It's fascinating how they even look very similar to each other. Two great artists who manage to express quite similar sentiments but through different means. The music they created together is amazing.
@@johnogaage I have their album! I like it but it doesn't quite have the same magic they were creating before he left, understandably as it was like 10 years later. I'm just curious as to where they would've gone next after Dog Man Star, if they'd been able to resolve their differences at the time.
Idk how it took me so long literally till 2022 to discover Suede and Drowner my new all time favorite 🎉🎉🎉I was a Blur fan so again don’t know how I missed them. Much love and adoration 🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂
THANK YOU for uploading this. What an absolute joy. Ok, so fundamentally I'm sitting for an hour watching two blokes from London talking. Right there is the power of music. The joyful memories of me being 21 years old with a full head of hair and no money. Waiting patiently outside Portsmouth Pyramid Centre in Southsea in 1993 (I'm from Manchester). They arrived for the soundcheck, I met them, I hugged them, I watched them play the gig later (I'm on the bootleg video). I still have a fragment of Brett's black lacy top from that gig. Saw them in Liverpool and Manchester days later on the same tour. Happy memories. Painted People throw away? What are you two on about? It's phenomenal.
This is great! I'm very surprised to see them on the couch together talking about the good ol' days. I guess they got over whatever spat they had - which is nice. Cheers, "LiL'JpD."
Thanks for uploading this. I wish they had spent as long talking about Dog Man Star and hope they will one day write another album together. High Rising remains my favourite Suede track so its great to hear about that and how they both feel about it
Thank-you for uploading this, utterly fascinating. I hadn't made the connection between That Joke Isn't Funny Any More and Pantomime Horse. Hats off to Pete Paphides for getting them to reminisce in such a relaxed manner.
I know they did some interviews around 2013 when the band got back together and the records were re-issued... I'm not sure if Brett and Bernard did an interview for Dog Man Star at that time, as by my recollection, a lot of things happened during the time of making that album that they'd probably rather not remember.
Thank you for posting this. Way back when, I got a used CD of Dog Man Star; sort of liked it, didn't really get it. Then on a whim I picked a used copy of Stay Together. And Suede has been a part of my life ever since.
Thanks for this. Yes it's a bit awkward at times. But what I really felt, although it was never said, was the respect and appreciation they have for each other (especially towards the end of the interview). Would calling it gratitude for each other be too strong? It doesn't feel like it to me, but maybe that's because I feel grateful that they wrote music together that we still get to marvel at.
I think theyre head and shoulders above all the other 90s bands, and I actually really love my favourite 90s bands. But Suede are just in a different league, their music is sublime
Legends Cheers to 'em both for all the classic tunes cranked out in those few years alone - and of course the post-DMS Suede for continuing to be incredible Autofiction genuinely stands up to their finest material from even those first few records
Absolutely love SUEDE and the b-sides that surrounded it! My personal favourites are Pantomime horse and she’s not dead, the guitar on Pantomime horse always reminds of Jimi Hendrix X
@@spurv It definitely seems that way. Brett on his own over the last 10 years or so, seems very comforytable in his own skin, but he seems tense and restrained here, as if he doesn't want to say anything Bernard would react badly at. Still, at least they can sit together for over an hour. I'd have loved to see Morrissey and Marr do something like this.
"Mucussy" - how charmingly poetic. There must be a song there, Bert. 'We are the mucussy ones' - something like that. Yes, being dehydrated can add a little gravel to your voice, I think I know what he's getting at. # We'll be the mucussy ones - Mucussing our mucus - Unfettered #
@@sunny70299 Bro wtf are you even talking about? They made up decades ago and even formed a new band called Tears in the early 2000s, there’s no bad blood between them anymore.
I can't help, but think that Bernard has so much more to say because he hasn't been part of Suede all these years. Brett just lets him have his say out of respect.
'Cathedrals of noise' is a reference to journalistic descriptions that were commonly used by the British music press in particular Melody Maker and NME writers to describe shoegazing bands in the early nineties. These types of descriptions were so overused they became a cliche. I think is why the label Sonic Cathedral chose their name. They had a club night playing shoegaze music before they started the label. Is somewhat tongue in cheek.
Suede's music and content were always a great escape...To nail it down, was always pointless...Just get on board and enjoy the ride...Kind of just like how life works.
@makeittillufakeit No. Bernard was going through a breakdown and suffering some form of psychosis during the DMS sessions - bit of a challenge to work with during that time and no one has ever let him forget it. Because it's apparently totally ok to keep throwing someones mental health crisis back in their face 30 years later. Brett - off his face on smack and crack through most of the mid to late 90s - not very nice to be around or work with as testified by people who *were* there including Brett himself. But people just ignore that because Bernard is apparently an easier person to dislike.
Nice to se these two persons together in the same room....but Brett looks completely embarrassed knowing that he sacked this genius called Bernard Butler
I don't think it's annoyance at all. I think it's hurt. He and Brett were close friends and Bernard had supported Brett when he fell apart after he broke up with Justine, in his book Brett says Bernard was kind and patient and helped him glue his fractured world back together. So I think Bernard would be justified in feeling hurt that when his world fractured after his dad died while they were on tour, Brett didn't want to know. Brett had his reasons for being what he called an "emotional coward" which is that Bernards dads death stired up memories of his mums death and he didn't want to face them so instead he shut Bernard out and stopped talking to him. He has expressed regret for letting Bernard down. But he also said they never talked any of this through, so this interview was possibly the first time they discussed any of these issues. Tough to do it on camera and it shows in their body language. I feel for them both.
If he was still annoyed he wouldn't have worked with Brett in The Tears. Plus, in several interviews in recent years, he's taken on much of the blame for his departure from the band. Both him and Brett admitted they handled it badly. I think all of the band were hurt by Bernard's behaviour. Bernard going behind their back to give an interview without their knowledge to Q Magazine, titled "Brett drives me insane", where he basically spent all his time publicly slagging Brett off, obviously caused massive damage and friction. Brett was bady hurt. Demanding Ed be sacked as producer again caused huge friction. Having a disagreement with Simon about drums on New Generation and Bernard storming at him "just do your job" burned any remaining bridges with him. You can't be a dictator in a democracy, however important you are. Ironically, Ed stated he was the last person to fall out with Bernard, even though Bernard was going around trying to get him fired. It was like Bernard was going through the entire band, one by one, and burning bridges with them all.
@emospider-man6498 Oh I do and you are providing a fine case study. You have a preconceived idea of what Brett and Bernards relationship was and are projecting that onto this footage. When in fact, in realty at this time Brett and Bernard were good friends and were socialing regularly, even attending football matches together. If their body language is awkward at times it is most likely because this was the first time they had sat down and talked about any of this in detail and they were doing it on camera.
No things just got really fucked up during the making of dog man star. Brett was on heroin. Butler wanted a total different direction and producing the album became an ordeal.
I love every song on this album except The Drowners. Swap that with To The Birds and it is flawless. It absolutely blew my mind when I heard it first, given to me by my first real girlfriend. She refused to listen to Dog Man Star because Bernard had left. I told her he was on the album, but she wasn't the brightest lamp on the street. Great tits though.
So lovely to see Bernard and Brett talking together. Love them❤❤❤
If there was a film about Suede the ideal actor to play Brett should be Mads Mikkelsen
It's fascinating how they even look very similar to each other. Two great artists who manage to express quite similar sentiments but through different means. The music they created together is amazing.
Suede did some great stuff after Bernard left, but imagine how good they could've been if he'd stayed...
Try listen to The Tears 👍👍❤️
@@johnogaage I have their album! I like it but it doesn't quite have the same magic they were creating before he left, understandably as it was like 10 years later. I'm just curious as to where they would've gone next after Dog Man Star, if they'd been able to resolve their differences at the time.
Nah they would have faded. What Suede achieved with Oakes and Codling has been amazing snd I’d never want to change it.
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@@MrMarketingGuy Oakes is a truly fabulous guitarist. :0)
Idk how it took me so long literally till 2022 to discover Suede and Drowner my new all time favorite 🎉🎉🎉I was a Blur fan so again don’t know how I missed them. Much love and adoration 🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂
Same
I am a fan of both too!
THANK YOU for uploading this. What an absolute joy. Ok, so fundamentally I'm sitting for an hour watching two blokes from London talking. Right there is the power of music.
The joyful memories of me being 21 years old with a full head of hair and no money. Waiting patiently outside Portsmouth Pyramid Centre in Southsea in 1993 (I'm from Manchester).
They arrived for the soundcheck, I met them, I hugged them, I watched them play the gig later (I'm on the bootleg video). I still have a fragment of Brett's black lacy top from that gig. Saw them in Liverpool and Manchester days later on the same tour. Happy memories.
Painted People throw away? What are you two on about? It's phenomenal.
Butler needs to produce the next Suede's LP, I think😉👍
This is great!
I'm very surprised to see them on the couch together talking about the good ol' days. I guess they got over whatever spat they had - which is nice.
Cheers,
"LiL'JpD."
Thanks for uploading this. I wish they had spent as long talking about Dog Man Star and hope they will one day write another album together. High Rising remains my favourite Suede track so its great to hear about that and how they both feel about it
Did you happen to listen to "The Tears" album? Its good.
My favorite bit is the piano in So Young!
It’s so comforting, so beautiful, so promising…❤️
I feel it’s the best part 💫❤️
Thank-you for uploading this, utterly fascinating. I hadn't made the connection between That Joke Isn't Funny Any More and Pantomime Horse. Hats off to Pete Paphides for getting them to reminisce in such a relaxed manner.
Brillant. I would definitely loved to see the Dog Man Star interview.
Best Suede album Best album of the decade and top 20 of all time
I know they did some interviews around 2013 when the band got back together and the records were re-issued... I'm not sure if Brett and Bernard did an interview for Dog Man Star at that time, as by my recollection, a lot of things happened during the time of making that album that they'd probably rather not remember.
Brett was off his head on acid the entire time
Thank you for posting this. Way back when, I got a used CD of Dog Man Star; sort of liked it, didn't really get it. Then on a whim I picked a used copy of Stay Together. And Suede has been a part of my life ever since.
Thanks for this. Really fascinating and so good to hear these two chat about how those songs came to be.
Thanks for this. Yes it's a bit awkward at times. But what I really felt, although it was never said, was the respect and appreciation they have for each other (especially towards the end of the interview). Would calling it gratitude for each other be too strong? It doesn't feel like it to me, but maybe that's because I feel grateful that they wrote music together that we still get to marvel at.
This is the best thing I have ever seen.
Two great musicians... without a doubt SUEDE stands out from all that gang of the 90's bands
I think theyre head and shoulders above all the other 90s bands, and I actually really love my favourite 90s bands. But Suede are just in a different league, their music is sublime
Two best albums of the nineties from the so-called big four were Different Class and Dog Man Star. Album for album, Blur and Oasis never got a look in
Big, BIG, thanx!
Esses caras são incríveis!!!
Thanks for uploading. Looking forward to the dog man star interview
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Legends
Cheers to 'em both for all the classic tunes cranked out in those few years alone - and of course the post-DMS Suede for continuing to be incredible
Autofiction genuinely stands up to their finest material from even those first few records
Not much eye contact but great to see them together nonetheless.
Kinda when driving a car.
I always wonder what Suede would have done if Mr Butler had stayed (Oh, if you stayed!)
I think Brett is pondering the same in a lot of this video.
Those fella's have more work to do together, incredible talents.
The respectful tension is palpable here. Great interview tho
I want that 355!
Don’t we all?
@@MiklosKov I have a CS ES-355TDSV, but could use another.
Absolutely love SUEDE and the b-sides that surrounded it! My personal favourites are Pantomime horse and she’s not dead, the guitar on Pantomime horse always reminds of Jimi Hendrix X
Great!
The best ❤
I can feel the tension ever so slightly
no. there's no tension between these two anymore
Seems like Brett is holding himself back, and kinda pacing himself to match Bernard.
Yes I agree. I can see why they clashed before.
@@spurv It definitely seems that way. Brett on his own over the last 10 years or so, seems very comforytable in his own skin, but he seems tense and restrained here, as if he doesn't want to say anything Bernard would react badly at. Still, at least they can sit together for over an hour. I'd have loved to see Morrissey and Marr do something like this.
There's a DMS interview just like that but I can't find it online. Can someone upload?
Why have you only got 27 subscribers??? Thats mental!
It's like a couple ex lovers cautiously reminiscing about some of the good times
"Mucussy" - how charmingly poetic. There must be a song there, Bert. 'We are the mucussy ones' - something like that.
Yes, being dehydrated can add a little gravel to your voice, I think I know what he's getting at.
# We'll be the mucussy ones -
Mucussing our mucus -
Unfettered #
Why don´t they hug!! They´re going through so many beautiful songs!
Very cool gettogether, considering their very bitter split. I gues we can call it growing up and getting over it.
They can barely look at each other in this video
@@sunny70299 Bro wtf are you even talking about? They made up decades ago and even formed a new band called Tears in the early 2000s, there’s no bad blood between them anymore.
I can't help, but think that Bernard has so much more to say because he hasn't been part of Suede all these years. Brett just lets him have his say out of respect.
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Subtitles, please!
Haha that's great. Would never have made the connection to The Shoop Shoop Song. Now I won't be able to un-hear it.
Two best albums of the nineties from the so-called big four were Different Class and Dog Man Star. Albumwise, Blur and Oasis never got a look in
what does Bernard mean by "Cathedrals of Noise"?
I googled " Suede Cathedrals of Noise " but got nothing :(
Cheers
"LiL'JpD."
My guess is that it’s his way of describing his style of guitar orchestration ala “The Wall Of Sound”
I think he’s describing Suede’s sound. Teens are full of impulses and rushes of blood to the head. Suede’s tune is like a cathedral of these noises.
cheers for the replies everybody. Very informative; even poetic sometimes!
Cheers everybody
"LiL'JpD."
'Cathedrals of noise' is a reference to journalistic descriptions that were commonly used by the British music press in particular Melody Maker and NME writers to describe shoegazing bands in the early nineties. These types of descriptions were so overused they became a cliche. I think is why the label Sonic Cathedral chose their name. They had a club night playing shoegaze music before they started the label. Is somewhat tongue in cheek.
Assumed the "drowners" was a T.S.Eliot reference.
well this feels more awkward than 9 seasons of the office
Is there a similar interview for Dog Man Star?
ruclips.net/video/wQRRc-Eh_VI/видео.html
there is but no one can find it
@@Allerster I can find many interviews but not song by song
It's on Super Deluxe 20th Anniversary DMS box set
BTW...Animal Lover is not as bad as both of these guys slag the tune...To me it's the Dark Horse of the whole album.
The unspoken tension here is so awkward
Suede's music and content were always a great escape...To nail it down, was always pointless...Just get on board and enjoy the ride...Kind of just like how life works.
i bought bernards first album but he is a bit of a diva here
Bernard has always been a difficult person but he's mellowed a lot as he's gotten older
@michaelgraham9774 Neither was easy to work with at times. Why Bernard is the one always singled out I don't know.
@@sunny70299 ou worked with em mate?
@makeittillufakeit No.
Bernard was going through a breakdown and suffering some form of psychosis during the DMS sessions - bit of a challenge to work with during that time and no one has ever let him forget it. Because it's apparently totally ok to keep throwing someones mental health crisis back in their face 30 years later.
Brett - off his face on smack and crack through most of the mid to late 90s - not very nice to be around or work with as testified by people who *were* there including Brett himself. But people just ignore that because Bernard is apparently an easier person to dislike.
The chemistry between them is nauseous.
Agree, very odd
Nice to se these two persons together in the same room....but Brett looks completely embarrassed knowing that he sacked this genius called Bernard Butler
He actually didn't sack him.
The body language.. Bernard still annoyed about being badly treated you can tell
I don't think it's annoyance at all. I think it's hurt. He and Brett were close friends and Bernard had supported Brett when he fell apart after he broke up with Justine, in his book Brett says Bernard was kind and patient and helped him glue his fractured world back together. So I think Bernard would be justified in feeling hurt that when his world fractured after his dad died while they were on tour, Brett didn't want to know. Brett had his reasons for being what he called an "emotional coward" which is that Bernards dads death stired up memories of his mums death and he didn't want to face them so instead he shut Bernard out and stopped talking to him. He has expressed regret for letting Bernard down. But he also said they never talked any of this through, so this interview was possibly the first time they discussed any of these issues. Tough to do it on camera and it shows in their body language.
I feel for them both.
@@sunny70299 I think Bernard has far more to feel hurt about though, on balance. Don't you agree?
@@pcalf101 I agree he does.
If he was still annoyed he wouldn't have worked with Brett in The Tears. Plus, in several interviews in recent years, he's taken on much of the blame for his departure from the band. Both him and Brett admitted they handled it badly. I think all of the band were hurt by Bernard's behaviour. Bernard going behind their back to give an interview without their knowledge to Q Magazine, titled "Brett drives me insane", where he basically spent all his time publicly slagging Brett off, obviously caused massive damage and friction. Brett was bady hurt. Demanding Ed be sacked as producer again caused huge friction. Having a disagreement with Simon about drums on New Generation and Bernard storming at him "just do your job" burned any remaining bridges with him. You can't be a dictator in a democracy, however important you are. Ironically, Ed stated he was the last person to fall out with Bernard, even though Bernard was going around trying to get him fired. It was like Bernard was going through the entire band, one by one, and burning bridges with them all.
I think it's rude that Bernard often plays when Brett is speaking.
No. That’s who they woke together. Bernard was always matching Brett’s words with music.
Clunky Tonk Women. :0)
Realising when two people don't like each other. Wow.
Stop projecting, they are friends. Or certainly were friends when this was recorded.
@@sunny70299 I don't think you understand what "projecting" means.
@emospider-man6498 Oh I do and you are providing a fine case study.
You have a preconceived idea of what Brett and Bernards relationship was and are projecting that onto this footage. When in fact, in realty at this time Brett and Bernard were good friends and were socialing regularly, even attending football matches together.
If their body language is awkward at times it is most likely because this was the first time they had sat down and talked about any of this in detail and they were doing it on camera.
English version of John Frusciante 🤣👍
Bernard really really hates Brett.
You think?
He doesn't at all.
They were literally in a band together after Suede
No things just got really fucked up during the making of dog man star. Brett was on heroin. Butler wanted a total different direction and producing the album became an ordeal.
@@roboliver9980Bernard called Anderson a non musician who was impossible to work with!
Any chance of seeing the Dog Man Star interview?
Hope somebody uploads it soon
I love every song on this album except The Drowners. Swap that with To The Birds and it is flawless. It absolutely blew my mind when I heard it first, given to me by my first real girlfriend. She refused to listen to Dog Man Star because Bernard had left. I told her he was on the album, but she wasn't the brightest lamp on the street. Great tits though.