My Body Gets Better My Eyes Get Worse
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- My long strange PRI trip has been one of amazing discovery.
The main discovery was how my visual system was the origin of all my problems.
As my physical body gets better, my vision gets worse. It's ironic, but true. I think I know why, but I can't be quite sure, but I'm going to talk about it anyway.
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Neal... I appreciate how you break everything down scientifically. Thank you for all your work.
I have been experiencing something really strange. I don't know if it's normal but since the time I have tried to be 'grounded' more (insoles, a paper towel) I feel something similar to 'an electrical current' going through my big toes. Such a weird feeling. It is not painful. It is as if my big toes were plugged into a battery. It goes away most of the time but sometimes it lasts even through the night. So it is still there when I wake up. Really interesting. Many thanks for this video.
I experienced this awful visual issue AFTER I corrected my tilted head and posture. The more I corrected my misalignment the more my vision got worse. wow
That's interesting. What did you do to correct your posture? Did you do Postural Restoration?
Neal Hallinan yes. I did a combination of the basic PRI techniques, strengthening and most importantly incorporate PRI into my daily life.
@@amhedshaavi8626 any chance you have an astigmatism in your eye? I also noticed I have a tilted head and am wondering if it’s because of my astigmatism not being treated for so long.
Your eye focus is determined by muscles squeezing the lens, so my understanding is that your body is possibly focusing so much on new muscle patterns, that the eye muscles are no longer working correctly. Rather than getting new glasses, do eye exercises to 'reconnect' the eye muscles to your new posture!
I am experiencing essentially the same thing that’s discussed in this video. I got diagnosed with 4th nerve palsy (superior oblique palsy) in my left eye after getting misdiagnosed twice. I recently experienced walking correctly for the first time in god knows how long, where I felt my right arch, left heel, and right big toe. It felt incredible. It is of no coincidence that during this time, my neck pain and vision was the worst it’s ever been. My body has 100% been compensating in many different ways to deal with this binocular vision dysfunction. It compensates with a head tilt to the right, a face turn to the right, extension, and by squinting the right eye, along with other methods I can’t really articulate at the moment. Makes perfect sense why no PRI program worked for me, because like you said, you can do these techniques till you’re blue in the face but if you have a binocular vision dysfunction, your visual system is going to run the show and you will never overcome it.
That is quite true. Glad you're having your "a-ha moments"! You know, in your profile picture, your head is turned to the right 😳
Hi Neal,
This is a very interesting story to all of us, and to me.
I am wearing a plus lens (only for close work) to get my refraction to change from 20/50 ( -0.75 D), to 20/20 (+0.25 D ).
I always learn from different perspectives on a problem!
Your experience is valuable to me.
Happy to hear that.
There's a friend of mine who's a bodybuilder, a very hardcore one. Ever since I started watching your videos and I have seen almost all of it, my first impulse whenever i meet a person is to look at how they breathe, their neck muscles (right SCM particularly). So my friend has an extremely overactive neck, upper traps and lats. Highly overactive. He just loves to keep his muscles flexed all the time. He cant look to the left or right without engaging his SCM too much. His ribs are extended but he has no pain, absolutely no pain. He definitely needs PRI. I have noticed that only people who have chronic pain approach PRI, others just don't understand the importance of it.
Those are very good observations, Arjun.
Does your friend need it? From my perspective, absolutely. It will catch up with him in the future.
But someone who is young and not in pain won't see the point.
Pain is one hell of a motivator.
hi Neal, it has been 3 years, what about now? does your vision changed any further? maybe you could revisit this topic again. thank you
Hey Neal, I have been working with someone trained in (among other things) PRI and with a neuro-optometrist, as your videos indicated to me that maybe my vision was a part of the chronic pain mess I was/am in. Interestingly, my clarity has gone from -2.5 to -3.5 over time as I am undoing compensations and am starting to slowly feel better. My eyes and neck have still been problematic despite a lot of compensation undoing below the neck, but these days I remembered your video and I considered checking my clarity. Turns out I wasn't seeing sharp anymore at all, didn't even realize it. I bought -3.5 lenzes and so far, there has been a big reduction in neck, shoulder and eye tension. Though with chronic pain, you're always afraid of it coming back, as I am sure you know all about. Anyway, thanks again for your content! It is important
That's good to hear. Yes, vision is a big component of all this. Most people don't have issues with vision, thankfully.
Would love to hear another update on this in a few months
I'll do that.
Neal
Long time listener first time commenter.
Your journey is amazing..
Your journey took years.. are there PRI practioners (including yourself) who could speed up that journey for clients?
I really don't want to take this long to my patterning..
I recommend you go to the PRI website and work with them your nearest provider. Make sure to inform them on all your problems and concerns including your feet, vision, teeth and injuries. Everything needs to be addressed because it’ll only affect your performance doing PRI exercises.
That did make sense. As I get more grounded, I find that I can’t see as well. Interestingly, when I was in midst of a lot of pain and imbalance, my vision actually improved. So this seems to be something worth noting. Now that I’m better, I should go get checked again.
There is an eye condition called BVD (binocular vision dysfunction). One can have perfectly fine sight yet still have issues with the alignment of their eyes/pupils. Correcting the eye misalignment requires prism glasses. Not every eye exam will catch this condition though. One needs to do some research in advance and see if person performing the eye exam is familiar with BDV.
I believe I’m heading down the same path. You have described me perfectly. Thank you. I’ll be getting a splint soon. I hope my PRI therapist and my own diligence can get me to a better level to not have too many adjustments to my splint. I actually think I’ll need the ALF. I went with out glasses till 43. I was seeing signs and driving because of context, memory of the area. When I had to drive in an unfamiliar area I could not read the signs. Anyway I could go on….also I could read a word by its length and shape if I got som letters. I can also know a country road by memory of its shape and what was up ahead. Almost like a snapshot in my mind. I hope I can go to Nebraska some day.
Before I even looked at the your chart, this is exactly what I would have predicted. Yes, I also went undiagnosed and had many of the same issues, unity of body, all the diodes down my left side, torticollis, but I've detailed my journey along the way in my videos. I get it, I'm still trying to keep my old visual system in some ways even though my glasses do now allow me to relax a lot better. I've detailed the palaver I had trying to get glasses in my opticians horror story videos.
Profound. I appreciate you're vids and the ones on PRI's page a lot
Thanks, Bonby.
Interesting observations. I know I use my right eye more. Gonna have to get my eyes checked out. Been a while since I got an exam
I wish we could meet we have so many thing in common. It is incredible.
Since I started taking thing in my own hands, I noticed that everything is linked.
I made a progress and gain some mobility magically I could play guitar comfortably standing. Or the music theory I worked on hard without result comes into place. Another thing, misspelling improve (always been an issue whereas I was actually good at grammar and syntaxic analysis, I liked old latin).
Etc.
As for the eyes I'm going though the same process. I no longer see well upclose and there is more to it than the aging process. It affects both eyes differently.
Since I've started my journey, my stance keeps changing, eventhough sligtly, so my eight, my eyesight, etc I've noticed an alteration in my capacity to recognize people facial trait as I used to. That is really disturbing at time and I hope it comes back together may I complete my journey… really weird feeling.
looking back for me.. all the signs .. but I wonder I am cross dominate left eye right handed.
Same here for me.
makes perfect sense and personally relateable
except of course no explanation was provided for how you "removed right torsion", which I assume is a long explanation about PRI
My entire YT channel is about how I unraveled the torsion. It's not just one one thing so "PRI" is the overall answer.
Great video Neal. I'm always waiting for your videos as much as I am waiting for the PRIVY ones to come out. I find your videos of amazing value to widen the perspectives learned in PRI, and look at them from a different angle. I have great respect for you as a person and as a teacher. Also, I have a suggestive thought, as you have previously mentioned, you started with a right torsion, which per definition would mean that you had some PEC components going on in your system which would not allow lateralization to either of the sides, thus requiring pathological compensations. Now obviously you have mastered your left side like no one else in the world. However, your left eye deteriorated faster in its vision in relation to the right eye, especially in the period of resolving the cranial torsion. Could it be that from a PEC/Torsional state, you just lateralised yourself so well on the left side, that some of the PEC components were still left on the right? Leading you to start overusing left, and potentially not recruiting the right (resting) side in a optimal, non PEC manner? That could potentially cause over-reliance on the left and increased tone of the left side which could be contradicting our natural asymmetry? I do appreciate the biasness to the right, but if that right bias was always used in a torsional manner, would it make sense to stabilize the right side in the exact manner as you did the left, potentially leading to optimal/stable asymmetry?
Would love to hear your thought on this one!
Wow, that's quite a question!
In regards to the torsioned state, which was likely most of my life judging by how early my facial asymmetries appeared, I used both sides in a compensatory way. I doubt I ever had a truly functioning frontal or transverse plane.
So although I was biased towards the right, neither side was being used correctly (which is true for most of us) and it's still probable that I'm not using either side correctly now.
I'm likely using them "well enough" to not have pain in my day-to-day life (unless activity levels increase to a high enough level that my brain decides it has to tighten me up to get through it).
I don't think that someone will ever use their left side in a non-compensatory way if they are torsioned. The torsion occurs on the right (although left torsions of the cranium are a pattern also) and it actually "locks" you into the right sided bias, thereby preventing you from using your left side in a non-compensatory way.
In other words, you can't use your left side with true biomechanics if your neck is literally "locked" into a rightward orientation due to the jamming of the temporal-sphenoid-occipital-atlas complex.
You can't "get left" unless your entire body can rotate in that direction and stabilize on that side. The torsion prevents that from happening because your neck is locked into that rightward orientation.
I was able to unlock my neck 2.5 years ago, but my eyes and teeth were still operating with a torsioned "memory". That's why I needed a special prescription and why I finally got Invisalign. To make new "neuro-sensory memories".
In regards to my eyes, I was told that my brain likely "chose an eye" at a young age to avoid a double-vision type scenario. I guess it's impossible to know exactly what happened.
I can't guarantee that I'm correct in 100% everything I just wrote, but I'm pretty sure it's at least mostly correct.
@@NealHallinan Thank you for your response! :)
Have you ever seen a correlation between vision issues and torus palatinus and/or mandibular tori? I had an incorrect glasses prescription for several years, and I feel reasonably sure that's the reason why my pre-existing tori started to rapidly increase in size.
There is no doubt that your vision and mandible are connected through the influence of the sphenoid and temporal bones, which they eyes and mandible connect to respectively. I can’t say specifically what may have occurred in your case, but as to a actual connection between vision and jaw position, there is no doubt.
Yeh, if you have longsightedness, it's something you always have and it develops out at you get older - it's known as latent hyperopia - so yes, it will lengthen out as the eyes relax more. Longsightedness is not the same as the opposite as shortsightedness. It works a little differently and you need the plusses to see distance properly as well, so very farsighted people have problems at both ends!
Have you seen Mike Mews stuff on orthodontics vs orthotropics?
Have you tried doing eye focus exercise after getting neutral? Seems helping for me (nearsighted)
Hi Neal,
My jaw problem came first and my vision problems second. Not same as your situation. That's why I've got some questions:
Do you think my vision issues can get better after PRI+splint therapy?
Or do you think I've got to get prism glasses as well?
And in which order?
Do you have a video about how to remove the torsion in your neck?
Hello Neal interesting video yet again. I have recently found I am a pec and may be on course to a patho pec. I'm currently doing exercises to solve this and am working on sensory problems with my body. Two questions, the first is to fix the facial assymetry do u have to get neutral and then will Ur face just go back to normality or do you have to do further facial exercises. The second is what did u do to fix the neck torsion and get Ur craniosacral system more balanced.
In regards to facial asymmetry, it doesn't require facial exercises. Most of what I've done is just PRI techniques. But it's the glasses that allowed the techniques to work. Without the glasses, I had too much tension and the techniques didn't change a whole lot.
You really need help from a PRI professional if you're in a torsion situation, because true torsions require multi-disciplinary care (usually at least a dentist). There is no way to do it alone.
❤thank u!
After I do pri at night before I go to bed I turn the lights off and notice that my left eye experiences night blindness but not my right...
Perhaps you need to see an optometrist?
@@NealHallinan saw a behavioral optometrist last March... Didn't pick up anything
Does invisalign provides proper occlusion of missing lower molar
It's funny you post this. I've been thinking my prescription has changed. I'm getting extremely tight again. Today I noticed my Achilles was acting up again after a light day at work. Is it losing the ground again? Last night I noticed I was squinting reading. My spasms in my left eye is calming down since getting the glasses. The new glasses did remove tons of tension in the facial and eye area though. My right arch won't drop anymore and today I was playing around and working with my right eye closed and I can feel my arch drop. I did pick out some new pri shoes but I just haven't got to the store to try them. I think this weekend I might see if I can find a pair at Kohl's but honestly I think it's more then shoes. Just wanted to give you an update. And I also noticed now around the house I tend to wear my glasses which I never did before. I feel like my vision has gotten worst that I need glasses I guess.
It might be more than shoes, but I know your shoes aren't great, so start with that. Prescriptions can change quickly. You have to ask the optometrist.
Hey Neal, your videos are really awesome. I have one question for you maybe it's tough one to answer. My whole body is in pain and I have found I have vision tooth etc every issue. I am doing your left zoa excercises wince 3 months but they are not helping me currently. I really want to learn the pri courses but I have found in India nobody teaches them. What should I do now I know my body is so messed up even it would not possible for you to help online? Thanks
Thank you
So the problem only keeps moving around like a slippery fish from one body part to another? That makes me wonder... Is it always a good idea to correct our vision 100%?
I mean if poor vision comes from an imbalance in our brain-to-body connection - something our brains does to compensate for something else - shouldn't we also gradually decrease the prescription of our glasses during the PRI process to allow the problem to get better instead of just moving it from one body part to the other?
I might be way off though. It all depends on where our visual issues come from.
Have you seen that study called "Effect of Sunshine Duration on Myopia in Primary School Children" showing how more sunlight hours reduced the prevalence of myopia? I'm aware myopia is the opposite problem of what you have, though... so it might not be applicable to your problem, and also they only measured the prevalence of myopia in a number of children, not the degree of myopia in each child. Meaning it doesn't measure if more hours of ligth helps reverse it. Anyway the trend of increasing prevalence of myopia in school children flattened out and even reversed during the course of the study. Then the pandemic came and the number of cases of myopia increased again. (Haven't read the study carefully yet, one part of me wonders if it's just a lack of sitting and staring at a screen all day that made all the difference, but I hope they tested against another group to exclude that possiblity.)
If I remember it right, sunlight helps dopamine being produced in our eyes, and it's turned out that injecting dopamine into the eyes of mice also prevented myopia.... not that rodents are the same as humans but ... ya know, still interesting.
Another thing I've thought about.
Do people with good posture and a healthy skull shape with a high maxillae (that allows them to stand up against a wall with straight spines and necks without choking themselves on their own lower jaw) tend to have less visual problems? I mean. Kids rarely have visual issues of course. And they always have better postures than adults, because they haven't still lived in our weird world of unhealthy input like screens and sitting still too much etc.... And a good posture always expresses itself as a high maxilla. Without exceptions. I mean it's just a fact, right?
And... If wisdom tooth extractions do indeed play a role in the placement of the maxilla... (I could go on and on about that issue, with before and after pictures of a ridiculous amount of people that report changes in their craniums after extractions - I know it's controversial but I've seen to many examples of maxillary bones just dropping in the years following extractions - skull morphology is interesting) then removing teeth would make postures worse.
The fact that no one wants to look into the wisdom tooth thing is beyond me.
I know father and son Mew in the area of orthotropics looks into it and talk about it - still no one seem to care really. They're also quite "hated" by lots of dentists for saying the body adapts to our habits. :S
No, literally every person who removes them has their skull collapse to some degree - and even the smallest of changes leaves less room for us to hold our heads correctly - making us go into forward head posture.
I might look really really really stupid if this is not true at all - but I've just seen it too many times to count now that I sort of don't care any more, it's sad haha.
I feel this so much, I’ve had bad eye vision (still do) since 4th grade (I’m near sighted) and I just finished high school. No one in my family wears glasses or ever needed it, not even my grandparents. But I just seem to have shit vision. I hate wearing glasses and I still do so since 4th grade I had glasses, but I never ever wore them. I still don’t wear them so I think that’s my issue too. Would wearing my glasses help with my posture?
I believe you should wear your glasses (and get an eye exam since your old prescription may not be valid).
Your brain is "blind", it relies on proper sensory input to organize muscle activity properly.
Neal Hallinan thoughts on getting laser eye surgery???
Have you ever played around with a brock string for convergence training? I notice a change in the floor afterwards.
I have not. I wasn't advised that it was necessary.
Hi Neal, any chance you can make a video on the anterior glute medius? It's function and exercises for it would be awesome. Thank you for all the content.
I'll get around to it someday. A large portion of PRI techniques will activate the anterior left glute medius if done properly. But most people simply can't do it without help. It's too complicated.
@@NealHallinan thanks for the reply. I just have another question (sorry for pestering you haha). If you have strong activation of the right lower trap, do you by definition have adequate torso rotation to the right?
Do you do eye exercizes???
Hey Neal! Would love to hear what kind of optometrist you’re going to now for your eye therapy ? I’ve heard of behavioral optometrists, would you have any resources for this? Thank you!
I'm not doing any eye therapy. Just making sure my prescription is up-to-date. I had seen two "neuro-minded" optometrists (COVD), but probably only need a normal optometrist from now on. You can just Google COVD optometry and find resources.
Hi Neal, thank you for your videos.
I'm confused if I should get slight prescription for computer screens, I don't need glasses but optician said I need a very slight prescription for computer screen, will that have a negative affect on PRI work, as it makes the smallest letters on the test clearer but I don't want to potentially make things worse for something so minor
I'm not sure it would make anything worse. My situation isn't common so definitely don't compare yourself to me. Helping to relax your eyes is a good thing.
You're brilliant
Thanks, Zena.
Hello Neil, interesting observations.
What do you do if you feel that neck issues are coming from lower down in the abdominal area and there are no visual or other issues higher up, and the lower left floating ribs are flared&fixated (no buckethandle motion) for one reason or other?
I would say that you are in the left AIC, right BC, possibly right TMCC pattern. That's what you are describing. Necks are rarely "neck issues". The neck just gets overactive for many different reasons (pelvic instability, breathing etc..)
Also Neal, I went to my eye doctor watching your previous videos to resolve my visual system issues. That doctor prescribed me OD sph -1.75D, cyc - 1.75 D and OS -1.5 D,cyc -1.25D with prism on both glasses. But on wearing new glasses my visual system becomes more active. I think I need to try more number of my left eye to make it more sense of the ground . Now I hate wearing new glasses also. What do you recommend?
I'm not an optometrist nor do I know anything about your life, so I really can't recommend anything. I'm not qualified to give personal advice, truthfully. All I can do is speak broadly about how vision can influence patterns.
All I can tell someone (when working with them in-person) is if their body is neutral or not (passing their range of motion tests). I can't tell them what to do for their vision except see an optometrist. If they are neutral, their brain "likes" the prescription. If they are tight, their brain may not "like" the prescription. It's definitely the most difficult part of the PRI experience.
@@NealHallinan ok thank you for your advise.
Could You see it going the other way around? I'm restoring my movement capabilites using Bill Hartmann's methods and my eyesight seems to get a lil better.
yes, many people's vision gets better. That's actually normal. It's not actually getting better, though. It's just returning to a normal "non-patterned" state. Many people use their visual system to help stabilize their body, they use it as a compensatory mechanism.
Lol, laughing cause now I have more in my right eye with just 0.25 should I change the lenses in about 6 months ?! From my experience you should check the cilinder and the axis / degrees on both eyes IE for example I have 180 degrees on right eye and 175 degrees on the left eye..
My astigmatism has changed, also.
@@NealHallinan do mewing and will get better
Read an article recently about how improper swallows affect your eyesight.
I have no doubt about that. Anything "above the collarbone" can influence everything else "above the collarbone".
Who did you get your split from? A dentist around here? Do you think I need one? How did you know you needed it?
My dentist retired. Most dentists can make them
All person with left lazy eye have left aic pattern ?
I think so, it comes with neck rotated to right.
I wanted to try PRI to improve my eyesight, so better not to do?
Improving someone's eyesight is not really a goal of PRI. However, your eyesight might change while doing PRI simply because vision doesn't exist separately from the musculo-skeletal system. Nothing works in insolation.
Do you converge properly?
Yes, but as a far-sighted individual, all "near-work" is tiring.
but you said that you have fixed your bite after repositioning your cranuim. by usingc a splint
Ali Hasan I got a splint that did fix my bite in the sense that my jaw stays straight and my body can stay neutral. But my right canines don’t touch perfectly and the splint can’t fix that.
@@NealHallinan
Neal why it took you so long in this journey
I've read about athletes who got neutral in several months and fixed their vision and teeth !!
@@NealHallinan
and by the way how could I get a special help from you on skype or else
I got a splint to fix my crossbite and the orthodentist. said I need at least 3 months to balance my bite out. !
@@AliHasan-rf4kz Why did it take so long to get Invisalign? Is that what you are asking?
@@NealHallinan
no I'm asking about your whole journey
I mean how deffirence your case from those who got neutral in couple months using glasses , splints and the same reguler pri techniques
I'm sorry I'm very passionate about your content because I'm in the same situition you were six years ago
have you seen a psychotherapist?
Can you do a video on treating thoracic outlet syndrome?
It's on my list. From a PRI standpoint, nothing really changes: inhibit the left AIC and right BC pattern, stabilize the pelvis, expand the upper right chest wall with air.
Can you really exclude the progress of your eyes getting worse with age, though?
No, I can not exclude age related visual decline. I expect that to occur over time. However, from all my study of patterns, my feeling is that this two year period of decline is more due to "de-patterning". I can't prove that obviously, it's just my intuition.
hello how can i contact u im also in very bad state im from switzerland?