and it ruined it for me :( Simple thing if you have what someone might said to you a bad cabinet, just try to rent good cabinet somewhere and go to A/B them. Good cabinet with good speakers will sound better but can be also way louder as well. Drivers have so called sensitivity. In some cases sensitivity is 3 dB higher on some speakers (mostly Alnico and Heavy magnet speakers have 100 dB/W/m sensitivity while others go from 96 to 98dB) and then speaker with higher sensitivity will sound like it was powered with two times more power or 1x12 will sound as loud as 2x12. Good cabinet wit ha good driver is the single biggest change in tone one can make. If you have good cabinet but you are not satisfied with your tone try changing speaker. It will give you way more change than changing tubes or almost anything else in your chain. And change does not cost that much. Already 150 bucks speaker can change your tone totally. Friend changed V30 with the Hempback in the early Badcat combo and his world changed. For low gain and clean sounds it is million times better tone now. Before that he changed everything and was never satisfied. He could not believe the change it made. Main thing is that the most important thing is that you love your tone. Forget what others think. Find and use what makes you inspired.
I bet its a pain building amps if you're not that into V30s as like you say, most people will use them with an existing cab.. adding in the fact that speakers are so subjective too and dynamic.... I bet we'd both dial in different tones in the same amp and we'd both be right, and that's what makes music so fun, and some youtube comments so annoying haha the inability to understand how everyone is different. Send me an email, it'd be really good to chat further rather than just youtube comments. Paul
I don't mind the DV77 at all, it just didn't come out all that great in this situation, but Nolly was going for a very specific sound. I actually really like the DV77 for rock and heavy rock, and I've heard some really cool heavy tracks with it. When testing speakers we always have to consider that we wouldn't actually play like that, we'd eq or change things around until we got the sound we wanted, or close to it. Thanks for watching.
@@ZillaCabsI liked the DV77 a lot. It might get lost in the mix as it sounded here, but the overall impression I got was good. And I love V30s. I've got a mesa 4*12 from about 2005 and a few newer ones too. Hard to beat for an all round performer for the metal player. Great video by the way, really juicy chugs. ❤
something is way off on your dv77 needs thrown away mine doesn't have that terrible sound it also has more low mid than v30 but I have one hand picked and signed by Thompson when they got released once in lifetime buy opertunity
Its not fair to mic other speakers on the sweetspot where v30s sounded the best. Maybe mic them closer to the cone and adjust the amp so that it compliments other speakers, than compare them. This way its not fair.
Sure it's not fair, there are a massive amount of compromises that you have to make in a speaker comparison. This method is generally fairer than introducing human bias/error of tweaking eq/amp settings as through the weekend you end up at a very different place, and is in itself subjective. That said, the Veteran 30 is supposed to be a better V30 so it should behave in a very similar way when mic'd, it does have very similar build etc. The final recordings with other speakers were very representative of how they sound mic'd. All these tests include a lot of compromise.
Mate, they do that on all EV speaker comparisons to Celestions. Maybe one or two comparisons on RUclips are accurate. Also, Zilla, that's a horrible argument. If you drugged Real Madrid before a match with GHB and made them play Dundee United (who were allowed to take EPO before the match), then I'd wager that Dundee United would most likely win. If you only mic up the sweet spot on one speaker and set the amp EQ to best reflect that single speaker, and not do the same for the other speaker, then it isn't really a fair comparison, is it?
the point of the video was moreso to highlight the differences in the speakers and their voicings, not try to compensate for their differences in voicings. This isn't supposed to be a cut-clear "the V30 is the be all end all and everything else pales in comparison", but it's educational to show how drastically different and nuanced the difference in voicings are between speakers when all else is kept equal.
@@feltyash6484the main difference that the older ones are more desirable is less fizz and sizzle on top. More “note” if you will. Quite clearly A has much less sizzle and fizz than B. G12M-70 is a super dark and scooped speaker and t-75s are very sizzly and almost phasey so not really sure what you’re talking about they both sound extremely different than a V30.
@@feltyash6484 have you compared them side by side? I have multiple times with multiple different speakers of both. The low end of a g12m70 is very loose not a bad sounding speaker but it’s more of like a doomy-stoner sound rolled off super highs kinda scooped and in general sounds very distant. Kinda the general opposite of a V30 IMO but hey all speakers can vary. That’s just been my experience owning probably about 30 v30s in different cabs and a few cabs with g12m70s. Everyone has their own tastes, but I’m still pretty sure A is the older one doesn’t mean you have to like it more.
V30s sound great with a plexi circuit, it just just depends on your personal tastes. I really like the DV77 for lower gain stuff and the verteran 30 sounds better for more classic and heavier rock than metal for me, but I've never had any issues with these speakers with our old Marshalls.
I don't think anyone said it was shit, in fact we both really liked it. As it goes they were super close, not very different at all. I thought that was pretty clear from the video.
@@konanpanagiotopoulos2733 it says &$#!%, that's not a word and if it were to be masking a word it would be a five letter word, like great. It's not to fool anyone, but it's pretty clear in the video that they sound very similar and we both like them. I'm relatively well known for defending the V30 from all the non-sense about it being a different speaker.
The point is to test them in that situation, because Nolly works in that styles and has had a lot of success. Watch our other videos, we very rarely go this heavy and get plenty of comments complaining about it. It is also the first in a series of videos, like I say at the start, where we look at the V30, probably the most common speaker out there, and test it against multiple speakers.
No. I wish he had used the exact same riffs on both speakers, but I am having issues with getting the tightness I want with a chinese vintage 30 even with my presence on power amp pushed all the way. Depending on the pre amp section it makes a huge difference, some pre amps are not going to give you what you need in a chinese v30 especially if they have no bright switch or added eq. It's ridiculous.
Typical comment from someone who doesn't "get it" Let me spell it out for you. Nolly is one of the best engineers in the metal genre, metal is a popular genre with a lot of bands, and a lot of fans, and the V30 is the most important guitar speaker in that genre. Most people in the audience who want to hear Nolly giving his opinion on V30 speakers have zero interest in clean tones. We want to hear the V30 doing the V30 thing, which is heavy chugging riffs. If you can't hear the V30 sound here, you have no ears. I can recognise that distinctive midrange "chonk" from a mile off. I personally don't enjoy V30s for clean sounds or edge of breakup. Why bother when there's so many options. This speaker is THE metal speaker, Nolly is a top guy in the metal genre, anything else but metal in this video is a waste of most people's time. The video isn't here to serve your particular niche desires. The great thing about RUclips is theres a very large amount of content, and most of it is very focused on imits own niche, rather than being for a general audience. This is a video for people who play, record or mix metal. If you want to hear someone playing non metal through a V30, it's out there, but most people aren't interested in hearing it do non metal genres, because that's not what it's good at. I really wonder why you're even here tbh.
Also did you actually listen to Nolly talk? He talks about how high gain sounds really accentuate the upper midrange and high end in a speaker, and how if you take a speaker that has a lot of "air" in it that sounds great for cleans, it will sound horrible and fizzy for high gain metal tones. The V30 has a thing in the lower midrange, and a roll-off in the high end that works really well for high gain.
Legit question here - Is it the guitar player’s responsibility to tailor his sound to fit as well as possible into what, somewhat subjective, place the engineer or producer feels is appropriate? Or is it incumbent upon the engineer or producer to eq the sound and make it fit? Or, is it a combination? Or can an engineer/producer or guitar player step out of the conventional thinking of what a “good” guitar sound is, and try something new, different, and unconventional? Please expand your listening tastes beyond the previous 10 years of metal. Are those good tones? Yes. Are there others? Undoubtedly. Widen your horizons, you pompous snobs.
To be clear - you guys suck. And I don’t care how carefully crafted your cabs are. The market is not filled with just Zakk Wylde and Joe Perry. Most people aren’t chasing the tone you deem proper or worthy. They’re brainwashed into thinking it’s the only worthy one. And that is why you, and people like you, suck. Don’t buy this garbage ideology or their products. Find your own way people. Be creative!
Sorry are you calling us pompous? If so I think you missunderstood the point of the video. You can dial in whatever sounds you like, on a regular basis I say there are no rights or wrongs in music. I pretty much say in all videos and editorials the best sound is the one you like the most. As far as who's responsibility it is, I don't care, it's no ones responsibility, if you want what you think is a good guitar tone then go get it, it's yours, if you are serious you'll either learn yourself or work with an engineer and a producer who you trust enough to help that sound fit well in a mix. I have a feeling you're taking all of this a bit too seriously if you're calling us pompous. That's so youtube.
Sure we use a heavy track to show how speakers cope with heavy playing. When we have a series of videos dedicated to how certain speakers sound in a heavy style we're not going to use a clean track, that wouldn't make sense. 80% of our videos don't go much heavier than standard rock tones.
Check out our friend John Browne's video with Nolly: ruclips.net/video/m6rxz_7ae4s/видео.html
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What are your thoughts on the modern Vintage 30? Let know below!
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Wow that’s totally shocking. I thought exactly that the opposite is true because the B has that 4k ish annoying mid spike that I’ve associated with the Chinese V30.
| have had same idea as PolyGroove. In new Chinese V30 that annoying top end (middle top) is gone. It sounds rounder and could work even for some other types of music.
That was expected, cause Chinese are more hatsh... I have v30 from 2002 and it is much better than new ones i had and sold...
On my first listen I preferred A. I watched the rest of the video. I made a pause, gave it a new listen, and my ear preferred B. What's going on here? 😂
That's the power of other sounds influencing our brain on what we subjectively hear.
@riangarianga psyco accoustic effect. You get saturated. But why should it matter? You can like whatever sounds better to you. And you can change your mind how many times and whenever you want. There is no good answer for everyone. In your case, you are the client. You need to be satisfied, period.
I have also found that the very newest V30s no longer have that real nasty 6k fizz happening. I try to be in the mindset of 'make what you have work' when it comes to cabs but getting into the weeds is pretty fun too.
Great video guys!
Thanks mate. I think a cab and speakers are something that ideally will do exactly what you want it to do, but then at the same time sometimes we need to roll our sleeves up and get busy on the eq... truth is we can have a lot of success with both. Always good hearing from you bro... I'd love to do something together.
Most DAWs will do an adaptive EQ with the compressor. I've used it on a narrow band on 5-7k with no make-up gain and that seems to sort the KESHHHHIIEESSHH out of it 😂
Also the v30s made since 2017 have had a new dustcap installed and sealed in differently compared to before (according to many YT videos and blogs I've seen). This will affect how the speaker moves physically.
Loved this! Can't wait for more of this!
Thanks mate. I'm going to get Gary to put a link up to your video tomorrow.
Just have to say you guys do the best speaker demos I've heard! Appreciate how you're capturing and sharing all of this!
That's really kind of you, comments like this make up for the ones saying we are dumb and don't know what we are doing ;)
stunning riffs and awesome video
Thanks mate.
My favorite was the V30
Definitely the best of the two ;)
I agree. But they probabbly recorded it with mic position adjusted for V30s sweetspot. Other speakers didnt get the same treatment so its not fair to say others cant sound even better with ideal mic position and even amp settings.
@@GolecLuka that's true, mic position was kept the same, we did talk about when we moved it and the results we got from that. There is no perfect way to do this, just minimise the variables but no 100% fair test. That said, there were plenty of speakers I preferred more than the V30.
Love my 99 mesa cab with v30's. Sounds good with everything. That said, just work with the EQ when you get shrill cabs. A good series would be a reference v30 with a shrill v30 plus EQ
The oem mesa v 30's sound better than the others, they are definitely not the same.
I personally prefer the older V30 example here.
But I wonder would the older V30 have sounded the same out of the box as the newer one? Is it just age and use that creates the high-end roll off.
I suspect this could be filtered out from the newer one if needed.
That's right, it's never really going to be a fair test. I think what we found here is that they were close enough to be able to easily eq either way like you say. Thanks for watching.
Those riffs are so dope.
On its own, I find the upper-mids spike of the V30 to be a bit nasal, but in the context of a mix like this I can understand why it works so well. It pokes through in just the right way. Thanks for sharing - I can't wait to hear the rest of the vids in this series!
I love it on it's own. It's so aggressive and gnarly, but never harsh.
Great video! I really look forward to the rest of the series. Just out of curiosity what was the date code for the new V30 in the demo?
Great video guys. I can imagine that older and new V30 in a 2x12 would sound awesome together. I have a spare 1x12 with a newer V30 which I definitely need to break in as it has that higher frequency spike
Thanks mate. I think that would be really useful in the studio.
Great job as always guys!
Thanks mate.
Two legends.
I don't want to come across as arrogant so I'm going to assume you mean Nolly and the V30 ;) Thanks mate.
Whenever someone goes "oh the V30 has too much mids" I'm like... what speaker has less, that doesnt sound fizzy as hell? There's so many that sound super nasal. The V30 compared to a lot is actually quite open sounding imo.
Guitar is a midrange instrument in the mix. The things that make people dislike the V30 are exactly why it's so good at what it does. That midrange is what makes it sit in a dense metal mix so well. It can sound awful by itself to be fair. But most isolated guitar tracks from famous metal albums sound horrible.
There's a reason the V30 is the most important speaker in metal.
I personally love that midrange "chonk" sound it has, it's like a cocked wah but more aggressive and throaty. Nothing else sounds like that.
@@Patrick-857 to me it's one of the few that doesn't sound like cocked wah lol. Greenback would be another one.
@void_snw Maybe I am describing it wrong. However it's very distinctive and I like it. It sounds nasty.
@@Patrick-857 maybe, or maybe it's me. Either way the v30 sounds right to me most of the time too :p
The new v30 sounds amazing!
damn i like the veteran a lot 30 here
That riff at 0:40 is awesome
Yeah he's a riff machine. Thanks for watching.
Great video as usual, guys!
I would just dig in more on the other sounds of the V30 (mid gain, low gain and even clean sounds). I always wander why on tests like this (old vs. new V30) almost everybody just stays around the high gain tones, with such a versatile speaker like this.
Thanks mate. This one was specifically for heavy stuff as we don;t do much heavy stuff and that's what Nolly is known for. We can do some follow up videos for sure, I think they would be very relevant. Thanks for the input..... as for high gain, it's just easier to hear the differences a lot of time especially when close micing. We've done clean and edge of break up videos and we generally get slammed for them ;)
the guru of V30 himself.
I called him the King but guru is probably better ;)
Yes apparently new V30s vs old v30s is a rabbithole. I only don't use one because I don't have one.
It's a minefield inside a rabbit hole hahaha
Great video Paul, really great stuff. I've got a quad of 2003 V30's with the 'grail' tone, also a pair of 1988 Original Gen. EVM12L's (different to the one in this test, which is a Series II) and although I'm happy I do, and I love the tone, there's way too much cork sniffing going on with some people (edit, not referring to this discussion/video). There is nothing wrong with any - including the new - V30's. I get why Nolly, as a producer, would want that cab/speaker in his mixes, but with just a little bit of EQ any V30 can sound like that 🙂
FWIW I prefer - for me and my playing - the EVM's, and they sound very different to the Series II in this video. I can't wait for my Zilla Purple Croc SFB to arrive and give my EV's a new home The V30's can stay in the Mesa cab.
Hi mate. I think with Nolly he's not really bothered what the speaker is but he's just found a certain speaker that works for his stuff and that the new V30 does just as well. There is a split between someone like Nolly who could eq just about any of the speakers (maybe with a few exceptions) to sound as he wants, but he's in the rare situation. A lot of this was to smooth over some of the opinions out there about why this V30 is the best and why that V30 is the worst... like you say a lot of cork sniffing. When it comes to EVs, I really like them, more for cleaner stuff but I;ve got at least half a dozen EVs and they all sound different, I'm not sure if that's due to different designs/batches, inconsistency within batches or how they have been kept over the years.... I really like them though. Thanks for watching mate.
@@ZillaCabs Strangely my two EV's sound almost identical - I ran a bunch of IR's and the curves are incredibly similar. That being said, they were made in the same week/year so perhaps not THAT surprising🙂
Totally with you on this one - Its a great idea to espouse and show the differences and lack thereof of the different V30's like you have - they're all fantastic. I've got the Zilla GGD IR pack thing and its great to see a continuation of the collaboration.
@@guvnafied I've got two from cabs with almost identical serial numbers, I;ve had big problems getting two 12Ls that sound the same. That said they've all been really cool and I'm super unlucky getting used speakers.
V 30 FTW
The vintage 30 is unbeatable IMHO! That e.v. is for a practice amp that you wanna burn sometime! ♨️
The other thing to consider is the "old" V30's are all well past being broken in. A fresh out of the box speaker is gonna respond a lot different compared to one with years of hard use.
Very true, the underlying note of the test was will a new V30 hold up and that the gap will most likely just close over time. Thanks for watching.
The best I’ve played are the 93 Mesa cab with V30’s and the old non textured tolex (got for $400, what a steal) and there is a 1998 2 1/2 w/ V 30’a that Mesa used at NAMM and gave to a Guitar Center employee because of some sales competition or something. That 2 1/2 has magic in it, and he got that thing for free.
I also have a 2005 Mesa with diamond plate armor on the sides and I want to love but it’s missing “something.” It’s not bad at all, but it’s just kinda “less than” in a way. Although the 2005 does have a higher volume to it which is odd to me.
I just resigned myself to the notion that guitar players will never be happy so let’s all check out the new shiny things and be happy someone is trying to make them for us.
Ive got a v30 4x12, 2x12, and a closed back 1x12. Just depends on where I’m jammin how many i need
B to me has more presence and top end. A a little muffled, but still warm and may sound better with a brighter amp. i preferred A, as again, easier to remove top end if needed than to try add it. now, hopefully i preferred the new one, as that's likely what i run in my cab. I have a 4x12, removed two top speakers and loaded V30's 5-6 years ago. mids rule.
Avatar speakers have perfected the V30 with their AV60 speaker. I have tried a number of V30 variants, and nothing comes close. Do yourself a favor and check one out!
The thing that sounds most like a V30 isn't a V30? Is it that the AV60 is a V30 but better or just that you prefer it tonally as a speaker, I mean like how I generally prefer a greenback. I've never really understood why companies make their version of another companies speaker, from experience when the marketing is, we took this and changed what we didn't like about it, it generally isn't as good, but I'll wait for one to pass by and see how it sounds. We had a couple of their speakers in a few years ago but they were just rebadged Fanes, but I'd be interested to hear them AV60 for sure as it comes so highly recommended.
@@ZillaCabs The Hellatone 60(i think the av60 is a fane) is just a broken in vin30 Relabelled. They use to sell them for less than regular Vin30s so you get a discount over MAP. So out of the box they have lost most of the fizz that people don't like. They sound good, like most broken in vin30s do.
Though I have to say I had an Avatar 25 watt ceramic speaker that as advertised did sound halfway between a green and the 12h30 anniversary. Very nice speaker. Gone up in price since I bought one, but they do have a very nice tone.
Sneap is on record as well saying he likes the new V30's
Nolly and Andy Sneap I;ve heard have had many a nerd out over the V30s ;)
I get the feeling that the amp was dialed in with the v30 so when switching to the 12L, DV77 and veteran 30 they all sounded quite off.
Sure, the V30 was the reference speaker, that was the point. It's never really a fair test as you'd introduce bias on how you dial in an amps sound, but there are plenty of speakers that in this same setting really sing. It's all a compromise, and most people wouldn't even pick those amp settings, we'd eq accordingly.
@@ZillaCabs That’s just not how most people set their sound. You dial in your tone to what you have rather than selecting certain settings and leaving those set. I just see so many videos comparing one amp to another or one pickup to another but the ones I find most helpful to real world situations is dialing each tone independently to each other and seeing what each of them do best. I love EV 12L’s and if you dialed in the amp based on that and then swapped speakers the v30 would sound not so great. But I agree, there are compromises to all of it. EV’s also excel with very high wattage amps and high spl’s and can handle low tunings exceptionally well with no cone cry. I guess my suggestion would have been just focusing on the new vs old v30’s since that was the title. Maybe throwing in the veteran 30 but the EV and DV77 have nothing to do with v30’s.
@@louderthangod No you are comparing against the Vin30s natural tone. This shows where they are at naturally. Sure you can adjust in to make them closer, but then you are changing how the amp interacts with the speaker thus defeating the experiment. You could set the amp at noon for everything, But again that also would make them all sound bad. I have one amp that simple has to be at 2 o clock on the contour or it is not appealing to my ears regardless of speaker.
Do you change the amp setup when switching from greenback to vin30s, no because then you are not referencing anything. Thats the point of using a looping pedal. Otherwise just have someone play it "close". You are trying to keep variables down, not introduce a whole lot more.
If I am watching this at home and do like the tone of any speaker, but can't get even near to it because they had the tone controls all over the place to make it sound like something it may not be, what is the point. Oh look bass-0, mid-9, treble-1....its mid heavy but that doesn't tell me how it sounds in a regular TMB setup. My P12R alnico jensen now sounds "closer" to an emi wizard, when they are nothing alike.
@@thorinbane The experiment is are new v30's similar to older ones. And they are. Nobody should questions if 12L's and DV77's are different speakers, of course they are and have no real business being compared to v30's unless you're going to dial your amp in for those speakers separately and yes, I do this all the time. Why would I leave the settings the same? That will only tell me I like the v30 more but then if I flip it to dialing in a Greenback or whatever and then switch to the v30 then of course I would conclude the Greenback is better.
Inherently it's not scientific in any functional way to a real musician because there are too many variables. Like I said I own a bunch of 12L's and this tells me nothing about what I would expect if I switched my same cab to v30's. The amp, guitar, pickups, pickup height, string gauge, picking style, even the pick, the bias of the amp let alone the settings of the amp (especially preamp gain level and how much headroom you dial in from the power amp) all play significant roles here. They just should have left it at modern vs 20-30 year old v30's.
Your point about not changing the settings of an amp when swapping speakers just isn't what I do and I'm curious why it is what you do? Do you really care about how one speaker is different from the other? That might see important at first but really, I just care about when dialed in for a gig or a recording, which one gets me the tone I want and that means dialing them in separately and comparing overall tone of both at their best for me and then which overall configuration I like best, not just with the speaker but with everything else.
The delta between the speakers doesn't matter if you don't like the end product.I'm well aware of how messy that is but it's honestly the only way if your tone is something you deeply care about which it isn't for everyone. Fine for them, not for me.
I agree about the eq at noon thing. I don't see the point of that when people do demo's. That's not ever how my eq looks, maybe it is for some amps for some players but I move the knobs without looking to find the sound plus turning up the treble on some amps (especially vintage ones like a Plexi, is less about the treble frequencies and more like a gain knob.
@@louderthangod Tl;Dr you missed the point.
I've gone thru a lot of cabs and the only ones that didn't get the V30s swapped were one with V30s from 2016 and one with the latest models with semi-see-thru dust caps.
I guess it depends on personal preference, the cab they are in and if the cabs aren't new then how they have been treated through their lives. Thanks for watching.
@@ZillaCabs additionally I have one 412 with V30 and veteran30 mix. Not my favorite but it's in heavy use so no time to experiment.
I prefer less harsh v30s.
What about that Black Cat speaker that's based on the actual V30, but without whatever thing that surrounds the speaker cone?
How do they stack up?
Do you mean the Bad Cat speaker? I'm not sure if they're not just rebadged Celestions.
They are V30s without the doping. KHE uploaded a video a week or so ago and the man from BadCat confirms it
So what was B? It has that prescense I want.
I had a modern built Chinese built pair of V30's in a Mesa F100 combo ...rehret not pulling them whe i let the amp go... best sounding V30's i have owned
I liked all of those tbh. The Eminence is one of the ones Fricker has said he liked isnt it? I still have a Valvestate combo from the early 90s with the Black Gold speaker in it. Wish they made those still! It was cheap but I always got great recordings from them
The Black Gold speaker is a predecessor to the later G12T "Hot 100".
Shame my VS100 had an 8 ohm Black Gold Celestion, if it was 16 ohm I'd have kept it and mixed it a 2x12 with a V30
That speaker was the best component of the Valveste MK2 I had 😂🤣
@@JohnWiku yeah I think most were 8ohm. I dont know much about the "Hot 100", will look that one up.
V30 is still the best for what us metal heads do.
Nah, it's shit.
@@vorpalblades disagree.
For modern metal sounds it does work really well.. I like it for loads of other stuff too.. Thanks for watching.
Did the new V30 have a white stamp like ZXX-444 or XXA-444 on the cone?
Most have that, do you specifically mean Z at the start of A at the end or three letter before the 444 cone marking?
@@ZillaCabsIndeed I meant specifically a Z at the start or an A at the end. TheOtherJohnBrowne found these to be smoother.
@@Marco_Aben I put a little less stock in the variation between batches as often it's hard to know what use and conditions the speaker has been kept in.
Okay. It still think it would be interesting to check. The Z and A coded cones are from 2021/2022, so fairly new. All the A and Z ones TheOtherJohnBrown tested were smoother. Also the preceeding Y cones and succeeding B cones had the 6khz spike.
@@Marco_Aben were they all from the same source, brand new out of the box and stored in the same place? And multiple versions of each tested? Same mic, same mic position and on different days ABBA etc?
I much much much preffered the B speaker
Is there an accepted difference between Mesa’s v30s and any other brands or off the shelf v30s???
That's a subject that can be dangerous, there's a lot of people out there that will argue all sorts of different points.
A Mesa rep on the Boogieboard forums confirmed a few years back that they're made to Mesa's spec.
@@MarkSDD sure, but they would say that, they'd be going against Mesa's marketing if they said anything other if it's true or not.
what is A or B ? unanswered question forever...
Ive tried WGS back when they were 50 cheaper than celestion...OK substitute, but when they are close in price, might as well get the real deal. Jensen does it better with the jet series.
A sounds like the older speaker with a more rolled off top end. B sounds like a newer V30.
The results should be in the description.
@@ZillaCabs Turns out I was completely wrong.
@@ZillaCabs I've read the description like three times... am I missing something?
Yeah @zillacabs what’s the old one A or B
I think the veteran 30 sounds the best. I have the dv77 and it's rubbery sounding. very hollow like a bouncing ball but the warehouse veteran sounds great just cleaned up version of a vintage 30, more polished
That's the good thing about speakers, it's all subjective, there are no right answers.
If the vintage 30 was a person I would buy it a drink.
haha I like that mate, great comment!
V30 wins, but not gonna lie...that veteran 30 sounded waaaaay better than I expected.
I like the Veteran 30, for me maybe more for rock and heavy rock but I like it too.... In this setting the V30 did work really well but the situation really did test other speakers to keep up rather than playing to the speakers specific strengths, so any speaker that sounds good in this situation will generally sound better when working with that speaker alone... did that make sense haha? Thanks for watching.
I reckon B is the mesa
B is better, always have to boost highs and presence on my newer V30. Actually the reason I wandered away from using V30s at all
Not to be a fanboi (I have neither V30 or DV-77 in my cab), but wouldn't it be more fair comparison if you all guys EQ'd the amp specifically for DV-77? Since there's no objectively good or neutral sound just after a preamp and a poweramp, we all shape up sound based on what we hear coming from speakers. I wonder how would V30 sound if you set DV-77 EQ to your liking first, because what you presented was the worst DV-77 sound ever, IMHO.
Then you’re changing too many variables, and the comparison becomes pointless.
"B" sounds better to my unprofessional ear.
Yes it's much better for a band mix
Haven't seen a nolly solo album comment here so I'm going to say it myself
Hmm a sounds more rounded of on the top b a crispy top
Definitive Chinese V30 got better for my ears. Once I have as reference in house sound as he said fizzy and give you headache over time. Especially with bright amplifiers. I build point to point amplifiers and I have to make sure my amplifiers can be used with V30 as well . Despite the fact that V30's are not at the level of my amplifiers. I recommend good speakers for the music that they play and I explain that bad speakers will ruin the tone but often people do already have cabinets. There are so many V30 loaded cabinets. So what happens is people say yes they understand. Than come home and plug into V30 cabinet. Then they hear best tone they have ever had and say wow this is enough and stay with V30 cabinets never hearing what amplifier actually can do with great cabinet with great speakers.
Again I have to say what you mention over and over again, importance of the speakers and cabinets is enormous. People somehow do not get it. I have plugged in all kind of cabinets. Once I have plugged in in 2x12 of the rehearsal place. I though my amplifier was broken. I was asking myself have I broken the tube or something in the transport? It sounded awful.
Came back home and wanted to open the amplifier but I thought wait let me try it once more with my gear. Day and night. It sounded even good with V30 cabinet.
I have inspected the amplifier, used other set of tubes and I have tried to pull on stuff to see was something loose. Everything was as it should be. Never ever and issue again.
I do not get money or anything from Zilla to say anything nice about them nor I have any other connection with them, but I have heard and tested their cabinets. They look and sound great. They are extremely well built with great attention to detail. At least once I have seen have been top class. Second to none. Their cabinets will improve the tone of every amplifier and will last long time. Plus their prices for drivers from Celestion was better than me ordering them here locally. But then Brexit came and it ruined it for me :(
Simple thing if you have what someone might said to you a bad cabinet, just try to rent good cabinet somewhere and go to A/B them.
Good cabinet with good speakers will sound better but can be also way louder as well. Drivers have so called sensitivity. In some cases sensitivity is 3 dB higher on some speakers (mostly Alnico and Heavy magnet speakers have 100 dB/W/m sensitivity while others go from 96 to 98dB) and then speaker with higher sensitivity will sound like it was powered with two times more power or 1x12 will sound as loud as 2x12. Good cabinet wit ha good driver is the single biggest change in tone one can make.
If you have good cabinet but you are not satisfied with your tone try changing speaker. It will give you way more change than changing tubes or almost anything else in your chain.
And change does not cost that much. Already 150 bucks speaker can change your tone totally. Friend changed V30 with the Hempback in the early Badcat combo and his world changed. For low gain and clean sounds it is million times better tone now. Before that he changed everything and was never satisfied. He could not believe the change it made.
Main thing is that the most important thing is that you love your tone. Forget what others think. Find and use what makes you inspired.
I bet its a pain building amps if you're not that into V30s as like you say, most people will use them with an existing cab.. adding in the fact that speakers are so subjective too and dynamic.... I bet we'd both dial in different tones in the same amp and we'd both be right, and that's what makes music so fun, and some youtube comments so annoying haha the inability to understand how everyone is different. Send me an email, it'd be really good to chat further rather than just youtube comments. Paul
Thanks Paul, I will do that.
B is the vintage
a is the old one
dv77 is that bad? awful. however even if i am not a v30 fan the newer ones are indeed much much better than some years ago.
I don't mind the DV77 at all, it just didn't come out all that great in this situation, but Nolly was going for a very specific sound. I actually really like the DV77 for rock and heavy rock, and I've heard some really cool heavy tracks with it. When testing speakers we always have to consider that we wouldn't actually play like that, we'd eq or change things around until we got the sound we wanted, or close to it. Thanks for watching.
@@ZillaCabsI liked the DV77 a lot. It might get lost in the mix as it sounded here, but the overall impression I got was good. And I love V30s. I've got a mesa 4*12 from about 2005 and a few newer ones too. Hard to beat for an all round performer for the metal player. Great video by the way, really juicy chugs. ❤
B = MESA
something is way off on your dv77 needs thrown away mine doesn't have that terrible sound it also has more low mid than v30 but I have one hand picked and signed by Thompson when they got released once in lifetime buy opertunity
Maybe that's it, if its hand picked. We've used plenty of these and that's how they have sounded to me, which I didn't think was that bad.
Its not fair to mic other speakers on the sweetspot where v30s sounded the best. Maybe mic them closer to the cone and adjust the amp so that it compliments other speakers, than compare them. This way its not fair.
Sure it's not fair, there are a massive amount of compromises that you have to make in a speaker comparison. This method is generally fairer than introducing human bias/error of tweaking eq/amp settings as through the weekend you end up at a very different place, and is in itself subjective. That said, the Veteran 30 is supposed to be a better V30 so it should behave in a very similar way when mic'd, it does have very similar build etc. The final recordings with other speakers were very representative of how they sound mic'd. All these tests include a lot of compromise.
Still, appriciate your work and other videos. You helped me to pick redback.
@@GolecLuka thanks mate. We've got a video with Nolly and the redback coming out this weekend, it sounded really good.
Mate, they do that on all EV speaker comparisons to Celestions. Maybe one or two comparisons on RUclips are accurate. Also, Zilla, that's a horrible argument. If you drugged Real Madrid before a match with GHB and made them play Dundee United (who were allowed to take EPO before the match), then I'd wager that Dundee United would most likely win. If you only mic up the sweet spot on one speaker and set the amp EQ to best reflect that single speaker, and not do the same for the other speaker, then it isn't really a fair comparison, is it?
the point of the video was moreso to highlight the differences in the speakers and their voicings, not try to compensate for their differences in voicings. This isn't supposed to be a cut-clear "the V30 is the be all end all and everything else pales in comparison", but it's educational to show how drastically different and nuanced the difference in voicings are between speakers when all else is kept equal.
A is the older one
Definitely not. The b has a much more vintage thing going on, sounds kinda like a g12t75 or g12m70
@@feltyash6484the main difference that the older ones are more desirable is less fizz and sizzle on top. More “note” if you will. Quite clearly A has much less sizzle and fizz than B.
G12M-70 is a super dark and scooped speaker and t-75s are very sizzly and almost phasey so not really sure what you’re talking about they both sound extremely different than a V30.
@@acrylicrecording The 12m is not really dark or scooped at all, it's like a more aggressive v30
@@feltyash6484 have you compared them side by side? I have multiple times with multiple different speakers of both. The low end of a g12m70 is very loose not a bad sounding speaker but it’s more of like a doomy-stoner sound rolled off super highs kinda scooped and in general sounds very distant. Kinda the general opposite of a V30 IMO but hey all speakers can vary. That’s just been my experience owning probably about 30 v30s in different cabs and a few cabs with g12m70s. Everyone has their own tastes, but I’m still pretty sure A is the older one doesn’t mean you have to like it more.
@@acrylicrecording Aaron rash did a great comparison, i only ever compared new v30s to g12m70s
Any of these speakers don’t sound good with a plexi circuit…. They’re great with high gain amps…
V30s sound great with a plexi circuit, it just just depends on your personal tastes. I really like the DV77 for lower gain stuff and the verteran 30 sounds better for more classic and heavier rock than metal for me, but I've never had any issues with these speakers with our old Marshalls.
its not shit its just like a diferent celestion speaker...
I don't think anyone said it was shit, in fact we both really liked it. As it goes they were super close, not very different at all. I thought that was pretty clear from the video.
@@ZillaCabs the picture you have to fool and make viwes for the video literaly says "this v 30 is...shit"
@@konanpanagiotopoulos2733 it says &$#!%, that's not a word and if it were to be masking a word it would be a five letter word, like great. It's not to fool anyone, but it's pretty clear in the video that they sound very similar and we both like them. I'm relatively well known for defending the V30 from all the non-sense about it being a different speaker.
I think we’re splitting hairs here… and using thrash metal as a test bed is about as useless as screaming into a bullhorn.
….thrash metal? 😂 there was no thrash metal here.
The point is to test them in that situation, because Nolly works in that styles and has had a lot of success. Watch our other videos, we very rarely go this heavy and get plenty of comments complaining about it. It is also the first in a series of videos, like I say at the start, where we look at the V30, probably the most common speaker out there, and test it against multiple speakers.
No. I wish he had used the exact same riffs on both speakers, but I am having issues with getting the tightness I want with a chinese vintage 30 even with my presence on power amp pushed all the way. Depending on the pre amp section it makes a huge difference, some pre amps are not going to give you what you need in a chinese v30 especially if they have no bright switch or added eq. It's ridiculous.
Typical comment from someone who doesn't "get it"
Let me spell it out for you. Nolly is one of the best engineers in the metal genre, metal is a popular genre with a lot of bands, and a lot of fans, and the V30 is the most important guitar speaker in that genre.
Most people in the audience who want to hear Nolly giving his opinion on V30 speakers have zero interest in clean tones. We want to hear the V30 doing the V30 thing, which is heavy chugging riffs.
If you can't hear the V30 sound here, you have no ears. I can recognise that distinctive midrange "chonk" from a mile off. I personally don't enjoy V30s for clean sounds or edge of breakup. Why bother when there's so many options.
This speaker is THE metal speaker, Nolly is a top guy in the metal genre, anything else but metal in this video is a waste of most people's time. The video isn't here to serve your particular niche desires.
The great thing about RUclips is theres a very large amount of content, and most of it is very focused on imits own niche, rather than being for a general audience. This is a video for people who play, record or mix metal. If you want to hear someone playing non metal through a V30, it's out there, but most people aren't interested in hearing it do non metal genres, because that's not what it's good at.
I really wonder why you're even here tbh.
Also did you actually listen to Nolly talk?
He talks about how high gain sounds really accentuate the upper midrange and high end in a speaker, and how if you take a speaker that has a lot of "air" in it that sounds great for cleans, it will sound horrible and fizzy for high gain metal tones. The V30 has a thing in the lower midrange, and a roll-off in the high end that works really well for high gain.
Legit question here - Is it the guitar player’s responsibility to tailor his sound to fit as well as possible into what, somewhat subjective, place the engineer or producer feels is appropriate? Or is it incumbent upon the engineer or producer to eq the sound and make it fit? Or, is it a combination? Or can an engineer/producer or guitar player step out of the conventional thinking of what a “good” guitar sound is, and try something new, different, and unconventional?
Please expand your listening tastes beyond the previous 10 years of metal.
Are those good tones? Yes.
Are there others? Undoubtedly.
Widen your horizons, you pompous snobs.
To be clear - you guys suck. And I don’t care how carefully crafted your cabs are. The market is not filled with just Zakk Wylde and Joe Perry. Most people aren’t chasing the tone you deem proper or worthy. They’re brainwashed into thinking it’s the only worthy one. And that is why you, and people like you, suck.
Don’t buy this garbage ideology or their products. Find your own way people. Be creative!
Sorry are you calling us pompous? If so I think you missunderstood the point of the video. You can dial in whatever sounds you like, on a regular basis I say there are no rights or wrongs in music. I pretty much say in all videos and editorials the best sound is the one you like the most. As far as who's responsibility it is, I don't care, it's no ones responsibility, if you want what you think is a good guitar tone then go get it, it's yours, if you are serious you'll either learn yourself or work with an engineer and a producer who you trust enough to help that sound fit well in a mix. I have a feeling you're taking all of this a bit too seriously if you're calling us pompous. That's so youtube.
So this is the music you use as a demo........lose the doom and play something that's not in a drop tuning.
Sure we use a heavy track to show how speakers cope with heavy playing. When we have a series of videos dedicated to how certain speakers sound in a heavy style we're not going to use a clean track, that wouldn't make sense. 80% of our videos don't go much heavier than standard rock tones.